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Fletcher Plays after Death of His Father

From Les Carpenter

London Fletcher missed two practices last week to attend the funeral of his father, London Baker, who died Monday.

When Fletcher left the team Thursday afternoon and did not return Friday, the team said only that his absence was for personal reasons.

Fletcher was close to his father, so close three years ago he honored him by asking to be called "London Fletcher Baker" and played the season with "Fletcher Baker" on the back of his jersey.

London Baker had been in poor health lately and "his heart just gave out," Fletcher said.

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out thoughts go out to the family

Posted by: stevida | September 21, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

My condolences to London, and the entire Baker family.

reposting this from the tail end of the last thread:

>>any comments on Heyer's unecessary roughness call? Firmly believe he was sending a message to the Card's D to stop trying to kill CP - both two plays prior, CP had his neck about snapped off, last by the guy Stephon laid out. Nasty attitude and protecting team mates... Go ahead, fellow Terp, glad we didn't need the points.

Exactly. Those Card MFers were cheap shotting CP in the pile with WWE style elbows and knees after every play. CP got in one guys face, I think on the play just previous to the TD nullifying PF on Heyer. I like how SH drilled the guy BEFORE the whistle, while the play was still live, and JC rolling right on a busted type play. SH drills the guy who had his head up his ass and was not paying attention. PROPS to SH. Do it again, every time. Its Professional Football, not middle school soccer. (Or any soccer, those guys flop like fish in the boat. But I digress)

Now for the Refs: They SUCKED. D. Thomas gets a pass interference that was dubious; Santana got mugged on one ball with no call; and Carlos gets a flag for Nothing...and you know if the ultimate 'Girl homer Moooooose and his fat assed side boy clown Siraguuuuuuusa agreed, that it had to be a lame call.

Hang in there Brooks, you will be alright. Don't let the haters get you down. haters: This guy could be a near Pro Bowl punter (ie, Top five in the league) for the next 10-15 years. Give the kid a chance to grow past his Professional adolescence.

At the end of the day, good win for the Team, and it was a TEAM win.

Hail.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 7:30 PM

Posted by: SkinsfaininKaneohe | September 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

second

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear of London's Father's death.
If you had a good relationship w/ your father, that would be very tough, no question.

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Condolences to London Fletcher and to King Card, both for their respective losses.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

RIP London Sr.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone.
Today Seattle killed the Rams 37 13.

guess who was the leading receiver today for Seattle?

You guessed it.
a Mr. Billy McMullen.
Billy had 4 receptions for 76 yards including a long reception of 34 yards.

I am wrong on many things no doubt.
But on this one, I posted on RI that we should keep Billy and let Thrash go because Thrash has had his several years, and he is not going to get any better.

Hey, I am glad JC is getting it turned around and we are 2 and 1, so , I'll take that over Billy McMullen.

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | September 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Refs sucked. Calls went both ways. They could have called PI on that play that hit Torrence in the helmet. A win is a win and we'll take it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Nothing beats a Skins Win. A Dallas loss comes close. But almost as good was the Patriots getting their butt kicked at home! Sweet!

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 21, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

#11 showed some flashes. Like to see him and hpefully Kelly in the long term over McMullen or Thrash. And hopefully soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

JC hit seven different pass catchers today, but no where do you see Thrash. How did he end up being #3?


S. Moss 7 75 1 20
C. Cooley 7 72 0 26
A. Randle El 3 23 0 15
C. Portis 2 19 0 10
D. Thomas 1 7 0 7
M. Sellers 1 4 0 4
T. Yoder 2 4 1 2

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Good win, but lets keep things in perspective. We've beat the Saints and the Cardinals at home.

Great games to come away with a win while the offense and the coach get their bearings, but we have miles to go before we can compete with the best teams.

Offense

Good:
-Strong finish.
-Aggressive playcalling.
-Devin Thomas showing flashes.
-Rogers got one!! Finally

The Bad:
-Horton comes in, Carlos gets his INT. This is bad because Doughty is still the starter.
-Run D and Run O were less then stellar

The Ugly:
-2 Cards scoring drives were extended by penalties.
-Warner walked away from the game
-Offense dissapeared again for a long stretch

Definitly showing flashes of something special, but both sides of the ball need to ratchet up their consistency and discipline, because right now we have ZERO margin for error, and we've been lucky to have not made many errors the last two weeks.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Dont know if any else has been following this, but the NFL is 0fer against the NFC East.

0-7, in fact. I am a Redskins fan of course, but it also feels good when I know we have the chance to compete against the best.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Injury Report
Stephon Heyer has a sprained shoulder.

Posted by: Cindy | September 21, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Most Interesting Observation of the Day: Heyer with a bum shoulder is still better than Jansen.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Injury Report
Stephon Heyer has a sprained shoulder.

Posted by: Cindy | September 21, 2008 8:16 PM


Comes from the chip he is lugging around on it while covering CP's back. hahaha.

Rub a little dirt on it...he'll be ok.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"but the NFL is 0fer against the NFC East.

0-7, in fact."

And what does that mean?

Posted by: charlie | September 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

JJ held up at least

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 21, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I didnt get to actually watch the game live. Any catch why Springs was rotating is at safety?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Lets all hop for us going 7-1

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 21, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I didnt get to actually watch the game live. Any catch why Springs was rotating is at safety?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:27 PM

They roll him in there when the other team goes to 3 WR and in obvious passing downs.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Very sad to hear about London's dad, condolences for sure. He is a true pro's pro and per usual was all over the field today.

