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For Redskins, signing Clifton would satisfy biggest need

It certainly wouldn't be quite like last year, when the Redskins opened the vault for Albert Haynesworth, but if the Redskins can lock up left tackle Chad Clifton today, it would satisfy their biggest need and make the rest of the offseason a lot easier.

I spoke Thursday before free agency began with ESPN analyst Mark Schlereth about Clifton. Schlereth played on Washington's line but also played under Mike Shanahan in Denver, so he's plenty familiar with what the Redskins need in this area.

"I think Clifton would solidify that position for them, so they could go out and try to draft a quarterback if that's the direction they want to go to," he said.

When we talked about the team's needs, Schlereth said "you've got to fix the offensive line." Of course, it was a conversation one might have about the Redskins every offseason, but with Chris Samuels retiring, the team really had no choice this year. So it's no surprise that Clifton could be their first free agent signing.


"That's your No.1 priority. Mike Shanahan knows this better than anybody," Schlereth said. "You've got to have a legit left tackle. You only have to go back to the Denver Broncos during their hey day."

Schlereth pointed out that when Gary Zimmerman retired in 1997, Shanahan didn't gamble on a draft pick; he signed Tony Jones as a free agent from Baltimore who helped the Broncos reach the Super Bowl. (Of course, Shanahan has also drafted tackles. In Denver, he took George Foster with the 20th overall pick in the 2003 draft. Foster was traded three years later and hasn't played a down in the NFL since 2008.)

But signing Clifton will mean the Redskins can scratch the left tackle spot off their to-do list. They can then focus on upgrading other positions and will also have the flexibility in the draft to go after the best player available rather than the best one that fills a need.

We'll keep you posted on Clifton's status today. Because he shares an agent with Chris Samuels - and because Samuels is expected to work with the offensive linemen during the offseason and in training camp - you've got to figure the Redskins have a pretty good salesman helping Clifton make up his mind.

No, it's not the big splash signing that will shake-up the NFL, but getting Clifton will make other moves and decisions a lot easier for the Redskins.

"You've got to have a legit left tackle, if you're going to be successful in this league," Schlereth said. "It's paramount. To me, it's quarterback, then left tackle - two most important players on offense. Even though every wide receiver in the league might disagree with me."

By Rick Maese  |  March 5, 2010; 8:42 AM ET
 
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Updating an ongoing story, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports Detroit Lions WR Nate Burleson agreed to a five-year deal worth $25 million, according to a source. The deal includes $11 million in guarantees

Posted by: skinfanman | March 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If Clifton signs, you can pretty much bank of the fact that we're taking a QB at 4...

Hopefully we get a good young RT in the second round.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

This signing would make so much sense that even a Brownwood should be able to figure it out. Get it done!

Posted by: League-Source | March 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Get ALL the OLine help we can!!!!

Posted by: Lipty | March 5, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

If Clifton signs, you can pretty much bank of the fact that we're taking a QB at 4...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 8:47 AM

How do you come up with that, Rich? If Clifton signs maybe they can trade down? If Clifton signs they can take Suh or McCoy or Okung, depending on who's there. If Clifton signs they can take a FS or Spiller.

Point of signing Clifton is that it gives them so much more flexibility. If they don't sign him, they almost have to take an LT at #4, regardless of who's on the board.

Posted by: League-Source | March 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

ls, are you kidding me?? Clifton is 33, no thank you...not at 7 mill per year...I'd rather we drafted a lt, then a rt...

moe, good point in the previous about Betts, if ANYONE had an axe to grind, it was he....

oe, you think someone has looked at the body of work Rogers has produced, and say's 'thats the guy we need'......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Clifton is a good LT but he's a 10 year vet. This would only be a stopgap move. I'm not sure how I would feel about this. I suppose it will depend on the money he signs for.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

aaron rodgers is one of 2 QBs that got hit more than Campbell you morons

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

The fact they let Todd Collins go might give additional credence to the idea the Skins are looking QB in round one. But if the Rams are taking Bradford, maybe the Skins have in mind to take a guy like Berry.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Just because we sign a LT in free agency doesn't mean the Redskins will ignore the Line in the draft......

Clifton IMO is the stopgap LT for the near future....let's be honest...he is 33 after all.

It does clear the way to draft a QB at the # 4 pick....but then again that does depend on the RAMS.

If Bradford is taken 1....I'd still take Okung, or one of the top DTs if they are still there. There is alot of talk about Colt McCoy being available in the early 2nd round.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers' whining makes a little more sense to me b/c he wants to see how much he's worth in the FA market

p1 are you being serious? What team do you think would value his dropped interceptions, and raised hands as the receiver he was covering, scored....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse


I don't think any team out there would value him the way he values himself. I believe he is also delusional.

My point is that on the sliding scale of "Reasons to be a Whiny Malcontent" I think that someone who HAS had a chance to test the FA market has LESS reason to be a whiny malcontent that someone who HAS NOT had that chance.

I just wanted to point out a reason to brownwood as to why Rock is NOT behaving in a classier fashion than Rogers.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I think we could still take a tackle with our 1st pick. What this lets us do is choose the best guy available. Otherwise, what would we have done if Okung, Bradford, and Suh were already gone? You don't want to reach because high picks cost big bucks.

This also lets us draft guards or middle round tackles who may need a season to get ready for the NFL.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree,

clifton is not the answer. He has a standing offer for 5 mil at GB, he wants 7, give him 6. if he takes it great...

still we draft a OT at 4 or try and move down.

I want Baluga (sp)

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Why are most of you so sure Okung will be there at #4, lets say we don't sign Clifton then Okung is gone then what smart guys.

Maybe we reach for the next best T at 4 maybe that works or maybe he's a bust.

Signing Clifton gives up options, and the money is of no concern. They will structure the contract in a way that will not hurt them in the future.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Sign Clifton to a 2-3 year deal.

Give him the bulk of the cash this year (uncapped season so it doesn't really matter).

Let him fill the immediate need to stabilize that side of the line.

Still draft a premiere LT prospect.

Let him play/develop on the right side (like Oher and Jason Smith).

Move him over to the left side next year when he's ready and if Clifton has something left in the tank, move him over to the right side.

Done and done.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not on board with signing clifton in the least...33 years old, and wants 7 mill per year...really??

No thank you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm on board with getting as many O line as possible.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

100% agree with you Greg...I've been trying to tell that to LS all morning and that clown is so far gone after the trauma of the Vinny Cerrato Era, that he's ready to pay the man whatever he wants. If he comes down to about $4 or 5 million I could live with that, giving him a mint just because he's the best LT available in a sh*tty FA market is crazy.

And I the sentiment that "if we sign Clifton, we'll go QB at #4"...this ENTIRE O-line needs upgrading and getting a QB to sit on the bench for 2010 doesn't help. Get Clifton (at the right price), get Okung, build the line. Getting Clifton shouldn't change the draft plan at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't teams lining up begging for Jason Campbell? Isn't he great based on his stats? He's a proven QB in the league right?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe what I am reading. If Shanny thinks Clifton will fit in his scheme then I think that BA will be able to sign him to a future cap friendly deal.

We need OL starters and depth guys and peeps are complaining about the $$? With five draft picks FA is going to have to fill some of our holes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not on board with signing clifton in the least...33 years old, and wants 7 mill per year...really??

No thank you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse


Think about it, Bean. It can work.

