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Fletcher, Carter MRIs Reveal Sprains

From Jason La Canfora:

The Redskins have just released the official word on MRI results for London Fletcher and Andre Carter.

According to Coach Jim Zorn, Fletcher has a contusion/sprain of his lower foot. Carter has a sprain of the plantar fascia. Zorn said it is unlikely that either will practice Wednesday. They'll be evaluated daily and will be day-to-day.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 24, 2008; 6:33 PM ET
 
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And this means?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 24, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

So how long will they be out? at all?

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Also, is there a reason we have Springs playing safety when Horton and Landry are healthy. He's are best (most physical) cover corner, he should be locking up on Plexico this Sunday.

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I lost and you could win, depends on Colston tonight. You're up 8 points.

Told you it could be a tricky week for me. I got nailed for using the Bronco defense/ST. Seriously, they held down ATL on the road last week -- then got lit up this week -- by the Raiders, who hadn't gotten an offensive TD in weeks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- If Colston gets about 285 yards and seven TDs tonight, I'll have FutureMark right where I want him.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 24, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It means they'll be treated and evaluated daily. I don't think anyone will know whether they can play until later in the week.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 24, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If Colston gets 9 FF points (a TD and 30 yards or 90 yards w/o a TD), then its me, Nate and Moo all tied at 8-4, with 1 week left

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Told you it could be a tricky week for me. I got nailed for using the Bronco defense/ST. Seriously, they held down ATL on the road last week -- then got lit up this week -- by the Raiders, who hadn't gotten an offensive TD in weeks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:42 PM

I hope you learned your lesson about the Broncos DST. Avoid them like the plague. It's them and the Saints DST that everyone loves to have a matchup against. And at least you have the threat of a ST TD from the Saints...

As for Fletch and Carter--they'll play. Home game against the Giants and Sean Taylor being honored...if those guys have a pulse they're playing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S TAKE

1) Some are talking about this team as if it were 4-7 rather than 7-4. If you beleive in what Madden says, you are what your record says you are...this is an above average, but not a dominant team. I'll take it.

2) Gibbs couldn't dial up points, Zorn can't dial up points. I think this is a personnel issue. We will NOT contend for a Super Bowl with Santana Moss, Randle-El and James Thrash. It ain't gonna happen.

3) From what I see, Zorn may not have anticipated what a special back Portis is and sees him as the winning ticket. Couple that with a weak pass blocking O-line and you have the Midwest Coast offense.

4) If they don't make the playoffs, they should blow up the offensive side of the ball. They should start both rookies, and Moss, relegate Thrash to the waiver wire or special teams and make Randle-El your fourth receiver.

5) This Giants game coould swing their season wither way.

6) This is a very good, underrated secondary.

7) I love Chris Cooley, but I am not afraid to say that he has dropped some critical 3rd down conversions.

HAVE AT IT RI!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 24, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | November 24, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

brownwood -- was too clever for my own good. took a look and it turns out that the teams that played the Raiders in FF would be a top 5 scoring team for FF points. And the past few weeks, they'd been even worse, while Denver had a strong effort last week.

So I sat my highly rated Packer defense going in New Orleans vs Brees.

WRONG!!!

though what ticks me off even more ... the other guys defense got about 15 more FF points then I did ... but both teams gave up exactly 31 points in the game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Nothing needs to be blown up.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The bigger problem on offense is the line, made worse by not having 3 good WRs. I'm thinking we should be doing a lot of 2 WRs and very few 3 or more WR sets. Lots of Sellers in the backfield. Its better for pass protection and running. One we need and the other is our heart and soul.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

My take on the O. Jansen needs to be pulled. Kelly, Moss, and ARE need to be the starters.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am about to throw Todd under the bus. LMAO! Zorn is funny. I suggest everyone visit Skins.com and watch Coach Z interview.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

brownwood -- was too clever for my own good. took a look and it turns out that the teams that played the Raiders in FF would be a top 5 scoring team for FF points. And the past few weeks, they'd been even worse, while Denver had a strong effort last week.

