Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Fox, Oshinowo and Smith Released

The Redskins have released three players: Vernon Fox, Babatunde Oshinowo and Dorian Smith.

Fox, a 28-year-old safety who also played in Detroit and San Diego, had played in 30 games with the Skins over the last two seasons. He started six games and had 44 tackles and one interception.

Oshinowo, a defensive tackle, had signed with the team July 29. Smith, a defensive end, had been signed, released and re-signed Aug. 12.

This is cutdown week for NFL teams. Rosters must be trimmed to 75 by 4 p.m. Tuesday and to 53 by 4 p.m. Saturday.

By Cindy Boren  |  August 24, 2008; 4:48 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Taylor to Be Out 10 Days to 2 Weeks
Next: Time to Think About Jacksonville

Comments

cut nads

Posted by: nads guy | August 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Dorian Smith, please travel up 95 to the NJ Turnpike....exit 16W.

Posted by: Coach Coughlin | August 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess they tried to do Fox a favor and cut him earlier so he could catch on with someone else, because apparently he wasn't going to make this team.

Kareem Moore and others have been way impressive early.

Skins go 7-9, 8-8 this year. Really, I've been saying it all along and it only makes sense when you take your emotions out of the equation.

Hail.

Posted by: Trevor G | August 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Cindy!

Posted by: Rob M | August 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

REPOSTED, OF COURSE

OTHER ISSUES:

The oline disgraced themselves. Yeah, Buges wasn't there to coach them up. So, errors of OMISSSION are understandable.

But they didn't try. They quit on him. And they got their a$$es whupped like spoiled petulant children.

The DRAFT:

Nice work, Vinny. Three second round choices and NONE of them starters.

The third rounder (RINEHART) is a good backup, but not a starter--yet.

The fourth rounder (TRYON) might be cut if he wasnt a 4th rounder.

NO fifth rounder.

Finally, VINNY's wheelhouse--the SIXTH ROUND. Got a redundant punter and a clipboard holder QB who has kept fans from lighting torches and storming Redskin Park

SEVENTH ROUND: Now we're talkling. All three could/should make the team or practice squad. (JACKSON/MOORE/HORTON)

If LANDRY is healthy, that means TEN DRAFT PICKS = ZERO STARTERS on a team that looks slotted for LAST PLACE in the NFC EAST.

How's that forehand?

Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else looking forward to Thursday, and the chance to wash away this bad taste?

Now I feel pretty sheepish about having laughed at Cleveland's "performance" the other night.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2008 5:05 PM

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody,
this horrific season-ending injury to JT that now turns out to be only a one game miss, maybe two...

Anyway, it just occurred to me it reminds me of the Paul Pierce injury.
He was down in game 1 vs. LA, he was out, it was so serious he had to be carried off the court. All the Celtics, the fans, everyone watching on TV was thinking "he had to be carried off? He is done for the series"

Turns out Pierce was writing in pain, "unable to walk at all" but of course came back, played in each game, was the leading scorer and series MVP.

What happened to the days to when a guy had to be carried off, carted off, he really was done? If a guy could, he walked off.

Glad JT is not hurt seriously, don't misunderstand...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I've now swung on Portis' side on pre-season. Each starter should have 1 series max per game. As the game goes on, you've got guys on the field who are selling out their bodies to distinguish themselves for the coaches' film. They wack players on the opposite team just to get a little "atta boy."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

oops forget to post my name.
The Paul Pierce post was me

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if other team's fans evaluate and quit on their team when a regular season game hasn't even been played yet to the extent the Redskins fans do. I'm not going to evaluate a draft class without watching ANY of them play an NFL game. Thomas and Kelly have been hurt, Kelly hasn't even played yet. And already they are busts??? They are not starting because, once again....they are HURT. Not all WR will be Randy Moss and storm out their first season....and we're not even sure yet if Thomas or Kelly will, because, once again.....THE REGULAR SEASON HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET!!! You already announce the 7th rounders are successful....based on what exactly????

Please, all of you that quit in the preseason, don't bother. Take your frontrunning attitudes to some other team. Atlanta fans are known for only caring when their teams are winning, would be perfect for alot of you.

Posted by: Rob M | August 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I just have to say... it seems every preseason game in the last several years have had technical difficulties. What can be done about this? Who do we boycott?

Posted by: Hanni Montani | August 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Any coincidence the Skins cut three D players as their first cuts on Sunday?
I mean we have an offensive coach for a HC, and the team wants to keep 8RB and 8 WR!
laughter


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the days to when a guy had to be carried off, carted off, he really was done? If a guy could, he walked off.

Glad JT is not hurt seriously, don't misunderstand...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:13 PM
-----------
I don't understand that macho talk. I don't like seeing a guy who may have seriously injured his knee try to walk or limp on it. It might cause more injury. Stay off of it. By all means, be carted off as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Hanni Montani | August 24, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Bugel's absence for the entire week must have been a major issue. Having the TE coach to prepare the o-line for their assignments against a formidable panther d-line clearly didn't work at all. I kept hearing how Rennie Simmons was spending extra time coaching up Fred Davis when he also had to pull double duty and coach the o-line...

Now, something has to be done about Doughty. Is he really missing LL's presence out there that much? Will LL be able to cover for all of his shortcomings? Apparently, he has an understanding of this defense, but it seems he does not have the recognition or physical ability to play effective. That was 21 points pretty much on him yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the rooks starting in his spot in maybe 2 months or so, once they get a real hang of things. I don't see him stickin around for 09.

Posted by: thinkin of a moniker | August 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

REPOSTED, OF COURSE

OTHER ISSUES:

The oline disgraced themselves. Yeah, Buges wasn't there to coach them up. So, errors of OMISSSION are understandable.

But they didn't try. They quit on him. And they got their a$$es whupped like spoiled petulant children.

The DRAFT:

Nice work, Vinny. Three second round choices and NONE of them starters.

The third rounder (RINEHART) is a good backup, but not a starter--yet.

The fourth rounder (TRYON) might be cut if he wasnt a 4th rounder.

NO fifth rounder.

Finally, VINNY's wheelhouse--the SIXTH ROUND. Got a redundant punter and a clipboard holder QB who has kept fans from lighting torches and storming Redskin Park

SEVENTH ROUND: Now we're talkling. All three could/should make the team or practice squad. (JACKSON/MOORE/HORTON)

If LANDRY is healthy, that means TEN DRAFT PICKS = ZERO STARTERS on a team that looks slotted for LAST PLACE in the NFC EAST.

How's that forehand?

Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 5:06 PM

Good playoff teams use the draft to create depth. We wouldn't expect many starters to come from the 10 man draft. The real measure will be to see how many of the 10 contribute this season.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Man if Doughty is better than VFox I don't see Fox getting much time anywhere. What happened to him back there last night? Ugh. Lee.

Posted by: Shizzle | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Opening day safties will be Karem Moore at FS and LL at SS, if LL is healthy enough to play.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Doughty has to go. It's debatable, but you can easily say that he had the most to do with 4 of the TD allowed last night. Two on horrible coverage, and two on missed tackles. If we need to carve out a safety in order to keep Mason, 3 TE and one of the younger WR, then so be it. Moore, Landry, Horton, and Hamilton could do well with Springs seeing some time at S.

Posted by: allstar1579 | August 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if any of the guys drafted this year can block, they get at least a look at guard. Don't worry about the 2nd rounders -- very few receivers do much before their 3rd year. That's why it was smart to draft 3 of them at once. Watch out, 2010. Next year's draft:

1st: flashy linebacker
2nd: OL with knee problems
3rd: a kicker
4th: slow but big DL
5th: CB who can't catch, to give competition to Carlos, who also can't catch.
6th: QB
7th: I doubt if they'll have 7 picks next year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

hey corkie....perhaps you should become a Dolphin fan, where rookies are required to fill gaping holes in the starting lineup.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hanni,
Well it seems there used to be more pride / effort to get off on your own if you can, and then only be carted off if you are "done".

But perhaps I am wrong and you are right, Hanni.
Thanks

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn speaking on Skins.com said 3-4 times JC had no chance. Said the 4th one he pumped and that one was on him.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Some good news: The Spanish bullfighting federation just awarded the entire Redskins offensive line an ear!

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | August 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Do you think GG is foaming at the mouth after the skins OL performance. I hope JC and TC make it through the game alright.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Good point Ray. The thing is... it reminds me of how you get a bunch of macho-ACTING armchair QBs who like to yell at the TV screen that a QB should take a hit like a man when they take off running down the field instead of sliding. I want to see my QB slide and not take any chances on getting injured.

Posted by: Hanni Montani | August 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Next year's draft.

no, the 2nd rounder has already been traded for Jason Taylor.

so apparently you are close, [OL w/ knee problems], as it will be Jason Taylor w/ now new knee problems.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em RobM...

Posted by: Skip in VA | August 24, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm worried GG is upset about not getting the HC job!
He may blitz us to death Thursday and JC and TC could both end up hurt leaving Cult of Colt to start vs. the Giants.

Seriously, lets run the ball 3 out of 4 plays , eat the clock, throw only short / quick stuff not getting JC or TC injured.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Do you think GG is foaming at the mouth after the skins OL performance. I hope JC and TC make it through the game alright.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 5:45 PM
-----------
I don't think GG cares a single bit. It's the last preseason game. The starters won't play much I would think.

Posted by: Hanni Montani | August 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris Mortenson is reporting that the NFL Cardinals have selected Kurt Warner to be their starting QB.

Boy, Matt L has to get his mind off of all those babes he is trying to spend time with and get his mind back on football.

The Cardinals were not pleased w/ his irresponsible behavior, and apparently, he still is not getting it done.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he is hoping to get Kelly out there to see some action on Thursday

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

From JReid's story for tomorrow:

During one stretch spanning two drives in the first quarter, Campbell was sacked three times in six plays. Carolina Pro Bowl defensive end Julius Peppers had a season’s worth of highlight-tape footage on the third sack, pushing Samuels into Campbell, forcing a fumble and recovering the ball.
“I hate to say this, and he knows himself, and he did not play the rest of the game like this, but on the fumble [after] Jason got hit in the back, Chris Samuels wasn’t ready for the explosion that he had with Julius Peppers,” Zorn said. “Now, he anchored [the line] the rest of his time in there, but you’ve got to be ready for play [No.] 1. He takes pride in what he does, I know that, so it was hard for me to even say that.”

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Leinert needs to spend less time in the hot tub.

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Matt L has to get his mind off of all those babes he is trying to spend time with and get his mind back on football.

The Cardinals were not pleased w/ his irresponsible behavior, and apparently, he still is not getting it done.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 5:51 PM

That's what the babes are saying, too. Matt, you're not getting it done. Get your mind off football and man up.

Posted by: Mull It | August 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

And, Ray, I would argue that he's getting it done, all right.

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said. “Now, Samuels anchored [the line] the rest of his time in there, but you’ve got to be ready for play [No.] 1. He takes pride in what he does, I know that, so it was hard for me to even say that.”

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 5:57 PM

It's refreshing to hear a coach who will tell it like it is instead of "Samuels played his guts out" but I've got to wonder how long he can do this and keep the team on his side. Did he really need to call Samuels out like this?

Now, this isn't your Annual Performance Review at work, where the boss is supposed to "sandwich his criticism" inside two slices of praise, but still I'm not convinced that the players will feel they're getting a fair shake from their coach. We'll see how it goes.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

RESPONSE TO ROB M.

+++I'm not going to evaluate a draft class without watching ANY of them play an NFL game. ++++--ROB M.

Well the coaches sure do. Why shouldn’t’ fans on a Redskins blog?

+++Thomas and Kelly have been hurt, Kelly hasn't even played yet. And already they are busts???

Who called them “busts?” Not me. I said they aren’t starters.

+++They are not starting because, once again....they are HURT.+++

Yes, and someone--who was that again?-- said the reason they got hurt could have something to do with the fact that they didn't come to camp IN SHAPE. Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I expect top picks to show up to camp IN SHAPE.

+++THE REGULAR SEASON HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET!!! You already announce the 7th rounders are successful....based on what exactly????+++

My Bad. I accidently included Kareem Moore, a sixth rounder, in the seventh. MOORE has been starting asa rookie in place of the injured Landry, and praised by coaches, which is a pretty good definition of success in my book.

Seventh round pick Rob Jackson (DE) is tied for most sacks and has received the most PT of any defensive end on the team. Sure, he could be cut, but why would Blache play him so much, otherwise? 7th rounder Horton crushes people. Could make special teams until he develops as a DB, or Practice Squad.

++Please, all of you that quit in the preseason, don't bother. Take your frontrunning attitudes to some other team.+++

Does that include ZORN’s criticism of the WR’s conditioning? Is that preseason quiting, Vinny? Er, Rob M?

I could tell you to take your Koolaid and your Pollyanna dreams Elsewhere. But this is a BLOG, not a HISTORICAL record. It’s where FANS gather to blow off steam and voice their opinions. NEGATIVE opinions are permitted, which I will express when appropriate. And I’ve been a Redskin fan since the early sixties. How about you?

