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Posted at 5:17 PM ET, 11/29/2010

Former RB Eric Shelton sues NFL pension plan

By Mark Maske

Updated: 7:34 p.m.

Former Washington Redskins running back Eric Shelton sued the NFL's pension plan Monday in federal court in Baltimore, seeking increased disability payments for a spinal injury he suffered from a hit to his helmet in an intrasquad scrimmage with the Redskins during training camp in the summer of 2008.

Shelton, 27, receives disability payments from the plan but is seeking the increased payments that would accompany a finding that he was unable to work soon after the completion of his NFL career.

His request for increased benefits was denied by the pension plan, which is administered jointly by the league and the NFL Players Association. The plan's retirement board cited Shelton's work at a pharmacy last year.

The lawsuit by Shelton, who also played for the Carolina Panthers, comes at a time when the NFL is in its first full season of operating under the revised guidelines that it put in place last season for players who suffer head injuries. This season, league officials strengthened their enforcement of existing rules prohibiting hits to the helmet of a player deemed to be in a defenseless position during a game.

"The NFL has been very public on this issue," Shelton's attorney, Cy Smith, said in a telephone interview Monday. "That's what they say. But what do they do when one of these players seeks benefits for the effects of one of these hits?"

Smith said that Shelton currently receives disability payments of approximately $100,000 per year and is seeking to increase those payments to about $200,000 annually.

Douglas W. Ell, an attorney for the pension plan, said in a written statement that Shelton currently receives the proper level of compensation for his injury and is not entitled, under the parameters of the plan, to the increased payments he's seeking.

"Last August, the plan's Retirement Board unanimously found Mr. Shelton to be totally and permanently disabled as a result of NFL football activities, including a helmet blow sustained during a July 2008 scrimmage with the Washington Redskins," Ell said in a statement. "As a result, Mr. Shelton is currently receiving total and permanent disability ('T&P') benefits of $110,000 per year.

"The plan has four different categories of full T&P benefits. The lawsuit requests that Mr. Shelton be placed in the highest category, which in part applies where a player is unable to work immediately following his NFL career. Mr. Shelton worked at a pharmacy until April 2009."

Shelton was drafted by the Panthers in 2005 and signed with the Redskins in January 2008. His lawsuit says that he was injured when he received a helmet-to-helmet hit during a Redskins' intra-squad scrimmage on July 26, 2008, causing "a permanent and disabling narrowing of his spinal column."

The lawsuit says that Shelton "has suffered continuously since July 26, 2008 from migraine headaches, transient paralysis, transient paresthesias (abnormal feelings in his extremities), and other neurological and related disorders and has been unable to work."

According to the lawsuit, Shelton lost all feeling in his extremities for about a minute following the hit. The following day he was numb from the waist down and had "noticeable neck stiffness," according to his lawsuit.

Shelton's lawsuit says that he worked for "a brief stint" at Walgreens last year but quit the job because he couldn't stand the pain of being on his feet.

A letter sent to Shelton in August by the pension plan informed him that the plan's retirement board" agreed that you are totally and permanently disabled due to your cervical spine condition, which arose out of League football activities."

But the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, said that Shelton qualified for disability payments under a "football degenerative" category. He did not qualify for the increased payments under an "active football" category, the letter said, citing Shelton's work at Walgreens until April 2009.

"The Retirement Board found that your employment is incompatible with a finding of total and permanent disability during the 'shortly after' period required for the Active Football category," the letter to Shelton said. "The retirement Board concluded that the absence of medical evidence of total and permanent disability during the twelve months after July 26, 2008 combined with your actual employment during that period, precludes a finding that you qualify for the Active Football category."

Smith previously represented the estate of former Pittsburgh Steelers center Mike Webster in a successful case against the NFL's pension plan.

"I'm a little surprised, but I probably shouldn't be," Smith said. "The history there is that the pension plan will fight you every step of the way. It really shouldn't be that way."

Former Redskins running back Eric Shelton sued the NFL's pension plan in federal court in Baltimore Monday, seeking full disability payments for a spinal injury he said he suffered in an intra-squad scrimmage during training camp in 2008.

Shelton's representatives said he has been offered partial benefits and was informed that his benefits were reduced because his injuries did not immediately disable him.

Shelton, who also played for the Carolina Panthers, is seeking full disability benefits, plus compensation for the benefits that he previously was denied, according to a statement issued by his lawyers.

They said he was injured on a helmet-to-helmet hit and was temporarily paralyzed. He subsequently has suffered from "transient paralysis, memory loss, Parkinsonism, blurred vision, and impairments to his neck and hands, and is unable to work," according to the statement.

"The lawsuit is sad, but necessary," said attorney Cy Smith, who represents Shelton. "This is a classic case of the NFL saying one thing but doing another."

Douglas W. Ell, an attorney for the NFL's pension plan, said in a written statement: "Last August, the plan's Retirement Board unanimously found Mr. Shelton to be totally and permanently disabled as a result of NFL football activities, including a helmet blow sustained during a July 2008 scrimmage with the Washington Redskins. As a result, Mr. Shelton is currently receiving total and permanent disability ('T&P') benefits of $110,000 per year.

"The plan has four different categories of full T&P benefits. The lawsuit requests that Mr. Shelton be placed in the highest category, which in part applies where a player is unable to work immediately following his NFL career. Mr. Shelton worked at a pharmacy until April 2009."

Smith previously represented the estate of former Pittsburgh Steelers center Mike Webster in a case against the NFL's pension plan. Webster's family won increased payments in a federal appeals court decision in 2006.