Good point Matt. If there was any doubt that the NFC East is the best division i football, I think today settled it...that said, I'd love to see Dallas lose tonight.

Lots of positives to take from today. Thomas showed me something, Campbell built on last week's performance and is really hitting his stride, Portis is still the straw that stirs this dirty drink, and we are - OH MY GOD - creating turnovers! What a nice feeling. Also, Brooks looked much better after a shaky first punt. And when did Suisham start taking steroids? That 53 yarder was plenty long, and he's getting some touchbacks. Again, things many team take for granted but we haven't for years. Next week will be huge, I'm already psyched. HAIL!!

p.s. quick shout out to TEam USA for taking out the Euros in a great Ryder Cup. Boo Weekley is now one of my favorite "athletes", and top 3 golfers...did you see him "riding" his driver down the first fairway like a hobby horse after teeing off, and hear that the man wrestled an orangutan??? UNREAL!!

Posted by: Notorious LMG | September 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"but the NFL is 0fer against the NFC East.

0-7, in fact."

And what does that mean?

Posted by: charlie | September 21, 2008 8:26 PM
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You seriously cant make your own hypothesis on that one?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

interesting the London Fletcher news isn't coming from that la canfora. Perhaps he is being closed out completely in Redskins park.

Posted by: Interesting | September 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

They roll him in there when the other team goes to 3 WR and in obvious passing downs.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:30 PM

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Huh. Interesting. What do they go Rogers, Smoot, and Torrence up and Landry and Springs back?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Matt,
It looks like they change around the CB's and S's freely in the offense to give a lot of different looks.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason was writing two pieces for the paper and Les sent it in.

Posted by: Cindy | September 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

No, i think they go with Smoot, Rogers, Landry and Springs, and then add in Doughty and Torrence as 5th/6th DB on certain packages. Base has 2/3 of Rogers/Springs/Smoot along with Landry and Doughty.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I was just curious if they were still letting Landry roam sideline to sideline like they did last year.

Whatever they are doing, it seems to be working. Someone commented previously about our lack of turnovers last year compared to this year. Horton seems to be our lucky rabbit foot.

Then again, Rogers suddenly catching INTS is a sure sign the apocalypse is close.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Only CB: Rogers/Smoot/Torrence

Only Safety: Landry/Doughty/Horton

Either: Springs

They mix and match to both get matchups and coverages and to "spell" each other, much like the rotating D linemen.

Landry plays ALL snaps...everybody else comes in and out, some more than others.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Id really like to see Horton get some more playing time. While I didnt watch the game, I did notice Doughty made an appearance in the highlights playing the role of the DB getting torched on the Fitz TD.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Then again, Rogers suddenly catching INTS is a sure sign the apocalypse is close.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:45 PM

Seems a direct result of either Blache or Zorn (and I think its Zorn, Blache was here all along) implementing the new DB hands drill where the QB's (and Zorn) throw them 10 yard passes that they have to turn around and instantly react to catch. Gotta go 5/5 to get off the field.

Great drill that is showing results on the field on Sundays...Props to JLC for describing it earlier this season

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

As I said in a previous post, give me JC over Rothlesberger, definitely Leinart, and eventually Romo, too. I don't see where Gerrard in Jacksonville has the same amount of up-side. With even more reliable weapons I Zorn will be able to keep defenses even more off-balance which is an essential element to a West Coast offense.
You know things are changing when Carlos Rogers holds onto an interception...
Only 68 yards from Portis yet still manage the clock reasonably well?
The 1st quarter of the Cowgirl game is critical: if the Skins can ride the emotional tide, smack the Cowgirls right back and stay in the game, the psychological boost will carry them possibly for the rest of the season. Last year they were a play or two away (JC) from pulling that game out IN DALLAS; Fighting all quarters will let the whole league know the 'Skins are a dangerous team.

Posted by: pdfordiii | September 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

beep! beep!

Posted by: | September 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Great win today.
Positives:
1. Offense is putting up enough points to win
2. Defense is keeping us in games
3. Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers. The Skins are now +5 for the year in turnovers.


I really have to say that this team is winning games that in previous seasons we would find a way to lose.

Posted by: isnadd | September 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

+++guess who was the leading receiver today for Seattle?

You guessed it.
a Mr. Billy McMullen.
Billy had 4 receptions for 76 yards including a long reception of 34 yards. +++

At lest Brandon Lloyd didn't have a good game. Oh wait....

Posted by: Corkczar | September 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts and prayers to London Fletcher.....a son losing his father is one of the toughest things in life to go through. I am in tears watching the last game at Yankee Stadium thinking back to the times my father took me there to watch our beloved Yankees.

But......it's also time for some ranting.....ranting to a certain group of "fans".

First, to those that predicted the Redskins demise on the basis of PRESEASON play.....perhaps this is proof that the preseason is meaningless. This especially includes those who were calling for Jason Campbell's head after two bad preseason games and wanted....Colt Brennan????.....in as the starting QB. Two games do not make a QB good, but I'm seeing things from JC(confidence, moving feet in the pocket) that gives me some excitement for his future.

And finally, to those that said the Redskins would be no better than 4-12(if they were lucky I believe is what you said Corkczar)....take your "loyalty" elsewhere. You are pathetic excuses for fans and your negativity is better suited for following a frontrunner. Being a fan is believing and loving your team, despite it's apparant shortcomings. Not just sitting back bashing the franchise for choices they have made. I'd say that 4-12 prediction if they are lucky prediction shows your knowledge of football clearly to be useless....I don't care if you've been watching football since the 1960's or whatever it is you claimed made you so "knowledgable". I don't know about you, but I'm feeling pretty good about the Redskins doing better than 4-12.