+++Atlanta fans are known for only caring when their teams are winning, would be perfect for alot of you.+++

This is a Redskins Blog, Rob M. Please post Atlanta stuff on the Falcons blog or a dogfighting Website.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

And, Ray, I would argue that he's getting it done, all right.

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 6:00 PM

And what do you know that the rest of us don't? Come on, I subscribe to the Post. Give me the real story.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

1. I don't think JT will be playing on the same surface that Osi went down w/o contact.

2. It is refreshing to hear something other than prayer requests, togetherness, and gut fighting, but I think Samuels would be more challenged than insulted.

3. Ugghhh...Bill Walton in HD is awful. Just awful.

Posted by: What? Who? | August 24, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It looks like we got way the better of the injury news this weekend. JT apparently not seriously hurt, when it looked like it might be pretty bad, and Osi Umenyiora (sp?) out for the year. Bad news for Umenyiora and the Jints, a break for everybody else. Chris Samuels may sleep a little easier week after next.

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 24, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The chick working on ESPN News right now seems to be going into and out of a British accent. What's up with that?

Posted by: What? Who? | August 24, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

cork,

How many second rounders are starting for their teams on opening day? How many rookie WRs and TEs are starting?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about Samuels. I'm worried about Jansen going against Tuck.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Double ditto on John Clayton in HD. He needs to shave that remaining hair patch. He looks like a freakin' owl.

Posted by: What? Who? | August 24, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fans frontrunners? That is laughable. If we were there wouldn't be anyone left. We'd be wearing Patriots, Colts, Chargers etc gear.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Leinart drinking beers and being with some ladies during the offseason has nothing to do with his play. People in their 20s should be doing that. He just has not lived up to the hype much like dudes like Vince Young and Reggie Bush.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

It looks like we got way the better of the injury news this weekend. JT apparently not seriously hurt, when it looked like it might be pretty bad, and Osi Umenyiora (sp?) out for the year. Bad news for Umenyiora and the Jints, a break for everybody else. Chris Samuels may sleep a little easier week after next.

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 24, 2008 6:14 PM

A single silver lining around one big black cloud Saturday night. JEEZ, that was ugly. Are we that bad or are they that good?

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to know what the current roster number is after these cuts.

Posted by: don't ya think? | August 24, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Since when did it NOT become cool to chill with lovely young ladies in the hot tub?

Posted by: Red... DMV | August 24, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

+++Well the coaches sure do. Why shouldn’t’ fans on a Redskins blog?+++

That's funny, I must've missed it when Zorn came out and bashed Vinny Cerrato's draft for this season based on not having played a real game yet....please show me that quote.

+++Who called them “busts?” Not me. I said they aren’t starters"+++

Ok, then explain what you mean by

The DRAFT:

"Nice work, Vinny. Three second round choices and NONE of them starters."

I couldn't care less if they start game 1 of their first season. You're bashing Cerrato for something that hasn't even happened yet....did you seriously expect them to all start the first game, you can't be that dumb????

+++Yes, and someone--who was that again?-- said the reason they got hurt could have something to do with the fact that they didn't come to camp IN SHAPE. Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I expect top picks to show up to camp IN SHAPE.++++

Not coming to camp in shape does not equal out to the draft being poor. I agree, they should have been better conditioned, but that blame goes to them, not to Cerrato.

++++My Bad. I accidently included Kareem Moore, a sixth rounder, in the seventh. MOORE has been starting asa rookie in place of the injured Landry, and praised by coaches, which is a pretty good definition of success in my book.++++

I see, so playing against team's 3rd and 4th stringers and doing well means success, but not playing against 3rd and 4th stringers means failure. I thought an NFL career lasted more than 3 preseason games?

+++Does that include ZORN’s criticism of the WR’s conditioning? Is that preseason quiting, Vinny? Er, Rob M?++++

Once again, criticizing a player's conditioning is one thing. Criticizing the person that drafted them before seeing them even play an NFL down is moronic at best.

+++++I could tell you to take your Koolaid and your Pollyanna dreams Elsewhere. But this is a BLOG, not a HISTORICAL record. It’s where FANS gather to blow off steam and voice their opinions. NEGATIVE opinions are permitted, which I will express when appropriate. And I’ve been a Redskin fan since the early sixties. How about you?++++

I wasn't even born yet, so being old doesn't equal being a fan. But bashing the team when their REAL record is 0-0 is pathetic. Bash Cerrato for giving draft picks away for garbage or drafting garbage(see Rod Gardner), but to bash the 2008 draft when the 2008 season hasn't even started yet is pathetic.

+++This is a Redskins Blog, Rob M. Please post Atlanta stuff on the Falcons blog or a dogfighting Website.++++

I'm just trying to help you find a team that will blend with your fair-weathered personality. I don't believe this team is destined for the Super Bowl, probably not even the playoffs. But by the same token, as a fan, I'm not just throwing in the towel either. I remember a certain team last year that was 0-2....in REAL games....and should've been 0-3, but rebounded to win a Super Bowl. That team was not the best team in the NFL, but still found a way to win. Do you really think the Giants are that much better than the Skins??? Oh, you probably do....since you have the keen sense to know the entire 2nd round of the draft was a waste.

Posted by: Rob M | August 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins fans frontrunners? That is laughable. If we were there wouldn't be anyone left. We'd be wearing Patriots, Colts, Chargers etc gear.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:19 PM


Frontrunner was the wrong word, fair-weathered is more appropriate. Bash with every loss(even if it's meaningless) and I've been a fan forever when they're winning. Taking the trip out to Canton earlier this month made me realize that real Skins fans do exist. Not the one's that throw the season away before it has even started.....

Posted by: Rob M | August 24, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse


Returns home to angst
Skins downhill since "Osaka"
Preseason blues reign

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 24, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to the fact that, every Monday there for a while, there were new fotos of Leinert with the ladies. All I am saying is dude needs to learn how to multitask.

Posted by: Cindy | August 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Rob M. You people who are jumping all over the skins for a bad preseason game can take your sorry ass attitudes to another team. I have been a skins fan for thirty years! there's enough fight in me to make up for all the quit in you. don't want ya! don't need ya! HAIL!

Posted by: TASSOPOLIS | August 24, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse


Good Omen of past
Negate some preseason fears:
Super Skins won none

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 24, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

And I’ve been a Redskin fan since the early sixties. How about you?

Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 6:08 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My first Skins memories?
69 Season;
Sonny, Larry Brown, Charley Taylor, Jerry Smith, Len Hauss, Chris Hanburger, Pat Fisher, Sam Huff
Vince Lombardi was Head Coach

And, Ray, I would argue that he's getting it done, all right.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't this be called the "East-West (coast)" offense. That's all they do is go sideways. Carolina went North-South the whole game and was fun to watch. This 4 yard dink and dump crap is boring and ineffective. I'll take 0-16 if it will get Zorn outta here. Anybody want my season tickets? I'm not wasting 10 hours on Sunday to watch this pathetic mess.

Posted by: Larry Palmer | August 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Who knew that being stuck in a 14-hour drive in the Land Yacht with the wife and kids would be preferable to watching the Chabingus in Charlotte?
Makes me glad to have forgotten to Tivo it.

Remind me... there's no fifth-tiebreaker for the playoffs that allows preseason results to come back and haunt you?
Good. Then time to move on.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Larry, Do you recall all of the fireworks we saw in Joe Gibbs preseason offense for all those years. Bet you were calling for his head the years we won the superbowl and went 0-4 in the preseason!

Posted by: TASSOPOLIS | August 24, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I think its time for frost to help doughty pack.

Posted by: bus driver | August 24, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

My comments regarding Matt Leinart were that
The Cardinals first publicly stated they were tired of his immaturity.

Someone posted it is what young guys in their 20's are supposed to do.

Honest question:
don't you think the Cards were correct to have talked to him strongly?

For example, in hindsight, would you say it would have been too rigid for the Lakers to have strongly admonished Magic Johnson back when he was doing several women?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I've posted before that for some reason I have no recollection of the 87 preseason; nothing comes to mind.

But I vividly recall 82 preseason we were 0-4
And also the 91 preseason we were 1-3

Gibbs believed in showing nothing, just evaluating guys how they block, tackle run hard;
you know the fundamentals...

Seemed to work just fine

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

All you folks bagging on Doughty are insane if you ignore Moore. His mistakes led to a couple of first downs. Moore's mistakes led to 50+ yard touchdowns.

Doughty had a bad game. Moore had a Stanley Richards game. Sure, he made a pick, but he showed the lack of consistency that Blache referred to that's going to keep him from getting on the field anytime soon.

Posted by: je suis un pizza | August 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Thank you ray! I like Zorn, he was going to be calling the plays even had he not gotten the head coaching position. Get the line to block and we'll see how effectivly the offense runs. I love Joe Gibbs, but you will not see this team trying to run out the clock in the 3rd qtr. with a 7 point lead. Talk about crazy!

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"A Stanley Richards game"

Now that was very interesting.

What high priced players who played very well for an NFL team were paid big money to come here and were quite disappointing?

One player per post, please?

Deion Sanders

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA! Stanley richards! That was one sheriff who could'nt keep justice in a secondary!

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey TAss,
I agree with you we won't be running in the 3rd when only up one score...

You know, it was clear the offense opened up more w/ TC last year.
Why can't we just admit it?
Gibbs and Saunders trusted TC more than JC to make pressure throws.

But another year for JC...
I am hopeful this is his year he gains the confidence of his coaching staff and team.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The worst move of Gibbs career was bringing in Saunders. Gibbs took the team to the playoffs and won in 05 calling plays. He questioned his ability to call plays that off-season. Given a second chance I bet he would do things differently. We beat Tampa with an injury riddled team that year. not because of inept playcalling.

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone,

I would like to get on my soap box for a minute. Regardless of the game last night the Redskins are a sorry pathetic mess thanks to Danny Boy. I am a Skins fan from the early 60s and Mr. Jack Kent-Cooke must be spinning in his grave. I now know what it is like to cheer for a team like the Lions and even have a chance to be an elite team. This team is a debacale from coaching selections, free agent trades, draft picks etc. I truly hope I am wrong but I can not help to expect a year of 2-14 or 3-13. Please Dan Synder sell the team and go back to work for the circus as the clown that you really are!!!!

Posted by: GLFLVER2 | August 24, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that offense was hurting and Tampa made them look soooo bad. Lowest yards ever to win a play off game.

Brunell was hurt
CP was playing banged up
SM as usual couldn't run well and get open
Randy Thomas had broken a leg
And we had no 2nd WR tht could get open either ...

LaVar, Griffen, Sean Taylor and company shut down Tampa that day.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

dana stubblefield

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 24, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Step down carefully form your soap box. I can see that senility is setting in. ONE BAD PRE-SEASON GAME DOES NOT A BAD YEAR MAKE!!!!!!!!
As the other George Michael said "You gotta have Faith afaith afaith!!

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey GLFLVR2,

I too date back to the 60's so we have great memories of winning seasons under Lombardi, Allen, Pardee, Gibbs, Turner, Gibbs 2.0.

We've made the playoffs two of the last three years. Yes, it does not guarantee anything for this season, I agree.

But 2 or 3 wins only?

Personally I think Danny did such damage years earlier, but has learned in the last two years to really scale back in FA signing bonuses.

So, what is it you are upset about?
Is the hiring of Jim Zorn?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Just saw possibly the most disgusting thing ever.

I went to Albertson's for Mrs. Freakzilla, to buy some eggs so she can make some of her killer banana bread.

While there I decided to inspect the beer cooler. While perusing, I saw:

Budweiser & Clamato, in tall, frosty cans.


As if mixing the juices of tomato & clam and selling it weren't affront enough to the senses and good taste, to take that concoction and mix it with one of the worst beers in existence is....bad. It's just really, really bad.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Honest question:
don't you think the Cards were correct to have talked to him strongly?

For example, in hindsight, would you say it would have been too rigid for the Lakers to have strongly admonished Magic Johnson back when he was doing several women?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 7:30 PM

Unless Leinart was coming into practice drunk or hung over that he couldn't perform, no reason to make a big deal out of it. Be aware of your surroundings and the people you hang with type thing. Outside of suggesting to Magic to pack the plastic and wrap it up, don't see it anyones business as to who he bangs except he and his disappointed wife.

Mark Carrier.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Stubblefield...
What a very appropriate answer!
led the league in sacks, came here and was never even a force at all!

My turn:
Bruce Smith

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Budweiser & Clamato, in tall, frosty cans.
-----------------------------

Next marketing genius idea. Diarrhea in a can.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Would you have been happier with a rah! rah! coach like Cower? Or Maybe Pete Carroll would have come in with his WC offensive version. Zorn does not look like he's panicing. Let's all come back 11 days from now and see how we feel.
I was upset last night. Thats what kind of fan I am. I get upset at preseason games. But Im ok today! WHY YOU ASK? Because it's preseason. Save your energy in case we lose the opener. We'll have 10 days till the second game.

