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Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly

OK, this is getting a little bizarre. Three pass catchers with the first three picks. Gonna be very interesting to get all of these guys on the field at once. All big guys. Still have Cooley, Moss, ARE as big money guys under contract.

The USC TE never expected to be with the Skins - they asked him for his contact info and had little other contact with him - but in the West Coast offense you spread them multiple TEs a bunch.

Kelly, the Skins obviously liked a whole lot more than most other teams. Guess they couldn't pass him up, even after taking other pass catchers. Even with the slow 40 time and the knee issues and some concerns about his attitude.

Seems like overkill, but who knows. Pretty surprised they have neglected the lines entirely.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 26, 2008; 8:01 PM ET
 
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wow

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

They did pretty darn good getting young line talent last year with undrafted FAs

Posted by: Mel Kipper's Hairspray | April 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Great Moves! Ignore the Haters!

Posted by: Go Skins! | April 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

wtf is going on here??? Why a TE????

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

this is why everyone else in the league thinks we're a joke.....


great job danny boy!

Posted by: tnt828 | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

wtf wheres the d-line

Posted by: kyle | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. Should have taken Campbell at 48. No OL or DL taken in 3 picks. So Stupid.

Posted by: Holler | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

west coast on the east coast...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Bad day for Anthony Mix

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Scouts, Inc.'s Gary Horton: They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It has been the goal of the organization to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WRs, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game down field. You now open things up for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to matchup against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

Posted by: Greg | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskins suck, they blew it, we will never ge4t to a qb

Posted by: Dukes | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

BIG GRAVITY BONG!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny and Snyder should be forced to sell the team for the good of the team.

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

My guess is Calais Campbell is a Skin now if he doesn't go the pick before them. Think it's true with Merling also. Good picks if there really isn't second round talent on the lines. Still, I'm... well... Really?

Posted by: Jim | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Stunned....

Have to get away from the TV.

Can only hope they know what they're doing.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me that they are taking the top players on their board regardless of position. That is an encouraging sign.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing. If you are building a team for the long term, you aren't going to solve all of your problems in one year. The Skins needed a WR. Will Thomas pan out? Who knows. Will Kelly? Who knows. We got good value for both of them, and the odds are good that at least one of them will be good enough to let ARE move to the slot this year. Add Fred Davis to that, and Campbell has all the weapons he could ever want.


Now you hit the lines and defensive skill positions. Not all of that can be accomplished next year, but next year as well.

Better to take great value picks, or BPA, than to reach on some shady talent.

Posted by: Todd | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

they get an F for this draft. What about our other needs. I was excited about having three second rounders, but this is mind boggling. No D line or O line????

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely pathetic! This is why we are a joke to everyone.

Nothing against Kelly and the USC TE, and I hope they end up being All Pro's, but we need D-Line and O-Line help BADLY, and this was a perfect opportunity.

Typical Skins move

Posted by: AK | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

How can people defend this.

This can not be real.

This is a freeking joke.

Does our coach get a veto.

2nd round fill a need unless something great comes along.

Posted by: mul | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I think this was a clear case of best player available at each of the picks. Still kind of speechless we went all offense on the first day. I'm scared we didn't pick one linemen, D or O. Guess that's what day two is for.

Posted by: Gfunk | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we haven't drafted a DL on the 1st day of the draft since Kenard Lang!

Posted by: Holler | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

It's not likely that more than one of these guys pushes for a starting job this year, so really what we are getting is depth for now, insurance for Santana Moss, and a good looking future at WR/TE

Posted by: wemiss21 | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

and there goes groves too. how do you mess up such a promising trade?!?!?!

Posted by: tnt828 | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

wow...overkill is the word of the day.

this is ridiculous. you need to bolster both of your line as well as depth to the secondary and you add 2 wrs and a te.

apparently we're going to going to the ghost backfield alot this season.

Posted by: Overkilled | April 26, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Snerrato is and always will be a first class donkey. And I don't know what his man-crush fetish is with WRs. Wouldn't surprise me if I woke up tommorrow and read about how we've also traded our next 5 first round picks for Chad Johnson and then traded Laron Landry and Jason Campbell to Zona for Boldin, then went and picked up Chris Henry.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I guess coach Zorn is instilling a West Coast offense featuring 5-wideouts all the time LOL. This is ridiculous. Campbell I'm sure is drooling to throw to these guys but ummm I pray he'll have the time to do it Let's go into training camp with 10 wide receivers shall we? Hell let's draft Moe, Larry, and Curly in the later rounds. They may do a solid job on the lines.

Posted by: Jonathan | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

they should have taken campbell from miami instead of the TE from USC. Oh, well. In vinny we trust -- that's why I have no confidence in our front office.

Posted by: george | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Why take a TE like Davis? You realize how important a pass catching TE is in the wco? Well if cooley were to get hurt..they would be srewed...with both healthy creates serious match up problems which will be huge for both Davis and cooley...who will I might ad line up in the slot at times with davis at TE.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

should've gone campbell at 48, either the TE or WR at 51 would be fine then. but why no DE? why never a DE? ahhh!

Posted by: andy | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I was ready to be Captain Benifit of the doubt guy....but wow this is beyond the tard pale....

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

SERIOUSLY WE PASSED ON CAMPBELL AND GROVES FOR USC BACKUP AND KELLY? SO WE ARE JUST GOING TO WHAT SCORE ON EVERY PLAY??? I AM SO AMAZINGLY UPSET AT THIS F.O. WE COULD HAVE SOLVED 3 PROBLEMS EASILY AND WE GO AND DO THIS CRAP! UNBELEIVEABLE

Posted by: CONFUSED | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

campbell was the pick but he was gone so they grabbed what they liked. they prob have a plan for 3rd rounder DE...maybe chris ellis?

Posted by: ben | April 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

we'll need all those receivers with about 0.5 secs protection to play with. maybe some of them can double up as DB's - or maybe even DL's??

is it too late to go back for #85?? what a joke...

Posted by: michael martin | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

not to worry

We have a plan.

(change formation rules - everyone can catch the ball in 2010)

Posted by: vinny | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Well....looks like we have become the Detroit Lions.....

I'm trying to be positive but how is Campbell going to get the football to all these weapons when he is on the ground - or the other team always has the ball due to our lack of defense.

I'm very confused.....

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've seen what the trade has resulted in...I rather take Philip Merling at #21 and Malcolm Kelly at #52 than what we got.

Posted by: Rob | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

bad miscalculation... guess they didn't think arizona was lookin at campbell? they shoulda picked him with 48 and then got either kelly or kelly with 51.

i almost wanted to believe in cerrato with the trade down, but i should have known better

Posted by: max | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Could there be a package they're trying to come up with? These guys for Chad? Hope not!

Posted by: wanderson3 | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty surprised they have neglected the lines entirely."

That is why you have the late round picks and Bugel.

Posted by: jmcdon1018 | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

How is it possible we didn't get Campbell or Groves. Went right around our two picks. Even if they wanted to add another receiver - debatable, but decent hedge - the pick of Davis is just inexcusable when you have a pro bowler already there and just glaring needs all along the D Line. Campbell is 6'7" for crying out loud. How could we not go for him or Groves at 48 then if they were determined to get another receiver, take Kelly at 51. Pathetic.

Posted by: kg | April 26, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

You all shut the F up. I'm going to trade S Moss for a big O Line guy. You watch.

Posted by: Vinmaster | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN Chat-

Scouts Inc Gary Horton-

They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It's been the goal of the organisation to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WR's, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game downfield. You now open up things for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to match up against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I like the Kelly pick. He could have been a 1st rounder if the draft had broken a little differently. Now Moss, Kelly and Thomas will be on the field at the same time. IMO this will result in a ton of 5 receiver sets because of the Davis pick, which I hate. Most NFL teams that have run a version of the WCO have only needed one pass catching TE and Cooley is that TE.

The problem with this is that Clinton will HAVE to stay in to block for JC and this also puts a ton of pressure on old guys on the OL.

Part of me worries we're going to be seeing the Spurrier offense Part Deux with JC in the role of Patrick Ramsey and getting sacked 5 times a game because there's too many guys out on routes and the D just blitzes the Skins to death.

Posted by: Chris | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

A disappointoing use of all that manuevering! To acquire 3 second picks and a 4th for a 1st & 3rd and then to turn around and draft 2-Wide receivers-astonishing!

Posted by: armchairGM | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

which receiver just became expendable?

anyone think either kelly, thomas, or davis gets traded?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Um, yeah. Who is going to block long enough for Campbell to get the ball to these guys?

Posted by: lizzle | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Matt Millen would be proud

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

this has been a great draft what we need to get to a qb and play deff if are o scores everytime with all the weapons we have now are off should be unstoppable

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that we are paying Moss, ARE, and Cooley and are now going to throw 2nd round money at Thomas, Kelly and Davis. I don't know who is taking bong hits and Scouts, Inc., but I don't see the Skins running 6 reciever formations.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

It's still only the 2nd round. Let's wait until the full draft pans out before we tell Danny to sell the team

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Drafting a lineman because you need a lineman is the quickest way to kill a franchise. You always take the best player available whatever the position.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Was I seeing things?

Or did Malcom Kelly roll his eyes and make a little crazy gesture with his finger to his temple when ESPN showed him as the pick was made?

plz rewind tivo and let me know I'm not crazy or that is definitely a bad sign!

Posted by: Jah | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Tough day for the Black & Maroon faithful.

Posted by: J. Zorn | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

wHERE'S THE 'OL BALL COACH WHEN YOU NEED HIM???

Posted by: tnt828 | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I understand u need a TE in WCO (gag) so backing up Cooley is key...BUT NOT IN THE SECOND ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

i hope zorn's offense runs a lot of 2TE, 4WR sets. otherwise, one of these picks or one of the contracts (moss, ARE, cooley) is going to waste.

(is that even possible?)

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

overall this has been a terrible day... terrible trade... terrible picks... terrible owner...terrible gm... just lost... bpa is fine but you cant neglect desperate needs.. dont get why we didnt take sweed... who i think is a better wr than both thomas ans kelly but whatever... we needed to take groves or calias campbell or something not wr... really lost..and angry and done with the skins for a little

Posted by: lost | April 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Cannot believe we didnt grab any linemen!?!?!?! WTF??? That was the achilles heel over the last years - no pass rush and no pass protection. Spurrier proved that you cannot go anywhere without talent on the lines...

Posted by: Gus In Leesburg | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Im going to hold off on developing my ulcer until I hear those brainiacs explain themselves. Im sure it will be chalked full of cliches but damn. Just damn.

08 will be Tanamans last season in DC.

Fare thee well Tana!

Posted by: BobbyMo | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone forget the young linemen drafted last season? Also does anyone remember we had some serious injuries last year on the o line and some were out and the backups who have resigned played pretty well....Why all of sudden is the O line such a big deal in the draft I dont see that...now dl yes...

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone tell Snerrato that we can't run 11 wide receivers out onto the field. Someone please tell him quickly that the the game require us to actually field people at other positions besides WR.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Or did Malcom Kelly roll his eyes and make a little crazy gesture with his finger to his temple when ESPN showed him as the pick was made?

Posted by: Jah | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM

Funny, that was my reaction when I heard the pick too. Maybe Kelly realized being the 6th expected pass-catcher isn't exactly what he was looking for.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

You'd have to think Mike Sellars won't be on the field much next season!

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to calm down. It's painfully obvious that they just used those three 2nd rounder to put together a package for Chad Johnson.

Posted by: Alex | April 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The only positive that I can come up with it hopefully having both rookie WR - one of them will rise to the occasion rather than putting all of our eggs in one basket.

But thats the only silver lining I can come up with. If they don't find a way to snag the C Pollack from ASU i'll be pissed.

Posted by: Kill Me | April 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

And there goes Groves and Sweed who is a better WR Than Kelly!!! I can't believe this. Sad thing is, Jacksonville knows what they are doing, we don't. Groves was the guy. Huge drop off at DE from here!

Posted by: redryan400 | April 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Big bodies to put out there who can take the punishment of the rule changes (force outs). We'll look like idiots if any of the OL or DL picks we missed in the 2nd crush us this season, but if none of them are spectacular, I'm happy with our starter on the lines...depth is still a concern. Maybe they'll address those needs tomorrow.

Anyone else think Steve Young needs to get out of the Draft conversation? Also, I am ashamed to admit I enjoyed Keyshawn's commentary.

Posted by: Section 102 | April 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelley, Cooley, Davis...Wow!

Posted by: Landry | April 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

amazing what crack can do to some people... I wonder.. how do we throw to these clowns??? Samuels is almost done... Jansen.. lately his injuries have to be questioned... Campbell.. mobile to a small degree...

and Williams is no longer coaching the D... that leaves Bugel.. can he maintain the O Line to the level he was able to last year?? does the West Coast Offense allow for no protection??? okay Portis can block to a small level... when its required..

sorry... I could go on and on... seems to me... this draft is failing... Vinny and Dan... morons...

Football is all about the TRENCHES.... the line of scrimmage... both sides.... O and D...

Just say no to DRUGS..... apparently... VINNY and DAN have the water pipe blazing...... to bad... so sad....

Posted by: talontbo | April 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Unreal, you guys are such haters! We were lucky to score 20 pts a game. Cant you see they are trying to put weapons around our young QB?!?! Besides our D was good last year, if you think about it, it was the O that lacked. This has the makings of a very potent offense. So we sourround our young QB and first year coach with playmakers and you all whine for Vinny's head. I don't get it.

-DayTrader

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Granted, you could say we have a bunch of up and coming linemen, but we don't have enough. Our C is ancient, and we have nobody to replace him. Heyer needs another year to develop; coaches liked what they saw but he needs more work. Alexander is also quite good, but that leaves three more positions. On defense, Golston and Montgomery are good, Rocky needs some time to recover, and Blades needs some work. That still leaves DE. Daniels is ancient and must be replaced soon. I just don't understand it. Why do we need 5 WR and 3 TE?

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Moss, ARE, Kelly, and Thomas running loose in the secondary.

That means Cooley will be covered by slow-ass LBs. Look for big points next year.

Posted by: SCSkins | April 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson is a Redskin.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I actually like the big TE pick for the aforementioned pass matchup reasons, but anyone who saw Cooley get blowed over in the Seattle playoff game last year should know that we could not trust him to seal the strong-side edge. A big TE will help us in the running game, no doubt, and his blocking ability will create a play action nightmare for defenses.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | April 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

They are going to trade CS for me.

I will hit all the receivers in stride like in GB.

Posted by: Bret F. | April 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

No truth to the rumor the skins are removing the D from their name.

Posted by: BigOLittleD | April 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey you guys have to be reminded what happened last year once Santana got hurt we really had no other WR's to step in and become a threat yes we do need O-line and D-line help and it's still quality guys out there and atleast we have guys over 6 feet tall i don't think they'll miss on D-line or O-line atleast the need @ WR is taking care of

Posted by: salsibury md | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Folks, recall it was reported that an executive from another NFC East team fell on the floor laughung when he heard that Vinnie was promoted to EVP of Football Operations. Well now the executives on the other 30 teams fell to the floor laughing. This clown did the impossible. He made Caaserly look like a genius. Remember fans this is the guy who fouled up the 49ers so badly they ran him out of town. No wonder Joe Gibbs walked away

Posted by: patrick | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually ok with it considering Moss and Randle El can't complete a season between the two of them.

But they better get some linemen O or D, and a DB with their remaining picks.

Posted by: Jah | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

lotta crybabies up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

lotta crybabies up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

lotta crybabies up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

lotta crybabies up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

lotta crybabies up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah! Let's post this same article every five minutes on every thread for the rest of 2008!

Scouts, Inc.'s Gary Horton: They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It has been the goal of the organization to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WRs, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game down field. You now open things up for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to matchup against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

Posted by: Come on, Kids! | April 26, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with thomas or even kelly. Davis is a great TE, but don't we have a pro-bowler who we just gave 11 million to this season? I bet Blache is happy with all the D-line help he's gotten today.

Posted by: rich20ssu | April 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

One has to wonder what the hell is going into their thinking? There has to be something more to this. A trade (Kelly & Thomas) to the Bungles for Ocho Cinco perhaps? Totally disregarding the lines is unbelievable.

Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, and Chris Samuels aren't getting any younger...

Posted by: Section441 | April 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait, isnt JC's strength going deep and not the quick short passes? WTF are building on? Oh well, hopefully this disaster will finally get Vinny fired. Thats about the only silver lining I can find.

Posted by: oddjob` | April 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Skins biggest problem over the past few years has been scoring points. The D has been pretty solid.

I'm not sure this was a "best player available" move, I'm more inclined to believe it's a "score some freakin' points" move... with a hint of desperation.

Posted by: Alan | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

ESPN draft panel all agreed that the Skins were having a good draft. Steve Young said he'd come out of retirement to throw to these guys.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope they get Henderson from MD in Round 3, and some D-Line and O-Line depth!!

Posted by: GetDannyOutofHere | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Think about it this way...at least Snyder/Vinny are making a very solid commitment to Zorn by outfitting the personnel to favor the WCO.

Kind of shoots down that 1-year-and-Cowher theory that could have created some havoc for a 1st time coach facing a very tough early schedule.

Got to be something there right? Maybe?

Posted by: Grasping for Straws | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are the IDIOTS! Just because they DID NOT TAKE WHO YOU thought they should or who you wanted...The draft is a failure???? If you guys are so good at knowing this stuff why out of 32 NFL teams you are sitting home on this blog and not selecting or scouting? REST MY CASe!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

These picks scream the inclination that Cerrato doesn't trust his own evaluation and drafting ability. 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round? On top of 3 already proven pass-catchers on the roster? What's his vision with these picks? He clearly didn't trust his Thomas pick and hopes that adding two more pass catchers will even things out, hoping that one will eventually succeed.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Great pickups...oh, except that Kelly runs a 4.7-40. How is going to create separation?

How is Campbell going to get the ball to them when he's on his back? No O-line help, you kidding me? And the guy who said we did pretty well in FA with reserves, you can only bandage a leaky faucet for so long... eventually you need cornerstones.

No Phillips Daniels replacement?

Add yet another screw up to our tally.

Posted by: Mike D | April 26, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone needs to calm down. It's painfully obvious that they just used those three 2nd rounder to put together a package for Chad Johnson."

Is the thought of bringing in Chad Johnson supposed to make me calm?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

??

Posted by: S. Moss | April 26, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Our motto for next year: There's no D in Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

i am officially done with this team.

Posted by: i hate this team | April 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.


Posted by: Big Rich | April 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

We really needed linemen and let me point out that other than K.Lang in 1997 we haven't drafted a DE since Charles Mann in 1984-24 YEARS!

With Santana Moss, and A. Randle-El, I expect that if both are kept on the team-they are going to play this guys right on the bench-How many F***in' receivers do you need?

This is yet another example of all of the coaching changes and Snyder's trying to "help the new guy" by choosing 2 needless receivers that he believes the new coach would like. If it's not Receivers, it's Safeties. We needed a guard or tackle and/or a defensive end to come out of these second rounders-sickening that Quentin Groves is selected with next pick after Malcolm Kelly and wait, didn't this guy throw a future "Chad Owens" it's not my fault" fit about his forty time-GREAT! A DIVA IN TRAINING AND WOW HE'S NOT 'ALL THAT' EITHER-I'M NOT IMPRESSED BY THE WHAT I SEE ON TAPE!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | April 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Ha Ha

You morons defended me after coaching gate.

Now go spend me out of trouble at Six Flags.

Ops I just dropped my soap would you be kind enough to get it for me.


HAAAAAHaaaaahaaaahaaaa

Posted by: Dan | April 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.


Posted by: Big Rich | April 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

i'd rather have the guys we drafted than trade for ocho. he said he is gonna make a movie with clooney instead of playing this year. a much better version of brandon lloyd

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are the IDIOTS! Just because they DID NOT TAKE WHO YOU thought they should or who you wanted...The draft is a failure???? If you guys are so good at knowing this stuff why out of 32 NFL teams you are sitting home on this blog and not selecting or scouting? REST MY CASe!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM

lighten up, boy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

SNYDERATTO BONG!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

??

Posted by: ARE | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

How does one fire an owner? This was inconceivably stupid. Until Li'l Danny sells the team or hires a professional GM, this team is going nowhere. Sad.

Posted by: Dolph T | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.


Posted by: Big Rich | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | April 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I guess everyone has forgotten about having to sign Caldwell & McCardell as FAs and the total lack of production out of Thrash. And having to sign Kozlowski every year because of a lack of dept at TE. This makes sense. They can address needs on both lines in 3rd and 4th rounds.

Posted by: RAS30306 | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Cue Vinny: Let's do RB and QB next.

Posted by: CT | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The crazy thing is, Campbell's worse throw is the intermediate route, a staple of the West Coast. Hope Zorn can couch up some more accuracy.

Posted by: SCSkins | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

All you haters are killing me. The late rounds are where you get depth for the lines. The obviously are getting Campbell the weapons he needs. Looks like Thrash is gone replaced by Mix.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

All you haters are killing me. The late rounds are where you get depth for the lines. The obviously are getting Campbell the weapons he needs. Looks like Thrash is gone replaced by Mix.

