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For Collins, Only His Role Is the Same

While we see what's going on today ...

Marc Carig caught up with Todd Collins recently.

There's an interesting analysis by one of the football outsiders on the Cowboys' prospects for the last seven games.

Mark Maske reports that the NFL and NFLPA are at odds over disciplinary actions the league has taken against players for hits that are deemed illegal during games.

Richard Berthelsen, the union's acting executive director, said players believe the league's discipline for on-field actions, those that draw penalties as well as those that do not, has become excessive. The union will seek in labor talks with the league to establish a new system for appeals by which players could attempt to have fines or suspensions overturned or reduced by an independent arbitrator, Berthelsen said in a telephone interview this week.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 7, 2008; 9:43 AM ET
 
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Gweez -- Apologies if I misunderstood your post, and therefor grouped you with Cork.

Listening to Cerrato's show, he refused to comment on Hall other than to say "it's his decision" meaning Hall's decision.

So, that probably means they are talking or he would have said they weren't flat out?

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Vinny on his show on Hall, muttered, "its up to him"

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, after the Brad Johnson fiasco in Dallas, I'm reminded how lucky we are to have The Todd back there... and how lucky we are that Soup wasn't hurt Monday night...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 7, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Talent,

Ia gree with the comparison between Lloyd and Hall but i think the adition of the coach in Zorn that we have helps a lot too Gibbs was not in players faces like Zorn is it cant hurt for a half year deal you hit it on the nose with proving atl and oak wrong or else

Posted by: drkeller1 | November 7, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

NP Craig.


Nate, no doubt. So happy JC wasn't hurt but happy to have TC.

I'm getting worried about facing Dallas getting back Newman, some OL and Felix Jones on top of Romo. Going to be an important game.

Posted by: Gweez | November 7, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

So many freeking people calling about the Tickets and Uniforms to vinny. Some one called in with the idea of the pass along to the waiting list idea (where you sell your ticket to the guy down the list.) One thing I have noticed, almost all the people I have heared on talk radio who liked the all red uniform are african americans, and all the people who dislike it are white. Must be a difference in culture.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn is willing to call Portis out during a game, you'd think he'd hammer Hall if he needed to.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 7, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Hit romo's hand.
put a helmet on that pinkie

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think Blanch would chew Hall out worse than Zorn. We always hear about his fire.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the NFLPA is pushing the NFL on some of the disciplinary stuff with the hits, so much of it seems to be an extreme from Goodell and the league office.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ia gree with the comparison between Lloyd and Hall but i think the adition of the coach in Zorn that we have helps a lot too Gibbs was not in players faces like Zorn is it cant hurt for a half year deal you hit it on the nose with proving atl and oak wrong or else

Posted by: drkeller1

Yea, except the major difference is that Lloyd wasn't even truly a talent and has never produced in this league. Hall is a 2-time pro-bowler. I think there's a slight difference between them.

Posted by: psps23 | November 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I agree, Goodell is right on with the off the field stuff but keep the on the field stuff in the hands of Zebras

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

i like the all red unis...

the theory is upheld.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Red,
I will agnolage right now that its not an absolute, but just something I am picking up on from hearing sports radio. There have been a few exceptions.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn is willing to call Portis out during a game, you'd think he'd hammer Hall if he needed to.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 7, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this too Cindy, and with Blache and the veterans on this defense, Hall wouldn't get away with anything.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I like the all red unis as well. However, I would disprove that theory.

Posted by: BCBarney | November 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

wow am I out of it, I dont even know what I just wrote

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I want the Girls at 100%, I do not want there cry-baby fans to have any excuses when we kick there a$$ again.

I believe they had everyone when we beat them last time, maybe newman was out but he is not that good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I agree, Hall, 8 games 500,000. No signing bonus... maybe incentive based pay. if he is a problem, get rid of him.

He was a shutdown corner before the chuck rule changed. And punt returning is a need.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think newman was in last time we BB!tc% slaped them

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Newman played last game. He got tourched by Tana and ARE and Trash scored TD's on him.