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | August 24, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I was upset last night. Thats what kind of fan I am. I get upset at preseason games. But Im ok today! WHY YOU ASK? Because it's preseason. Save your energy in case we lose the opener. We'll have 10 days till the second game.

Posted by: Tassopolis | August 24, 2008 8:35 PM


Well put, I was distraught last night. I was still upset this morning, but once we got the news that Taylor is only out for a couple of weeks, I realized we lost nothing but a preseason game last night. If the same thing happens on Sept 4, then I'll worry. Until then, we have the same record as everyone else....HAIL TO 'EM!

Posted by: Rob M | August 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

this review is classic. i don't think i could drink that stuff even to win a bet....

"alright, I've had the bloody mary beer before, and they're not bad. Thought maybe this would be like that. I was wrong. It looks like someone vomited blood into a beer, and then it was packaged. A hint of clamato smell was expected, but I didn't expect it to smell like old rotten clams. I got nowhere near finishing this vile drink. I started to gag a few sips into it. Even typing this up almost made me throw up in my mouth. Homeless people would not drink this."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Adam Archuleta

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

You know whoever posted Mark Carrier, that is so appropriate.

Talk about a waste of money that then counts against the salary cap for years to come.

Carrier I believe was only here one year.
Wow, that one year may be the absolute worst FO year in the history of the NFL.

Bruce Smith over the hill
Deion Sanders over the hill
Marki Carrier over the hill
Jeff George over the hill

and all GROSSLY overpaid and under-performing.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

RI is open to all opinions but some of these armchair GM's know nothing about football. The purpose of the draft is to replenish your team and address areas of need. IT's way too soon to bash Vinny on this draft. In fact, you've got a 7th rounder in Kareem Moore that could be starting by opening day! Fred Davis will see the field as well as Reinhart. I would like to see Campbell have a big target a the start of the season but one or both will contribute by midseason.

To me Week 1 and where they are by week 5 will tell the tale for me. I am concerned with JC but hope that O-line can give him time.

Oh yeah...if that had been artificial turf Jason Taylor's leg would be in two pieces right now.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 24, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you sicwidit, have not given up hope on this draft or last year's actually.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Watching the closing ceremonies...

Those Chinese kids are really trained in music as well.
Singing in three part harmony.
Something most American kids know absolutely nothing about as our musical standards continue to deteriorate...

Men's Volleyball was great action in winning the gold vs. Brazil.
I'm still a 6-person team Volleyball guy.
So much faster than 2 person beach volleyball.

USA USA

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Also, it seems as if fans need to make up their minds. Remember, we spent years on the quick fix with FA's and "past their prime vets". Now we have some young inexperienced players who may or may not pan out. That's the NFL, and that's any team. Granted, we are still paying for years of mismanagement, especially with the O-Line, but this team has been to the playoffs two of the last three years with one win.

I think one blogger said it best...this team is a big question mark.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 24, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Note to Rob M: Same Rob that post on the Wizards blog?

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | August 24, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

BLloyd

Posted by: EmmPee | August 24, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Something most American kids know absolutely nothing about as our musical standards continue to deteriorate...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 9:28 PM

This is just bizarre. Our musical standards have deteriorated? How many recordings of Chinese music have sold in the United States? And how many recordings of US music have sold in China? Can you name a single Chinese musical group? The US still leads the world in musical artistry and innovation.

Ray, don't you think you can put together a chorus of 200 young Americans who can sing the Olympic anthem in three part harmony?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

RI is open to all opinions but some of these armchair GM's know nothing about football.

Some? Anybody Up Here get paid for their football expertise?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Some? Anybody Up Here get paid for their football expertise?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 9:38 PM

I don't think I can spell out all the details of my remuneration for you, but I am a talent evaluator.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

It is quite amusing when morons attempt to sound intelligent up here using big words that they can't even spell correctly.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

oh, except you, TE.

Do you get to bill RI hours logged in as TE, but not as other names?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't take an expert to see the problem with the skins;

1) Tough division.

2) Weak O-Line.

3) Young unproven QB, that hold the ball too long, especially since they have a #2. (see above

I think since it's obvious Jansen needs help, that stick a young guy in there. Develop him and use the help anyway. Jansen is done. Samuels is another one that is ok, not fanatastic.

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 24, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I meant, fantastic for all you spell check nazis!

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 24, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Do you get to bill RI hours logged in as TE, but not as other names?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 9:49 PM

No pay, no play, cload. Anyway, think of TE as the corporate holding company and the other name as niche-targeted brands. Like Proctor and Gamble with Crest, Gillette, and Pampers.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Ray, don't you think you can put together a chorus of 200 young Americans who can sing the Olympic anthem in three part harmony?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 9:36 PM

Good point, TE. I'm thinking of the Vienna Boys Choir, in the Virginia suburts, out there at the end of the Metro. They could sing rings around the olympic chorus from Beijing.

Posted by: Mull It | August 24, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I meant, fantastic for all you spell check nazis!

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 24, 2008 9:53 PM

Mike, Mike -- Nazis is such a harsh term. Just think of us as your linguistic superiors and we'll all get along.

Posted by: d-bag | August 24, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

So some evaluations are worth toothpaste while others are as expensive as pampers?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Good point, d-bag. I meant "suburbs" for all my linquistic superiors.

Posted by: Mull It | August 24, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So some evaluations are worth toothpaste while others are as expensive as pampers?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 10:28 PM

No, no, no. That's not why we have multiple brands. Some evaluations are meant for hot chicks with gorgeous smiles (and big boobs) and others are meant for immature guys up here who poop their pants. Different jokes for different folks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't feel like I had that luxury [to go downfield] because of the way that we were pass protecting. You have to feel solid in that pocket. You have to feel like they're going to be able to hold 'em off. You almost feel like putting one of those guys back there and saying, 'Okay, try this. Try to throw with somebody getting walked back in your face.' It's not easy."
-----------
Yeah, i think THAT's throwing them under the bus

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh... he just said 'boobs'.... heh, heh.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've seen that particular 'highlight', I wonder how Samuels breaks down that play... "No, coach, I don't think the problem was Peppers blowing me up, pushing me straight onto Campbell and recovering the fumble. It looked more like the receivers didn't get open in time..."

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Watched the game on NFL Network this afternoon. Glad they caught this "L" when they did, cause it wasn't pretty on all sides of the ball. It just seemed like the Panthers watched film on the Skins, which isn't typical in the preseason, where most teams work on a set number of plays. Maybe John Fox and his staff wanted to bring Zorn down a peg or two... who knows. Although I haven't seen Brooks punt yet, Frost always seems to out-kick the punt team coverage and the opposing team returns the ball for a decent gain. I thought it was odd that they kept showing Frost, Albright & Suisham together at various points of the game too. That may be the only thing that Frost has over Brooks, which is that camaraderie.