Posted by: Rskinz | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

except that Kelly runs a 4.7-40

Care to guess what Anquan Boldin ran for a 40 time?

Posted by: Greg | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Like Vinnmaster, I have turned off the draft and now have my feet up.

Posted by: Mo (Cleveland) | April 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

What's the hoopla all about? We still have 6 more picks to go. And it's not like there are a lot of blue chip linemen left after that first round.

Posted by: Bart | April 26, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone thought of this? With the current WR's that we have just drafted, that this could be the signs of trading Moss, or ARE? Moss has been injured a lot lately, and in the GB game he just quit playing. I am thinking that we are closer to trading he and possibly Betts for a DE?

What is everyones thought on this?


Posted by: pstylee | April 26, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just watche their press conference and they actually seemed to know what they were doing. They entered the draft expecting to simply draft according to their "board", which means simply pick the next highest rated player no matter what. And they did. I don't know that I agree with it, but I DO know that there are many other organizations that do the exact same thing, looking for the best "VALUE" at each pick no matter the position.

Hope it works out

Posted by: cgarrisonsr | April 26, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah WTF

They told be draft day was next week.

I went to all the meetings for nothing.

I will use my veto on the 4th rounder.

Posted by: Zorn | April 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I like these picks either but ask yourselves this question; Were any of the DL/OL picks available better than the young linemen the Skins currently have on their roster? If not, why waste a pick?

Posted by: Prodigal Son | April 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm just going to drink heavily and may sober up for the next draft. The D line is ageing on the ends and the O line just can't stay healthy. Doesn't matter how many big WR's or TE's we have if JC is on his back.

Posted by: crows1886 | April 26, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Danny! You have a 10 yr anniversary coming and nothing to show for it. To bad you didn't run your business this way, if you had we wouldn't have to worry about you being the owner of the Skins.

Posted by: crows1886 | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You people are killing me. You're missing the point that we just got 3 1st round caliber guys in the second round. If they take a bunch of offensive guys tomorrow then start b-and-moaning. But this looks good.

Posted by: JustinBaker | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the end of Thrash and Sellers?

Posted by: Bear | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are the new Matt Millen. I'll take a Wr, a Wr, TE, let me get another Wr, Wr & a Wr.

Posted by: Alex, ill take Wr for $200 | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Bewildering. Individually, any of the three receivers seem like excellent second round picks. You could even justify taking two receivers. But three?

UNLESS a trade was already in place, say the skins took Davis or Kelly for another team while details of a trade were being worked out, it is--well--amateurish.

The skins probably got outmaneuvered with C. Campbell going before their pick and didn't have a backup plan.

Now they got NO CB help... with Rodgers hurt...

NO LB helo with their old and battered guys there...

NO DE help with ancient Daniels..

NO OL help with Jansen and Co aging badly...

And don't tell me the FO Bozos that blew the first day's drafting will fix things on day two.

The GOOD news is the skins should do well in pre-season 7 on 7 passing drills.


Posted by: CORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Despite many of you griping, we all can't wait for training camp. The Wizards are good, the Caps play hard, the Nats are our long awaited MLB team, but the Redskins rip your heart out every year, and then your back the next fall, jumping out of the chair when Campbell throws deep.
I'm excited about 2008.

Posted by: Bob | April 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Anybody defending not drafting a OL or DL needs to take a look at the following:

RT-Jansen, AGE: 32
RG-Thomas, AGE: 32
C-Rabach, AGE: 30
LG-Kendall AGE: 34
LT-Samuels AGE: 30

Backups: Kevin Sampson, Heyer, DeMulling, Wade and Ross Tucker.

The Redskins DL only had 1 sack more than Andre Carter did by himself. Carter had 10.5 sacks and the rest of the DL had 11.5 sacks. Other than Carter, the Redskins DL is a pass rushing disaster.

Posted by: Chris | April 26, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins actually filled a very key need...they need to start scoring points!

The D has carried this team for the past few years, so if they put together an offense that can actually control the clock a little more that will net them a few extra games (remember all the blown halftime leads, courtesy of an ineffective offense getting shut out in the 2nd halves?).

I do think JC may have to take more responsibility for making his own plays this year, because the O-line is a big question mark. He'll need to be quicker (like we saw with the Toddster).

Posted by: Alan | April 26, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

This would be a GREAT spot for us to package our 3rd (84) and maybe one of spare linemen that must be stashed on the practice squad for another #2
...Maningham is still on the board! Hope the FO is working the phones hard right now!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Todd-please tell me, show me how the Redskins NEEDED A RECEIVER!?!?!?

DID YOU NOT SEE THE LAST FEW GAMES-HOW IS CAMPBELL GOING TO THROW FLAT ON HIS A**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?
HOW? Rabach was exposed right along with the rest of the interior line

What is this NEEDED A RECEIVER B.S.!!!!!!!!
More than a guard? a stud defensive end-Again, we have drated 3 DE in 25 years (Lang, Mann, Manley) the last of which happened 11 years ago!!!!!!!

And we need, we just need, we just have to have 2 F***** RECEIVERS?!?!?

to those who beleive we NEED receivers-that somehow the problem to what ailed the Redskins were the Receivers Moss, and Randle-El and not the sorry-ass O-line...

Please kill yourselves...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey BigRich -

Did we not break the bank for a TE already? Do we not have a pair of $10 million receivers already under contract? Are we really going to run a 6 receiver set? Do we have a starter on our O-line that is under 30 years of age? Did our young prospect at CB not shatter his knee last year? Do we have anyone besides Carter who can generate a sack by themselves on our D-line?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

How does one fire an owner? Until Li'l Danny sells we will be watching a comedy routine every draft day. The Skins needed DL and OL and DB help in a big way and Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinnie draft WR TE WR? This is beyond stupid; it's sad.

Posted by: Dolph T | April 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

ross tucker isnt even on the team. quit the cut and paste nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm ok with 2 pass catchers, but 3? If the o-line can protect this year, the O will be alot of fun to watch. The skins lost in the playoffs because they lost the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They've got to improve there.
Also, the skins are woefully thin at cb with stone hands out til mid season or so.

Posted by: puttinforbird | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I think they don't want to reach for guys they have targeted for specific points in the draft. They probably have some linemen targeted for the other rounds.

Posted by: Quit Freaking Out | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...I bet Santana Moss won't drop any balls this year!

We have some real weapons now!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...

Ballmer was there @ 21. I guess there's no need for help on the line?

Posted by: Section441 | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...

Ballmer was there @ 21. I guess there's no need for help on the line?

Posted by: Section441 | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

i didn't think we had bad receivers last year considering all the injuries, but this is just a mess, they did the right thing by trading down and they still managed to blow it...typical

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

i didn't think we had bad receivers last year considering all the injuries, but this is just a mess, they did the right thing by trading down and they still managed to blow it...typical

Posted by: will | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone thought of this? With the current WR's that we have just drafted, that this could be the signs of trading Moss, or ARE? Moss has been injured a lot lately, and in the GB game he just quit playing. I am thinking that we are closer to trading he and possibly Betts for a DE?

What is everyones thought on this?


Posted by: pstylee | April 26, 2008 8:27 PM

That is simply ridiculous!!! Dan loves Santana - even went to his wedding - and likes Randle El.....

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I love Thomas and Kelly, got both at a very reasonable price. But Fred Davis? Is there a possibility of trading him?

Also heard rumors rumbling about us trading ARE which after June 1st may be possible.

Posted by: Chris | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

we better keep betts, he's better than portis

Posted by: will | April 26, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The picks definitely sound pretty good,
with the exception of TE Fred Davis,
not sure how this figures in the equation.
Looks like the youngsters, Chris Wilson,
Lorenzo Alexander & Alex Buzbee are
up & coming. Keep the faith. You have
nowhere else to go!

Posted by: george costanza | April 26, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

when are we gonna start drafting running backs? I heard some good ones have slipped. oh brother...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Also heard rumors rumbling about us trading ARE which after June 1st may be possible.

Posted by: Chris | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM

What trade value would ARE have at this point in his career???

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

ARE is not worth much since he's a #2/3. Moss is very good and might get you something but are you sure you want to give up your best proven receiver?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I realize the Dan loves the 1999 Rams.

A couple problems:
1. The Skins don't play in a dome.
2. Campbell didn't cut his teeth in the arena league.

Maybe if the NFL becomes a true passing league where there are only 5 players on each side of the line of scrimmage . . . then maybe.

Until then the top need that the Skins have will remain a GM. I have no problem with trading a first rounder for a couple second rounders and a third rounder -- the actual picks though priority though seems better suited to a team playing in a dome and field turf 8 games out of the year, rather than one competing in the NFC East.

Posted by: JP2 | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the same way i would feel if my girlfriend cheated on me or my best friend betrayed me

Posted by: PISSED OFF | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

here come the betts is better than portis morons

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I totally understand all of the moves today. All the quality OL were gone in the 1st round. The DEs we late 2nd round/3rd rounders. All the quality CBs were gone in the 1st round. It was a value issue today people. Too much value was left on the board when we picked today and thats why we pulled the trigger the way we did. Calais Campbell is skinny and slow. Today was a good day and now our west coast offense is set.

Posted by: Onnie | April 26, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

THe redskins are dumb azz!!!! again... they had a chance to get DE Campbell and F'-ed it up!!!!!!!!!!! F the skins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SCOOP | April 26, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

anyone who defends these picks knows NOTHING about football. you win games up front, not at skill positions. snyder and cerrato need to go elope in europe and never come back. they are ruining this franchise. F them.

Posted by: grek | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"I think the Skins actually filled a very key need...they need to start scoring points!"

There's a difference between filling a need and unnecessarily loading up on depth in round 2 of the draft. So we now have 4 WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs that all have starting-caliber pedigree (maybe not right away, but 2nd rounders SHOULD eventually be there for you). And that's not including the projects like Mix and newly signed Jerome Mathis. I have no idea how the ball is supposed to be spread to all these guys. We better hope Jansen, Thomas, and the 30 year-old club can stay healthy to allow JC to even give these guys a shot.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

One of the centers that JLC claimed we liked was just taken by the Colts (Pollak).

Posted by: Todd | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

For what its worth from SI.com. Really don't mind taking the best available for a change (picking Rodgers for need over Merriman a few years back was no fun)...just hope they find some big ugly gems tomorrow.

"The Redskins continue their terrific draft by picking up another prospect that carried a first round grade for most of the season. Malcolm Kelly adds size, playmaking and toughness to the Redskins, and gives Jim Zorn all the ingredients to implement more four-receiver sets next season. Much has been made of Kelly's speed deficiencies, but he is an ideal slot receiver in the Redskins' zebra and eagle packages."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Idiots, The bloggers are, We got 3 first round players in the 2nd round. We have a good defense. We can sill get the lines taken care of. We have 6 more picks. Regardless of the picks you would of still found are reason to whine. Redskin fans are the worst. Never happy. We can win the Super bowl and you find something to cry about. B@#$%es

Posted by: tommy | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Fred Davis reminds me of Algae Crumpler and he was a great catch at 48.

Posted by: Onnie | April 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

How about seeing the forest for the trees, folks? Can you say "youth movement"? Say goodbye to Thrash and Santana in two years.
I actually think it's a great draft. Sure, I'd like a lineman or two. But we got Dock in R3. You never know.

I'd like a safety or CB in R4

Posted by: 30daysofknight | April 26, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

My priority for the Redskins is to draft bust.

Posted by: Vinny | April 26, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

1) Well, at least we didn't get stuck with Cialis. He can be yet another DL washout for the Cardinals.
2) All these new wide receivers look like the perfect situation for the uncapped year in 2010. The new guys will be ready to take over and Moss and Randle El can hit the road.
3) Bye James Thrash and Keenan McCardell. Thanks for your years of dedication.
4) Maybe the Sunday Draft plan is for QB, defense and O-Line only.

Posted by: tafka | April 26, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I bet we keep Moss ARE Thomas Kelly Thrash and Mix. cooley yoder and davis. THat is a lot of weapons for jason. i like the picks even though i was surprised at first. the rest of the draft will be d and o line corners ect. we have a great oline now can address that in next years draft. we had great dline selections in the late rounds last year so dont worry about that all you haters have a little trust in your team and save the criticism for when you have a reason to criticize like on the field play. what if santana goes out with an injury for the year? this draft wont look as crazy right? chill out and stop hating go skins

Posted by: Ty | April 26, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Onnie hit the nail right on the head. This was about drafting the best talent with the picks that they had.

They are building for not just next year, but the future. Regardless of what position they pick, the odds are that those picks won't make much of an impact the first year. So go out and get the best talent available.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 26, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a GREAT draft!!!! Before you've had ARE, Moss, and Cooley. Pretty easy to stop. Now you've added 3 young, very good weapons!!! Yes they need line depth but they need weapons more!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

You have got to be freaking kidding me.

WR, TE, WR.

I repeat: WR, TE, WR.

Great. That is absolutely great. Thanks for restoring my faith, front office. Why did I ever doubt you?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Go Lions! I mean Redskins. Got confused for a second.

Posted by: ugh | April 26, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of ya'll are probably die hard fans...but not football knowleageable at all!!! Now we did mess up not picking Campbell or Groves at 48...but if either Kelly or Thomas pan out this year...imagine Moss and El in the slot...or even Cooley and El in the slot! Yeah, chew on that! And there are plenty of DE's just as good as those two left in the 3rd round...and why in h-e-double hockey sticks would we draft a Rb??? Idiots!

Posted by: tone | April 26, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Leevi98- ...pretty galling-asking why all the fuss over the O-line- didn't you watch the draft today-didn't you see the rest of the NFL make drafting O and D linemen the PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!

I've commented on some of your posts before, but I'm going to stop-You obviously watch, but don't KNOW football.

To all the super-optimists who believe Bugel can make wine out of water with undrafted free-agents, blah, blah, blah-Again I implore you to pay close attention to how teams drafted today...didn't a bunch of O-linemen get taken???
...in the 1st round...and the second...

Only "Dan Cerrato" and some of the know-nothings posting today would believe that it's a waste of time, energy and pick to select linemen early.

But wait, weren't C.Samuels and J. Jansen, 1st and 2nd rounders, respectively?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | April 26, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Looks like SOMEBODY got the memo about draft a receiver ... or maybe several people got that memo.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the same way i would feel if my girlfriend cheated on me or my best friend betrayed me

Posted by: PISSED OFF | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM

Actually, this draft feels worse than finding your wife cheating with your best friend.

Posted by: Dr. Phil | April 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

what if santana goes out with an injury for the year? this draft wont look as crazy right? chill out and stop hating go skins

Posted by: Ty | April 26, 2008 8:45 PM

Same thing can be said for o-line, d-line, LB, S, CB, etc. WR is probably the last position that you need to worry about depth issues, maybe other than RB. Teams continually show well with less-than-stellar players at those positions. That's generally not able to be said about the o-line and d-line. But I guess it's a good thing we're overloaded at those positions.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Surpise pick by the Cowpukes.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

This Kelly pick has me fuming.

We could have taken the best available D lineman. Or O lineman. Or corner. Or safety. Hell, we could have taken the best freakin' available punter. Positions of NEED.

Good grief.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The only thing worse than this would be if I wake up tomorrow to learn that we packaged our draft picks to get Ocho Stinko

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

You tell em Leevi98!
Alright, you can take me out of your mouth now.

Posted by: Snyders Nuts | April 26, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: redbee | April 26, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

WR, TE, WR.

I repeat: WR, TE, WR.

-Nate in the PDX

At Johnny Rocket's, we do it all for you, Nate.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

all the best OL picks were gone before we drafted. the only way i am pissed about this draft is if merling turns out to be a sober jared allen.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Snyder: Stop Meddling. Please hire a real GM. Or else please SELL the team.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

hey, we can still pick early doucet

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Vinnie and Zorn are saying they would have taken Thomas at 21 if Atlanta didn't offer to trade.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

People stop panicing...The team has six picks left. They may not have picked Defensive help in the first 3 picks but who is to say they won't tomorrow.

Dude..you guys are to uptight about this sh*t. It is just football damn chill the hell out!

Posted by: Skip in VA | April 26, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I understand taking the 2 receivers (Kelly, Thomas) But the TE Davis was terrible. We should have used that pick on Groves the DE from Auburn or Campbell the DE from Miami. Another screwed up draft.

Posted by: chris | April 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

hey Skip, why are you on this blog if you don't care?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

first off to call a WR a skill position is ludacris. Obviously you have never played Football and are one of those Madden heads who score a lot of points and think you know everything about Football.

My rational to trading Moss is this...trade a guy who is still worth something, and a big salary cap hit, for a younger DE or OLmen, someone that would not be such a big hit on the cap, and you can develop in situational defenses.

Has everyone forgotten about the way that Wilson and Evans played at the end of the season. Plus next years DL is much deeper in the draft than this one.

Overall I am just waiting for the season to start and see how it all pans out. I do like the addition of Thomas and Davis, but Kelly? Im not too sure of. But that is why we are all fans and not in the FO.

If you think you can do a better job than hey buy the team and implement your ways.


Posted by: pstylee | April 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Big Rich-YOU learn some football-where is the proof of your statement?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

So... we're reduced to hoping for late-round or UFA gems like Monty, Goldstone, Lorenzo and Heyer to serve as our O line and D line depth? Fantastic. That's a great plan for the future!

Hey, Vinnie! I do not approve of your work so far today!

Ugh. Beer me.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

3rd Round Pick:

Josh Johnson QB U. San Diego

Posted by: nyc | April 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is situational football and about matchups. While it might have been nice to snag a stud lineman - either D or O - I can live with the draft so far. Consider the difficulty that the Skins have had in red zone sets the last couple of years with no size at WR and only one receiving threat at TE. Now, give me a two tight end set with two wides in the red zone with Cooley, Davis, Thomas and Kelly - the shortest at 6'1" and lightest at 215 and I think the Skins can start to dictate to defenses as opposed to the way it has been over the past couple of years. Especially with CP, Betts and Sellers coming out of the backfield to provide a running threat and balance. Also, the defense has been worn down at the end of games because of the inability of the offense to consistently control the ball and the clock when it needed to. It just might be that a more prolific offense keeps the defense fresher and more stout at the end of games. Thumb and one-half up for the draft so far.

Posted by: JT in ABQ | April 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

vinny is an idiot. we don't need 2 wr's and a tE. cooley is already there. we need defensive help!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Bumbling Idiots

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Scared the G'ints into reaching for a CB...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Danny's checking Madden 2009 beta right now to see how this is gonna work out for him

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how the fans reacted to the picks at the draft party?

Are they burning photos of Vinny yet?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey anonomous Ahole,

I do care it have like some of the positive entries I have read. Its that some of you guys are just plain pathetic in your post. Get a life and stop whinnig about this sh*t.

Posted by: Skip in VA | April 26, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

fedex is ablaze

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

And Mike Pollak goes to the Colts near the end of the 2nd. Unbeleivable. Why pick the best center in the draft and an immediate backup to an aging offensive line when you can draft a #4 receiver.

Well done.

Posted by: Overkilled | April 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Malcom Kelly coming up on espnews

Posted by: puttinforbird | April 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I do not get the Davis pick at all.

Not at all.

A possession receiving tight end? Nice to have but it's about 87th on the list of things needed.

Make that 187th.

Danny likes his toys. And his toy now is a throw it around the field, Wow-lookit-that!!-passing game.

Blocking and tackling? Who needs it.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

People, calm down!

They are stockpiling talent for the future. This is what successful teams do. The odds of them picking a DE or OL or CB or Safety guy that makes a difference next year are very slim.

Don't be so 'instant gratification'.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Jamaal mother-freaking Charles at #84 tomorrow!

C'mon...whose with me???

Posted by: Vinny C on a cell phone... | April 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's just hope we can outscore our opponents by 100 points now. IF the skins don't draft another WR or TE the rest of this draft, then I'll feel better, but who knows. At least the initial terror of seeing a TE and 2nd WR announced has worn off slightly. I do like the idea of having three ew weapons that are 6'2"+

Posted by: beggarsandthieves | April 26, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Relax, Skip. This is the perfect time to vent, in that happy interval when the news is incomplete (lots of picks left to come).

Sure, we'll know more about these dudes (and the offense as a whole) after minicamp and training camp, and we'll know a LOT more three years down the line. But RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, all we have is the fact of those three picks.

F those three picks.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Danny now has the best fantasy team on his block. So there.

Posted by: B. Lloyd | April 26, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Skins only need backups this year. They still have six second day picks and they plan to sign 12 undrafted FAs. Hopefully that is enough players to fill their primary remaining needs at S, OL, DL, and QB. And if not, then there are always future FA and trade possibilities...

Posted by: Siris | April 26, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Davis, Kelly Wrap Up Redskins' First Day
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
April 26, 2008

The Redskins selected USC tight end Fred Davis with the second of their three second-round draft picks on Saturday.
Davis, 6-3 and 247 pounds, was a solid pass-catcher for the Trojans.

In four seasons, he started 28 contests and caught 117 passes for 1,408 yards and 13 touchdowns.

