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What ever happened to Fred Davis?

By Jason Reid

Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns.

During the offseason, Redskins coaches said the team planned to use more two-tight end sets, so Davis and tight end Chris Cooley were both expected to have big seasons. Cooley quickly emerged as one of quarterback Donovan McNabb's favorite targets and is among the league leaders at his position, with 39 receptions for 440 yards and two touchdowns.

What's happened to Davis?

"I guess that's a good question," Davis said. "I mean, that's hard, I don't really know the answer to that question, because I don't really question anything that they [the coaches] do. I just roll with it and try to stay positive. It's a business. I don't understand what it is. ... I guess they want to see other looks or do other things.

"There are some times in games where we're both in there. But when think about ... two-tight end sets, I mean, there's just not going to be too many opportunities where both guys make plays. When you look at teams that do that a lot, one guy usually makes a lot of plays and one guy usually blocks. That's just the way it is."

Davis emerged as a force in the passing game after Cooley's 2009 season was cut short by a fractured ankle he suffered on Oct. 26 against the Philadelphia Eagles. In the final 10 games, Davis had 41 receptions for 463 yards and a career-high six touchdowns. Overall, the former Southern California star finished third on the team with 48 receptions for 509 yards.

Davis possesses Pro Bowl talent, some within the organization say. And he still could emerge as a major contributor in the final eight games. But Davis acknowledged things have not clicked yet for him this season, and he's not sure they will.

"There have been chances out there. There have been chances out there to make plays," Davis said. "It's just been either a lack of blocking on a play where I could have got a ball, or something else doesn't go right. Watching film, there's probably three or four passes a game that I could probably get. But I don't get 'em because maybe the blocking was wrong or he [McNabb] threw to someone else. It's just always something like that.

"And then when you don't have that many opportunities already, and those chances right there are your only ones, it's tough. I was feeling like there weren't opportunities, but then I see them watching film. So, you know, it's just really tough. I'm just going to stay ready. I think I'm going to be in there playing, but I don't feel really connected to the game. I feel more connected when I'm making plays and stuff. But when that's not the case, you've just got to block hard and do the other things that they trust me do to. Just do 'em as well as I can and just try to be ready if it happens."


By Jason Reid  | November 10, 2010; 1:45 PM ET
Categories:  Chris Cooley, Fred Davis  
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What happended are those g.o.t.d.a.m.n. Shanahans. They obviously can't recognize real talent. Thus, Davis is not getting many plays called for him. Notice that he often is the blocker in the two-tight end sets because of Cooley's lack of ability as a blocker. They're just hellbent on ridding the roster of anything brought here by Cerratto. Talented or not....

Posted by: delfranklin4 | November 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I've seen the "photos" of Nessie and Bigfoot, and I gotta say it is much more compelling stuff than the Galloway/Roydell rumor.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

That's funny, p 1(st)

Posted by: frediefritz | November 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

What about the drops that hit you square in the hands, Sleepy?

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | November 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

First to say J Reid likes guys!!!!

Posted by: 428Maverick | November 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse


Zorn-a-Han

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2010 1:02 PM |
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if you had to choose between zorn or shanahan to be your head coach, who's it going to be ?

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

How about an estimate of the number of yards and TDs related to FD's drops this year? Some of them were pretty blatant.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | November 10, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What happended are those g.o.t.d.a.m.n. Shanahans. They obviously can't recognize real talent. Thus, Davis is not getting many plays called for him. Notice that he often is the blocker in the two-tight end sets because of Cooley's lack of ability as a blocker. They're just hellbent on ridding the roster of anything brought here by Cerratto. Talented or not....

Posted by: delfranklin4 | November 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you really blame them for wanting to dismantle a team that was 4-12, and 6-18 over a year and a half stretch?

There obviously is SOME talent here from Vinny and Co., but I prefer to call that 'dumb luck'. I really hope people don't believe that the Shanahans have some personal vendatta against anyone drafted by Vinny, that's just dumb. If Davis isn't playing it's because he's not making plays or he's not practicing well.

Let's face it, Cooley is still the better TE of the two, at least as of right now. Can you honestly say you'd rather have Davis in there at the end of the game when we needed a catch the most over Cooley? I can't, anybody else?

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Tyrod Taylor could be a good NFL QB? I kinda think he is underrated. Could be a good student for Mc5. That is, if Mc5 is still here.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

They're just hellbent on ridding the roster of anything brought here by Cerratto. Talented or not....