Hopefully, they'll have everyone healed up and ready to go for 9/4. The injury to Umeniyora was a tremendous blow to the G-Men.

Posted by: JinxMan7997 | August 24, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I will stand by my statement that most Americans know nothing of three part harmony.

American TV, American Idol, and pop music has continued to decrease the pursuit of actual beauty in music....

Yet, I do stand corrected by you.
There are groups in America that still appreciate musical art such as the Vienna Boys Choir.

I stand corrected, point well taken.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Knowing the Redskins luck I really thought it was going to be Jason Taylor missing the whole season and Osi Umenyiora missing 10-14 days, I'm shocked it's the other way around. Maybe this is the sign of something good.

Posted by: toad & daggar | August 24, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Jessie Armstead


Good night, everyone.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 24, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone said this one already but Michael Barrow.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 24, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

This will be a pivotal week for this coaching staff,Zorn must inspire confidence the vets are waiting to see how he handles saturday's debacle while the rookies are looking for his leadership the rest of the coaching staff must help Zorn map out a plan for the first two games(they need at least a split). Thursday's preseason finale should be all about regrouping the O line and getting Jason comfortable in the pocket they need to forget about saturday and get ready for the Giants,however I am sure Greg Williams will have some thing "nice" planned for Zorn's west coast offense so they need to be aware.You know Greg wants to stick it to them for the way Danny boy had him swinging and twisting in the wind before they sent him packing for Jim Zorn. This week no doubt will be very interesting!!.

Posted by: DARGREGMAG@AOL.COM | August 24, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Recall last preseason where both Samuels and Campbell dodged the season-ending injury bullet.
Larger rosters and fewer preseason games -- go to an 18-game schedule if the money demands it. But make these games count for real, because the injuries sure do.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Good point, TE. I'm thinking of the Vienna Boys Choir, in the Virginia suburts, out there at the end of the Metro. They could sing rings around the olympic chorus from Beijing.

Posted by: Mull It | August 24, 2008 10:14 PM

I'm also thinking of the Vienna Boys Choir.

Posted by: Gary Glitter | August 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

cork,

How many second rounders are starting for their teams on opening day? How many rookie WRs and TEs are starting?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2008 6:18 PM

TE

How many teams took THREE RECEIVERS in the second round to be backups?

Are you satisfied that broken down Thrash is STILL #3 receiver?

Or that Billy McMullen has led the team in receptions (and probably drops?)

While I don't follow other teams carefully, it looks like Sweed has a shot at starting and DeSean Jackson has a shot at Superstardom. Turns out the latter can return kicks, too.

Forgive me if I'm unhappy that not ONE of the three guys they took up high haven't blown the doors off Zorn's wagon and demanded a starting job, instead of performing at roughly 5th and 6th receivers.

I REMAIN hopeful that by season's end at least one will be starting and all three will be stars eventually (here). But I think Kelly and Thomas would have had a better chance if they'd shown up in top notch physical condition.

I'm a FAN, but not a Polyanna fan. And I think a team that is looking at a losing record this season should have at least a couple of starters from their 10 picks and 10-20 FAs.


Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

If LANDRY is healthy, that means TEN DRAFT PICKS = ZERO STARTERS on a team that looks slotted for LAST PLACE in the NFC EAST.

How's that forehand?


Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 5:06 PM

I'm a FAN, but not a Polyanna fan. And I think a team that is looking at a losing record this season should have at least a couple of starters from their 10 picks and 10-20 FAs.


Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 11:43 PM

Why the negativity? I think these assertions are moronic. Who's sloting last year's wild-card team with 22 returning starters as fourth in the NFC East? Stupid pundits like Adam Schien? Also, why if you have 22 returning starters would any of your draft picks be opening day starterss? Only Laron Landry has been an opening day starter in the last five years and he was drafted six overall.

All of the picks were drafted for depth or to start down the road (rounds 2-4) and all have a chance to make the team. If that's the vision, then the draft is successful. Like it or not. Now you can't get your old ass around that vision so you don't like it. Tough.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 25, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse


+++Once again, criticizing a player's conditioning is one thing.+++--ROB M

Again ROB that was JIM ZORN. NOT ME. Get that through your dome, okay? The Head coach, who I admire, said they reported to camp out of shape. They missed ALOT of reps. THEY MISSED a couple of weeks of practice.

Now then, HAD they reported in shape, and they had the talent we both hope they do, they could BE STARTING. See how that works?

That apparently doesn't bother you. So you see I'M the guy supporting the coach and the team, you're the guy making excuses for them. Can't believe you've given up already.

++++Criticizing the person that drafted them before seeing them even play an NFL down is moronic at best.+++

I'm criticizing Ceratto for picking two guys who showed up out of shape. Ceratto was the guy who said he had no choice, his "chart" required him to pick three receivers in the second round.O lineman? That can wait. Surely that elderly starting five the 'skins are sporting will hold up. Ask the QBs who they might prefer someone to protect them, over someone just leaving the training room.

HAD these two shown up in shape, might they have become useful, in say, the FIRST FIVE GAMES OF THE SEASON, three of which are against NFL East opponents?

But now that they are back from injuries likely caused by lack of conditioning (AGAIN, ZORN, NOT ME) the coaches either have to waste valuable time TEACHING THEM stuff they should have learned in camp, and they take reps away from starters for them to get timing with the QBs. Or sit their A$$es on the bench.

You call me MORONIC, yet you show not one sign whatsoever of understanding how pro football works.

+++But bashing the team when their REAL record is 0-0 is pathetic.+++

Look sonny, criticism is not a synonym for bashing. Buy a dictionary and look it up.

++++ Bash Cerrato for giving draft picks away for garbage or drafting garbage (see Rod Gardner),++++

And a Thesaurus

+++but to bash the 2008 draft when the 2008 season hasn't even started yet is pathetic.++++

Look, I'm the old guy and you're the one who can't even remember what I said. Hey I LIKE the bottom half of the draft. I have said so MANY times.

Sure the season hasn't started, but when guys get THAT MUCH PT, it usually means the coaches like them. That and when THEY SAY THEY LIKE THEM. And the coaches have said they like Moore, Jackson, Horton, Colt, and Durrant. I also think Crummey, Clark and Richardson may make the practice team. Nice haul.

+++Do you really think the Giants are that much better than the Skins??? Oh, you probably do....since you have the keen sense to know the entire 2nd round of the draft was a waste.+++

What are you, nine? Where's the Neener-neener?

