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Zorn's Issue with Davis Is Lack of Trust

Fred Davis has been a hot topic - specifically because the rookie tight end can't get on the field for more than a play or two. Jim Zorn, who is as forthcoming as can be, chalked it up to a lack of trust.

Specifically, if Davis can't remember when to run a pass route and when to block, it's hard for Zorn to use him a whole heck of a lot. Davis is trapped behind elite tight end Chris Cooley, which is a given, but I asked Zorn to explain why the second-round pick has yet to even press journeyman Todd Yoder as the back-up tight end.

"It really is a matter of [Davis] doing his assignments correctly," Zorn said. "It's a trust factor. It's not a speed factor. It's not an ability factor. But it makes no sense for me to put a guy out there who can run real fast, but not going in the right direction. Or in some cases not even go out. It's not that he forgot, it's just that it didn't register."

Zorn said it's difficult to tolerate those kinds of mistakes, even if it happens just once or twice.

"If it happens at all, it's hard to trust," Zorn said. "So that's part of the issue."

Davis got off to a poor start with the coaches, missing one of his first offseason practices because he said he overslept and though he flashes significant talent in practice, the Redskins do not have the margin of error to overcome an interception or blown plays.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 17, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Aaronh81 | November 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Well this is better than hearing that Davis isn't playing because "he has Chris Cooley in front of him". At least with this, there's room for improvement. If he wasn't getting on the field because of Cooley, then the pick was just plain idiotic because that situation won't change anytime soon.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

And so, it all adds up. Zorn can't trust Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly, Durant Brooks, Devin Thomas, and the fans can't trust Vinny Cerrato to draft for need and depth. But we shouldn't worry: the dumb and unnecessary trade for Jason Taylor removed draft picks from the VinMan's clutches. Free Agency (again) anyone....?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Davis pick made no sense to begin with. Why use a #2 pick to back up a Pro Bowl TE? And if the guy can't figure out an alarm clock, do you really think he can read playbook?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Put the rookies on the field, Zorn is turning into Gibbs and Greg Williams with this I dont trust rookie crap. Put them in the game, sometimes talent can make up for lack of trust, let them earn your trust. especially in a game, some times when rookies make a mistake in a game they come back and make up for it because they dont want coach to be mad, versus in practice when there is no sense of urgency or winning and losing.


Put the rookies in, Zorn is becoming more of a Coach and less Zorn

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The only guy I trusted on this whole doggone roster was Leigh Torrence, and look where that got me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Does Jim Zorn trust Jason La Canfora?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

you gotta lose one of these weeks in FF, Nate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Before I come down from my PB&J-induced high, allow me to spread one ray of optimism:

We're 6-4 with a first-time head coach/play caller leading a team for which the quarterback is in his 87th different offense in 8 years.

Sure I'm frustrated about some of the problems we're having, but things could be a whole lot worse.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 5:15 PM

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that's our problem. Jimbo's level of trust is so thin, that everyone is afraid of making mistakes. Ergo, they play very tight and afraid to lose. There's got to be some room for error or they're just playing like robots out there.

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Put the rookies on the field, Zorn is turning into Gibbs and Greg Williams with this I dont trust rookie crap.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 17, 2008 5:15 PM

If the guys he does trust were making plays, I'd feel better about this. But a bunch of the trustworthy folks are getting steamrolled by their opponents.

Put them in the game. Like Reagan said "Trust but verify."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

That was pick well spent...a guy who plays a position we don't need and is football's answer to "Can't Get Right" from Life. Hey Vinny--when in doubt, DON'T DRAFT ANYONE FROM USC!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Free Agency (again) anyone....?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2008 5:13 PM

Yes, but it depends on the position. I figure, for better or worse, Springs eventual roster spot replacement is D. Hall. The other roster spot replacements (due to age/wear and tear) would be for Marcus, Cornelius, Kendall, and now Jansen (with an eye toward Samuels eventually).

Not sure what to make yet (for obvious reasons) of Rinehart. But the possible replacements for Marcus and Cornelius are not on the roster. I'm OK with drafting a DT and expecting immediate results, but one of those first three rounds in the draft is where the action has to be. Free agency starts before the draft. No need to go overboard, but SLB seems like one of the slots (as well as one guard or one offensive tackle) that should be targeted in free agency.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

So, is Fred Davis related to Andray Blatche?

Lots of nice furniture, big screen TV, carpeting; but not much in the attic.

Posted by: SteveMG | November 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Who the SJK is Zorn going to trust?

The 'Girls 2nd TE is playing. Did we pick up all the Dumb atheletes in the draft? I think not.

Dude, let your players play. That's the only way you're going to build trust.

Something is going on here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

you gotta lose one of these weeks in FF, Nate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:18 PM

It's Nate's league right? I'll bet he's the one that hired the refs, isn't he? Man, I had a bad feeling about that whole thing. Kost, in his "tipping competition" has at least had the good grace to choose Detroit, Oakland, and Kansas City every week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1, if the guy doesn't even remember to go out for a pass, I think he needs to calibrate his mental clock to the game clock.

[I'm being serious ... even at the risk of talent evaluator reaching out to mangle the obvious oversleeping joke here.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Q: Does Zorn trust his mother?

A: Yes, unless she runs a wrong route once.

