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A Clinton Portis-Larry Johnson backfield: What's it all about?

With Friday's signing of Larry Johnson, the Redskins' top two backs are Clinton Portis and Johnson. Wow.

There are a million directions, if not more, I could take this post about those two and their history. It might be more productive, however, to simply focus on what such a tandem could mean for Washington's backfield.

Johnson, as I'm sure most astute Insider readers are well aware, was a classic power runner in his prime. In fact, earlier this decade, Johnson was second to none as a downhill runner.

His punishing style and above-average speed for a back his size (he's listed at 6 feet 1, 230 pounds) helped Johnson rush for more than 1,700 yards with at least 17 rushing touchdowns in consecutive seasons (2005-06) for the Kansas City Chiefs. And what some forget is that Johnson was a productive receiver out of the backfield, averaging more than 10 yards per catch on 74 receptions combined his top two seasons.

Moreover, Johnson did not experience the wear and tear most backs - especially power backs - face early in his career because of the presence of Priest Holmes, whom Johnson initially backed up as a rookie. Johnson played a bigger role in the offense his second season as Holmes was slowed because of injuries and eventually supplanted his former backfield partner as the Chiefs' No. 1 back.

The Redskins could ultimately benefit from Johnson's shared workload for several seasons with Holmes in Kansas City. Although 30, typically an age when most running backs approach the downside of their careers, Johnson has not been overworked despite having seasons of 336 and 416 rushes, respectively, during the 2005-06 seasons. In his first seven seasons, Johnson had 1,421 rushes and 154 receptions for 1,575 total plays from scrimmage, according to NFL.com.

In comparison, Portis, who has played eight seasons, has 2,176 carries and 242 catches for 2,418 official touches. That's 843 more plays from scrimmage than Johnson in only one more season.

Obviously, Portis didn't share the load early in his career with the Denver Broncos or when he was traded to Washington (probably much to Ladell Betts's dismay), and he appeared to have lost a lot at the beginning of last season. Of course, Portis might have had more of a burst had he reported to camp in better shape, but who really knows?
The key for the Redskins is that Johnson should have something left. Washington apparently hopes Johnson's off-field problems have been the biggest factor in derailing his career - not diminishing skills.

"When you look at Mike Shanahan's offense and the history of what he's done for running backs, Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis ... it's a great place to be a running back," Johnson's agent, Peter Schaffer, said in a phone interview. "There's no doubt about it."

Most of the backs who have thrived under Shanahan, however, have been cutback runners. Shanahan's zone-blocking schemes in Denver, a longtime NFL offensive line coach said recently, were best suited for guys with nifty feet and great vision capable of quick cuts.

Johnson is known for being a downhill runner. That doesn't mean Johnson is incapable of making adjustments. Shanahan was eager to sign Johnson, so he must believe he can make it work with Johnson and Portis.

For his part, Portis has been saying all the right things this offseason. He has told Shanahan he's totally committed to the team's new offseason program that begins Monday at Redskins Park, people familiar with the situation said recently, and hopes to revive his career after missing the final eight games because of lingering effects from a concussion.

And even if things don't work out for Portis and the Portis-Johnson experiment fails, Portis is still guaranteed $6.4 million of his $7.19-million base salary. Portis also is due a $500,000 roster bonus, so it's in his best interest to see if everything comes together well for him.

The Redskins still need a lot of help on their offensive line. Two positions are set with center Casey Rabach and left guard Derrick Dockery, and new Washington lineman Artis Hicks is expected to compete at right guard.

That leaves left tackle and right tackle still unfilled. Stephon Heyer started at right tackle last season and was tendered a contract offer, but I would be surprised if Heyer retained a first-team position.

Although there are many things still unclear as Shanahan reshapes the roster, the Redskins definitely have two big-name backs. Whether they're still capable of being big-producing backs, though, remains to be seen.

By Jason Reid  |  March 12, 2010; 7:57 PM ET
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Comments

First??

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 12, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone please tell me how this is a better pick up than Thomas Jones. Not trying to be cynical but someone who likes the move please explain.

Posted by: sire1 | March 12, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

In BA and shanny i trust, i guess.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 12, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, a first time for everything, I guess.
Hey, my concern is CP will pout if LJ is getting more carries than CP desires LJ receive.

When CP pouts, he becomes a cancer, collects his $ and whines, complains, murmurs in second half of next season.

Hope the duo works much smoother together.
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 12, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I think he averaged 4.6 yards a carry last year in cinncinatti. Not to bad... but so much for getting younger

Posted by: nate_snyder | March 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Someone please tell me how this is a better pick up than Thomas Jones. Not trying to be cynical but someone who likes the move please explain.

Posted by: sire1 | March 12, 2010 8:22 PM

Thomas Jones has 800 more carries and is guaranteed 5 mil. Plus Thomas Jones already signed with the Chiefs 3 days ago.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins wanted an old,slow,over-the-hill running back to wear #27 they should have called Eddie George.

Posted by: smittdiddy | March 12, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think Larry Johnson is a good addition to the Redskins?"

Not a very imaginative poll question. A better one might be:

"Which recently acquired RB will Larry Johnson most remind Redkins fans of?

Shaun Alexander
or
T.J.Duckett

Posted by: TheCork | March 12, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse


Someone please tell me how this is a better pick up than Thomas Jones. Not trying to be cynical but someone who likes the move please explain.

Posted by: sire1 | March 12, 2010 8:22 PM

Thomas Jones has 800 more carries and is guaranteed 5 mil. Plus Thomas Jones already signed with the Chiefs 3 days ago.

Thanks D44. I was aware of his signing. It just seems like he wasn't on their radar. Either way I'm on board regardless.

Posted by: sire1 | March 12, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

not much of a choice, there, cork, is there?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't think LJ is a Alexander or Duckett.
I certainly hope I am correct on this.
I think all they have in mind is there will NOT be a dominant RB starter next year.
But two guys they want to keep as fresh as possible, sharing the load, because as RBs age recovery time increases....

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 12, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think Larry Johnson is a good addition to the Redskins?"

Not a very imaginative poll question. A better one might be:

"Which recently acquired RB will Larry Johnson most remind Redkins fans of?

Shaun Alexander
or
T.J.Duckett

Posted by: TheCork | March 12, 2010 8:35 PM

C'mon Cork, I know you're trying to skew younger but...How about

Gerald Riggs
George Rogers

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Man, did you know they look at you whenever they want through those built-in webcams??..All digitals is suspect, cable and satellite, for sure..Larry is cheap because he's been an A**HOLE, I mean , I know that misogyny and gay-bashing kinda fit the testosterone driven macho world of football, but you gotta get a handle on that sh*t, it ain't right..My old best buddy was gay (and not BUTT-BUDDIES either, we kept the lines clear), he was dyin' of AIDS and od'ed on smack and fell out his 8th floor apartment window (Smack!!)...But the dude was hysterical and beautiful, tough as Hell, didn't die till three days later, you couldn't ask for a cooler dude..
You gotta let go of that baggage..

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Skinheads - your team will continue to suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Skinheads - your team will continue to suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 8:54 PM |

and so will yours you giant bag of dog jizz.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

ESPN thinks this signing stinks and I'm not sure I can disagree.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11990/does-larry-johnson-have-anything-left

I might have preferred the team sign some tackles, a guard, and a middle linebacker, and draft a quarterback, a running back and a flock of corners.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

One thing about gays, muthuhf***uhs party like its 1999, fer real..

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

ESPN thinks this signing stinks and I'm not sure I can disagree.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11990/does-larry-johnson-have-anything-left

I might have preferred the team sign some tackles, a guard, and a middle linebacker, and draft a quarterback, a running back and a flock of corners.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2010 8:57 PM

What do you expect from a dallas hack reporter who made it to the big time dallas network espn?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 12, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

and so will yours you giant bag of dog jizz.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 8:56 PM |

You warming up for the post game? Georgia Tech 62, Maryland 59 with four minutes to play.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I might have preferred the team sign some tackles, a guard, and a middle linebacker, and draft a quarterback, a running back and a flock of corners.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2010 8:57 PM |

Is FA's over? is the first game tomorrow?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

They just need these guys for 1 year ... 2 at the most until they can ***hopefully*** rebuild through the draft. The big thing to watch for is will they be able to make some trades to get additional picks? Everything else is just propping up the lean-to until younger talent arrives.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The most damaging part on Johnson is what he did with KC and what Jamaal Charles did when he got the job. Same OL, a MASSIVE difference in performance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 7:26 PM |

I just looked up Charles and by not going into the stats your point looks good but if you look at the stats your argument is flawed.