But to most of you on here, the TRUE Redskins faithful....a little redemption with two beautiful wins and the next two home games being against VERY subpar teams, we have had some fun this season already and has given us reason to believe. Dallas week begins, still looks like a daunting task. But today makes me believe we can compete with those Cowgals, although I'm sure those few glass is half empty fans will say we have no chance. To hell with you.......HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!

Posted by: Rob M | September 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I posted on RI that we should keep Billy and let Thrash go because Thrash has had his several years, and he is not going to get any better.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 7:55 PM

Ray,

I expected the 'Skins would bring McMullen back, but he doesn't play teams and is not a substitute for Thrash. If he were here, he'd be inactive. In Seattle with all the injuries they really need receivers so he got his chance. It's a good thing when guys who can't make the 'Skins roster (McMullen, Lloyd) put up numbers elsewhere.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Leinart doesnt even deserve to be in the debate.

I was watching the post game interviews; JC said he lost 15 pounds this season because Zorn has been working him so hard. He definitly showed some nimbleness today, which is a dimension Gibbs never implemented. I'd like to see them throw in a bootleg to scramble play in short yardage situations.

Campbell belongs in the NFL, and now that somebody (Zorn) is showing him how to rise to his potential it shows (WHOO ROMO INTERCEPTION!!!).

Gibbs has never developed a young QB, and I think that he really could have done a better job getting the kid squared away mechanically and mentally for the NFL.

That cannon last week against the Saints shold tell you something about the guys arm strength though. Wow. And he just whipped it out there.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

We don't need no stinking Billy McMullen!

Anyway...

I think next week will be a test, but to me the true test will be against Philly. If Campbell can beat that blitz happy team on the road, he has arrived.

I'm so happy about today's win, I have to post later with my analysis.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers has a "waiters'" mustache...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

F Yankee Stadium

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit,

Comon, we gotta beat Dallas. Dont get greedy. They have plenty of talent, and the fact that we didnt get after Kurt 'Cement Legs' Warner means we might have to hope Jessica Simpson makes an appearence next week in Dallas.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

+++Definitly showing flashes of something special... and we've been lucky to have not made many errors the last two weeks.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:07 PM++=

You forgot THE key element of recent redskin success. They are about as healthy as they've EVER been in years...

All starters are available at the THREE most critical areas:

Offensive Line: Minimal depth, tho Jansen filled in nicely. They are still too light and too old but are coming together after having playd as a unit for some time.

Linebackers: Fletcher is the GLUE, Rocky Mac is playing like he did before his injury adn Washington, healthy is still solid to very good.

Defensive Backs: Healthy, Springs and Double Move are playing well, and Smoot is a good nickle. And Landry is Landry.

I didn't list the DLine because teams like dallas and Phila will exploit the lightweight DEs with the running game.

But aside from Daniels, this very thin team personnel-wise is running at full strength, learning Zorn's system and hitting.

If the next two weeks don't turn the squad into a MASH unit, could be a decent season.


Posted by: Corkczar | September 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

glory hole

Posted by: | September 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I missed the game. Did we clearly look like the better team?

Posted by: GHF | September 21, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Why does NBC insist on close-ups of Andrea Kramer?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

+++I I did notice Doughty made an appearance in the highlights playing the role of the DB getting torched on the Fitz TD.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 8:49 PM+++

No. That would be a lowlight. His highlight, aside from leading the team in tackles, was a forced fumble.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Why does NBC insist on close-ups of Andrea Kramer? Posted by: Mattsoundworld


SRILF

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Zorn inherited most of this team, which has been together nearly 4 years; last year Portis and Moss were injured a lot of the season; Randy Thomas was out; Jon Jansen was out and Heyer was green.

The play calling last year may have been conservative, but it was deemed necessary with the personnel situation.

I actually like it that Jansen is getting to continue to rest his ankle, etc., because if we expect to make a run for the playoffs, we need everyone healthy in December!

Posted by: Xlnt | September 21, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar you are right about the health of the team, for sure. Last year we were really decimated beyond belief. The line was held together by spit and elmers glue

(Hey, our boy Frost is playing for GB, just knocked the laces off the ball, figures)

Last year we had Moss down, Campbell, half the O- line, we lost Sean Taylor, AND Rogers, McIntosh... it was really insane how many guys we lost last year.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Marion Barber is a tough runner.
He's gonna get the first hit in
He's gonna get the next hit in
He's gonna get the last hit in.

John Madden
He just said it.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Felix Jones is such speed, we better keep our lanes next week, that much for sure.
Or it could be ugly.

We made E James today look like Walter Payton....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Last year we had Moss down, Campbell, half the O- line, we lost Sean Taylor, AND Rogers, McIntosh... it was really insane how many guys we lost last year.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:21 PM
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

So Gibbs 2, as conservative as it was, apparently was not all that bad a job in leadership after all, was it, folks?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh the Cowpaddies running game is brutal. We have got to be ready. We gave up too much to Cards today.
Romo's gunslinger mentality is exploitable like Favre's. He'll do great things much/most of the time but a couple key mess ups and it tips in our favor. Thus needing to contain that running game.