So I sat my highly rated Packer defense going in New Orleans vs Brees.

WRONG!!!

though what ticks me off even more ... the other guys defense got about 15 more FF points then I did ... but both teams gave up exactly 31 points in the game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:59 PM

Don't feel bad. I had Drew Brees on bye and I loaded up on Miami Dolphins (Pennington, Ginn, and Fasano) because they were playing the Denver DST. I got dusted because they just let Ronnie Brown run all over them and those three guys I signed got me nothing. Oh, and I had the Pats DST at the beginning of the year. They rang me up a whopping 0 points in the first Dolphins game while the Eagles D ripped thru Pittsburgh for a cool 31 points all wasting away on my bench. Luckily Boldin bailed me out again and I won anyway. Fantasy football is a cruel game!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I hear you jm.

The only trouble is Jansen helps the running game more than Heyer. Heyer helps the passing game more than Jansen.

What to do?

With Kelly in, the true west coast O, might get traction, in that case you need Heyer.

If you do that, where does that leave CP, our number one offensive weapon?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I have deep interest in tonight's game since my opponent has the Packers D and I have Brees and Colston. Luckily I have a 9 point lead already...let the games begin!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else find the word "tweener" to be kinda dirty?

Posted by: alex35332
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heh heh. ya, kinda like nougat.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If you do that, where does that leave CP, our number one offensive weapon?

Posted by: _Stumped_

I think it would mean he gets even more yards. Teams would have to respect the pass and not load up the box on CP.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If you do that, where does that leave CP, our number one offensive weapon?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 7:09 PM

Right where he is...don't forget, he used to play in the WCO in Denver.

And I'm not so sure I'll be joining in the chorus to bench Jansen. What you lose in the run game vs. what you get in pass pro...just not worth it. If we're all so worried about Jansen, keep in a TE to help block or have #45 put guys on their backs. This team has to run to win. Period. If Zorn tries to get all cute with the WCO now, you can forget about the playoffs. With Jansen in, you win. With Heyer you don't. Doesn't get any easier than that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said some really postive things about Kelly. Said he called a bad play for Kelly on that end zone pass. That right there is one of the things I respect the most about Zorn. He is not afraid to say when he makes a mistake.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The Skins finally misses Philip Daniels, their best run defending DE.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 24, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

oh man, I'm totally blanking on the DT's name, had a latin american background and a bad-@ss tatoo on a bicep about the size of my thigh, played in Gibbs 2.0...He had the wicked plantar fascitis that made him week-to-week for about the middle third of a season until it tore all the way through, then he was good to go.

Both of these types of injuries depend on the individual pain tolerance of the player and the potential for making things worse if the player continues to play. Based on the relatively limited info I'd be more worried about Fletch, depending on the severity of the ligament tear and the location.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

someone help me out with a name, this is gonna bug me until I think of it on the drive in tomorrow...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

You're talking about Joe Salave'a. Definitely Samoan, not Latin.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

You was right 4th. Zorn straight jam JLC up on that $8 mil question.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of Heyer back in, IMO protecting JC and Kelly are the key to our push, we gotta open it up cause Portis isn't gonna make it down the stretch at 30 carries a game, there's just no way.....he's way to banged up and Seattle knocked him out of the game several times and they're the 29th ranked defense in the league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Balls. Thanks brownwood, he was a beast for a bit.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I miss Big Joe. It just doesn't feel like you're a contender if you don't have a Samoan guy on your roster...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

true, true. draft? I don't care where but either line would be good.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Obvious comment:
Now the Skins realize Philip Daniels' value, esp. the last 2 weeks.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 24, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Is it time to fight about the draft already?

My, the week does fly.

The O-Line does need help, but is it through the draft, trades, or FA?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Plantar fascitis is no joke and often leads to heel spurs which are incredibly painful(i have one on each foot and have stopped running).

Make no mistake, we will not win if we can't run the ball and control time of possession. Now whether we run to set up the pass or vice-versa, it's not going to matter if the o-line doesn't get their act together. I'd really like to see more roll-outs to help the passing game. Maybe some bootlegs with several options medium and deep. And finally, Betts has to be more involved. He's a solid back-up and needs to have some carries. If CP goes down, he is the man.