He rushed for over a 100 yards 5 times against the worst rush defensive teams in the league.

He had a 259 yard padded stats game against Denver whos run defense sucked last year.

He also only had 1 TD and 3 lost fumbles so stop making him out to be the next coming.

Posted by: Flounder21

LEARN TO READ, Flounder. Geez, I gotta learn to stop arguing with the illiterate.

Charles scored 8 TDs in 2009. He gained over 1100 yards rushing while starting about 1/2 the season. And averaged 5.9 per carry.

But I'm not saying Charles is great. I'm saying that 2 guys, playing the same position for the same team, turned in extremely different seasons. Charles had a big year, Johnson sucked.

Johnson's last great year was in 2006.

In the last 3 years, he's averaged well below 4 yards a carry, has 9 TDs and 8 fumbles. His only 100 yard game last year came against Cleveland -- 22 carries for 107 yards while playing for Cincy. In his other 13 games, he averaged UNDER 3 yds a carry.

I'll take Ganther or Cartwright over Johnson.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

What will "scamp" do if the Nats draft Deck McGuire?

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

You warming up for the post game? Georgia Tech 62, Maryland 59 with four minutes to play.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:02 PM |

I'm watching it. Pretty rough game.
Hey frak, give the gay love a rest will ya? We know that LJ can be a major d-bag but we don't really care until he starts causing problems here. Sorry about your buddy, that really sucks, but we don't need you touting the virtue's of the gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I love when Arizona fans bust on other teams. sorry azz franchise will go right back from where they came.

Posted by: rfsjms | March 12, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Johnson could be another Timmy Smith?

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I love when Arizona fans bust on other teams.

Posted by: rfsjms | March 12, 2010 9:08 PM

I luv when they figure out that there's an internet with "blogs". Everything's up to date in Phoenix!

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

zce,

He was available and cheap for what he will be used for, so whatever he did last year means nothing. I'm sure you are a great football mind, but I think Shanny knows a little more then you.

Considering it's done and we can't undo it lets move on or atleast I will.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

What will "scamp" do if the Nats draft Deck McGuire?

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 9:08 PM

He'll say "who gives a sh!t, baseball is for puzzies."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Just sayin', scamp...Don't need another a**hole coming to DC, though it is an institution...

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! I'm a Ramblin Reck from Georgia Tech and a helluva an engineer...

High five, scamp!

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, it was nice to have a WHOLE week of the Skins looking like they are attempting to move in the right direction. The honeymoon for Shanny and Allen my be officially coming to an end. I read comments about "short yardage" runner. Thats exactly what KC got out of him last season, 2.9 yards per rush. If he's still on the roster after camp...it'll be UGLY.
Still hoping this is just a bump in the road and not a sign of thigs to come. If not...we'll probly see TO signed next week and Bradford/Clausen taken at #4. Sad

Posted by: INIOWA | March 12, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

watched larry johnson twice last season still runs with power and hard to take down he is in SHAPE many here claim you want downhill running attack old skins football..well you have it. still hoping that e. williams takes rabach's job before the season starts, williams has much better chance to punish people at the line of scrimmage,rabach has no chance. draft okung with the 4th pick if not trade down for more picks either way get a LT.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

2.9 yards per rush. If he's still on the roster after camp...

Posted by: INIOWA | March 12, 2010 9:25 PM

Yeah it was terrible. Everyone else running behind that KC line was averaging like five yards a carry.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The thing about the Johnson signing is that it takes away from a younger player with upside.

Fred Jackson of Buffalo ran for over 1,000 yards, was undrafted. Mike Bell had 600+ yards for the Saints, also undrafted. ahmad bradshaw was a 7th round pick, as were Jason Snelling and Justin Forsett. All these guys made significant contributions to their team.

I'd rather Shanahan take a chance on the future with Ganther (also a 7th round pick) than on Johnson.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Might as well sign T.O. and keep the 'Diva Diaries' going now...Tortoise ain't enough of a drama queen, now you bring on a woman-beating malcontent who can't hold his liquor??

epic FAIL

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 12, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

LOVE IT!!

Clinton Tortoise, you've been put on notice. Gone are the days of your prima-donna half-arsed offseason. No more standing on the sideline wearing sweats just b/c you think not practicing is better for you.

One selfish peep out of that whiny cranky me-me mouth and you'll find yourself readily buried on the bench.

Clinton Portis...you've been WARNED!

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Just sayin', scamp...Don't need another a**hole coming to DC, though it is an institution...

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 9:24 PM |

It's cool man, but you can't stop the a*hole train.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

The thing about the Johnson signing is that it takes away from a younger player with upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:28 PM |

Huh? Zeke, the "younger player with upside" can show it in camp and Johnson will be gone. What are you afraid of having players compete for jobs? What do you think the off season is about?

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Thunder and the Stumbler.

For real, this could be a dangerous tandem. If both are healthy and focused, all we need is a decent athelic line.

LT, folks.
We need an mawler that blocks well in space...

Posted by: priceisright | March 12, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson sucks because he thinks disaster relief aircraft carriers are a stupid idea.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 12, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how much $$$ LJ is actually guaranteed?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 12, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2010 8:57 PM

From Mosley's biased article.

"Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is gambling that former Chiefs running back Larry Johnson will be so thankful to have a job that he won't be a distraction in the locker room. I'm not so sure that Johnson's ability warrants taking that type of risk."

Where is the risk???? If he doesn't work out, you cut him. He only has 1400 carries and his contract is heavily incentivized. Mosley should be writing an article about Thomas Jones and his 2200+ carries, Randy Moss’s attitude, or who’s going to play QB for the Steelers.

FYI tkoho...Mosely is a Cowboys fan, he cut his teeth at the dallas morning news. The FA signing period isn't finished and the draft is in April. People need to slow down, this is the worst FA in the history of FA. You don’t build with 30+ yr old players with bloated contracts..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

zce,

He was available and cheap for what he will be used for, so whatever he did last year means nothing. I'm sure you are a great football mind, but I think Shanny knows a little more then you.

Considering it's done and we can't undo it lets move on or atleast I will.

Posted by: Flounder21

Don't know what is guaranteed, so I don't know if he's cheap or not.

As for who knows more, yeah, you pretty used that line up defending Zorn and Vinny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how much $$$ LJ is actually guaranteed?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 12, 2010 9:33 PM |

3.5 over 3 years, so basically not much.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! I'm a Ramblin Reck from Georgia Tech and a helluva an engineer...

High five, scamp!

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:25 PM

You know it!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

As for who knows more, yeah, you pretty used that line up defending Zorn and Vinny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM |

Zorn and Vinny do know more then you!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

All you whiners and haters need to get a grip.

The deal has $3.5 mill guaranteed over 3 years and could rise to $12mill based on performance incentives. It's not like they just handed $10 mill guaranteed to Brandon Lloyd.

This deal gives the Skins cover at the RB position in case Portis needs to get cut.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The thing about the Johnson signing is that it takes away from a younger player with upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:28 PM |

Huh? Zeke, the "younger player with upside" can show it in camp and Johnson will be gone. What are you afraid of having players compete for jobs? What do you think the off season is about?

Posted by: League-Source

As I said, I don't know what is guaranteed. I do know there are a limited number of people that can be brought to camp. I also know that Johnson tweeted a response to a critical fan:

"Make me regret it. Lmao. U don't stop my checks. Lmao. So 'tweet' away."

The Chiefs cut him shortly after that.