Posted by: sfskin | September 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

James only had 93 yards today. He did better than Portis, but he didn't set any records.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Frost just punted a low line drive short kick but he got away with it....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh the Cowpaddies running game is brutal. We have got to be ready. We gave up too much to Cards today.

Posted by: sfskin | September 21, 2008 9:30 PM

We gave up 116 yards. It seemed like more, but that's not much. But, yeah, the pokes are looking tough.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

To speak to XInt, I think Gibbs deserves credit for building a decent pool of talent, but he also had some head scratchers in there too.

Smoot was overrated for the money he got in Minny, but Antonio Pierce was not. Archulleta-man-run-by was a joke of an experiment. And Brandon Lloyd, Arrington... just seemed like Gibbs stonewalled both of them. Then you have the TJ Duckett gem. And we are married to Portis, Jansen, and Samuels literally till death do us part.

(Ah, theres the klunker from Frosty)

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone was wondering (from last thread there was one person).

Zorn was furious at Brooks because he iced Suisham. You may have noticed Suisham went to kick and then had to stop. That's cause Brooks called for the snap when the ref was still over the ball so Suisham had to do it over. Brooks didn't see the ref so Zorn lit in to him.
I went back and paused and stared at the snap - the laces were fine although ball was not upright. Was a long FG - 59 yds I think and Suisham kicked it wide left - maybe caused by the lack of upright ball but also just a long kick.

I think that punt at the end of the 1st half saved Brooks his job. Perfectly placed.

Posted by: sfskin | September 21, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts and prayers to London Fletcher.....a son losing his father is one of the toughest things in life to go through. I am in tears watching the last game at Yankee Stadium thinking back to the times my father took me there to watch our beloved Yankees.

But......it's also time for some ranting.....ranting to a certain group of "fans".

First, to those that predicted the Redskins demise on the basis of PRESEASON play.....perhaps this is proof that the preseason is meaningless. This especially includes those who were calling for Jason Campbell's head after two bad preseason games and wanted....Colt Brennan????.....in as the starting QB. Two games do not make a QB good, but I'm seeing things from JC(confidence, moving feet in the pocket) that gives me some excitement for his future.

And finally, to those that said the Redskins would be no better than 4-12(if they were lucky I believe is what you said Corkczar)....take your "loyalty" elsewhere. You are pathetic excuses for fans and your negativity is better suited for following a frontrunner. Being a fan is believing and loving your team, despite it's apparant shortcomings. Not just sitting back bashing the franchise for choices they have made. I'd say that 4-12 prediction if they are lucky prediction shows your knowledge of football clearly to be useless....I don't care if you've been watching football since the 1960's or whatever it is you claimed made you so "knowledgable". I don't know about you, but I'm feeling pretty good about the Redskins doing better than 4-12.

But to most of you on here, the TRUE Redskins faithful....a little redemption with two beautiful wins and the next two home games being against VERY subpar teams, we have had some fun this season already and has given us reason to believe. Dallas week begins, still looks like a daunting task. But today makes me believe we can compete with those Cowgals, although I'm sure those few glass is half empty fans will say we have no chance. To hell with you.......HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!

Posted by: Rob M | September 21, 2008 8:59 PM

Boo-yah!

Posted by: Stuart Scott | September 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has never developed a young QB, and I think that he really could have done a better job getting the kid squared away mechanically and mentally for the NFL.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008

Haha, talk about the "what have you done for me lately" crowd? Yeah, sure being the only coach to win the Super Bowl with THREE DIFFERENT qbs means Gibbs didn't develop young quarterbacks at all... (Not to mention
another qb who did ok in the league in Schroder). Also, who's the guy that selected Campbell again when everyone was extremely critical of the pick with Brunell and Ramsey already on the roster? Yeah...think about that one

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Corkczar | September 21, 2008 8:57 PM


your posts are nauseating. if i knew where you lived i would yack on your lawn, or porch or whatever you got out front.

we can definitely hang with dallas. they arent nearly as good as all the media wants to make them

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs deserves a ton of credit for building this team and instilling a mentality that it sorely needed after the previous administration.
Zorn got a team with a lot of good pieces to build on and that goes a long way. In the end it may be that the game passed Gibbs by on Sundays and we needed a Zorn to come in and take the next step in order to get some consistency week in and week out which we seem to be developping in last two weeks.
HTTR

Posted by: sfskin | September 21, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

Gibbs deserves credit, but "a ton"? I don't see it. He wasted too many draft picks trading for vets that didn't work out and we have a team that is too old and with inadequate depth. They did a good job last year getting younger on defense and if this year's draft works out they will have made further strides. But Gibbs had too much of a win-now mentality for my taste.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs deserves a ton of credit for building this team and instilling a mentality that it sorely needed after the previous administration.
Zorn got a team with a lot of good pieces to build on and that goes a long way. In the end it may be that the game passed Gibbs by on Sundays and we needed a Zorn to come in and take the next step in order to get some consistency week in and week out which we seem to be developping in last two weeks.
HTTR

Posted by: sfskin | September 21, 2008 9:44 PM

Completely agreed. And I don't believe the game passed Gibbs on gamedays on Sundays. He made a couple of visible gaffes, sure, but how about the numerous adjustments that are critical to winning a game that we don't know about?