By the way, I was a huge fan of Larry Brown. He was my idol growing up and we all tried to emulate his running style. He would rarely go down after the initial hit. CP is very much like him. He's turning into one of the all-time greats!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins do have 2 promising young WR's. It was great to see kelly finally get some action. I was AT the game 15 rows behind the 'Skins bench. Kelly is abig body WR who could really do some damage over the middle. Our missing ingredient might already be on the team!

Posted by: simrock1 | November 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Cosomfla, I remember Larry Brown, too.

My impression of the George Allen days (when I was a youngster...honest!) was that George ran Larry into the ground. His career ended sooner than it should have.

Also, G.A. was big on veteran players - no mistakes. His offensive line was full of older guys who weren't that strong. It showed in the playoffs. We finally made it to the Super Bowl, but we had no chance against the Dolphins.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I still wonder if one of the limiting factors for switching Heyer in at RT is that he has to cover for Samuels at LT during practice all week... also, if Samuels' health is a week-to-week concern, doesn't having Heyer get as many reps as possible work out better than throwing Fabini in there?

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins do have 2 promising young WR's. It was great to see kelly finally get some action. I was AT the game 15 rows behind the 'Skins bench. Kelly is abig body WR who could really do some damage over the middle. Our missing ingredient might already be on the team!
Posted by: simrock1

This is Coach Zorn words not mine about Kelly and his play. (once again visit Skins.com and hear it for yourself) Kelly had intimidated CB. You could see them going after him after the play. Kelly would just look down on them like what are you doing. He is really big and it good to see him looking down on them.
I notice how that was left out of today's along with other stuff. But I told CL I would let it go.
JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

No doubt, Allen killed him. And LB was one of those guys who never complained, just ran as hard as he could and took ridiculous beatings. I think Charlie Harraway was the blocking fullback, #31. That F' n Dolphins Superbowl killed me. I've never forgiven them. Somehow it seems right that we beat them with Riggo(who's a real Skins basher as an announcer) in our next Superbowl...poetic justice I suppose.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Plantar fascitis is no joke and often leads to heel spurs which are incredibly painful(i have one on each foot and have stopped running).
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True. However, in most cases a tight soleus and/or gastrocnemius muscle (resulting in restricted Achilles tendon ROM) is the genesis of both plantar fascitis and bone spurs of the calcaneous, I'd recommend checking out this link and finding a therapist: www.stretchingusa.com No self interest here, I'm not affiliated with this site...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

...and no periods after links ;-)

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, G.A. was big on veteran players - no mistakes. His offensive line was full of older guys who weren't that strong.


That would be the Over-the-Hill Gang!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Sic, I'd respond to your take, but the numbering isn't RI-compatible. Needs to be:
1.
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Π.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Plantar fascitis is no joke and often leads to heel spurs which are incredibly painful(i have one on each foot and have stopped running).
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True. However, in most cases a tight soleus and/or gastrocnemius muscle (resulting in restricted Achilles tendon ROM) is the genesis of both plantar fascitis and bone spurs of the calcaneous, I'd recommend checking out this link and finding a therapist: www.stretchingusa.com No self interest here, I'm not affiliated with this site...


Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse


Thanks Romo,

I crack up every time I read your name!

Actually, I am a therapist. Have had colleagues and MD's helping out. The cortisone injection is one of the most unpleasant experiences one can imagine...ever see Marathon Man??

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Having always watched the skins Larry Brown (one of the greatest RB of all time) was not used up too early it was just his style that finally wore him down! Much like CP, who is young for the amount time he has already spent in the league, but if he is able to run after he is 28 I will be surprised. These guys "LEAVE IT ALL ON THE FIELD". That is just how hard they run. CP talked about how beat up he was after the game, check the other locker room, I'll bet they know who they played!