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

During the game, I was kicking it up here (not sure anyone recognized my blogging under the influence). The battery on the Mac died at the end of the third quarter ... seems like that had an adverse effect on the game itself, so, um, sorry about that.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I remember RockyMac quotes about how it took a while before the game "slowed down" for him. WLB (and I'm guessing TE) probably are positions that require some adjustment (significantly for some guys) in stepping up from college speed to NFL speed. In Zorn I trust.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, to listen to Zorn, none of these rookies know what they are doing from one play to the next. We are in Week 11 now.

I'm starting to think either they drafted some really dumb guys, or there is an issue with the coaching.

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter | November 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm being serious ... even at the risk of talent evaluator reaching out to mangle the obvious oversleeping joke here.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:27 PM

Look, dude, if I'm going to be a mangler of jokes it's not going to be some obvious joke. I save my joke mangling for the subtle ones like the anonymous blogger who went to Six Flags in Atlanta.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

whats the point of putting people that you trust and they suck.. like the OL!!!

Posted by: rdscnz | November 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The one thing I am not seeing is Jason Campbell's progression. He seems to have taken a step back. Sure, some of it is the fault of the offensive line. But I don't see him as a big money QB at this point in time.

Posted by: Jenny6 | November 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I love the who cares if you trust them, they're talented so let them play. This is sand lot football, this is the NFL, every guy on that field is just as athletically gifted as a group of 2nd round picks. If they are too dumb to line up in the correct formation, run a pattern without interfering, run the proper pattern, wait to block until the pass is complete, or even run a pattern when they are supposed to they can't play, period. These are not Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, and Antonio Gates on the bench, these are a group of athletic second rounders that aren't head and shoulders more physically gifted than anybody else in the league, if they can't handle their assignments they can't play, its that simple.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Who the SJK is Zorn going to trust?"

Santana Moss, ARE, Thrash, Cooley, Yoder, Portis, Betts, Alexander, Springs, Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, Horton, Blades, Fletcher, Golston, Monty, L.Alexander, C.Wilson, Carter, Samuels, Thomas, and wait for it....Leigh Torrence.

Something tells me that Davis not being trusted goes beyond Zorn's lack of an ability to trust. Maybe Davis actually has to earn it, instead of trust being given to him freely.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Oops, forgot Durant Brooks on that list. If he trusted Brooks, then he REALLY doesn't have an issue trusting his players.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

... Maybe Davis actually has to earn it, instead of trust being given to him freely.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 5:37 PM

... like Dean Witter* ... one investor at a time ...

* before they got eaten up by Morgan Stanley ... who I don't trust.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

One of the interesting things about the Skins this year is that they are a bit schitzophrenic. They needed to decide if this year was a 'rebuild' year or a 'go for it' type of year.

On one hand, they drafted and kept 10 rookies and signed zero free agents. They bring in a new HC, with a new system. Sounds like rebuild.

On the other, they bring back the entire starting roster, which made the playoffs and pay a back-up QB good $$ not to leave. Plus, when a starting, but aging DE goes down, they trade draft picks to get a replacement in Jason Taylor.

But they sort of went one foot in.

If they are in 'go for it' mode, they make a trade for guys with contract issues like Houshmandzadeh or Boldin and pay them.

If they are in a rebuild mode, you don't get Taylor for 2 seasons, give up picks and push the cap limits

Me, I think they should have gone for it. Drafted heavily on the lines and LB -- sucked it up, mortgaged some future and gotten Boldin. But hey, thats just me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, to listen to Zorn, none of these rookies know what they are doing from one play to the next. We are in Week 11 now.

I'm starting to think either they drafted some really dumb guys, or there is an issue with the coaching.

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter | November 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The other guys seem to run the right routes and line up properly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The one thing I am not seeing is Jason Campbell's progression. He seems to have taken a step back. Sure, some of it is the fault of the offensive line. But I don't see him as a big money QB at this point in time.

Posted by: Jenny6 | November 17, 2008 5:35 PM

Um, he went from like a 73 QB rating to a 92 rating going into last night. If that's not progression, I don't know what is...

And who is a big money QB? Romo's not worth what he gets and besides 1 Pro Bowl he didn't deserve and the constant felating from ESPN (and Jessica Simpson), what's he got that Campbell doesn't? Campbell is less inclined to make costly mistakes and plays within himself. Romo turns it over and struggles to stay healthy (so far). Give JC his money and let's roll...Sonny's not walking through that door anytime soon. And if he does, he's like 80!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Its frustrating we can't get a rookie offensive player on the field with any consistency, but when the head coach says the rookie TE doesn't know when to run or block, I take his word for it. Davis' highlight reel from USC is impressive, especially last year, but this is the NFL and he needs to put in the mental effort to succeed. Give the young man time. If he gives us nothing this year, its not the difference between winning and losing.

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 17, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

rich20ssu speaks truth. Next year, in time, Davis' mental clock with sync up ... and we will finally see the three TE sets. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

this is incredible! how can all the other teams have rookies making significant contributions and our rookies can't even remember the plays? incredible!

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 17, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

When Devan Thomas was in he caused yet another penalty when he lined up. The TV announcers blamed Jansen for it.

Posted by: jgluke | November 17, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Can't remember assignments, doesn't know when to block, not trustworthy on the field...

This must be a typo, JLa. Zorn has GOT to be talking about Devin Thomas.

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"this is incredible! how can all the other teams have rookies making significant contributions and our rookies can't even remember the plays? incredible!"

That was my point but you said it better. Either we got the wrong rookies or the coaches aren't that good at teaching the system to rookies.