Posted by: Corkczar | August 25, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Disappointments that came from other teams:

Dave Butz (St Louis Cardinals) - dude always had a knack for taking up 3 offensive linemen so others could make the tackle

Joe Washington (Baltimore Colts) - dude needed thick coke bottle eyeglasses to see his way out of the backfield (which happened very often)

Jim Lachey (Oakland Raiders) - can't believe we traded Jay Schroeder for him, I mean a mediocre QB for a premier LT

Lamar Parrish (Cincinatti Bengals) - dude was a BALL HAWK, plus he has a cool last name (same as mine)

Coy Bacon (Cincinatti Bengals) - dude was Dexter Manley before Dexter Manley

You meant by your original post that these players were disappointments to their current team, which is why they came and played for us, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Corkczar,
Just curious since I am by no means a draft expert but what 2nd round OLineman this year would be guranteed starters?

"I'm criticizing Ceratto for picking two guys who showed up out of shape. Ceratto was the guy who said he had no choice, his "chart" required him to pick three receivers in the second round.O lineman? That can wait. Surely that elderly starting five the 'skins are sporting will hold up. Ask the QBs who they might prefer someone to protect them, over someone just leaving the training room."

Posted by: Lifelong Fan | August 25, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

This from Pat Kirwan's article last year about rookie starters.

"Finally, this looks like a very average year for rookies to win opening day spots. I have tracked this first hurdle for 10 years and 20-to-25 players is the range. By Oct. 1 there should be 30-35 rookies in the lineup and at season's end 50-60 members of the class of 2007 will be known as starters."

About 10% of the entire draft starts, so if Brooks wins the punting job then the 'skins hit the average - which is saying something since they returned every starter.

http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story;jsessionid=E6E7D3DB1DEF9175792BF95EADBF0FF0?id=09000d5d80206029&template=without-video&confirm=true

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, that last post was mine and punters are not included in the data.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 25, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm a FAN, but not a Polyanna fan. And I think a team that is looking at a losing record this season should have at least a couple of starters from their 10 picks and 10-20 FAs.


Posted by: Corkczar | August 24, 2008 11:43 PM

+++Why the negativity? I think these assertions are moronic. Who's sloting last year's wild-card team with 22 returning starters as fourth in the NFC East?+++--BANGKOKEN

I am. And most experts. Why? Aging, small offensive line. Injuries. New coach who may well be great someday, but for now is VERY inexperienced.. People learning a new system. Loss of Defensive coach. Loss of Sean Taylor (w/o emotional factor).

A horribly tough schedule, especially when compared to OTHER NFC east opponents.

Bad trades. Bad drafts. Bad FAs

But mostly because the NFC East is a brutal conference with the defending SB champs, this years' favorite and a tough Phila team.

Zorsn may someday be Gibbs. But not yet.

Tell you what. Share with us what drugs you take before you post. we could all use some.

+++ Also, why if you have 22 returning starters would any of your draft picks be opening day starterss? Only Laron Landry has been an opening day starter in the last five years and he was drafted six overall.+++--BANGKOKKEN

Are you saying the five returning O-line starters who gave up all those sacks Saturday are irreplaceable?

FYI The guy who handled Carter and Taylor with ease? Rookie starter. I'm sure Jansen is much better.

The tackle who was taken when the skins traded down? Rookie starter.

Just sayin'

How about the defensive line? No one out there better than the oft injured Griffith? LBs? What about Golston? Rocky Mac is a constant injury risk. Washington is always getting dinged. Smoot had a nice game except for coverrage and tackling.

I've seen NOTHING but praise for Doughty, here. No one could beat him out.

+++All of the picks were drafted for depth or to start down the road (rounds 2-4) and all have a chance to make the team. If that's the vision, then the draft is successful. Like it or not.+++

I guess I'm the dumb old fart. Ten picks and 10-15 FAs and none should beat out any starters.

++++Now you can't get your old ass around that vision so you don't like it. Tough.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 25, 2008 12:11 AM+++

Tell you something about my old ass, Bankokken. You are welcome to kiss it.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 25, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

>Tell you something about my old ass, Bankokken. You are welcome to kiss it.

Funny, brought a chuckle for sure.

My point has always been that very few rookies start opening day in the nfl about 10% according to Kirwan - who should know. The 'skins had no glaring holes with 22 starters returning. True Doughty inherited the position. But the F.O. drafted two safeties that look promising and signed a former starter off the street to bring competition. So it's not like Clark or Smoot or Pierce or whoever left in free agency or Marshall sucks or someone retired. Bottom-line there were no competitions for starting positions in camp so why do you expect someone to take it? Sounds like your the one with unrealistic expectations.

On another subject...once Taylor went down Saturday, the defense couldn't stop Carolina, what's your take on that?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 25, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Some? Anybody Up Here get paid for their football expertise?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 24, 2008 9:38 PM


Given the amount of blogging that takes place here during the work day, I think the answer is, "Yes, indirectly." :-)

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

We still need a new kicker and it appears we are really gonna need one too.

Posted by: Leevi | August 25, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dorf | August 25, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

I thought you were trying to rickroll us there, Dorf, but I'm glad I checked that out, and I think I see why you were checking it out: the Jasno lookalike dude imitates the "real" Dorf 47 seconds in, with the kneeling on shoes thing! Subtle, dude...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 25, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I am not so doom and gloom about the game.

The defense looked good until JT went down. We gave up two runs over 50 yards, so I dont put much stock in it. LL wouldnt have missed either of the tackles that both Doughty and Moore, on each play.

We got pressure on the QB, which was a good sign. D Evans has made real strides.

I dont think Moore can cover as much ground at FS as LL, I wish they would put Moore at Strong so he can show if he can start their.


O-line, horrible pass blocking. Run blocking so-so. CP missed some cut backs. JC is a little guy shy, but I guess getting nailed 3 of 6 plays can do that. Im not making excuses for him, he needs to gain some mental toughness as was a little evident by his game winning drives last year that ended in T.O.'s

I didnt understand the curls that the WR's are running. I want to see slant where the short WR's get the bvall IN STRIDE>>>>>

Rant off

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

I want to see slant where the short WR's get the ball IN STRIDE

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 6:57 AM

Yeah, they'll get in in stride and get their worlds rocked by the safety. It's better to have the bigger WRs run that stuff.

Keep in mind it's the preseason. I'm sure this offense will look a lot more like a WCO once the games count.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

I try brown, but at some point you need to practice some of the stuff or else the first game ends up like a preseason tune-up, rust and no reps on the real stuff.

Then you lose game 1 and start off the season bad, against a div opponent...