By Mark Maske  | November 29, 2010; 5:17 PM ET
 
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Comments

Posted by: zcezcest1

You can tell when that is about to happen. It comes right after the the second half kickoff.


Well, yes it does.

I'd say defensive coordinators go into half time saying, "The redskins can't sustain a running game, so let's attack McNabb and press his receivers to throw their offense out of whack."

"We should get a lot of three and outs."

And you know what?

They do.

We get a running game to go with our improving passing game, and our overall offense will improve, especially in the second half of games.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a sad case ... but the NFL has never done right by its retired players -- many who leave the game with significant health issues. Not even close. Me, I'd request that 10% of all payroll go into a retired players fund. That would be a lot of money ... but its the right thing to do.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The 2010 Washington Redskin Scrap Heap:

Larry Johnson

Willie Parker

Joey Galloway

Devin Thomas

Derrick Dockery (headed there?)

Chad Rhinehart

Marko Mitchell

...this is a list that will continue to grow...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I love how people complain about this team and how they aren't going to make playoffs. If you knew anything about football you would know this team was no way going to be 10-6 with its roster. MS said it in training camp that this is an
8-8 team. Wake up, we aren't ready to win these so called "sleeper games". Until your considered a good team by the rest of the leugue you are their "sleeper games"

Posted by: patljr7 | November 29, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

You're inhaling glue, funk.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, but it's some nice glue.

If I sustain permanent injuries sniffing glue up here, does RI extend benefits to me?

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Time to run the table again. All of the games left on the schedule are winnable, given that Monty plays center and Heyer at RG.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Time to run the table again. All of the games left on the schedule are winnable, given that Monty plays center and Heyer at RG.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse


If anyone out there thinks we've taken a step forward from last season on our Oline, consider this:

Fans are asking for Stephon Heyer to be inserted in the starting lineup.

...just think about that for a while.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse


Time to run the table again. All of the games left on the schedule are winnable, given that Monty plays center and Heyer at RG.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse


If anyone out there thinks we've taken a step forward from last season on our Oline, consider this:

Fans are asking for Stephon Heyer to be inserted in the starting lineup.

...just think about that for a while.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

He looks much better at guard than he ever did at tackle.

Same with Leonard Davis and Robert Gallery(sp?).

Rabach just stinks and Montgomery looks much stronger.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Time to run the table again. All of the games left on the schedule are winnable, given that Monty plays center and Heyer at RG.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Now that is some serious sunshine, sunshine.

I'll pick us to win every game for the rest of the season only because that's what I do. 10-6 here we come. But I'm 5-6 picking Skins games this year.

HOWEVER, if I was injected with truth serum (Johnnie Walker Blue) I'd say we lose out. We will be underdogs the rest of the season and the two games against the Giants have the Philly debacle written all over em. Our OL against a dominant DL, our DL against a good OL.

Enjoy Glee tonight, sunshine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Now that is some serious sunshine, sunshine.

I'll pick us to win every game for the rest of the season only because that's what I do. 10-6 here we come. But I'm 5-6 picking Skins games this year.

HOWEVER, if I was injected with truth serum (Johnnie Walker Blue) I'd say we lose out. We will be underdogs the rest of the season and the two games against the Giants have the Philly debacle written all over em. Our OL against a dominant DL, our DL against a good OL.

Enjoy Glee tonight, sunshine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for 10-6, and I think it can happen.

BTW Glee is on tomorrow night sunshine.

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

From Ewoldt @ HogsHaven

There are so many different headlines I could have gone with. Another one I couldn't quite nail down involved Favre's junk and the Redskins defense both being equally enjoyable to look at.

I don't know about you, but Favre scrambling 10 yards for the game clinching first down was as insulting as it gets. Just as that happened, the red zone channel was showing the Giants doing a sack fumble to win the game. A guy that was born in 1969 was able to get through people half his age. Lorenzo Alexander made a horrible decision to go in coverage and multiple Redskins were looking the wrong direction. That 10 yard Favre scramble was longer than any of the 13 (yes, 13) Redskins' pathetic rushes.

When do we throw in the towel with this defense? Ma'ake Kemoeatu was consistently getting pushed 5+ yards backwards. Haynesworth is used about one third as much as he should. I know in two to three years when I talk to players about this defense they're going to say they knew it wouldn't work.

The Redskins seem to lose games more than they do get beaten. Here's all the plays I threw my remote across the room on...

Moss puts a perfectly thrown ball in the air giving the Vikings the ball in our red zone.

Perry Riley blocks a guy in the back who was out of the play anyway. Brandon Banks now has 2 punt returns taken off the board from penalties.

The very next play McNabb gets sacked and THREE Redskins offensive lineman were on the ground. How is that possible??

The long bomb to Anthony Armstrong was under thrown. He was wide open, yet #13 has to fall down to catch it. Another touchdown off the board.

If I had told you Adrian Peterson would get knocked out in the first half and the Redskins STILL would lose....would you have believed me?

The dropped balls. Moss, Cooley, Armstrong, James Davis. How does this happen?

How did the ref miss the facemask penalty on Banks punt return?

Byron Westbrook is fantastic gunner on Special Teams. He's always standing next the the PR when he catches the ball.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Now that is some serious sunshine, sunshine.

I'll pick us to win every game for the rest of the season only because that's what I do. 10-6 here we come. But I'm 5-6 picking Skins games this year.

HOWEVER, if I was injected with truth serum (Johnnie Walker Blue) I'd say we lose out. We will be underdogs the rest of the season and the two games against the Giants have the Philly debacle written all over em. Our OL against a dominant DL, our DL against a good OL.

