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Posted at 6:54 PM ET, 01/ 6/2011

Police investigating night club incident involving Fred Davis

By Paul Duggan

Police are investigating an altercation in a D.C. nightclub early Thursday in which Redskins tight end Fred Davis and a Baltimore woman allegedly threw drinks in each other's faces. The incident occurred about 1 a.m. in Josephine, a dance club at Vermont and L streets NW, and the woman, who told authorities she is an "NFL consultant," suffered a cut lip in the commotion, a police report says. No charges have been filed.

Davis, 24, who could not be located for comment, is not named in the report, but the Redskins acknowledged that his behavior at the club is the focus of a police inquiry. "We are attempting to gather all the facts and will defer comment until that process is complete," the team said in a statement. The woman, Makini R. Chaka, 31, also declined to comment, except to confirm that the incident involved Davis.

The report, which identifies Davis only as "S1," (short for "suspect") says Chaka told police that she threw a drink in S1's face after he grabbed her wrist and used an obscenity. Minutes later, S1 threw a drink in her face on the dance floor, she told police. Security video shows that Chaka "attempted to go after S1" but was "prevented by people between them," one of whom "elbowed" her by accident, cutting her lip, the report says.

By Paul Duggan  | January 6, 2011; 6:54 PM ET
Categories:  Fred Davis  
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At least the dude didn't get in no fights with no teammates outside the club.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

That's why guys like Devlin and Ponder and the Mizzou kid (I don't know him) are also of 2nd round interest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 5:04 PM |

FYI - Scots Inc's McShave has the Mizzou kid, Blame Gobbler, in his top five jive.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Another ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Two in two days? Gosh you folks are lucky. Got one more after this, when I grade my season preview and my alternate 2010 personnel plan. Let’s just say I only nailed one of them.

But for now, we’re all jazzed about the real season -- the offseason. A lot of turnover is anticipated, and so I’m going to take a look at changing jobs. What has it meant to join and leave the burgundy and gold? The recent RI post on Justin Tryon sets this up perfectly.

With any job change, probably the #1 question is: will this change make my life better?

NFL players have short careers, so there are only a limited number of opportunities for talented players to switch teams (not so good players switch all the time).

The list of guys who came to DC, collected some nice paychecks, and left is pretty long. But more than a few guys left DC with their careers in such a bad place that whatever extra $$ Danny threw at them, they lost a bunch on the following contract and will net out with less $$ overall.

The 2 highest paid guys on this team, Donovan and Albert, will both need new contracts. Neither is going to get paid anywhere close to what they might have gotten had they succeeded in DC. Shanahan seemed to go out of his way to embarrass both. One deserved it, the other didn’t. Top notch players have been warned about what can happen in DC.

But it is more than the soap opera involving high profile players. There are several solid players that have seen also their market value drop – through little or no fault of their own.

The staff made plenty of errors impacting careers. Clinton Portis returned too soon from an injury and likely ended his Skins career on IR. Jeremy Jarmon was asked to put on 20 lbs post knee surgery and didn’t do much. Fred Davis had his 2010 numbers cut in half.

Andre Carter, top 10 in sacks and among the leading DEs in tackles in 2009, was asked to play a new spot. He wasn’t very good. Lorenzo Alexander, new spot, not very good. Kedric Golston, new spot, not very good. Rocky McIntosh, new spot, less effective. Of all the team’s players, one stands out with HOF potential: Brian Orakpo. Even Orakpo’s output declined. He had 3 fewer sacks than he did in ’09, didn’t make the Pro Bowl and was wasted every time he went into pass coverage, right up until he got injured -- in pass coverage.

Sure, there are guys that Shanahan gave an opportunity – and a few did something with it. Lichtensteiger, Banks, KWilliams, Torain and Armstrong among others. But are these the sort of guys Shanahan needs to attract in the offseason?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 2

The list of guys that have left DC and are enjoying greater professional success is significant. Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, Leigh Torrance and Gregg Williams all won rings. Shaun Suisham, Jason Taylor, Justin Tryon, Randle El and even Jim Zorn are all part of playoff teams this year. Brandon Lloyd had a Pro Bowl year in Denver, Campbell and Cartwright were part of a solid turnaround in OAK. Truth is, lots of guys fare better when they leave DC. Several guys had to, in effect, resurrect their careers. McNabb and Carter are two class acts who had superb years in 2009. They spent 2010 with Shanahan and now they’ll both need to resurrect their careers in 2011 -- for a lot less money.

One guy in particular demonstrates how costly it can be to be a Redskin: Jason Campbell. He was the 18th rated passer this year. One spot ahead of him, eli manning. One spot behind him, Carson Palmer. Both Palmer and eli average about $15mi/yr under their current deals. Campbell’s contract averages about a quarter of that, just under $4mil/yr. Combined records of eli and Palmer’s teams: 14-18. Campbell: 8-8. By my quick count, at least 8 guys with lesser ratings than Campbell made more than he did; in many cases, a lot more.

There are lots of unknowns in 2011, with the bargaining agreement unsettled. Estimates say there will be about 400 free agents in 2011. The Skins have more holes and less high draft picks than most teams, so free agency looks like the shortest path to rebuilding. Unfortunately, this team has historically done a poor job of identifying outside talent. Shanahan didn’t change that reputation with the McNabb bust. Other veterans Shanny brought in were a very mixed bag (JBrown, Hicks, Holliday, Carriker, Kemoeatu, LJohnson, Buchanan, etc).

Danny will pay. But who would want to come to this circus? Does Vincent Jackson or Logan Mankins or Sidney Rice or Larry Fitzgerald want to take the risk of becoming the guy that gets blamed if Kyle Shanahan messes up? They will all have better options. Players that might have considered DC under different circumstances will realize that playing for Shanahan is too risky, with not enough reward.

Every player wants both money and success. It goes beyond the soap opera stuff. The stark reality is that DC just isn’t a good place to play. Even the players that are interested in that nice burgundy and gold paycheck with Dan Snyder’s signature at the bottom now realize they need to be careful. Time after time, that paycheck has been fool’s gold.

And that is a wrap on this edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Horse of the Year finalists announced

What I wants to know is who are the finalists for Horse's Ass of the Year? Any posters from RI? I know, I know, some witty poster is going to say I am the leading candidate. Hah hah hah.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love the accidental elbow!

Posted by: last1 | January 6, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:10 PM |

Dude - with a steamer like that you could be one of the finalists.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

So far, the fix isn't in

Quarterback of future simply is not present

The question was solved Easter night last April. The Redskins shipped draft picks to Philadelphia and received their quarterback of the next few seasons in return, and Donovan McNabb's new teammates celebrated their good fortune.

Life would be good.

Unless it didn't work out.

Which it did not.

So one year into Mike Shanahan's regime, the most important question still hasn't been answered: Who is the Redskins' quarterback, now and in the future? The McNabb era is expected to end this offseason after a 13-game run produced more statements by his agent than playoff games.

"Shanahan hasn't done what he needed to do, which is get the quarterback position stabilized," one NFL executive said.

The Redskins focused on other aspects of their offense when evaluating the season. The line play improved late in the season, the understanding of the offense grew in general and the running game showed promise.

"We made a lot of progress," coordinator Kyle Shanahan said.

But quarterbacks power offenses, and the Redskins have uncertainty at this position.

They will try to trade McNabb, who signed an extension in November that could cost another team approximately $15 million next season. To increase McNabb's value, he would have to be willing to restructure his contract. If he does, then the Redskins might be able to get a fourth-round pick in return, one NFL executive said.

The good news for Washington is that there aren't many attractive options for other teams, so McNabb might be in more demand. The bad news is the Redskins also need a quarterback and there aren't many attractive options.

There's Rex Grossman, who said Monday, "I feel I have another level I can reach, and I believe they think so, too. I'm coming into the prime of my career."

But did Grossman prove in his three starts -- seven touchdowns, seven turnovers -- that others should share that opinion?

"He's a bullpen guy," an NFL source said.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The woman told authorities she is an "NFL consultant." We can only imagine what that is a euphemism for.

Seriously though, if he grabbed her first, than he got what he deserved. But if he didn't, she has no business throwing a drink in his face. That is a minor form of assault, regardless of a persons sex. T.V. sitcoms make that scenario out to be funny, but it really isn't. There is nothing funny about having a drink thrown in your face.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 6, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

cont

Michael Vick is a free agent, but it's hard to imagine him leaving Philadelphia. Matt Hasselbeck is 35 and has 34 touchdowns to 44 interceptions the past three years combined. Baltimore's Marc Bulger is 33, but in his last 35 starts with St. Louis he threw 26 touchdowns to 34 interceptions. If nothing else, former Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett can offer a good scouting report on Bulger.

Denver reportedly wants to trade Kyle Orton, but he's now on a second team (along with Chicago) that has deemed him as not being the answer, partly because of injuries.

Which leads the Redskins to the draft, where they pick 10th overall. The problem is, three quarterbacks -- Stanford's Andrew Luck, Auburn's Cam Newton and Washington's Jake Locker -- could be gone before the Redskins choose.

The executive called the athletic but inconsistent Locker a good fit with Shanahan. He compared him to Detroit's Matthew Stafford but more athletic.