Johnson is another guy who cares mostly about how straight his pockets are. I've seen enough of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Chill folks - an upside goal for the 2010 season is .500. Rebuilding this mess cannot be done in one year especially with the labor impasse making this off-season a complete mess. IF there's real football in 2011, then maybe the Skins look better, but 2012 is more likely, but before then, we'll no doubt have a Danny tantrum and be back where we were when the FSM kicked Danny's butt for being such an idiot - impossible losses against the Cowpies, the Saints,...

Pray for sense and a break - Okung would be great, Berry, better (pay him what he wants forever - last DB of that stature was a Skin, too) and suck it up as we kludge forward. Draft Clausen and I give up.

Posted by: fr3dmars | March 12, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Johnson is another guy who cares mostly about how straight his pockets are. I've seen enough of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:41 PM

Hence the performance based contract.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

As for who knows more, yeah, you pretty used that line up defending Zorn and Vinny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM |

Zorn and Vinny do know more then you!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21

They went 4-12 and you were backing them every step of the way. Me, I called out it as I saw it and I was right a lot more then I was wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, Larry Johnson ran all over us when we played Cincy last season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The thing about the Johnson signing is that it takes away from a younger player with upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:28 PM |


Anthony Alridge is already on the roster. What more do you want?

This draft needs to be about Oline Oline Oline. And with the LJ signing I hope it means we don't throw away a pick on a running back.

If things don't work out with LJ, Shanny can cut him and sign a RB off the street to fit his system - he's been doing that his whole coaching career.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:41 PM

Zeke- Stop typing and READ. It's been mentioned several times. If not do some research and educate yourself before you say the same thing for the last 2 hours.

$3.5 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

WOW!


listen to you guys.....

look at the hand Shanny has been dealt

There are no good options out there

Thomas jones? watch him hit rock bottom behind that KC OL

this was a good pickup with no signing bonus

If there is one thing we skins fan can feel good about is that shanny will run the football and we don't care who holds the ball

He will get his young stud in the draft

as for him being a problem.... all I can say is i'm hopeful he is like Hall and as a skins fan and being home, he won't want to cause issues

he is not done and neither is portis

Bottom line: It's a proccess

build an o-line

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 12, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Chill folks - an upside goal for the 2010 season is .500. Rebuilding this mess cannot be done in one year especially with the labor impasse making this off-season a complete mess.


Posted by: fr3dmars

I basically agree with that. I think the upside is a bit higher, but playoffs are highly unlikely.

Which leads me to the point with Johnson. Why? If we're rebuilding, he's not going to be around when we are 'rebuilt' in 2011 or 2012. So why not go after younger RBs instead. Its not like Johnson has been overwhelming people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

They went 4-12 and you were backing them every step of the way. Me, I called out it as I saw it and I was right a lot more then I was wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:44 PM |

You called it as you saw it after the fact, any idiot can do that. I don't whine about sh_t that already happened, because I don't have a time machine to go back and change it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Harangody is totally goofy lookin'. Kinda a cross between Bird, McHale and an orangutang..He totally should play for the Celtics..

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

So why not go after younger RBs instead. Its not like Johnson has been overwhelming people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse


Anthony Alridge is 26 and he's on the Redskins roster.

Is it OK to have a couple people who are proven in the NFL on the roster next year?

LJ gives us cheap insurance and leverage over Clinton Portis.

Not sure why you don't see the wisdom/logic of the move.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- Stop typing and READ. It's been mentioned several times. If not do some research and educate yourself before you say the same thing for the last 2 hours.

$3.5 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: Diesel44

I saw that number, don't know that its been confirmed

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Which leads me to the point with Johnson. Why? If we're rebuilding, he's not going to be around when we are 'rebuilt' in 2011 or 2012. So why not go after younger RBs instead. Its not like Johnson has been overwhelming people.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:48 PM |

Who says they wont go after a younger back as well, if he is better then LJ then LJ will be cut.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! I'm a Ramblin Reck from Georgia Tech and a helluva an engineer...

High five, scamp!

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 9:25 PM

You know it!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM

Congrats to you both.

The ACC tourney can be very grueling and can take away from the real tourney. Thanks for giving us a few days off to prepare and rest. After finishing tied for the ACC crown we need it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You called it as you saw it after the fact, any idiot can do that. I don't whine about sh_t that already happened, because I don't have a time machine to go back and change it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 9:49 PM |

Hey flounder, what the phul is wrong with you? What do you mean you don't have a time machine? Didn't you get the memo? They're passing them out at the local soup kitchen and Walmart.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Skins will still suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

You called it as you saw it after the fact, any idiot can do that. I don't whine about sh_t that already happened, because I don't have a time machine to go back and change it.

Posted by: Flounder21

Naw, I do stand up to what I predict. Right or wrong. Its just that I've been right at lot more than I've been wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Like another blogger stated, at least both backs can block. Maybe with a two back set, Jason Campbell will now have that 1 elusive second to unwind his arm and release the damn ball!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 12, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Haha, this is funny...bloggers think they can judge the talent of a RB more-so than Shanahan...

Posted by: BT23 | March 12, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The ACC tourney can be very grueling and can take away from the real tourney. Thanks for giving us a few days off to prepare and rest. After finishing tied for the ACC crown we need it.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM |

Ah the quasi sarcastic tone of the downtrodden. No one likes to lose so just take it like a man and don't try to pplay it off like it doesn't matter or it's a blessing in disguise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Why Ledell Betts is not our starter is beyond me. EVERY time he has been given a shot, he has excelled and he is a supper nice guy (I sat next to him at one of the Redskin Luncheons). Better than Portis in every statistical category. For some reason this team has been so in love with the prima donna, and now washed up Portis, that they failed to see Betts’ value. I hope he finally gets to start somewhere else (other than NFC East) and becomes a superstar.
So now we have a washed up homophobe who can’t get along with coaches, backing up a prima donna. I’ll give them till week three to get into a fist fight. If Johnson still had it, do you think KC and CL would have gotten rid of him?
Our running backs should be…
1. Betts
2. Serviceable vet free agent (younger than Johnson)
3. Cartwright
4. Quinton Ganther
Oh well. Our only hope is that Portis will excel under Shanahan’s system as he did in DEN, stay healthy and start showing up for work. A lot of ifs.

Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

So why not go after younger RBs instead. Its not like Johnson has been overwhelming people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse


It's not like they are prohibited from drafting or signing a draft pick or a rookie FA at the RB position. Too much angst over a cheap insurance RB. Even if Johnson proves during training camp he has nothing left, it's not as if the Skins would suffer by releasing him.

Posted by: TWISI | March 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Skins will still suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse


And they'll still beat the Cardinals like they did in '08.

Tell us. How does it make you feel to know that the Skins suck soooo badly but still beat your team when they played? Do indulge...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Skins will still suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 9:53 PM

As does your mother.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Why Ledell Betts is not our starter is beyond me. EVERY time he has been given a shot, he has excelled and he is a supper nice guy (I sat next to him at one of the Redskin Luncheons). Better than Portis in every statistical category. For some reason this team has been so in love with the prima donna, and now washed up Portis, that they failed to see Betts’ value. I hope he finally gets to start somewhere else (other than NFC East) and becomes a superstar.
So now we have a washed up homophobe who can’t get along with coaches, backing up a prima donna. I’ll give them till week three to get into a fist fight. If Johnson still had it, do you think KC and CL would have gotten rid of him?
Our running backs should be…
1. Betts
2. Serviceable vet free agent (younger than Johnson)
3. Cartwright
4. Quinton Ganther
Oh well. Our only hope is that Portis will excel under Shanahan’s system as he did in DEN, stay healthy and start showing up for work. A lot of ifs.


Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 9:56 PM

Well for one Betts is a 30 year old back that just blew out his knee.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The ACC tourney can be very grueling and can take away from the real tourney. Thanks for giving us a few days off to prepare and rest. After finishing tied for the ACC crown we need it.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 9:52 PM |

Ah the quasi sarcastic tone of the downtrodden. No one likes to lose so just take it like a man and don't try to pplay it off like it doesn't matter or it's a blessing in disguise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse


What's sarcastic about that?? I feel the exact same way as Diesel.