Enjoy Glee tonight, sunshine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for 10-6, and I think it can happen.

BTW Glee is on tomorrow night sunshine.

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

oops

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:27 PM

Problem with that is that Tenn is an AFC team that runs a 4-3 of undersized DL that is perfect for our athletic but undersized finesse blocking scheme. The Vikings, Giants and most of the NFC employ men on the DL that have never heard of the show Glee.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:27 PM

Problem with that is that Tenn is an AFC team that runs a 4-3 of undersized DL that is perfect for our athletic but undersized finesse blocking scheme. The Vikings, Giants and most of the NFC employ men on the DL that have never heard of the show Glee.


Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The Giants D-line is pretty small, they like to use 3 or 4 D-ends sometimes.

And who HASN'T heard of Glee?

LOSERS...that's who!

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

LOSERS...that's who!

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:38 PM

I resemble that. After all I'm on a Loser blog everyday discussing a BELOW average football with below average talent that I expect to win every week.

Every week we are the least talented team on the field and when you need all of the stars to align perfectly to assure a win, more times than not it's not going to happen.

Shanahan should be in the running for COY considering we are 5-6 with this roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The 2010 Washington Redskin Scrap Heap:

Larry Johnson

Willie Parker

Joey Galloway

Devin Thomas

Derrick Dockery (headed there?)

Chad Rhinehart

Marko Mitchell

...this is a list that will continue to grow...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 5:29 PM

I think I'd add JC-17 to that heap...


And if they dislike Dockery that much, and he's hurt, put him on IR and bring up Cooke. It's December and we're heading down NFC East Showdown Alley, so having some big boys on the front line will only help. Lichyourmom and Rollbach are just gonna get crushed out there.

Get your 5 biggest O linemen, hook up the sleigh and let's roll. Get a helmet on the guy in front of you and push. We can talk about zone blocking next year...

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Greedy owners. Greedy, stupid owners. The NFL is NOT a shrewd business consortium. It's wealth is derived, mainly, by cheating its customers (fans) and employees (players).

They cheat people in ways other industries could never get away with. Employees are required by law to protect their employees from injury and, when they do get injured, they are required to compensate them fairly for their disabilities. Most businesses are smart enough to do so, for the most part, without lawyering up.

Only the NFL has the audacity to circumvent the law. The SCOTUS recently declined to hear a case in which the NFL contended that state employment laws do not apply to them. Furthermore, what other employer is allowed to unilaterally fine its employees at their whim over actions that are incredibly subjective?

They cheat people in a manner that other businesses would consider foolish. Remember the writer's guild strike in Hollywood a few years ago? Most of the folks in that industry understood that their product came from exceptionally talented, dedicated people. Many enterprises consider their employees experience and talents to be their best assets. Another example is the financial industry.

Why the salary cap? Customers want to see world-class athletes, but the NFL prefers an institution that avoids competition for talent among its franchises.

Why the TV blackouts? The sport is supposedly made for TV, yet the league thinks it can create demand for nosebleed seats with inferior market value.

The NFL is beginning its decline. Here's to baseball making a comeback.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

And if they dislike Dockery that much, and he's hurt, put him on IR and bring up Cooke. It's December and we're heading down NFC East Showdown Alley, so having some big boys on the front line will only help. Lichyourmom and Rollbach are just gonna get crushed out there.

Get your 5 biggest O linemen, hook up the sleigh and let's roll. Get a helmet on the guy in front of you and push. We can talk about zone blocking next year...

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

And Diesel, it's all winners on this blog.

It's not over til the fat lady sings, and we have 5 games to go boys.

The playoffs start for us against the Giants!

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is beginning its decline. Here's to baseball making a comeback.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 6:59 PM |

By all means, go watch that boring ass sport and leave the men alone. I stopped watching baseball before hair ever started growing in "other" places. Why? Because it's a child's sport played by children for children. Say what you want but I prefer to have an element of surprise and adventure instead of having 2 or 3 teams buy up all the talent and end up in the postseason EVERY year, only to lose and have some team no one cares about play in a series no one is watching. You can have your baseball, I (and by ratings and sales numbers) and most of America would rather have a real sport.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we'll be fine.

So long as the teams we play roll out the saps on Tennessee's Dline and start Rusty Smith.

Then I give us a fighting chance at 10-6.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I must add that the NFL's dumb policies have contributed to the Redskins' decline. The Redskins used to be among the most profitable franchises in pro-sports.

You'd think the league would try to preserve it's most lucrative revenue sources. Instead, they punish Redskins fans, who spend fortunes on season tickets, in order to preserve unprofitable franchises in Minnesota, Jacksonville, and a number of other markets (Tennessee? Atlanta? Buffalo?), I'm sure. LA can support 2 baseball teams, 2 basketball teams, a hockey team, but not a football team?

The owners of the underachieving franchises get the same influence over the leagues' policies as the successful ones. As a result, the NFL has lost a generation of Redskins fans. That's many more customers than they've gained in their attempts to "grow the league".

Idiots.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse


hay gyies, wah'ts da laytist newws ???

Posted by: hessone | November 29, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok. I just read the post/comments from Carlos Rogers regarding the fans at FedEx.

That stupid feet-for-hands bust needs to just be off of this team. I hope we let him walk after this season. He's done nothing so far to deserve a meaningful extension; the story for him is how badly he's been overshadowed by DHall's playmaking ability.

