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Posted at 3:00 PM ET, 11/23/2010

Football Insider Live: Titans recap, Vikings preview and Thanksgiving traditions

By Washington Post Sports

Rick Maese and Dan Steinberg joined Cindy Boren and host Jonathan Forsythe on this week's webcast to talk about Sunday's overtime win, how the Redskins might fare against the Vikings, and Thanksgiving football.

You can also download the podcast of this show or subscribe to the podcast.


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Isn't Cindy in LaVar's seat?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Injury woes HELP Redskins offensive line"

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 23, 2010 2:35 PM

Replacing an injured Rabach? retro, I think you nailed it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 3:00 PM ET, 11/23/2010
Football Insider Live: Titans recap, Vikings preview and Thanksgiving traditions
By Washington Post Sports

Amazing! Now we can watch videos in the future on RI! Keeps getting better and better.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This show is right up there with Redskins Late Nite!

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

This show is right up there with Redskins Late Nite!

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn'tmind seeing team pick up Maurkice Pouncey's brother in the draft. Might solve center position for a decade.

Trouble is he'll probably fall between 'skins 1st (too high for a C) and their 2nd (probably be gone).

Posted by: TheCork | November 23, 2010 2:29 PM

That's why I advocate trading down out of the first round and into the second. We should be able to find two starting quality interior linemen in the second round, while at the same time gaining an additional pick in the later rounds of the draft.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! Now we can watch videos in the future on RI! Keeps getting better and better.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If you think that's neat, you ought to see what the guys over in the business section can do with the "returns" from the NY Stock Exchange.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

An uneven win over an uneven team in an uneven season brought the Redskins record to an even 5-5. Perhaps the most noteworthy stat was the number of plays run: Skins 86, Tenn 51. Tennessee had ‘drives’ of 0 (PR for TD), 1 (fumble) and 2 (INT) plays.

By the end of our 4th possession, we’d run 33 offensive plays to the Titans 5. This advantage paid dividends over the course of the game. Even with our OL decimated by injuries (history repeats), we still had enough push and protection against a tired defense to move the ball and provide chances to score.

Both teams were greatly impacted by injuries, but the Titans also lost their cool and the subsequent penalties were critical to the Skins W.

All this is a way of saying, the win in Tennessee (what is an LP Field?) is NOT a blueprint for the Skins going forward.

I’ve decided to call the endgame vs DET and the opening quarter + 1 play vs philly: 20 Minutes of Chaos® -- we were outscored 53-0. The win in Tennessee felt like a different sort of chaos. Perhaps that is what to expect when its backups vs backups. McNabb continued his erratic play and our defense often seemed more lucky than good. I don’t see this win as a corner being turned. Instead, I see it as a step sideways. For the 5th time this year, the game was undecided when the clock hit 0:00 at the end of the 4th quarter. We’ve won 4 of those. Our 3 point “blowout” win vs Chi was settled with just under 2 minutes left.

This all leads me to a conclusion. We are unintentionally reliving the Gibbs 2.0 era. An era where the game strategy was to keep the game close -- and use character to win in the final quarter. But we’ve had 8 close games and only scored only 1 meaningful TD in the final 10 minutes of a game (vs Indy). We’ve won late, despite our offense’s play, not because of it.

It is not the approach I expected from Shanahan and I don’t think its what he expected. He looks befuddled by what is going on -- as if the master plan isn’t working and he’s not sure why. He doesn’t seem able to adapt, either. My guess is that he spent so many years seeing the world through the lens of the AFC West that he’s struggling to see it through the lens of the NFC East. We are 5-5, with a 3-win Minny team coming to town. A lot of folks will think a win will put us back in the playoff hunt. But don’t count me as a believer.

To me, this team is in chaos, and that falls on the management team. The HC, the team president, the real general manager. It is all Mike Shanahan. Even a gutty win this week hasn’t restored my confidence in Shanahan and his program. As much as I’d like to believe in this team, it isn’t happening for me. I just hope I get to eat my words -- soon.