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The cortisone injection is one of the most unpleasant experiences one can imagine
Posted by: cosomfla

I have to disagree. Getting your knee drain is much worse.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

cosomfla

If you're referring to the drilling of the teeth, that about sums up the injection LOL! "Is it safe?!!!"

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear deon on the NFL game review show on the NFL network - he is hawking Sellers for the pro-bowl fullback? Sellers is one of the badest blockers in the league.

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to disagree. Having the Ortho drill into your bones to predrill the screw holes for your new ACL is much worse.
Not so much painful [dude, thanks for the drugs, man], but the vibration does get to you after a while.
Cool being able to watch it on TV, tho.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree. Getting your knee drain is much worse.

JM220
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I'm with you on that. A shoulder arthrogram is no walk in the park either, as I could attest. cosomfla, what do you think about these foot injuries? No Lisfranc, it seems, thank God. Amputation used to be the tx of choice back in the day...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

cosomfla

If you're referring to the drilling of the teeth, that about sums up the injection LOL! "Is it safe?!!!"

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

You got it, Romo! Probably not as painful as Dustin Hoffman experienced, but no walk in the park either. A classic, with Sir Olivier!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

This may be a silly question and I'm sure that people will let me know, but why don't we run the wildcat or more three and four wide sets with sellers in the backfield? He would be like an additional Olineman back there and has proven he can catch outlets or even run a few times a game so it wouldn't be like an automatic symbol that the offense is throwing. I mean if we're gonna do things like fake pitches with QB off tackle runs with JC then we can try some other stuff too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The cortisone injection is one of the most unpleasant experiences one can imagine
Posted by: cosomfla

I have to disagree. Getting your knee drain is much worse.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

JM220,

I've had both, and for me the shot in the heel was far worse. Digging around in the heel it seemed like it would never stop. Worse yet, it only helped for about 6 mos.

My latest injection, left a-c joint is wearing off after 4 mos. Oh well, just have to suck it up and move on.

Never had any bone drilling...obviously can't be good.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse


Having always watched the skins Larry Brown (one of the greatest RB of all time) was not used up too early it was just his style that finally wore him down! Much like CP, who is young for the amount time he has already spent in the league, but if he is able to run after he is 28 I will be surprised. These guys "LEAVE IT ALL ON THE FIELD". That is just how hard they run. CP talked about how beat up he was after the game, check the other locker room, I'll bet they know who they played!

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 8:02 PM
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Certainly Larry Brown's career was prolonged (7 whole years!) by the passing offense of Billy "Tight Spirals" Kilmer.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Also, G.A. was big on veteran players - no mistakes. His offensive line was full of older guys who weren't that strong. It showed in the playoffs. We finally made it to the Super Bowl, but we had no chance against the Dolphins."

First, the O-line really wasn't that old. The Defense was in places. Rosey Taylor, Petitbone, Pardee ... and at the DE positions. Tackles were young. MO Pottios at MLB pretty old.

The O-line was built for pass blocking ... they were athletic not big. Pass blocking for SJ. Makes Brown even more fantastic dontcha think?

Final score was 14-7, the seven coming on a Mike Bass interception of the Armenian Tie maker turned place kicker's pass. SJ was banished to the booth by GA. He was healthy. So, what happens if the dolphins face SJ instead of Billy the K? At this point the great Larry Brown was completely beaten down. Not much left ... so the passing game had to come out and it did not. But the defense did their job.

So can history repeat itself? Looking at Portis, the current state of the offense? The strength of the defense. Perhaps ...

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I dont know whether anyone has brought this up recently but I have been pondering the Portis for Champ trade about 4 years ago. At first blush I thought the Redskins gave up too much by including the 2nd round pick.

Now, after 4 seasons of stellar play from Portis, I think it was an outstanding acquisition by Gibbs. He is the toughest, most talented back I have witnessed in a long time. He doesnt have the size of the beloved Riggins, but he is just as tough and a real warrior.

Portis has won more games for the Redskins than Champ could have. He has had a tremondous impact on this team. I dont think he gets enough credit for such an unique talent he is. If he stays healthy he will have all the Redskins rushing records.