Extend Philip Buchanon for a couple years and draft a corner or something. Just end this Carlos Rogers nonsense once and for all.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

jboogie1

Not sure I get either of your rants. The Skins have every opportunity to be successful. They spent $100million on Albert Haynesworth, San Diego spent that on Philip Rivers. Is there any comparison?

The Skins drafted Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, the iggles grabbed desean jackson in between those 2 guys and Ray Rice went just a few spots after Kelly

We grabbed LaRon Landry, Minny used the next pick to get Adrian Peterson.

We traded away the 21st pick in the 2008 draft ... Chris Johnson went 24th.

Its true 32 capitalist owners get together and vote socialist ... but that is because they do have a clue on how to run their businesses. There is considerable value in having the smaller fan bases able to support successful teams.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 29, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Our D-Line is TOO SLOW, man...Haslett and FO have to wake up to the modern day reality of defenses..Orakpo is the only quick guy, BUT HE'S A LINEBACKER!! (3-4, remember?)..We need some elongated African Crocodiles that will react quickly to the ball..And Laron Landry , please come back soon...Those guys up front are SLOW AS H*LL , maybe good against the run (but, occasionally), but not QUICK ENOUGH!!! PUTTING THE OPPOSING QUARTERBACK ON HIS BACK IS ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THIS LEAGUE!!! And FAVRE RUNNING FOR A GAME-WINNING FIRST-DOWN, AND VICK RUNNING ROUGH-SHOD

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

@scampbell:

Try not to hurt anyone with those infernal, electric, asteroids of manhood that you secrete while watching football games on a work night.

The NFL is heading for a lockout and blacking out TV broadcasts while MLB is closing the revenue gap.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have KURT GOUVEIA's email add

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 5:36 PM

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hay gyies, wah'ts da laytist newws ???

Posted by: hessone | November 29, 2010 7:26 PM |

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Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty blog from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his post upon the board
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 29, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse


Mike Shanahan not sure who will start at RB


That's encouraging!

If your gonna list the guys we put on the scrapheap, you should list the guys we got off the scrapheap

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 29, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

When do we throw in the towel with this defense?

We pointed out the failures of the redskin defense this morning, and some folks took issue with it.

Again: switching to the 3-4 wasn't the problem.

Planning for possible personnel issues was:

--last offseason some plan should been put in place to find Andre Carter a new team for picks (he came off an 11 sack season as a rush end, remember)

--yes, he tries hard, but yesterday, Lo Alexander showed why we need a REAL outside linebacker

--Larry Foote or Joey Porter should've been shown the money to play opposite Brian Orakpo as the 3-4 works with two monstah outside linebackers

--depending on Albert Haynesworth to play nose guard was a silly idea and not trading him to TENN for a fourth rounder a month ago was a dumb idea

--whatever happened to Adam Carriker?

--teams are running right at Kedric Golston when he plays end and are getting yards: he's a tackle, remember, not a defensive end

--waiting until injuries at the FS position to consider converting the third rounder Kevin Barnes to the position is another lapse in personnel logic

Presently, we have the 32nd defense in the league and unlike the case last year in Green Bay, it's not showing signs of mastering the scheme.

We can't go no lower, so perhaps it's time to admit that despite the best intentions of Mr. Haslett, it's time to 'switch up.'

We gave up the 'amoeba' defense.

Perhaps we should silently end the 3-4 switch the final 5 games and put the best people in the best scheme for this team:

The 4-3.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

chia-pet

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,...

(INSERT image of Moe tossing out a red challenge flag)

Referencing 'MacBeth' without acknowledging the source is a penalty on this 'petty blog'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

@scampbell:

Try not to hurt anyone with those infernal, electric, asteroids of manhood that you secrete while watching football games on a work night.

The NFL is heading for a lockout and blacking out TV broadcasts while MLB is closing the revenue gap.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 7:47 PM |

You really are as clueless as you sound. No wonder you like baseball, football is just waaaay too complicated for your little mind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse


Chia_Pest

Posted by: hessone | November 29, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The Skins drafted Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, the iggles grabbed desean jackson in between those 2 guys and Ray Rice went just a few spots after Kelly

We grabbed LaRon Landry, Minny used the next pick to get Adrian Peterson.

We traded away the 21st pick in the 2008 draft ... Chris Johnson went 24th.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 29, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

How many yards did Chris Johnson have against the Redskins last week? I wasn't able to watch yesterday's game, but I recall Clinton Portis out-gaining Peterson the last time they met.

Think ANY of those players could succeed in DC? Not behind this offensive line. Landry may have been a better pick than Peterson. They're both athletes that don't come around often.

As for DeSean Jackson, he's a flash in the pan. Defenses will eventually find a way to contain Vick. Even if he becomes the next Randy Moss, who cares? How many championships has Moss won?

To illustrate my point, New England had two discontent players this year: Randy Moss and Logan Mankins, a guard. Mankins held out.

Despite Moss' aggrandized ablility to take over games, Moss was the expendable one. The lesson? Uncelebrated, unglamorous linemen are far more valuable than accomplished, household-name recievers.

Andy Reid hasn't won a championship. I'm guessing when he leaves Philly, people will say "The only reason he won anything at all was because he had McNabb."

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Cards v 49ers

Looked good on paper when the schedule was announced, now- not so much.

I'll be watching but I fall into the Gambling, Fantasy Football, football adict category.

Cards +1, O/U 41.5.

I've got the 49ers and the Over and I need 24pts from Fitz, Gore, and V. Davis. I love football.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

How many yards did Chris Johnson have against the Redskins last week?