To all, a very Happy Thanksgiving, including a dallas loss, from ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES and Yahoo!’s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 23, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

1. Kristofer O'Dowd | 6'5, 300 pounds | C | Southern California
2. Stefen Wisniewski | 6'3, 302 pounds | C | Penn State
3. Mike Pouncey | 6'5, 320 pounds | G/C | Florida
4. Ryan McMahon | 6'3, 282 pounds | C | Florida State
5. Tim Barnes | 6'4, 310 pounds | C | Missouri
6. Colin Baxter | 6'4, 295 pounds | C | Arizona
7. Ryan Bartholomew | 6'1, 298 pounds | C | Syracuse
8. Dan Wenger | 6'4, 297 pounds | C | Notre Dame
9. Chase Beeler | 6'3, 285 pounds | C | Stanford
10. Zane Taylor | 6'2, 309 pounds | C | Utah

Decent list of centers. from mockingthedraft.com


I like the first 4, the guy from FSU might be a decent zone fit. Same for Bartholomew from Cuse, there running the ball well this year and he would fit well in the zone...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No. Only a warning: Don't expect much. These are the guys who aren't good enough to be on the Redskins roster. Remember Anthony Mix? Giants practice squad.

Posted by: beep-beep

Remember Brandon Banks?

Posted by: TheCork | November 23, 2010 2:17 PM

Remember Arian Foster, He's only leading The National Football League in rushing.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

That's why I advocate trading down out of the first round and into the second. We should be able to find two starting quality interior linemen in the second round, while at the same time gaining an additional pick in the later rounds of the draft.


Posted by: kaasmaster | November 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to grab a playmaker in the first round. Get the absolute BPA. I just don't think I could pass on Julio Jones or Mark Ingram for an interior linemen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Deeper list then I was thinking. Trade down if you can in order to snatch a guard first. Then hope these names stick around into the mid late second round.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Boren the guard from OSU might be my choice for our fist pick...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

RI trying to confuse us today? There is a Reed Doughty post right before this one...for those interested.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Stu27- In regards to your list. Here is the list from the 2008 CLass of centers. How's that class working out?

C 1 Kory Lichtensteiger SR 6-2.5/305/- Bowling Green Convoy, OH
C 2 Mike Pollak SR 6-4/293/4.99 Arizona State Tempe, AZ
C 3 Steve Justice SR 6-3/288/5.14 Wake Forest New Smyrna Beach, FL
C 4 Jeremy Zuttah SR 6-3/294/5.40 Rutgers Edison, NJ
C 5 John Sullivan SR 6-4/303/- Notre Dame Greenwich, CT
C 6 Cody Wallace SR 6-4/302/5.34 Texas A&M Cuero, TX
C 7 Jamey Richard SR 6-5/298/5.27 Buffalo Weston, CT
C 8 Matt Spanos SR 6-5/310/5.40 USC Corona, CA
C 9 Drew Miller SR 6-5/302/5.30 Florida Sarasota, FL
C 10 Digger Bujnoch SR 6-5/280/- Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH

This draft is 3 deep at C. O'Dowd, Wiz, & Pouncey. All three will be gone before the mid 2nd Rd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Where are the confident, bold, courageous Skins fans? In the previous posts, the lack of confidence displayed by so many about the Skins getting killed by the Vikings simply because they have a new Coach is simply stupid, I'm truly dismayed. If anyone believes the Skins will loose to the Vikings or the Kitty Cows this year, then you are burgundy and gold deficient. I'm predicting this to be the Skins first blow out game of the year at home.Our players have to make up for the embarrassment we received from the Eagles at home, never again this year! Anything short of a serious beating of the Vikes is unacceptable.

Posted by: abxinc | November 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Where are the confident, bold, courageous Skins fans? In the previous posts, the lack of confidence displayed by so many about the Skins getting killed by the Vikings simply because they have a new Coach is simply stupid, I'm truly dismayed. If anyone believes the Skins will loose to the Vikings or the Kitty Cows this year, then you are burgundy and gold deficient. I'm predicting this to be the Skins first blow out game of the year at home.Our players have to make up for the embarrassment we received from the Eagles at home, never again this year! Anything short of a serious beating of the Vikes is unacceptable.

Posted by: abxinc | November 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Disagree Diesel.

To early to tell how that 2008 list will pan out.

And really those first 3 on the list could bust just as much as anyone else, dont know why you would write off all the others... You seen Syracuse play yet this year?

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Per Rich Campbell on Twitter (and DHall) Redskins have signed Macho Harris

Posted by: manlius1 | November 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

There was 1 guard and 1 center drafted last year in the first round.

None in the second and then a few more in the 3rd.

If you are going to draft a C or G with a 1st round pick you better be damn sure they are going to be great.