"That's his prototype," he said. "He can win with

John Keim

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

From Family Guy:

Peter: Hey Stewie! (slaps him on butt)

Stewie: Ahh you horse's ass!

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:10 PM |

Dude - with a steamer like that you could be one of the finalists.

Posted by: LibertyValence

Absolutely!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing funny about having a drink thrown in your face.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 6, 2011 7:18 PM |

Some would actually like it if their mouth were open and said drink were on target. You may have to wipe a little off but it sure beats paying $15 for a little Ketel One.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

How come no one has mentioned the Skins drafting Christan Ponder? If there is any diamond in the ruff Qb in this draft it's him. He reminds me of Matt Schaub, who excelled in this offense. He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world but can get the job done.

Posted by: roccoskins | January 6, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

What we need to happen in the draft is New England want a specific player like Ryan Kerrigan or a blessing that AJ Green drops that far. This would prvide us with a trade partner to trade down to #17 and pick Pouncey. We would likely get there 3 round pick. In the second take Guard or D-line. With the 3 pick we rec'd trade it for next years 2nd round pick to add more picks to have a chance at LUCK!

Posted by: Gussneck | January 6, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

How fast was Clay Mathews? Orakpo needs to study how low he gets when going around O-tackles

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Mathews ran 4.67, just >03 less than Orakpo

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

We now have even more tape for the Shannys to analyze before they can decide whether they want bring Fred Davis back for year 2 of Shanny's magical mystery tour.

Questions to be answered:

- What exactly is an "NFL consultant?"

- Can all of this throwing drinks around be defined as alcohol abuse?

- Can we invite the blockers surrounding Davis into camp for a try out?

- Could the league penalize and flag whoever threw the errant elbow for an unnecessary roughness / blow to the head?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 6, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Some would actually like it if their mouth were open and said drink were on target. You may have to wipe a little off but it sure beats paying $15 for a little Ketel One.

Posted by: LibertyValence

That's best case scenario. What if it were one of those ultra sweet drinks that the gals enjoy, like a strawberry mojito? Your face would smell like Hi-C for two days.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 6, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who is doing PR for that Devlin kid out of UD, but I sure have been hearing his name a lot lately. If anyone here saw him play this year, I would love to hear some first hand observations.

Seems to me like he would be the type of 2nd round pick Shanny would love to make (if the kid falls that far). I don't think Shanny wants to deal with the ego of a 1st round pick, and I think he would much rather look like the genius who turned the 4th or 5th QB taken into a Pro Bowler than look like he made the "obvious" choice and traded up for the consensus #1.


Posted by: CommieX | January 6, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I saw the Delaware-Villanova game in November. Devlin seemed very composed, and very accurate. I didn't think he was that great at scrambling. More of a pocket passer. Seemed to be a good leader.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

FYI - Scots Inc's McShave has the Mizzou kid, Blame Gobbler, in his top five jive.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:03 PM |

My error. Blame is one of the HOTY finalists. The dude's name is Blaine Gabbert. Don't know where I got gobbler from. I know, I know, some witty poster is going to say I got it because I'm a turkey. Hah hah hah.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

says Orakpo ran a 40 as fast as 4.52, that his "time" was 4.63 and that his worst effort was 4.76

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33734&draftyear=2009&genpos=DE

Matthews was almost identical:
4.52, 4.62 and 4.72

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57020&draftyear=2009&genpos=olb

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

But did Grossman prove in his three starts -- seven touchdowns, seven turnovers -- that others should share that opinion?

"He's a bullpen guy," an NFL source said.

Posted by: TWISI
__________

Yeah, for the Mudhens...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

says Orakpo ran a 40 as fast as 4.52, that his "time" was 4.63 and that his worst effort was 4.76

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33734&draftyear=2009&genpos=DE

Matthews was almost identical:
4.52, 4.62 and 4.72

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57020&draftyear=2009&genpos=olb

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

In light of this little tid-bit, maybe TE's should be analyzed next by Halsell.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 6, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: roccoskins | January 6, 2011 7:32 PM

Christan Ponder?

Thats a great question, I am not sure...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 6, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

This would prvide us with a trade partner to trade down to #17 and pick Pouncey.

Posted by: Gussneck | January 6, 2011 7:42 PM |

Dude - "pick Pouncey". You got the alliteration but in order to have panache it has to be "pounce on Pouncey". Which by the way also has "pop" as well:

Pounce
On
Pouncey

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

double postings are all part of the strategy to insure I'm in the running for HAOTY

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

If the decision were up to me, the only ones I'd make a run at would be Bailey, Wright, Asomugha, and Foxworth (in that order). by Brownwood

Brownie, Champ is 6'0", 192#, about same size as Kevin Barnes(6'1", 185). Not sure either is big enough to play FS. I think we need to pick up someone in FA with bigger build and experience at FS.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Christan Ponder?

Thats a great question, I am not sure...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 6, 2011 7:59 PM |

But it sure worth Pondering, no?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what this barfly NFL consultant does, but if I want players to get their act together, I'd only need to hire one consultant:

Lorena Bobbitt

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Christan Ponder?

Thats a great question, I am not sure...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 6, 2011 7:59 PM |

But it sure worth Pondering, no?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Well he is worth a look at imho in later rounds.

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 6, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Rocco-

Ponder is the antithesis of Schaub.

Ponder is 6'2, good athlete, mobile (4.6 40), history of injuries (shoulder, elbow, concussion)

Schaub is 6'5, pocket passer, 4.9 40

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 7:57 PM

comparing 3-4 OLBs or 4-3 DEs by 40 times? Since when do players run in a straight line for 40 Yds that rush the passer?

Give me their Vertical...That speaks to explosion

Give me their Bench..

Give me their 20 YD shuttle...evaluates the quickness and change-of-direction

Give me their 3 cone drill...evaluates the agility, quickness and fluidity of movement.

Maybin is a complete bust and has ZERO sacks in 2 YRs as a rush OLB. I still can't believe he went 2 picks ahead of Orakpo.

Btw...Orakpo is not a candidate to play DE in 3-4. He's the ideal 3-4 OLB but suffers from our weak front 3.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

For all the people slurping on Pouncey, please raise your hand if you've actually seen a Florida Gators' football game that he played in.

(INSERT image of a few hands moving sheepishly up and down in a room full of desperate-to-be-right-about-something bloggas who think the gators are the garnet and gold Florida football team with the spear on the side of their helmets.)

I thought so........

BTW: Ahmad Black, Janoris Jenkins, and the d-lineman Trattou might also be worth taking a hard look at.

Jeff Demps-Chris Rainey are interesting speed/wr players who might not go until late in the draft (5th/6th round wr?).

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Tyron showed some progression in 2009 but he benefited from Frenney and Mathis this season. His 5'7 ass would have been toast trying to cover w/o our anemic pass rush.

As Tim Ryan say's..."you show me an all pro CB and I'll show you an all pro DE or a dynamic pass rush."

Again who gives a F. WaPo come back when you've figured out our compensation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:09 AM

Trash the guy and the WashPost just so you can continue to say Vinny Sucks, the '08 Draft is a bust, and 4th is crazy and knows nothing about football.

I always supported Tryon and was when they traded him and kept the older Buchanon. A team that makes the playoffs EVERY year wanted our YOUNG CB. That should have told them something. The Colts robbed us.

Now CR22 will roll out and now we gotta depend on old a$$ Buchanon.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 10:56 AM

The 2008 draft is one of the worst drafts in our lifetime and I made no comment of that in this post and Vinny does suck..

What does this post have to do with you 4th? And you record of stupid predictions, player evaluations, etc stands on it's own merit...

Trashing WaPo is easy but I was merely looking for something that stated our compensation after the Colts were decimated by injury and traded a conditional pick for a guy we were going to cut instead of a BS non-story.

Any even someone like you would know that a CB would benefit from a pass rush.

Speaking of Wow....Just Wow...Step up your game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo is not a candidate to play DE in 3-4. He's the ideal 3-4 OLB but suffers from our weak front 3.


Posted by: Diesel44 |

fwiw, was just reporting 40 times, since there seemed some interest.

I don't like Orakpo as an OLB in a 3-4. Great talents like his should be put into their optimum spot. For Orakpo, its a 4-3 DE. I'd look into possible variations to conventional 3-4 thinking if Shanahan is stuck on using the 3-4.

I'll say it again. I was one of the few in favor of seeing Orakpo at LB last year. I saw, I thought he was fair as an LB. As a DE, he was fabulous -- a real game changer.

So why we put a game changing talent -- our ONLY one -- and put him in a position where is he is good, but not consistently game changing?

I don't like wasting Orakpo's talent

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so let me get this straight. Fred Davis, who apparently also likes to be called S1 (short for sleepy one) had an altercation with the dude from the Land of the Lost, Chaka. Chaka got his lip busted by an inadvertent elbow and then the two threw drinks in each other's faces. Cool. That's Pakuni for "love you brother". All is right in the bizarre kingdom that is Redskinland... Did someone say chorizo tacos?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Zeke-

In a 4-3 Po would ideally play DE but in a 3-4 with the proper personnel he would be our version of Demarcus Ware.