120

I wasn't able to watch yesterday's game, but I recall Clinton Portis out-gaining Peterson the last time they met.

Well, it's been over two yards as AP has outgained CP since then.

Defenses will eventually find a way to contain Vick. Even if he becomes the next Randy Moss, who cares? How many championships has Moss won?

Err, Mike Vick is a quarterback and Randy Moss a receiver. And neither has a ring, just like CP doesn't.

Uncelebrated, unglamorous linemen are far more valuable than accomplished, household-name recievers.

I feel this way right up until I see highlights of Jerry Rice taking a 5 yard slant pass 80 yards into the end zone.

But I get your point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have every opportunity to be successful.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 29, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

They have just as much opportunity as every other team in the league. Don't forget about those other 31 teams that vy for the best players.

Bottom line is this- I hear/read about more and more Dallas/Pittsburgh...Buffalo/Atlanta/Jacksonville fans and fewer Skins fans at Fedex Field.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

How many YDs did CJ have against a bad Texans D yesterday?

5 YDs, I know because he's on my FF team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for 10-6, and I think it can happen.

BTW Glee is on tomorrow night sunshine.

Use the O-line we had against Tenn. and we will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 29, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

1) The OL configuration used against TN won't work everywhere else. The Titans' DTs are quicker but not as massive and strong as most other DTs. Tackles aren't built for that.

2) I'm pulling for 10-6, too, even if they don't make it past the first round. It's unlikely, but that's why I don't bet money on Redskins games.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Zip the lip, Dundee.

We had a contract
and it didn't involve no bloody roo.

I had to come all the way down here
to the sphincter of the galaxy ... to straighten out this
puked-up fur ball of a mess.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Get your 5 biggest O linemen, hook up the sleigh and let's roll. Get a helmet on the guy in front of you and push. We can talk about zone blocking next year...

Posted by: edvar |

Actually that IS zone blocking. But you make a point. Skins line won't win consistently if Shanahan insists on his Denver model of light, mobile OLinemen.

In the NFC East, those guys are called "lunch."

Posted by: TheCork | November 29, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Jackson is benefitting from the fact that teams haven't yet figured out what to do with Vick.

Teams will soon start using 5 or 6 DBs against the Eagles. Safeties and cornerbacks can catch Vick if he rushes and cover Jackson.

Not that teams don't know this. They just aren't used to preparing for it.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 29, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Get your 5 biggest O linemen, hook up the sleigh and let's roll. Get a helmet on the guy in front of you and push. We can talk about zone blocking next year...

Posted by: edvar |

Actually that IS zone blocking. But you make a point. Skins line won't win consistently if Shanahan insists on his Denver model of light, mobile OLinemen.

In the NFC East, those guys are called "lunch."

Posted by: TheCork | November 29, 2010 8:34 PM

So mauling the guy in front of you is zone blocking?

Awesome.

So why all the little linemen? Let's get the big dogs out there and make some noise already!

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I've got the 49ers and the Over and I need 24pts from Fitz, Gore, and V. Davis. I love football.

Posted by: Diesel44

Lost at fantasy, waaay out of the office pick 'em, and gave up betting.

And I'm watching this crap.

I love football too.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

... an entry
Posted by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 29, 2010 7:54 PM |

You mean like

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 7:56 PM |

?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 29, 2010 7:54 PM

dat's beautiferous.

Out out dam trolls.

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but it's some nice glue.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 5:37 PM |

It's ass-gas you retard.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

And I'm watching this crap.

I love football too.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 8:43 PM |

True dat. Zona v SF = crap.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching the game? Reminds me, where's Linart?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Watch the Skins trade McNabb, even up, for Derek Anderson.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 29, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching the game? Reminds me, where's Linart?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 29, 2010 8:58 PM |

He housed in Housetown ain't he?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

(thanks for the rant censor/cut-off, Post, did I tell you you guys suck??)

"Why the salary cap? Customers want to see world-class athletes, but the NFL prefers an institution that avoids competition for talent among its franchises.

Why the TV blackouts? The sport is supposedly made for TV, yet the league thinks it can create demand for nosebleed seats with inferior market value.

The NFL is beginning its decline. Here's to baseball making a comeback.

Posted by: jboogie1"

Salary cap= keep lower level teams like Buffalo afloat for the NFL socialism shared revenues

TV blackouts= generate scarcity to increase demand (see "New D.C. downtown architecture +homelessness"); ultimately the failure of capitalism, as greed will cause the capitalist system to eat itself..NO to TV blackouts

Football in the exploitive, no National Health Insurance capitalism may very well be outdated and headed for it's doom (like playgrounds, because the a**hole insurance agency is too greedy to pay out for injured kids)..

Of course , all of the Rich and their banks are socialist by nature (BAILOUTS!! DEFENSE SUBSIDIES!!) , but the idea is to keep the poor down by letting THEM live in a cutthroat state of Social Darwinism, NOT the permanently affixed vultures of Washington and Wall Street that look down on their Main Street, USA victims..

Can someone please fix the offensive line??

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Where is Lionheart?

Where he belongs..In a hot tub with 3 coeds

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow frak, you really are stupid. I mean north 40, tin foil hat wearing, nose pickin', short bus ridin', straight jacket needin' stupid. Just dumb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

So what if both are 3-7? In the NFC West, tonight's winner will be only one game out of first.

The Ramsters have had a lot of high draft picks and for the most part struck out until they happened upon Brad. Spags is doin it in St Louie.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Where he belongs..In a hot tub with 3 coeds

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 9:05 PM |

Are you sayin he ain't got no work ethnic?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow frak, you really are stupid. I mean north 40, tin foil hat wearing, nose pickin', short bus ridin', straight jacket needin' stupid. Just dumb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:09 PM |

He a gimp?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please fix the offensive line??