Posted by: TWISI | November 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, Newman was in the last game, Santana took his lunch money.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Talent is right, chrislarRy...and remember that if, say, in 16 years she parks the family car on top of the garbage cans. Just a random example there...or if, say, you're downtown and happen to run into her while she's supposed to be in her high-school biology class....

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 8:09 PM

This reads a little bit like projection to me. Autobiographical projection. I'm guessing that Old Man Boren could spin a colorful yarn or two about stuff like this ... like enough to make one of those Bill Cosby sweaters.

Posted by: dcsween | November 7, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone headed to the Dallas game??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ BC...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Barak Obama said he liked the uni's.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Redskins get Hall. He was a good CB for the Falcons. He has struggled this year but every player does when he goes to the Raiders. We need another CB because Torrence is horrible and Springs will be lucky to play 4 of the last 7 games.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | November 7, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch last nights game? Did anyone see that Dumass marshall when he scored the go ahead TD. He was about to (or did) pull out a prop that looked like a glove (from his jock no less) but the short WR and TE ran over and covered him up before he could do anything with it. They saw him about to do it and saved him from making a huge mistake.
right after that there were 6 players swamping him, and the ref was trying to get in there and see what it was. Can you imagine if the browns would have had a shorter field to try and tie it up?

And I would fire the browns o coord now. 3 pass plays with 1 yard til the first... should have been a draw play... they had two timeouts...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Well, heck. What is everyone going to do Sunday for the bye week? I usually vow to spend the day doing something OTHER than watching football, and always end up back in front of the "tube" (I guess "tube" is an anachronism, now, for many)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

zeebs, I didn't see it, but I heard the audio on it this morning driving to work. Marshall was crying during parts of it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 10:54 AM

Esepcially against Denver's run D and fat Jamal Lewis back there. I saw Marchall doing something, looked like e was gonna pull a Singletary for a minute.

JohnD - there are plenty of other Sundays in the year to do other stuff outside of Sept-January. Idiot box it is for most of us.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Vinny said they are somewhat interested in Hall, but at a very minimal salary level.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato has said the Skins are "somewhat" interested, "our interest is at a somewhat minimal financial level".

That's what I wanted to hear. Come on in D. Hall! You know you want to be a Redskin.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I think Sports Guru wrote in to vinny, someone wrote in and said "bentch JC, has no leadership, start anyone else, get colt ready" was called the dumbest email of the day.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

They just read an email on Vinny's show that had to be from Sports_Guru, how JC can not play at this level and he should be benched before the dallas game and Colt should get ready to start.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Baby girl cL! Awesome news. Congrats to the entire L family.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

He was crying? about what... oh not literally crying.

I def saw him reach into his jock and pull out what looked like was athe underside of the glove (thats all i could see) maybe with the fingers cut out.

The little WR was first on the scene and basically did a chest bump, no air, and held himself against marshall. It pinned his had that had the item between them.

Then the TE came in as well, both mouting something like 'Dont do it'... i am sure they reminded him of the penalty at this imporatant stage of the game.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

that should say HAND THAT HAD

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I def saw him reach into his jock and pull out what looked like was athe underside of the glove (thats all i could see) maybe with the fingers cut out.

The little WR was first on the scene and basically did a chest bump, no air, and held himself against marshall. It pinned his had that had the item between them.

Then the TE came in as well, both mouting something like 'Dont do it'... i am sure they reminded him of the penalty at this imporatant stage of the game.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse


Marshal had something planned, Eisen asked him about it when he was on NFL Network after the game, but I didn't catch what he said about it.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I like the idea of Hall.... yeah, he's got personality luggage....but one thing I know from a psychology perspective is that when you have one big personality in a room with other big & strong personalities that one guy ( Hall ) usually falls in line. Remember Justin Tryon came in with a big mouth and then Smoot pulled him aside and told him what was going on. To sit here and not acknowledge that Smoot, Springs (elderly statesmen) & Rogers are not guys with strong personalities is foolish. Granted Tryon is a rookie and was easier to calm down. I just don't see Hall feeling comfortable enough in this locker room to start pulling off his antics. Too many strong characters ( Blache, Springs, Smoot, Flecher, J. Taylor, M. Washington, Griffin, Portis & Zorn ) on this team that will be quick to check him in an instant if he acts up. Everyone is really tightly knit here and that is one thing that goes unmentioned too frequently on this site is how well the locker room chemistry has meshed with all of these larger than life characters. Thanks Gibbs. Thanks Zorn. Thanks everyone. We are not the Cowboys. I think Hall will do fine here. There must be a humility factor here just slightly knowing that he grew up a Redskins Fan, Springs is always injured and Smoot can be 50/50 on the field. For Pete's sake the guy is 24 YEARS OLD. This was around the same age that #21 started to mature right ? It's no promise that the same story will play out with Hall, but it helps the odds. Pull the trigger on this one. SIGN HALL !!!

Posted by: dspinx | November 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the rumors that Hall is a life-long Redskins fan will go a long way towards deciding where he wants to play (and how much he wants to play for).

Posted by: psps23 | November 7, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

nice points dspinx

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BTW, The washington Nationals have new uniforms. Should help their pitching...

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The glove was to do a black panther salute. That is what NFL raido is reporting.

Posted by: Pleepleus | November 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

++++Vinny is responsible for the injuries to JT. The Ravens would have never made that move.

Posted by: AceLegend |++++

Okay, we get it. You're being sarcastic. But a REAL GM might have suspected a 34 year old 244 pound Dancing DE with one eye already on his next career would be susceptible to injuries in the brutal NFC East.

Then too, he might have settled on a strategy of either building for the future, or continuing to patch with fading vets, instead of trying to do both.

As you know Vinny passed on drafting immediate impact WRs because he's building for the future. Then he panicked and added Taylor, after panicking and trying to sign Ocho Cinco. Looks like he's panicking and trying to bring in the inflammible CB, Deangelo Hall.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I thought Marshall was gonna drop his pants like Singletary supposedly did during a halftime speech. Or how Randy Moss pretended to a couple years ago. He kept fumbling around at his belt. Whatever it was he is lucky he has some quick and smart teammates to bail him out.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 7, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Pleep, that makes sense for a glove and the fingers cut out.

Did anyone see that video from Philly where two supposed black panthers were outside a polling place.

Lots of controversy. The only thing i had a problem with was them holding clubs.

Sadly, little ol white ladies may have been intimidated...

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

++++If Zorn is willing to call Portis out during a game, you'd think he'd hammer Hall if he needed to.

Posted by: CindyBoren++++


That's not the primary issue. The primary issue is he can't cover. Honestly people did you see him against the rookie Eddie Royal? It looked like an All Pro receiver schooling a high schooler.

Hall wasn't in the same time zone.

Press coverage? He couldn't get close enough to him to press him.

Royal had him spinning like Dreidel at Hannukah.

Hall made Tyron look like Deion in his prime.

And ooooh Goodie he's got a huge contract AND a bad attitude. What more can you ask...?


Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Cork, your an idiot.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the NFLPA is pushing the NFL on some of the disciplinary stuff with the hits, so much of it seems to be an extreme from Goodell and the league office.

Posted by: craig2

This is coming from a guy who goes to the emergency room for a paper cut.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Cork, he doesnt have a huge contract... that was negated by clearing waivers.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Looks like he's panicking and trying to bring in the inflammible CB, Deangelo Hall.

Posted by: TheCork

There have been things that I've agreed with you about, but I can't agree on this one. There is no panic involved in this. This is simply a potential game-breaking addition with very little risk (if it's done properly). This isn't an overpriced, washed-up veteran that simply can't cut it anymore. This would be a low risk, high reward addition of a young pro-bowl talent without a guaranteed contract. In fact, this could end up being a long-term solution to replacing Shawn Springs. To me, there's no reason why you wouldn't give this a shot if you can get him at the right price.

Posted by: psps23 | November 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

And ooooh Goodie he's got a huge contract AND a bad attitude. What more can you ask...?


Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 11:44 AM |

Cork,

He has no contract he cleared waivers he is a free agent, as far as the attitude goes I would agree.