I watched him as a soph and JR at Texas and instantly thought of Frenney in a 4-3 and was surprised at his success as an OLB last YR but Blache (for all his warts) put him in a position to succeed. This YR he suffered by a weak DL that doesn't fit the 3-4 and getting held 3+ times per game.. He just needs to be surrounded by players that fit our current scheme to be our DW.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Police investigating night club incident involving Fred Davis

Looking on the bright side, the fact that the dude is still in DC 4 days after the season ended suggests that he might be participating in OTAs, no?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

There has GOT to be somebody from "The U" involved....... Drinking? Crime? Police? I think Miami U.

Posted by: egrib | January 6, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Both Davis and the woman asked police to intervene. Officers who reviewed the footage wrote Davis reached out to the woman in a calm manner and she responded by throwing a drink on him, according to the police report obtained by NBCWashington.com.

Davis returned about five minutes later with a plastic bottle and threw the bottle's contents and the bottle -- which didn't cause any injury -- on the woman.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Matthews was almost identical:
4.52, 4.62 and 4.72

Posted by: zcezcest1

Yes Orakpo is good and i think he gets held almost every play, still Clay has figured out how to get it done. He seems to get lower than 'Po. Love to hear what Diesel thinks about the two lb's and their form. Plus Orakpo is weak in pass coverqage, much weaker than Clay IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

If you work as a "consultant" to the NFL, what are the best ways to get new consulting assignments? I don't think that "throw drink in NFL player's face and call police" is in the top ten. Maybe she can consult with MLB or NBA next.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Luck is staying at Stanford.

That does it; trade back, acquire a first for next year (even if we trade out of the first round this year) then use the ammo in 2012 to grab Luck next year. Championship.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

here we go again, another punk black man no he's an african america because a real BLACK MAN would have never grabbed her in the first place. another jock (floyd punk mayweather) hitting a woman. the deadskins can't win on the field so now it's beat up a woman for a win. anything for a victory right mike.

Posted by: geg5100 | January 6, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, the odds-on favorite to be the No. 1 pick in this spring's NFL draft, announced Thursday he will stay in school and play his redshirt junior season.

Many thought the dude would be in the draft, including more than a few on this board (gee, let's see, who could them dudes be ...). It were a no brainer though when it were a lock that he would go to the woebegone Panthers if he did come out. Now if the Skins play their pieces right (hint: make Grossguy the starting QB next yr, trade this yr's picks for next yrs, etc.) they will have a decent shot at him next yr. He in a class with the elder Manning bro and think what that dude did for a woebegone Colts franchise. Bonus question: what Colt QB did the elder replace? Answer: Jim Harbaugh, Luck's HC at Stanford! How about them apples?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Many thought the dude would be in the draft, including more than a few on this board (gee, let's see, who could them dudes be ...). It were a no brainer though when it were a lock that he would go to the woebegone Panthers if he did come out. Now if the Skins play their pieces right (hint: make Grossguy the starting QB next yr, trade this yr's picks for next yrs, etc.) they will have a decent shot at him next yr. He in a class with the elder Manning bro and think what that dude did for a woebegone Colts franchise. Bonus question: what Colt QB did the elder replace? Answer: Jim Harbaugh, Luck's HC at Stanford! How about them apples?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 9:43 PM

Why do you always write your posts in baby talk? Do you work in a day care center or something. Spend your days changing poopy diapers?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI... this was Shanahan's 2008 draft class...not too bad

Round 1: Ryan Clady, T
The Clady selection is iron-clad. He finished third in Rookie of the Year voting in 2008 behind Matt Ryan and Chris Johnson, was named All-Pro in 2008 and 2009, made the Pro Bowl in 2009, has started all 48 games for the Broncos since being drafted, and even won the Broncos' Ed Block Courage Award this year for coming back from an offseason knee injury.


Round 2: Eddie Royal, WR
Eddie Royal had a stellar rookie season under Shanahan, catching 91 passes -- second-most ever for an NFL rookie -- for 980 yards and 5 touchdowns. His stats have diminished in the two years since, but at least some of that can probably be tied to the departures of Shanahan and quarterback Jay Cutler.


Round 4: Kory Lichtensteiger, C/G
Kory Lichtensteiger didn't make much of an impact in Denver, nor in 2009 with Minnesota. But he started 14 games for the Redskins this season and -- despite some initial rough patches -- made steady improvement throughout the season. And don't just take my word for that. Professional Redskins curmudgeons Rick Snider and Kevin Ewoldt debate the offensive line on Hogs Haven today, and even they aren't particularly harsh on The Steiger:

"I'm going with Kory Lichtensteiger," Ewoldt writes. "He struggled early in the year but he looked good against a young, strong Giants D. He was consistently at the second level on screens and rushing plays, and he of course can play Center."

"Kory was OK, but I don't think he's anything special," Snider responds. "Just fits Shanahan's blocking system better than Derrick Dockery did. Wouldn't surprise me if Lichtensteiger starts again next year, but he's a stopgap until they can upgrade."

Coming from those two guys, that's about as high as praise gets -- and it's also perfectly in line with what you'd expect from a solid fourth-round pick.


Round 4: Jack Williams, CB


Does not appear to have made much of an impact. Thirteen tackles his rookie year, three passes defensed the following year; now with the Lions where he "may be in the mix" for next year per The Detroit News.


Round 5: Ryan Torain, RB


I would hope you know about Ryan Torain by now, as Shanahan has said that he's competing for the Redskins' starting RB job next season. He finished 2010 with 742 yards and 4 touchdowns in just 10 games (8 starts), averaging 4.5 yards per carry. He also added another 129 yards and 2 touchdowns on 18 receptions. The knock on him, of course, is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy, but I certainly think he's lived up to a fifth-round draft choice -- and he might excel well past that if he can avoid injury. /knocks furiously on everything wood in the office


Round 6: Spencer Larsen, LB


Converted from linebacker to fullback, started at both those positions during a Week 11 game his rookie season (winning Diet Pepsi Rookie Of The Week).

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The incident occurred about 1 a.m. in Josephine, a dance club at Vermont and L streets NW ...

This is the same stretch of K St where them nogoodniks from the Wizards brawled outside the Shadow Room. Wow. By day the area is home to all them high priced Armani-suit-wearing DC lobbyists and by night it is home to hard-partying jocks. The difference is like night and day, no?

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Round 7: Peyton Hillis

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Well Done Andrew Luck. If you are as good as everyone thinks you are, you should have no problem being the first pick next year.

And too be honest, #1 draft pick contracts are great and all, but merely just the tip of the iceberg.

If you have patience mixed with a lil hardwork and more hardwork over several years, it will pay off more. My sappy thoughts to all.

Posted by: Vicc | January 6, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

After 2009 GB switched to a 3-4 Base by hiring Dom Capers. In two Years via the draft and FA they have created a dominant 3-4 D.

Already in house were Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, & Johnny Jolly.

2009 Draft Choice
1st 9 B. J. Raji NT 6'2' 337
1st 26 Clay Matthews 3-4 OLB 6'3' 240
6th 182 Jarius Wynn 3-4 DE 6'5' 273
6th 187 Brandon Underwood CB 6'1' 198 7 218 Brad Jones 3-4 OLB 6'3' 232

2010 Draft

2 56 Mike Neal DE 6'3 294 lbs.
3 71 Morgan Burnett S 6'1 205 lbs.
7 230 J. Wilson DE 6'3 290 lbs

skins 1965 - Clay Matthews is a player that has "brought I"t his initial 2 seasons with 10 sacks last YR and then 14 this YR. He has no doubt benefited by a strong front 3 but his motor, tenacity, and having more than 1 pass rushing move is why he's been so successful. Neither Po nor Clay is a guy the you'd want in pass cov but Clay benefits by having MORE complimentary players.

In this draft if we could draft a OLB opposite PO such as Kerrigan (Clay clone)/Quinn/Ayers in the 1st and a NT in the 2nd such as Powe/Fua NT/DE or late in the draft snag guys like NTs Ellis/Taylor...that would go along way in our transformation into a legit 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Well Done Andrew Luck. If you are as good as everyone thinks you are, you should have no problem being the first pick next year.

Posted by: Vicc | January 6, 2011 10:23 PM |

I feel for the poor bastid. He will be toiling under the prob "rookie pay scale" of the new CBA. No Brad Bucks for this dude. Sob, sniffle.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

LibertyVance- Since that's tonight's handle...

You were right...Even as a lock to be the #1 overall pick, a possible rookie wage scale if he waits a YR, and his coach leaving...He deciced to stay.

So how exactly did he get into to Stanford?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge...looks like Shanny knows how to pick players that fit his offense. The problem has been on the defensive side of the ball. Beside Dumerville, I can't think of many that have been good to elite.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

LibertyVance- Since that's tonight's handle...

You were right...Even as a lock to be the #1 overall pick, a possible rookie wage scale if he waits a YR, and his coach leaving...He deciced to stay.