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 9:05 PM |

Which one - OL or DL? Mebbe both?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

He a gimp?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:22 PM

Honestly, I don't think there is a word that can accurately describe how lacking in intellect frak truely is. I mean just tard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Where he belongs..In a hot tub with 3 coeds

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 9:05 PM |

Are you sayin he ain't got no work ethnic?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:15 PM |


He's probably the 3rd best football player in that tub.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Truely sums it up nicely.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

He's probably the 3rd best football player in that tub.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 29, 2010 9:24 PM |

4th best QB, no?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Are we gonna be the speeling poliice tunite SMACK?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Which one - OL or DL? Mebbe both?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:23 PM

I vote for both.

...and toss in a couple of LB's, a shut down CB, a FS, a couple of RB's, a WR or 2 and a QB for the future.

I think that covers it.

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

and a QB for the future.

I think that covers it.

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 9:27 PM |

How do the Skins get Andy Luck?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

and a QB for the future.

I think that covers it.

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 9:27 PM |

How do the Skins get Andy Luck?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:29 PM

Loose out and use the first round pick on him.

I'm not advocating that, but it might work.

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

How do the Skins get Andy Luck?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 9:29 PM

Somehow mortgage the future yet again and move up to the 1st overall pick.

Or maybe the NFL will implement a lottery system with ping pong balls and we get lucky.

That's it, that's the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Guilty as a PG County sherriff! Just busting your chops Scamp. I was wondering who I'd piss off first. But when playing the tard card, you probably shouldn't misspell the five-letter ones.

No suspensions for an outright brawl. Guys are suspended for questionable contact.

Goodell really is a clown.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Guilty as a PG County sherriff! Just busting your chops Scamp. I was wondering who I'd piss off first. But when playing the tard card, you probably shouldn't misspell the five-letter ones.

No suspensions for an outright brawl. Guys are suspended for questionable contact.

Goodell really is a clown.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:34 PM |

There is a great chasm between a quick mispelling and the time it takes to type out an incoherent, babbling rant like fraks in terms of tardosity. I have never made any excuses for my lack of spelling, after all I'm an architect not a useless English major.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah we liberal arts majors used to totally kick the english majors' ass in the Bic White Out Useless Bowl every year.

Just kidding man. Really. And I did appreciate the ironic misspelling of mispelling.

Thoughts on the fight penalties or goodell welcome.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

keep the faschi propaganda flowin', scamp/ Rove/ Goebbels...did you know Rove came from a Nazi SS family??...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the fight penalties or goodell welcome.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:49 PM |

Should have been suspensions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Crabtree just Mossed it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

keep the faschi propaganda flowin', scamp/ Rove/ Goebbels...did you know Rove came from a Nazi SS family??...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 9:53 PM |

See what I mean? Crack addled brain with raving paranoid delusions. Absolutely pathetic indictment of our failed educational system.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Suspensions?? Bullsh*t..As violent a sport as football is , its like hockey, they have go and then separate..Still the fine was exorbitant at 25K...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't criticize because it all might spelled correctly.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, the Post's internet attack dog on this site, always trys to take any argument against the corrupt nature of capital down to the lowest level of scatological insults, because he knows he can't win in a real rational even-tempered debate..Standard sh*t from Right-wing a**holes..

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Suspensions?? Bullsh*t..As violent a sport as football is , its like hockey, they have go and then separate..Still the fine was exorbitant at 25K...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:03 PM

Just what I would expect from a neanderthal with an IQ of 3. Wanna get violent? Get the ball and then run him over. Or hit the dude with the ball...within the scope of the game. Instead we'll act like little kids on the playground or felons locked up like animals. This ain't boxing. Wonder what would have happened to either of these players had this happened in a bar instead of on the field. Arrests? 4 game suspensions?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the fight penalties or goodell welcome.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 9:49 PM |

Should have been suspensions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Agree. That was some UFC type sh!t though. Goodell needs a reality check.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, the Post's internet attack dog on this site, always trys to take any argument against the corrupt nature of capital down to the lowest level of scatological insults, because he knows he can't win in a real rational even-tempered debate..Standard sh*t from Right-wing a**holes..

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:09 PM |

Funny to hear you mention rational, since you don't have a clue what that actually is. Funny that you talk about insults, since that's all that you do. So not only are you an intellectually disabled nazi, you're a hypocritical intellectually disabled nazi.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Crabtree just Mossed it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 9:59 PM |

Good one dude.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

real rational even-tempered debate..Standard sh*t from Right-wing a**holes..

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:09 PM |

Even tempered? What do you know about even tempered? But of course don't let logic and facts get in the way of your next pathetic, long winded, psychotic rant.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't criticize because it all might spelled correctly.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:07 PM |

Did you mean "it all might spread quickly"?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Goodell needs a reality check.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:12 PM

Wilbon was arguing on PTI tonight that there was no suspension because Tennessee is playing on the NFL Thursday night football game this week. Now, that's reality. Check?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, your boy was interviewed live on facebook…

The president. who infamously referred to the World Wide Web as "The Internets" on two separate occasions. managed to refrain from misusing the "I" word in this interview. When asked which technology he regularly used, however, he responded:

"I use the Facebook."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112905349.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

can't criticize because it all might spelled correctly.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:07 PM |

Did you mean "it all might spread quickly"?