He had his most productive season as a senior, catching 62 passes for 881 yards and eight TDs.

For his efforts, he was USC's first All-American first-team tight end since 1974. He also won the Mackey Award as the college's top tight end.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 26, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You don't build for the future by reaching for players. This is a good draft, as long as they keep on picking the BPA they'll have more options in the future.

Posted by: ap | April 26, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The only player I would love drafted on day 2, that doesn't play defense or O-line is Owen Schmitt from West Virginia. We do have a need for a true fullback and this guy is absolute insanity.

Posted by: beggarsandthieves | April 26, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think this is a bad thing. I am not as confident as many of you seem to be that either C. Campbell or Groves would have been able to "make a difference" this year. There aren't any other linemen worth a second round pick. Once Miami took Merling, our draft was ruined as far as being able to fill spedific needs. The trade was a good trade, a risky trade, but a good one. Ultimately, we need better luck with who falls to us and then do ANOTHER good job with UFAs and all will be fine.

I will stay positive even though my first reaction was exactly what most have posted here.

It is still a good day

Posted by: cgarrisonsr | April 26, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

many of us just cannot understand why so many people continue to support such a poor product but every offseason we hold out hope that Snyder will step back and things will get better. I gave up my season tix a few years ago and am ecstatic that tivo exists so I don't waste my Fall Sundays and hard earned $ any more. boycott this lunacy so they hear the message.

Posted by: saddened | April 26, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way, at least the Caps start up in October. Skins should be done by then.

Posted by: Bobo | April 26, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

outstanding picks It opens up the playing field for the running game we might not stop anybody but we sure outscore them

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Um....Uh...
So they went WR, TE, WR.
Well then.
My moniker is quite safe.

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see them try to justify this debacle

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

F-U Cooley... and the rest of you recievers who help Moss out last year...F-U too. WR,TE,WR... Just start JC in a suit of armor because he won't make it 3 weeks next year.

What happened to all the talk "...were going to do what's best for the Redskins" NOT were just going to take the next highest rated player. F- the Redskins too.

Posted by: Beavs | April 26, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

These picks kick ass! Thomas and Kelly are 1st round receivers that are tall and big.

Midgets Moss and Randle el are yesterday's news. Moss can't stay healthy and RE is so-so.

Davis can team with Cooley as a dual TE threat in certain formations. We can pick up depth at OL and DL in the 3rd through 7th.

I think LPD and Vinny finally have done a good job.

Posted by: Kunte Kinte | April 26, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Malcom says he's happy to be a Redskin....we'll see.

Posted by: tsvqt | April 26, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get carried away here.. there more I think about it, the more I like the picks.. b/c

do you remember we went almost 1/2 the season without a WR catching a TD?

last year..

Moss had 3 TD's
ARE had 1 TD
B Loyd 0 TD
Reche Caldwell 0 TD
J Thrash 2 TD
K McCardell 1 TD

pretty pathetic
the lines weren't our problem last year - the receiving core was.

not to mention we didn't have a reliable back up for cooley

Posted by: vincentvega | April 26, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

This is my first day commenting here....

What a bunch of crybabies! (people who post intelligent comments excluded, of course)

Posted by: jabedoben | April 26, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

WHY IS EVERYONE WHINING?!?! I DONT GET IT! WE ADDED 3 PLAYMAYKERS TO A TEAM THAT STRUGGLED TO SCORE 20 PTS A GAME. WE WILL BE VERY HARD TO MATCH UP AGAINST. 6 PICKS TOMORROW, 5 WILL BE ON DEFENSE. U GUYS SHOULD RESERVE JUDGEMENT TILL TOMORROW.

-DAYTRADER

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

we didn't draft cialiscampbell cause he doesn't get up for games. quit crying. will be nice if this pans out and we have an offense that can put games away with 30-40 points on the board every week

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

not impressed with the three choices, we missed many more pressing needs to take flyers on some suspect kids. just goes to show there is really nobody with football smarts running this organization. snyder is CEI (chief executive idiot), cerrato is just stealing paychecks and zorn is in so far out of his league as a head coach. terrible leadership and average talent will equal a 5-11 year with 0-6 in the east. we suck

Posted by: midwestskin | April 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Lots o complaining about picking a TE. I like Yoder but we're a bit thin there. Dallas just traded one-half of their double-TE threat to Miami. They might have been looking to pick up a BAMF like Davis to set up a Witten/Davis attack. Instead, it's Cooley/Davis. Not too shabby.

But some support on both lines would be nice tomorrow.

Posted by: You don't wanna know | April 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually I like these picks. Oh course I would have loved to see them address some of their more pressing needs like DL and depth on the OL, at S or LB. But honestly, I think they got the best players avaiable on their draft board. Plus Merling was picked a couple of picks before our first pick in the second round and Campbell was selected one pick before Kelly (I sure they would have got Campbell if he was not snatched up the pick before).

Historically the Redskins have done a decent job of selecting players in the first two rounds. Champ and Jon Jansen in 1999, LaVar and Chris Samuels in 2000, Fred Smoot in 2001, Ladell Betts in 2002, Derrick Dockery in 2003 (third round), Sean Taylor and Cooley (third round) in 2004 and J Campbell and Carlos in 2005 (even through the jury still out on these two), then McIntosh in 2006 and Landry in 2007. So hopefully at least one or two of these new players pan out.

As much as I love my man Santana, he has had a history of injuries, and he is really a second WR. ARE is a great slot especially for the West Coast. And Cooley can be moved around. Thomas and/or Kelly gives us a legitimate possession reciever and Davis gives us a second option at TE.

Honestly I personally didn't like Merling, Calis Cambpell at 21 in the 1st round, and we selected both Thomas and Kelly in the second round, so taking them at 21 wouldn't make sense (although many would say neither would taking both).

I think it is also important to note that we have 6 more picks one in the third and one in the fourth (we picked up Dockery who was solid in in the third and Cooley in the third, who is a Pro-Bowler). So we can address DL and DB in the third and fourth rounds.

Also you have to be carefully in judging draft class prematurely. Two years from now we could be saying that this was a total wasteful draft, or we could be saying that this was one of the best draft classes the Redskins have had in recent years. You never really know! At least they didn't trade them all.

Posted by: Jon2121114 | April 26, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with what the experts say, versus those people bashing the picks on this blog.

Posted by: Greg | April 26, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Mix.
That's 5 WR's. It's good. 5 is the way to go in the WCO.

Posted by: tsvqt | April 26, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I really like how Kelly pronounces balls in his country accent. "I'm gonna be catchin' a lot of bowels next year."

Posted by: Curt | April 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I think its time JLC gets fired.
First its great, now its overkill.
Can the Skins do anything right for you?

I felt we should have traded UP to get Gohlston or Dorsey.
Since we didnt, I am happy with this draft. Very happy.
None of the other DL players were rated as high as the two WRs we just got

We got two, yes TWO..FIRST ROUND WR's for 2nd round money.

We have 5 picks left.
OL and DL can be had there.

I also hate Dan and Vinny, but please.
This is a score in the 2nd round..

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Mix.
That's 5 WR's. It's good. 5 is the way to go in the WCO.

Posted by: tsvqt | April 26, 2008 9:10 PM

And where do Fred Davis and Chris Cooley go. Not to mention Clinton Portis or Ladell Betts. How in G0SH's name do we get all these players the ball. Somebody is going to go to waste here...

Posted by: psps | April 26, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me???? The GIANTS proves that DEFENSE wins championships, way to go 'Skins, looking forward to another dismal year

Posted by: KoolBreeze52 | April 26, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is on ESPN right now talking about how he envisions Fred Davis lining up opposite cooley on offense. He also likes the idea of having a 6'4" receiver like Kelly in the red zone.

I was about to jump, but it kind of makes sense. Don't kill me for saying it. I WANT TO LIVE!!!

Posted by: beggarsandthieves | April 26, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

People on this blog keep suggesting that the skins are going to trade thomas and kelly to the bengals for Chad Johnson. Really? Then why would they have drafted Jerome Simpson (WR) in the second round too? Oh, the Bengals want 3 second round wide receivers. They must be even less confident in their ability to identify talent than Snerrato.

And the argument that they are picking the best player available is bunk. The difference in grade b/w pick 48 and 51 is marginal at best. And I'm sure there was a defensive player available who had a very similar grade to either fred davis or malcom kelly.

Finally, i'm not really sure how useful a TE is in the west coast offense. I couldn't tell you who the TE was on Seattle over the last 6 years. Name one good TE on a team that runs the west coast offense.

Posted by: M.E.G. | April 26, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I said WTF, too - but some thoughts:

First of all - no one but the hamsters here were saying O-line and D-Line were the key needs in the first three rounds. Does anyone remember how the D-Line played against Minnesota and Dallas at the EOY? There was some growth there. And what great players were out there on defense, when we picked that would have made us better?

Two - O-Line - Yes, we need young depth, but our problem this year was not talent, but injuries. We can get that in later rounds.

Three - the passing game, as a whole - other than a few moments, is there anyone out there who saw a great deal of consistency in our passing game, other that what the Todd made happen? For the past two or three years, has anyone said, "Yeah, we're in the two minute drill, we're going to score now with our great passing game?"

Four - We got three GREAT receviers in the draft - We can still fill O-Line, D-Line and LB needs later in the draft.

Fifth - Do you really, really think that Blache would sit there and let them draft three receivers if he really wanted someone on the board? Not from what I've heard about the man. Same thing with Bugel - Neither one of them have any reason to sit there and be quiet while Vinny, Dan or Jim Zorn make picks that they don't agree with.

Calm down, everyone, calm down.

Posted by: John D in Houston | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, they definitely needed bigger receivers to run this offense. Plus, we just can't trust that Moss and ARE can go through a full season anymore at wideout.

This frees up ARE to be at his best which is running back kicks and being a 3rd/4th receiver.

So, picking up two wideouts makes sense. If there is a critical position, WR was it.

Davis? He seems to be a position that could be partially addressed later.

I'd give them a B.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

You tell em Leevi98!
Alright, you can take me out of your mouth now.

Posted by: Snyders Nuts | April 26, 2008 8:50 PM

I will tell ya this....AT least I HAVE THE BALLS TO STATE MY OPINION WITH MY NAME ATTACHED TO IT.

And Yes I do not think the draft is as bad as most of these whining little magots do in here. They cry and complain about every move that is made.

To those who stated the upfront d and o line comments...Yes games are won up front...but I personally think, even though they are getting up in age, we have a pretty good o line. and the D has some youngsters who have been playing well....If i remember correctly we had injuries to the online last season and the back ups played fairly well and the line adding a man in trade late...it took them awhile to gel...I dont AGREE with most of your opinions that the o line and d line not being drafted makes or breaks our 2008/09 season...We needed some bigger wrs and we gotem...we needed some pass catching depth behind coooley...and adding to that...seems most here do not understand the wco or you would understand why they needed another pass catching TE to go with cooley...ESPECIALLY WHEN COOLEY IS SPLIT OUT!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Where do Davis and Cooley go?

It's called a two TE set.
The WCO uses it a lot.
Do you actually watch football?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

48. Washington Redskins
The pick: Fred Davis, TE, USC
What he brings: There were concerns about Davis' ability to stretch the field before the combine, and his slow 40 time backed up what we saw on film. He isn't an overwhelming in-line blocker, either, but does a good job getting in position and fights to sustain his blocks. In addition, he has the athletic ability, big hands and long arms to emerge as a reliable possession receiver.
How he fits: Based on the offensive scheme Jim Zorn will run, the two-tight end packages will be key. Davis will allow the Redskins to move TE Chris Cooley all over and create mismatches on offense. There were no other quality tight ends on the roster and Davis fills this need for Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

This draft has been pretty good so far. Some of you guys have a short memory -- the Skins had no offense last year when Moss and Randel_El were both hurt. And how many TDs did the two WRs score? 4!!!! WR was definitely a position of need. Mix and Thrash have plenty of serious competition this year.

I also like the Davis signing. The Skins have needed a third TE for a long time -- no more Kos this year ;->

Posted by: Siris | April 26, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

WTF, is everyone crying about. The team finally was a real player in the draft. The first two picks were very smart. The tightend was the highest rated for his position. They wanted to give Campbell and Coach Zorn all the ammuniation for the west coast offense. Skins still have picks in the 3rd,4th and later rounds. Come Sunday they will address their D-line/O-line depth. I like the aggressive approach they have taken so far. Espn applauded each and every pick that the Redskin selected. So why all the whinning, girlies?

Posted by: Redskin4Life | April 26, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I said WTF, too - but some thoughts:

First of all - no one but the hamsters here were saying O-line and D-Line were the key needs in the first three rounds. Does anyone remember how the D-Line played against Minnesota and Dallas at the EOY? There was some growth there. And what great players were out there on defense, when we picked that would have made us better?

Two - O-Line - Yes, we need young depth, but our problem this year was not talent, but injuries. We can get that in later rounds.

Three - the passing game, as a whole - other than a few moments, is there anyone out there who saw a great deal of consistency in our passing game, other that what the Todd made happen? For the past two or three years, has anyone said, "Yeah, we're in the two minute drill, we're going to score now with our great passing game?"

Four - We got three GREAT receviers in the draft - We can still fill O-Line, D-Line and LB needs later in the draft.

Fifth - Do you really, really think that Blache would sit there and let them draft three receivers if he really wanted someone on the board? Not from what I've heard about the man. Same thing with Bugel - Neither one of them have any reason to sit there and be quiet while Vinny, Dan or Jim Zorn make picks that they don't agree with.

Calm down, everyone, calm down.

Posted by: John D in Houston | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

NICE POST!!!!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

KoolBreeze, WHAT!!!?!

Are you kidding me???? The GIANTS proves that DEFENSE wins championships, way to go 'Skins, looking forward to another dismal year

Posted by: KoolBreeze52 | April 26, 2008 9:13 PM

Dude, Justin Tuck and those 2 DE don't grow on Trees, come ON! you fail to give Coughlin any credit for that win either?!? They game planned and it payed off. Remember we wanted Sparano to be coach???

And BTW - it was Manning and David Tyree that won that superbowl.

-Daytrader

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Somehow when the Chiefs moved up to take Albert, I just knew the draft was going downhill for us. If you want to have Davis and Cooley, what happens to Yoder? Are we going to trade him or what? One WR is ok, but taking both is inexcusable. Thomas I can live with; Kelly can kiss my rear end. He is slow and has a horrible attitude. I just hope some of the other players knock him into shape or else he will turn out to be the worst pick in this draft. Quite frankly, Groves would have been a much better pick for so many reasons than Kelly. His attitude alone, and therefore potential outweigh Kelly's by a landslide.

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

For all of you complaining that we didn't grab an O or D lineman consider this:

Pretty much no lineman outside of the top 10-15, on either side of the ball would start for the Skins next year. The Skins have the luxury of picking depth guys later in the draft who have time to develop. If these moves pan out, the Skins will have a potent offense. If they don't...we'll you could say that about any pick in the history of the draft.

Posted by: ben | April 26, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

there must be some trade thinking going on here. just doesn't make sense as is

Posted by: jim | April 26, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I dont AGREE with most of your opinions that the o line and d line not being drafted makes or breaks our 2008/09 season...We needed some bigger wrs and we gotem

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

If you think that either of these WRs is going to make-or-break this next season, you're being EXTREMELY wishful. 1st year wide receivers hardly ever make a significant impact, or any impact at all. Then it comes down to what's more important for the future. Would it be finding replacements for an o-line where every starter is over 30? Would it be finding an impact pass rusher? Or even finding eventual replacements for Daniels and Griff?... Or is it finding eventual replacements at WR and a eventual #2 TE? In my opinion, this draft represents how backwards Snyder and Cerrato view the way to build a football team.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

For all the GMs out there. There is something called a draft board, where players are ranked.

You don't just grab a player because he fits a position of need. You try your best to pick the highest player on your board, only making a modest sacrafice for postion.

We do not know where the Redskins rated these players.

By the way, I think we were all over Merling if the Tuna did not grab him and yes we just might have been all over Calias if the Cards had not grabbed him.

We took a risk thinking that Calias would fall but we got burned on it.

The draft is not over. We have room for only 2 new OL on the roster. We cant move Jansen and Thomas bacause of salary at this point.

If we grab a Guard and keep Alexander and bring Hyer along we have 3 young guys.

Stop having a heart attack over a back up center. We can get that in the 5th round.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 26, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Here were some TE's in the WCO

Shannon Sharp, TE receptions leader

The TE is integral to the west coast offense..

Also there is a website called Football 101. You might want to read it

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh and another thing, everyone keeps on talking about how Dan Synder is idiot. I think that's a little unfair. He might be extremely impatient which is a problem. But to be fair, we as fans always applauded him we he spends money on big players and when they don't pan out, everyone wants to say how he is trying to buy a team.

Now, I am the first to say that he has been apart of a lot of questionable decisions, however at least he is willing to spend the money. Imagine if he was tight-wad like Angelos or other owners(I know baseball is a little different in the fact that there's no salary-cap). I am personally happy that our owner is at least willing to extend his wallet.

Dan is still relatively young as an owner, and I think he is starting to learn a little, maybe?

Posted by: Jon212114 | April 26, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Duuuuuuuhhhhhh!! It's about ROTATING formations!! You're NOT gonna play all 5WR at the same time. DUHHH!! We can put speed on the field with some, we can go tall at times (Red Zone)....we have a lot of options with 5 really good WR's. We had times this season when we could have used Moss, Randle El, Thomas and Kelly all in the route together. That would have been awesome, and will be at times. Other times it may be Moss, Cooley, Davis, Portis and Sellers. We will be very versatile this year. I like it!

Posted by: tsvqt | April 26, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

like the 1st pick.

hate the 2nd and 3rd picks. should have gone for defense. de, cb, dt.

maybe we will do as well as last year in the draft. i think 2 out of 5 made the team? and that's on a team with no depth.

so this year we just have more picks to throw away. time for some new scouts....or decision makers

Posted by: tsd | April 26, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I just purchased my Redskins Super Bowl tickets!! Pasadena, here we come!!

Posted by: FireSnyderandVinny | April 26, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The Thomas and Kelly Picks are steals in my opinion. Lets face it, ARE is on his way out, that leaves us with 3 quality receivers. All great offenses have three solid recievers and a stud TE (see the colts two years ago with harrison, wayne, stokely and clark or the Pats this year with Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Watson.

Now the USC TE selection makes no sense to me. Other than I like what we are doing. We still have an chance to grab some help on the lines. Chill out people.

Posted by: Josh | April 26, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

One more point, the Redskins are not a rebuilding franchise...they were in the post season. If Jason Campbell develops into an A+ stud QB, the Skins will be an elite team. That is the name of the game in the NFL. Teams with a QB can overcome weaknesses at any other position. Those who don't will struggle.

The rationale is, give Campbell the weapons he needs. The Skins hitched their wagon to him whe they drafted him. If he pans out the Skins will be gold.

Posted by: ben | April 26, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

It's called a two TE set.
The WCO uses it a lot.
Do you actually watch football?

Posted by: | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

Anon Moron, you can't have a 2 TE and a 4WR set on the field at the same time. You see where this is going?

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

You all just love bashing vinny and snyder for no reason...

A new coach w/ a new offensive system that needs differnt talent and players than are currently on the roster.

Must be a massive conspiracy by Vinny not just the new coach getting the guys he needs to run his system.

Posted by: Sec 126 | April 26, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn = West Coast Offense, but where's the defense help to put the offense on the field??

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | April 26, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I like the picks......good hands, big targets, spread the field...open the running game.

Very interesting.....

I do wish that Campbell had not been taken by Arizona, and the Merling had gotten past Miami...

But thats the draft.....

you take the best player avaialble or fits your system.

I think the run on OL was unexpected for everyone.....so Skins went with what fit best.

Still alot of talent on the board......

LET THE YOUTH MOVEMENT CONTINUE!!!

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | April 26, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, psps23, I do.
I see you know nothing about football.

Since when do teams play every reciever they have on every down, ever???

I dont know if you've noticed this, but teams, you know..actually change formations and stuff.

And, you can call me D

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Kelly's highlights on youtube are amazazing!

Seriously.......check it out. Thomas's too.

Posted by: Jah | April 26, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's insistent, insane, insatiable, desire for receivers and offense is something he should have his head examined for.

There's one football, Dano. One!


The lines are a pathetic mess of aged, subpar, journeymen, patched together, in the offensive side by a brilliant coach (Bugel).

But, as nice as the Stephon kid is, he's not a NFL tackle, or at least shouldn't be.
As graet as Jon has been - he's seem his time. Fabini and Thomas are at the end of their careers. There is no real youthful talent.

Blache to, has made the best of a group of old, hasbeens on the defensive side. No one there presents any real fear in any QB. Without LBs or secondary blitzes, no real pressure comes from the front four (or three).

Snyder wants so desperatley to be like his hero, Jerry Jones. But, there are two real differences. Jerry Jones is more than 5 ft. tall and HE HAS A FOOTBALL BACKGROUND. Lil' Dano DOES NOT.