I would like to know if the other webskinners feel as I do.

Posted by: gallrick | November 24, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

gallrick, I'm with you

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah CP does seem to have that effect. And he seems to get better, tougher with time. Maybe the lingering effects of last year with Sean Taylor and all?

So, still think the idea of a bigger, but just as nasty, very fast punishing HB converted to a wide out? If they had Charley Taylor or Monk right now? Along with CP and Sellers. The other team would definitely know they had been in battle ... and there wouldn't be any seats left for the poor tourists rooting for the other side. :)

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Riggins? Tough as Portis? We're comparing him to the great Larry Brown. Running behind a small offensive line but with a really hard core fullback. Riggins was good but not as tough as these two street fighters.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I think you may see Kelly starting over Randle El if he blocks and shows any kind of toughness going for balls over the middle. El becomes a 3rd slot receiver ... a better fit. Have to see how it all ends up.

Again, watch Hall. That's like drafting a great 1st round shutdown corner. Put Springs at Safety and you have 3 shutdown 1st round corners out there. With Landry ... Smoot is the nickle along with Horton. Since he arrived the INTS have suddenly started to come again ... they will throw at Springs before they will go to Hall.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

i'm done for the season...i have no players left...i'm going to leave the roster as is for the rest of the year.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Plantar fascitis is no joke and often leads to heel spurs which are incredibly painful(i have one on each foot and have stopped running)."

Eventually it heals. But it takes a long, long time. Heels heal? LOL

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

By the way Larry Brown was probably 5 foot 9 and a half. An extremely punishing runner. Not someone you would want to tackle all Sunday long.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Riggins seemed to be chaffing at CP's toughness on the DS980 earlier, sour grapes? BTW, I've owned a 44 jersey since I was 5.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

To get to the playoffs the Redskins really have 2 games they must win. Against the Eagles and Giants. That's 10. Throw in a Cincinnati or a 49'ers and you get 11. Balmer doesn't matter. Just beat the Giants and Eagles and they are in like Flynn. Not easy ...

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Ooops my bad. 9 games + 1 make 10. I think that will be enough.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"Riggins seemed to be chaffing at CP's toughness on the DS980 earlier, sour grapes? BTW, I've owned a 44 jersey since I was 5."

Riggo knows he doesn't come close. Let's ask Larry Brown what he thinks not Riggo.

Put it this way. The great Gale Sayers was once asked to evaluate RB's. The comparison: OJ in his prime with Larry Brown. He chose Brown without even blinking once.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

To get to the playoffs the Redskins really have 2 games they must win. Against the Eagles and Giants. That's 10. Throw in a Cincinnati or a 49'ers and you get 11. Balmer doesn't matter. Just beat the Giants and Eagles and they are in like Flynn. Not easy ...

Posted by: periculum
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haven't done the math or analyzed the NFC South schedule, but don't think 9-7 is gonna cut it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Riggins was good but not as tough as these two street fighters.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:38 PM
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Tell it to Don McNeal.

http://phinphanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/si.jpg

(One of my favorite Super Bowl photos of all time.)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Jurgenson's O-line and offense were built by Vince Lombardi. Not GA and the over-the-hill Ramskins. Allen was smart enough not to wreck a good thing ... unlike Marty or Vinnie. The only real additions were Kilmer and Roy Jefferson at wide out. Big hole there with the retirement of former RUNNING BACK turned receiver Bobby Mitchell.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Show me where Riggins kept running even with 4 guys bigger draped all over him ... and then when Brown was reasonably injury free there were times when he would break those into long gains. He was running over a smallish safety.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Riggins was running over a smallish safety.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

And Riggins had the biggest offensive line (at the time ) blocking for him. Include Donny Warren at tight end. Brown had a small pass catching tight end named Jerry Smith blocking for him.

Its apples and oranges. Riggo was fortunate he was blessed with that line and the Joe Washington got injured.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Frost just showed why he's not our punter anymore.