I am also worried about Zorns play calling. That can make your player look bad. It seemed like Fox knew what we were going to do. I thought we were supposed to scout their blitzes, but maybe wo buges they didnt. Who knows... Im just calling it like I see it, despite what type of game it is.

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I hear you Zebra, but in preseason nobody really runs what they'll run in the regular season. Unless you're Steve Spurrier, and we all know how that turned out...

It seems to me like the preseason games are just to see what guys can do against another team with the big lights on. I think position battles are truly won and lost in practice. So even though schematically the Skins didn't look good, it's more about beating the man in front of you. And since they did that the first two games, I have to believe that the wind got sucked out of the sails when JT went down. Then it became "let's get out of here healthy", and when you are playing to not get hurt instead of trying to beat the guy in front of you, your play WILL be affected.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Cooley on EITM next, I will transcribe

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I will just hard return between the persons...

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Lead in is 'the roof is on fire'....by cake
Now I want it that way by Backdoor boys

E: How was backstreet boys

CC: Awesome, Cristy had fun, they were back stage.
.....................

E: Watched the game, i dont care about preseason

CC: Its not that important. We wished it was closer. No one was happy

E:after thursday we are all 0-0
is the 3rd preseason game that imp?

CC: Not really, but beign down 34-0 after 1st isnt good. But guys dont take it seriously since you know you arent in there til the end... but it did prepare us for the GMEn's d line.

E: Missed tackles etc... does Zorn go off?

CC: We will see, he was more amazed and so dissappointed that he couldnt say anything. We will discuss it today, but we have a game in 3 days

E: Is he really going to play you

CC: MAybe 1 or 2 series which really is nothing.

E: Are you liking him

CC: Alot. He gets along with the players...

E: Does he have a mouth, cursing

CC: No

and now my weak signal is crapping out. They will have it online tomorrow, so I will post it then...

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Z

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I probably know this, but what's EITM?

Speaking of Cooley, here's his latest entry on his blog:

http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Elliot in the Morning.... DC101

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I knew it would be something I'm supposed to know...I used to work across the hall from them.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Zeb, thanks for posting.

From way above, Post of the day from Cload:
"there's no fifth-tiebreaker for the playoffs that allows preseason results to come back and haunt you?
Good. Then time to move on"

I swear, this team makes certain people so miserable, why bother following them??? Just seems foolish to me.

The team played well vs the Colts, and played good versus the Bills. They dropped off against the Panthers, and Jets.

I'm writing this knowing full well that someone is going to misinterpret it:

The Colts have the FEWEST pre season victories since 2005

The Colts have the MOST regular season victories since 2005.

Not in any way comparing the two teams.

Let me repeat, I'm not saying the Redskins are like the Colts, but how about some perspective.

Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

So brown, you were in Radio? Did DS buy up your station? That would explain the agenda ;)

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Skins are going to the Super Bowl!

Posted by: Sarcasm | August 25, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Well said, Greg. WAY too much being read into a preseason blow out. Once the ball is kicked off next Thursday nobody's going to remember embarrassment in Carolina.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Brown, way too much is being read into EVERYTHING. Its a new offensive system, for the team to come out and perform flawlessly, is just unrealistic expectations. Jansen has had his troubles, no doubt, but he hasn't played a lot of football recently, so maybe he's just getting his legs underneath him.

Sometimes it doesn't always have to be gloom and doom.

I swear, there are those of us who I think would rather the team was lousy, just so they can have something to b@tch about.

Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Once the ball is kicked off next Thursday nobody's going to remember embarrassment in Carolina.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 8:10 AM

brownwood26--

Is this your first day on the blog?

This place is home to a few agenda-driven nuts who have forgotten every Redskins victory but remember every Redskins loss. They have forgotten that we drafted Sean Taylor, but remember that we traded for Brandon Lloyd. They've forgotten that we went to the playoffs twice in the last three years, but remember that Antonio Pierce wouldn't take our money and signed with the Giants.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

gosh dang it TE, first thing Monday, and you have to bring up Pierce!!!!!

Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

So brown, you were in Radio? Did DS buy up your station? That would explain the agenda ;)

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2008 8:08 AM

Yeah, Zebra. I worked at SportsTalk 980 and the traffic network for Clear Channel, which you literally have to walk thru DC101 to get to. That was well before "The Danny" took over 980.

Good point, TE. We'll probably beat the Giants by a field goal and we'll hear about how JC completed ONLY 60% of his passes or something like that. But you have to admit that in some cases the Skins kind of take the joy out some of the good they do.

For example: 7-1 start in '96, then only two more wins and miss the playoffs. The 20-14 win to break the losing streak vs. Dallas in Darrell Green's last game. Thank God we won, but boy did it seem hollow when they dominated and somehow only won by 6. So I can kinda understand that mentality even though I don't fully subscribe to it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

gosh dang it TE, first thing Monday, and you have to bring up Pierce!!!!!

Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2008 8:20 AM

I don't know about you, Greg, but I admire the 'Skins for standing up to that dog-abuser, Pierce. But Ryan Clark ...

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

As I said last week, 'Skins will lock up 4th place early. Did anyone really think that anything special could come out of the crazy head coach search??

This team is a joke under Snyder/Cerrato and it will continue to be as long as Richie Rich maintains ownership. Even Gibbs couldn't pull the franchise out of its doldrums. Gregg Williams has had to at least had a good chuckle over this egg. He'll return to the playoffs long before the 'Skins will.

Posted by: 4th in the East | August 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Boop boop!

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Man, I needed a few days off the blog after that messes of messes. I see that things have simmered down now here.

So anyone here feeling happy yet?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 25, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

This team is a joke under Snyder/Cerrato and it will continue to be as long as Richie Rich maintains ownership. Even Gibbs couldn't pull the franchise out of its doldrums. Gregg Williams has had to at least had a good chuckle over this egg. He'll return to the playoffs long before the 'Skins will.

Posted by: 4th in the East | August 25, 2008 8:33 AM

Everyone knows that Richie Rich was blonde, clearly Snyder is not. Dumbass...

Ugh, did I just defend Snyder? Or Richie Rich? Either way I feel like I need a shower all of a sudden...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 25, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Strahan will come out of retirement (to fill for Osi) if the Gints give him 8 million...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3552159

Posted by: SCSkins | August 25, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Good point, TE. I'm thinking of the Vienna Boys Choir, in the Virginia suburts, out there at the end of the Metro. They could sing rings around the olympic chorus from Beijing.

Posted by: Mull It | August 24, 2008 10:14 PM

Have you heard the Brooklyn Boys Choir sing? They will knock your socks off.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company