Snyder is not capable of GMing. Period. He's shown time and again in the last 10 years of ownership, he needs to go run his theme park or as Sonny once said, "leave the country during the draft and the entire football season, to give the Redskins a chance to be successful."

'Just proves if you have enough money, you can muck up anything you want. Unfortunately, it happens to be a franchise many of us cared a great deal for.

I will again, the day Dano sells the team.

Posted by: Claude | April 26, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Also, those hating the TE pick.

Where would the giants be without Boss??

Depth is nice, you know..

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

i am not going to come up here ranting and screaming...

but if you think that in combination these were good picks than your just grasping at thin air.

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Claude-
Acutally, the OL is made up of 4 Pro Bowlers.
Subpar??

Jansen and Samuels are top 10 tackles.
Thomas a top 10 guard.
Rabach a top 10 center.
and, even with the Jets and Ravens they were..

Subpar.

God, there really needs to be a football IQ test before you can post here...

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Skins are dumb-AZZEZ!!!!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SCOOP | April 26, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm hoping the master plan is they decided not try and fix as many areas as possible _this_ year with the _first_ day picks but, instead, focus on the main weaknesses first.

I.e., fix the passing game since that's Zorn's baby. And our WRs are simply not suited for this offense. Plus, they can't stay healthy.

Then, fill in the gaps elsewhere through the second day, FA and future drafts.

Makes sense if you think about.

And hopefully these skill guys can contribute a little more the first year than lineman can.

Either that or it's a real fluster-cluck over there.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey D, I'd say Jansen is subpar because he hasn't finished a season in a long time. Having good talent on the field on opening day is good, but is useless if the talent can't get you through to the start of the postseason.

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Let me rephrase.
I get angry at homers that just see the Skins lose and try and pin it on line play, or whatever..grasping at air?

Thats what most of these posters do...they dont watch, they hear one thing on espn or in this blog and take it as gospel.
I understand loving your team.
But, it's the ignorant, beer-swilling fans that just want wins to brag about at the water cooler, but dont really care how it happens that I get tired of.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

well I have read allth epost so far.... 200+.. the vast majority...; negative towrds the Skins selection... I agree..

some use the Future Talent argument.. sad..
some say.. Scoring it critical.. how about stopping the pther team from scoring??
Some just realize.. Dand and Vinny haven't a clue...

but I still say... as armchairGM stated.. all our O Linemen are aging.. and yes Bugel saved the season last year... not T. Collins..

be that as it may... why take 3 Offensive recievers??? WR TE WR... when ot could have been so easy to take..

WR DE OT... or WR DT OG...

some say.. they are selection the best player at that pick... BS....

and this in itself is a flawed concept... Teams select players based on more than that...

Teams have a multitude of reasons... not the least of which is CURRENT NEEDS...

some say... our D was good...our O Line as acceptable...

I beg to differ.. the skins snuck..into the playoffs. they gave several games away.. not the least of which was the 17 pt debacle against the Giants..

this team needs to focus on how they can get to the Super Bowl.. not how other teams do it... we are not NE or INDY... we will never be... thats not us...

I rather enjoyed the posts about Mann, Manley and Lang..

let not forget trading for Lachey.. or drafting Samuels... or some of our other O Line standouts...

Great Teams have great Lines... the greatest teams have both...

currently... we have neither... but it does seem..we are going to have an excellent group of receivers...

Lot of good it will do... when Jason is sacked 4-5 times a game... fumbles as he has been prone to do... and is rushed on timing passes...

and we haven't the ability to apply the same pressure back on the teams exploiting our Line weaknesses...

brilliant....

Posted by: talontbo | April 26, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Karen-Fair enough about Jansen.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

With the draft, the Skins can become like the Cardinals with an elite receiving corps. In other news, with this draft, the Skins can become like the Cardinals.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

ARE and Thomas will go to Cincy for Ocho Cinco tomorrow.....you watch. Anyone notice the Bengals 2nd rd. choice, a WR. They took Simpson, so they'll end up with three young stud WR.

Danny will get his boy.....#85. Nobody tells him he can't do anything. He gets what he wants.

We'll have.......... Moss, Ocho, Kelly, Cooley, and Davis. Throw in Mix and Thrash in situational sets when needed. Not a bad group!

They will fill in other DL, OL, S, and CB tomorrow.

Posted by: jarresc | April 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

no ones arguing are starting O line isnt talented. But they are aging and have not stayed on the field as a unit much the last few years, and woefully thin. Most people wanted us to add depth there, so they could be groomed and step in when/if our older guys went down. Yes if are starting five can play all 16 games one more year, that would be great. But reloading there is huge.

Two WR and a TE all in the second round is straight lunacy.

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I think CL got it right.

In isolation, they're all good, value picks, but not when coupled together.

Posted by: kost52 | April 26, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

People are forgetting that with so many OL hurt last year...the youngsters got ALOT of play time....

Granted the starters are aging...but they do not SUCK...and we have quality depth for a change.

Yes we need a DE, a LB, a S, and a CB....but one thing at a time.

ALso.....with such good targets.....Campbell won't have to wait so long to throw the ball and the running game opens up ...which does alleviate pressure on the OL overall.

Go home boobirds....we don't need you on the Redskins Wagon.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | April 26, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Have not read all the comments because there are too many, but remember that the top priority of the West Coast offense is to step and throw quickly and let the receivers make the plays. JC will not need to be in the pocket as long as he has had to be in the previous offense. I like having the weapons although a bit surprised with a TE. They have so many more picks to go that they can now go for defensive players that can learn to play in the next year or two when they will ne needed.

I think the naysayers need to cool it because I do not think you all can judge talent like the pros can...and neither can I for that matter.

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take a First round talent at WR, knowing I need height and depth, than just snag any old DL just because its a need. Its a matter of skill/talent/cost ratios.

What DL should we have taken, that was ranked higher than Kelly, or Davis that was available?

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I get it about Fred Davis ... record-breaking TE at USC ... they used him as a wideout sometimes.

Malcolm Kelly, another WR, I don't get it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

ok, D

Thanks for explaining that teams have different formations. I never noticed that before. Really...

Your 2nd round picks should be, IMO, impact players and eventual starters. They shouldn't be rotational, package players. Those are the guys you pick up in the later rounds of the draft. I was fine with 1, maybe even 2 of those picks. But 3 pass-catchers? There's no need for that. None whatsoever. We're not the Patriots or the Colts. We don't have the luxury of picking whoever we want because the rest of our positions are set. We completely ignored our other needs on the field. I know people here are saying "we have 6 more picks," but unlike them, I'm not confident in Snyder and Cerrato picking a DE, DT, CB, S, LB, and G/C/T with the remaining 6 picks (3 of which are late 7th rounders), and having them all pan out. What they did was moronic.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"ARE and Thomas will go to Cincy for Ocho Cinco tomorrow ... you watch. ..."

Posted by: jarresc | April 26, 2008 9:35 PM

For the life of me, this is the only rational explanation that makes sense to me.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

How many receivers make an impact in the 1st year.. i'll tell you.. NONE ! beside QB's, what position usually doesn't pan out ? i'll tell you RECEIVERS.. and who took our defensive end merling ? i'll tell you PARCELLS..
dropping down was a total waste..

Posted by: vgp | April 26, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

please say the madness is over for today. can't wait to find some special teamers tomorrow.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

At least we'll have more than 1 option to throw the ball too.We have saw what having a pathetic offense for the last 10 years will do too ya....Our defense has been more than strong enough too many times ....then watch the O go 3 and out in crunch time...GO SKINS!!

Posted by: Keith | April 26, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I was optimistic when I saw Danny-boy restrain himself during F.A., then stockpile some picks in the weak late first round then....

the tea bagger struck -- his millenesque moves...drafting THREE pass catchers (Danapoleon must be dreaming about another type of 'catching') in the second round...

WELCOME TO BUFFOONERY CENTRAL.

We ARE the laughingstock of the NFL.

Posted by: snyderisvinnysbottom | April 26, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

D, that's why we need O Line help. Rabach is durable, but old. Samuels is similar. But Thomas and Jansen are injury prone. On top of that ESPN's roster only lists TWO OG, the aging Kendall being one of them. There is no way you can't say that OL isn't an extreme need for us. Also, beyond Carter, our DL is subprime, even with our youngsters. While we don't need to fill all our OL/DL holes this draft, especially since next years draft is going to be stocked, we at least needed a couple of surefire hits on the lines. Taking Kelly with that third pick I'll never forgive. At the very minimum - if you're going to draft another receiver, have it be someone who is fast and not a whiny bastard. PERIOD.

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Looking at what other teams did today, no one really did well ... except Miami who got Jake Long, Phillip Merling, and Chad Henne. Bastards.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the offense will be intersting this year. We now have depth and that gives the coach options. It also is a message to Moss and ARE to be more productive. I would have liked a DE but we forget about Chris Wilson. He could develop into a pass rusher. Plus I think they will draft a couple of linemen before the draft is over. It's just nice to know there won't be too much pressure on these guys. Davis isn't suppose to be the TE just a compliment to what we already have. Solid draft. Wow the skins are drafting for once.

Posted by: vernondean17325 | April 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Karen, thank you for injecting some logic on this blog.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

psps23-fair enough.
I still disagree. I think there is value in Davis, freeing up Cooley..we can go 2 TE, 2 WR, and motion Portis if need be..there is so much we could do.

We can go 3 TE..Davis, Cooley and Sellars, Kelly split out for jump balls..

ARE sticks to punt returns and slot reciever. Moss can focus on quick slants and deeper routes instead of having to be a possesion guy.

Look at the Patriots.
A BIG part of their blue print was versatility..

Again, I dont think unless we could have traded UP for Gholston or Dorsey, I dont think there was a DE or DT with the same potenial as the wr/te/wr we took.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Will have these anon naysayers be praising the team if they have a great year? Relax until the whole draft is done.

Posted by: CT Skins Fans | April 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, we know that the second day is often as important as the first. If not more.

Few of them can step right in and play; but they're the type of selections that teams depend on and build a core around.

So, let's see what they're going to do.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs got a sweet collection too: Glenn Dorsey, Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

your welcome psps23.

Posted by: Karen | April 26, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I find myself in a weird middle ground. I think the drafting today has been horrendous but I am not moved to gnash my teeth like a petulant child. Yet the polyanna Skins do no wrong, crowd I find equally gross..

I just watched Zorn on ESPN, did not instill much confidence. He also hinted Thomas was their man the whole time.

I can't believe we ended up with Kelly...beyond depressing...

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

D,

there's no doubt we've added versatility, and that's definitely a good thing to have. and i'm generally in favor of BPA. but there's a limit to each of those. to me, unless cerrato has something up his sleeve (like a trade with one of our receiving assets), he simply has no plan. i can't for the life of me think why he would ignore such obvious holes in our roster (depth-wise), and completely overload at an already talented position (maybe not durable, but you can't say they're not talented).

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I've had a little while to dgst all of this and here's my take (for what it's worth.) We certainly gave Zorn and Campbell all the help they could possibly want. Defenses wll have a tough time defending. Our offensive line and defensive line weren't horrible but they are aging. There are a few young guys already in the fold t begin to groom but obviousy we ed more. Now I'm just guessing herebutI would bet that with six remaining picks we'll address those lines as well as some otherpositions. You don't rebuild (or begin to reuild or whatever) in one year. Westill have a little cap room left so I expect a coupe of veteran players to be added to try to fill some holes as well. Our defense was pretty damn good last year but did blow it at some key times. Let's pray for health this year and hopefully a pretty good year. And hopefully by next year these rookie guys will be ready, Heyer, Golston, Montgomery, et all, will be ready, and we'll draft again next year. Having said that, I HATE WAITING TOO!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse


Have some of you got amnesia? We had the 8th ranked defense last year with that D-Line that everyone says was so bad. We have young guys on that line (Golston, Montgomery, and Wilson). I think they are getting young on that D-Line. The only game where the O-line stunk was against the Seahawks. Heyer will be a starter at RT by the 09' season. You draft a young guard tomorrow and maybe a center. Also, Samuels is still a very good LT, so you don't need his replacement this year. They need to draft Springs replacement though. I'm not a fan of too many free agent corners. You've got to develop them. Some of you may be looking for a continuation of Gibbs' offense. Moss is 29, and still a threat, but has had nagging injuries.

Hail Skins!!! Chill out people!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Liked them going for one WR, ok with them drafting a TE (might take some pressure off of Cooley), thought the 2nd WR was overkill, but doesn't do any good b**ching about it now. Just hope that all of these guys add value.

Posted by: BT | April 26, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

How many receivers make an impact in the 1st year.. i'll tell you.. NONE ! beside QB's, what position usually doesn't pan out ? i'll tell you RECEIVERS.. and who took our defensive end merling ? i'll tell you PARCELLS..
dropping down was a total waste..

Posted by: vgp | April 26, 2008 9:39 PM

randy moss, larry fitzgerald, andre johnson, marques colston, etc etc. all good big wr's. if any of the 2 we drafted turn out we will be fine.

people need to stop crying so much

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

wikipedia updates faster than the Washington Times. Wikipedia listed the the Redskins draft picks as Redskin Players anf the WTimes
does't list anything about the draft. What's up with that?

Posted by: Charsui | April 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I dont AGREE with most of your opinions that the o line and d line not being drafted makes or breaks our 2008/09 season...We needed some bigger wrs and we gotem

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

If you think that either of these WRs is going to make-or-break this next season, you're being EXTREMELY wishful. 1st year wide receivers hardly ever make a significant impact, or any impact at all. Then it comes down to what's more important for the future. Would it be finding replacements for an o-line where every starter is over 30? Would it be finding an impact pass rusher? Or even finding eventual replacements for Daniels and Griff?... Or is it finding eventual replacements at WR and a eventual #2 TE? In my opinion, this draft represents how backwards Snyder and Cerrato view the way to build a football team.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 9:21 PM

I never said a WR was going to make or break us either...Love it when peeps put words in your mouth....I was speaking about how peopel in here think because they didnt draft what THEY wanted them to...they are doomed for this season...I still DO NOT AGREE!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

psps23-Again,we disagree. fair enough.

I dont think we were "overloaded" with talent at WR position. We had Moss. That's it.
And ARE, a better 3rd receiver/change of pace/trick play guy more than anything. I just dont think Thrash and Mix are as good as Thomas and Kelly.

At least we can agree we want the Skins to do well.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dudes.. we're not rebuilding.. we made the playoffs last year and we have an aging team.. you need players that are going to help this year.. a defensive end with a motor would help this year, etc.. and you watch, these idots will trade our next years high picks to get chad johnson and those receivers will be sitting on the bench, and there goes the rebuilding to boot.. honestly this team can't do anything right..

Posted by: vgp | April 26, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

1st year recievers that made an impact:
Randy Moss, Anquin Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Charles Rogers, Lee Evans,Heath Miller,Braylon Edwards, Michael Clayton...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's all JLC's fault!

Posted by: Charlie | April 26, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Marques Colston, Jerry Rice (who also was in the WCO and posted a 4.70 40 time),..I can go on and on here...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Everybody go deep.

Posted by: SMACK | April 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh well at least they've given us all something to talk about eh??

My gut reaction was WTF???? Now, I've had time to digest it I'm kinda excited to see how it all pans out BUT, that offensive line sure could have done with some help. I do think the OL starters are talented enough but can they all last the season??? Recent history tells us NO.

I believe that football is won and lost in the trenches - keep your QB on his feet and knock the other guy's QB down and you stand a better than even chance of winning the game. I don't believe we have a good enough pass rush and I worry nig-time about the durability of the offensive line. I do think we needed a WR but I think we should have used at least one of these 2nd round picks on one of the lines.

Anyway, let's wait and see how it all goes. One thing's for sure - Campbell can't complain that he doesn't have anyone to throw to!!!

Posted by: tartanskin | April 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough D, agree to disagree.

We weren't overloaded before, but we had talent there. Moss, ARE, and Cooley are more than enough as a formidable pass-catching trio (when healthy). Adding 3 more should-be starting-caliber talents to that trio is overloading with talent, IMO. Again, not a bad thing to have, but completely unnecessary considering the other positions that could've been solidified by sacrificing one or two of those new guys.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

so when we draft OL and DL in the 3rd and 4th tomorrow, i guess everyone is going to cry how we needed a LB to eventually replace fletcher and washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

People...

It's day one...the draft is not even half over!

My prediction for the next 6 picks..(in no particular order)

G
DE
CB
CB
QB
LB

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Nobody on this blog, including the author, knows s**t about football.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you about the author

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The only way this makes sense is to have flexibility to make a trade to Zona Detroit or Cinci. Unless this is one of the worst draft years ever, I can't see why they passed up line help or dbs depth. You can't put all these guys on the field at once.....

Posted by: SkinsinNYC | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but we most definitely are in a building stage. When you hire a QB coach and instantly promote him to Head Coach, you don't expect a whole lot from them in the first year.

Our run into the playoffs was pretty much a fluke, with a combination of us beating the right teams and the right teams losing to other teams.

Playoffs or not, we were 9-7, and lost a lot of games at the end.

I think this draft is setting up for Zorn and the WCO with Jason Campbell to dominate in a couple of years.

And why is everyone crying about needs on defense? I thought our defense played fairly well down the stretch last year, and got us into the playoffs.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Nobody on this blog knows a damn thing about football.

Our WR's didn't catch any TDs - that means we are thin at WR, not line.

WRONG!!

It is amazing how people on here know nothing about football, and how one positoon affects the production of another position.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill, this was a a great 1st day. what people forget is that santana turns 29 this year. if we draft 2 wr's and te we are set for the next 5 to 7 years. then you can draft d line and o line in rounds 3-7

Posted by: great one | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I come out of hibernation...

For this?

FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Man, there are some serious kool-aid drinkers here. The Redskins always win in the off season, we're always going to the Super Bowl in April. The reality is, if the front office knew what they were doing they wouldn't need to pick three receivers. They'd simply pick one good one. If the FO knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have signed Brandon Loyd and ARE, 'cause they would have seen they neither was a number one anymore than Moss is.

The game is won in the pits, not by some candy-ass wide receiver. It's won with defense and toughness and guts. The Redskin FO is totally gutless and Snyder is a fantasy football jock-sniffer who knows nothing about the game and the Redskins will continue to loose and suck until he's gone -- which I have to tell you, isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

I've been watching the Redskins every fall, since Sonny and Billy were playing and the franchise hasn't been the same since free agency and the Squire died. Einstein said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. So, ya'll keep drinking the Kool-aid, but I'm going to spend this fall on the bay sailing, it's a lot more fun than supporting the insanity at Redskins park.

~TechNomad

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Dont know much about the receivers and tight end drafted today but from what I read they are talented, strong, young, with speed(kelly has 4.6 speed some say but mike quick for the eagles along time ago also had 4.6 40yard dash speed and made it to 5 pro bowls and would have made it to the hall of fame if not for astro turf knee injuries.)Take a look at the giants o-line any pro bowlers on it?..No, rookie o-lineman rarely start any way get 1 or 2 in later rounds grab a d-lineman in 3rd also linebacker and d-back, qb and remember heyer and alexander are young developing o-linemen from last year maybe they will challenge jansen & the guard (forgot his name) they traded to obtain from jets.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, for those whining about how you can draft receiving weapons when Jason Campbell will be on his ass most of the time because we didn't draft Offensive Line early....

Remember, in the WCO, the QB takes a maximum 5 step drop before releasing the ball quickly, so he won't be on the ground like he was during the 7 step drops last year.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 26, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

look.. you can name a few receivers that did decent their 1st year, but most do not.. this team is aging.. we don't need players that will most likely take a while to develope.. we need immediate pass rush help, corners and ol help to develope and give those older guys a rest.. my opinion, they did an awful job.... and wasted the better picks they got by dropping down..

Posted by: vgp | April 26, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Again, I ask you folks that are against drafting an OL or DL.

Who was ranked higher at those positions than what we have?
Who, exactly, is the savior at these positions? What players are you referring to?

After Gholston, Dorsey and Merling..not much I would have spent a 2nd round pick on. And noone else ranked any higher than what we drafted, either.

I understand we need help at those positions. But again, DL and DE's bust just as often as quarterbacks, and OL often are very good from later rounds..except for T, admittedly.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

TechNomad

enjoy the golden years on the bay

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

My prediction for the next 6 picks..(in no particular order)
G
DE
CB
CB
QB
LB
Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:05 PM

My prediction (also in no particular order)
WR
WR
WR
WR
WR
WR

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

We will look back at this draft for the guys we did NOT pick;

Future pro-bowlers...

It will begin to become crystal clear in week one, when the Giants dismantle us, in large part, because we are still NOT able to:

1. Rush the passer
2. Have the more dominant, physical O-line to both protect the young QB, and to create gaps for the aging Portis.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

TechNomad-
Ok, your point makes no sense, since we did the exaxt opposite this year than we normally do.
How many free agents did we sign? How many picks did we have?