If we sign him to a 2-3 year contract where the bulk of the $$ is NOT in the signing bonus, but in Year 1 salary, it won't matter. This uncapped year means we can spend Danny's $$ this year with no real ramifications.

If he wants $7 mill per year for 3 years, what he's basically asking for is $21 mill. Instead we offer him a 3-year contract that pays him something like $9 mill this season, and then $4mill, and then $3mill, in the next 2 seasons after this, with a minimal signing bonus (1-2 million).

We'd bascially be offering him $18-19 million, but structured in a way that works for the team. It is still better than the $15 mill over 3 years that GB is offering him.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Sign Clifton to a 2-3 year deal.

Give him the bulk of the cash this year (uncapped season so it doesn't really matter).

Let him fill the immediate need to stabilize that side of the line.

Still draft a premiere LT prospect.

Let him play/develop on the right side (like Oher and Jason Smith).

Move him over to the left side next year when he's ready and if Clifton has something left in the tank, move him over to the right side.

Done and done.

Posted by: p1funk

* Most lucid posting in a long time up here!*

Great job P1!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

i don't know about this one. Clifton would be a one-year band aid. He will be 34 before the season starts...and he wants $7 mil a year. I'd rather go with Okung at 4.. go young and build this thing from the ground up. Clifton will not be here for very long even if he does sign.

Posted by: jknobla | March 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

someone get ahold of Don Banks and ask him when the Redskins are signing peppers like he predicted.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If Clifton signs, you can pretty much bank of the fact that we're taking a QB at 4...

Hopefully we get a good young RT in the second round.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't "bank" on it. What it would do is give FO flexibility to get the best available, whoever they think that is, or trade down. That flexibility makes our pick more valuable to other teams, because they can't pidgeon-hole us to OT, which would be our biggest need if it is not yet filled by drafttime.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes they need o-line help, but I'm not on board with signing a over 30 dude asking 7mil/yr. They needed WR help -- they went out and got Lloyd and ARE... they needed help at safety -- they went out and got Archuleta. All epic fails. Just 'cause a guy plays a position of need doesn't mean you have to overspend in free agency to address the need... I thought we all knew this????

I don't understand, if they're that concerned with the o-line (which they should), why don't they just draft one or two? Signing Clifton would be more of the same -- sign an aging veteran who's best years are probably behind him to a fat contract.

If they were to do that, I'd lose a little of the faith and the new regime will lose a little of it's goodwill.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Clifton is a good LT but he's a 10 year vet. This would only be a stopgap move. I'm not sure how I would feel about this. I suppose it will depend on the money he signs for.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

According to the reports I've read, he's been offered 5 mil and wants 7 mil. It's a position of need and flexibility for the REDSKINS, so 6.2 to 6.5 depending - maybe.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

McCoy plays the 3 technique, which doesn't really fit in with the Skins new defense. Suh won't fall to 4, so it'll be Bradford and you know it. He sits for most of 2010 behind JC and takes over in 2011 (if there's a season). All the people who say "trade out of the 4th pick" obviously don't follow football. Nobody wants that pick and the contract it entails. Its Bradford and let's hope he's not Tommy Maddox.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the ages of the players of the REDSKINS OL......they definitely better not ignore the OL in the draft:

Clifton Age: 33
Rabach Age: 33
Dockery Age: 30
Heyer Age : 26
Rinehart Age: 25
Levi Jones Age: 30
Will Montgomery : 27
Mike Williams : 30

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 5, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't teams lining up begging for Jason Campbell? Isn't he great based on his stats? He's a proven QB in the league right?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse


That's a great question.

And with all the teams out there that have glaring QB needs, you'd think that the offers would be coming in fast and furious.

Hmmm.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't know Clifton so I can't say whether signing him makes football player sense. However, signing him would loosen things up for the draft and that can only be positive -- provided the Skins don't waste #4 on a QB. There's no worthy QB at #4. Trade down, if at all possible, and if Skins FO have identified lots of guys they like. Skins have many needs so need many players. Good luck!

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 5, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

oe, you think someone has looked at the body of work Rogers has produced, and say's 'thats the guy we need'......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


He may not get an offer for what he thinks he is worth, but he would definitely fetch more than what the Skins tendered him at. he could easily get $4-5 mil per year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Point of signing Clifton is that it gives them so much more flexibility. If they don't sign him, they almost have to take an LT at #4, regardless of who's on the board.

Posted by: League-Source | March 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to repeat your post, LS. I'm just catching up, hadn't gotten to your post. So I guess that makes me an echo. I should have just said, I agree with LS.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

face it fellow skins fans, there's no chance whatsoever Danny Boy allows the 4th pick in the draft to be a non-glamour move. We are drafting a qb, and overpaying this aged tackle who didnt protect his own qb that well is just to setup drafting a huge question mark qb.

everything is the same

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Its Bradford and let's hope he's not Tommy Maddox.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


Bradford is going to be gone. The Rams will take him. If they don't, they are idiots.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Do we have a complete cut list?

Marcus Mason RB
J.D. Skolnitsky DT
Eddie Williams FB
Todd Collins QB
Cornelius Griffin DT
Fred Smoot CB
Ladell Betts RB
Rock Cartwright RB/ST
Randy Thomas RG
Antwaan Randle-El

Retired:

CHRIS SAMUELS

Signed:

CASEY RABACH C
LORENZO ALEXANDER DT/OT/LB/ST

Tendered:

1st and 3rd;

JASON CAMPBELL
CARLOS ROGERS

2nd:

ROCKY McINTOSH
KEDRICK GOLSTON
REED DOUGHTY
CRIS WILSON
STEPHON HEYER

5th:

ANTHONY MONTGOMERY

7th:

WIL MONTGOMERY

Others:

MIKE WILLIAMS
LEVI BROWN

Who did I miss, and who's out of place, or off the list?


Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Signing Clifton would be more of the same -- sign an aging veteran who's best years are probably behind him to a fat contract.


At least Greg and Red seem to know whats up.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"aaron rodgers is one of 2 QBs that got hit more than Campbell you moronsPosted by: pabrian2003"

That was my question (except for the 'you morons'). Rodgers gets sacked a whole lot. Is this not Clifton's fault?

I didn't know much about the guy. But when I checked I recalled the 2002 controversy over a blind hit by Warren Sapp that resulted in a severe pelvic injury. The verdict is that seemed to throw him for a season or two before he began to recover his earlier form. He made the '08 Pro Bowl as a replacement and is now considered a top blind-side pass protector. Problem for the Packers is apparently the price he commands and his age. The Green Bay writers figure if Clifton leaves, the team will draft one of those rookie tackles that everyone is talking about.



Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who is pissing on the Clifton idea needs to step back and think about it.

It could be a really GREAT move as long as the bulk of the $$ is not in a signing bonus, but in a Year 1 salary.

He will immediately give us cover at LT. He's old but he can still play.

It will give us the time/cover we need to develop a young LT. And then Clifton can either move to RT or be a backup. Or we can cut him (assuming that the contract is front-loaded)

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Again, they need offensive linemen, no one is denying that.

But damn, at least be prudent in your signings. If this team is truly in re-build mode, then why sign some 34 year old?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Suh won't fall to 4, so it'll be Bradford and you know it."

So you don't think the Rams take Sam?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Clifton is a 2 year (at best) stopgap.