I'm tired of people bashing Gibbs. The guy was a HOF coach during his first stint, he was a good to very good coach in his second stint (2 playoffs in 4 years is MUCH better than what came before), and he left a team that's very well-stocked talent wise and play like fighters

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Just to let everyone know; no, I will not now nor ever be admitting I was wrong about the Skins. Haven't you read this blog before? Oh yeah, and Vinny and Dan Snyder did a HORRIBLE job today. The team won in spite of them today, not to mention the refs were terrible according to several league sources. Did anyone see how they were watching from the owner's suite? Several bathroom breaks and a lack of quality snacks, as usual. An unnamed source who is familiar with the game of football said, "Vinny and Dan just don't know what they're doing. Many NFL executives have been talking about how there were only popcorn and peanuts in the box today, when everyone knows you need pretzels on the snack table! These guys just have no clue, maybe Vinny should spend more time planning the snacks, I think it'sobvious to everyone that his radio show is taking a toll already."

Posted by: Jason LaCantreporta | September 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Haha, talk about the "what have you done for me lately" crowd? Yeah, sure being the only coach to win the Super Bowl with THREE DIFFERENT qbs means Gibbs didn't develop young quarterbacks at all... (Not to mention
another qb who did ok in the league in Schroder). Also, who's the guy that selected Campbell again when everyone was extremely critical of the pick with Brunell and Ramsey already on the roster? Yeah...think about that one

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 9:38 PM
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Approximate age of Gibbs SB winning QBs

Doug Williams - 31
Mark Rypien - 29
Joe Theismann - 33

Number of SB QBs Gibbs drafted

0

Um... seems like I did think about it. Did you?

And I never criticized Gibbs for drafting Campbell. I criticized him for not addressing his mechanical flaws. Result? Fumbles, lack of accuracy, confidence, consistency, the list goes on. Zorn addresses those issues and all of a sudden Campbell looks like a mighty fine QB.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I am a big gay loser

Posted by: Corkczar | September 21, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

And I never criticized Gibbs for drafting Campbell. I criticized him for not addressing his mechanical flaws. Result? Fumbles, lack of accuracy, confidence, consistency, the list goes on. Zorn addresses those issues and all of a sudden Campbell looks like a mighty fine QB.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 9:51 PM

If you think Campbell was terrible and is now all of a sudden good because of a couple of months of practices with Zorn, then we'll have Tommy Boy come over to your house and hit you in the head with a tackhammer, because you are a retard. Typically young quarterbacks get better with more knowledge and experience. Don't rip Joe, he built the foundation for this thing and Zorn is polishing it up.


Posted by: Mattsoundworld is my beetch | September 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Approximate age of Gibbs SB winning QBs

Doug Williams - 31
Mark Rypien - 29
Joe Theismann - 33

So, you just proved my point. Doesnt' matter who drafted them. Gibbs DEVELOPED them.

And I never criticized Gibbs for drafting Campbell. I criticized him for not addressing his mechanical flaws. Result? Fumbles, lack of accuracy, confidence, consistency, the list goes on. Zorn addresses those issues and all of a sudden Campbell looks like a mighty fine QB.

Have you ever considered that part of this is due to a natural maturation of a young qb, now in his 4th year? Some of it is Zorn, to be sure, but a lot of it is Campbell getting more starts and confidence under his belt

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Where's Jasno with a new thread talking Skins? Cindy put something up after a couple of comments about the tiny 2-1 thread and made the excuse that he is writing an article for the paper. I have found five articles by every other WaPo sports writers and nothing from Jasno. Man up and take charge of your Blog on game day Jasno, especially when the Skins win.

Posted by: Where's Jasno?? | September 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Allow me to clarify my position on Gibbs. I think hes a genius. I dont think the game passed him by. Anyone who can take Brunell and turn him into a playoff QB after an offseason of scheming is ok in my book. The slip screens, the modified running attack that combined power and speed - all credit goes to Gibbs.

Which is why its a shame he thought Al Saunders was his equal.

If Gibbs had stayed, lets face it, he would have had to fire Al Saunders. Maybe that was just another reason to walk.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wrong wrong wrong
Joe Gibbs drafted Mark Rypien
He also drafted Stan Humphries who the Skins later dealt.
Humphries insisted on being traded after being behind Rypien for a few years.

Gibbs also drafted and trained Schroeder who was injured and Doug Williams ended up playing in SB XXII.

So there 3 SB QB's right there,

And still folks he is the only guy to win 3 SB with 3 differing QB.

The guy knew something about coaching QB.
The other Coaches had QB who won multiple SB.

To insinuate Gibbs was inadequate with QB?
Oh goodness, history does not support your thesis, and loudly shouts just the opposite.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Where's Jasno with a new thread talking Skins? Cindy put something up after a couple of comments about the tiny 2-1 thread and made the excuse that he is writing an article for the paper. I have found five articles by every other WaPo sports writers and nothing from Jasno. Man up and take charge of your Blog on game day Jasno, especially when the Skins win.

Posted by: Where's Jasno?? | September 21, 2008 9:59 PM


You must have missed my earlier post (sorry lost track of time eating sammies and egging Snyder's house):


Just to let everyone know; no, I will not now nor ever be admitting I was wrong about the Skins. Haven't you read this blog before? Oh yeah, and Vinny and Dan Snyder did a HORRIBLE job today. The team won in spite of them today, not to mention the refs were terrible according to several league sources. Did anyone see how they were watching from the owner's suite? Several bathroom breaks and a lack of quality snacks, as usual. An unnamed source who is familiar with the game of football said, "Vinny and Dan just don't know what they're doing. Many NFL executives have been talking about how there were only popcorn and peanuts in the box today, when everyone knows you need pretzels on the snack table! These guys just have no clue, maybe Vinny should spend more time planning the snacks, I think it'sobvious to everyone that his radio show is taking a toll already."