Vinny already said the only way he can come here is for very minimal salary.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Regardless, Hall will make a solid nickel back and add depth. He did go to the pro bowl with the Falcons, and held Steve Smith in check his last yr in Atlanta. More importantly, he can catch INT's. Pick him up, and he'll be a heck of alot better than Torrence and Randle El on special teams. It's not like your signing him to a long term deal, and he'll be hungry for another long term contract and to prove he's not a lousy player. This move to me is not a high risk endeavor.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Exactly pspsspspspsps

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Aside from that.......I have been the one that was lobbying for the Skins to use a 1st round pick on a CB in the 2009 draft due to the fact that top-flight CB's nowadays command ridiculous $$$ in the Free Agent market (see Asante Samuel, Nate Clements, and Champ Bailey's contract from a few years ago. ! ) Anytime you can get a solid CB on the cheap i.e. rookie contract you draft him. He is just 24 and Springs is one his way out. Signing Hall would possibly relieve us of using a 2009 1st round pick on a CB. What position would you like to see the Skins use a 1st round draft pick on, right ?

Posted by: dspinx | November 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Cork, your an idiot.

Posted by: craig2

And, in addition to being an illiterate, you're a gormless grouthead.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

No to Hall. Mgmt has told the players that character counts.

You can't have it both ways -- say character counts and then sign a guy who has flamed out twice in the last year.

I think mgmt makes a much stronger statement by saying, "We're not interested in 'me first' players."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

well my question got on vinnys show. nice.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

actually, there is substantial risk. If Hall get hurt, he's owed his $16million. So yes, there is the potential to take a big hit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

dang, you got a question into an important guy like Vinny? Puts my upcoming question to Obama in context ...

well my question got on vinnys show. nice.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 11:52 AM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Cork, your an idiot.

There is no salary with Hall, he's a free agent. The Skins have a strong locker room, so the argument that he's a cancer isn't valid.

He has played terribly recently, but there is no denying his talent. If Vinny's serious about the salary, and Hall decides to come here, he's an immediate upgrade at punt returner and at the 4th or 3rd corner spot.

There is nothing to lose with this scenario.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

actually, there is substantial risk. If Hall get hurt, he's owed his $16million. So yes, there is the potential to take a big hit.

Posted by: zcezcest1

He cleared waivers. That only applied if he was claimed and somebody assumed his contract. As of now, he's a free agent with no contract. Any deal struck would be clean of any guarantees the Raiders instilled in his previous contract.

Posted by: psps23 | November 7, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

actually, there is substantial risk. If Hall get hurt, he's owed his $16million. So yes, there is the potential to take a big hit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

He won't get signed by any team for that amount of money. Also, Randy Moss was considered a malcontent with the Raiders UNTIL he left. And that turned out pretty good for the Pats. Hall was never much of a problem under Mora, but who wouldn't be a malcontent with the Raiders?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

actually, there is substantial risk. If Hall get hurt, he's owed his $16million. So yes, there is the potential to take a big hit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

No, that was eliminated when he cleared waivers yesterday.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Z,
its radio, only truly crazy people cant get through those crack call and email screeners.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Marshall Planned to Honor Obama

Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall spoke after Thursday night's victory in Cleveland about his planned touchdown celebration that he didn't perform.

Marshall caught a touchdown pass from quarterback Jay Cutler with just more than a minute to play to give the Broncos their winning points in a 34-30 triumph. Television cameras showed him pulling out an object he'd stuffed in his pants. But fellow Broncos wideout Brandon Stokley, followed by other teammates, got to him quickly and prevented Marshall from performing the celebration, which could have resulted in a 15-yard penalty and perhaps given the Cleveland Browns good field position with time left on the clock.

According to the Denver Post, Marshall had painted a glove black and white to show racial unity and planned to put it on, in honor of Tuesday's election victory by president-elect Barack Obama. Marshall read a statement after the game and said, according to the newspaper: "I might get some criticism, but social landmarks are bigger than fines to me."

Marshall, however, did not fault Stokley for stopping the celebration.

"That's what a good, old veteran is for," Marshall said, according to the Post.