Terps are already in the real tourney. Your boys, on the other hand, can have fun with that committee selection. Instead of dogging the Terps you should be thanking us for giving you a glimmer of NCAA Tourney hope.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Well for one Betts is a 30 year old back that just blew out his knee.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:59 PM

I was just going to say that. Notice how difficult it is for Fargas to catch on with a team. 30 year RBs with an injury history will be available for awhile during the offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | March 12, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Checked the skins site, no moves to help the OL? Did I miss something here?

F-o-r-g-e-t running backs. Redskins mgmt are FEMA flunkies. Can they be that totally inept?

Redskins fan since 1960. Enuff. Snyder ....go pound sand.

Boycott

Posted by: danstheproblem | March 12, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Terps are already in the real tourney. Your boys, on the other hand, can have fun with that committee selection. Instead of dogging the Terps you should be thanking us for giving you a glimmer of NCAA Tourney hope.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:00 PM

There's another one. Hope you've convinced yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

There's another one. Hope you've convinced yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse


Convinced myself of what, exactly?

Do you think the Terps are not going to the NCAA tourney?

Whatever. Clearly the game meant alot more to you than it did to us Terp fans...

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Posted by: ggitkonlyyou | March 12, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Well for one Betts is a 30 year old back that just blew out his knee.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:59 PM

Along with not even being on the roster anymore.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 12, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Checked the skins site, no moves to help the OL? Did I miss something here?

F-o-r-g-e-t running backs. Redskins mgmt are FEMA flunkies. Can they be that totally inept?

Redskins fan since 1960. Enuff. Snyder ....go pound sand.

Boycott

Posted by: danstheproblem | March 12, 2010 10:02 PM |

You must have just glanced at it or you would have seen that they already signed one O-Linemen. With all the FA's being 29 or older who would you suggest they sign smart guy?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins will still suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 9:53 PM

As does your mother.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:57 PM

As does his sister. Which is the reason he left the area. High School kids can be rough on a kid that shows up at the Dematha homecoming with their own sister.

Oh and I'm 6'9 301, so enjoy your 6-10 2010 record.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Convinced myself of what, exactly?

Do you think the Terps are not going to the NCAA tourney?

Whatever. Clearly the game meant alot more to you than it did to us Terp fans...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:05 PM |

Hope you have convinced yourself that its okay to lose. Keep up here, I know it's hard for you Terps to understand written English but at least try to hide your ignorance.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Checked the skins site, no moves to help the OL? Did I miss something here?


Posted by: danstheproblem | March 12, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse


Actually, they've signed a couple of Olinemen and keep interviewing more, so maybe you did miss something.

It's not like Ryan Clady and Joe Thomas are sitting out there as free agents waiting for us to call...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey dog jizz man

Man up and suck it

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins will still suck...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 9:53 PM

As does your mother.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 9:57 PM

As does his sister. Which is the reason he left the area. High School kids can be rough on a kid that shows up at the Dematha homecoming with their own sister.

Oh and I'm 6'9 301, so enjoy your 6-10 2010 record.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:06 PM

HA!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Hope you have convinced yourself that its okay to lose. Keep up here, I know it's hard for you Terps to understand written English but at least try to hide your ignorance.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Right. Whatever.

Like I said...the game clearly meant alot more to you.

Congrats on your big win.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey dog jizz man

Man up and suck it

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:11 PM

That's what your wife's for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Who says they wont go after a younger back as well, if he is better then LJ then LJ will be cut.

Posted by: Flounder21

Diesel says LJ is guaranteed $3.5million -- I don't know if that is fact or rumor. But if its true (or close to true), you don't pay a guy $3.5 million just to attend training camp.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Well for one Betts is a 30 year old back that just blew out his knee.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Johnson is 30, and my point is Betts has hardly played. Much gas left in the tank.

Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey dog jizz man

Man up and suck it

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse


Still waiting for you to tell us how you felt after the last Skins-Cards game.

We won 24-17.

Our organization sucked and so did our team, but we still beat you.

So tell us, how did it feel?

Or did you blank it out of your memory?

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Hope you have convinced yourself that its okay to lose. Keep up here, I know it's hard for you Terps to understand written English but at least try to hide your ignorance.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:08 PM

scamp- You're better than this. You sound like that Cardinals fan. Let us not forget 2002 win MD cut down the nets.

Maybe someday for the Cardinal Fans and the Yellow Jacket fans.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Well for one Betts is a 30 year old back that just blew out his knee.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Johnson is 30, and my point is Betts has hardly played. Much gas left in the tank.


Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM |

My point is that Betts isn't any better and has a bum knee. Betts had 1 good season and that's it. Sorry buddy, you won't sell me on that one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

It's not like they are prohibited from drafting or signing a draft pick or a rookie FA at the RB position. Too much angst over a cheap insurance RB. Even if Johnson proves during training camp he has nothing left, it's not as if the Skins would suffer by releasing him.

Posted by: TWISI

See, I don't know if he's cheap ($3.5 million guaranteed isn't cheap -- if that is what the deal is) and his yards per carry were worse than Rock or Ganther, so he doesn't strike me as much of an insurance policy either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Johnson is 30, and my point is Betts has hardly played. Much gas left in the tank.

Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse


Betts hasn't played b/c maybe he's not that good and he gets injured when he does play.

Apart from a stretch in 2006 when he was running behind a beast Oline, he's not really done much.

He doesn't have homerun speed. He doesn't break many tackles. He's not a stellar blocker, and he doesn;t really have a nose for short-yardage/goal-line situations.

He's a nice backup who knows how to execute a running play and can catch a pass out of the backfield...and he's coming off a season ending injury.

Not sure what the love affair is all about.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

scamp- You're better than this. You sound like that Cardinals fan. Let us not forget 2002 win MD cut down the nets.

Maybe someday for the Cardinal Fans and the Yellow Jacket fans.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:15 PM |

Honestly man I'm not a big basketball fan so I don't really care. I just like to cause some good natured trouble, you know that. I have a cousin that just graduated from Maryland so they're okay with me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Johnson is 30, and my point is Betts has hardly played. Much gas left in the tank.

Posted by: ant9d | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM

Betts is getting no action on the FA market. Skins are not the only team who does not see him as being better than Johnson.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:08 PM

scamp- You're better than this. You sound like that Cardinals fan. Let us not forget 2002 win MD cut down the nets.

Maybe someday for the Cardinal Fans and the Yellow Jacket fans.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse


Diesel, it's okay, bro. Let's back off of scamp.

Clearly beating Maryland was their "big win" of the season, so let him enjoy it. It's not like G-Tech has tons of "big wins" to go around boasting about.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Diesel says LJ is guaranteed $3.5million -- I don't know if that is fact or rumor. But if its true (or close to true), you don't pay a guy $3.5 million just to attend training camp.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:12 PM

3.5 mil is a RFA tender amount, and it's spread over thre year instead of 1. That's not a lot of money. How much did Rock and LB have as guaranteed $$? Why wouldn't they invest more $$ in the RB position because of this signing?

Posted by: TWISI | March 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

As long as I'm rolling, those who say we can't cut Portis because of the guaranteed money, let me help you out. The problem doesn't go away in 2011. He'll still have a very big chunk of guaranteed $$ if you cut him in 2011. Its not until about 2013 or something where he can be cut without a large payoff.

Someone posted a link to a chart that laid it out. Bottom line is that he's very expensive, whether we keep him or release him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

yo jizzman

take a lick of your own

You have never played for anything anywhere anytime.

you are a loser

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Clearly beating Maryland was their "big win" of the season, so let him enjoy it. It's not like G-Tech has tons of "big wins" to go around boasting about.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2010 10:20 PM |

Unless of course you'd like to talk about football that is. After all, this is a football blog.

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Posted by: ggitkonlyyou | March 12, 2010 10:05 PM

I completely disagree about how you think they would start using Portis as a receiver now.