Posted by: Jason LaCantreporta | September 21, 2008 9:50 PM


Posted by: Jason LaCantreporta | September 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

gee, call me silly, but janso is prolly preparing copy for the AM dead tree edition.....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Mattsoundworld is this weeks bonehead for load mouth jerk who doesn't actually watch the game, but offers many "observations"

please shut it

Posted by: anon | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The one thing about Gibbs ... is that he is a Hall of Fame Coach!

Posted by: skinsfaninsanfran | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

gee, call me silly, but janso is prolly preparing copy for the AM dead tree edition.....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 21, 2008 10:03 PM

There's going to be so much Jasno up here, plus the others, that it will be like drinking from a fire hose. There won't be time to blog tomorrow because of all the stuff we'll have to read.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever considered that part of this is due to a natural maturation of a young qb, now in his 4th year? Some of it is Zorn, to be sure, but a lot of it is Campbell getting more starts and confidence under his belt

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 9:57 PM
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JC started 13 games last year, had 12 TDs, 11 picks, and 13 fumbles with a rating of 77.6

Through 3 games this year, he has 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 0 Fumbles, and a rating of 100.1

This is all in a new system, mind you. I dunno, nothing is fact so you are free to debate my conclusion, but I think that more signs point to coaching as opposed to simply experience.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

good try cl, but no. Wise, Reid, Tenorio, Carpenter and Steinberg all finished their pieces.

Posted by: Where's Jasno?? | September 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

JC started 13 games last year, had 12 TDs, 11 picks, and 13 fumbles with a rating of 77.6 Through 3 games this year, he has 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 0 Fumbles, and a rating of 100.1
This is all in a new system, mind you. I dunno, nothing is fact so you are free to debate my conclusion, but I think that more signs point to coaching as opposed to simply experience.

This is an apples to oranges comparison. Different number of games, different defenses played, different oline, different receivers (healthwise) and of course, a more mature qb in a different system. This is why I think it's silly to look at Campbell now and make a definitive decision on him now; he has to be at least given this season before making any long term proclamations or comparisons.

Now, of course, this is not saying that Campbell isn't playing better than last year. But to take 3 games for this year and compare it to 13 from last year and conclude that Campbell is playing better because of a new coach (when a lot of other things have changed as well) doesn't make sense to me

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

SF,

If you are still around, thanks for the info on Zorn and Brooks. I was looking for the explanation that you provided.

Thanks

Posted by: Mark in 21132 | September 21, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Man, is anyone worried about stopping the one-two punch of Barber and Jones next week? Romo, of course, but that's obvious...

I take comfort with the fact that the Skins play the Cowboys run like few teams (1 yard rushing in the season finale last year!), but wonder how much of that was due to Daniels. Cards were running it pretty well today targeting our DEs

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we all get along? We've played pretty decent D the past two weeks and held two pretty dynamic offenses mostly in check. The D line turned it on a bit in the 2nd half, but were non existent in the 1st half... Landry took a bad angle on the Fitz "bomb" even though it looked as if it was Doughty that got beat,... they were in a two deep zone, and Fitz split them..

WE WANT DALLAS! WE WANT DALLAS! WE WANT DALLAS! HTTR!!!!!!

Posted by: CLEGG | September 21, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 10:02 PM

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Ok, I can see where you are coming from. I dont think any of those QBs required the development that a modern QB would need (simply because of the rest of the team), but ok. I'll back off that argument.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Mattsoundworld is this weeks bonehead for load mouth jerk who doesn't actually watch the game, but offers many "observations"

please shut it

Posted by: anon | September 21, 2008 10:07 PM
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I followed every play on nfl.com, while a friend watching it live filled in the blanks, like Springs starting at safety, Devin Thomas running wide open on a couple of plays... I probably got more of it then you did, especially if you are slinging around caveman insults online, which is really a measure of ones manhood, huh?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I drafted or signed the Super Bowl QB's along with all the other players of that era you ingrates! Gibbs blew a first round pick on Desmond Howard after I went surfing in San Diego! Great coach, bad drafter.

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I drafted or signed the Super Bowl QB's along with all the other players of that era you ingrates! Gibbs blew a first round pick on Desmond Howard after I went surfing in San Diego! Great coach, bad drafter.

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM

The Super Bowl MVP for GB? Yeah, man, that Gibbs guy! Can't judge talent at all. I mean anyone can win the MVP in the Super Bowl; on special teams no less!

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Looks like another win for Dorf this week.

Zeke better hope Chris Chambers catches 3 tds tomorrow night. (i get the extra points though)

Posted by: Dorf | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM

I think you forgot how to spell your own name, Bobby.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the league is going to go 0-8 vs the NFC East... GB gettin smacked around right now.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh look the Skins won but that isn't important. What's important is that I let Jason know that I hate him and he sucks and so does his mom and his whole family.

I may love the Skins but I sure do love tellng other people especially Jason how much they suck. You suck! Did you hear me? Just in case you didn't hear me I'm going to post it 400 different times under 400 different 'clever' names.

Hey everyone why are you talking about the Skins and their win and Dallas week when we need to talk about how much Jason sucks? You guys suck for not talking about it more.

Posted by: Guess what I think?! | September 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Howard did nothing here.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | September 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I drafted or signed the Super Bowl QB's along with all the other players of that era you ingrates! Gibbs blew a first round pick on Desmond Howard after I went surfing in San Diego! Great coach, bad drafter.