According to the paper, Cutler said: "Obviously, I'd rather Brandon save that for a different venue than a football game. We had a lot of guys in the locker room that are politically involved. Obama won, and people were happy

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What position would you like to see the Skins use a 1st round draft pick on, right ?


DT, or OT.

And I'm sorry, but, "And, in addition to being an illiterate, you're a gormless grouthead".....you got a lot of wedgies when you were younger didn't you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone here play QB in HS or at College? How important is the pinky to throwing the ball? I mean I have tossed a ball in the back yard and feel like you kinda need all 5 fingers. how does 4/5th's of a hand effect the toss?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

As long as you can get some pressure on the ball from the pinkie, I think you can still throw the ball. The bigger issue would be that you will lose accuracy, and probably some velocity.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Even if Hall got burned by Royal, us signing him doesn't immediately make him the #2 corner. He stays lower on the depth chart than Springs and Smoot until he plays at high enough level on a consistent basis to replace on of the two. Fear not. Signing Hall is all upside and no downside.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

dspinx, I'm not sure if the the 'skins have to use a 1st round pick on a DB. Yes Springs is getting older and there is little talent/depth behind Smoot, but I think the team should draft an area of need.

I would like to see them draft a DE, a Guard, or OLB/LB with their first pick. Kendall has one foot out the door already, and you don't have too many years with R. Thomas. M. Washington is either approaching or is already on the wrong side of 30, no depth at ALL at none of the LB positions. And we all know about the desire to have a pass rushing high sack producing DE on the team.

I'd go with a LB first. OLB to be more specfic. Then, I'd go with a Guard. You don't know what you have yet with Rienhart, and this is another position that lacks depth. There are DEs on the team already. Evans, Jackson, James, and maybe Jason Taylor will still be around next year.

If Hall isn't picked up, it'll be in the 'skins best interest to address the CB position in the draft, but not until a later round.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 7, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Is Hall Randy Moss or Brandon Lloyd? Moss was put in line with Tom Brady and Bill Belichek. Two guys with lots of rings.

I also think a big part of Moss (and even TO) is that when they got past 30 and realized most of their career was behind them, they saw things differently.

None of this resembles the Hall situation to me

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

DT, or OT

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse


Exactly !! Would be nice to have a stud DT in the 1st round instead... or perhaps a solid young Offensive Lineman. Let's get the 24yr.-old Hall and have a chance to alleviate the gaping hole at CB when Springs leaves us. I could get used to having a big young talented 330lb. DT to clog the middle in 09'.

Posted by: dspinx | November 7, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting worried about facing Dallas getting back Newman, some OL and Felix Jones on top of Romo. Going to be an important game.
Posted by: Gweez | November 7, 2008 10:20 AM

They will be rusty from so much time off.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 7, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Newman, it matters not if he's rusty, or at the top of his game, SMoss wears his shti out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

One thing I have noticed, almost all the people I have heared on talk radio who liked the all red uniform are african americans, and all the people who dislike it are white. Must be a difference in culture.
Posted by: alex35332 | November 7, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

How do you know the listeners are white or black and there were no hispanics and asians calling in?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 7, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - Brandon Lloyd is a guy who never produced. Not for us, not for the 49ers, and not now for the Bears. He was always marginal, at best.

As far as personalities go, did Brandon Lloyd ever disrupt the team? Was he p*ssing and moaning, destroying team chemistry? Was he killing the locker room? No. He was simply a bad player. Had he produced, we would have nothing bad to say about him.

Hall has proven he can produce. This locker room has proven it can handle big personalities. At the right price, this guy would be a great gamble.

Posted by: psps23 | November 7, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

For the record I am white and like the red on red uniform.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I think we have LB depth. Blades has played fine, Fincher showed some flashes in preseason and Campbell is great for spot duty.

I dont think London is done after this year, so get blades in at strong side and if we dont cut M Wash, use him as relief. Looks like Rocky is here to stay and is healthy.

Get hall, see what he can do. if he looks good, sign him beyond this year.

Then we can focus on getting our young o line (Geisinger, Rheinhart, Heyer) so more experience, draft a Center in the 3rd round.