Man, I hate Snyder as much as the next guy, probably more, in fact but geez...you ask for change, they do it, and it isnt good enough

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I love our picks even though the TE was a little suspect. I don't think any other team had him going this high so I believe we could have waited until the third round to draft him. I think we should have drafted Campbell instead with this pick. Hopefully, we'll be able to attend to the D-Line/O-Line with the rest of the picks. I bet Buges can find some solid o-line in the later rounds or an undrafted rookie. At least now we can stop crying about the Redskins trading for CJ and stop crying about the WR's we've picked. This will give us depth at a key position in the West Coast Offense.

Posted by: Redskin4Life | April 26, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Stop it with the instant gratification people!

They are building for the future, this is NOT a SuperBowl team next year, regardless of who they draft.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

So maybe Lorenzo Alexander becomes the guard of the future? Seems like we need a safety (or two), plus OLB and CB spares, and the #3 QB. That's five guys and there are six picks remaining ... add punter.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

also, our O-line handled the Giants better than the Eagles or Cowboys did..

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

With all the experts on this blog, why do we even need a FO or to pay for all the scouts we have?

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

i guess people forgot the sunday night a*s kicking we gave the superbowl winning giants in the meadowlands in december. they got on a lucky run and are no better than us.

and for the last couple weeks all i read on here was people badmouthing calais campbell. now its we should have drafted him

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I think saying most WR's drafted in the 1st two rounds dont make an impact is an outright falsehood.

I'll do my research.

WR is one of the easiest to transition to the pro game.

Bigger bust potentials: quarterback, RB,T and DE

I can understand if we all have a Michael Westbrook hangover..but, thats the beauty:
We arent paying 1st round money for 1st round talent. How is that NOT a plus??

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I think saying most WR's drafted in the 1st two rounds dont make an impact is an outright falsehood.

I'll do my research.

WR is one of the easiest to transition to the pro game.

Bigger bust potentials: quarterback, RB,T and DE

I can understand if we all have a Michael Westbrook hangover..but, thats the beauty:
We arent paying 1st round money for 1st round talent. How is that NOT a plus??

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Some of you folks are dreaming.

The Redskins are retrograde in too many significant respects.

So far we have done NOTHING to prevent another 52-7 drubbing by a team like the Patriots, one of the benchmarks for determining how good your team is.

The Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles are going to run circles around us in 2008; this is going to be painful to watch.

Brace yourself...

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

the Pats shellacked the Cowboys and Eagles, too

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

last year's offensive weapons

Santana Moss
Antwan Randle-El
Keenan McCardell
Reche Caldwell
James Thrash
Chris Cooley
Clinton Portis
Mike Sellars

This year's potential weapons

Santana Moss
Antwan Randle El
Malcom Kelly
Devin Thomas
Fred Davis
Chris Cooley
Anthony Mix
Clinton Portis
Mike Sellars

C'mon people, on paper, I think we're officially upgraded

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

fyi - pats barely beat the eagles

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

D,

there was an article on espn documenting the success rate of each position drafted early, WR was the worst position on the field (tied with QB). maybe that's why they decided to take 3 receivers (essentially). cerrato probably wasn't confident in any one of these guys, and is hoping the more options we have, the greater chance one of them pans out.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah, the Pats pretty much did work us over.

touche

But, the point is, they rolled over EVERYONE for the first 10 weeks...

And lost the Super Bowl.
Its like the Dallas Mavs of last year.

Doesnt mean a thing.
I still thinks this makes us more able to compete with the Cowboys offense.
I dont think the Giants are anywhere close to repeating...they were the Ravens of 2000 last year

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell needs more help than either Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas can give him.

It doesn't matter who we line up at WR if we can't buy JC some time, and also give him a running game.

It would also be nice if our defense could rush the passer.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I think having a better offense would have reduced the beating we had from the Pats. We keep the ball more and score more, the game has a better result. More weapons means more opportunities.

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people, on paper, I think we're officially upgraded

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:23 PM

I don't think anybody's arguing that. I think the issue is keeping JC on his feet so he doesn't end up like a punching bag for the defense, and getting some people on defense to offset the loss of GWill and stop a 52-7 embarrassment.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I saw these first three picks coming a mile away (literally)

Posted by: reche caldwell | April 26, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

@ podspeak,

As mentioned before, the WCO does not need a lot of time in the pocket. The receivers make the big plays. The OL must be able to hold the line for a 3-5 step drop versus the 7 step drop and waiting for receivers to make a clearing in the old offense.

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

A grade-school football fan can tell you that receivers don't mean squat if there's nobody to block for your quarterback. This sounds like danny wants some toys. Idiot. Bugel and Blache are probably crying themselves to sleep tonight.

Posted by: RIP | April 26, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are looking more and more like the Detroit Lions every day.

We have neglected the lines for the past ten years. Wide receivers do not help a team who is lacking in these respects.

Sorry!

One of the main reasons the Giants knocked off the Pats in the SB is because they put Brady on his backside.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

the likelihood of both jansen and randy thomas having season ending injuries again is slim. we pick up a good G/C tomorrow. we are better than we were yesterday. to say we are gonna stink before seeing anything is short sighted and knee jerk.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

D.. listen to psps23, read that article on espn and do your research,, i;ll be waiting.. but i'm telling you receiver is the position most likely not to make it.. and most don't do anything in their first couple of years.. hell, jerry rice didn't do much his first few years..

Posted by: vgp | April 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse


Sorry if I rubbed you folks the wrong way.
and, psps23-ill look for that espn article.
I can admit if I am wrong.
I was very, very angry that we even attempted to trade for Chad Johnson.

I dont trust Dan and Vinny.
But, I really do think this was a good draft. Finally.
ANd, for once, not overpaying for talent.
I also dont think there was a DE/DL or OL guy that we couldnt get in later rounds.

I also dont think it was all the O-Lines faults for Portis' play, either. It was the scheme. He was a square peg in a round hole. He's NOT a power back. The WCO is what they run in Denver, where he shined.
And Portis, quite frankly, didnt even play hard until Sean Taylor was murdered.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cb | April 26, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I said I will read it.
But, Jerry Rice was named NFL Rookie of the year, so I dont know what you are talking about.

Seems you are just as wrong as I am, on some things.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

CT Skins fan:

What you say is true.

HOWEVER

We do not have Steve Young lining up under center. We have a kid named Jason Campbell; whose mechanics are NOT a good fit for the WCO.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to chill, this was a a great 1st day. what people forget is that santana turns 29 this year. if we draft 2 wr's and te we are set for the next 5 to 7 years. then you can draft d line and o line in rounds 3-7

Posted by: great one | April 26, 2008 10:07 PM

You would think, but thats not the case. They're probably going to draft Josh Johnson with their third round pick and then maybe they'll take an O-Lineman with their 4th round pick, but I doubt it.

JLC I owe you an appology. You were right about Snyder and Cerrato they didn't learn.

Also someone tell me about the last time a team won a Super Bowl because they had a great passing game.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Last time a team won a super bowl with a great passing game was probably St. Louis in 1999

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

@ podspeak,

The challenge we have with JC is we don't know what we have because he is so young. Young on the other hand had many years to develop into the scheme with weapons. This gives him weapons. I like JC a lot and I think this will give him a chance to show what he can do.

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The two seconds you claim JC does not need, because he'll be running the WCO, are the two seconds we will wish we could have bought him.

The O-line sets the tone for the whole offense. Any fool knows that much, even a fool like me.


Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

So, I guess the giants, with a bunch of no name, low round picks on their O-line doesnt count?

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough D, agree to disagree.

We weren't overloaded before, but we had talent there. Moss, ARE, and Cooley are more than enough as a formidable pass-catching trio (when healthy). Adding 3 more should-be starting-caliber talents to that trio is overloading with talent, IMO. Again, not a bad thing to have, but completely unnecessary considering the other positions that could've been solidified by sacrificing one or two of those new guys.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 10:03 PM

we usually agree but the phrase "overloading with talent" makes me laugh. What the hell, overloading with talent? Give me an "overload of talent" anyday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Everyone just calm down. It's a good draft day, 2 solid receivers and a 2nd good TE. Opens up the offense A LOT. We still have 6 picks to get some line and secondary help. The TE pick suprised me as well but after thinking about it, the ability to get Cooley one-on-one with a LB sounds good to me. Sunday is LINE day!! Hail!

Posted by: Smiley | April 26, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cb | April 26, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS + 2 WR's = DETROIT LIONS

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

So, I guess the giants, with a bunch of no name, low round picks on their O-line doesnt count?

Yeah but they won the Super Bowl because their front seven defensively just overwhelmed Brady and the Pats.

Give us that front seven - 4 of them at least - and today's picks make great sense.

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

2008 Draft, day one, will go down as a bust.


FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

thanks cb. nice to see some highlights of the playmakers we just drafted rather than the repeated crying of some people up here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

A grade-school football fan can tell you that receivers don't mean squat if there's nobody to block for your quarterback. This sounds like danny wants some toys. Idiot. Bugel and Blache are probably crying themselves to sleep tonight.

Posted by: RIP | April 26, 2008 10:31 PM


Either that or they're getting ready to do their jobs, coach up some players. Most O-lineman in the league are drafted later rather than earlier, as for d-line, we weren't too bad last year and we already have a few youngsters, I'm sure we'll add more. As for the idiot earlier who said that we will now trade away next years draft picks for CJ... well, your an idiot. They wouldn't take a first and a third this year, what makes you think they'll trade for next years picks?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The Gianst D was ranked 7th, the Skins 8th last year.
They're sacking line beat...the Patriots.

You cant draft solely expecting to face the Pats in the Super Bowl...

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

One of the two: Thomas or Kelly may very well develop into a productive WR, over time.

HOWEVER

The Redskins clearly have more pressing needs.

Posted by: p | April 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of the bumbling stumbling Redskins. Everyone knew we needed major help on the Offensive and defensive lines, corner and saftey. What a bunch of clowns. Why do we need another tight end!?? Why Malcom Kelly on top of Thomas!!! Seriously, three drafts picks don;t make up for the fact that little Danny boy didn't get his Chad Johnson fix on.

SJK!!! SJK!!! So much for looking for four or five starters! These team is run by a bunch of a$$clowns.

Posted by: Down Town Clown | April 26, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell1975-Agree with your last post.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow it's amazing how many people are upset about the picks. I thought that the skins would take Campbell @48 but they didn't. Now we have depth in the WR and TE positions. The haters need to quit JC needs weapons now he has them we'll get help on the line on both side but the hate going on here is really stupid the finished 8th overall last year which is really damn good, Lest we forget that the D bailed us out alot of times when the O didn't score points now plus there are still are some gems on the second day so chill if you're that upset find someone else to root for!!!!!

Posted by: salisbury md | April 26, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

@ "D."

Your espn power rankings mean NOTHING!

Take another look at the games we won and lost in 2007, and how we won and lost those games.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

One of the two: Thomas or Kelly may very well develop into a productive WR, over time.

HOWEVER

The Redskins clearly have more pressing needs.

Posted by: p | April 26, 2008 10:47 PM


our wr's didnt have a td until november last year. if that isnt a pressing need i dont know what is

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

We lost them because we cant score more than 20 points in a game..which put more pressure on our D

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak,

I will just have to respectfully disagree. If these guys end up making the team better, will you come back and say you were wrong? I will do the same if they are busts.

Remember a guy named Galley, OL drafted 2nd by Raiders. He has not done much either so it is all a crap shoot. You never know. That is the fun. Waiting to see.

I think the OL we have will be more than ample to give JC time to make plays with a 3-5 step drop. But that is my opinion.

Serious question. Where did we rank last year with a depleted line in giving up sacks?

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

@ down town clown:

Right on the money, dude. This is a TRAVESTY!

FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

They also werent "Espn power rankings"

But, Team defense statistics.
yards per game, points per game..that sort of thing

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

we lost cause we got conservative and didnt score enough. wtf are you talking about

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

we usually agree but the phrase "overloading with talent" makes me laugh. What the hell, overloading with talent? Give me an "overload of talent" anyday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:41 PM

haha, i was trying to be hyperbolic. my point is, given everybody is healthy, there's going to be a waste because some of these guys will inevitably be on the bench. again, i said it's not a bad problem to have, but it's not necessary, especially considering that we could have gone a long way towards solidifying two other positions on the field by not drafting the last two guys. now, we have a 3rd, a 4th, a 6th, and three 7th rounders to try and upgrade at DE, DT, G, T, S, CB, LB, and QB. unlike others, i'm not too optimistic on vinny going 6 for 6 with our next picks, especially with 3 being so late. we had the chance to significantly upgrade 3 positions today. we ended up only significantly upgrading 1 (i don't count fred davis as a significant upgrade, considering cooley will be playing many more snaps than him - now and in the future).

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Why are all you fools acting like the draft is over? We still have 66% of our picks left. For those of you that understand this, keep trying to educate the unwashed (and unintelligent) masses and you'll get a migraine. Patience is a virtue. Conclussion jumping just makes you look stupid later.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Yep, fire Vinny and hire podspeak and down town clown.

:)

Posted by: CT Skins Fan | April 26, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The difference between the Lions and the Redskins...

Clinton Portis

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I could give a hoot about where we "ranked" last year.

2007 was painful.

Rankings, schmankings.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cb | April 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON PORTIS?

excuse me?

CP will not last even one third of a full season, assuming he makes it out of training camp healthy at all.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually OK with the picks. A little confused, but OK.

I would have like to have seen Cambell instead of Davis but I think they were gambling that he'd still be there at 51.

It's pretty amazing that both Thomas and Kelly fell to them and the offense definately has some weapons now. Hopefully, they can shore up the lines tomorrow.

Posted by: etrod | April 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

psps, I know what you were trying to do, and I was playing Captain obvious. I understan what you are saying. But it will certainly be nice to have those weapons, you'll see, this will be good for us. Like I said, the draft ain't over...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

doest vinny look like he's smokin the crack

Posted by: Cerackhead | April 26, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Besides, I can't bash getting 2 first round talents in the 2nd...yet...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

stop being a fan pod. you are ridiculous

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Running back years are like dog years, which would make Portis the equivalent of an eighty year old man.

Rashard Mendenhall is one of those guys we did not pick, whom we will look back on and wish we would have.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

It was painful, but I dont know about you, I kinda liked being with the half the league that made the playoffs.

You're right. What we needed is OL an DL.
That way, cambpell can be protected while Moss drops passes and ARE gets pummeled going across the middle. Then we can set up Portis to drop passes, run straight into the line and fall down.
You are absolutely right,what was I thinking?

We need to shore that up so can be sure to score only 20 pts a game, leave our defense on the field and go 8-8.
Better than taking the best talent on the board.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Time out.

Everyone up here, I love the spirited conversation, love all the new voices, but I cannot stand the "you don't understand/know enough about football" criticism. Let's put that one to rest.

I don't understand football, and I've never let that stop me from posting whatever the heck I felt like posting up here. Because the way I feel as a Skins fan is, you know, where I'm coming from, that's what I hang my hat on. And right now I don't feel good about these three draft picks we've made. Not good at all, no sir.

One more thing: calling one or both of these WRs "first round talent" is like claiming that the Redskins were not a playoff team last season. You get picked in the second round, guess what, you're second round talent! Thank you for playing!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

guy this was the best insight of the night here:

"Fifth - Do you really, really think that Blache would sit there and let them draft three receivers if he really wanted someone on the board? Not from what I've heard about the man. Same thing with Bugel - Neither one of them have any reason to sit there and be quiet while Vinny, Dan or Jim Zorn make picks that they don't agree with."

I totally agree 200%...none of thos DL and OL would start are make instant impact. we can look for that value on 2nd day

Posted by: bornskinfan | April 26, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

D, it's far less than half -- only 12 out of 32 teams that make the playoffs. Quite an honor.

And yet you still hear up here from time to time how the Skins weren't good enough to be in the playoffs, or got lucky, didn't deserve it, shouldn't have been in the playoffs, or whatever. Blah blah blah.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok pod...if Clinton doesn't last a full season, then we go to Betts.

It's called depth...

Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Davis is a fine player...but to me that was the head scratcher pick...I can see the value of the two WR, their size and how they slid...but snag Campbell instead of Davis...

If I was Cooley I would be a bit nervous, I understand "two TEs" but to me when you have Cooley, Sellers, yoder...you can add depth later or via cheap free agency.

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

nate-I wouldnt be a newcomer if I had to sign up with the name I use for the Op-Ed page.

Typing in afake name everytime, that isnt registered, to anyone, kinda kills it for me

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

A silver lining: we have to be close to the league lead in Freds, right?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

5-11, regardless of who we picked. no one to steer the ship - coaches suck, talent is average and owner is an idiot.

Posted by: midwestskin | April 26, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps talking about how we should have gotten someone for the O-line or D-line. Did we all watch the same draft? All the studs were taken already. Yes Merling, Campbell, and Groves were still there, but none of them were THAT great. Yes, they were very good players, but good college translates into decent NFL. So if these receivers were the best and they happen to fit into Zorn's grand scheme, why not take them.

And let me remind all you folks that are hating on our offensive line, yes, they may be older, but they are still pretty damn good at what they do. Its not like we are gonna replace Samuels, Kendell,Rabach, Thomas or Jansen along the line even if we did draft someone. And if one of these guys get hurt, Pucillo or Heyer would come in first. Pollack was drafted so high because a team like Indy has the luxury to do that, we don't. We also have decent backups for now, so we can draft linemen in later rounds and have Bugel develop them over the next year.

As far as the defense is concerned, we were ranked number 8 in defense last year. We had the #4 run defense and #16 pass defense. So do not hate on Daniels or Carter (10.5 sacks, and no 29 is not really that old, so calm yourself down). Alot of you mentioned Groves, Merling and Campbell as possible picks we could have had. Well, for all you Groves supporters, let me remind you that he has been arrested more times than everyone on the Skins roster combined. The dude can't stay out of trouble(Future Pacman situation). Also, he is a light weight, he was originally a LB, who was moved to the line in college and was still able to succeed because college linemen are smaller and less talented. In the pros, he would get eaten alive. Campbell is too tall for his own good and also slow. A good O-lineman can get under him and drive him back. Merling would have been a good pick, but he was gone, and thats that.

So why don't you guys all calm down and just wait and see what happens. because at the end of this season, if campbell, groves, and merling turn out to be busts, all of you will be faking like you are glad the redskins did not take them.

After the top 10-15 picks, the draft becomes more of a luck of the draw type of thing. How do you think the patriots ended up with Tom Brady in the sixth round, because they thought he was that good? Hell no, otherwise they would have drafted him in the first round. he HAPPENED to be available and they happened to not think more highly of anyone else, so they took him. So just stop hating on all our players, because a couple of months ago, you were cheering for this same group of guys as the pushed themselves into the playoffs.

Posted by: drew | April 26, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Ok...I've had it with your insults. I'm selling the team, but first I must screw all your wives

Posted by: dan snyder | April 26, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

and Nate, you're a west coaster, I here?
Seatle??

I was born there, had/have familar there..
Tacoma, Bremerton area.

Seahawks or my "football mistress" team

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@ "d"

You're right. What happened to registration? This blog is like the Washington Redskins;

BROKEN!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

as much as i love to slam snyder and cerrato, i guess i have to face the facts: thomas, davis, and kelly are now redksins. i can't hate a redskin (at least one that hasn't given me a reason to). we'll probably be the first team to send 4 WRs and 2 TEs to the pro bowl in the same year. and i guess we can officially take WR and TE off our draft wish-list. here's to having the most powerful array of weapons in the nfl.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Drew-fantastic post, thats what I have been trying to say

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the TE and Kelly pick (after Thomas) but one thing's for sure - Zorn plans to throw the ball next year......alot.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 26, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

@ Nate:

Dude, I thought you were objective?

The Redskins are a weak team; FESS UP!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

One more thing: calling one or both of these WRs "first round talent" is like claiming that the Redskins were not a playoff team last season. You get picked in the second round, guess what, you're second round talent! Thank you for playing!

-Nate in the PDX

Yeah, Joe Montana was third round talent, right???? Really smart comment. I bet you are one of those "I am smarter than vinny" types, aren't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

See, Snyder does learn from his mistakes!

He got rid of BLloyd, full of skills/potential but with a very questionable attitude... and acquired Malcolm Kelly, questionable skills/potential (slow/injured) but with a little less attitude!

Posted by: Alan | April 26, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Would all of you clowns who keep talking about the QB being on his back explain to me who we were going to pick at OL that was going to start this year?

John Jansen would be the only backup OT with 6.0 million dollar cap number.

Green Bay game and the Seahawks game were the ones that the pass protection failed us.

The only OL position that might have a new starter is LG.

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 26, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Looks like either Anthony Mix or James Thrash will be hitting the road very soon, same for Todd Yoder since I can't imagine keeping 3 TEs plus Sellers. Davis was the only pick that really surprised me, I thought for sure they'd go for a defensive guy there. But if Davis comes in has an impact I'm all good.

Posted by: Scott | April 26, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I do love me my Redskins, but I can admit the obvious:

2007 was pathetic (see 52-7 loss to the Pats, among other tell tale signs; like barely beating the Dolphins.)