Posted by: QuietTeeth

What is "How would you spend your time in prison?"

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, your boy was interviewed live on facebook…

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:20 PM

My boy? I have criticized Bush as much as anyone. He is far from "my boy."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

after all I'm an architect not a useless English major.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:39 PM |

What is your design for building a winning team?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, that could ring true but it's not like he'd be tossing CJ or anything. I don't think a starting corner not named Reevis is worth that kind of consideration.

And F Wilbon.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Scamp simple question. Would you vote for SarahTLC2012 over Obama?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

What is your design for building a winning team?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:26 PM

Start with the lines.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank Gawd fer "useless English majors" everwhere...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

My boy? I have criticized Bush as much as anyone. He is far from "my boy."
Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I know, but you're the first conservatively-minded individual that came to mind up here. I'm sure his financial policies didn't square with your views. I also didn't hate him as much as some others from the other side of the aisle did.

What the hell is a "snap infraction"?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

How sad is it that at 3-7, likely going to 4-7, the 49ers still have a good shot at fulfilling my pre-season prediction of winning the NFC West?

Has a division winner ever had a losing record in the regular season?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Scamp simple question. Would you vote for SarahTLC2012 over Obama?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:28 PM

I would vote Libertarian. They both scare the hell out of me. I'm more of a Libertarian than a Republican anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

after all I'm an architect not a useless English major.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 9:39 PM |

Is Howard Roark your role model?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I won't miss Wilbon either. Not because of Reapergate, but because of the genuine contempt he displayed to anyone who ever asked him a question he didn't feel like answering.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

O-line first, then QB, then D-line and flavors...

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I know, but you're the first conservatively-minded individual that came to mind up here. I'm sure his financial policies didn't square with your views. I also didn't hate him as much as some others from the other side of the aisle did.

What the hell is a "snap infraction"?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM |

What's funny is if you take spending compared to GDP Bush spent less than anybody since Reagan. But my view on that is just because the country makes more doesn't mean you should spend more. He spent too much and that hasn't changed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is a "snap infraction"?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:31 PM |

It's when you snap a wet towel on some dude's junk in the shower.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Albert Speer was a great architect, but he was still a Nazi tool, so F*** HEEM!!

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Libertarian = taking the day off

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Is Howard Roark your role model?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:32 PM |

Ha. Not quite. Although I like modern architecture and use it a lot I am also a big fan of tradition. As far as compromise? Well, if I want to feed the family and keep the business going I have to compromise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Libertarian = taking the day off

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:38 PM |

Libertarian = putting books back on the shelf.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I asked my wife to do the whole hot libertarian thing with the glasses, high collar blouse, and hair in a bun--the whole shabang.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Libertarian = taking the day off

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 29, 2010 10:38 PM

To me those choices are no choice at all. They both suck and I can't pick one over the other. To me that would be the epitome of "no one to vote for."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I asked my wife to do the whole hot libertarian thing with the glasses, high collar blouse, and hair in a bun--the whole shabang.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:40 PM |

Is her name Marion? Or mebbe Marian?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Ayn Rand references and objectivisim on RI. I never thought I'd see the day.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 29, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Libertarian = putting books back on the shelf.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 29, 2010 10:40 PM |

Better than burning them my friend.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: itkonlyyou407 | November 29, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

This board is rendered a**hole by Post hijacking of the political narrative, constant censorship, except that lobotomized tool scampbell...F*** YOU ANTI-DEMOCRACY CENSORSHIP A**HOLES!!!!

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

This board is rendered a**hole by Post hijacking of the political narrative, constant censorship, except that lobotomized tool scampbell...F*** YOU ANTI-DEMOCRACY CENSORSHIP A**HOLES!!!!

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 10:53 PM

Case in point 1) This board is rendered a**hole
---uh, what?

2)by Post hijacking of the political narrative, constant censorship, except that lobomized tool (me)
---again...what?

This guy makes no sense and can't even assemble coherent, no fractured sentences. Not to mention he wears a tin foil hat. And this makes it hysterical.

I rest my case. Jury?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

wish we got westbrook ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | November 29, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

...what in the hell has this blog turned into??????

Posted by: rachel216 | November 29, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

er non-fractured.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

We coulda had Westbrook instead we signed lj and Parker! Ugh! It woulda been perfect dnab and Westbrook back again...Ohh well woulda coulda shoulda!

How bout troy smith?!!!! Wow!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 29, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

We coulda had Westbrook instead we signed lj and Parker! Ugh! It woulda been perfect dnab and Westbrook back again...Ohh well woulda coulda shoulda!

How bout troy smith?!!!! Wow!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 29, 2010 11:06 PM |

No thanks to either

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

jboogie1 is a ass without a clue

Posted by: SkinEm1 | November 29, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

jboogie1 is a ass without a clue

Posted by: SkinEm1 | November 29, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

jboogie1 is a ass without a clue

Posted by: SkinEm1 | November 29, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

jboogie1 is a ass without a clue

Posted by: SkinEm1 | November 29, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The MNF crew answered my question shortly after I asked it. The answer is no, no sub-.500 team has ever won their division.


How about UVa knocking off Minnesota tonight on the Gophers' home court? Go Hoos!

Posted by: freakzilla | November 29, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Shelton is retarded! the $ hes getting is beyond enuff for his production in the nfl, im sorry i meant LACK of production. I mean seriously does anyone really believe he deserves more $? If you do your probaly related to jboogie's retarded family, cause they have no common sense either..

Posted by: SkinEm1 | November 29, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Damn, so much for the #13 Gophers...BACK TO YOUR HOLE, RODENT!!!