Posted by: delfranklin4 | November 10, 2010 1:51 PM

That explains it! I was wondering why we never see Orakpo on the field anymore. Thanks, franks.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Listening to ESPN980. Vegas just pulled the Georgia v. Auburn off the board as a big time gambler laid a large chunk of $$ on Georgia. Seems the rumor out there is that Newton won't be playing this weekend. Is this a case of where there's smoke there's fire.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

No mystery here.

You can count the catches, or you can count the drops.

If you drop too many, the coaches start calling somebody else's number.

Want to see something funny? How about watching Davis and Rogers play "catch" during pre-game warmups?

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ha-ha. Good one. "Never before seen formations." The reason they weren't seen before is because they wouldn't have worked.

Maybe this is what you believed, but I thought what they were bringing was a new, professional culture and they've delivered. I thought they'd put the players in a position to win. And, they've delivered.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 1:45 PM

Gibbs 2.0 brought those things, and a lot of people were still saying the game passed him by (I wasn't one of those).

I expected more offense from the Shanahans though, and I'm not the only one.

This from Rick Maese back in July:

Prediction: One of Mike Shanahan's best attributes as a head coach is that he's consistently adapted to his personnel, and it's a safe guess that he doesn't view two good pass-catching tight ends as a burden. In fact, look for him and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan to use their tight ends in ways that no teams have even attempted before.

There's a couple of reasons to anticipate this. First, most teams don't carry a pair of tight ends with such similar skill sets. But perhaps more pertinent is the Redskins' lack of depth at the wide receiver position. With only Santana Moss as a consistent, proven
threat, the offense will likely rely more on tight ends coming off play-action or bootlegs than it has in years past. Plus, quarterback Donovan McNabb has had great success targeting tight ends in the past, and for whatever criticisms he takes for his accuracy, McNabb has never struggled to find an open tight end.


Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Would it kill you to mention who exactly in the organization said they believe FD has Pro Bowl talent?

That's not an inflammatory or secretive statement, so why not quote someone?

If it's the lunch lady then I would take it one way. If it's Mike Shanahan or Jim Haslett then I'd take it a different way.

Reid...You are not a character in a John Grisham novel where if you quote your secret source they will be executed by the mafia or CIA. You are a low end locker room beat guy....start acting like it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Fred Davis?

Isn't this a question for the coaches? What can Sleepy do? But he has sqaundered a few opportunities, which might have diminished the coaches faith in him at this time.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe pabrian is right...and all of us are wrong.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

That would be a NIGHTMARE!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Davis possesses Pro Bowl talent, some within the organization say

By Jason Reid | November 10, 2010; 1:45 PM ET

Oh no, Davis has Cooley tied up in his basement, call SWAT.......

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse


Davis possesses Pro Bowl talent, some within the organization say.

ufb?

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this a question for the coaches? What can Sleepy do? But he has sqaundered a few opportunities, which might have diminished the coaches faith in him at this time.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 2:08 PM

So what in blue blazes do Galloway and Williams have to do to diminish the coaches faith in them? Run directly to the sideline and drink Gatorade after the snap?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Rodeyell doesn't get many, if he gets any offensive snaps at all. And Galloway's on the field snaps have been diminishing.....

Possible tell sign?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

alan, hahaha...nicely done...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Tyrod Taylor could be a good NFL QB? I kinda think he is underrated. Could be a good student for Mc5. That is, if Mc5 is still here.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

A million times no. And I'm a Hokie fan, just went to the Thursday night game against GA Tech. Tyrod (or T-Mobile as we like to call him) is a great college qb, he will never be a good pro. He doesn't read defenses, he consistently throws late to receivers, he is inaccurate, has terrible footwork as a passer, is jittery in the pocket, and is basically a primary read or run guy. That said, he is electric in the open field and can make people miss, his future is at receiver in the pros. One play (out of many over throws like Cole wide open by 15 yards overthrown by 10 and misreads) in particular was perfect evidence Thursday night. In the 3rd quarter out of a 3 wide set they basically sent all three receivers on skinny post routes and had David Wilson on a circle route underneath. Roberts on the outside was his primary read, the defense dropped deep Tyrod didn't see that Boykins in the seem broke wide open would have been an easy 25 yards didn't see that Wilson was wide open on the circle route for an easy dump off for a first down, instead he stared at Roberts, scrambled right to avoid pressure after 6 seconds, Roberts eventually broke off his route coming back to Taylor along the sideline and Tyrod then skipped a pass to his feet....incomplete punt. Don't get me wrong, I love Tyrod, but his athleticism overcomes a lot of bad decisions and poor QB play, that won't happen at the next level.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the real issue here is still the offensive line and offensive unit cohesion. It is tough to involve all of your offensive weapons and new schemes (2 tight ends as pass catchers) if the core stuff is still a struggle. Until the team is set with young healthy studs across the offensive line, I doubt all the skill players will be used to their greatest potential.