Does the fact they resigned Rabach for 3 years bode well for JC? (continuity)

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm just gonna wait and see what happens then comment. Reid and the rest of the media made it sound like Peppers would be signed by the Skins at 12:01 last night so none of them really know what's going on and they're just throwing out random speculation. These guys can't rely on Vinny leaking out information anymore so they don't know anymore than us fans.

Posted by: moseley_brian | March 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

he could easily get $4-5 mil per year.

agree to disagree on this one oe....the team would be lucky to trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Red;

I think it was mentioned that Shanny does not really trust rook OL, but who knows how that is.

One thing that is certain is that not many teams run stretch in college.

So I think they will draft Ol, but also have vet help to transition etc... maybe not Clifton, but def a midtier to higher FA or trade OT... dont really know if such exists.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

These guys can't rely on Vinny leaking out information anymore so they don't know anymore than us fans.

Posted by: moseley_brian


Vinny? Leaked information? More like:

These guys can't rely on Rock Cartwright leaking out information anymore so they don't know anymore than us fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

So nobody has an anwser for what to do if you don't sign Clifton and Okung is gone.

Thats what I thought people like to shoot sh_t down, but have no real ideas of what to do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I wanted to say this about Samuels yestidday:

Great player & so glad he was a 'Skin. But his roster spot has been a hindrence for a while now. Kinda like Marino in his last few years. Yes, he was the best player - but with him there, it was difficult to advance and the line suffered.

Now, granted we had MANY more serious negative impacts on the development of the OLine (*coughVINNYcough*)(*coughZORONcough*).

So while I thank him for his excellent service and think he woulda been an awesome 'Hog', I am glad to see him move on to be able to help us on another level.
...kinda like ObiWan, eh?

Help us, Chris Samuels, you're our only hope *&skschzt&*

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 5, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

zeebs, I hope thats not true, zorn didn't trust Davis, and look how that turned out, Gibbs didn't trust JC, and we had to watch Mark Check-down Brunell for 2 years...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if NE resigned Nick Kaczur? He would be a younger alternative to Clifton.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Under old regime, signing Clifton would mean "need addressed, ignore line for next 3 years". Now, I doubt it. Allen said plans are for 2010 and beyond so I doubt they have illusions of Clifton as a permanent solution. Have him fill in short term and bring along a top LT at reasonable pace.

Posted by: AdamCr | March 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Reid's most foolish blog post ever. How can you write this whole post without ever noting the guy's age?

In and of itself not a reason not to sign the guy, but it's a basic, fundamental part of any person's thinking about this.

33!

Gosh, man, get on the ball.

As for the point itself--I'd say signing a well-known 33-year-old is a plug, not a long-term solution. Sign him, sure, but then continue to build the o-line for the long term in round 1.

Posted by: farstriker | March 5, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

face it fellow skins fans, there's no chance whatsoever Danny Boy allows the 4th pick in the draft to be a non-glamour move. We are drafting a qb, and overpaying this aged tackle who didnt protect his own qb that well is just to setup drafting a huge question mark qb.

everything is the same

Posted by: divi3 | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM
_-_-_-_------______------------------------

Divi3 - The same? Really? If it were the same would we have dumped 17 million in salary? If it were the same wouldn't we be the most talked about team on ESPN and NFLN right now b/c of outrageous spending on FAs?

I don't think it is the same... hold off a bit before heading to the cliff... kinda like the measured approach the office is taking... just wish 26 had also gotten his walking papers.

Posted by: bschaef12 | March 5, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

flound, I just think that clifton, who is older than Thomas/Samuels, isn't the answer, I'm not saying I have all the answers, but lets see what happens with the draft, if Okung isn't there, maybe they can drop back, or maybe one of the other Tackle types is good enough to pick there....34 years old at the start of the season just seems like its the wrong direction to be going...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yes they need o-line help, but I'm not on board with signing a over 30 dude asking 7mil/yr. They needed WR help -- they went out and got Lloyd and ARE... they needed help at safety -- they went out and got Archuleta. All epic fails. Just 'cause a guy plays a position of need doesn't mean you have to overspend in free agency to address the need... I thought we all knew this????

I don't understand, if they're that concerned with the o-line (which they should), why don't they just draft one or two? Signing Clifton would be more of the same -- sign an aging veteran who's best years are probably behind him to a fat contract.

If they were to do that, I'd lose a little of the faith and the new regime will lose a little of it's goodwill.


Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM

100% agree...I think a lot of folks up here are so traumatized by years of mismanagement, that making a move like this actually makes sense to them. It's not a bad signing IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT...nobody should be backing up a Brink's truck to his driveway. For a change, WE have the leverage and I'd be shocked if we didn't use it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Count me in as someone who really hopes we get Chad Clifton.

We've been moaning for a year about stabilizing the Oline, and now that we are going after the best LT in free agnecy, everyone is pissed off???

Seriously, even if we do get Okung, does anyone think he's going to be a successful Day 1 starter at LT?

Young tackles get groomed on the right side, and then move over to the left, and it's not going to help our team/Oline chemistry at all if we've got Stephon Heyer starting at LT on Day 1.

Getting Chad Clifton first, is what we need to do to make the development of a young LT possible/successful.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

ridiculous. you dont rebuild with 33 year olds

Posted by: slim4 | March 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Rams will posture like they're taking Bradford, but they won't. Spags is a defense guy and Suh fits that bill.


I'm not advocating the Skins take Bradford and I don't have a crystal ball, but...this is the Washington Redskins we're talking about.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Clifton is a good LT but he's a 10 year vet. This would only be a stopgap move. I'm not sure how I would feel about this. I suppose it will depend on the money he signs for.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

According to the reports I've read, he's been offered 5 mil and wants 7 mil. It's a position of need and flexibility for the REDSKINS, so 6.2 to 6.5 depending - maybe.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


Even if it fills a huge need for 1-2 years, I'm down. This way we can draft a quality LT either this year or next, and not have to throw them in the pressure cooker right away.

Stephon Hayer is someone who comes to mind right away as an example.. He was forced into a starting position when he was clearly in over his head.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

he could easily get $4-5 mil per year.

agree to disagree on this one oe....the team would be lucky to trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree on the trade issue, but free agency is a different animal.

And for what it's worth, I still think he sucks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Question:

Why do all the doubters assume that getting Chad Clifton will

(1) mean we don't draft an LT and
(2) hurt the Skins financially

?????

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

How much was Samuels going to make this year if he was still in the league? If Samuels was a FA, and able to play, would he be worth 6-7mill a year to stabilize the LT spot for a couple of seasons. LT is a premium position you going to have ante up to get quality one with starting experience.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Simply put: to draft or not to draft a QB with the fourth overall pick is the Rorschach test for this new management team. They shouldn't do it and if they do, it's same game different suits and all is lost.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 5, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"aaron rodgers is one of 2 QBs that got hit more than Campbell you moronsPosted by: pabrian2003"

That was my question (except for the 'you morons'). Rodgers gets sacked a whole lot. Is this not Clifton's fault?

Posted by: Samson151

i thought the you morons gave it a zing. Clifton makes a lot more sense than getting peppers.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Brian Bulaga is a better choice than Okung. Dude is a monster.

Posted by: trezmartin | March 5, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

WE NEED COVER AT LEFT TACKLE SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP A YOUNG TACKLE PROPERLY.

YOU DON'T START A ROOKIE LEFT TACKLE ON DAY 1.

WITH CHRIS SAMUELS RETIRING WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY LT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A REPEAT OF LAST SEASON.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS???