So how exactly did he get into to Stanford?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:31 PM

He obviously wants to be an architect when the football's done. Might as well get the degree now. There's gonna be a rookie wage scale this year anyway...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

1st 9 B. J. Raji NT 6'2' 337

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:26 PM |

See this is what torked off Haynie. Raji does all the grunt work and Matthews gets all the glory. In 2009, in a supposed 4-3, Haynie did all the grunt work and Rak and Cart ended up with the gaudy stats. Now in 2010 when the Skins switched to a 3-4, for Haynie it was like going from the frying pan into the fire. It were the last straw for him. After all, he weren't no rook like Raji. He were a Pro Bowl Defensive MVP dude for Crissakes.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

So how exactly did he get into to Stanford?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:31 PM |

Dude - the pay scale would have to be close to min wage for anybody to choose to up with the God-awful Panthers.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Two YRs ago Raji was selected with the 9th pick, he signed a five-year, $28.5 million deal that included just under $18 million in guaranteed money.

Not bad for a NT and if I was buying stock in a player I'd buy him and dump that AH stock. Raji won't see the end of this contract without getting a deal worth 2x this.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Good points about what GB did to make the 3-4 transition work. The Redskins on the other hand made the transition and then drafted offense. Shanahan looks to also select offense with the top picks neglecting what he did his tenure in Denver - the Defense. Hell there is always free agency and maybe the Browns have some d-linemen needing contracts.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Peeps are all excited about the Coen bros version of True Grit. What I would like to see is a Western where Liberty Valance and the Rooster square off. BTW, the Duke was in both orig flicks.

Posted by: LibertyValence | January 6, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

He obviously wants to be an architect when the football's done. Might as well get the degree now. There's gonna be a rookie wage scale this year anyway...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:40 PM

scamp- Costanza wanted to be an architect, Matt Dillon "was" an architect in Something about Mary, and with 50+ million Andrew Luck wouldn't have had to lie about being an architect to pull wool.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

scamp- Costanza wanted to be an architect, Matt Dillon "was" an architect in Something about Mary, and with 50+ million Andrew Luck wouldn't have had to lie about being an architect to pull wool.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 11:02 PM

He was never gonna get $50 mil with the rookie wage scale comin this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

At least the dude didn't get in no fights with no teammates outside the club.

Posted by: LibertyValence |

Yes, because grabbing a woman, swearing at her and flinging a drink in her face is sooooooo much classier.

Not saying he did it, of cours, it's all just alleged. Oh and nice double double negative. Don't never see that often.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

He obviously wants to be an architect when the football's done.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:40 PM |

His dad, Olly Luck (or is it Oily?), the AD at WV, is quite the architect himself. He maneuvered WV's HC Bill Stewart into being a lame duck and brought in the Oklahoma State OC as a coach-in-waiting in 2011, coach-to-be in 2012, something that did not work out for UM although I think Edsall is an upgrade over The Mint.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was a triple negative, equating to a single negative... but no doubt that was just blind luck.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so let me get this straight. Fred Davis, who apparently also likes to be called S1 (short for sleepy one) had an altercation with the dude from the Land of the Lost, Chaka.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 8:55 PM |

Yes, because grabbing a woman, swearing at her and flinging a drink in her face is sooooooo much classier.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 11:19 PM |

Head, Cork - one of you dudes made a gender error, no?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

scamp- Costanza wanted to be an architect, Matt Dillon "was" an architect in Something about Mary, and with 50+ million Andrew Luck wouldn't have had to lie about being an architect to pull wool.

Posted by: Diesel44
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I did not know that star QB's at major schools have problems securing primo tang.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was a triple negative, equating to a single negative... but no doubt that was just blind luck.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:25 PM |

Hey - you ridiculing my bud Liberty?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Peeps are all excited about the Coen bros version of True Grit. What I would like to see is a Western where Liberty Valance and the Rooster square off. BTW, the Duke was in both orig flicks.

Posted by: LibertyValence

"Everyone heard two shots ring out, a shot made Liberty fall
The man who shot Liberty Valance, he shot Liberty Valance
He was the bravest of them all."

--The Man WHo Shot Liberty Valance, writen and recorded by Gene Pitney.


Got to disagree with Mr. Pitney. Duke shot Liberty from ambush, to save Jimmy Stewart's life.

Terrific tune, but not included in the original movi.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I did not know that star QB's at major schools have problems securing primo tang.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:30 PM |

When you have the kind of acne that Luck has it ain't as easy as it is with Brad.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Open and shut case:

She started it. Done.

Moving on, I don't know what the F has gotten into me with this Luck guy, but I am not a QB guy and I say, mortgage the entire future and grab this guy.

Whatever it takes.

I wouldn't do it, but I bet somebody will with they had the cajones to do it. I got a bad feeling this guy will be a future Peyton Brady.

I know. That's the stupid thing to do. But, the guy seems ridiculously stacked with talent and still has potential to improve.

I'm worried we wont get him, but I know we wont.

And I don't like Locker. Not for big money. No way.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 6, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

News bulletin, Thinker: Luck ain't coming out this year. It's all academic. Pun intended.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Got to disagree with Mr. Pitney. Duke shot Liberty from ambush, to save Jimmy Stewart's life.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 11:35 PM |

Good point.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Whatever it takes.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 6, 2011 11:38 PM |

Hey - the Bears bet the ranch on Cutler and that seems to be working out pretty good for them.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

When you have the kind of acne that Luck has it ain't as easy as it is with Brad.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag
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Brad who? Brad Johnson? Chicken-man?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Brad who? Brad Johnson? Chicken-man?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:46 PM |

Sam Bradford.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Brad who? Brad Johnson? Chicken-man?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:46 PM |

Sam Bradford.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:48 PM |

Angelina would kick hubby Brad out of the sack to congress with this Brad.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Billy Bob's been there, so anyone can get there, I reckon.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I worked in the nightclub industry for six years and I can tell you BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN NIGHTCLUBS more so than any other place of business you can hang out at for the night.

If you don't believe me, Ask yourself this....How many bowling alleys, movie theaters, local pubs or an Applebees need a security staff of twenty??

Posted by: skins91r | January 7, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

So Miami went after Harbaugh, and not too subtly either, while stringing Sparano along and then Harbaugh said "no thanks." Can you blame him? Would you want to work for people like that? People called our FO classless. These a holes take the cake. Ireland should be fired because no one is going to want to work for him after that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 12:09 AM | Report abuse

A quick thoughts before I sign off.

1. With Luck returning to school, and no clear #1 qb or #2 qb, I am even more confident that the Skins will use their first pick on a qb at this point. Why? Because I don't see a pick in the lot. With the 49ers at #7 and the Titans at #, the Browns at #6 becomes the Skin's target. Holmgren is going to need a vet qb, which is where McNabb comes in after he renegotiates his contract. McNabb and one of this year's 5th and perhaps one of next year's 4th for the ability to move up 4 spots and draft the #1 qb on the board.


Posted by: TWISI | January 7, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Does Holmgren really want McCoy playing second fiddle to McNabb??

Or worse yet, does he want McNabb playing second fiddle to McCoy?

Hope it gets done though... which guy do you grab at 6?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 7, 2011 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how long it will be before BA and MS say for the first of 1,456,782,963 times "we are going to draft the best player for The Redskins"?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 7, 2011 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Luck and Harbaugh are gonna go for it all and try and win a BCS next year.

Wonder how much the labor drama played into their decisions?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 7, 2011 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Open and shut case:

She started it. Done.

Moving on, I don't know what the F has gotten into me with this Luck guy, but I am not a QB guy and I say, mortgage the entire future and grab this guy.

Whatever it takes.

I wouldn't do it, but I bet somebody will with they had the cajones to do it. I got a bad feeling this guy will be a future Peyton Brady.

I know. That's the stupid thing to do. But, the guy seems ridiculously stacked with talent and still has potential to improve.

I'm worried we wont get him, but I know we wont.

And I don't like Locker. Not for big money. No way.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 6, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

News bulletin, Thinker: Luck ain't coming out this year. It's all academic. Pun intended.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 11:42 PM |

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Coming out? You mean in the NFL Draft?

Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I said, "Whatever it Takes."

Sometimes you gotta bend the rules, break the law, you know what I mean?

Every now and then, you gotta take a QB hostage, brainwash him, get him to sign your lawyer as his personal agent and spokesperson, and take it from there.

I mean, are we trying to win a Super Bowl or what around here, @!#$%& it!?

"Well, he didn't want to go pro yet, so we went ahead and got this other guy and now we continue to suck..."

That's LOSER talk!

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Ever seen that movie with Denzel?

Manchurian Quarterback?

Same idea here. Super Bowl Champs in 2 years...

DYNASTY after that. The Manchurian Dynasty, we'll call it behind closed doors while smoking Cubans and sipping Johnny Walker Blue.

(I've left reality and I'm not coming back. It's so much COOLER here! :)

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Shocker...a Skins player f*cking up in the club. Somewhere, Rod Gardner is smiling...

Thinker, hate highlight the obvious here, but you left reality LONG before now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 5:18 AM | Report abuse

What We Learned: Offense

By: John Keim

…The Redskins need to fix the interior of their offensive line, adding more strength whether at guard or center. Center Casey Rabach is appreciated by the coaches for his knowledge, but the problem is left guard Kory Lichtensteiger and right guard Will Montgomery both likely are better centers than guards. Too often one of the trio would get bumped off line or get moved deep in the pocket in protection. And that was evident in several games this season, including vs. the Giants. Yes, Derrick Dockery had the size, but not the footwork which is why he’ll be gone.