Posted by: murrayh | November 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The man takes absolutely no responsibility for his actions.

And The Mayo just coddles him further.

If there's any trade value in Sleepy, cut dead weight.

I'm not saying he isn't talented, I'm saying he's got no heart.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

In contrast, the jints go with a FB and their TEs are more blocking sorts ... and their offense is much better.


This is where I am.

If we aren't getting true production from Galloway or Williams, you have to ask how we lose out by using Fred Davis as a 'big' receiver?

Among the other trends league-wide is the sudden explosion of 'flexed' or athletic tight ends (look at Witten, Carlsen, Pettigrew, Clark, Gates, Moeki, the Hernandez kid in NE or a healthy Finley in Green Bay).

I'd druther see Sellars or Paulsen blocking, and Fred Davis getting lined like Galloway.

Use Davis like a receiver and let others block.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

If you drop too many, the coaches start calling somebody else's number.


Moss, Galloway, Cooley, and Armstrong have also had drops.

So do we stop calling their numbers?

Didn't think so.

Feature Fred Davis as a 'flexed' or H-back receiver seeing how we really have no other 3rd receiving threat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked, Fred Davis is a 3rd year tight end, not second.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 10, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

moe, couldn't agree more....I mean, its not like he could do less than what the team gets from Galloway/Williams...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And Galloway's on the field snaps have been diminishing.....

True.

He wasn't on the field at all this past Sunday.

But then again, how can you tell?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


So what in blue blazes do Galloway and Williams have to do to diminish the coaches faith in them? Run directly to the sideline and drink Gatorade after the snap?


Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 2:17 PM |

alan, I feel your pain

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

if you had to choose between zorn or shanahan to be your head coach, who's it going to be ?

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a trick question, right?

Posted by: cosmofla | November 10, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

if you had to choose between zorn or shanahan to be your head coach, who's it going to be ?

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a trick question, right?

Posted by: cosmofla | November 10, 2010 3:00 PM

I still have trouble choosing between chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns."

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isn't five alarm fred in his 3rd year???

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe –

Agree with the need for a third receiver -- but not sure that Davis will ever be the true answer.

Also understand what you’re saying about the other receivers, but some drops are more egregious than others.

In last game alone, Davis dropped at least two in the clutch -- including one “sure” TD.

Seems to be a repeating pattern for him, and not exactly the best way to enamor yourself with a coach who values perfection –- or at least continuing effort and commitment to improving your game.

Even by his own admission, Davis often feels less “connected” than some might like.

And one recurring knock on him is a reported lack of preparation and/or need for lots of remedial training from the coaching staff to get him "connected" and ready for his opportunities.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse


"Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns."

isn't five alarm fred in his 3rd year???

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM |

let's give him a chance, he's so talented

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

People up here wailing the blues for "poor" Fred Davis sound like the same people wailing the blues for Devin Thomas.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What happended are those g.o.t.d.a.m.n. Shanahans. They obviously can't recognize real talent. Thus, Davis is not getting many plays called for him. Notice that he often is the blocker in the two-tight end sets because of Cooley's lack of ability as a blocker. They're just hellbent on ridding the roster of anything brought here by Cerratto. Talented or not....

Posted by: delfranklin4 | November 10, 2010 1:51 PM

It's statements and reactions like these that make me wonder if people watch games at all. Davis is a TERRIBLE blocker. Cooley is MUCH better and overall a decent blocker. I would say instead of questioning the Shanny's eye for talent question your own eyes, as in have them checked, because you are blind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I still have trouble choosing between chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Um, you're making me hungry. Hey beep, what kind of dipping sauce you selling with those fries of yours? By the way, he keeps it up and Fred Davis will be working right along side of you!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Galloway, Cooley, and Armstrong have also had drops.