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Clifton was roasted in GB. They'll be happy to see him gone.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Question:

Why do all the doubters assume that getting Chad Clifton will

(1) mean we don't draft an LT and
(2) hurt the Skins financially

?????

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:25 AM |

p1,

Nobody has anwsers they just have complaints.

I'm not saying I have any anwsers either, but if Shanny thinks this guy can help for the next 2 years then sign him.

They still can get all the young guys they want, lets say they draft Okung are any of you sure he will be able to start from day one. LT is a tough position only having one option is dumb.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Reid's most foolish blog post ever. How can you write this whole post without ever noting the guy's age?

In and of itself not a reason not to sign the guy, but it's a basic, fundamental part of any person's thinking about this.

33!

Gosh, man, get on the ball.

As for the point itself--I'd say signing a well-known 33-year-old is a plug, not a long-term solution. Sign him, sure, but then continue to build the o-line for the long term in round 1.

Posted by: farstriker | March 5, 2010 9:21 AM

For reals! It's as simple as, I don't know, reading the name "Rick Maese" at the bottom of the post? Details, right fartstriker!

Posted by: mack1 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

That was my question (except for the 'you morons'). Rodgers gets sacked a whole lot. Is this not Clifton's fault?

Posted by: Samson151

Not really. When he was getting sacked alot this year, Clifton was out injured.

When Clifton returned it helped stabilize the Oline and the Pack made their playoff run.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

p1, as I stated, I'd rather draft 2-3 offensive linemen in the upcoming draft, and stay away from 34 year old guys...they need to work some trades, carlos and their 4th for a 3 rounder, or something like that...bring in Fargas, or another rb for the platoon and draft, LT, RT, and RG....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

And worse yet, peeps are complaining without knowing what the Skins plan is for this year and the future.

Give these Football People that were hired (BA/MS) the benefit of doubt that they may know what they are doing. This is not the Dan and Vinny show anymore.

Settle down.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Brian Bulaga is a better choice than Okung. Dude is a monster.

Posted by: trezmartin | March 5, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

And will be available later in the first if we can find a suitor for our 4th pick..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Clifton was roasted in GB. They'll be happy to see him gone.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2010 9:29 AM |

Really then why do they have a 3 year 15mil contract sitting on a table waiting for him to sing it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

YOU DON'T START A ROOKIE LEFT TACKLE ON DAY 1.

Chris Samuels says hello....as does D'brickshaw Ferguson...as do MANY other top end LT's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Key phrase "he was out injured"

We've been counting on the durability of talented tired veterans for too long now.

I don't mind if they're in a limited roll on rotation, but not for to count on.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

p1,

Nobody has anwsers they just have complaints.

I'm not saying I have any anwsers either, but if Shanny thinks this guy can help for the next 2 years then sign him.

They still can get all the young guys they want, lets say they draft Okung are any of you sure he will be able to start from day one. LT is a tough position only having one option is dumb.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


Thank you. Exactly.

This move makes perfect sense, particularly if we frontload the offer to CLifton as a year 1 salary (as opposed to a loaded signing bonus). Since this is an uncapped year, who cares how much we pay him this season?

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

OK P,

But if you are drafting OT with the 4th... I say clifton is RT... and you start that guy right out the box

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Nice cuts last night. The only one that I wasn’t okay with was C. Griffin initially, but I don’t know that he will be missed all that much come the regular season. Especially if they go with the 3-4. Losing Smoot may sting a little bit if any of the starting corners go down, but at least there is some (hopefully) promising youth in Tryon and Barnes. I guess they really want to keep whinybaby Rogers around.

Signing Clifton will be a good move as long as they don’t consider the oline “fixed” by this one signing. Unless he can play LT, RT and RG……..Bring on Dansby!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

BTW some guys that fit NT positions were released yesterday:

Gerald Warren
Maake Kemoeatu
Shaun Smith
Jamal Williams
LaJuan Ramsey

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

p1, as I stated, I'd rather draft 2-3 offensive linemen in the upcoming draft, and stay away from 34 year old guys...they need to work some trades, carlos and their 4th for a 3 rounder, or something like that...bring in Fargas, or another rb for the platoon and draft, LT, RT, and RG....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM |

They can sign Clifton and still do everything you just said, the only difference is they will have a proven NFL LT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Draft 3 linemen, sign 3 free agent linemen
Thats how it should go down.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't teams lining up begging for Jason Campbell? Isn't he great based on his stats? He's a proven QB in the league right?
Posted by: 1965skinsfan

That's a great question.
And with all the teams out there that have glaring QB needs, you'd think that the offers would be coming in fast and furious.
Hmmm.
Posted by: p1funk
---------------------------------
Did it ever occur to you that a professional GM doesn't tell us everything that happens DURING the process? Could be we're getting multiple offers and negotiating. Could be that teams wanting a QB will wait until after the draft to trade for one. But the chances that you ding-dongs have your thumb on the pulse of Bruce Allen's operation are nil. Chill out and enjoy the observation of some true pros at work. We have miles to go before we sleep.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Right now, we're looking at a starting O-line of Clifton, Dock, Casey, Big Mike Williams and Stephon (all minus the tutelage of Buges). Think that lineup is making JC's heart go pitter-patter?

Posted by: boothintexas | March 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

OK P,

But if you are drafting OT with the 4th... I say clifton is RT... and you start that guy right out the box

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:33 AM |

Thats OK as well then if your young guy can't play or gets hurt you can move him to LT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

flound, yeah, I guess, you've got a point, but the age still worries me.

twis, of that list, Jamal has the most upside, but also the most risk due to injury history, I'd maybe make a run at Maake if he's healthy.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels says hello....as does D'brickshaw Ferguson...as do MANY other top end LT's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse


So tell me what you think is the better scenario?

-go into the season with Chad Clifton and top LT prospect

-go into season with Stephon Heyer and top LT prospect

I think the smart move is to assume that our rookie LT prospect might not be Chris Samuels or D'Brickashaw Ferguson right off the bat.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow...how do so many Skins fans say that you can't start a LT day one THE DAY AFTER CHRIS SAMUELS RETIRES? I mean really...you guys can't remember 10 years back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I am glad that we are rebiulding. We still have play maker's. I think we should have got rid of portis too, but thats just me. He just lookes fat and out of shape to me. Looks lazy. It would be yet another major boneheaded move if we sign the 33 year old, go get a younger body, someone withour injury issues. I hope the skins keep doing the rite thing. Cutting loose all the dead weight was a great start. And please pay big #45 what he deserves, please.

Posted by: Nott77 | March 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

OK P,

But if you are drafting OT with the 4th... I say clifton is RT... and you start that guy right out the box

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:33 AM |


Fine. If the young buck is up to the task that works out great. Then what you've done is set yuorself up to have real quality depth at the LT spot...what's wrong with that??

I think alot of the fear is that signing Clifton means we are going to ignore the Oline from here on out. I just don't see that at all.

It seems to me that signing CLifton is Smort Move #1 in a bigger effort to actually rebuild the Oline with a blend of quality vets and younger guys.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if there isn't some activity on the right side of the o-line, as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Not really. When he was getting sacked alot this year, Clifton was out injured.