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter | November 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis was a mistake, thought so from day 1.

But one thing that is clear, the Skins should do more double TE formations, with two backs, Sellers and Portis. This team can't pass protect well enough, so put the ball in CP's hands and beat the other guys down. Our defense will keep us close until our run game takes over in the second half of games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Either we got the wrong rookies or the coaches aren't that good at teaching the system to rookies.

Posted by: HighPlainsDrifter

Pretty sure this is ARE's, Cooley's, Betts', and Yoder's first time in the West Coast system. They learned it from scratch just fine. I don't think it's the coaching.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Is this really from Jasno? As I was reading this it sure sounded like a guest blog by cork...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Last night's game really got me down, but thankfully McNabb is helping out by making me laugh.

This also from PFT, but you need to go click on the link to see the first picture.

MCNABB FALLOUT CONTINUES
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2008, 12:58 p.m. EST

Nearly a day after the fact, we still can’t even begin to comprehend the fact that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb didn’t know that an NFL game could end in a tie.

We mention it again because our SportingNews.com Ten-Pack addresses the potential consequences of McNabb’s admission.

And the one thing we keep coming back to is this: If he didn’t know that, what else doesn’t he know?

We also mention the McNabb thing again because Taco Bill (an Eagles fan) has put together not one but two Pics of the Day to commemorate the event.

This one illustrates the marketing potential that arises from the situation; this one offers a glimpse from the vicinity of McNabb’s fireplace on December 25.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/17/mcnabb-fallout-continues/

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

+++JC is Zorn's "project" so if he moves on from JC then his "Project" has failed. As a result Zorn will believe that he has also failed. People do not like to admit failure. JC is going nowhere as long as Zorn remains in DC.++++

Almost any NFL QB can shine when given time to pass and receievrs that are open.

JC, who was outstanding when he had good pass bl;ockign adn open receievrs is no longer outstanding, now that his line can't block and no one can get open for more than a handful of yards.

It's not that complicated a game. Lines win games. Skill position players get the women.


Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse


+++The Davis pick made no sense to begin with. Why use a #2 pick to back up a Pro Bowl TE? And if the guy can't figure out an alarm clock, do you really think he can read playbook?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:13 PM ++++

I well remember Vinny's post-draft comments. He said once he made up his iron clad draft document, he couldn't change it. It required him to take Davis. (I paraphrase, but not by much)

Wrong guy, wrong position, wrong "GM."

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is a going to be a good coach. He had a good stretch after the opener, but now its money time and he's not yet up to this level. As for the rookies, I doubt its Zorn's fault.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

(I paraphrase, but not by much)

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 6:40 PM

We paraphrase because we love, right Cork? ;)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not that complicated a game. Lines win games. Skill position players get the women.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 6:36 PM

And who ends up on the "hands team"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Who the SJK is Zorn going to trust?

T++++he 'Girls 2nd TE is playing. Did we pick up all the Dumb atheletes in the draft? I think not.+++--Fourth Floor

Yeah, the guy had more catches than all the skins rookies receivers combined an caught the winning pass. And what do you base your assumptiont he skins didnt' draft all dumb guys??

One forgot to buy an alarm clock. Two showed up out of shape. None can learn the playbook. The one who plays runs the wrong route. The one who doesn't play doesn't know whether to block or catch a pass. The one with the bad knee hurt it perhaps because he showed up out of shape.

+++Something is going on here.+++

And you think it's ZORN's fault? Yeah, makes sense. The guy who can't get healthy receivers on the field and is sabotaging himself....Honest to God, the Vinny-holics around here are beyond the pale with their specious specious logic.


Posted by: 4thFloor

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I can understand what Zorn is saying, and I can't tosome extent. Rookies are goingto make mistakes but also leaving their talent on the bench when the thret of that talent could be of some use is bothering me. Take for example Horton. He had his fair share of miskes when he started but his talent kept him on the field. I say give the rookies some run, and see what happens. we may end up with more good than bad.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla is right.

This season is what we thought it was, a transition year.

The big surprise has been that Zorn appears to be an outstanding rookie coach (A Horton kind of rookie).

Jason Campbell is showing composure and and flashes of his potential in this league (though he still appears to have much to learn).

I am frustrated with the lack of progress by the pass catchers: Thomas is showing potential, Kelly is missing in action, and Fred Davis is sleepwalking. But it is way to early to declare any of these rookies a bust.

I will never give up on this team, because the Redskins are my team and they always will be.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 17, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Nothing on Hall. You talk all damn week about Torrence. Hall make impact from his first start but nothing from you because it doesn't fit your agenda. Just weak man!!!

Zorn needs to come off that and give the rookies chances. Hell look at the line of vets that are making mistakes.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Note to Jim Zorn: give the ball more to Portis."

from CHFF.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 17, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

JLA,

Great work today. Tons of good stuff on here to read. Just wanted to let you know there are people out there that do appreciate everything you do for the blog.

-DMO

Posted by: dominic10464 | November 17, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't thrilled with the Hall signing. But I was thrilled when he made the pick. Hope to be wrong on Hall, a lot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"This season is what we thought it was, a transition year."

Who said they thought it was a transition year? We were a playoff team coming off a 4-game winning streak to end last season, when we had our starting QB, RG, RT, OLB, and CB on IR, and suffered the death of our best player. I don't think any Redskin thought this team was anywhere NEAR a transition team. We were a team that won 9 games without a large number of our best players. Even Snyder publicly stated that his expectations were a division title and at least 11 wins (quite a bit of pressure to put on a rookie coach).