…Anthony Armstrong and Santana Moss both had excellent seasons. Armstrong is worth developing while Moss should be re-signed. But Washington still needs to find another big target at receiver. Roydell Williams is the only wideout with size, but he’s not that big and he’s not that good. Don’t hold your breath on Malcolm Kelly being that guy; he has a long ways to go to prove himself. The draft and free agency will provide better options. They don’t need a big star, they just need a quality player, if Moss returns.

…This offense gets receivers open. Moss wasn’t fooling when he was salivating at season’s start about what this scheme could do for him. What it did: 93 catches and 1,115 yards. He and tight end Chris Cooley caught a combined 170 of the team’s 349 receptions. So team’s knew where the Redskins wanted to go, but these two still got open. Often sending them in motion helped as did the emphasis on misdirection plays. It’s clear that this system will flourish if they find the right players.

…The running game is still an issue, though there’s guarded optimism because of Ryan Torain. He’s not fast, but he did run with more power during the season than he did in the preseason. He’s not a complete back but he could be part of a good rotation. But he still hasn’t proven he can stay healthy all season. Keiland Williams is a decent No. 3, but the Redskins will need to find another back capable of starting. Will Clinton Portis take a paycut? Regardless, we go back to what we said last year: a young back who provides energy would be a good find.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/01/what-we-learned-offense#ixzz1ALVHU4n5

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 5:56 AM | Report abuse

I like John Clayton, but this dude and his QB rankings are laughable:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554

Kinda taints the label "elite" when you list damn near half the starting QBs in the league as such, no?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Kinda taints the label "elite" when you list damn near half the starting QBs in the league as such, no?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 6:16 AM

He has three categories: 1. Elite; 2. Chad Pennington; and 3. Hit or Miss.

He rates 38 QBs. He has 12 of them in the top category, 10 in middle category and 16 in the lowest category. About a third in each group. So your only gripe is that he uses the word "elite" to describe a third of the QBs and you think he should have used the word--what? Upper-tier? Top echelon?

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel. I think your football knowledge (X's and O's) is better than many here. True would'nt want to rely on Clay or Po in pass coverage much but the 3-4 dictates that right? Still Po seems to be missing something to get him over the top. No reason he can't be IMO, just hasn't yet.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 7, 2011 6:44 AM | Report abuse

So your only gripe is that he uses the word "elite" to describe a third of the QBs and you think he should have used the word--what? Upper-tier? Top echelon?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 6:31 AM

To me, "elite" is defined as the superior QBs...guys that could play effectively in any system, guys you could build a team around without a doubt, guys you can count on to be healthy and productive game in, game out and season in, season out. In my estimation there's only 3 such QBs as of now: Brady, Manning, Brees. That's it. That's the list.

I'm not saying my way is right and his isn't per se...just that what he calls "elite" is more like "good"...there's no delineation between the clearly superior Brady and Manning to Schaub and Eli Gump. It's not as black and white as he makes it sound...there's more than 3 classes of QBs in the league and it's at best a ridiculous oversimplification to say otherwise...

I mean, Jimmy Clausen as "hit or miss"? Seems he was all miss this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 6:53 AM | Report abuse


FD86

another flaw in the draft class of 2008.

you'd think the nfl would somehoew make these clubs off limits to players.

the club scene, never understood paying stadium prices for drinks and having a naked woman in front of you that you can't touch.


Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Nothing good ever happens in a night club.
Ever.

Have you ever heard of anyone curing cancer in a night club? Or solving some mathematic equation? Ever heard of a great poem written in a night club.

Nothing Good ever happens in a night club.
Ever

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2011 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so let me get this straight. Fred Davis, who apparently also likes to be called S1 (short for sleepy one) had an altercation with the dude from the Land of the Lost, Chaka.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 8:55 PM |

Yes, because grabbing a woman, swearing at her and flinging a drink in her face is sooooooo much classier.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 11:19 PM |

Head, Cork - one of you dudes made a gender error, no?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 6, 2011 11:30 PM
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You're saying Chaka was a woman? Man, that sure sheds a new light on things. Now I'll have to spend the weekend reviewing my deluxe collection of Land of the Lost episodes...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 7:40 AM | Report abuse

you'd think the nfl would somehoew make these clubs off limits to players.

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:25 AM


I'll let you take some time to stop and think about the legality of trying to do such a thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

from walterfootball...

My take Epic FAIL

10. Washington Redskins: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

I can't believe I'm putting Cam Newton this high either. Newton's stock is on the rise in the wake of an impressive comeback at Alabama and a great performance in the SEC Championship; even the talking heads on ESPN seem to agree that Arizona taking Newton in the top five is a good idea.

The Cam Newton Hype Train is coming. If Newton beats Oregon in one of the two national championships this January, some team will probably make a desperate reach.

Many consider Newton unprepared to play in the NFL, but there's no denying that he possesses tremendous upside with a big arm and mobility. He's also a winner with great intangibles (see McCoy, Colt). Some front office will talk themselves into believing Newton is the next multi-threat quarterback, hoping that they can duplicate what the Eagles have right now.

One of those front offices might be the Redskins, who are in desperate need of an upgrade at the position.

Other 2011 NFL Draft Possibilities:

1. Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB - If the Redskins don't like any of the quarterbacks, they'll take the best defensive player available. That could be Ryan Kerrigan, who would upgrade a poor pass rush.

2. J.J. Watt, DE/DT - Albert Haynesworth probably won't be back, so the Redskins will need an upgrade on their defensive front.

41. Washington Redskins: Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland

The Redskins will need to provide their new franchise quarterback with a weapon. Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong and Chris Cooley just aren't enough.

Pick change; previously Pat Devlin, QB

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Nothing Good ever happens in a night club.
Ever

When you're in your 20s, night clubs are great.

In your 30s, you find them filled with annoying 20 year olds.

Once you reach 40, night clubs are too loud, and you shake your head at the sight of 30 year old married guys trying to hook up with drunken, booty-shaking 20 year old hotties.

At 50, you complain that night clubs bring noise, crime, and devalue the property the 40 year old real estate agen encouraged you to buy as an 'ideal location'.

You become so mad about losing money at 60 that you have a heart attack, die, and the final club you join is called Six Feet Under Cemetary.

And one you get there, you realize that it is indeed an ideal location.

Why?: it's the once place where it never gets too loud.

And no one is annoying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 7, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Kinda taints the label "elite" when you list damn near half the starting QBs in the league as such, no?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 6:16 AM

He has three categories: 1. Elite; 2. Chad Pennington; and 3. Hit or Miss.

He rates 38 QBs. He has 12 of them in the top category, 10 in middle category and 16 in the lowest category. About a third in each group. So your only gripe is that he uses the word "elite" to describe a third of the QBs and you think he should have used the word--what? Upper-tier? Top echelon?

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 6:31 AM
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I agree with Brown on this one. I think there are only three guys worthy of being called "elite" in the NFL: Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady. Those guys have something that other guys don't have. I didn't put Vick in this category because we have seen less than a season of Vick 2.0. I didn't put Rothliesberger in this category because I don't think he is an exceptionally accurate passer, and those other guys can thread the needle from twenty yards away. Of course, this is all subjective, and has a great deal to do with who the supporting cast might be, but this is how I see it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse


I'll let you take some time to stop and think about the legality of trying to do such a thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 7:47 AM |

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contracts brown, contracts. you can put anything in a contract. once it's signed it's legal. just ask snyder and haynesworth.

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse


I'll let you take some time to stop and think about the legality of trying to do such a thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 7:47 AM |

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contracts brown, contracts. you can put anything in a contract. once it's signed it's legal. just ask snyder and haynesworth.

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:54 AM
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As much as teams would like to, they just can't protect these guys from themselves. Remember Pacman Jones in Dallas? JJ had a bodyguard with him to keep him out of trouble and the guy ends up fighting the bodyguard. Face it, years of being on this planet have taught me there are some people out there who just can't resist that urge to screw up no matter how hard you try to protect them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Nothing Good ever happens in a night club.
Ever

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2011 7:36 AM


Ben Roethlisberger might disagree...wait, bad example...

And isn't the saying "nothing good happens when you're out after midnight"? Night clubs aren't the problem...it's some of the shady characters that go to them that are the issue.

That's why you go out, lock in on the chick you want by 11:30...if you can't get her home before then, you're probably going home empty handed anyway.

(or going home with someone you wish you hadn't)

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse


As much as teams would like to, they just can't protect these guys from themselves. Remember Pacman Jones in Dallas? JJ had a bodyguard with him to keep him out of trouble and the guy ends up fighting the bodyguard. Face it, years of being on this planet have taught me there are some people out there who just can't resist that urge to screw up no matter how hard you try to protect them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 7:59 AM |

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agree with you rsh, for I was young once and have made testosterone mistakes. I'm sure coaches plead with their players to stay away from all forms of trouble

It's tough being human

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:05 AM | Report abuse

41. Washington Redskins: Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland

The Redskins will need to provide their new franchise quarterback with a weapon. Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong and Chris Cooley just aren't enough.