Does Aaron Rogers remind anyone else of Ryan from The Office?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 24, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Jurgenson's O-line and offense were built by Vince Lombardi. Not GA and the over-the-hill Ramskins. Allen was smart enough not to wreck a good thing ...

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 8:59 PM
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And they stayed forever young...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

What is the dumbest cliche among play-by-play guys? My choice, after a bad pass, is "He wishes he could have that one back."

God, I wish I could have my misspent youth back. And the rest of my life, too, while I'm at it. Why waste a wish on a stupid incomplete pass?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Larry Brown's stellar portion of his career ended because of use and the incredibly nasty carpet in philly. Just ate his knee up. No question Brown was as tough as they come.

Sonny wasn't healthy for the Super Bowl, he was still recovering from the achilles rupture.

As for Roy Jefferson, good wideout opposite Charley Taylor. Anyone else remember Jefferson in those commercials "I can't play football all my life ..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, how bout, "he's a DC native...he's still pissed at the skins FO..."

could do without that.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

oh, and he's a Dc native.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

T_E, wasn't a cliche, but I do recall Howard Cosell in the World Series, endlessly praising a well thrown pitch by a second tier pitcher (Marty Patten, I think). After Cosell stopped raving, Jim Palmer said "Gee, I wish I could pitch like that"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

haven't done the math or analyzed the NFC South schedule, but don't think 9-7 is gonna cut it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

there is no way 9-7 gets us in, it will probably take 11.....Tampa and Carolina already have 8 wins, and Atlanta has 7 and a very very easy schedule, plus the Cowboys are right there too, at the minimum we have to go 3-2 but more likely we have to go 4-1 to get there.

Atlanta has 3 very winable games, San Diego, Saints, and Rams and also play Tampa and Minny. Carolina has the toughest schedule with the Gints, Green Bay, Tampa, Denver, and the Saints. Tampa gets, the Saints, Panthers, Atlanta, San Diego and the Raiders. The Cowboys get Seattle, the Ravens, the Steelers, the Giants, and the Eagles. To be safe we got to get to 11 to win a tie breaker we have to get to 10 and even then we'll be lucky, there is a very good chance that the South sends three.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

is Marques Colston even playing?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

cosomfla- was cooking chicken breast and it gave me twitch response, should I eat it?!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

There are going to be a lot of coaches fired at the end of the year. Does anyone think that Gregg Williams will get an interview? He's got Jacksonville's defense at #14 in the league. That's not good. I'm thinking that Jack Del Rio is one of the coaches who's going to get replaced.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

zjfr ... thanks for the update. If ATL beats all the .500 teams-ish teams (and below) the rest of the way, they get to 11 wins and are in.

You have to figure one of the 8-3 teams is going to get to 11 wins. They play each other and that winner only needs to go 2-2 in the other games to get to 11 wins.

But unless all 3 win 11 games, and I don't see that as likely since they play a number of games against each other, that means there will be a slot for a 10 win team. We have a good shot at that. SF and Cincy look like W's -- and the iggles are imploding.

dal isn't going to win 11.

We're very much in the thick of this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Depends on whether they can get him to drop the last G.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta has 3 very winable games, San Diego, Saints, and Rams and also play Tampa and Minny.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 9:32 PM |

chargers and saints are both really talented and can put a good game together at any time and tampa and minnesota could easily give atlanta a loss. looking at the list of who each of the 7-4 teams play the skins might have the easiest schedule of them all.

Posted by: amsaul | November 24, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

It will be terrible if Fletcher can't go

Posted by: rachel216 | November 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Man, Torrence has really supercharged the Saints D.

*cough*

Posted by: freakzilla | November 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Torrence is preparing to take over at QB in the 2nd half.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Portis just gave us a buck fifty with a grade 2 sprain.

If Fletcher can't go, I'll be forced to question his manhood.

(Don't tell him I said that...)

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Torrence has his team winning.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Del Rio will not be fired, TE.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh when the Saints
Go marching in...