No sir, this year was not a transition year. Jon Jansen's contract was re-upped, Jason Taylor was traded for, Chad Johnson was attempted to be traded for, and nearly every standing-on-their-last-leg veteran was kept in place for one last run. Far from a team in transition.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Romo threw that pick right into DHalls hands.
pinkie swear.
Amazing, only Carlos could have dropped that ball.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 17, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't thrilled with the Hall signing. But I was thrilled when he made the pick. Hope to be wrong on Hall, a lot.

Posted by: zcezcest1


This is what I am talking about dominic10464. I have no problem with JLC blasting the team. However, if he is going to blast them he should also be man enough to step up like zce and say when he is wrong. How can people blast Dan and Vinny for their postive spin on everything and say nothing about JLC negative spin?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

When did Dan Snyder say anything about 11 wins? I must have missed that.

While I understand what spizzle points out, I think certain aspects of the year do play like a transition year: new coach, new system, new 10 person draft class, etc. I suspect the Redskins may get caught in the middle here if they are not careful - not great in short term and not set up for greatness long term (but perennially good / contending for wildcard). Most towns would be pretty OK with that but I suspect not here.

Posted by: zornskins2 | November 17, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Most towns would be pretty OK with that but I suspect not here.

Posted by: zornskins2 | November 17, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Damn straight. No way we're putting up with the last 15 years again.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 17, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

JM, correct me if I am wrong, but JLA never bashed the Hall signing, in fact said at the low risk/cost was a no brainer. Now he said he wouldn't have cut Torrence but rather would have IRed Kelly or cut James/Jackson. Now considering both DEs were inactive with a squad that can't sack grocercies, he may have had a point...

But JM, my man, you have ground the axe down to a nub, than sanded it, than threw it out and got another. We get it, you don't like/agree/respect JLA already.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 17, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought it had long been established that Jasno is a talentless hack who spends more time wiping egg off his face than he does breaking any big stories.

My guess is he nearly defecated in his pants Sunday night when, after spending a frickin' week moaning in blog posts and articles about Leigh Torrence being cut, DeAngelo Hall stepped right in and got a pick.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

We get it, you don't like/agree/respect JLA already

That is so not true. I don't like/agree/or respect Chris Larry. Now I can move on. LOL

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Mr. JLC,

I like these kinds of blog posts...informative. Please keep this type of info coming. FO bashing is ok, in context, but getting hung up on it has gotten old.

Anyways, someone mentioned Houshmandzadeh. Love the guy...is he a FA after this season? Did you see him in the Philly game? He wanted the ball in his hands (punt returns, 3rd downs) and he makes ocho cinco look like a chump. Plus we could have 3 people to sound silly cheering for (Coooooooooooooollleyyyy, Smoooooooooooot, and Hooooooouuuuuusssshhhh)

Posted by: moo21 | November 17, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

PS: To be fair to Jasno, I'm certain bashing the Skins on a Monday after his team (Ravens) got steamrolled by the Jints is very therapeutic for him.

Vent, little buddy, vent.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Santana wasn't 100% and was contained. CP wasn't 100% and did what he could(not enough carries IMHO), after Moss, not one of the receivers scares a D. Cooley can cathc, but isn't that fast, ARE, Thrash, gimme a break. The O-line really looked old and tired the last two games. JC will be lucky to avoid a season ending injury with the line playing so poorly.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 17, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The Ice Package cometh....

Is JLC man enough to man-up?
I dunno, I think he may be too busy to worry about it (for the blog at least).

We know he is a Ravens fan (he deserves to be a fan, but cannot for understandable reasons be a Skins fan).

We know he has opinions. So, just the facts is not an option and lets all agree would be boring.

I'm not at JLC hater. He voices opinions I don't agree with, but I respect is outsider/insider reporting and opinions.

Full disclosure: I will say though I enjoy a Ravens loss now, more than I should. Before, I just didn't care.

Just my spin JM.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 17, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I am still trying to figure out why this franchise has such a hard time developing rookie skill players. I guess Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Harry Douglass, etc. don't make mistakes or have their playbooks memorized and are perfect rookies. But they get the chances to make plays. Just put them out there!

Posted by: tonyc | November 17, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Braylon Edwards cannot catch! poor Brady Quinn.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 17, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

k about the rookies, devin you did ok why the F did you drop that 3rd down slant? Last i checked ur name wasn't Rogers although

Posted by: bms46and2 | November 17, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

spizzle,

The Redskins started out this season like a team in the hunt (and we still are).

Last season we barely made the playoffs and mighty Seattle laid us low.

With the departure of Gibbs and Williams and the hire of Zorn and the new offense, the uncertain play of Campbell last season (remember our hero, whatshisname), a FO notorious for miscues, you had to think the Skins were at least one year away from being the dominant force we want them to be.

You don't have to call it a transition year, but that's what is spells to me.
This is the roller coaster I expected.

It's been a much better ride than I thought it would be.

But I'll take more speed and power at the end.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 17, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Just put them out there!

Posted by: tonyc | November 17, 2008 8:52 PM

I'm with you, sort of, on this. I also respect Zorn for setting a standard: if I can't trust you, you're not playing. It will serve these and future rookies well and next year's class won't report out of shape like this year's.