So do we stop calling their numbers?

Didn't think so.

Feature Fred Davis as a 'flexed' or H-back receiver seeing how we really have no other 3rd receiving threat.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Exactly Moe. I've seen Galloway make no effort what so ever on 2 INTs by DM. The caoches continue to roll his old azz out there. Makes no sense......

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

wow....can't fix stupid....thats just yikes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton: 3 schools in 3 years. Officially/Unofficially out of the Heisman and turning pro.

Tremendous talent but I wouldn't go anywhere near him in the draft. It's not just the off the field nonsense, no way this kid is even 3 yrs away from being a NFL starter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 10, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

trudat, beeps.

USC sucks.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Beep,

Devin Thomas is killing it in Carolina so leave him alone, he caught so many balls and ran so fast last week that nobody even saw him.

As far as Davis goes it's tough to get two TE involved in the passing game, one normaly blocks and one goes out for passes. Hopefully we see more of him in the second half.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"And one recurring knock on him is a reported lack of preparation and/or need for lots of remedial training from the coaching staff to get him "connected" and ready for his opportunities."


Posted by: Vic1

That's BS Vic....

That was Zoron's reason for not playing him and when he played, we saw how it worked out. I'm sure his "remedial" training is the same training that the Shanny's want to give McNabb.


Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

'Fred Davis has pro-bowl talent'.

You have to be an EFFING idiot to make this kind of statement. What a jack-a$$.

Fred Davis can't block and can't catch the effing ball when it hits him between the numbers.

Fred Davis has clipboard-carrying talent.
I would love to eat my words in the second half of the season, but if i was a bettin' man...

Posted by: cosmofla | November 10, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

When you drop three or four 10-20 yard passes that hit you in the hands and you're standing in the end zone, hey surprise surprise, you start moving down the depth chart.

Not every tight end can catch, but pretty much every tight end can block. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: unclelonghair | November 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Davis is a TERRIBLE blocker. Cooley is MUCH better and overall a decent blocker. I would say instead of questioning the Shanny's eye for talent question your own eyes, as in have them checked, because you are blind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010

Not so sure about that scamp, and I watch them all. I think they both are below average blockers. They both have had horrible misses in their blocking assignments. There's a reason that Logan Paulsen is on the roster.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Monday night...late in the 3rd quarter...Anthony Armstrong takes a punt from his 24 yard line...finds a nice hole near the right hash mark...evading two would be tacklers...make a nice spin to avoid a third...skips over the punters desperate attempt to save the score...scoots down the right sideline seemingly headed for a sure touchdown...only to inexplicably stumble and step out of bounds at the Eagles 7 yard line. It takes Ryan Torain only two rushing attempts to punch it in from there. The Redskins go up 17 to 13, never trailing again...eventually winning the game 24 to 20.

Book it! (or whatever you kids are saying nowadays)

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Fred Davis winds up in Seattle next year

Posted by: coparker5 | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Terrance Austin? Is he still on the PS. Why can't we activate him for 2 weeks while Banks is out and see if he can contribute something? We know what Roydell can do. Which is nothing.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the two TE sets are in the half of the playbook McNabb can't remember.

Posted by: TBDog | November 10, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

People up here wailing the blues for "poor" Fred Davis sound like the same people wailing the blues for Devin Thomas.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:12 PM
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That's unfair. Fred Davis has done more on the field than Devin Thomas ever did. Remember how Fred was catching them in the preseason? The guy looked really good, but, that was playing in place of Cooley and not beside Cooley. I know he's missed some opportunities, but the big deal with Davis is he hasn't been on the field that much because there just haven't run that many plays with two tight ends. And let's face it: if you have to choose between a pro-bowl tight end and Fred Davis, Fred is going to sit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse


It's statements and reactions like these that make me wonder if people watch games at all. Davis is a TERRIBLE blocker. Cooley is MUCH better and overall a decent blocker. I would say instead of questioning the Shanny's eye for talent question your own eyes, as in have them checked, because you are blind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 3:13 PM |

STOP IT FROM SPINNING

what's another year, f u c k it, bring back DT11

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we activate him for 2 weeks while Banks is out and see if he can contribute something?