2008 doesn't look much better.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

TechNomad

enjoy the golden years on the bay

Posted by: anoyomous coward | April 26, 2008 10:12 PM

I will; enjoy your kool-aid! Call me -- no wait, use the partical accelerator personal transporter -- when the skins once again go deep into the playoffs.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Would all of you clowns who keep talking about the QB being on his back explain to me who we were going to pick at OL that was going to start this year?

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 26, 2008 11:12 PM

the draft isn't about this year, it's about the future. our entire o-line is over 30. do you think we're going to be able to replace the entire o-line in one year's draft? this is a situation that needs to be taken care of this year, so it doesn't come back to bite us next year.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

pod,again, I disagree,respectfully.

I'd rather lose 52-7 and make the playoffs than have all close games and be 8-8

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

so, you want us to take a step back,and rebuild, after a playoff season? odd..

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

@ "d":

Playoffs?

The Seahawks, born out the weakest division in the NFC, possibly the weakest division in the whole league, summarily dismissed us....AGAIN!

How this makes you all warm and fuzzy inside is beyond comprehension.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins play in the NFC East.

We will NOT have the good fortune of sneaking into the playoffs again, my friends.


Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

so, you want us to take a step back,and rebuild, after a playoff season? odd..

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:17 PM

it's not taking a step back. it's providing depth and avoiding the need to completely rebuild in the future. it's vision beyond one year, something snyder's had trouble with in his tenure. no matter how talented these players become, this team won't go anywhere if the offensive line breaks down. just look at cincinnati. top 5 QB, 2 top 10 WRs, talented RB, but full of problems on offense because their o-line is crap. and it's sad, because they're all in their prime right now. that's what i want the skins to avoid.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly meet Asante Samuel.

Devin Thomas, I introduce you to Adam Jones.

Ouch...

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Fred Thomas, meet Kenny Phillips.


Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Pod, I disagree.
The Giants won't repeat, hasnt happened in years.

Cowboys wont do anything, they are Coached by Wade Philips...he's a nicer version of Shottenheimer. And, I doubt Romo gets those lucky bounces on bad exchanges with center again. Iggles may be a sleeper.

And Seatle, didnt "dismiss" us..we were right in that game for awhile.

We are also playing with Todd Collins, a career 2nd or 3rd stringer

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

++++O-Line - Yes, we need young depth, but our problem this year was not talent, but injuries. We can get that in later rounds.+++


Jon Jansen was NEVER injured until he entered his thirties. Thomas pretty much the same. Samuels is in his thirties. Kendal is ancient.

It's a brutal game and old guys get hurt in the trenches.

Same on D.

The picks they got were good. Just excessive.

Lines win football games.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

D is delusional.

Todd Collins gave us the best shot of winning that Seattle game, wind or no wind at all.

WAKE UP!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I argee with greg,great picks.. we have a very deep passing game which will open up the run..I'm very excited..Hey and we have seven more picks for you haters..Plenty enough to fix your D-line and O-line..But I think will be a safety...

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Again, I think this was for the future.
You think Cooley or Portis are Skins-for life?

Cooley will want another big contract someday. Portis, too.

I dont see the "future" argument.

Look, I hate the owners.
We treat players like tissue paper.
But, for once..ONCE...we actually appeared to draft well, and you are STILL hating on it.

I think it was a good draft so far.
I'll buy ya a beer.
Go Skins.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

D is delusional.

The Cowboys, Giants and Eagles have us trumped, my friend.

WAKE UP!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I do like Davis' athleticism. Big and mobile.

He and Cooley are just going to beat up a bunch of DBs. Just brutalize them.

Get the offense fixed first; then address the defense.

There is another draft this year, right?

Posted by: Steve | April 26, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins couldnt hold Cambpells jock,dude.

Now your just outright loony.

The guy was a backup for 13 years.
YEARS. SO, you all of a sudden something in him that 4 different coaches didnt?
He's immoble. When the scheme breaks down, he's clueless. A "system" quarterback through and through.

Honestly,I think after Saunders left, there wasnt a single reason to re sign him accept...drum roll...

He'd accept it. Cause he is mediocre and even He knows it.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

No way in hell anyone can claim the Redskins are better than the competition in the NFC East.

Just not a reasonable statement, at this point.

Still a fan, just not a kool aid drinker.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

the draft isn't about this year, it's about the future. our entire o-line is over 30. do you think we're going to be able to replace the entire o-line in one year's draft? this is a situation that needs to be taken care of this year, so it doesn't come back to bite us next year.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:15 PM

Yes, we KNOW that, but i'll still give you a gold star for coming up with that one all on your own. We have six more picks left. 12 more hours of draft time tomorrow. I think we can come away with a couple of decent players who prolly are on the same level as a Mike Pollack. You seem to think that we could have solved our line problems with three offensive lineman with those three picks. NO, we would not have. WE can atleast get 3 more years out of this current line. If we can develop 1 lineman per year and add that to Alexander and Heyer, we can come up with a whole line in 3 years, who can protect our QB that is passing to Kelly, Thomas, adn Davis. If there is one position that you can find raw talent and refine it into a good palyer, its on the O-line. And we have one of the best coaches. ANd alot of you hated on Bugel too. Take a look at the hogs. Alot of those guys were not projected to be that great coming out of college. Bugel created the hogs by drafting unknowns and teaching them how to block and protect. And seeing what he did with heyer, i think he still has a knack for doing it.

If our offensive linemen get hurt, we have Heyer to help with the tackles and Pucillo to help with the center/guards. Just like they did last year and do not tell me they sucked, because they were actually rather decent.

But if Moss, Cooley, or ARE get hurt, who is gonna come in?? we have to scrap together a reveiving core (mccardell, caldwell, yoder, kozlowski, etc. And yes thrash is a great character guy and he had that one really good game last year, but lets be honest, he is a special team player at this point in his career). Moss and ARE are small and quick. Kelly and Thomas and big a slower. Its all about balance, too much of one thing is not good. And dont say we have two receivers, because ARE is honestly a #3, definitely not 1-2. Now instead of ARE running across the middle, we have 6-4 Kelly. Thomas plays opposite Moss and we have balance. ARE comes in for his gadget plays and everyone is happy. Fred davis is a decent backup, now we get rid of yoder and kozlowski. And when we need him in 2 TE formations, he can be a serious threat or blocker. You send Cooley and Yoder out there and i think its obvious who we are gonna throw too. So these picks are not really that bad. Plus, Moss and ARE get hurt alot because we over use them. With the two youngsters, they can take more breaks and be more refreshed througout the season.

Posted by: Drew | April 26, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

++++And Portis, quite frankly, didnt even play hard until Sean Taylor was murdered.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:33 PM+++


This is why Portis blew out his shoulder attempting to make a meaningless tackle in a meaningless preseason game.

I have NEVER seen a back hit linebackers harder when blocking than Portis. He runs as hard as his physical condition allows. Your statement is dead wrong.


Posted by: Corkczar | April 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth Kiper included the skins in his first day "winners." That's got to be a first.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Defense was 8th. What was there to fix?
Steelers had the #1 D and didnt make the Bowl.

Your whole "defense wins championships" is full of hype.

When was the last Super Bowl Winner that was #1?? The Ravens and Bears.
That Pats werent even #1 or have great pass rusing in any of their championships.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

yup good draft

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

If Todd Collins is such a LOSER, why was he able to jump start the team into the playoffs?

Your boy JC was OUTPLAYED by a 35 year old, career back up!

And please shut it about the Saunder's playbook. Even the Redskins players admitted that Todd made the plays on the field, which is what counts.


Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

tard factor, from all perspectives, getting dangerously high up here...

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

i Watched VINNIE explain on redskins dot com why he took three wideouts.

The board made him do it.

He didn't put all that time in grading players to not follow the board.

It was all in the numbers.

This is the kind of thinking that helped Germany win WWII.


Posted by: corkczar | April 26, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

D,

trust me, i wasn't hating on it after the thomas pick. i was ready to sing vinny's praises for moving back, picking a guy that very well could've gone at 21, and picking up an extra 2nd rounder. then it became questionable with the davis pick, i was just plain baffled after the kelly pick.

yes, each of these picks is for the future. but this tells how vinny/cerrato view the way to build a team. they look to get playmakers first, then fill out around them. that's something i just don't agree with. great teams are built from the inside, out. build the lines, and the skill positions will look good.

my theory: rebuild the Hogs before you try to remake the fun bunch.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

++++People...

It's day one...the draft is not even half over!

My prediction for the next 6 picks..(in no particular order)

G
DE
CB
CB
QB
LB
Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:05 PM++++


Only if VINNIE's board so dictates.

Posted by: cORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

++++People...

It's day one...the draft is not even half over!

My prediction for the next 6 picks..(in no particular order)

G
DE
CB
CB
QB
LB
Posted by: sicwidit | April 26, 2008 10:05 PM++++


Only if VINNIE's board so dictates.

Posted by: cORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

TechNomad-
Ok, your point makes no sense, since we did the exaxt opposite this year than we normally do. How many free agents did we sign? How many picks did we have?

Man, I hate Snyder as much as the next guy, probably more, in fact but geez...you ask for change, they do it, and it isnt good enough

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 10:13 PM

D --

My point is: this FO is all tactics and no strategy. Yeah, so this year they (probably) screwed up using the draft versus screwing up in the past using free agency. They're still incompetent. I've watch this managment team for what, ten years? In that time they've limped into the playoffs a few times and have been eliminated pretty quickly.

Danny doesn't know anything about football; let's not forget this is the same group that brought you the 'ol ball coach, Deion, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Michael Westbrook, Gardner R, Brandon Loyd et al. How many coaches have we had since the Danny bought the Redskins? You don't have to me a mnemonist to see a pattern here.

This year, I'm voting with my feet. I've got better things to do on a Sunday afternoon than watch the Skins loose. YMMV.

~TechNomad

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins is a wonderful, smart..backup.

And, JC was hurt, dude.
If being hurt means you've been outplayed because Portis played harder, Moss started catching balls he dropped in the first 10 games and the team came together emotionally after Taylors death..

Then, yeah..Todd Collins single handedly won every game for the Skins, is a top 10 quarterback and can do no wrong.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry posting:

Tard factor goes to 11!

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Just kidding, CR!

;-)

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I dont like the davis pick, but I think Thomas and kelly were good selections. Check out kelly's highlights and tell me he does not remind you of randy moss. I think he was worth the gamble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9W7nTi4JFQ

Posted by: DWC | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

When was the last Super Bowl Winner that was #1?? The Ravens and Bears.
That Pats werent even #1 or have great pass rusing in any of their championships.

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:33 PM

Pats were the #1 scoring defense in the NFL when they won their 1st super bowl. Tampa Bay won with a #1 D. The Ravens won with a #1 D. The Giants won because they held the Pats record-setting offense to 17 points, not because they outscored the pats in a shootout.

There has NEVER been a #1 offense that won a SB. Ever.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins play in the NFC East.

We will NOT have the good fortune of sneaking into the playoffs again, my friends.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:21 PM

What are the lottery numbers going to be tomorrow, since you know the future.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was asked by Sportsnet if the players they had on the "hot" list (on D and O line) were gone when the Skins picked and he replied that they were so they picked the best players available. He said there were still some good players left at the skill position and he hopes we can secure some of them tomorrow.

Cerrato, however, in his presser continued to say they will draft the best player available...he did laugh and say that it probably would not be a WR.

Posted by: Lisa | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

There has NEVER been a #1 offense that won a SB. Ever.

Posted by: | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM

Really? I seem to remember St. Louis winning a Super Bowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

the draft isn't about this year, it's about the future. our entire o-line is over 30. do you think we're going to be able to replace the entire o-line in one year's draft? this is a situation that needs to be taken care of this year, so it doesn't come back to bite us next year.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:15 PM

This year: 2008

OG (Draft)
Center (back up) (Draft)
develop Alexander
develop Hyer

Next year: 2009
RT or LT (Draft)
RT OR OG (Free Agency)

PROBLEM SOLVED!

I remind you this is our current OL

Samuels
Kendal
Rorbach
Thomas
Jansen

Alexander
Hyer
Fabinni
Wade
Pucillo

This is good line with decent depth. Yes it is getting old, but we cant just go grabbing any OL like a scared church mouse. How many slots do we have for OL?

Somebody has to score some gosh darn points in the Red Zone!!!

By the way, the West Coast Offense requires less of its OTs (i.e. short drops by QB) than the Gibb's system, so they will be easier to find in the future and we may be able to hold onto Samuels longer than once thought.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

AND ANOTHER THING....


the redskins suck at evaluating WRs to draft..

Look at their record, such as...

Gardner, T. Jacobs, D. Howard, M. Westbrook

Posted by: CORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak, i'll take that as a compliment from a poster who spews more nonsense than a random password generator....

Your beyond annoying and I even agree with you more than I don't...

Posted by: chris larrY | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Fred Thomas, meet Kenny Phillips.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 11:25 PM

Oh yeah....Kenny Phillips 6'2", 212....meet my new friend, Fred DAVIS 6'3", 255 (you might want to know who you are talking about before you write something). Kenny Phillips was not even the best safety in this draft. Fred Davis won the award for best tight end in college this year.

And yes, Asante Samuel can cover malcolm kelly, but who will cover, cooley, thomas, and moss?

And yes, Pacman jones (if he is not at the strip club) can cover Thomas, but who will cover cooley, moss and kelly?

Basically you made yourself look stupid. you highlighted the fact that those other NFC east teams have one great corner that won't be able to cover our numerous receiving options. Thanks.

Posted by: Drew | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or do we keep skipping back and forth from being a pass-first team to a run-first team? Yes, it's the coaching carousel, but it's also the way these guys coach:
Gibbs & Petitbon: Run
Norv & Terry: Pass
Schottenheimer: Run
Ball coach: Pass
Gibbs: Run
Zorn: Pass
(And don't try giving me that Air Coryell stuff; we used to run the hell out of the ball)

Posted by: Skins in the South | April 26, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Really? I seem to remember St. Louis winning a Super Bowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM

st. louis was the #1 offense in 2001, when they lost to the pats, the #1 scoring defense. they weren't the #1 offense in 1999, when they won the SB

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Lots of haters on here... I am happy they got 2 receivers and a TE. A DE would have been nice, sure, but we can get some tomorrow. I still can't believe we got the 2 best receivers in the draft!!! That's pretty amazing and gets rid of the lame trades for Chad Johnson, Roy W, and A. B.

Go Skins!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Really? I seem to remember St. Louis winning a Super Bowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM

st. louis was the #1 offense in 2001, when they lost to the pats, the #1 scoring defense. they weren't the #1 offense in 1999, when they won the SB

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:44 PM

Wow, you mean someone put up more yards and points than that offense that year? Who?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

BTW, we had a very good OLine under Gibbs 2.0 and we consistently scored less than 21 points a game. So I am up for a change in philosophy.

Posted by: JoeyV | April 26, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

AND ANOTHER THING....


the redskins suck at evaluating WRs to draft..

Look at their record, such as...

Gardner, T. Jacobs, D. Howard, M. Westbrook

Posted by: CORKCZAR | April 26, 2008 11:42 PM


All of those players were picked for four different offensive systems.

Marty picked Gardner
T. Jacobs _ Cerratto/Spurier
Howard _ Casserly/Gibbs
Westbrook _ Casserly/Norv

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys in Redskins nation surprised?

I gave up on this team years ago and before Snyder I would have thought that absolutely impossible. They are just senseless. Can we use all our picks and get a new owner/GM so I can get excited about this team again? LMAO

Look at the bright side. At least we don't have Chad "I punch my coach in the mouth" Johnson. That might have sent me over the edge. The only thing worse would be to re-sign Deion Sanders.

We do have good players on both lines if you believe we will have ZERO injuries. Bc if we do, it's back to signing practice squaders and that's just unacceptable. We potentially can go from very good to terrible in an instant!

Posted by: Rob P | April 26, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Um..Rams werent #1 in 99?
Uh, yes they were

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you mean someone put up more yards and points than that offense that year? Who?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:47 PM

no wait, i was wrong. they were #1. disregard my last post.

interesting tidbit, in that same year, the skins were #2 in both scoring and yards. who knew.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys in Redskins nation surprised?

I gave up on this team years ago and before Snyder I would have thought that absolutely impossible. They are just senseless. Can we use all our picks and get a new owner/GM so I can get excited about this team again? LMAO

Look at the bright side. At least we don't have Chad "I punch my coach in the mouth" Johnson. That might have sent me over the edge. The only thing worse would be to re-sign Deion Sanders.

We do have good players on both lines if you believe we will have ZERO injuries. Bc if we do, it's back to signing practice squaders and that's just unacceptable. We potentially can go from very good to terrible in an instant!

Posted by: Rob P | April 26, 2008 11:50 PM

If you gave up years ago then none of this should matter to you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

psps23-interesting tidbit, in that same year, the skins were #2 in both scoring and yards. who knew.

Even MORE interesting, Snyder became owner that year. THat was the Johnson/Westrbook and other..ahem..WR that I forget his name.

LOL

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's just be thankful no Cowboys fans showed up here in the comments so far..lol

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

That other wr would be Albert Connell

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to say some other Al/last name combo..thanks

Posted by: D | April 26, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I keep track from afar. I am just not foolish enough to invest myself emotionally with Snyder/Vinny running the show.

The Wiz don't get the money from Abe, but at least Abe finally had the sense to hire a first class GM. Now the Wiz make sense and will be competitive for years to come.

With the Skins, who the hell knows?

What? You telling me they make sense to you year to year? Different philosophies, salary cap disasters, puzzling drafts, poor treatment of fans etc etc....

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who has given up on the Skins needs to get his or her azz up 95 to hang out with the Baltimorons.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 27, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though....

This is all speculation...

How many of you picked the Giants to win the Super Bowl last year?

You know nothing.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 27, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though....

This is all speculation...

How many of you picked the Giants to win the Super Bowl last year?

You know nothing.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 27, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though....

This is all speculation...

How many of you picked the Giants to win the Super Bowl last year after the first two rounds of the 2007 draft?

You know nothing.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 27, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

If I'm C2, Moss or Randle El, I'm upset. It should be expected one WR gets picked. They all knew that. But two? That's taking away playing time for established vets. And Cooley, man.. you don't send a guy to the probowl one year and then go and draft someone at that same position high in the draft. That's wrong. TE depth is weak, sure, but wait until at least 3 or 4. Cooley is a good guy so I don't think he'll be upset, but.. I just hope Moss and Randle El can be team first about this.

Posted by: WhoDey?CooSay | April 27, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

yo jabby...

A. Lisa picked the Giants to win SB back last fall.

B. No SJK sherlock that its all speculation, as it is by the teams as well. Its sports, your suppossed to speculate...kinda part of the point/fun...

Posted by: chris larrY | April 27, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

D, I'm in Portland, "the other city" in the Pac NW. podspeak is also a Portlander. You coming out for the Skins-Seahawks game this fall? There should be a bunch of us there.

Registration/login will be back on sometime... knew it was going to be crazy up here when we reached the draft (and Real News) after the insane four months we've had since the playoff loss, but without registration it's extra crazy. Yee haw.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember the Capitals a couple of years ago BEFORE they blew up the team? All they did for many seasons was fill in the holes left by departing or aging players.

Those of you who think neglecting the O and D lines is a franchise ending catastrophe are not thinking. Filling holes where you are already mediocre does not help your team. It simply ensures that they stay mediocre.

You improve by building a better core of players. Everyone here forgets that if over the Gibbs II era the Skins would have averaged 7 more points a game, they would have won tons more games.

The Skins have had chronic scoring problem for a while now. This draft addressed that. Now they can spend the second day of the draft filling needs along the O and D line.

This fiction that the O line sucks is kind of hilarious. When healthy they are a very solid unit, albeit aging, but the best O line units are always made up of Veterans, it is a position that is learned.

Posted by: Ben | April 27, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember the Capitals a couple of years ago BEFORE they blew up the team? All they did for many seasons was fill in the holes left by departing or aging players.

Those of you who think neglecting the O and D lines is a franchise ending catastrophe are not thinking. Filling holes where you are already mediocre does not help your team. It simply ensures that they stay mediocre.

You improve by building a better core of players. Everyone here forgets that if over the Gibbs II era the Skins would have averaged 7 more points a game, they would have won tons more games.

The Skins have had chronic scoring problem for a while now. This draft addressed that. Now they can spend the second day of the draft filling needs along the O and D line.

This fiction that the O line sucks is kind of hilarious. When healthy they are a very solid unit, albeit aging, but the best O line units are always made up of Veterans, it is a position that is learned.

Posted by: Ben | April 27, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Also, is it just me or does Malcom Kelly look just like Brandon Lloyd? Go to the skins page and look at the pic attached to the article 'Davis, Kelly round out 2nd'.

Brandon Lloyd's twin brother. Hopefully Lloyd was the evil twin.

Posted by: WhoDey?CooSay | April 27, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

REDSKIN ONE, you may have mistaken "having no confidence whatsoever in the front office" with "having given up on the Skins." They're not the same.

I'd love to be proven wrong about the front office. LOVE IT. Just seems so... unlikely.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Hamster Nation es en fuego!

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 27, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Sorry chris larrY...

I guess my point is that there really is now way of knowing how this draft will look 3 years from now.