When Clifton returned it helped stabilize the Oline and the Pack made their playoff run.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This is why people need to watch the games. Clifton was offering adequate protection. He was offering about 3 seconds of protection. Alan Barbre was not. Most of the sacks from early in the year came form Barbre and 1 of the interior linemen. Rodgers took the majority of his sacks at around the 3-4 second mark. This indicates that he was holding the ball too long. JC and Trent Edwards were getting popped at 2-3 seconds. This implies that they have good life insurence. Let's not look too far into that 51 sacks number of Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger. These guys play in a different offense and hold the ball on long drops in order to make plays. It's simply not the same as getting plowed as soon as your foot hits the ground in a 3 step drop.

We don't have a legit tackle on the roster. None, nada, zilch, zero. I hope we sign Clifton, draft Okung, AND sign/draft another tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

If you think Clifton is the answer then you are stupid!

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Exactly flound... insurance and depth... hopefully not too expensive... but we did save a lot of money with tenders and cuts...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow...how do so many Skins fans say that you can't start a LT day one THE DAY AFTER CHRIS SAMUELS RETIRES? I mean really...you guys can't remember 10 years back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM |

Brown,

Come on how many other LT have started from day one in the 10 years since Samuels did it. Maybe 2 I'm not saying it can't happen but history goes against it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow...how do so many Skins fans say that you can't start a LT day one THE DAY AFTER CHRIS SAMUELS RETIRES? I mean really...you guys can't remember 10 years back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, the smart assumption to make is that whoever we draft at LT is going to be Chris Samuels right off the bat.

That's a great Oline-building philosophy.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I see Dan Williams (DT from Tenn.) as our second round pick.. Fits the mold of NT in the 3-4 and he and Haynsworth not only both attended Tenn. but also work out together in the offseason. Dude is a beast!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

has peppers or dansby signed yet?

the jets have a couple corners in revis, and cromartie...wow, thats a tough 1-2 combo in the defensive backfield....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

We don't have a legit tackle on the roster. None, nada, zilch, zero. I hope we sign Clifton, draft Okung, AND sign/draft another tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Well said.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If they sign Clifton they should trade the 4th pick for two or three other picks and stockpile a couple more O-linemen and now they need a RB after yesterday's cuts.

Posted by: AsstGM | March 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Count me in as someone NOT happy about this - if it means we are not drafting Okung in the draft. Clifton is older and Aaron Rogers was sacked more than Jason Campbell.

Also, probably means the Skins will draft Jimmy Clausen (horrors!) at #4 since the Rams are taking Bradford.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If they sign Clifton they should trade the 4th pick for two or three other picks and stockpile a couple more O-linemen and now they need a RB after yesterday's cuts.

Posted by: AsstGM | March 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I think the smart move is to assume that our rookie LT prospect might not be Chris Samuels or D'Brickashaw Ferguson right off the bat.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM


I don't see the issue, SINCE THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING! We're not contenders, people! Take our lumps with a rookie LT isn't a problem unless we're going out there with a rookie QB. Which we won't, since I think we're going with Okung at #4.

So getting Clifton (at a reasonable price) is a bonus, not a necessity.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If you think Clifton is the answer then you are stupid!

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse


If you think Stephon Heyer is the answer you are stupider...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I think the smart move is to assume that our rookie LT prospect might not be Chris Samuels or D'Brickashaw Ferguson right off the bat.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM


Clady also started from the jump. If they grab Okung he starts right away. If they want depth they could go after Bridges who can play two positions and is much cheaper than Clifton.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If you think Clifton is the answer then you are stupid!

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM |

Nobody said he was the anwser did they?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

A strong line will cover up weaknesses and give Shanny's offense time to gel. I still say they draft OT at 4. A great line and mediocre QB is still better than a weak line and strong QB running for his life.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

If they sign Clifton they should trade the 4th pick for two or three other picks and stockpile a couple more O-linemen and now they need a RB after yesterday's cuts.
----------------------------

Sounds good.

And there will be RBs available in later rounds. LeGarrette Blount will probably still be on the board in the 4th or even the 5th round.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I see Dan Williams (DT from Tenn.) as our second round pick.. Fits the mold of NT in the 3-4 and he and Haynsworth not only both attended Tenn. but also work out together in the offseason. Dude is a beast!
Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 9:43 AM

Anyone who has learned under the tutelage of Steve McGarret is gonna be a serious badass. Bookem DANO!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I have a difficult time trying to understand what this team has against drafting good young offensive linemen.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

has peppers or dansby signed yet?

the jets have a couple corners in revis, and cromartie...wow, thats a tough 1-2 combo in the defensive backfield....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:43 AM

Bean,

Peppers will be in Chicago today word is he will not leave without a contract.

I have heard nothing on the Dansby front.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Lisa;

Jaded much?

I think we can assume three things based upon shannys past;

1) Specific Oline types are integral to his running game

2) He wants to run first out of his WCO

3) He finds 2nd round QB's and Rb's ( or later)

I am just not gonna wring my hands all day worrying. That need was relieved when vinny was let go.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

In this uncapped year, I see no issue with this signing. No cap hit, plus actually adding a legit OL to the pool. I agree with getting younger, but OL is so depleted that they need a stable of cats who can play tomorrow. If the idea isnt "well we signed clifton, we're done at Oline" than I am OK with it.

Also I know I might be insane, but I am in sort of a "trust MS/BA" mood right now. They have a pedigree lets see what they do. They deserve the window to make it happen..And by "it" I have low expectations. I'd be happy with "not a laughing stock" as a first step.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm OK with Clifton depending on the price and length of the contract. 2years, $11 mil would be OK.

Nothing long term and they still need to find a Tackle in the draft.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I see Dan Williams (DT from Tenn.) as our second round pick.. Fits the mold of NT in the 3-4 and he and Haynsworth not only both attended Tenn. but also work out together in the offseason. Dude is a beast!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Skins better get more vomit buckets and oxygen tanks then if he's been working out with AH! lol

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Signing a 33 year old LT to 7mil per year stinks just as bad as the crap FA signings of the Cerrato era. It's WAY too much money for an over the hill vet. If this happens, I'll be a bit put off with the beginning of the Allen/Shanahan era.

Posted by: pstrboy | March 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the smart assumption to make is that whoever we draft at LT is going to be Chris Samuels right off the bat.

That's a great Oline-building philosophy.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM


I'm not saying a rookie LT being a stud off the bat is a lock...NOTHING is a lock in the NFL draft. But if you're taking a guy that high, it's not outlandish to believe he's capable of being a Week 1 starter.

I would love to have Clifton here as a stopgap LT or a starting RT, so we don't completely disagree. I just think it's dumb to pay him $7 million per. If he were worth that kind of money, he wouldn't be a FA in an uncapped year.

Fact of the matter is, there's as many questions surrounding Clifton as there would be a rookie LT...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Nobody has anwsers they just have complaints.

I'm not saying I have any anwsers either, but if Shanny thinks this guy can help for the next 2 years then sign him.

They still can get all the young guys they want, lets say they draft Okung are any of you sure he will be able to start from day one. LT is a tough position only having one option is dumb.

Posted by: Flounder21


No one is complaining, it's just unlike some people here, I'm not ready to co-sign on EVERYTHING Allen and Shanahan does based off their reputations alone.

I think that the right people are running the team, but there is no way that you can make me understand that if you're re-building, that signing a 34 year old tackle makes sense. No-f'ing-way.

If they did draft Okung, He wouldn't be the ONLY option. C'mon man, good grief... they could go and get another LT, it DOESN'T have to be some 34 year old with his best years behind them.