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM

I don't think anyone on here can activate him...with the exception of maybe beep-beep...but good idea.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we activate him for 2 weeks while Banks is out and see if he can contribute something? We know what Roydell can do. Which is nothing.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM

Let me ask you this. Mike Shanahan has seen everything that you've seen. Plus he sees all these guys, including Austin, everyday in practice. Now if you've both seen the same things, except he's seen more, why do you think he has a different opinion than you do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure about that scamp, and I watch them all. I think they both are below average blockers. They both have had horrible misses in their blocking assignments. There's a reason that Logan Paulsen is on the roster.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2010 3:28 PM |

Whateves, point is Fred has had some misses that were so glaringly obvious (extra point) that they were embarassing. We all know the guy has talent but so far this year he has lookes like a plate full of twice crapped burritos.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I still have trouble choosing between chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM


If only someone would combine the two in a hermetically-sealed, highly-portable and inexpensive package.


Alas.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

but so far this year he has lookes like a plate full of twice crapped burritos.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 3:34 PM

I've never seen that...but I'm sure its not very good!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It's statements and reactions like these that make me wonder if people watch games at all. Davis is a TERRIBLE blocker. Cooley is MUCH better and overall a decent blocker. I would say instead of questioning the Shanny's eye for talent question your own eyes, as in have them checked, because you are blind.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

co-friggin sign.

No question in my mind Freddy has talent.
However, in big boy football if you don't make plays you sit. It's mind-boggling to listen to people suggest Shanny is an idiot becuase he doesn't play this underachieving waste of a draft pick(to date).

He is NOT a wide reciever, so don't gimme the bs about playing him for Galloway and Reynolds.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 10, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is this the Best RI can do today? To much slumming going around....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask you this. Mike Shanahan has seen everything that you've seen. Plus he sees all these guys, including Austin, everyday in practice. Now if you've both seen the same things, except he's seen more, why do you think he has a different opinion than you do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:33 PM

Seriously?

He's also seen Galloway, Williams, and Lichtensteiger. His hand picked players. Are you really going to argue that they contribute anything to this team winning? You don't have to be an NFL coach to see that the pass protection has gotten considerably worse since Lichtensteiger has replaced Dockery. He was shoved back into the backfield or just beat clean on almost every pass last game.

If Austin contributed nothing to the offense it would be exactly the same as what Williams has.

Plus he returned punts and kickoffs and with him we would not have to put our second best WR Armstrong back there and risk injury.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

He is NOT a wide reciever, so don't gimme the bs about playing him for Galloway and Reynolds.

right, because you wouldn't want to interrupt the offensive juggernaut that is Joey Galloway....Lord knows that given how the team is scoring, you simply don't change anything....

Is that Burt Reynolds, or who were you referring to as "reynolds"...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse


No question in my mind Freddy has talent.
However, in big boy football if you don't make plays you sit. It's mind-boggling to listen to people suggest Shanny is an idiot becuase he doesn't play this underachieving waste of a draft pick(to date).

He is NOT a wide reciever, so don't gimme the bs about playing him for Galloway and Reynolds.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 10, 2010 3:39 PM |

excellent work,

it's the same with DT11, people still think he has TALENT. folks, let the 2008 draft class go and let's get it on

build thru the draft, then aquire the final pieces thru FA's to create a championship dynasty

got that snyder


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Now if you've both seen the same things, except he's seen more, why do you think he has a different opinion than you do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:33 PM

Seriously?

He's also seen Galloway, Williams, and Lichtensteiger. His hand picked players. Are you really going to argue that they contribute anything to this team winning? You don't have to be an NFL coach to see that the pass protection has gotten considerably worse since Lichtensteiger has replaced Dockery. He was shoved back into the backfield or just beat clean on almost every pass last game.

If Austin contributed nothing to the offense it would be exactly the same as what Williams has.

Plus he returned punts and kickoffs and with him we would not have to put our second best WR Armstrong back there and risk injury.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 3:46 PM

Blah, blah, blah. If you can't answer the question just don't post about it. Let me try this again: Why do you think that you and Shanahan have different opinions?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick will not play the entire game on Monday, expect more of the same from our defense, he will be knocked out; this could easily turn out to be a body bad game2. I'm expecting Landry to lay at least one vicious hit on Vick. Skins by 3 points 27-24

Posted by: abxinc | November 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I still have trouble choosing between chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:03 PM

If only someone would combine the two in a hermetically-sealed, highly-portable and inexpensive package.