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM


You must be delusional in your old age; you've even forgotten how to spell your own name, Bobby.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | September 21, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Heh heh

Posted by: The Manager Formerly Known as Bobby Beathard | September 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:37 PM

I think you forgot how to spell your own name, Bobby.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | September 21, 2008 10:42 PM

Mr. Cooke, I'm no spring chicken anymore.

Posted by: Bobby Bethard | September 21, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

BLloyd with 124 yards,
Chokey McShank with a 48.3 yard avg for Green Bay so far today...

Wow. I'm still glad their both gone!

Posted by: Alan | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

You certainly cant point the stink finger at Gibbs for his first round selections, especially after our mid 90s disasters.

Sean Taylor, Rogers, Campbell, and Landry arent a shabby haul.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Steve Jobs: "And one more thing...."

Can we PLEASE give a little love to BLLoyd (5 catches, 100 yds, TD)
I"m still pulling for the kid, no matter how rough he had it here.

Posted by: pdfordiii | September 21, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs had Lloyd in his Halo 3 clan.

"Tell me, how does the sword work again?"

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Miles Austin?? These Cowboy recievers are breeding...

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bobby Beathard,
You did draft Schroeder, Rypien, Humphries.
You also drafted guys like Monk, May, Grimm, Warren, Manley, Mann, Grant, McKenzie, Green.

Those guys lasted a long time.

There were also lean years in your drafts that only goes to show, it is a tough business and even guys like you can have a tough time.

Thanks for your role in our 4 SB appearances and 3 SB wins

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's QB rating

100.1

triple digits!

Posted by: Dorf | September 21, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

and there's the dagga

Posted by: hailbg | September 21, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

And only sitting at 10th over all in terms of rating... wheres the defense this year? I guess it'll die down once winter sets in.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Good Night Everybody"

Donnie and Marie Osmond

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 21, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Al Micheals: "Here we go. Frost. Low Liner."

Where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody said that besides the steelers at home the rest of the skins out of division schedule is a joke? There is a real chance the NFC east as a whole might not lose an out of coference game.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

This guy should be nominated for dbag of the year every year.

http://www.blloyd.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"Reed Doughty had been caught too shallow on the previous series. He tried to jump a route and misread the play ("I was exposed," he said), so Blache benched him for the duration of the game, using Springs at strong safety for a few plays and turning to Horton in the nickel package."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody said that besides the steelers at home the rest of the skins out of division schedule is a joke? There is a real chance the NFC east as a whole might not lose an out of coference game.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:12 PM
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We drew the NFC West and the AFC North this year; 0-16 outta division, though? Has that ever been done before?

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Jeesh - the natives seem restless today - even after a win... good Cindy keeping the piece. I say we just enjoy this for a day or two the worry about them Cowgirls...

Posted by: stevida | September 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I didn't notice Doughty taken completely out of the game. He deserved it. We could easily be 10-6 or 11-5 and struggle to get in the playoffs. NFC East is back.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

One would think the NFC East would send 3 players to the playoffs again, so whose the odd man out?

The only other wild card team I see contending might be in the NFC North, if the QB situations pan out.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 21, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

yeah that quote for jasno's article about benching #37 is a relief. thank god! i really think karim moore is even better than doughty. and LL can do his thing with horton in there.

btw amazing game by shawn springs. talk about taking away half the field. he is by far the most important player on D.

i know people are giving heyer a pass on that hit...but man he almost cost the skins a win.

Posted by: dealer | September 21, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Good Game all around. I love being in the NFC East.

Bengals should've beat NYG. Philyy was a monster today on D. And Dallas got lucky with fumulia Romo again........

Posted by: 4th is a PC | September 21, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

horton needs to be named starter monday.

reed your a great guy, and we can use you situationally but horton is our starter

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 22, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

So sorry to hear about London's father passing. I'm sure he played with a heavy heart and I commend him for it. He's been a great Redskin and it makes me sad.

Condolences to the family.

Posted by: DaShweet | September 22, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

horton seems to be a nice guy too...doesn't have the blue chipper mentality...

just curious...i might not know my draft class but i thought devin thomas was picked ahead of malcom kelly??

if romo is romo next week and jc keeps playing mistake free i think the skins win it next week.

btw...my FF team is the team to beat guys. i got j cutler and the titans D.

Posted by: dealer | September 22, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

btw...my FF team is the team to beat guys. i got j cutler and the titans D.

Posted by: dealer | September 22, 2008 12:54 AM

___________________________

now all you need is a life.

Posted by: | September 22, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Condolences to London Fletcher and family.

Good Game all around. I love being in the NFC East.

This.

Posted by: Suz | September 22, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Fantastic professionalism from the big fella under major duress. How did this guy go undrafted? Amazing.

I think the fact that just about every football fan expected it of him tells its own story about London Fletcher; the player, the leader and the man. Hope the healing starts soon for him and his family.

We are lucky to have him on our team.

Posted by: Steve Beagrie | September 22, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I forgot to add.....

what we're running on Offense certainly isn't the WC offense....

I see a lot of Gibbsian plays that the masses use to mad out. Quick Slants, WR Screens, Deep Timely Passes, Runnnig game.

The only difference is that JZ is trusting JC more where he get's an opportunity to win the game and score some points..........

Posted by: 4th is a PC | September 22, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Was at the game, great time. First time in the lower bowl, and it was raucous.