Pick change; previously Pat Devlin, QB


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I've watched Torrey Smith since he was in high school. He's a great athlete and a nice kid but he's coming out too early.

He could use another year in college but with his family's financial situation and the coaching switch at Maryland, he decided to go pro this year.

2nd round is too high for him as he doesn't always run great routes and he tends to let the ball hit his body when catching it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's not get carried away with the Fred Davis story...

Should a 24 YR old be at a club? Yes, If he wants

Should he realize he's a target by the skanks in a club? Yes

If said skank turns down a 2008 2nd RD bust, should he move on? Yes

Has this story be sensationalized? Yes

Officers who reviewed the footage wrote Davis reached out to the woman in a calm manner and she responded by throwing a drink on him, according to the police report obtained by NBCWashington.com.

Davis returned about five minutes later with a plastic bottle and threw the bottle's contents and the bottle -- which didn't cause any injury -- on the woman

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Great stuff, Moe...hilarious.

Hess, bottom line is it's not only unfair to ask a 23 year-old to NOT go to a club if he wants to, it's unconstitutional. I mean, where does it end? Pretty soon, they're only allowed to eat at Papa John's in public since it's a franchise sponsor...

Just like any workplace, you just hope and pray the guys you hired have a good enough head on their shoulders that they don't engage in reckless or compromising behavior. These are football players, not slaves...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse


Officers who reviewed the footage wrote Davis reached out to the woman in a calm manner and she responded by throwing a drink on him, according to the police report obtained by NBCWashington.com.

Davis returned about five minutes later with a plastic bottle and threw the bottle's contents and the bottle -- which didn't cause any injury -- on the woman


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:06 AM |

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fred, how many times have the coaches told you that retaliation draws the flag ?

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 8:06 AM

Great kid who's already graduated. He could come back for his masters degree but that's not completely necessary in his line of work.

He's light YRs ahead of Heyward-Bey but as a receiver and even though I've seen more than 15 of his games. I'd pass.

Going QB-WR in this draft would put me in the anti-everything Shanahan camp.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Chaka? She sounds like Chewbaka's wife in Star Wars! Screw her Fred, you should have decked her!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse


Pretty soon, they're only allowed to eat at Papa John's in public since it's a franchise sponsor...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:11 AM |

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brown, don't give the owners any ideas like that. next thing you know the players uniforms would look like a nascar's hoods and fenders

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Diesel...people see the words "club", "pro athlete", and "altercation" and immediately assume the worst. Davis doesn't have a rep for being a turd and I won't assume him to be unless there's compelling evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Nothing Good ever happens in a night club.
Ever

Posted by: alex35332


Spoken like a dude who isn't "allowed" to attend nights out with the boys anymore. Hate on what you can't have, or do...


Completely disagree though. I've had "several encounters of all kinds" with random women in the club. Not to mention I've also gotten hammered out of my mind, but ALWAYS enough to maintain. (You'll never see me slumped over or laying on the sidewalk out side of the club like some people do) I've had awesome nights at nightclubs, lounges, bars, etc...

No the problem are the idiots who come out to these clubs already sh*tfaced, looking to get put out the club before the even come through the door, or mad because someone may have bumped them or accidentally spilled a few DROPS on them and now want to fight, or just simply are ego tripping, as was probably the case with Fred Davis.

Never could understand with all the women that are in nightclubs why the f-ck would you want to pay ANY attention to some bama ass dude that ain't one of your boys. Get on the P-ssy!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Going QB-WR in this draft would put me in the anti-everything Shanahan camp.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:13 AM


Co-sign. If we went OL in Rounds 1 and 2 last year, I'd be alright with it but we're not the Niners...they did it right by loading up on OL help early in last year's draft and now they just need to upgrade the skill positions. I know finding a franchise QB is easier said than done (especially now that Luck isn't coming out), but once they do he'll have a couple quality targets to throw to and a nice line to protect him.

OL/DL. Don't touch another QB until that's done...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

next thing you know the players uniforms would look like a nascar's hoods and fenders

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:20 AM

Kind of like how the outside of Jack Kent Cooke Stadium looks now?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

'the woman, who told authorities she is an "NFL consultant," '
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LMAO. 'NFL consultant'? That's a new one. She's probably a consultant like some women are 'escorts' or 'masseuses'.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 7, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

much ado about nothing really, but the usual suspects on this board will try and make drama/something out of nothing over this....nothing to see here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse


OL/DL. Don't touch another QB until that's done...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:27 AM |

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agree AGREE aGrEe AgReE eerga in every way possible

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

OL/DL. Don't touch another QB until that's done...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:27 AM |

I'll agree if it's DL/OL, I will disagree if they waiste a top 10 pick on O-Line.

There is no O-Line player in this draft worth a top 10 pick, if you want o-line trade back and pick up another 2nd or 3rd then draft your o-line.

All of this will depend on what they due in FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Never could understand with all the women that are in nightclubs why the f-ck would you want to pay ANY attention to some bama ass dude that ain't one of your boys. Get on the P-ssy!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2011 8:25 AM


Well said, my man. Hell, I barely paid any attention to my boys when I was out at the club, let alone the competition...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Zeke you moron, most of those guys you list who enjoyed good careers after their Redskins employment, were signed by other teams BECAUSE of their Redskins career. Next time you want to post something, post a list of all of the athletes who left Washington and went nowhere! It goes both ways. And if you look at the Redskins championship teams, you will find that some of the players on those rosters also came from other teams....Im sure all of those organizations are cursed as well... I can't believe you think of your viewpoint as logical, it's just the opposite.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 7, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Diesel...people see the words "club", "pro athlete", and "altercation" and immediately assume the worst. Davis doesn't have a rep for being a turd and I won't assume him to be unless there's compelling evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Davis isn't a turd, other than sleeping thru meetings, coming in late and missing assignments on blocking for field goals.

However, even though I've been known to venture in a strip club or bar, I don't recall EVER throwing a drink in someone's face, especially a woman. No matter what was said, he shouldn't have done it.

Also, if it were me or you it would be no big deal, however he should know better because he's a Pro Athlete. 'Washington Redskins TE throws drink in woman's face' sounds better than 'Local Redskins fan throws drink in woman's face'.

Use your head Fred, and not the one in your pants!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

'the woman, who told authorities she is an "NFL consultant," '

She's great at taking dick-tation.

Remember the scence from Knocked Up...

Doorman: I know... you're right. I'm so sorry, I f*ckin' hate this job. I don't want to be the one to pass judgement, decide who gets in. Sh!t makes me sick to my stomach, I get the runs from the stress. It's not cause you're not hot, I would love to tap that ass. I would tear that ass up. I can't let you in cause you're old as f*ck. For this club, you know, not for the earth.

Anyways.... Her ass is too old to be in a club full of twenty-somethings and she be happy that a 24 YR old even paid attention to her.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Zeke you moron, most of those guys you list who enjoyed good careers after their Redskins employment, were signed by other teams BECAUSE of their Redskins career. Next time you want to post something, post a list of all of the athletes who left Washington and went nowhere! It goes both ways. And if you look at the Redskins championship teams, you will find that some of the players on those rosters also came from other teams....Im sure all of those organizations are cursed as well... I can't believe you think of your viewpoint as logical, it's just the opposite.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 7, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Flound, hopefully the Skins reel in Mankins and/or Harris and thus render the whole "should we take a G with the 10th pick" argument moot....I agree some positions don't warrant spending a high pick on, but if there's a guy that ends up being the next Logan Mankins sitting at 10th I say we take him and forget about conventional wisdom...but that's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse


I agree that Davis isn't a turd, other than sleeping thru meetings, coming in late and missing assignments on blocking for field goals.

However, even though I've been known to venture in a strip club or bar, I don't recall EVER throwing a drink in someone's face, especially a woman. No matter what was said, he shouldn't have done it.

Also, if it were me or you it would be no big deal, however he should know better because he's a Pro Athlete. 'Washington Redskins TE throws drink in woman's face' sounds better than 'Local Redskins fan throws drink in woman's face'.

Use your head Fred, and not the one in your pants!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 8:37 AM |

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monk,

well said, but I can't vouch for fred not being a turd. don't know him personally.

flound,

agree with trading down for the extra pick and drafting yet another lineman in the 2nd - 3rd round

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall EVER throwing a drink in someone's face, especially a woman.

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 8:37 AM

Monk...I think the key word is RECALL...not EVER.

I've probably thrown a drink in my own face once or twice.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that Newton falls to us and a team in the late teens to mid twentys with a solid veteran at QB calls us to make a trade. They could then take their time with Newton.