P.S. Torrence told 'em to go for it on 4th and 1.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Brees is so good....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Brie-eaters are kicking cheese head behind.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Fear not the falcons. They are just birds like the cardinals, eagles and seahawks. They will lose on the road to Norv and then to Brees Saints. There is no way they win 11 games.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 24, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

why are the Saints having Lance Moore throw a pass? they couldn't stop Brees.

But dang it ... Colston needs to get 9 FF points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

uhhh zeke i think you got your 9! wow nate got done again on monday night...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Brees is so very good....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess all in needed to do was ask

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

telepathy Zeke, telepathy!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

There's your points.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

hey there is your Colston....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

dealer, you grabbed Shanahan as HC for the week, did you use him?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

colston almost pulled desean jackson...wow what an idiot

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

GB falling in playoff race is nice....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

zeke, unfortunately yes. my brother-in-law who's a big raiders fan would love to hear this story ala 4th...

this week i got beat 105 to 24.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

guess I'll be asking for Malcolm Kelly to get FF points next.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Saints looking good and ready to help the Skins in the playoff run.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Told ya, Zeke. Congrats, dude.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 24, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I used the Bronco defense -- minus 3 points. I'd say great minds think alike, but it'd be hard to call them great minds at this point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

i wanted nola to lose. nfc north teams suck. there's no way any of them are going to win 10 games. nola however can get on a 6-0 run...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- its a 3 way tie at this point. Next week, I got Houston John -- who went for 137 points this week!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

no way dealer saints in huge hole, play tougher teams, have no defense and you always root for teams we hokd head 2 head tie breakers against...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

any given sunday i guess.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

sorry for tard typing, one armed sleeping infant excuse...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

no way you fire Del Rio

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | November 24, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

ummmmmmmm cedric ellis is a rookie and he's a d lineman....:(((((((((( vinyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

in what world is that an illegal hit???

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

in that case sorry cL didn't mean to yell

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Goodell's World.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Moo has 4th, you got Money Makers, not sure if he is still active.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

silent screams r fine....i was thinking the same thing about ellis

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

sorry for tard typing, one armed sleeping infant excuse...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:13 PM
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Your Kung Fu is strong, chRIsLarry.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Ellis was #7 overall. What did you want Vinnie to do about him?

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

don't mean to be a smart alec or anything but greenbay o looks a lot like skins o. makes sense if you think about it...holmgren tree thingie

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

daggar, now how the frigiddy frack did that get a 7th overall pick?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

daggar, wave a magic wand of course

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

keep the magic wand tucked away; remember, SJK!

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

so I went with the Bronco defense, which lost me 3 points, over the Packer defense which woulda lost me 5 points (so far). Of course, no defense would been better than either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

After this game the nfc south will be 21-2 at home; 9-13 on the road.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 24, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

okay so i was looking at last year's draft...very interesting analysis...basically devin thomas is kinda not too smart and kelly will be the next chad johnson...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker#dt-tab-set-1:dt-by-round

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

great stat ben.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

wow tony k and jaws at eachothers throat tonight....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Portis: "I am NOT the man with whom one should EFF!"

I digress...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 24, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"Leigh Torrence made the tackle for the Saints"
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 24, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Considering the home records of the nfc south teams and the schedule, I predict the outcome like this:

Bucs 11-5
Panthers 10-6
Saints 10-6 beating chicago on the road
Falcons 10-6 beating the vikings on the road

Still the Redskin's would win the wild card tie-breakers if they lost to the Giants and Ravens but beat the Bengals, Eagles, and 49ers.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 24, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

they named a university after Leigh

Posted by: dealer1 | November 25, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

can any of the 6-5 teams get to 10 wins?

Chi: Vikes, Jags, Saints, Packers, Texans
GB: Panthers, Texans, Jags, Bears, Lions
Minn: Bears, Lions, Cards, Falcons, Giants

Answer: Yes, but if a team from the North does win 10, it'll only be 1 team. They will not play in the wild card race.

Saints: Bucs, Falcons, Bears, Lions, Panthers
4 games vs playoff contenders is a very tall order, even for Drew Brees. In order to get to 10 wins, they would need to win at least 2 of 3 vs the other NFC South teams.