We have most positions locked up now (thanks to Horton)

S
TE
WR
RB
QB
FB

If hall pans out then

CB
LB - okay for now

So that indeed leaves dline and oline. i say 330 lb DT to go along side Golston.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hall wants to be on a winning team. Like I said, he was never a big problem under Jim Mora, and the guy is a strong tackler. He won't be considered the star on the Redskins D, and I don't see how he'll be that much of a problem for the last seven games especially since he's been humbled by being cut. I just don't see what the big worry is at this point, he'll be a nickel back, and I'm sure he'll know that if he signs with the Skins. What if Springs goes down again in PRACTICE and Smoot can't tough it out? Are you going to rely on Torrence? I think not..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 7, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So, since he cleared waivers, his salary is not guaranteed any more. Just clarifying.

As to the call in shows, and the opinion poll regarding the maroon on maroon unis. Did the callers identify themselves by race? "Hello, I'm James Heatherton Childs the IV and I'm an African-American - those unis were really spiffy on Monday night."

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't see us winning against Dallas next week. I'll be rooting my pooter off, but I still don't see it happening. I hope it's at least close, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 7, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

LLoyd did produce in SF, but he was a known attitude problem. He had plenty of talent, but its never made it onto the field here. It was attitude.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

dik, bite your tongue....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I am white and hated the red on red. I love the red on white, white on white, and the white on red. i loved the white on yellow from last year.

I would love to see black on red. Has any one seen those blackout jerseys?

those are tizzight. I say we go black to mourn ST for the rest of skins enternity.

I would do like the titans or other teams where the second color is prominent in the jersey, not just our small stripes.

Also, on the skins sotre site, there is a black out sweatshirt where the indianhead is black and grey (i guess) and white.

That looks tough... Id put that on the helmet (white or yellow helmet)

see images here

http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductDetailIndexName=CategoryDetail_626&CategoryID=626&Page=1,2&ProductID=40214

http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductDetailIndexName=CategoryDetail_502&CategoryID=502&ProductID=40183

Posted by: Zeebs | November 7, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't see us winning against Dallas next week. I'll be rooting my pooter off, but I still don't see it happening. I hope it's at least close, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 7, 2008 12:24 PM |

What would make you say this Dallas is playing like sh!t, we already beat them with all there weapons and when the were undefeated.

I think you were the same guy up here saying we were going to lose to them the last time we played them, get some confidence you are a Skins fan not a Girls fan.

The Girls fans have pretty much given up on there team, let put the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

John, tossed a trade offer your way ... you see it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

If we see those damn uni's again, I'll slit my SJK'n wrists! Why would anyone want to remember that horrible loss YET AGAIN!

sukkards.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm for signing Hall.

His lack of production in Oakland is no indication of his ability (see: Randy Moss), and if the price is right, we'll have insurance against injuries to Springs and Smoot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 7, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Zee - I did - the four letter word that begins with W is running me a bit ragged this week - I'll get back to you tonight on it...thanks

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 7, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 7, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

i'm all trashed talked out after the last game. i wouldn't have minded losing a game with what got the skins to 6-2. but at times i thought it was my boy spurrier calling the plays.

so i'm in the wait and see mode. wait and see what zorn does. girls have a lot of talent and you never know what kind of team you're going to get. world beaters or the last place team in the east.

shawn springs, jason taylor, malcom kelly, chris samuels, deangelo hall(returning punts) all in burgundy for the girls game. now that would be nice.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 7, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The Girls fans have pretty much given up on there team, let put the final nail in the coffin.

HA, its ok to be scared. Was cambell hurt the other night or does he just suck!

Posted by: Dfan | November 7, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I've said before signing Angelo Crowell (OLB, Buffalo) in free agency would be smart. He's on IR now (and completely healthy; Buffalo got upset that he delayed a knee scope trying to play through the pain and deactivated him), shouldn't be too outrageously expensive AND he's got great chemistry with Fletcher from their Buffalo days.

Oh yeah..... sign Hall.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

colt brennan is the best QB in the league. So why is he third string?!!!

Posted by: surfum1 | November 7, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

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