Posted by: frak | November 29, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

lmao lmao baseball making a comeback beating THE GREATSET SPORT IN THE WORLD AMERICAN NFL FOOTBALL LMAO LOLOL Lmao funniet thing I heard this year!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Peed my self a lil lol BASEBALL IS DEAD!! It's the most boring sport, most horrible crock of crap that's allowed on tv! IT WILL NEVER EVER AGAIN BEAT THE NFL THAT's A FACT! When a yankees PLAYOFF game Gets destroyed by a MNF BLOWOUT It's DEAD! Baseball is crap FOOTBALL IS A REAL MANS GAME! Lol lol mlb baseball beating out NFL football lmao lmao good one thank you for making my day more enjoyable!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | November 30, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

lmao lmao major league baseball making a comeback beating THE GREATSET SPORT IN THE WORLD AMERICAN NFL FOOTBALL LMAO LOLOL Lmao funniest thing I heard this year!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Peed my self a lil lol BASEBALL IS DEAD!! It's the most boring sport, most horrible crock of crap that's allowed on tv! IT WILL NEVER EVER AGAIN BEAT THE NFL THAT's A FACT! When a yankees PLAYOFF game Gets destroyed by a MNF BLOWOUT It's DEAD! Baseball is crap FOOTBALL IS A REAL MANS GAME! Lol lol mlb baseball beating out NFL football lmao lmao good one thank you for making my day more enjoyable! LOL I'd RATHER BE DRAGGED TO A COUNTRY MUSIC CONCERT FOR 3 and half hours then waste my time trying to stay awake during a mlb game!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | November 30, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse


F&!k HIM!!

Posted by: iubiquity | November 30, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

What We’ve Learned, 11/30/10

By John Keim


1. Cornerback Phillip Buchanon has been a good pickup » He’s showing that he is good as a No. 3 corner and can do well when pushed into the starting lineup. He was criticized in Houston for his coverage skills last season, but Buchanon has done an excellent job in both man and zone coverages. Buchanon leads the Redskins with 13 passes defensed and made two nice plays Sunday. Buchanon also has forced two fumbles, tied with London Fletcher for the team-high.

2. The running game would have to lead any sort of playoff run, which makes any sort of playoff run unlikely » The Redskins just aren’t equipped to have a consistent ground game, not with a line that isn’t great and with backs who are inexperienced. Sunday, James Davis stutter-stepped to some holes, looking indecisive on where he should cut. It’s hard for a guy who hasn’t played in a while to gain rhythm that fast. Or he would dodge defenders in the backfield. Ryan Torain’s return would help, but durability questions remain. They need to have enough of an attack to remain committed; otherwise, teams won’t bite on the play-action or bootlegs — as Minnesota did not.

3. The inability of the defensive line in the 3-4 front to get any sort of push made it tougher to stop the run Sunday » Their primary job is to keep the linebackers clean to make plays. But Minnesota succeeded in part because the linemen could get to the linebackers. It’s why Albert Haynesworth’s inability to adapt to a 3-4 has set this defense back. They have try-hard guys up front, but they also need one who scares a line. It’s a big reason why Minnesota could still run well with Toby Gerhart instead of Adrian Peterson.

4. The Redskins will have a decision to make after the season regarding right tackle Jammal Brown » At best he’s shown that he can be serviceable. The problem Brown faces is that his health — and specifically his hip — likely will remain an issue. Brown struggles to bend his knees enough, getting in trouble because he bends more at the hip. And his mobility is restricted. He’s unrestricted after this season.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/redskins/2010/11/what-we-ve-learned-113010#ixzz16lKP1CIm

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 30, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

LMAO LMAO STILL CAN't STOP LAUGHING LOL LOL mlb SUCKS!!!! BASEBALL IS ALMOST DEAD THE GREAT NFL SHALL KILL IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS LMAO LMAO BASEBALL MAKING A COMEBACK LOL AINT NO SHOT IN HELL THAT MLB EVER BEATS THE NFL AGAIN!!!! Baseball is one of the most boring pos sports ever created hence why dub bush loves it lmao lmao !!!!!! Not that was an idiotic comment lmao baseball will never recover the youth of this country HATES IT!!! THE MLB WILL BE AND DESERVES TO BE DEAD IN THE NEXT 10 to 20 years!!! A REAL SPORT CALled NFL FOOTBALL ,IT SLIT THE MLB's throat THIS YEAR AND IT SHALL DIE!! The nfl won't be locked out the owners are way too smart to lose money!! Even if it does THE NFL WILL STILL PLAY WITH SCABS AND STILL KICK THAT POS SPORT MLB's ASS!!!! Lockout years are always good for Redskins fans we always end up winning the Super Bowl those years!!!! HTTR!!! Still a chance to win the the division so ima keep believing!!!!! I think that the skins are gonna go after a qb of the future this offseason and if they do that they should go after the best and grab Andrew Luck but it might cost alot!! I wish we could find a way to bring Toby Gerhart here to be our power rb I think he is a young Riggo in the making!! Randy Moss will be a fa this offseason I would rather add him to mentor our young wideouts than pick up vjax he is overrated!!! If we could find a way to trade for Chris Long he would be the perfect Redskin!! I think we could make him a all star at OLB!!! God that would be awesome!! A man can dream and play madden lol I think if haslett goes I hope we could bring in lure in Dick Lebeau and Mike Singaltary as dc's!!! HTTR!! Lets win the last 5 and hope and pray for 2 eagle losses!!! HTTR!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | November 30, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

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