I hope Zorn and Cerrato are on the same page. If the problem is that Vinnie is drafting guys who are not capable -- due to intelligence or discipline -- to meet Zorn's standards, then we're at loggerheads.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I am with Stumped on this one. But I enjoy Jasno, kind of like the way I enjoy the 980 guys - I get my fan stuff elsewhere, so bring on the tougher questions.


Full disclosure: I will say though I enjoy a Ravens loss now, more than I should. Before, I just didn't care.

Just my spin JM.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | N

Posted by: zornskins2 | November 17, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn blamed the Thomas drop on Campbell's pass. Said it was low. May have been but a good WR catches it anyway.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 17, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

ZORNIE is just like Holmgreen..... who also doesn't tolerate foolish rookie mistakes.... that's what the classroom is for.. not the field.. too many times Davis gets caught in "no mans land".. he looks as he's trying to block and run a route

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 17, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

HEY WHEN DID THE WASHINGTON TIMES START RUNNING THE POST BLOG PLEASE; YOUR COMMENT HAS BEEN REJECTED FOR CONTENT ERROR AW MAN YOU KNOW THAT AIN'T RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 17, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me say for the record I don't hate JLC. I just think he needs to go by the same rules he put Vinny and Dan under.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 17, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn blamed the Thomas drop on Campbell's pass. Said it was low. May have been but a good WR catches it anyway.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 17, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse


Dang right...a good receiver makes that catch 9/10 times. A great player always makes it when the game is on the line. As the revered Vince Lombardi used to say, " if it touches your fingers, you should catch it". I thought JC put it in a good spot. It certainly hit his hands. Nobody cares about catching it in stride in this situation...move the chains!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 17, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

OK. I'm open to this idea getting completely bashed.

But as we lament over the lack of skill, smarts, ability, discipline, experience, size of our receiving corps, there is a certain veteran receiver out there with an outstanding track record of all of the above. It is not Ocho Stinko. It is not Housh. It is not Anquan. It is a guy buried on an atrocious team who is having the worst year of his career - TORRY HOLT.

Could we get this guy at a firesale price from a team that is totally looking to rebuild? I know he's had a crap year, but I can't believe he's as finished as he's looked. I believe it is largely due to the all around crapness of the team.

But he's a savvy vet with experience and ability who would still be aeons better than any No. 2 receiver we have. Could also teach the young ones a thing or 2...

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Hi all. Not sure if I have the stomach to read through the blog tonight. Just got back into town. Rough game last night. Would have been nice if we could have only played 3 quarters. The bright side is that we are still very much in the thick of things, just need to get the spark we had in the beginning of the season.

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has a thing for white tight ends. Its no way in the world should mr white man todd be in front of a faster black man"Mr Davis". Zorn is from seatle were its only 2% black population.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

1. Zorn "blames" the QB for a throw... RI says he should have made the catch anyway... hmm, who to believe.
2. Umm, Roy Williams was traded to Dallas at the trade deadline. Maybe we could file for an extension?
3. Suzanne, any other questions?

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

POOLMAN, WHEN IN VEGAS, DO YOU EVER BET 'RED' OR IS IT ALWAYS 'BLACK'?

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Zorn was born and raised in California.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

JC will be lucky to avoid a season ending injury with the line playing so poorly.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | November 17, 2008 8:39 PM


This is a concern of mine also. Opposing defenses have teed of on Campbell this year--at times. It just looks like the o-line is starting to wear down judging from the last two games.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think poolman is actually Robert Downey, Jr. He still hasn't been able to get out of character from Tropic Thunder.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

This is a concern of mine also. Opposing defenses have teed of on Campbell this year--at times. It just looks like the o-line is starting to wear down judging from the last two games.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2008 9:42 PM


They're only teeing off on Campbell because he's black.

White QBs never get hit. In fact, opposing defenses usually give them gift bags after each play.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks daggar, you may have saved me a lot of time!

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I can also recap (precap?) from my post this morning:

So the consensus is to fire everyone, replace the GM and owner, and move back to RFK.
Looks like we're in for a busy week.

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

What's going on with Chris Berman's hair in the back?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Guess I am just the internal optimist. Yes, I HATE that we lost yesterday and that the offense only seemed to click on the first drive. But, the result of the game is that we are now tied for the NFC East - 10 games into the season. I mean, everyone pretty much forgot about us at the beginning of the season and we were supposed to finish last in our division - the fact that we are where we are and played so well in the beginning of the season is fantastic to me. I mean, had Dallas lost last night their season would have been over. We lost and it sucks, but it just means that we are tied with the rest of the potential wild cards rather than in line for one of them.

My glass is always half full I guess!

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

They're only teeing off on Campbell because he's black.

White QBs never get hit. In fact, opposing defenses usually give them gift bags after each play.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse


I've noticed that Hispanic QB's regularly get drafted by teams just north of the border.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 17, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I think poolman is actually Robert Downey, Jr. He still hasn't been able to get out of character from Tropic Thunder.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 9:43 PM
============================================
It's an act, that's for certain.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 17, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh and on another note, how is it possible that Donovan McNabb didn't realize that NFL games could end in a tie? When they discuss all the playoff scenarios, it always includes if Team X wins or TIES - did he just think people made that part up? Or it was like baseball and they would just force you to play and play and play for hours on end?