Sorry, I'm not going to "nod away" at everything Allen and Shanahan does or might do. Didn't do it with Cerrato either. But I won't think every idea or proposal is bad on.

And I don't know what is this talk about guys who aren't able to start at LT as a rookie:

Chris Samuels
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Joe Thomas
Jake Long
Ryan Clady

... and these are people I think of right off the top, so I'm sure there are a few more who started at LT as a rookie.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks, I heard Dansby was in FL, visiting the phins...I'd like to get him, seems like a very solid player...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Etrod, you make me think about something.

There probably will be ZERo 2 year deals this year right?

With an impending lockout, who wants to have a guy signed for two years where one might not even happen...

or does that just push his second year into the third?

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I think the smart move is to assume that our rookie LT prospect might not be Chris Samuels or D'Brickashaw Ferguson right off the bat.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM


Clady also started from the jump. If they grab Okung he starts right away. If they want depth they could go after Bridges who can play two positions and is much cheaper than Clifton.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse


I know the fan in us would all like to see Okung at #4 through rosy glasses.

What if he is not the next Samuels, Clady, Ferguson???

What if he is Robert Gallery or Big Mike Williams or Andre Smith?

Or what if he is Oher, Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe?

AFTER THE SEASON WE JUST SUFFERED THROUGH, WHY ARE WE REJECTING THE NOTION OF SIGNING THE BEST LEFT TACKLE ON THE MARKET????

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I have a difficult time trying to understand what this team has against drafting good young offensive linemen.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM |

I have a difficult time understanding how the F you know they aren't going to draft a young Offensive linemen.

If you have a crystal ball please tell me what the Lotto numbers are this week.

Also in case most of you can't read Clifton is not singned he is coming for a visit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Common sense check, please.

I don't care how good he may have been in some earlier season -- you just don't pick up a 33 year old lineman and expect him to play -- that is, unless you just want him around for some locker room maturity and to help coach up some of the younger players.

Truth is, he won't be able to play more than a half-dozen games all year, what with them 33 year old lineman's knees, hammies and all.

And besides, wasn't Samuels just asking for just this sort of coaching gig?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Etrod, you make me think about something.

There probably will be ZERo 2 year deals this year right?

With an impending lockout, who wants to have a guy signed for two years where one might not even happen...

or does that just push his second year into the third?

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse


I don't know, but that is what makes me feel better about a 2 year deal--the possibility that we won't have to pay him next year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I would rather see us go for a restricted and give up a pick next year for a young stud, if there is one, possibly Evans from New Orleans or someone out of San Diego...this seems like another band aid, unless they draft an immediate heir...

I just keep telling myself...depth, depth, depth.

I went out and celebrated at Ruth Chris last night for the simple fact that they cut circle, circle, dive - ARE.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Also I know I might be insane, but I am in sort of a "trust MS/BA" mood right now. They have a pedigree lets see what they do. They deserve the window to make it happen..And by "it" I have low expectations. I'd be happy with "not a laughing stock" as a first step.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2010 9:48 AM


Nothing crazy about that CL...I'm with you on that.

This is a rebuilding effort and we won't see vast improvement right away. I'm not sure why that's lost on so many up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree w/those of you who are calling for a 2-3yr front-loaded contract offer for Clifton and the Skins still drafting a future LT this year.

Clifton is only a couple notches better than even Levi Jones and too old. But, as only a stop gap, I'd agree w/it.

Personally, when I watch Okung, he just cries out Bronco OL (not just cuz he wore orange.)

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 5, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Common sense check, please.

I don't care how good he may have been in some earlier season -- you just don't pick up a 33 year old lineman and expect him to play -- that is, unless you just want him around for some locker room maturity and to help coach up some of the younger players.

Truth is, he won't be able to play more than a half-dozen games all year, what with them 33 year old lineman's knees, hammies and all.

And besides, wasn't Samuels just asking for just this sort of coaching gig?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse


Common sense check #2

Right now, the best left tackle on our roster is Stephon Heyer.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow I actually agree with Chris Larry. WTF?

Did you notice that if you put Bruce Allen's initials next to Mike Shanahans it spells BAMS? How cool is that?

Clifton or Clady would be a good signing, especially if -- as many have pointed out -- you front load the contract. That way you get veteran help without slipping directly into salary cap hell. That would be a very smart use of an uncapped year.

The problem they're facing is that the Redskins need a huge makeover, and they only have what 5 picks in the draft? Here's how it works.

1) The Redskins need to sign FA to improve.
2) This year the only UFA are 6+ year vets.
3) Most 6+ year vets are in year 2 of a multi-year contract.
4) Most UFA will be vets with 8 or more years of experience.

Therefore, if the Redskins need to sign FA, either they give up draft choices (HORROR!!!) or they sign guys with 8+ years.

Stop freaking out. They're doing this right.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

That's understandable Red, but Allen and Shanahan have put together a plan for the Redskins. It appears that one of the guys they earmarked was Clifton. This is one of their first moves. Let's see what their plan is and how they do this offseason.

Yesterday they made some very smart moves w/cuts and tenders. Let's see what else they are bringing to the game. There will be plenty of time to second guess them once we have the benefit of hindsight.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Common sense check #2

Right now, the best left tackle on our roster is Stephon Heyer.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:57 AM


Common Sense Check #3:

The depth chart on the opening day of FA doesn't matter AT ALL. I'm fairly certain we're not playing any games for another 6 months or so...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

" Why aren't teams lining up begging for Jason Campbell? Isn't he great based on his stats? He's a proven QB in the league right?Posted by: 1965skinsfan"

Yes, he is a proven QB. But his stats don't prove he's great -- they suggest he's above average, capable of taking a good team into the playoffs, but not of turning a bad team into a contender.

Thing is, he's more valuable to the Skins than to another franchise. The Skins can have him at a reasonable price, take a young QB, and groom the kid behind Jason. I'm sure it's not the role Campbell dreams of, but hey, it's a business.

If Campbell got a shot at a team like Carolina or Minnesota, that would be heaven for him. But that looks doubtful.

To be a truly successful NFL QB, with the paucity of opportunities, you don't just need to be good. You need to be lucky.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

are you kidding me?

we need lineman - not some rookie, campbell will get killed.
if they think it helps, go get him!

trust in the coaching/management staff please!!!!!

what you want to sign peppers for $100 mil?
besides, who cares what this lineman makes, is it your money??
i think it is a good move!

you guys make it sound like the skins with this signing have no more money!
get real!!!


Posted by: ecartola | March 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It bugs me out how some people are ready to give the RI stamp of approval on every decision Shanahan and Allen make just because it's Allen and Shanahan. And that the same reasons why we knocked free agent signings in the past is THE EXACT same thing they're doing with this Clifton sh*t.

It's 2000 all over again. Deion, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier....

I get they need offensive linemen, but why does it have to be an aging 34 year old asking for a sh*tload of money?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Common Sense Check #3:

The depth chart on the opening day of FA doesn't matter AT ALL. I'm fairly certain we're not playing any games for another 6 months or so...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse


Common Sense Check #4

Over those next 6 months we NEED to add quality Olineman.

Hey, I have an idea! Why not make a run at the best left tackle in free agency!

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

brown, yeah, good call, funny you should mention that, I checked in this morning around 7am, and corky had posted something about the glaring lack of depth, and how it was jc, then brennan, and some more pissing and whining that we've come to expect from that senile old fart...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we're still in play for Dansby:

Dansby says he'll visit "every team"
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2010 9:06 AM ET
Though free agent linebacker Karlos Dansby's first trip will be to Miami, he's also keeping watch on the Redskins. And everyone else.