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

yo jizzman

take a lick of your own

You have never played for anything anywhere anytime.

you are a loser

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:23 PM |

Okay homer, you clearly have no game or the stomach for this so you may want to head on home to Mommy because you are about to drown. When you get there and see your Momma bent over the coffee table covered in a milky white substance with the local high school basketball team standing around don't come back here crying for solace. You've got no friends here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Zeke-

LJ's resume-

Rushing Yards 6,219
Rushing Avg. 4.4
Rushing TDs 55
2× Pro Bowl selection (2005, 2006)
1× First-Team All-Pro selection (2006)
1× Second-Team All-Pro selection (2005)

It's worth kicking the tires of guy with only 1400 carries who may have some gas in the tank. Especially at the heavily incentivized contract. It's not like Chris Johnson, AP, or Deangelo Williams were available. He was easily the best guy behind Chester Taylor, but he LJ came much cheaper and I bet has a better year.

You want to be proud of your team and have likable players, but I don't get fans that root for individual players and not the team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

3.5 mil is a RFA tender amount, and it's spread over thre year instead of 1. That's not a lot of money. How much did Rock and LB have as guaranteed $$? Why wouldn't they invest more $$ in the RB position because of this signing?

Posted by: TWISI

See, I've never been a fan of wasting Danny's money. $3.5 million isn't 'cheap'. Could have kept Rock for less and obviously Ganther is cheaper, too. Both had better seasons than Johnson. Both have fewer arrests and suspensions.

On Betts, its too bad he got hurt, but the Skins were right to release him. 30 years old and coming off knee surgery isn't a good combo. Betts may be able to carve out a Kevin Faulk type thing, but that's his upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, Larry Johnson ran all over us when we played Cincy last season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 12, 2010 9:45 PM

You do, and this is not just a Shanahallen move, and this is same personnel evaluation crew who was working this past season watching that same game.

Prediction: The 'down roster' free agents, Marocco Brown's guys, like this blocking tight end (Artis Hicks is too veteran in the league to be considered down roster), are going win two games on special teams TDs (games that the Skins shouldn't have won).

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, please stop bringing up Rock. Ganthar I can see in this conversation, but Rock? Really? Just because of some $$ savings? Bringing Rock into the convo invalidates your argument.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 12, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

See, I've never been a fan of wasting Danny's money. $3.5 million isn't 'cheap'. Could have kept Rock for less and obviously Ganther is cheaper, too. Both had better seasons than Johnson. Both have fewer arrests and suspensions.

On Betts, its too bad he got hurt, but the Skins were right to release him. 30 years old and coming off knee surgery isn't a good combo. Betts may be able to carve out a Kevin Faulk type thing, but that's his upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:30 PM |

How do you figure they had better seasons than Johnson?

Larry Johnson
2009 Cincinnati Bengals 7 0 46 204 4.4 27 0 3 4 1.3 6 0 -- --
2009 Kansas City Chiefs 7 7 132 377 2.9 19 0 12 76 6.3 22 0 2 1

Rock Cartwright
2009 Washington Redskins 16 2 64 228 3.6 34 0 27 242 9.0 51 1 -- --

Ladell Betts
2009 Washington Redskins 10 2 56 210 3.8 18 2 17 179 10.5 25 0 -- --

Quinton Ganther
2009 Washington Redskins 8 4 62 201 3.2 13 3 9 99 11.0 42 0

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 10:32 PM

What the b1tches on this blog keep complaining about is how Hicks was a backup.

He was a backup on the best OL in the NFL and not one player from the 2009 roster would have started for Minn. Of course he is an upgrade.

As is LJ. Betts, Ganther, & Rock are gone. MAYBE one of those 3 catch on with another team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 10:30 PM

Isn't it 3.5 over 3 years? So it's 1.67 per year guaranteed which is cheap even for a #2 back. You don't think paying Rock $$ to be a #2 back is a waste of money? I do. to small, not quick enough to be the next in line to be a featured back. You may say that LJ is washed up, some professionals (Bengals coaches) would disagree with you. Again I day too much vexing over a RB signing that was done on the cheap to add competition and insurance to the incumbent #1 Rb.

Posted by: TWISI | March 12, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey dingle -

when was the last time you played in front of a sell-out crowd at Cole?

When is the last time you played 5 times at Cap Centre?

When is the last time you beat UNC, NC State and Clemson?

And when is the last time you spoke with Dean Sith and Red Auerbach. Go away scumbag.

Have you recently been to the NCAA's?

Go blo urself...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Losing always sucks, but I guess I'm OK with the Terps taking this loss (and more importantly getting some extra rest) before the real tourney begins.

That being said, I was shocked that the rule book does not allow officials to look at the replay on that GT follow-up dunk; the dude clearly had the ball in both hands as the clock hit 0.

They need to think about changing that rule in the future. I believe it is reviewable in the NBA, isn't it?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 12, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Heheheh, Hoyas totally rocked, but the nappy-headed Terps missed their wake up call..Greivus has gotta stop pulling those all-nighters..

"Im an IBMer-Let's Build A Smarter Planet!!"...From the company that created Hitler's concentration camp database for extermination, hehehheh...They'll put a chip in your d*ck, your pituitary gland and , if you're so inclined, your Butthole Surfer.."Jim, looks like 372918432 has exceeded his pleasure limit, release the cyanide capsule"..A chip in everything for "A Smoother Running Planet"...*sigh* when do the nukes hit...

Posted by: frak | March 12, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey dingle -

when was the last time you played in front of a sell-out crowd at Cole?

When is the last time you played 5 times at Cap Centre?

When is the last time you beat UNC, NC State and Clemson?

And when is the last time you spoke with Dean Sith and Red Auerbach. Go away scumbag.

Have you recently been to the NCAA's?

Go blo urself...

Posted by: DMStagInAZ | March 12, 2010 10:52 PM |

Okay, you're obviously at least mildly retarded and are making no sense so it's the land of ITA for you. Buh bye.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Feggit Clintonic and Larry. Think LaVar and Larry. Bein' in DC, now Larry will be able to hang with LaVar. Wow. Just two good ol' PSU boys never meanin' no harm ... . Heh, heh.

Posted by: SonOfStan | March 12, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

pro football reference ranks the RBs who have over 100 carries. 50 RBs had 100 or more carries. How'd our new guy do?


Yds/carry: LAST
TDs: LAST (one of only 2 RBs with ZERO)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I'm 6'9 301, so enjoy your 6-10 2010 record.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 10:06 PM

Hey Diesel44.... as Larry Johnson would say... at 6'9" 301 you are one very big faaag!!

Posted by: cafweston | March 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I think the questions to ask about LJ are:

Is he better than Betts? He certainly has been more productive and had much more success. This guy has been among the NFL's best.

Outside of Portis, none of our previous backs scared anyone. Betts played more of a power rusher, Ganther and Cartwright are/were slow. LJ was/is better than Betts and cheaper too. I think he will be used as a 3rd down back (he has good hands), short yardage and goal line.

Don't forget, this guy was a top 5 running back in 2006. If he has anything left in his tank and can stay out of the dog house, he can be very productive late in the season with his power game. Sort of like the combo of Felix Jones (more speed than Portis) and Marion Barber.

Not a bad pick up for the Skins and not a great one either. If nothing else, Portis and Johnson can be called Dumb and Dumber.

Posted by: neil64 | March 12, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it 3.5 over 3 years? So it's 1.67 per year guaranteed which is cheap even for a #2 back. You don't think paying Rock $$ to be a #2 back is a waste of money? I do. to small, not quick enough to be the next in line to be a featured back. You may say that LJ is washed up, some professionals (Bengals coaches) would disagree with you. Again I day too much vexing over a RB signing that was done on the cheap to add competition and insurance to the incumbent #1 Rb.

Posted by: TWISI

I don't know what the terms are. All I've seen are rumors. If its $3.5million guaranteed, it won't matter if he's here 3 years or never plays a game. Its still $3.5 million.

scamp ...

Rock had a better year than Johnson. Higher yards per carry, scored a TD (with less than 1/2 the touches), plus he played on special teams.

Ganther had the same yds/carry and 3 TDs, also with less than 1/2 the carries as Johnson.

Neither Rock or Ganther fumbled, Johnson fumbled twice.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel44.... as Larry Johnson would say... at 6'9" 301 you are one very big faaag!!