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I just love how everyone on here knows exactly the right draft pick to make, the right plays to call,the right free agents to sign, right players to cut, ect., ect,. halfway throught the season. Its amazing that none of you are running a franchise right now. Doesn't anyone in the league know how much football knowledge you have? The whole draft a bust huh? Chris Horton? ya he's a bust. Never understood drafting Davis but i think eventually Kelly and Thomas pay off.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | November 17, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

IF JASON WAS WHITE, NO ONE WOULD BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD. 99% OF THE MEN ON HERE DON'T APPROVE OF THE WAY JASON IS PLAYING. A LARGE PART IS B/C JASON IS BLACK. REMEMBER VA WAS ONE OF THE LAST STATES TO FREE SLAVES. LET JASON GROW, AFTER ALL HIS FOUR FATHERS WAS INSLAVED BY THE STATE OF VA FOR 430 YEARS.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell had four fathers? Is that anything like 3 men and a baby?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

What's going on with Chris Berman's hair in the back?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

His toupe is slowly overtaking him

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

You all really have to lay off of Campbell. This is his second full year as a starter, and first in the west coast offense. Were you seriously expecting the man to be flawless through 10 GAMES of the Jim Zorn Era. Oh wait, he was FLAWLESS through the first eight.
Now granted, at times he doesn't always play like the brightest qb -- and funny how no one takes a jab at his southern upbringing, just his race--- but let's remember that Hasselback struggled early on, as did the Mannings and McNabb.

This team is deeply flawed. And you're asking a lot if you think that a change at QB is the immediate solution to the problems.

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | November 17, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_1

Well you and I will just disagree then. The coaching change was forced upon Danny, he didn't choose for Gibbs to leave. From there, he chose who he thought was the best candidate.

Coming off of last season, I fully expected this team to be at 10 wins (at least). My gut feeling is that Danny/Vinny expected it too. Do I expect them to be better next season? Sure. But in no way do I see this as a transition year. A couple years ago when Joe Salavae, Lemar Marshall, Renaldo Wynn, Walt Harris, etc. were released, that's a year I envisioned as a transition year. When JC started his first season as a QB, that was a transition year.

This year, coming off a playoff appearance, riding a 4-game win streak (where we went INTO NY and pounded the Super Bowl champs Giants), all without several key players (Campbell, Rogers, Macintosh, R.Thomas, Jansen, and who can forget ST), this team knew they were better than their record showed. The FO believed it too, otherwise they would have dumped older, higher paid vets like Griffin, Springs, Daniels, Jansen, and Thomas with idea of clearing cap room for a run next season. And they certainly would not have explored the option of trading for Chad Johnson, nor would they have pulled the trigger on the trade for Jason Taylor. They also would not have spent their 3 highest draft picks on an immediate need, rather than using them for more critical long-term needs (offensive and defensive lines, both of which are aging far worse than WR).

In almost every sense, this team was built for a run RIGHT NOW. Snyder is not dishing out $30 million contracts to old veterans just so they can hold the fort over for a year or two.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

suzanne, maybe McNabb's been watching a lot of hockey and thought there would be a shootout.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody! (Hey Dr. Nick!)

Ten games in, the 'Skins are two to three games better than most of us thought when the final whistle blew at Giants stadium in week one. They certainly have lots to fix, but thus far it looks like they can make repairs on the fly. They're competitive, and they're in the mix for a wildcard. If they get in, anything can happen as the Jints proved last year. We can't win the division, but we can slug it out for a wildcard. And if they don't make it this year, then they gave it a heckuva try for all their off-season woes last year. Lighten up! It's all good!

Posted by: Schroeder12 | November 17, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The one thing I am not seeing is Jason Campbell's progression. He seems to have taken a step back. Sure, some of it is the fault of the offensive line. But I don't see him as a big money QB at this point in time.

Posted by: Jenny6 | November 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

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Actually that's the one thing I am seeing.

That 50 yrd pass into good double coverage hit Moss right in the hands - that's progress.

ARE dropped a 1st down pass on 3rd down that that hit him square but a little low too.

The problem is we only got to see them try ONE pass >20yrds cause his pocket is only lasting 3 or 4sec.

Where could he still use progression? Under pressure he throws well rolling outside often using a kind of side-arm. BUT he doesnt have a good move up the middle stepping forward past a rush and then making a throw which would really help.

Posted by: mac2j | November 17, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

1. O line can't pass protect, D line can't rush the passer.

2. Rookie head coach

3. Young QB is learning ANOTHER new system

4. Only one WR on the roster who scares anybody

5. Having trouble keeping the #1 and #2 RBs healthy.

Skins fans, we should be doing backflips to celebrate being 6 - 4 and still in the playoff hunt.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 17, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate - My sister and I were laughing about that this morning - did he think after ther period of overtime it turned into some crazy shoot out or something (that the Eagles felt the need never to have him practice or know about). Cracks me up.

You going to the game this Sunday?

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle,

All due respect, dude, but how could this not be a transition year? Let's see, New head coach who was never even an OC, and a new DC, (granted, a double G disciple).

Okay, so now we're running a new offense that, at least in the passing game, requires incredible timing and experience to be successful.

I was hoping after our awesome start we would keep it going. Am I surprised we're struggling. Absolutley not. My hope is we can find a way into the playoffs and make a little noise. My expectation is we won't and will struggle in the next few years while Z-man establishes his identity. We're in for a ride, but I'm going to try and enjoy it because I think our coach may be a keeper.