"Washington is definitely a place I'm looking at," Dansby told Jason Reid of the Washington Post. "My gate is wide open right now. I'm going to take every visit. I'm going in to every team to see what type of piece of the puzzle I will be."

Possible translation? "No one is willing to pay me what I want."

"I do my homework, man," Dansby said. "Any team that wants me to visit, I do homework on 'em. I have to know how would I fit in."

Right, but nothing says "fit" like "finances." The more money a guy is offered about that which he thinks he's worth, the more loved he feels, the better fit he senses.

Dansby has earned franchise money each of the past two years. As a result, he likely thinks/hopes he'll be averaging $9 million or more per season on a long-term deal. Thus, we think he needs to come to grips with the fact that his W-2 will be showing a much lower average number going forward.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to the darkside dpc2003

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

RT @RickMaese Free agent tackle Tony Pashos on his way to visit the #Redskins, per a league source.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

It's the freaking Catalina Wine Mixer!

BAMS!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Joe Thomas
Jake Long
Ryan Clady

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Good list but there are only 5 guys that come to mind? (and Jake Long?? really?)

To counterpoint, All of these guys were taken in the 1st round.. I wonder how many Pro Bowl starting Linemen were taken in later rounds that were not forced in the offense from day one?

Not disagreeing with you, but wanted to provide a little food for thought.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

It's 2000 all over again. Deion, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier....

I get they need offensive linemen, but why does it have to be an aging 34 year old asking for a sh*tload of money?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Bro, this is NOT 2000 all over again.

If it were, then Charles Grant, Julius Peppers, and LaDainian Tomlinson would be having a presser at Redskins Park right now talking about the 7 year contracts they signed with record-breaking signing bonuses.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Chad Clifton? WTF? Why aren't the Skins signing the 25 year old Pro-Bowl LT instead?

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | March 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

bad beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Common Sense Check #4

Over those next 6 months we NEED to add quality Olineman.

Hey, I have an idea! Why not make a run at the best left tackle in free agency!

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 10:03 AM


Making a run at him is fine by me...signing him for $7 million per is what is retarded.

I just don't get the sense of urgency in getting the depth chart set in March when it's a work in progress all the way to training camp. We still have the entire FA signing period to go and the pro day hasn't happened yet, much less the draft. Give it some time, bro! Opening day rosters don't have to be set until August, you know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Red;

dont you think that is overstated.

One visit, that is all it is right now, everything else is speculation... and you want to equate it to the worst FA sigining period ever in the NFL.

Step off the ledge a little.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow...who knew Wale was a big Skins fan? He's on ESPN First Take right now debating Skip Bayless (another sign of how lame this show is).

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I see Dan Williams (DT from Tenn.) as our second round pick.. Fits the mold of NT in the 3-4 and he and Haynsworth not only both attended Tenn. but also work out together in the off season. Dude is a beast!

Great idea, doubt he's still there at #37. Hope so, but doubt it.

Posted by: edvar | March 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

jesus;

if you are referring to someone who said Clady...

that person was wrong... clady is not a FA.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

you got it P1. Vinnie would have signed LT and Peppers, renegotiated Randy Thomas, Cartwright, Randle El, etc. and then promised us a Super Bowl.

I am going to miss Smootie. Dude played with heart. I wondered why they didn't put him back at FS and let Landry play SS. I think Smoot could handle the FS job, he's got coverage skills and isn't afraid to stick his nose in there to make a tackle. He may not be able to handle those 10 yard outs anymore, but at FS he wouldn't have had to do that much.

Guess they wanted him to cover for CR22 instead...

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse


Well, let's let the FO make a run at him and see what happens.

They can play around with the structure of the contract to benefit the team in the short-run (which is what we NEED right now) and hedge our liability in the long-run.

The 7mill/season figure is simply a starting point for haggling, and it basically translates into "21 million over 3 years". We obviously don't need to meet that asking price, all we need to do is beat the offer of the Packers and structure the $$ in a way where we pay most of it this season (when we most need Clifton).

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

at idea, doubt he's still there at #37. Hope so, but doubt it.

Posted by: edvar | March 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


Can the Eagles please give us a draft pick or 2 for Campbell?? Im kidding, but seriously can they?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Common Sense Check #3:

The depth chart on the opening day of FA doesn't matter AT ALL. I'm fairly certain we're not playing any games for another 6 months or so...

Posted by: brownwood26


EXACTLY! People are acting like they're playing this coming Sunday or something. What's the big hurry to sign a 34 year old to 7 mil/yr. is sort of beyond me.


I'd be happy with "not a laughing stock" as a first step.

Posted by: chrislarry


Which means you've accepted the idea of re-building. So that being the case, why vouch for the signing of a 30-something-plus guy asking for the money that he is. I don't care how they proportion his salary, the idea of signing someone his age and you're supposed to be in rebuild mode is counterintuitive.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander may be the first player in the history of the NFL to rotate between outside linebacker and defensive tackle consistently in the same game. Very interested to see how that works out.

"If they did draft Okung, He wouldn't be the ONLY option. C'mon man, good grief... they could go and get another LT, it DOESN'T have to be some 34 year old with his best years behind them."

Sure, it doesn't have to be, but he is the best FA OT on the market, and there's no guarantee that the Redskins even get a shot at Okung. Even if they do, they still need a RT and there's little to no chance that Shanahan starts two rookies as the anchors to his line. Nobody has any idea how long their contract talks are for. This could be a 3 year deal, front-loaded to put minimal impact on a future prospective salary cap.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with meeting with the top OT on the market, especially when OT is by far the biggest need on the team.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse


If you think Clifton is the answer then you are stupid!

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse


If you think Stephon Heyer is the answer you are stupider...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse
Who the hell said anything about Heyer?
Where did that come from?
My response is to the J. Rieds headline that Clifton satifies the need for a Left Tackle.
That my freind is a stupid statment just like you saying Heyer is the answer to right tackle.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

There is absolutely nothing wrong with meeting with the top OT on the market, especially when OT is by far the biggest need on the team.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Great point psps... Think of all the people who would be complaining right now if we "didn't" meet with the best FA LT out there.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Red -- are you hung up about the money or the guy's age?

The money can be handled. Not an issue, as many have pointed out. Snyder's got plenty and there are ways to avoid it hitting a future cap.

Age -- yes, the Redskins need to rebuild. But, again, it might make sense for a rookie to start at RT and then in 2 years pick up the LT job. Meanwhile, during those 2 years, you continue to get younger through the draft and FA.

Rebuilding is not incompatible with signing Clifton. It just isn't. He's only 1 guy on a 53 man roster, and he's one of the more important guys.

Getting the Redskins straightened out is going to take time. You should be starting your old guys. The Redskins had too many old guys they weren't starting, many of whom were released yesterday.

But Clifton is going to be a starter. If he was brought in here to back up Levi Jones, then I'd agree with you.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Looking at the ages of the players of the REDSKINS OL......they definitely better not ignore the OL in the draft:

Clifton Age: 33
Rabach Age: 33
Dockery Age: 30
Heyer Age : 26
Rinehart Age: 25
Levi Jones Age: 30
Will Montgomery : 27
Mike Williams : 30"

Hey, goonie googoo...
Dude, that's an average age of 29! Not exactly ancient, imho. And they will def draft 2-3 (younger) OL to develop for the future. Pretty sure you don't want a bunch of 20-somethings (exclusively) on the line. If there's one position you need experience, strength, maturity, etc., it's the O line.