Posted by: cafweston | March 12, 2010 11:15 PM

For the record..I'm a lesbian. I was merely one upping the sad sack of a Card's fan who said he was 6'8 300 and spent last night and tonight challenging everyone to an internet fight.

Sorry to disappoint you cafweston, please don't fantasize about me tonight.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

HORRIBLE SIGNING. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Guy is a woman beater too. He's P.O.S.

Posted by: SadieV | March 12, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel44.... as Larry Johnson would say... at 6'9" 301 you are one very big faaag!!

Posted by: cafweston | March 12, 2010 11:15 PM

For the record..I'm a lesbian. I was merely one upping the sad sack of a Card's fan who said he was 6'8 300 and spent last night and tonight challenging everyone to an internet fight.

Sorry to disappoint you cafweston, please don't fantasize about me tonight

Is that a hairball you just coughed up?!?

Posted by: cafweston | March 12, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Feggit Clintonic and Larry. Think LaVar and Larry. Bein' in DC, now Larry will be able to hang with LaVar. Wow. Just two good ol' PSU boys never meanin' no harm ... . Heh, heh.

Posted by: SonOfStan | March 12, 2010 11:05 PM |

Them two can start an upscale sports bar together. Lots of PSU grads in the area as a potential audience to draw from. They can call the club "Nittanyline". I hear that there is prime space available in Largo, MD at The Blvd. PG chic!

Posted by: SonOfStan | March 12, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

scamp ...

Rock had a better year than Johnson. Higher yards per carry, scored a TD (with less than 1/2 the touches), plus he played on special teams.

Ganther had the same yds/carry and 3 TDs, also with less than 1/2 the carries as Johnson.

Neither Rock or Ganther fumbled, Johnson fumbled twice.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 11:22 PM | Report

Gotcha

...and Diesel, you're a lesbian?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson = Gerald Riggs?
Both 6'1" 230 lbs
Both power runners

We'll see ...

Posted by: justicio | March 12, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, is Artie Hicks penciled in (in our minds) as a starter? Even if yes, don't we still have a whole bunch of holes on the O line?

Seems to me it's Dock and Rabach and maybe Artie and not a whole lot after that.

Seems to me we're spending a lot of time up here on jibba jabba about positions other than O line.

I know, I know, it's early, it's reeeeeal early, be patient, etc., etc. But I guess I'm clamoring for some sign that the O line is going to be taken seriously.

Also, once again, F Larry Johnson. Not a guy I want associated with my beloved Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 12, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know, it's early, it's reeeeeal early, be patient, etc., etc. But I guess I'm clamoring for some sign that the O line is going to be taken seriously.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 12, 2010 11:42 PM

I think the sign is the fact that they've brought in every respectable FA olineman available for a look see. Even more of a sign is that they took time and picked one instead of just signing the first guy that came in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

nate why are gay comments so offensive to you? they have been for a while up here. seems to hit a nerve with you is all....

Posted by: the_shocker1 | March 12, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

...and Diesel, you're a lesbian?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 11:38 PM

What can I say, I've only ever been with chicks...Thank god I ain't queer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

hey DMstaginAZ.... you better watch the language, or John L will give you a Saturday detention... the ghost of Ray S will make you clean the blackboards...

Posted by: cafweston | March 12, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

not that there is anything wrong with that...I'm no Larry Johnson.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

No, of course not.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone invision portis dropping some weight and becoming the speed back that he used to be in denver and johnson as the power back that he used to be in kansas city with dick vermeil. If these things can happen with a better o line and better play calling then the sky is the limit with this team and this rushing attack. just a thought what does everyone else think?

Posted by: wattsicon | March 12, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Nite all.
Hail!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

nate why are gay comments so offensive to you? they have been for a while up here. seems to hit a nerve with you is all....
Posted by: the_shocker1

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Nate wears and ascot...that's all I'm saying.

Posted by: isnadd | March 13, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 12, 2010 11:42 PM

Nate-

Who should they have signed? This is the worst FA since FA began 20 years ago. It’s the equivalent of Big Ben at the bar and it’s closing time… This is going to be an uphill climb thanks to the past regime.

I hate LJ the person, but the football player I'll take for the right price. And we got him for the right price.

We finally have football people in place, save the doubt for April 22nd if and when we select anybody that plays QB with the 1st pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 13, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, this is garbage. LJ and CP "inspiring" one another???? LJ was overpaid. Larry Foote could have been overpaid or an OL/OG/OT but a 30 year old RB??? I prefer Ganther at $750K or Rock at $1 mil. LJ at $4 mil is assanine! CP should have been cut for salary cap GET OUTTA JAIL FREE! If he doesn't go, then we WASTED the offseason. Why would you pay CP for 3 or 4 years? WHY? If Shanny doesn't axe him then he and BA are garbage too. Even if CP does have 1-2 years max he still ain't worth the cap hit. PAY THE F*CK and be done with VINNY-ECONOMICS and TURN THE PAGE! CP and LJ quals a step back. PROTEST this SH!TE and don't be blind.

Posted by: furious50 | March 13, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, overall it is not a bad move. Johnson maybe 30, be he is a younger 30 than Portis is at age 28.

Which is one thing that always bugged me about Gibbs 2.0. He WAY overused Portis, thinking he was Riggins 2.0 and running him up the middle time and time again. He probably cost Portis a season or two due to that kind of workload. Which was unneeded since Betts and Rock were more than adequate backups that should have been spelling Portis much more often than they ended up doing.

Anyway, as for Johnson, he is there mainly for insurance. In case Portis is indeed washed up or he gets hurt again. Another concussion and his career is probably over. And since Johnson's contract is basically 80% incentives, the Skins got themselves an insurance policy on the very cheap. $3.5 million over three years? Lloyd and Arch Deluxe made that much for sneezing in the locker room.

Also, I assume the Skins will draft a RB in the lower rounds and probably sign a couple of FA rookies before camp.

So overall, a pretty quick and clean piece of work to cover the RB position while they work on the O-Line in the draft and the remainder of FA.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 13, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone invision portis dropping some weight and becoming the speed back that he used to be in denver and johnson as the power back that he used to be in kansas city with dick vermeil. If these things can happen with a better o line and better play calling then the sky is the limit with this team and this rushing attack. just a thought what does everyone else think?


Posted by: wattsicon | March 12, 2010 11:55 PM |

I have felt for a few years that CP would be effective as the third down back. He does not have the natural (or unnatural) bulk to take a pounding every down as a power runner.

Posted by: chalkjock | March 13, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that I recall a recent article showing what Rock & Betts were due to make this year. I could be wrong, but I think Betts would get more than the entire Johnson contract this year and Rock wasn't far behind. Having said that, I'm not endorsing Johnson. I wouldn't have done it, but I ain't runnin the show. And DuMAZ Arizona ex-Redskin fan POS is that, a POS.

Posted by: msrent | March 13, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that I recall a recent article showing what Rock & Betts were due to make this year. I could be wrong, but I think Betts would get more than the entire Johnson contract this year and Rock wasn't far behind. Having said that, I'm not endorsing Johnson. I wouldn't have done it, but I ain't runnin the show. And DuMAZ Arizona ex-Redskin fan POS is that, a POS.

Posted by: msrent | March 13, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

shocker, I don't like being part of a conversation -- in real life or in this virtual realm -- where casual use of homophobic slurs is tolerated. So that's for starters.

And according to what I've read Larry Johnson is one of those guys who loves to drop gay slurs when he's insulting or demeaning someone. I find that behavior intolerable, and I won't root for someone who speaks that way, let alone someone who speaks that way and apparently is an abusive misogynist on top of it. Second chances, whatever, the guy seems to be a real piece of work.

If you think I'm being overly sensitive or (the horror) politically correct, that's fine with me. Just voicing my opinion as one of the village idiots up here, is all I'm doing.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

You don't need to sign a "name" RB. Why not work on the OL and the zone blocking and let the rest fall in place??? Year after year was a no-name back surprising the league. A Cap-less year is an opportunity to get out from underneath bad contracts. Add up CP and Sellars' cap number. That 1000 yds next season and 10 mil guaranteed salary this year could EASILY be swapped for minimum contract backs WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE! Add LJ and we are still playing like we are close to a Championship. Let's start over! Fu(K! I thought BA and MS knew what was up.