HAil Skins. F Seattle

Prediction: S Alexander will have a significant role next Sunday in Skins victory!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 17, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

well for the record i HATE jasno. he makes me "look" like a psychzo up here. i loved the reporting of today's events today(?)...good work. keep it medium just don't delve into the why's. leave that to the experts, and by that i mean us. ;)

4th, regarding something going on up here...i'm hoping a clash of the titans. coach vs. vinny. wishing please please let that be true. cuz you know what no amount of draft talk is going to matter cuz the dude/vinny is still going to be doing the picking. so expect 3 straight WR's or 3 straight DB's or something...the dude sucks as a personnel person.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

You betcha. I'm going with freakzilla, who scored us some awesome tix.

Not quite as psyched about the game as I would have been had we, say, won last night... but still fairly psyched.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Poolman will tell ya, you can't tell McNabb everything about football. Jimmy the Greek explained it all to me once.

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

nate, you worried? 22 more points by my team...actually 23...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

we need another high profile player to be disgruntled with his team and his team to cut him...and clear the wire and skins sign him...preferably a WR and a pass rushing defensive lineman and an offensive lineman ohh and a linebacker...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

speaking of fantasy, give some props to suzanne, who had a real run of bad luck to start the season -- including one week where she scored #2 in points overall and still lost -- but is surging at the right time.

Surging to 3-8, but it's the principle of the thing.

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"All due respect, dude, but how could this not be a transition year? Let's see, New head coach who was never even an OC, and a new DC, (granted, a double G disciple)."

As I stated, the new HC was not by choice, but by force. Gibbs was not asked to leave. From there, Danny/Vinny chose who they thought was the best candidate. Simple as that.

The defensive scheme remains the same. The defensive coaches were all here last year. The Special Teams coach remains the same. The running game remains the same. Offensive line coach remains the same. WR coach remains the same. All the player personnel from last year, save for guys that were literally picked up midseason (like Mccardell, Caldwell, and Mix) were retained. The ONLY thing that really changed was the passing game and the two men at the top of that (Zorn/Mitchell).

The entire offseason, including the draft, was tailored towards winning this year. There is no part of me that feels this was supposed to be a "transition" year. Sorry, but I don't buy that.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

I'm thinking Torry Holt probably has gotten a lot cheaper this year. A lot lot lot cheaper The guy has HOF stats and is 32. In NFL history, only Jerry Rice has gone over 15,000 receiving yards. Holt is about 12,300 now.

He is a stop gap player, potentially 2-4 years of decent productivity left after this season. So yes, for the right price, Torry Holt would be worth considering.

For guys like me who prefer the big target possession types, Housh and Boldin were at the top of my list, but they will cost you. I thought we might be able to get Boldin with his contract thing (he is way underpaid) from AZ in preseason. He wasn't going to come cheap then. But now the price has gone way up. Way way way up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks daggar - I am officially better than the Bengals. Seriously, Kurt Warner is the best FF QB and while the rest of my team looked great, they haven't really gotten it together until the last couple of weeks. Just in time to barely miss the playoffs...

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 17, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, it seems to me that is the Jerry Jones approach (and until perhaps recently, the Dan Snyder approach).

Buy all the pieces, put 'em together, yay you win!

But it doesn't seem to work. It's not a substitute for building a sound football operation.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 17, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Boldin is out of our price range. The guy has more receiving TDs than any two players on any other team. And he even missed two games because of an illegal hit.

Holt is a good thought, at the right price. Haven't seen enough of him to know if he's lost too much, but the Spaghetti Gang can do their homework on this. He is there to fill a need for a couple years. Teams do that all the time.

We've got a glaring problem at WR. Holt may solve the problem. But that is for the offseason.

Your point about building a team is a good one. I look at situations like our WR and figure if there is an immediate solution and the improvement is so dramatic -- you've got to consider it. But that is the way to plug hole or two, not build a team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

dealer, it's right there for the taking. If you want to finish the job and win our fantasy matchup, go right ahead, dude. I don't 'deserve' to win the division given that Zeke's team is better in every way aside from their record. So feel free to do the honors.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

What i love about the Zorn comment is that it is vintage Zorn - brutally honest but not in a disparaging way. He's telling the kid "your not a professional yet" with a smile. Easy for averyone playng for him to know what the standards are and to fix.

I can see us making the playoffs by a hair, traveling to GB or AZ and having a good chance to win one before going down to NYG or CAR--but we could steal one of those.

This wasn't supposed to be our year and we don't have the personnel to exectue the WCO properly yet. So what? We're far more competitive than any of us thought we'd be this summer. Don't tell me that we wouldn't have all settled for a split with Dallas if asked in August. It's been a fun ride so far and after the NYG game we have a chance to run the table and finish strong for a great year.

Posted by: Cookie4 | November 17, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Dealer has pulled even here. I am rooting for a good matchup - like the stalemate.


Posted by: zornskins2 | November 17, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I shocked the world!!!!

Zce, need 1 more point to beat Nate...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

tried posting this a few minutes back ...
Snap!!! Dealer might upset Nate in FF!! 8-2 Nate. Who is a lousy 1/2 game ahead of 8-3 me. Dealer comes from behind to tie it at 90, getting 18 from Jerome Harrison (who?) and 9 from Braylon Edwards. With 11 minutes to go. I'm into it now!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

FF is nuts. Arrington scores no TDs all year and gets 2 this weekend. Harrison hasn't sniffed double digits all year long and he has 18 points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate, no pleasure in beating you and i still need one more point but you saw what I had to do to give you a good game...with my studs all but gone...trying to make the PLAYoffs here...just one more point

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

You hold the tiebreaker Dealer ... bench points. Tyler Thigpen with 24

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

damn that was close!!! Good game Nate too bad it's going to end in a tie

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

can braylen edwards catch anything?