Moss and ARE are trade fodder in a couple of years, so if these receivers pan out, all the naysayers here are fools.

I just have to play devil's advocate to the majority here who think this draft so far is a bust. It's in my nature.

And I believe that you do take the best talent available at the pick you have, regardless of position.

Posted by: jabedoben | April 27, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

no worries jabby

Posted by: chris larrY | April 27, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

look, out of those 3 picks one of them will pan out and be a legit nfl player. that is probably a pretty decent outcome with the crap shoot that is the draft. out of the 2 wideouts, one of them will be a full time starter and possible stud. we were weak at TE and we needed another pass catcher. look at out O line guys that produce...any of them come in the first round besides jansen and samuels? how about the late round d and o line guys that are starters? your telling me that dan and vinny can not get another andre carter at their wim if they wanted?

Posted by: relax | April 27, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I have many beautiful shirts, but no pants.

I love beautiful shirts. Pants are less important, I believe. In a crowd you can get by with boxers. Who will notice?

Shirts--they create beauty . . . like fast receivers with the ball, running free.

Pants are like linemen--closer to the ground, ugly, covering up ugliness. Awful!

Give me the lovely shirts! And catch me if you can!

Posted by: Fashion by Vinny | April 27, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people on here talking about Campbell. I watched his combine highlight video on nfl.com and a few games and im sorry guys but this guy sucks!! That may be a bit harsh but he's not going to be good. I loved that they passed on this guy. He's so unathletic, he's going to get dominated at the next level. On top of that, he had a poor senior year. Good job by the skins here!

According to Jason's sources, theyve targeted some players on the Oline, Dline and secondary that are still on the board. They'll come out of this draft with some depth on both lines and maybe get a safety or corner.

We'll see.....

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

@ jabedoben

You are wrong! In basketball, yeah maybe you take the best talent bc that one exceptional talent can have an overwhelming impact - Chris Paul comes to mind. In football, you draft for your needs almost all the time. Sure there are occasional exceptions, but it should and is not the norm.

By your theory, why did we not draft Brian Brohm?

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I dont post too often. I mostly read the blogs and comment every now and then. But for the love of God, does anyone remember what Vinny said last year? Last year, Vinny said that he did not believe in taking linemen high in the draft. Now that he is truly our GM, did you expect him to change just because his title was changed? I didn't. Granted, the two WRs were overloads, especially since we could've used help elsewhere, but unless there was a STUD lineman available, I didn't have the Skins FO picking trenchmen. We have 3, 4, 6, and 7s to make picks, but you can't knock the man for sticking to what he said. He doesn't like taking linemen that high and he didnt. Look at pick 21. Atlanta REACHED for a lineman that they probably could've had at their own pick if they REALLY wanted him. I'm not defending the selections, just stating my thoughts. Yes we need depth in the trenches, but I have always been a fan of BPA unless there is a true starter that you need. Can someone name a true starter that was picked in lieu of these picks? Campbell wasn't it. You heard everyone saying that he took plays off. Grooves just reminds me off a younger and not as strong Daniels. Look at Clemons. He used to be ours and now is a very good end that we will have to see twice a year for the Eagles. Yes depth is good but look what happened last year to Heyer in Seattle. There are a few more rounds to go, so let's at least wait for a finished draft before we say the roof is on fire.

Posted by: Thoughts | April 27, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Funniest thing ever ... Zorn was amazed by the draft process as this was the first war draft room he has ever been a part of.

Posted by: RichinFrederick | April 27, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

"Most O-lineman in the league are drafted later rather than earlier,,,"

Actually, the good ones are taken in rounds one and two. The Steven Heyers (a.k.a. Lunch for Patrick Kearney) are taken in the later rounds or undrafted FA's.

What I do not trust about the people doing this draft is that they seem to have no confidence in their picks. Why else do you draft 3 receivers? They are playing the odds that one may be good enough to stick.

This makes you wonder what a Gregg Williams' regime would have picked--my guess would be defensive linemen and offensive linemen and a safety. I would bet at this time that we do not finish higher than 3rd in our own division, maybe fourth if Philadelphia drafted well.

In a way this is a CYA draft for Vinny. He is putting all the pressure for the next season on Zorn and the new offense. If Zorn fails Vinny can say to him "I gave you everything you asked for". Vinny could later say that of course we should have drafted linemen.

Posted by: Driley | April 27, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

i'll bet you $50 bucks most HOF OL werent 1st round picks

Posted by: D | April 27, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

@ Thoughts

Huh? I don't even know where to begin. Who cares what one of the worst GM's in football philosophies are? If he had a proven track record maybe, but he is TERRIBLE! I would feel better if he went against his own philosophies! LMAO

Remember when the Redskins contended every year? It was all about the lines, which is still true today. Then you can win with Mark Rypien, Timmy Smith, Smurfs and whomever else. How did the Giants win the SB? Their secondary sucked, but they had one of the best and deepest defensive lines in the league. Probably THE best D line. There wasn't even time to find an open receiver! The quality on our lines from first to second string goes from very good to marginally in the NFL.

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"This fiction that the O line sucks is kind of hilarious"

If the fact that we got stuffed on an awful lot of 3rd and ones and fourth and ones last year is a measurement of the quality of an offensive line, then I guess we really did suck.

Posted by: Driley | April 27, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

D,

I would bet that most Pro Bowl offensive linemen (especially tackles)were first or second roundn draft picks.

Posted by: Driley | April 27, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

At #21, the skins would've been picking the seventh OL, sixth DL, or 4th DB. The trade with the Falcons was surprising in that it was too late to grab a great OL/DL, but you could get top talent at almost every other position.
In that sense, it was smart to trade down. They apparently didn't have one WR evaluated significantly higher than another, so they were content with whichever they got.
I wonder who they would've taken if the trade had not happened?

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 27, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

@ Driley

Hilarious! I thought the exact same thing when I learned who we drafted. We don't need two big receivers, but it was as if we were hedging our bets. It seems to me the thinking was "at least one of these guys has to pan out". Hell of a way to run a draft don't you think?

Keep running that scramble drill with Campbell Zorn bc he may need those reactions down pat. Even healthy Jansen is now completely overrated for one. Remember Parcells comments? And the others although pretty good seem to be injury prone and they are all older for lineman. IMO, Samuels has also been overrated the last couple of years. He is making pro bowls by default only! When is the last time you said to yourself, it would be a crime if Samuels doesn't make the pro bowl even if he did somehow. Don't believe me, look at our yards per carry average. One of the worst in the NFL! We are also near the bottom in sacks.

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

@Nate

I'd love to be proven wrong about the front office. LOVE IT. Just seems so... unlikely.

-Nate in the PDX

Basically if they suck you will say you "called it" and if they are good you will kiss their butts. You are just like all those typical bandwagon fans. You talk a lot of BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

The haters on this blog disgust me.

Get a life morons.

Posted by: ian | April 27, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

You people are really stupid. You all keep mentioning OL and DL. Did you guys not see all the really good OL and DL players taken in the first round. The front office has to react to what is going on in the draft. They can't just pick an OL or DL because they need one.

It's like if you are driving home and you usually take this one route. but today there is a big hole in the middle of the road, are you gonna drive into it? No, you see it and react to it by finding a new route home. thats what the skins did. They saw that the original plan was screwed b/c so many of the stud OL and DL were taken, so they changed their strategy and went with receivers. I am sure if one of those lineman studs was still available, they would have drafted him. Why waste a high draft pick on a backup when you can have a starter? And dont give me BS that we need backups, b/c we can find them in the later rounds. There are still veteran Free agents out there too.

I mean, look what happened to us a couple of years ago. We went with need at CB and got carlos rogers. now he is not bad, but is he worth that high pick. We did not go with the BPA who was Shawne merriman and look what he has done in this league. Thats why we chose landry last year. And I know that all you haters prolly hated on that pick too....talking about how we should have gotten gaines adams or jamal anderson or some other DE. Well they pretty much sucked last year! Plus, with sean taylor dying, Landry ended up being a really valuable asset. So lets not get to hyped up about "needs." Becuase we all know, if dan snyder really wants something, he gets it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

@ anon 1:17

Why would you defend this front office? Why? Are you that blind of a fan? What historical results make you want to?

I agree with Nate. Hope all our picks are great and we win the SB, but there is no reason to believe that it will. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Well, believing in this same front office and expecting different results is CRAZY!

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

@ Rob P

I agree that his thought process sucks. I agree that the trenches are where you start. I played both OG and DT in my playing days so I truly know the meaning of the game being won and lost in the trenches. But at the same time, the man said he wasn't going to pick them so high and he didn't. I'm just saying he stuck to his story. Do I feel like he should've picked trenchmen, yes. Do I feel like we need better than what we have, yes. Do I feel like we can get a Dorsey in 3, 4, 6, or 7, no. Do I think there were trenchmen worthy of the picks we made, no. If so, this conversation would be about why we reached for those players instead of why did we take what we took. I will be glad if the rest of the picks turn out to be Blades/Montgomery type players but I will be upset if they turn out to be Hamden.....

My point was to only say that we should let them finish picking up the ingredients before we complain about what's for dinner..........

Posted by: Thoughts | April 27, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Seems as though Dan Snyder is drafting for an expansion team.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 27, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

LOL...love the haters comments.

What is the definition of a "hater"?

I LOVE the Redskin's but I really dislike Snyder/Vinny. Don't I have a reason too? Does that make me a hater? Aren't you tired of all the bs with this team in the Snyder era? All the ways Snyder has found to make an extra buck off the fans to include lawsuits as to whether you could cross certain roads as a fan so he could continue to get 20/25 bucks for parking? Come on...don't let your love of the team blind you!

All these things would be ignored with winning, but we're missing that as well. Oops....

Think Mr. Cooke would have signed Deion Sanders? No way...he would not even consider it - older or not. That's like the Cowboys signing Darrell Green. It's almost sacrilegious!

lol..why the hell is sacrilegious spelled that way? Shouldn't it be sacreligious? Just have not used that word maybe ever...lol.

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Did you see Zorn's comments?

He sounded like Wally Cleaver at his first fireworks show at the county fair.

I actually really liked getting Fred Davis, just felt like we could have done that at 51 and come away with a DE or an O linemen.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | April 27, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what to think at this point. And not really going to say anything original.
I see the logic of the picks in terms of BPA and if these guys work out as back-ups with one real starter it will be great.

I scratch my head because our early season struggles were so directly tied to the o-line being a patchwork quilt. I love Randy Thomas but the guy hasn't been able to give us his all since he went down at the end of 2007. Jansen and he are both injury prone at this point so the hogs are going to be shuttling in and out. I guess maybe there wasn't any o-line worth picking again BPA but I feel like we have to get a few bodies to find a potential anchor for the future.

Not sure what good these offensive weapons do us if Soups is scrambling around getting rushed all the time even with quicker West Coast.

On the other hand maybe this is the right path. Maybe it's not worth taking a risk on an o-line when there isn't one worth that high a pick. And I agree that if these guys pan out even a little our division rivals are going to be in some hot water matching up even with their upgrades.

Ah what the hell I raise my Kool Aid to an solid first day of the draft.

Salud!

Posted by: sfskin | April 27, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

@ Thought

Ok. I hear ya. I am only saying there is NO reason to give Snyder/Vinny the benefit of any doubt. I am not Mel Kiper so I am not a draft "expert", but neither is Vinny. Two big receivers? It's funny. Their not sure of either one, but if we get both someone will pan out. If we had no good wide receivers, then it would make some sense. But, we have Moss, Cooley, and El was not terrible. One of those picks could have been used on the best d lineman available.

Again, one of the worst YPC average and one of the worst teams in sacks and takeaways ( I do believe). That screams for lineman!

I do like the fact that we actually have a good number of picks this year and there has been many an article/report recently that suggests first rounders are overrated. I agree! Just look at our 2000 draft. Arrington and Samuels - neither were franchise altering and you have to pay them so much money. Arrington was pretty much a bust!

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

No quite getting why you all are so mad. I would have liked to have seen a d lineman picked, but sometimes best player works too. 2 wr and the top rated TE is bad to you? Remember that we had the #8 defense, and still ended up 9-7. that means the O wasn't up to par. I like Santana, but with the hammy issues, and the fact that our wideouts had so few TD catches, an upgrade was needed. Look who we had: Moss, ARE, and who else? Bug eyes is gone, McCardell was nice but old, Mix is a unknown, and Trash (I mean Thrash is a special teamer hiding as a WR. A new coach is bringin in a new offense, and he is getting new players. As for TE, what happens if Cooley had to miss a game or two? Yoder ain't that good people. O line was only an issue last year due to 2 starters getting knocked out for the yr and dockery being severely overpaid. We all agree that Dan S. ain't the best out there, but getting best player available is usually not a bad draft. Every sports site has us ranked as a good draft this year, but i guess you guys know better.
On another note, has everyone already gotten their HOF game tickets? Me and the gang from Charlotte, NC are rllin and would like to meet up. HAIL!!!

Posted by: dolemite | April 27, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

if the redskins wanted a big slow receiver who dominated college then Mike Williams was available. I am sorry but being a WR takes certain skills and runing a 4.6+ 40 is not one of the. I don't mind getting quality depth like davis, but Kelly will never make serious contributions. But hey only guys who know anything about football think having good lines on both sides of the ball are important. example Redskins vs Seahawks playoff game where we get no pressure and they have someone waiting in the back field for the ball to be snapped.

Posted by: big 12 | April 27, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

anonymous at 1:17am, let me break it down for you, dude: If the Redskins suck, I will be unhappy. If the Redskins are good, I will be happy. (In either case I will likely continue to post inane comments up here.) I suppose that makes me a hypocrite or a fair-weather fan in your eyes?

To further complicate things, if the Redskins have a prolonged run of success and become champions again, I will be ecstatic... and if that happens on this front office's watch, I'll also be astonished. Days like today, watching them make these head-scratching decisions... they make it awfully hard to trust them as the stewards of our beloved franchise. Let me repeat: WR-TE-WR.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

@ Nate

I totally with you man! Although, Mr. Kiper did just give us props for the draft. I guess that is something to consider, but everything draft related is not necessarily a science. I'm sure he had Brian Bosworth as the highest rated LB that particular year too! LOL

"As for TE, what happens if Cooley had to miss a game or two? Yoder ain't that good people. O line was only an issue last year due to 2 starters getting knocked out for the yr and dockery being severely overpaid." - Dolemite

What happens if anyone on either line misses a game or two or more, which has happened at an alarming rate? Practice squad guy? Dockery did not even play for us? Perhaps your just saying he left bc he got overpaid, not sure? Bottom line the NFL is really about both lines. Redskins fans of all people should realize this. We've won SB's with Rypien, Williams, and Theismann. Most of our RB's were not super and our receivers were not always great. I don't know about you, but those years the first thing that comes to my mind are the Hogs and Butz, Manely, and Mann.

The Giants did not have a great back nor great receivers nor a great secondary either!!!!!

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

On one hand you think that maybe all those guys we drafted today have 1st round grades, but then you think about how much Dan Snyder fancies the passing game and you wonder if the BPA/Board/Ten Commandments excuse is all a way to get people to buy into the fact that we now have 8 (nine or ten if you want to throw in Betts and Mix) players now that are suppose to be catching the football. Moss/ARE/Kelly/Thomas/Cooley/Davis/Sellers/Portis.

From a matchup standpoint its great. We are at a point where hypothetically no one can match up with us, but at the same time games are usually won in the trenches so if the offensive line struggles the team will have to put the guys on the field that can get open in 3 seconds or less.

Either way this is whole situation is a feast or famine type deal. Look for Josh Johnson to be the pick at 3-33

Posted by: RIV | April 27, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Most of our RB's were not super and our receivers were not always great. I don't know about you, but those years the first thing that comes to my mind are the Hogs and Butz, Manely, and Mann.

Line is important but line talent can be found anywhere in the draft. As for the Hogs, while May and Lachey were first rounders, Jacoby and Bostic were FAs. Grimm was a 3rd round, Schlereth was a 10th, Simmons a 6th and McKenzie an 11th. Manely was a 5th rounder and Mann a 3rd. While I was at first puzzled as to why they picked two WRs and a TE, in hindsight it makes sense if they were clearly better then the other options available. There is still time, and picks to get the line help needed.

Posted by: mbearden | April 27, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Okay,
This name really fits today. I understand the trade down from 21. It may have been a good move, since the players they wanted did just were not there, but trading brought the bad karma too. Clearly, it didn't work out assuming they were hoping to pick up Merling and Campbell in the process. I guess I'm not sure who to blame for it though, maybe the Tuna?

If we look back at last year it was the lack of points (offense) that really hurt, not the defense. So maybe, this draft is not a disaster...

but it isn't over yet.

Posted by: Stumped | April 27, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Zorn is a magician.
Is the play book ready yet?
(seriously)

Posted by: Stumped | April 27, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Rob P, I agree that the lines are where its at, but the fact is that watching us on offense the past few years was rough. the draft isn't over, and I really see us getting a lineman in the 3rd round, and a linebacker or safety in the 4th.
And my comment abut Cooley getting hurt was to make the point that our TE depth was suspect. Now we can stop calling Kowloski (not sure how to spell his name but you get the point) and other old guys during the season. And since I am here in Charlotte, the people here are really scratchin there heads about WTF the Panthers are doing.

Posted by: Dolemite | April 27, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Take another look at the games we won and lost in 2007, and how we won and lost those games.

Posted by: podspeak | April 26, 2008 10:49 PM

Yes, we lost most of them because our WRs couldn't make plays on 3rd down, our offense couldn't stay out on the field late in the games, and the defense got worn out again and again because of it. We lost to the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Buffalo, and how many others that way? With real wide receivers running routes downfield, you don't have 8-9 defenders in the box, so the running game works better. How many TDs did our WRs score in 2007? How many games did we lose by 7 points or less? Maybe you should run your mouth less and learn the game a little better. Until then, you're just another moron.

Posted by: STFU | April 27, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

I love the picks. If you except that it will take a few years to fill all the needs we have, then BPA is definately the way to go.
All of the stud OL/DL were already picked over.
The true brilliance of this draft will proove out in day 2.
Let's see if the front office can find some diamonds in the latter rounds.
Remember folks Tom Brady was a 6th rounder.
We shall see.

Posted by: sspiper | April 27, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

I had hoped the Redskins would draft Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Arizona got him at 16th pick in 1st round) because he trained with Darrell Green. Giving up some draft picks to get him would be great. I love the picks Redskins made.. and they make sense to me because the players they took were the best player available. I'm aware the Redskins were very interested in Malcolm Kelly and was not surprised when they took him with their last pick in the second round. I'm glad we took him because we didn't take him in our first 2 picks.. kind of embarrassing after going ga-ga over him. Funny, isn't it? Let's focus on the waiver wire at the last day of pre-season and we may pick up some great defensive and/or offensive linemen to help out. Experience is better than no experience. Especially in playoffs.

Posted by: RedCherokee | April 27, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

There has NEVER been a #1 offense that won a SB. Ever.

Posted by: | April 26, 2008 11:40 PM

Washington Redskins, 1991

Posted by: Nice Try | April 27, 2008 4:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm so sleepy.

Got up to take a leak and hadda check to see what Redskin Nation is thinking.

Did I menion I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: Corkczar | April 27, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

We've won SB's with Rypien, Williams, and Theismann. Most of our RB's were not super and our receivers were not always great.

Posted by: Rob P | April 27, 2008 2:38 AM

Monk? Clark? Sanders? Any of these names ring any bells with you?

Posted by: Clint Didier | April 27, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

It's the Davis pick that eats me up inside.

You've got Campbell and Davis on the board and we pick a dude that will probably catch 20 balls all year.

I know the draft isn't over, but the D is a big question mark now. Rocky and Rogers out 'til who-knows-when, Washington is always hurt and Reed Doughty is our starting S!

It's April and I'm already pounding the Maalox.

Posted by: Jim | April 27, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Er, I meant Campbell and Groves

Posted by: Jim | April 27, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Read and analyzed a lot on the Web. I too was a bit unsettled with the selections of TE Davis and WR Kelly, but now I see exactly what Cerrato and the crew are doing.

The weakest area of the Skins for the last 4 years has been the passing game ... no true balance on offense. It was effectively taken care of with the first 3 picks. You must have multiple WRs and TEs for the West Coast offense that Zorn will run. All 3 guys selected in the 2nd round were arguably 1st round talents. Check out how the draft expert on CNNSI.com broke down the Skins 3 2nd round picks:

Devin Thomas (#34)
The Redskins strike it big by moving back and still picking up the dynamic receiver they coveted. Devin Thomas was considered the top receiver in the draft by several teams, and adding his explosive skills to the Redskins' lineup should improve their passing game. Thomas should compete for playing time immediately as the Redskins' third receiver, and could supplant Antwaan Randle-El as the split end in Jim Zorn's new offense.

Fred Davis (#48)
The Redskins land arguably the most complete tight end in the draft. Fred Davis was regarded by most scouts as the top tight end, and pairing him with Chris Cooley gives the Redskins a formidable tandem at the position. The Redskins have done a nice job of upgrading their passing game with their first few picks of the day.