Posted by: furious50 | March 13, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

On the O line, I didn't say this very clearly, but I wasn't trying to say we'd missed the boat with some O line UFA gem who signed elsewhere.

I just want to believe -- I'm desperate to believe -- that the front office agrees with just about all of us that the O line is the #1 area of need for this team, and the place where our serious rebuilding must begin. I mean, it's so obvious they have to know it, right?

But as a battered fan who's watched bewildering personnel moves for most of the past decade, as eager and hopeful as I am, as much as I want to believe in Shanallen, that kernel of doubt looms in the back of my mind, or the front of my mind, or, you know, right here in this comment.

What if they just say "F it, Heyer and BMW are going to be fine, trot 'em out there"? What if they decide not to worry about the O line because 2010 is a wash anyway? What if, what if...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you Nate.

Johnson's character is awful. He's comments are horrid and he's been a cancer to his team as well.

The guy I would have liked to see Shanahan take a look at was Fargas. No way that he'd get significant guaranteed money. He had about the same total yards as Johnson in 2009, a higher yds/carry (3.8 vs 3.2) and 3 TDs.

Plus, Fargas works hard. Johnson and Fargas are the same age.

Over the past 3 years, Fargas has a higher yds/carry and more total yards than Johnson. LJ has 9 TDs, Fargas 8. Johnson has 8 fumbles, Fargas 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 13, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen probably saw the red uniform and thought it was Larry Fitzgerald.

Posted by: Xlnt | March 13, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

No doubt on the character issues Nate. On the field, LJ has issues too, especially as it pertains to the Skins. Bad signing ALL AROUND! I appreciate your point of view on the societal issues as well as the X's and O's.

Posted by: furious50 | March 13, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Ombudsman1 wrote:
Between Portis and Johnson, it's going to be a moody backfield. Putting on the pads will take a whole new meaning in the Redskins locker room.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 13, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Nate; Don't doubt for a minute that Shanny & Co. don't know what's up with the o-line. Somebody around the park might think that oh well it's going to be a strike year, but that ain't Shanahan. He knows Danny's patience level is about 3 years. Even if told it will take 5 years. The fact that he's picking up these 30 somethings means he intends to compete ASAP. I am not a fan of any women beating homophobe (never thought I'd be using that one), but the guy is on our team, just got to hope Shanny will keep him in line.

Posted by: msrent | March 13, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

scamp,

Sorry to say but ... I went to the Glenn L. Martin Institute of Technology at Maryland ... much better engineers come from there than a hick school like GA Tech .. but you know that don't you dude? And Architects are at a higher level. US News and World Report seems to support that.Be better off going to Cal Poly SLO for an architect than GA ...The guy who built SpaceShip One went there ... HaHa. HaHa

Posted by: periculum | March 13, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

nWo 4 life

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 13, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Z,

You sound like the La Canfora? Have to wait until after the draft to make that judgement dude. Certainly, given that is the Danny its possible. But there are two guys ... not one and Allen is the other. Gibbs didn't stick with Ramsey, or Brunell but drafted Campbell. He went for the young guys ... but he was here four years ... that's a long time in football years ...

You have to wait and see ... how it all unfolds before making that judgement ... but in the end you could be right.

Posted by: periculum | March 13, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Righto, zeke, furious, msrent.

Waaaaay too heavy for a Friday night up here. But then Friday day was kind of a drag as well up here. Here's hoping for a better Saturday.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Righto, zeke, furious, msrent.

Waaaaay too heavy for a Friday night up here. But then Friday day was kind of a drag as well up here. Here's hoping for a better Saturday.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 1:10 AM |
__________________

Is the use of "drag" here intended to be pro-homo?

Posted by: Xlnt | March 13, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

RB's are easy to find if you have an OL. Build a great OL, get a couple of cheap RB's with young legs and you're on your way to a running game.

Posted by: intrepid1776 | March 13, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

oh geez another over the hill RB with an attitude, thats exactly what the Skins need. Hey Danny boy, I hear Riggo might put on the pads again for the right amount of $$$ if you need an over the hill RB.

doesn't much matter, with this broken down offensive line, Jason Campbell and any other overrated rookie QB they draft will be running for their lives next season. About the only smart thing they've done so far is get rid of Randle El.

get out the paper sacks to wear over your heads at Fedex next season, another LOSING year lies ahead for the Deadskins

Posted by: mikepem01 | March 13, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

This is a great signing. Washington gets a back that can put pressure on Portis plus they get a guy that could possibly share the backfield with Portis - a scary combination. Redskins fans have to look at this as a big positive. Now, if they draft that big OT in the first round, they could end up with two 1000 yard rushers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 13, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Portis - Johnson = Terry Allen - Stephan Davis

hmmmm maybe, maybe not

I'm hoping yes

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 13, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

From Bleacher Report
Who would the Redskins trade Cooley to, and for what compensation? A good fit for a trade would be the New England Patriots. After recently losing Ben Watson, the Patriots have a glaring need at the tight end position.

The Patriots also have three second-round picks in the upcoming draft, giving them good currency for a trade. One second- and one fourth-round pick would be a good deal for Cooley, and since the Redskins currently only have five picks, they could put them to good use.

The Redskins' signing of Sean Ryan to be a blocking tight end is a good indication that a deal may be imminent. An NFL team needs one good pass-catching tight end and one that can block, and in Ryan and Davis, they have both. Cooley may be the odd man out.

With some extra high picks in the draft, the Redskins would be well positioned to rebuild their offensive line with an infusion of youthful talent. While it would sadden many Redskins fans to see one of their favorites traded away, Mike Shanahan needs to make some hard decisions to ensure a brighter future for Washington.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 13, 2010 2:02 AM | Report abuse

i think this can work. we do need a 'boomer' that can move the pile on short 1st downs and at the goal line. i'd also like us to have a runner with breakaway speed and/or breakaway moves. guys with both those talents are very rare.

Posted by: dcjazzman | March 13, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

I still believe the Skins will draft a scat back of some sort in the late rounds to bring a different dimension in the backfield. Trading Cooley is asinine; this team should and will run the 2 TE set prominently... it makes the most sense with the lack of WR depth and obvious focus on bolstering the run. All signs point to an OL with the 4th pick, and maybe another in the second round, although Tony Pike intrigues me greatly. I am definitely encouraged by this offseason. Every move seems to have a purpose, whether we grasp it or not.

Posted by: mjsciann1 | March 13, 2010 3:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm still unclear about the guaranteed $$ for Johnson. The AP report uses an ambiguous phrase:

"Johnson agreed to a deal with a base value of $3.5 million, but he could make as much as $12 million if he meets certain incentives."

I have no idea what 'base value' means in this context.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 13, 2010 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Signing LJ tells me two things, both of which I am happy about. First, this wait two years to compete is all baloney. Why sign a 30 yo ex all pro to get 2-3 yards a carry while we "rebuild"? We could just keep Rock, Betts, and Mason. Second, Portis and Johnson both will need a much better line to really excel. That tells me with our first two picks, we're grabbing bookend T's, Okung (who I really think will be available) and the best LT prospect available in round 2. Unless they think Levi Jones could give us a good year or two at RT, then I could see us grabbing a FS if a good one was there, or maybe that Pouncey if available, who sounds tailor made for Shannahan. And for those clamoring for a speedback, me included (if McCluster was there in the 4th round, I'd take him in a NY minute), I would love to see Alridge get a real shot. I think he will, otherwise, why didn't they ax him just like Mason, Rock, and Betts? Finally, I really would like to see Ganther stick around, he ran really hard, hit the hole quick (when there was one), never went down with the first hit, and always seemed to make positive yardage even running through a solid wall of defenders. I'd like to see what he could do with a decent line. I do know with the draft, the only non O lineman or RB I want to see taken would be a true FS upgrade, or maybe the QB LeFleur if available in round 4.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 13, 2010 4:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't see trading Cooley. I don't like getting rid of core players in their prime. Cooley is extremely dependable, a real safety blanket for Campbell, and has anybody ever noticed, when it seems the whole offense has given up, and we can't buy a big play for a million bucks, it is usually Cooley getting open for a 15 yard pass and running through and over 2 or 3 players to get another 15? You just don't trade a guy like that who is in his prime for a 2nd and 4th round pick. Make that 2nd a 1st, and I'd be tempted, but that aint happening. Along with Samuels, he is certainly one of the new Millineum's Mr. Redskins. Draft Bookend tackles in rounds 1 and 2 and an interior lineman in round 4 (the consensus is there should still be plenty of good interior lineman in round 4, where we pick 4th or 5th), and presto, you have a rebuilt O line. Davis really came on last year, but I aint ready to bet the farm on him yet. I'd bet the farm AND the ranch on Cooley.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 13, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Lord knows Portis has given us ample opportunities the last year to doubt my next sentence. But I really think he is going to pleasantly surprise Skins fans this year with his attitude, dedication and results.