Met Barno who was sitting directly in front of me... he has a cool custom 47 that says CAPTAINCHAOS....

the cheerleaders are gorgeous... Barno, did you notice the guy who was with us?

Posted by: Zebra | September 22, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to add that Barno's friend with him bears a striking resemblance to the Red Snapper...

Posted by: Zebra | September 22, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Cooley on EITM in 10 mins

Posted by: Zebra | September 22, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

GREAT win against AZ - haters can say "it was only AZ" but you've gotta take care of business anyways. Things I liked:

1) Winning in the 4th quarter. For real, last year it was JC throwing picks on potential game-winning drives. This year we are getting scores in the 4th and our D is coming up with turnovers. Remember how many close 4th quarter games this team was LOSING under Gibbs?

2) JC spreading the ball around. He's clearly got favorite receivers (Moss/Cooley) but he's spreading the ball around and that is a good sign b/c it means he's graspong the offense instead of just locking in on one guy to bail him out.

3) Our defensive scheme. We gave up yards on the ground, but prevented AZ from hitting the long shots. Great defensive game plan b/c it took AZ out of what they like to do and you could sense their (Warner's) frustration. Apart from the long one to Fitz, the secondary played well. Warner didn't even have 200 yards passing.

4) CP running. No commentary necessary, he just brings it.

5) Heyer clobbering someone. I thought that was a bad flag. On replay the play looked like it was still live. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as the play is live you are fair game - head on a swivel and all that?

6) Carlos "Stone Hands" Rogers.

7) Rocky Mac getting in on a sack. The knees look like they are holding up nicely. I had serious concerns going into the season, but so far so good.

Things I didn't like.

1) Fred "Fifteen-yard-cushion" Smoot on Boldin's TD. I understand that there are times and places to give a wide cushion, but Smoot gives 15 yards on EVERY down. Even on 1st and goal from the 5.

2) Devin "The penalty magnet" Thomas. Going back to the prseason, I'm sure that he's got more penalties than he has catches. I don't know what it is with this guy, but anytime he's involved in a play there is a flag thrown. Unfortunately, I did not see a step forward in this game.

3) Suisham. If it's 40+ yards, I'm crossing my fingers praying over a rabbit's foot.

The refs:

1) They took a TD from us and they took a TD from AZ, so that's all a wash. ON replay I think it would have been a big mistake to call PI on Torrence and thought it was a good no-call. Warner's ball floated and Breaston had to pull up and it essentially became a jump-ball. Torrence ran under the receiver. Breaston tried to put his arms out over Torrence to get the ball and I didn't see any contact with the body. Torrence even looked up to make a play for the ball at the last moment.

Posted by: p1funk | September 22, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Great game, I was glad to see Daughty on the bench for the rest of the game after the long TD.

Horton needs to start next week. o-Line played very good, JC was good with the feet as well as his arm.

Santana and Cooley played great, Santana looks like he has something to prove this year.

I saw King Card took a beating last night hopefully he will come back today to take more.

It is Cowpie week, all though they looked good last night Romo makes alot of mistakes, and I think if we keep it close we will have a good chance to close it out in the end. This team is playing very well in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

BTW - There are few stand-up guys in the league like Fletcher. Condolences to the family.

Posted by: p1funk | September 22, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

p1,

Agree with almost everything you said except the refs took a TD away from AZ. If you watch the play it was blown dead at the snap for delay of game, the Redskin defenders were not even moving they were just standing there. If that play is live they do not get that wide open.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

p1,

Agree with almost everything you said except the refs took a TD away from AZ. If you watch the play it was blown dead at the snap for delay of game, the Redskin defenders were not even moving they were just standing there. If that play is live they do not get that wide open.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:33 AM

IF you say so...I actually didn't see the play! (I was in the car and heard it on the radio). I guess my point is that we each had 1 long TD nullified. And it helps that we won.

If we'd lost you can bet I'd be in full-blitz ref bashing mode!

Posted by: p1funk | September 22, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

That Heyer penalty was BS, Heyer made the block when JC still had the ball. What if JC had run instead and cut back toward the line then if Heyer does not make the block he is lazy.

As long as the play is still alive you have to be ready to take a hit this is the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

P1,

I actually watched the play like 5 times on DVR and the LB that was supposed to cover him was not even moving, the Refs were running in from the sides at the snap blowing the play dead.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

That Heyer penalty was BS, Heyer made the block when JC still had the ball. What if JC had run instead and cut back toward the line then if Heyer does not make the block he is lazy.

As long as the play is still alive you have to be ready to take a hit this is the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:41 AM

That's what I saw. Heyer didn't block him low; didn't put hands to the face. If JC puts the ball down and, somehow, successfully cuts back toward the pocket to buy some more time, you can bet that guy would be in pursuit.

Posted by: p1funk | September 22, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

beep beep (belatedly...had to go change the directv channel back to espnews....)

Posted by: Cindy | September 22, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

p1,

Agree with almost everything you said except the refs took a TD away from AZ. If you watch the play it was blown dead at the snap for delay of game, the Redskin defenders were not even moving they were just standing there. If that play is live they do not get that wide open.

Posted by: Flounder | September 22, 2008 7:33 AM


You are correct, sir. I got so sick of listening to Moose and Goose talk on and on about how that was "points taken off the board". So ridiculous, WE had points taken off the board on the Devin Thomas play. We'll never know what would have happened on that delay of game play since they blew it dead and the defense did not keep playing.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

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