Posted by: chrislarry | November 17, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

zornskins ... dominating the league. You are so good, you intimidated me into a dumb move or I woulda beaten you. Figured Delhomme might be better vs Tampa than Rivers vs NE. Wrong by 32 points. More than enough for me to pull the upset.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes, now Cleveland has to throw the ball. Throw it to Edwards. Throw it to Edwards

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

dealer by 2!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- you got company at 8-3 at the top of the division. Now I gotta beat the 1-10 guy next week.

Which, if you look at the matchup, is gonna be a major challenge. he had 91 points this week from his starters ... and 76 from his bench!!! Guys who weren't starters or were out have come back. Hightower, Addai, Pittman. Choice of Kerry Collins or Jeff Garcia at QB. Andre Johnson at WR

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank god for giving me this opportunity and the ability to play football, fantasy. My mom for believing in me, my


Dang this a good game or what?!?!?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

unclaimed FF stud of the week. Phil Dawson, 21 points as a kicker

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

you know Dealer, when you promised a win last week ... i was ummm errrr ummmm skeptical. Wasn't even paying attention to this game because you were so far back. But hey, you knew what you were doing, going with Harrison!! Genius

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

why would bills not pass???

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Dealer ... even I wanna thank your Mom

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Zce, as buck would say IMPROBABLE!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!! That was sweet. Im out...sorry Nate

Posted by: dealer1 | November 17, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you got Moo next week ... he was #1 in points this week and he had to sit Portis ...

If Moo beats you and I get beat, it'll be 3 teams at 8-4 with 1 week to go!! A tough division.

Meanwhile, dealer is 6-5, tied for the lead in his division ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato performed no due diligence before drafting Davis in the 2nd round. I remember Davis saying he had no contact with the Skins before the draft and was surprised when they picked him. Draft blindly in the invaluable second round, and you deserve to find yourself with a numbskull. That's not just lazy GM-ing, but incredibly irresponsible when making crucial personnel decisions for a one billion dollar plus business. Cerrato would be fired in any other job......


Posted by: SammyT1 | November 18, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate,
You're in good hands in SEA.
Zilla really knows his football.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

As Commissioner of the second (but in no way inferior) RI fantasy F-ball league, I may need to exercise my ability to magically "Adjust Scoring."

You know, to right the wrong of dealer's snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

I friggin' hate fantasy F-ball. Ah well.

Zeke, your team has been better all season. It's only right for your team to represent our division in the playoffs. I tip my fantasy hat to you.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 18, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate -- except for the fact my last two are gonna be tough ... I'm telling you, Batch may be 1-10, but that was because he had a bunch of guys who weren't playing earlier. His 17 player total this week was 165 points!! He was unlucky and still got 89 points this week!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 18, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Nate,
You're in good hands in SEA.
Zilla really knows his football.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 18, 2008 12:44 AM


Stumped, I don't recall you imbibing any adult beverage at the playoff game last year, so I have no idea how you could remember it that way. ;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Not quite as psyched about the game as I would have been had we, say, won last night... but still fairly psyched.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2008 10:34 PM


Bacon pancakes.

Investigatory journalism.

Killer seats.

Only fairly psyched?

Do we need to base jump off the Space Needle Sunday morning to get your blood pumping?

Posted by: freakzilla | November 18, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Whats up peeps!

Trip to DC was great, save for the game itself. Thanks to all who volunteered places to go, etc, the family had a blast!!

My first trip to Fedex, despite the loss was a ton of fun as well. Great seats, tons of skins fans around us. Good times....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Im glad you had a good time to bad the offense played like sh!t, you missed all the doom and gloom of yesterday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 18, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

But we should be able to stage a reprise for him, right peeps!?

Posted by: daggar | November 18, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks man, yeah, I can only imagine how it was yesterday. Sky is falling, etc.

I will say this, Jansen needs to go...Buges needs to get Heyer ready, put him in there, and lets go. Jansen got picked up, and practically THROWN into Campbell.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Beeps, and stuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Will some of you people stop with the "Why use a 2nd round draft pick to backup a probowl player?" comments. Did you see who caught the winning pass for the Cowboys? Martellus Bennett, who looked liked a space cadet in training camp. The Cowboys didn't have a problem using a 2nd round pick on a position where they had a Pro Bowl player already. People can bash Vinny all they want for the 2nd round picks, but Zorn has to let these guys play and let them learn from their mistakes. Why wait for Malcolm Kelly to get healthy then when he finally gets through practice last week not use him because of the same old "he's not ready to contribute yet" or "he hasn't earned the coaches trust" garbage? I'd rather let Thomas, Kelly, and Davis see what they can do then keep putting trustworthy but unexplosive players like Thrash, Yoder, and even Randle El in some cases on the field.

Posted by: moseley_brian | November 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

ALSO IT SEEMS THAT THE GUY THAT DO KNOW THE PLAYS WHAT ARE WE ACCOMPLISHING W THEM 2 FAT LOSSES PRIMETIME BACK TO BACK NO MORE EXCUSSES

Posted by: kedranb | November 23, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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