Ain't sexy, but would go a long way in helping us rebuild.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

As much as teams would like to, they just can't protect these guys from themselves. Remember Pacman Jones in Dallas? JJ had a bodyguard with him to keep him out of trouble and the guy ends up fighting the bodyguard. Face it, years of being on this planet have taught me there are some people out there who just can't resist that urge to screw up no matter how hard you try to protect them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 7:59 AM |

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agree with you rsh, for I was young once and have made testosterone mistakes. I'm sure coaches plead with their players to stay away from all forms of trouble

It's tough being human

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:05 AM
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No, I'm not really talking about Fred Davis. I am sure this is current deal is something that has been blown all out of proportion. I'm thinking more about guys like Pacman Jones, Maurice Clarett, Todd Marinovich, etc. Those guys just always seemed to be in and out of trouble, and try as teams might, they just can't protect these guys from themselves. It's not hard to imagine when you consider they hand some 23 year old kid the keys to the universe. I remember all of the stupid stuff I did at that age, and I didn't have a million dollars in my bank account to burn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

LOL Diesel...loved that scene.

And for the record, I would have loved to tear that ass up too. Can't remember that chick's name, but I know she's the director's wife. You know how I like MILFs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

'the woman, who told authorities she is an "NFL consultant," '
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LMAO. 'NFL consultant'? That's a new one. She's probably a consultant like some women are 'escorts' or 'masseuses'.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 7, 2011 8:30 AM
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Maybe we finally found out who was feeding Vinny all of that advice on personnel moves...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that Newton falls to us and a team in the late teens to mid twentys with a solid veteran at QB calls us to make a trade. They could then take their time with Newton.

Ain't sexy, but would go a long way in helping us rebuild.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse


Co-muthaeffin-sign!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Dies,

Some have Newton going as early as #3 to Buffalo, man would that be a reach. I think trading down would be great most of the o-linemen aren't projected to go until late in the 1st round.

Pick up an extra pick or two.

Some have said Carolina could get in the Mcnabb mix, man I hope we get something back for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Dies,

Some have Newton going as early as #3 to Buffalo, man would that be a reach. I think trading down would be great most of the o-linemen aren't projected to go until late in the 1st round.

Pick up an extra pick or two.

Some have said Carolina could get in the Mcnabb mix, man I hope we get something back for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy, but I can see Buffalo trading for McNabb and then Drafting Cam Newton to sit behind him and learn how to throw at the ground.

I thing Vince Young will be the first domino to fall. there will be several teams competing for him (Minny, AZ, Miami & Buffalo) The teams tha that lose out on Vince will set their sites on McNabb.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall EVER throwing a drink in someone's face, especially a woman.

Let's be honest: drinking beer, wine, scotch and tequila is straight.

But the weed head in me would prefers an after dinner blaze session every once in a while to relieve stress and relax.

You don't vomit if you do too much or make totally asinine decisions about sex either.

Driving while intoxicated with a blunt in the ashtray allows you to drive without caring about where you're headed to.

You can hear things in music the sober mind doesn't.

Crunchy, cheesey, spicy, salty become you new food groups.

Cartoons have a level of depth, sophistication, and philosophy to them once THC becomes apart of the equation.

Yes, I know there's that illegality thingy.

But at the end of the day.....

.....I forgot what I was saying.

Wait: what was a writing about?

Somebody remind me.

(gimmiesummoe whispers a reminder into moe's ear)

Oh, yeah, weed isn't as bad as alcohol.

At I don't think it is.

Or is it?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 7, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Some have said Carolina could get in the Mcnabb mix, man I hope we get something back for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:59 AM


I don't think it's fair to speculate ANYTHING about Carolina until they have a new coach...but that's just me.

Truth be told, I'd be a bit surprised if there's not a good market for McNabb...I just don't think Shanahan is going to get what he wants in return. I just hope he learned that lesson from the AH situation...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall EVER throwing a drink in someone's face, especially a woman.

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 8:37 AM

Monk...I think the key word is RECALL...not EVER.

I've probably thrown a drink in my own face once or twice.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

That's a close call, I started to capitalize the word IN, I hate Inglish!

Since we are the same person, I KNOW I have thrown a drink in your face many times! Well, your side of the face that is, I control the left side and you control the right. By the way, my left elbow itches, gimme a scratch!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I just hope he learned that lesson from the AH situation...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 9:18 AM

As long as there are at least two teams in the bidding then hopefully he gets the value he is looking for...he didn't have that luxury with Haynesworth...it was take it or leave it.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Anyways.... Her ass is too old to be in a club full of twenty-somethings and she be happy that a 24 YR old even paid attention to her.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:41 AM

Gotta disagree with you here... When I was in my 20s, women in their 30s were the absolute best!

They usually have a little coin already, so they're not just looking at the young dudes for that. Also, those 30+ women in the club aren't taking things for granted... they want to prove something, and they have the experience to do it right--sometimes even got there own place & ride.

Those 30+ chicks were nearly always way more fun.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

MAngini to Cardinals DC

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Those 30+ chicks were nearly always way more fun.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I love Cougars!!!

I think hess likes Fat Cougars though!
Save the Fatties, I mean Whales!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Since we are the same person, I KNOW I have thrown a drink in your face many times!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 9:21 AM

Haha...now it all makes sense!

I bet S1 is hoping theres another beep beep coming sometime soon.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Truth be told, I'd be a bit surprised if there's not a good market for McNabb...I just don't think Shanahan is going to get what he wants in return. I just hope he learned that lesson from the AH situation...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 9:18 AM

I think most teams are going to look at McNabb as a 1 to 2 year rental. If they think they're a QB away, he'll draw interest.

His market value will be quite telling, though, as to whom other teams blame most for his failure in DC: the Shanahans or the player.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Dies,

Some have Newton going as early as #3 to Buffalo, man would that be a reach. I think trading down would be great most of the o-linemen aren't projected to go until late in the 1st round.

Pick up an extra pick or two.

Some have said Carolina could get in the Mcnabb mix, man I hope we get something back for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy, but I can see Buffalo trading for McNabb and then Drafting Cam Newton to sit behind him and learn how to throw at the ground.

I thing Vince Young will be the first domino to fall. there will be several teams competing for him (Minny, AZ, Miami & Buffalo) The teams tha that lose out on Vince will set their sites on McNabb.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 9:08 AM

And then we can get Fitzpatrick for a 4th/5th Rounder....

I'm gonna pencil that one in......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I bet S1 is hoping theres another beep beep coming sometime soon.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about that, but I think I got an S2 coming on soon! Better take my sock puppet off before I wipe though!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse


draft o-line and d-line

SAVE THE WHALES !!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Better take my sock puppet off before I wipe though!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 9:52 AM

Yes, please.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The Davis incident brings to mind something that Herman Edwards said on TV a while back: that nothing good ever happens in a night club after midnight.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 7, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

draft o-line and d-line

SAVE THE WHALES !!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 9:54 AM

Draft a few whales!!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Mangini to Cardinals DC


Memba when Mangini was so hot he got featured, briefly, in an episode of The Sopranos?

Well, he's been fired twice since then.

Dude was massively over-rated when he coached the jets.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 7, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Draft a few whales!!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 9:59 AM |

EXACTLY

SAVE EM'

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

MAngini to Cardinals DC

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 9:42 AM

No chance...he's got no ties to Whisenhunt and nobody in their right mind would trust that guy after how he did Belichick with the whole Spygate sh*t. He'll go to the college ranks and work his way back, if at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

brown, we have VERY different opinions on who did what to belichick on the spygate thing...mangini was supposed to sit there and let this guy cheat, and defeat his team...sorry, bill brought ALL of that on his own head...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

hessone

draft o-line and d-line

I agree about drafting lineman, but I feel d-lineman (d-tackle/d-end) should be the priority.

Even if A Bryant looks like a solid NT, having a flexible NT-DT and DT-D-end would solidify the line.

The tricky thing is, if Nick Fairley-DT Auburn (the best one) falls to number 10, would Shanahan take him when he really wants a quarterback?

Drafting down in 1 means Pouncey, you'd think, but Iowa's Adam Clayburn-D-end is another fine player we could use.

We'll see.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 7, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel. I think your football knowledge (X's and O's) is better than many here. True would'nt want to rely on Clay or Po in pass coverage much but the 3-4 dictates that right? Still Po seems to be missing something to get him over the top. No reason he can't be IMO, just hasn't yet.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 7, 2011 6:44 AM |

I wonder who his position coach is? You would think any position coach worth his salt would understand the skills he has, see all the holds and the missing step in pass coverage, and be able to teach someone as smart and talented as Orakpo to overcome those things.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It's not as black and white as he makes it sound...there's more than 3 classes of QBs in the league and it's at best a ridiculous oversimplification to say otherwise...

I mean, Jimmy Clausen as "hit or miss"? Seems he was all miss this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 6:53 AM

Did you even read it? He ranked 38 QB's from #1 to #36 (a three way tie). And for every one of them he gave an estimate of the probability that they will get better. And he ranked your boy Clausen #34 of 38. So he didn't make it as black and white as you like to claim he did.