Posted by: fargincorksucker | March 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line and then pick up an offensive lineman. We have enough at the skill positions and on defense. Did I mention we need to find offensive lineman?

Posted by: KDSmallJr | March 5, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If skins sign Clifton thats alright but he has had injures plagued season including last year he is older then samuel and i dont know. we still need draft a ol guy in the 4th pick

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 5, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If skins sign Clifton thats alright but he has had injures plagued season including last year he is older then samuel and i dont know. we still need draft a ol guy in the 4th pick

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 5, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Cliffy is THIRTY-THREE and on last gasp. He and Sexton are gunning for that last big contract .....

He's a $20M band-aid...which means a perfect fit for The Snydermen....

Posted by: mjapr | March 5, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

FANTASTIC!!! If we can get him I'll be just what the doctor ordered.. Also clears up the Redskins to make a move on QB in the draft... Campbell has to go but I have to say I was one of those who thought Colt should get a shot (still like him to be on the team and maybe start the season)... But the more and more I think about it the more I think the Skins should make a move to get Clausen. Who knows where the Skins draft next year.. If Clausen can be that franchise QB (which a lot of people say he can be) we have to pull the tigger and get him...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 5, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Getting a quality Vet OLman is a good idea, and allowing them more flexibility in the draft definitely helps, just as long as they take care of the O line first. Regarding a certain CB's comments and feelings on his tender, I was just as upset to see Carlos Rogers get tendered as he was, maybe more. He has not proven himself to be an elite Corner, and they only tendered him in an attempt to get the first round pick they used on him back. More likely it would leave him unattractive to other teams. Why would you give up a first round pick for a corner who can't keep up with the majority of receivers in the leaugue? He also likes to think he's a ball hawk, playing for the ball rather than defending, rarely ending up with the ball, usually on his a$$ watching the reciever advance or score. His attitude/arrogance is ridiculous... Hey, 'Los, where's all that talent you were touted to have coming out of school? More likely, remnants of Vinnie's extraordinarily silly evaluation skills...

Posted by: BillStoner | March 5, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Clifton would be big? Really?
Seriously what is wrong with Jason Reid? Clifton is a 33-year-old OL. That's hardly big. It's just really old. That's a season ending injury waiting to happen. Reid what the heck is goin on with you brother??!!

Posted by: dovelevine | March 5, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

CHAD CLIFTON IS 34 YEARS OLD! What's the upside on this? Is this an upgrade? The Redskins don't need another over the hill washout who's just seeking to soak up one more big paycheck. Yikes, you people scare me.

Posted by: ShovelPlease | March 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

e. williams should be on the list of washingtons o-lineman as a matter of fact he should challenge for the starting center job(rabach is horrible). as for clifton he did a nice job for GB coming back after a injury but he is NO long term solution at 33/34yrs, this team must draft a left and rt this year(if they can drop down in the draft)they can't keep levi jones and clifton one of them will be cut I was hoping the jones could win the rt job and draft a rt then release heyer..one thing I know for sure if heyer and rabach are starters in 2010(with or without clifton)the o-line will still be weak and campbell or whatever qb will get HIT ALOT.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 5, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

p1fnk is right. QB Rodgers was sacked more when Clifton was out. Line stabilized afterward. Get Clifton, front load his contract.
If Okung is gone at 4, trade down, get Bruce Campbell and Mike Iuapati.
Let Rinehart or Montgomery spell Rabach at center.
With 4th rnd pick get a cover corner.
With 5th rnd pick get a RB. Shanny is good for this.
Sign FS Antrel Rolle for front loaded dollars as well. Move Laron Landry to SS.
Voila! SUPER BOWL IN 2 YEARS!
CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!

Posted by: bigchocolate221 | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

TELL ME WHY ARE WE ABOUT TO SIGN A 34 INJURY PRONE REJECT AT LT???? WE NEED TO GO INTO THE DRAFT AND SIGN AN LT AND PLACE HIM THERE FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS THIS IS BULL!!!!!! I LIKE THE NEW FISCAL SPENDING POLICY THE REDSKINS ARE USING FOR FA'S BUT COME ON 34 YEAR OLD LT AND THIS DRAFT IS DEEP WITH LT JUST PLAIN OLD STUPID!!!!!!!

Posted by: c_note_70 | March 5, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Clifton is too old at 33 to pay big bucks for. The Skins first pick "MUST" be for a young left tackle. Javid Best RB from Cal would be a nice 2nd pick up if available. The skins should trade the 4th 1st round and their 2nd round pick to get 2 mid round 1st picks.

Posted by: Stevie-J | March 5, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to take the best player at #4. If Bradford is there I think he'll be the pick. If the Rams take him I would take Okung since Clifton is a 2 year player at best.

Trading down is easier said then done. Unless Bradford is there I can't see to many teams trying to move up.

Posted by: skinsFan74 | March 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't sign Clifton if it means passing on Okung at 4. No QB in this year's draft is worth that pick.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 5, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I like Campbell and I'd like to see him get a shot behind a decent line. This signing looks bad to me from a couple of angles, first, your going old on the line again AND it's a guy from the line that led the league in giving up sacks! What does that address? Second, even if you think they need a quarterback, there's not a quarterback in this draft that's worthy of a #4 pick! The only one that's even close, (probably the only one that's worthy of a first round pick), is injured and can't do a full work out before the draft!

Posted by: drfunknsoul | March 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Clifton is only a short term solution; Draft Okung to anchor the line for many years to come. You sign Clifton if he is a missing piece on an already established team. We are not an established team. We are a team that needs to be blown-up and start from scratch. This just looks like an excuse to pass Okung and go with either future injury-bust Bradford (at least that would be the case with him on the 'Skins) and future talent-bust Brady Quinn II (b/c, you know, Notre Dame prepares its QBs for the NFL).

Can we please just trade our best assets Cooley and Moss for high picks to rebuild; and Portis if anyone is stupid enough; and Landry b/c frankly he annoys me with his inability to cover + gloating after EVERY tackle; and Carlos Rogers b/c a cornerback in the 6th or 7th round is probably just as good, and less whiny.

Posted by: mcgratsp | March 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

wow you really want to sign a 34 yo left tackle....go get a guy that will be here for a while in the draft with the 4th pick...

Posted by: bigdummy1 | March 5, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As a Packer fan, I hope you DO sign Clifton. Please, take him off our hands. Don't be misled by the GB O-Line alleged improvement in the second half of the season. It was mostly Rodgers learning how to deal with no protection. H---, even old-man Mark Tauscher, off the injured-retired scrap heap, did more for GB than did Clifton.

Posted by: wotansdad | March 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

We just cut a 34 yr old who could not stay healthy but we want to spend 7mil for a 34 yr old that is having a problem staying healthy ??? I know we have problems on the line but this washes itself out. Draft a bookend (Left tackle) in the damn first round.... last time we did that, they lasted 10 years and did a good job!

Posted by: rvanags | March 5, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

yes. forget the draft, let's sign an old veteran player. next year, when he's even older, we can just sign another player. who needs the draft at all?

why didn't the redskins think of this brilliant strategy before? oh, wait...

Posted by: cavemandave | March 5, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

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