Malcolm Kelly (#51)
The Redskins continue their terrific draft by picking up another prospect that carried a first round grade for most of the season. Malcolm Kelly adds size, playmaking and toughness to the Redskins, and gives Jim Zorn all the ingredients to implement more four-receiver sets next season. Much has been made of Kelly's speed deficiencies, but he is an ideal slot receiver in the Redskins' zebra and eagle packages.

Several draft experts including this guy from CNNSI.com and Mel Kiper speak of the Skins Day 1 picks in glowing terms.

Obviously this is an incomplete story ... let's analyze again in 24 hours! But there are plenty of gems to be found in Rds 3-7 that we fans likely have no clue about. Let's chill for a second and give GM Cerrato and the personnel dept a chance to complete their mission on Day 2. All in all though, I like what the Skins are doing!

Posted by: gilk | April 27, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, I guess our last six picks will be 4 defensive linemen and two offensive linemen!

Posted by: charlie | April 27, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were ecstatic when many of the players the team had targeted at No. 21 were still available.

"As it worked out, the same guys that we were considering at No, 21 were the same guys that were there at No. 34, minus [Clemson defensive end] Phillip Merling," Cerrato said.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35366

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Okay lets start with the obvious, sure the redskins could have made better draft decisions. But I dont know why we expected anything different. This is so Snyder typical, I can see him now in that war room "ooh ooh I want him too" 2 WRs and a TE. I would have been fine with a WR,TE, and a DL or OL but 3 reciever types with the first 3 picks (3 second round picks). Kudos on trading down, grade F when it came to executing. Their calculations were wrong when it came to Merling and Campbell. But instead of trying to get value for the last second round pick they draft Kelly- character issues, 2 bad knees, and a slow 40 yard dash. Oh yeah and lets not forget who was behind this Snyder and Cerrato who tried to ease the concerns of the fans saying that they drafted the highest players on the board, when there actually wasnt that big of a dropoff in talent that we could have filled elsewhere. Lets have a history lesson for a minute. This is the same owner that tried to impose his will on the affairs of the players and coaches when Gibbs was HC. Gibbs bowed out in the off season respectively now lets look at the coaching candidates: Mariucci, Williams, Spagnoula, and Fassel. What do these coaches have in common, their own identity. These coaches wouldnt allow Snyder to use them like puppets. Not compelling, Wouldnt Greg Blache be more of a candidate for head coach knowing his years and experience with the team. but wait a minute he is known as hard knocks and a disciplinarian one that wouldnt allow Snyder to run over him. So that leads to Jim Zorn former QB coach/previous OC coordinator/promoted HC (Snyders gigapet) which was a calculated move by Snyder and Cerrato. Zorn 5 year deal= 5 years of a Snyder tyranny and bad moves for the organization. Its just begun brace yourselves!

Posted by: Riot905 | April 27, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

All things being equal, it should be fun seeing Moss (4.3) and Thomas (4.4) going deep down the sidelines at the same time as Cooley goes deep down the middle and Kelly runs an out pattern. That should free up the running and passing lanes nicely.

If JC can't complete tons of passes and move the offense at will in 2008 , he'll probably be somewhere else in 2009.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Kelly's speed is only about the same as Jerry Rice. Kelly probably has no chance of ever breaking free and catching a pass in the NFL. Maybe he can hang out on the practice squad for a few years. He can work at getting up to nickel CB speed there, since that is who will be covering him most of the time if Moss and Thomas are also on the field.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

"We have been following our board," executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. "When we were at 48, our highest-rated guy still with a first-round grade was Fred Davis. We have always followed the board.

"Then, Malcolm Kelly was the only guy still on the board with a first-round grade. He stuck out like a sore thumb, so it was an obvious choice for us."

The Redskins had worked out Kelly last Thursday.

"We know him," Cerrato said. "We know what he can do. We were very comfortable in following the board and getting value for the picks."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35359

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato lied to us all to justify what they did there was talent to be had in other positions. I would have felt better about Limas Sweed over Malcolm Kelly

Posted by: Riot905 | April 27, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Players we wouldn't mind seeing drafted by the Redskins on Sunday:

3rd Round (Compensatory): Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky

4th Round: Oniel Cousins, OT, UTEP

5th Round: Traded to Atlanta

6th Round: Drew Miller, C/OG, Florida

7th Round: Dowayne Davis, SS, Syracuse

7th (Compensatory): Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State

7th (Compensatory): Ken DeBauche, P, Wisconsin

Other Players we still like:

Chris Ellis, DE, Va Tech (3rd)
Erin Henderson, OLB, Maryland (3)
Xavier Adibi, OLB, Va Tech (3)
Jeremy Zuttah, OG, Rutgers (3/4)
Donald Thomas, G, U.Conn (4)
Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego (4)
Kendall Langford, DE/DT, Hampton (4)
Kevin O'Connell, QB, San Diego State (4)
Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech (6)
Jonathan Zenon, CB, LSU (6)

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Based on Cerrato's comments, it appears that the Redskins scouting and coaching groups gave Kelly a higher grade than they gave Sweed. It's an inexact science, so there will be some variation in grades from one team to another. However, it seems obvious that the Redskins had Kelly rated higher than Sweed, since both were available when the Redskins made their final pick in the 2nd round.

It's just the way things work sometimes.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 27, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Get over the gloom and doom predictions. None of us know how this is going to turn out. But remember the last couple seasons. How often did the Redskins have their top 2 receivers on the field at the same time? How often when they were on the field were they actually healthy and truly productive? Do you really feel comfortable running a west coast offense and relying on the ever felling hamstrings of Moss and Antwaan Randle-El? Lets see what happens the second day. They have actual done pretty well developing an adequate lineman on each side of the ball lately. Perhaps they see more left on the board to fill those needs in upcoming rounds.

Hail to the Redskins

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Of course they were the highest rated guys on their board--that's all that's on their board is receivers. Of course Campbell won't have time to get them the ball if there's an injury on the offensive line, AGAIN. Of course, the offense may never get on the field with a thin defensive line and marginal defensive backfield. Thomas was a good pick and I'm not criticizing the TE, even though it wasn't a need, this guy can play wideout and create some very favorable match-ups, but that last pick was ridiculous with so many needs. I don't want to here it, Dinny (Dan & Vinny). You got the best receiver in the draft to fill a need, got a bonus (in your humble opinions) with Davis (I didn't see him going in the first rd in any mock drafts), now get a DB, DL, OL, with your 2nd rounder. You should've take Merling at 21, a receiver with your #2 and the best DB and OL in the 3rd. I know it was just too spooky to take the safety outta Miami in the first round. Oh well, need to find something else to do on Sunday's in the fall because watching this team is really not an option. Use those 3-7th rounders wisely (lol).

Posted by: Done with 'em | April 27, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Gotta assume that one of the WR picks is trade bait for a veteran WR.

Posted by: SCSkins | April 27, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I figure it's not worth reading these 500+ comments because I have a feeling most people are unhappy with the skins picks.

Me? I am very much happy. We def needed a #2 TE and I kinda like Kelly. I don't know enough about Thomas yet.

If you guys haven't noticed we got to able BAck UP Tackles in Wade and Heyer. And we still got 6 picks left. We can still get alot of value today in need positions.

JLaC will always not understand what this FO is doing cause they are doing them.

'You just do you, I'm a do me' properly fits the 1st day......

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Also, have you watched Seatlle play over the last 2 years?

They run alot of 4 receiversets as well. Now we have 4 receivers who can get outthere......

O, and James Thrash, the core redskin days may be numbered.....

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I think people are overreacting. WR was clearly THE major need on this team. Santana is fine, but ARE is best used as a gimmick or slot guy. If you carry 5 WRs on the game day roster, it would now project to Moss, Thomas, Randel-El, Kelly, Thrash. Sounds a lot better to me.

Keep in mind that without seeing Zorn's offense on the field it is hard to assess the picks. They now have another downfield threat at TE to complement Cooley and, eventually, make teams think twice about how often they will double-team or bracket Cooley.

DE would have been a good place to go, but look who was available when they picked. They liked Merling, but he went two picks before them. The collective judgement of the experts is that Calais Campbell is a waste of space. You don't draft a 4th round talent just because he is a DE. Any DE on the board after Merling probably does not project to a first year starter anyway (Carter is coming into hi own and assuming Daniels is healthy he is a very serviceable vet).

I'm betting they go DL and OL (in that order of priority) today, with a good chance that they package some of their late-round picks to get a second 3rd round selection. DT Dre Moore out of MD looks pretty good and thats what Blache says he needs.

This is a very good draft so far guys.

Posted by: Mike H. | April 27, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

WTF? I could see getting a bigger recv'r & you could "possibly" talk me into the TE b/c having 2 legit TE as threats down the field is big (I would not have went TE here).... but no way do you spend ALL 3 2ND ROUND PICS ?!?!?! on recievers. They HAVE TO HAVE a young DE, interor OL, and CB to contribute just to start the season... good free agents are gone and 2nd rounders are immediate impact players if you scout well. No way they should have not taken a Lineman or Defensive player.

Cerrato said they are taking the best player available no matter what. I hope he is talking out his *ss and insulting the fans and medias intelegence b/c none of the succesful teams really do that. You take the best player who fills a need... period. Why didn't Cerrato & Zorn take a QB or RB then .... ? Give me a break. I hope to god they find a good lineman with their "1" 3RD round pick... after the 3rd round you have to be really good or really lucky.... we are rarely either.

Posted by: cw price | April 27, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

So who did you see on the board with our last 3rd round pick that would have played over one of our current OL or DL starters. The answer is none. even after drafting Thomas, WR was still a need on this team (were we going to run 4 WR sets of Moss, Thomas, Randel-El, and THRASH?-I love Thrash, but he is not a receiver anymore).

Their first three picks project to IMMEDIATE starters on this team. How often have you been able to say that?

Posted by: Mike H. | April 27, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

You forgot about MAthis. He'll prob battle for a spot against Thrash as the special teams guy....

Good chance Thrash would be cut...

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

There still is another day of draft with several more picks for the Skins.... I think that the Skins will be ok...and there is still the free Agent market as well... so I'm not really worried...I think that the Skins will come out of the draft ok.

Posted by: John Waller III | April 27, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Our Take: Draft Day One
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Apr 26, 2008

Here is rundown of the Redskins draft picks and our take on them:

Devin Thomas

The good: Thomas fits what the Redskins need; he's coming off a very productive year at Michigan State. He's fast, has good hands and isn't afraid to go over the middle. The only time he struggled this year, at all, was in the bowl game when he had problems with kickoffs. But he's considered an explosive returner so he can help there too if need be. We didn't hear anything bad about Thomas in terms of character, always a good sign.

The bad: He only put up big numbers for one year. Does that matter? A new offense last year certainly helped him. He's still considered raw, which means there will be an adjustment period.

The verdict: Thomas is a good choice because he can help in the return game as well as at receiver. He has a high ceiling and was productive. You have to wonder about James Thrash, because of Thomas' ability to return kicks.

Fred Davis

The good: He looks the part and has wonderful hands, despite a poor combine showing. Davis moves well, partly because he used to play wide receiver. He did not look stiff and is capable of athletic catches. He caught 62 passes this past season after grabbing 38 as a junior.

The bad: When we asked one talent evaluator who they would avoid because of character concerns, Davis was on the list. This person had questions about who he hung around. Others, too, have questioned his maturity and focus.

The verdict: There's a major if when it comes to Davis. He could be a real good player ... if he's focused on football. If that's the case, then the Redskins could have landed another good offensive player.

Malcolm Kelly

The good: At 6-foot-3, 219 pounds he has the size to excel in this offense - or any offense for that matter. He's willing to go over the middle and adjusts well to the ball. In his last two seasons, Kelly caught a combined 111 passes with 19 touchdowns. He's also considered a good blocker. He gets a good burst off the line.

The bad: Like Davis, there are concerns about his mindset. He apparently showed up overweight at the Combine, not a good sign. And he is not a burner, though one former scout said nobody worried about his speed anyway; he's not someone who will run by players. Some have questioned his work ethic, though Vinny Cerrato is tight with Oklahoma's strength coach who raved about him to Cerrato.

The verdict: Another high-ceiling hit-or-miss pick. The Redskins can't take too many such players because it leads to combustibility. Kelly will challenge for the No. 3 job and because of his size will have the ability to contribute immediately.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/750117.html

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | April 27, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the other thing people are forgetting is that there are always quality depth guys available after June cuts, so if needed they can bolster the lines there. They should focus on continuing to develop Montgomery, Golston, and Heyer.

Posted by: Mike H. | April 27, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I quess this is what happens when you promote the QB coach to head coach! Thank God he wasn't a special teams coach, we'd would've drafted 2 kickers and a wedge buster....wow I'll reserve final judgement once the draft dust settles - so far....YIKES!

Posted by: k2f | April 27, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

These picks are going to look pretty good when Santana's and ARE hammies act up, or God forbid CC gets dinged. In a 3 WR set, Thomas/ Kelly is an obvious starter, and the ENTIRE reciving core has been significantly updgraded. 4 wide is now reality. Thrash doesn't scare any body, and it looks as if his days as a Redskin are numbered.

People freaking about O line help in the 2nd are silly.... odds are that 2/5 of the line won't go down in the first two weeks this year, and they already have quality starters and backups as well as a young project with raw talent, Heyer...Yeah Stephon got his ass kicked in Seattle by Kearney, but is their shame in that?? PK is a Freak Stud. One bad game does not condemn him to the scrap heap.

Redskins have now assembled the reciever talent to run the offense JZ wants to run. Look for them to take a DT and safety in the early rounds today...where the value for those positions is in this draft once all the real studs at DT came off the board before they picked.

I'm obviously in the minority up here, but I like the moves and the way they have conducted the off season to date. They didn't chase over the hill Free Agents, overpay for the same or in trades, or give away the farm to land Gold Teeth. For me, THAT is a refreshing change in and of iteslf.

Posted by: SkinsfaninBahrain | April 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

last night, i was fuming before i went to bed. I couldnt understand what they were doing. But after sleeping on it, i kindo understand where this is going. Think hard about this. Now we will be able to spread the field with 4 wide recievers, and they wont be able to match up. They will have to put 6 defensive backs on the field, and that gives portis a ton of running room. nobody has talked what this will do to moss. He wont see double coverage for the rest of his life. He is gonig to catch fire this year, he's sitting in his living room slaivating after watching the draft

Posted by: riggo drill | April 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

All the stuff I have read grades the Skins as having a good 1st day of the draft. I never would have imagined people being this upset about passing on the likes of Calais Campbell and Quentin Groves. Are they the next coming of Julius Peppers or something? We have a late 3rd and early 4th that will hopefully be used for some line depth. I for one am excited to see what this new offense can do with all these weapons after watching years of begging to be able to get 20 points.

Posted by: cdubb | April 27, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to Washington, however, for landing both Thomas (34th) and Kelly (51st) in the second round. The Redskins wanted some big receivers after going for small guys in recent years, and they got two of this draft's better prospects in that department.

Posted by: Don Banks @ CNNSI | April 27, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

cdubb - I don't think they are taking the Gibbs 2.0 approach any more, which was keep it close and win at the end......

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

My current mindset ... two rounds, three guys. That sounds pretty good.

Also, guys bumming today: Thrash; Rock; Yoder; Tyler Ecker; Anthony Mix; Billy McMullen; Maurice Mann.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

And they're off ... I say Dolphins go for best WR available ...

Also, big blog welcome to new poster named "D" ... I have a feeling this one is hooked.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

NFL Draft: Day Two Best Available Prospects

http://was.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=2&c=750182

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | April 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Dolphins trade with Lions ... and given old habits, I'm saying Lions with a WR.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

4th, I see 6-7 guys (of those 30) I'd love in this round ... LBs, CBs, OG(!).

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

C'mon people...

Calais Campbell, Phillip "sports hernia" Merling????

This is why they don't have fans in th draft room. Golston, Montgomery, and Wilson were 6th and 7th round picks. Heyer was an undrafted free agent.

Let the whole thing play out first...

Posted by: sicwidit | April 27, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you guys ... punter!

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

boooooo ... new Dolphin, Kendall Langford was the next DE on my list.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

This round is already flying ... and the fabled Godfrey (second round talent CB) snapped up ... I might not be able to watch this round. [The suspense is killing me ... I hope it keeps up ...]

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I dont think its that bad of a move. I would be surprised if randle el was on the move. Thomas avged 29 yds per return last year and he could be moving into replacing ARE. That way we will have three solid wideouts, maybe get some o line depth in reture for randle el

Posted by: riggo-drill | April 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

1) How many passing touchdowns to receivers did we score last year?

2) How many fades were caught for touchdowns?

Posted by: sicwidit | April 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Whew! Falcons get LSU corner, first name "Chevis" ... never heard of him. Also, good for the Lions to get that RB out of Central Florida who ran for a million yards. Too bad we play the Lions this year ... too good that they did not pick an unconcussed QB.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

When do we pick? I'm lazy.......

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I looked on the ESPN sight. We are not the big losers (KC made out big time IMO)
. Also when I see who got picked after our guys you can make an argument we got BAP. Also there were not stand out OL at 21 (Phillip Merling might have made a good DT DE for us). No stand outs at Line because Miami guy is not a pass rusher. One Ok OL guy drafted.

Only way this is a good move is if we think 2-3 years from now. That might be what the FO is thinking - if they think.

Given this situation they should trade Moss (low cap hit) for a 2nd and 4th rounder or a young OG.

No 85 for sure (so that is what they will do) in two years no WR no OL no DL.

Posted by: mul | April 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The hilarious part about the Ravens' third round pick, Tavares Gooden, is how they acquired the pick ... they got it from the Jags, who got it from the Bills, who got it from ... the Ravens!

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

4th, we get the first compensatory pick in this round.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh the pain ... Bills get Chris Ellis, DE from Va. Tech ... actually, I dunno anything about him, maybe he wouldn't be the Daniels replacement we need.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

This is taking forever to reload. Someone wake up corkczar to get him to post ... so that we get a new thread.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

We don't have a reg 3rd round pick or did we trade that away?

Posted by: 4th | April 27, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Booo, Panthers get Dan Connor ... our possibility for all-purpose OLB to either replace Marcus and, in the meantime, spell Rocky. Actually, Connor is the guy I wish the SKins would have gotten instead of Malcolm Kelly. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Nuts.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

4th - we traded our 3rd and 5th in the deal with Atlanta. In addition to the 2nd rounders we got their 4th. So we are picking somewhere around 95 (compensation pick) and 102 (atlanta).

Posted by: cdubb | April 27, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

beep beep.

4th, the trade with the Falcons involved giving up the 3rd round pick and the 5th, in order to get their two 2nd round picks and their 4th.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me that anyone could possibly agree with using their 1st 3 picks for WR/TE, when there's such a need at OL/DL (coupled with good depth at TE).

Don't feed me with that crap that they're taking the top-rated players, vs. need.

First of all, you can't say that Kelly or Davis are clear-cut better players than other D players on the board at the time. Not 'apples to apples'.

For that matter, Devin Thomas isn't a proven college player (1 yr outside of Juco), so he's anything but a sure thing.

Secondly, teams win Superbowls with their line play. Period.

If you doubt this, look no further than the history of the Skins.

DL was a BIG weakness last year (and who had the strongest DL? and who won the S-Bowl?).

And you can NEVER have enough depth at OL, especially with young receiver.

Understanding the top OL pix were off the board, still not sure how you pass on other top-rated DL, LB...or Corner for that matter (another gaping need).

Vinnie is crap. Snyder's bad for the skins. Best news possible would be him selling the team.

Posted by: vinniegoaway | April 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Man, people are freaking out after 3 pretty good picks in my opinion. With them, we've given JC some pretty good weapons now, considering Thomas and Kelly were considered as high as 1st-round picks, they were steals.

Considering we still have 6 picks left in the draft, there' still plenty of time to shore up our O and D Lines as well as our Secondary. People just need to relax, let Zorn and Co. do their job, then make our judgements later.

Posted by: Doug | April 27, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Only draft geeks would pretend to know who the skins should pick. The reality is that the unheralded picks fare way better than the combine champions who make draft geeks tingle.

Fact is nobody knows how this will turn out and won't for several years.

I'm glad Vinny is making the picks instead of the fantasy or draft geek crowd.

John

Posted by: Johnny redskins | April 27, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone--'draft geeks' included--only have to look at Vinnie's track record to see that he's done nothing to help the franchise.

Blame Snyder for that. Cerrato MUST have something on Snyder to get re-hired after getting canned by Schott.

And he's kept his job likely because he's Snyder's puppet, letting the rich punk continue to 'play nfl' like a kid with army men behind the guise of an 'expert'.

You don't have to be a 'geek' to know some facts:
- the game is won or lost in the trenches
- the skins have no legitimate pass rush
- they have an old, injured OL with unproven depth
- they have little depth and lack top talent at CB

The picks they made are solid talents (exception being Kelly as a big "?" for that high).

BUT, they have bigger needs, and the talent on the board for those needs was/ is definitive.

Posted by: vinniegoaway | April 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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