Your fundamental objection is that he drew three lines among the QBs and called the groups "elite," "Chad Pennington," and "hit or miss." You don't seem to disagree with his rankings (his top three are Brady, Manning, Brees), you just want him to draw more lines. And because he didn't you call him "laughable" and "a ridiculous oversimplification." I'm laughing alright, but not at Clayton.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

brown, we have VERY different opinions on who did what to belichick on the spygate thing...mangini was supposed to sit there and let this guy cheat, and defeat his team...sorry, bill brought ALL of that on his own head...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 10:15 AM

I'm not saying that...all I'm sayin' is that he was IN THE BUILDING reaping the benefits of that cheating. Hell, you could make the case he got that Jets gig as a result of it. You can't rob a bank, dime out your accomplices, and then expect someone to trust you to be the lookout guy on another bank job...even thieves have honor among them...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

FD86

another flaw in the draft class of 2008.

you'd think the nfl would somehoew make these clubs off limits to players.

the club scene, never understood paying stadium prices for drinks and having a naked woman in front of you that you can't touch.

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:25 AM


BS. You can touch 'em. You just gotta know what it is they're looking for. Them girls were always easy (when I was younger.) Now, I wouldn't wanna touch 'em. They're all pretty screwed up in the head.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Beep, break it down however you like, dude...all I'm sayin' is that if you wanna use the label "elite", there shouldn't be a third of the league's starters under that list. If he lumped more under the Pennington level or the hit or miss level, I'd be more inclined to buy that...saying 13 QBs are "elite" is the same as lumping elite upper class, upper class, and middle class people all in the same financial bracket...that's not what "elite" means.

There's nothing anyone can tell me to lead me to believe that Peyton Manning and Eli Manning are in the same class of QB. Any list saying that is a total joke.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel. I think your football knowledge (X's and O's) is better than many here. True would'nt want to rely on Clay or Po in pass coverage much but the 3-4 dictates that right? Still Po seems to be missing something to get him over the top. No reason he can't be IMO, just hasn't yet.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 7, 2011 6:44 AM | Report abuse

1965, this is a good point. My understanding of the 3-4 calls for OLB(Clay and PO) to mainly rush QB, which they are good at, or to cover RB out of backfield into the flat. If RB comes up middle into passing zone, ILB's will cover. Occasionally OLB will need to cover TE in a flare into the flat also. Usually one of the OLB's will rush QB.

Clay has developed a nice move of dipping his shoulder to give OT less area on which to get a strong punch. Po does not yet have this move. Also Clay has used the spin move, which I have seen Po use. So hopefully we will see more from Po in the future.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
You and Clayton just have different definitions of "elite". Clayton gave his as this:

• Elite Division: These quarterbacks complete better than 60 percent of their passes, have 4,000-yard passing potential and demonstrate fourth-quarter comeback ability. These players can carry a team to the playoffs.


By Clayton's definition, all 32 starting QBs could conceivably be elite.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Can we have a new article please?

I don't particulasrly care for DAVIS' play on the football field, but salacious columns about his deportment off the field don't have to be headlined, and left up for extended periods either. It's not fair to him, very judgemental. Get on with the REDSKINS overall.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 7, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

So the chick is a groupie or known ho (NFL consultant). Fred davis wanted his turn approached her foul or weak and she played him and threw a drink in his face. So he goes and buys a drink to throw in her face while she's dancing with somebody else. she 'bout ready to beat his butt and bust her lip rolling over people trying to get back at him. Now, the situation seems realistic except dude 6-3 250. Unless old girl is really a tranny she is crazy as hell. Apparently the dude dancing with her realizes Davis is a big dude and does not intervene. but shows just how weak Fred davis is once again.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The geeks on this blog have ruined the Redskins Insider. This used to be a great blog back in the day, but now it really s*cks thanks to the regulars on here who almost never comment on the actual subject at hand. Thanks for ruining what was once the best blog on the WaPo site fellas.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't think of ELITE and GREAT as the same thing...however I do think ELITE should be narrowed down to maybe the top ten percent of ALL qbs in the league...which would be about 8 or 9.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Barno,
This post has been up since yesterday. How much more can RI posters be expected to comment on Davis' nightclub indicent, which is the actual subjuect at hand?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There is football this weekend:

jets v. colts

bal v. kc

saints v. hawks

gb v. phil


We take Jets/ballmer/saints/iggles.

The drama on the horizon is Eagles (vick) v. Falcons (the place he found fame and was booted from).

Stillers v. Ravens will be violent and good.

The 'hawks should not have a home game.

How does it all end?: ATL v. NE

ATL wins it all in an upset.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 7, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

moe, I'm going, Colts, Ravens, Saints, Packers....I think the pack has a shot to make it to the super bowl...get Aaron Rogers cranked, and that offense rolling, and they'll be hard to stop...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

MAngini to Cardinals DC

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 9:42 AM


No chance...he's got no ties to Whisenhunt and nobody in their right mind would trust that guy after how he did Belichick with the whole Spygate sh*t. He'll go to the college ranks and work his way back, if at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 10:09 AM

But Wiz can't keep firing DCs....this is his last chance...So he needs to think outside of the box...

Mangenius!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

By Clayton's definition, all 32 starting QBs could conceivably be elite.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 10:46 AM


Exactly...he focuses on what a guy COULD be, or MIGHT be instead of what they are. Only 3 QBs fit that criteria CONSISTENTLY and that's Brees, Brady, and Manning. Just because guys like Ryan and Flacco MIGHT be as good as those three SOMEDAY, that doesn't make them elite in the here and now. By Clayton's logic, Andrew Luck is already elite despite not even being in the league yet...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

How does it all end?: ATL v. NE

ATL wins it all in an upset.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 7, 2011 10:56 AM

This is how PlayAction has it going as well...so it's very likely that it is completely wrong.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

But Wiz can't keep firing DCs....this is his last chance...So he needs to think outside of the box...

Mangenius!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2011 11:01 AM


If Mangini is the only thing keeping him from being fired, then he's already done...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Fate only gives a generation about 2, maybe 3 really good quarterbacks every 10 or 15 years. Those Qb's are Manning and Brady for this generation, maybe Brees if he wins another title or 2.

Is Bradford the start of the next generation? Maybe Luck? I don't know, but obviously one of this franchises BIGGEST problems is not being able to bring in an ELITE, GREAT, GOOD, or even HALF-WAY-DECENT QB.

If Luck is the man, we should trade the kitchen sink to get him. If he really is gonna be ELITE, then he'll find a way to get it done no matter what talent is around him.

It's gonna take at least 2 years to get the peices of the 3-4 defense in place anyway, maybe that long to put an decent OLine together. Even if it's not Luck, let's say it's Devlin from Delaware, I don't care, just grab a young guy and start him from day 1, we'll be contenders in a few years, that's if Danny Boy has learned ANYTHING at all and grew some patience!

SAVE THE DOLPHINS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"NFL Consultant"=knob polisher. She probably works on the Block in Balt and moonlights in the alleys off L street on her off nights...typical groupie scum.

Posted by: opticlguy | January 7, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

(S1)Sleepy One Fred Davis. Love it.
Are the Shannys going to be getting the tape for "evaluation" purposes?

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

See, if we had traded Fred Davis for that Swedish kicker Hamm Sandvitch, none of this would have happened!

SAVE THE MONKEYS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

You know that Luck is staying in school, right?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Bonk Bonk

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

And remember JUST SAY NO to a qb in the early rounds.

Its funny Andrews dad Ollie told a bunch of WV alumni that his boy would be staying but everyone just though it was proper "dad" talk for a kid in college. Still his decision dosent suprise me that much. This just makes it dumber for us to get a QB as the value in this class just took a serious hit.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Alan, I looked at the first dozen or so comments and barely saw anything about this incident. Was not reading this thread because I wanted to hear more about Zeke's unique perspectives or about Orakpo's progress, I'll tell you that much.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The young woman texted message literally when this was happening very very early that morning. The police may have fudged a bit here as the report isn't in alignment with the circumstances of what happened.

Posted by: TruthTeller16 | January 7, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Fight on the dance floor? I think Fred could take her.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 7, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Fargo1 should keep his moronic opinions to himself. No one cares what he thinks.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

this article doesn't even begin to be newsworthy. Oh well, since their football playing isn't worth writing about, I guess you have to dig up what you can.

Posted by: tigger0705 | January 10, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Geeze, Jason, this is the BEST you can come up with???????
You definitely belong writing about the Skins.

Hey, if she can pass and catch too, sign the bim! She can't be any more of a retard than he is.

Posted by: burro2 | January 10, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I have been teaching long enough so that any NFL player under the age of 28 could have been a student of mine. When these young men find themselves in such unfavorable predicaments I want to pop them upside the back of their heads like a nun and say, "What were you thinking?"

Guys in their 20's are stupid; we know this. I'm sure in some officer's club on some military base you have 20+ year old fighter pilots acting just as stupidly. Yet just like public servants, professional athletes must accept surrendering some of their freedoms as a consequence for their celebrity/profession. NFL teams may be wise to hire 'team moms,' or these agents better develop better mentoring talents so as to protect their assets. The combination of athleticism, visibility, and money are dangerous for anyone let alone 20+ year olds; being out in public we've seen too many times makes you more of a target. If I were an agent I would relate to my clients as much as a parent as a customer, because young men in their 20's still need parental guidance during this next important stage of their lives, ages 18 through 30.
Players: stay out 'da clubs. If you're looking for women, go to church. Garner attention for what you do on the field, but be guarded and private off of it.

Posted by: pdexiii | January 11, 2011 2:11 AM | Report abuse

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