C and G can be found in later rounds a top 15 pick if we have one should not be spent in this area.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I actually listened to the "Football Insider." Someone was wondering what interim head coaches record for first games are. The "Insiders" had the stat: 3 wins, the rest losses. Peace kiddies...we win this weekend.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Also look at the schools that those 08' kids came from on the top end. I like the 2011 list much better...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Per Rich Campbell on Twitter (and DHall) Redskins have signed Macho Harris

Posted by: manlius1 | November 23, 2010 3:22 PM

I liked him in college. Anyone know what happened in Philly?

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The Macho Harris signing seems to be legit.

He started 8 games for the Eagles last year as a rookie. He had 41 tackles and 2 pass defensed.

Not sure if he will help but he is young and hungry so will see.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

From Wiki on Macho Harris:


Pre-draft
At the 2009 NFL Combine, Harris recorded 3.98 seconds in the 20 yard shuttle, and 6.68 seconds in the 3 cone drill. His time in the 20 yard shuttle was the second best among cornerbacks, and his time in the 3 cone drill tied for second.[3]

[edit] Philadelphia Eagles
[edit] 2009 season
Harris was drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in the fifth round (157th overall) of the 2009 NFL Draft. He opened the 2009 NFL regular season as the starting free safety, beating out Quintin Demps for the job. He was eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Sean Jones. However, the two split the majority of the playing time, and Harris eventually took back the starting position for final two games of the season: against the Dallas Cowboys in week 17 and in the NFC Wild Card Round playoff game.[4]

[edit] 2010 season
Because Sean Jones was not re-signed in the offseason, Harris was projected to compete for the starting free safety job with Marlin Jackson, Quintin Demps, and rookie Nate Allen. For the team's preseason mini-camps, however, he took snaps from the cornerback position, the position he played in college. Due to the performance of rookie cornerback Trevard Lindley in the first three preseason games, Harris was switched back to free safety.[5] Harris was waived on September 4. On September 22, Harris attended a workout for the Detroit Lions along with former Eagles teammate Quintin Demps, but a contract was not offered to him.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Disagree Diesel.

To early to tell how that 2008 list will pan out.

And really those first 3 on the list could bust just as much as anyone else, dont know why you would write off all the others... You seen Syracuse play yet this year?

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:21 PM

I've seen the Cuse 3x this yr. Bart seems to be a good player in the Big East. That ain't exactly the NFC East.

My point is that Kory Lichtensteiger was the #1 rated C in the 2008 draft. People here want him cut, tarred, and feathered.

I can count the number of rookie centers to come in and make an impact. Mangold and Pouncey. If we're expecting to start a C as a rookie it better be one of the three names I mentioned.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

So do you want this team to wait until the third or fourth round before drafting an interior lineman?

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

against the Dallas Cowboys in week 17 and in the NFC Wild Card Round playoff game

Posted by: kerzon417

Ahh, the good ol' days.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

kerz,

Seemed to be a numbers game in Philly they have a ton of young talent.

He is cheap and maybe it works out if not no big deal.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Macho played CB at VT. The Eagles tried moving him to Safety his rookie year but he had some trouble with that transition, nowithstanding getting lots of PT. After they drafted Allen with the McNabb pick, the Eagles tried moving Harris back to CB. It did not pan out there for him, and he was beat out by the Eagles' 7th round pick for backup safety, so they cut him. He has some skills and talent and game day experience. Maybe in the right situation he can develop into a reliable player or at least a viable stopgap.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

So do you want this team to wait until the third or fourth round before drafting an interior lineman?

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:34 PM

That's going to be tough to do without actually having a 3rd or 4th this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, was thinking the same thing. Dude seems to be fast...but he remained unsigned since Sept.


Beeps

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Cool i was actually wondering what you thought abour Delonte Carter, but i guess its washed out due to the BE this year. I happen to be one of the dozen or so people in the world that actively follow the BE in football.

I pretty much agree with you . Butt this years list of centers is far and away beter then the one where Kory was listed first. Those first three on the list are the guys i think we target anyways bnut I think that there is hope after those three, just not as immediate impact player.

Plus we dont play Kory at center, I might like him better if he had been playing the last 4-5 games at center w/o rabach on the field he may be a better option...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Macho...Quien es mas macho? Fernando Lamas o Ricardo Montalban?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | November 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | November 23, 2010 3:43 PM

Ricardo Montalban con su cuero Corinthian. El macho ultimo.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 23, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yo quiero taco bell!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 23, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

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