Alas.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 10, 2010 3:37 PM

Don't beat around the bush zilla...is there something I need to know about? Please don't tell me that I can enjoy BOTH chocolate and peanut butter at the same time!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I wouldn't put it past ShanaRed to be up to something in a lot of cases on the team. What I mean is this:

He'll play guys he wants to increase value on... In order to trade them for picks in the future. The other guys, talented, yes, who don't play, are losing value every week they draw a blank. Bargaining leverage.

Now, admittedly, I am here again trying to ascribe SANE and SOUND motives to what SEEMS like inept coaching/management.

Let's hope I am right. I see Fred Davis as a legit pass-catching TE. I never saw Shannon Sharpe as much of a blocker, either. If the O Line is fixed, which is priority ONE, a great blocking TE is not something you lean on.

For what it's worth, I'm not sold on Shanahan. I've said it many times. The Danny is in an awkward situation, but, to me, Cowher is the most proven SANE coach out there. He would be worth drastic upheaval, in my opinion. I don't see it happening though. Let's hope Shanny can stumble upon a solid offensive formula soon. I aint holdin my breath.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick will not play the entire game on Monday, expect more of the same from our defense, he will be knocked out; this could easily turn out to be a body bag game2. I'm expecting Landry to lay at least one vicious hit on Vick. Skins by 3 points 27-24

Posted by: abxinc | November 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

trade him for a draft pick

trade him for a draft pick

trade him for a draft pick

trade him for a draft pick

Posted by: leedisantis | November 10, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"It's a business. I don't understand what it is. ... I guess they want to see other looks or do other things."

I like Sleepy, but he does sound just as clueless as Thomas did. How about just going over and asking the coaches what you can do to improve and get more pt? Do you think they are keeping it a secret, Fred?

Posted by: NYPDee | November 10, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick will not play the entire game on Monday, expect more of the same from our defense, he will be knocked out; this could easily turn out to be a body bad game2. I'm expecting Landry to lay at least one vicious hit on Vick. Skins by 3 points 27-24

Posted by: abxinc | November 10, 2010 3:52 PM
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co-signed, by iH8dallas.

Just increase our margin of victory by 30pts and put Andy Reid and DeSean Jackson in the hospital by halftime.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all the folks saying Davis is dropping passes everywhere. How many has Cooley dropped? If he gets 3 passes thrown to him and drops one of them, all of a sudden he can't catch the ball? Give the guy more opportunities, and its not like the drops he's had have been great throws. He needs to be on the field more, period.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 10, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Just another example of a player not fitting the almighty system that the Shanahan's brought to town.

But Casey Rabach and Kory Lichtensteiger fit the system, right?

Ha! Let's keep laughing over that one.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | November 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah, blah. If you can't answer the question just don't post about it. Let me try this again: Why do you think that you and Shanahan have different opinions?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

My point was maybe Shanahan’s opinion is not 100% correct. Sorry I didn’t simplify my post for you. By your argument Spurrier, Zorn and Vinnie saw the players in practice every day and nobody including yourself had any problems questioning them. If your argument is that he see’s them every day in practice so his opinion of a player’s ability can’t be wrong you’ve got to be kidding me. He won two SB’s with a HOF QB and Terelle Davis who would have been a HOF RB if he stayed healthy. What did Shanny do in the following 12 years that makes you think he is incapable of judging talent incorrectly or making bad coaching decisions?

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 10, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns

How does a 4-4 team have 9 games?

Posted by: wireman65 | November 10, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Davis is in his 3rd year.

Posted by: msveasey | November 10, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Cam Newton: 3 schools in 3 years. Officially/Unofficially out of the Heisman and turning pro. "

Turned pro. Past tense. Now let's all pretend he's the ONLY one ...

Posted by: zimbar | November 10, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns

How does a 4-4 team have 9 games?"

Apparently the latest WaPo scoop is that the NFL has a 31 game season with a really long break. Davis' second season started last December, with nothing but bye weeks until game 2 this past September.

Posted by: zimbar | November 10, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What's he complaining about? He DROPPED two 2-point conversions that hit him square in the hands in the game vs. the Lions. If McNabb is in his right mind, no more passes should be thrown Davis' way.

Period.

Posted by: dc1020008 | November 10, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and btw, look for Shanny Sr. to take over the play-calling duties from Shanny Jr. here or in the next game.