The real challenge for the NFC South is that there are 5 games left where they play each other (only Carolina and ATL don't play each other). That is 5 wins and 5 losses -- baked in. Meaning it is unlikely for 3 teams win 11 games. But also unlikely that 3 teams won't win 10 at least 10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe we're talking about the Falcons getting to 10 wins. If you would have told me that at the beginning of the year I would have bet my life against it...

Posted by: hender_22 | November 25, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

I like the idea of Heyer back in, IMO protecting JC and Kelly are the key to our push...

Posted by: zjfr2

Oh for crying out loud. Kelly has caught three freaking passes in the NFL.

Not saying the duee will be not be a stud some day, but "the key to our push?"

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

+++wow tony k and jaws at eachothers throat tonight....

Posted by: chrislarry ++++


Worst Monday Night Booth evar!!!!

Total lack of chemistry. Blow it up. Bring back Patrick and Theismann

Kornheiser is insufferable. I don't blame Jaws for not wanting to play along with his insipid comments, Tonite he was going off about Roges adn Favre and the otehr quarterback and Jaws just said words to the effect, "that's the stupidest statement I've ever heard."

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Which proves he's never read RI.

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

I just keep thinking how great it will feel if we beat the Jints Sunday... if we win this one, that would give us such momentum the rest of the way... AND establish us as a team to be reckoned with in the postseason... this is a statement game situation...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention that I hate having a less-than-winning record at home, and we have to beat the Iggles and Jints to finish 5-3 at home this year...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

... Captain Obvious, continued ...

It's going to be tough going to rest of the way, we might as well win this one and take that big step toward our goal of the playoffs...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I want a crack at one of those pretenders from the lesser divisions that first weekend in January... Cardinals, Bears, whoever... bring it on...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Not getting ahead of myself, of course... ahem... ellipsis... maps...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I want a crack at one of those pretenders from the lesser divisions that first weekend in January... Cardinals, Bears, whoever... bring it on...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I rather face the Bears than the Cards again

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 25, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

How about Pittsburgh again? IF you're gonna fantasize, fantasize big!

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

No doubt that the NFC North winner will be the weakest of the four, but with Hall in the secondary and Springs and the Predator healthier, and maybe a bit of this newfound pass rush gizmo Blache, I'm not afraid of the Cardinals... historically pathetic franchise mopping up in an historically bad division this season... they have one "quality win" over the Cowboys, have lost to every other good team they've faced...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

cloadie, if you're asking me whether I'd like a rematch against the Steelers in, say, early February 2009, I'd say yes, yes I would like that a lot.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

And yeah, I'm just vamping up here until we get a new post or some real conversation fodder... pay no mind... the ramblings of a deranged fan here... move along... move along...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Hay nate nice pictures of the game on facebook. But wheres your lanyard?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 25, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

There's no place to move along to, which is rather your point, I suppose.

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Hamsters in need of kibble, and like such as...Stat!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 25, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey one of the chats today is with Alic Baldwin.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 25, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I like how folks have forgotten what this team does...if we beat the Giants on Sunday there's about a 99% chance we lose to the Bengals on the road. This team frustrates me to no end with that damn need for adversity to succeed!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 25, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Until we get another post I have a question. What is the best movie ever made?

God Father part 2

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 25, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

lanyards > strains > sprains > hemmies

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

We have another post.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 25, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
define made. most film majors will tell you that Citizen Kane is the answer (AFI) for example, but if you examen their list you quickly learn that AFI has an over-dedication to the first golden age of Hollywood.

I personally think that the 2nd golden age of Hollywood, the 60's and 70's was far superior overall thanks to technological advances and understanding of artistic cinematography.

Bye the way I think we may have had a 3rd gold age that recently is coming to a close, the 3rd age being the age of digital filmmaking and using computers to improve special effects.

If I were to list my top 5 films of all time.

1. Easy Rider
2. Apocalypse Now
3. The Good the Bad and the Ugly
4. Lord of the Rings (I count it all as 1 film)
5. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)

Posted by: alex35332 | November 25, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

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