I'm not too impressed with Kyle.

Posted by: dc1020008 | November 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

THE OFFENSE CANNOT EXECUTE AND SUSTAIN DRIVES BECAUSE "OUR LINE" WILL NOT ALLOW IT. DONOVAN CANT GET IN A RHYTHYM, THEREFORE FRED WILL NOT SEE MANY BALLS. YOUR NOT ALONE, FRED.

Posted by: matthewrayman | November 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

cooley is a so-called white man he drops passes and has fumbled the ball over the years, davis is bigger stronger and faster than cooley, too bad bigots and some morons here wrote if you drop passes you don't see the ball, well creeps lets apply that to inept starters like litchensteiger and rabach they can neither run or pass block but they are still starting and getting mcnabb buried, you can throw in the back up doughty who could not cover his azz with a pair of 50xx bloomers. don't look for washington to win against eagles and vick will play the entire game mcnabb has a better chance of getting knocked out of the game because of the DIC-tater's favorites: numbers 78 & 61, eagles have too many weapons and better team they can be beaten but the head moron here is too bigoted and dumb.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 10, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Freddy is Rogers twin brother... if both could catch. They would be pro-bowlers.

Posted by: samiismoni14 | November 10, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If McNabb got benched in the last game, does that mean Fred Davis is under the bench/on his way out? Why on earth hasn't he been involved in the offense if they're struggling as much as they have? I would think all hands are on deck for the offense. Oh wait, that's sensible thinking and I'm not convinced Kyle can think for himself.

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 10, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Can Davis block? Put his behind in pass protection (or QB protection) and make him earn a paycheck!

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Davis won't be a Redskin next year. Book it.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | November 10, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

They should've traded one of tbe TEs for a decent interior offensive lineman.

Posted by: Redskinrex | November 10, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of people saying that cooley is a good blocker since when? Oh I know you heard it during a game. Cooley lacks heart and it shows when he doesn't get the ball. The guy has talent but we seem to forget about his problem of putting the ball on the turf and whiffing on blocks. Don't trust me just go and review the games. Stop defending the Shanahans. They are making stupid decisions like our oline and keeping galloway and roydell. Banks remember didn't make it at first and then they picked him up. Wait he had trouble holding on to the ball but he has been given a second chance now so should Fred Davis.

Posted by: t_bobbitt27284 | November 11, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

"Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns."

4-4= 9 games. That Jason Reid is all over it. lol

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | November 11, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about contracts of Cooley or Davis but if they'd work, I say dangle Cooley in the offseason for a starting OL.

Posted by: kone | November 11, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about contracts of Cooley or Davis but if they'd work, I say dangle Cooley in the offseason for a young starting OL.

Posted by: kone | November 11, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about contracts of Cooley or Davis but if they'd work, I say dangle Cooley in the offseason for a young starting OL. Cooley won't be around to see better days anyway.

Posted by: kone | November 11, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

sorry for dups...

Posted by: kone | November 11, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think that they are making this way too hard.

I mean if you would just put davis on the backside of formations and let him do simple out's, in's, or iso-routes, he'll beat 70% of all LB's and 50% of all safeties....also double tights make the line have to thin out , which should open some natural holes in the running game...moreover...use him as the third receiver, make either a lb or a safety come up, then maybe you can start going down town again...sheesh....stop making this so difficult..

Posted by: impervious99 | November 11, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

your a good player but when you got a cahnce you havent made the plays.Eagles game you fell down on a wide open touchdown and against detriot in the red zone the ball hit you hands then went out of bounce even thought it was thrown hard thats was your chance

Posted by: dewon1986 | November 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Honestly Reid, do everyone a favor and fire yourself. Through nine games??? We are 4-4 unless me magically either lost or won a game over the bye week. You suck and the only thing you ever do is cry about everything. Seriously quit watching the Skins if you are just gonna be a little cry baby about everything.

Posted by: RedskinStalker | November 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Funny how his own pass dropping doesn't get mentioned as being a problem. He sounds sleepy when he talks, and looks lethargic in his receiving attempts.

Posted by: mcmanigle | November 11, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Davis drops passes, like Madonna Drops her drawers,,, All The Time.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | November 11, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Another example of trying to get players to suit a system rather than creating a system that suits its players. I want a coach to coach players, not cuddle his playbook that lives in an ideal world.

Posted by: jaguar2490 | November 11, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

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