Recall that just two years ago he was a Pro Bowl runner. It wasn't so long ago that he was Washington's favorite son- making people laugh, picking up blocks, saying the right things. Yes, he lost his way last year and I don't excuse that. But I think he also realizes that his legacy is at stake. He's had a very good career, and this may well be his last chance. He knows the window is closing rapidly; I tend to think he'll take advatange of make a final stand that we can be proud of, as opposed to his forgettable 2009 season.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 13, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

A rider to my last comment - I think most of us agree that Portis is worried about his image and his legacy (possible translation: he's an egomaiac). Not uncommon among pro atheletes, but a reasonable assessment.

Think about this then- with one good season (1,400 yds), he can vault himself into the top 20 on the all time rushing list; two such seasons, he could put himself in the top 10 and become a legitimate HOF candidate down the line.

His legacy is still unwritten and hangs very tenuously in the balance; he could just as easily be remembered as a Hall of Famer as he could a me-first diva with an ego matched in size only by his contract.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 13, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

What does it mean to have Portis and Johnson in the backfield? It means the Redskins have two washed up, socially backward, jack*ss running backs. Put them in the backfield together and you could just call it throwback football.

Posted by: atidwell | March 13, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey Rod-

WHat the heck are you doing up posting at this hour??

Agreed on LJ, and can't blame your attitude about CP. But read my posts above if you would. TIme for some sleep. I'm starting to see purple monkeys.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 13, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Interesting idea here:

"The Patriots also have three second-round picks in the upcoming draft, giving them good currency for a trade. One second- and one fourth-round pick would be a good deal for Cooley, and since the Redskins currently only have five picks, they could put them to good use."

So far, the trend seems to be moving in the direction of adding the linemen via the draft, fill-ins via free agency.

This move--if the pats are indeed game-- would allow the FO to snag two-three line in rounds 1-2.

I like Cooley like the next man, but Belichek comes knocking, I'd answer the door.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

...the Redskins have two ... socially backward, jack*ss running backs.

Posted by: atidwell | March 13, 2010 6:31 AM

I've read a lot of criticisms of both these men, some related to football, some not. But of the non-football criticisms, "socially backward" has to be the most damning.

I don't think that "socially backward" backs should be allowed on the streets, much less in a high-character operation like the NFL. If we had a devout Christian coach like Coach Gibbs, I know he would never allow these low lifes on his team. Okay, maybe one low life, but never two of these cretins.

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

"Someone please tell me how this is a better pick up than Thomas Jones."Posted by: sire1

I don't think it is. But if you were a back coming off a strong season like Jones had, would you want to sign with Washington?

Sure, Shanahan has a rep as a RB's friend, but who's blocking?

So Jones signed with the Chiefs -- a team that for all Jamaal Charles' spectacular succerss, needs a running back. That's because Charles is a home run hitter along the lines of the younger Willie Parker -- not the sort of player you can rely on to pick up a first down in the red zone.

Couple hints that Shanahan is not necessarily planning on duplicating his Denver philosophy in Washington -- he's hung on to Mike Williams and signed Artis Hicks, and neither of those guys could be termed a Denver-style o-lineman. Maybe power running is what he's interested in.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

"If we had a devout Christian coach like Coach Gibbs, I know he would never allow these low lifes on his team."


The same folks hating on LJ's and CP's character flaws hated James Thrash despite his being a 'quality' guy and devout Christian.

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

If, by chance, you are in the audience of anyone running things at Cshburn, please inquire about the prospects of the team re-signing Levi Jones.

The team needs linemen, but out of all the names laid out on the team's reshuffled deck, his has yet to appear in any way form or fashion.

Is Jones staying or going?: this might make interesting reading.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

The team needs linemen, but out of all the names laid out on the team's reshuffled deck, his has yet to appear in any way form or fashion.

Is Jones staying or going?: this might make interesting reading.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:50 AM

Moe,

Agree. What I'd read was that the 'Skins offered him a one-year contract and he's holding out for a longer-term deal. Not sure where I read it -- I think it was one of those little blurbs from another blog that people paste up here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

"A Clinton Portis-Larry Johnson backfield: What's it all about?"

Our crack team on crack has looked into the future and already found transcripts larded with the cliches both running backs will regale the media with over the next 6 months.

Consider:

LJ: "2006 is a long time ago. I'm gratful for the chance to make 3.2 mil to prove that it was."

CP: "It really, you know, doesn't, like matter who starts so long as when the offense begins the game, I'm the one in the huddle next to that coward Jason."

LJ: "Yeah, I know Clinton throws people under the bus, but can he go Lawrence Phillips on a chick who's pissed him off. I'm working on my dragging a woman down a flight of stairs move right after y'all punks leave."

CP: "I'm not saying the dude Johnson ain't got game, but he isn't with his old team any more, is 30, couldn't be out Priest, and, plus, who wants to be known as an ex-bengal, you know what I mean?"

LJ: "I went to Penn State and Portis sounds like he belongs in the state pen."

CP: "All I know is I'm not practicing, 'cause if I do, Johnson won't ever get any carries. Game time is my time. He can ask Ladell 'bout that."

"And who wants to share time with an ex-bengal anyways?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why people are whining about this signing. Did you want the team to have no plan "B" for Clinton "Ol' Bone Spur" Portis? They got a proven back for what I assume was not a big contract. Let CP keep saying all of those things about how he is part of the team and he will work his butt off, but now he is slapped in the face with the reality that if he doesn't produce, there's a guy every bit as capable that can take his job away. They both are competitive so this should just make both of them work harder, and I really like the idea of LJ lining up occasionally in the backfield with Portis. If both are in shape, this would be a two headed monster no defense would like to face.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"What I'd read was that the 'Skins offered him (L Jones) a one-year contract and he's holding out for a longer-term deal."


Makes sense for him seeing how they didn't release him.

He is also aware of the market and knows there aren't too many LT options out there.

He'll eventually take the money.

For one thing, we haven't read anything about his selling his wares to other teams around the league.

Even if the team drafts a tackle at #4, I'd still think a vet should start on the left with the rookie playing right tackle alongside Hicks at guard.

Now if the team snags a tackle at #4 and #37, Jones will see that he might have played himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

This is a Win-Win...

Johnson is hungry and looking for a career resurgence.

We signed him for peanuts...Under Vinny we'd have given him 5 years at 40 million with an 8 million dollar signing bonus...Johnson has to EARN his money...always a good thing.

If either guys acts up they get cut...Shanahan seems to have made that clear.

I would still love to pick up C.J. Spiller...but that's just me!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

This team is positioning itself to have a monster draft...I suspect we will see trades for extra mid to late round picks around draft time.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"I would still love to pick up C.J. Spiller...but that's just me!"

What would Spiller do now with Johnson and Portis--two lead dogs--aping to get the ball?

I am a fan of Spiller, too, but, alas, I don't see him at FEDEX Field next year unless he's running down the sideline past L Landry.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

But of the non-football criticisms, "socially backward" has to be the most damning.

I don't think that "socially backward" backs should be allowed on the streets, much less in a high-character operation like the NFL. If we had a devout Christian coach like Coach Gibbs, I know he would never allow these low lifes on his team. Okay, maybe one low life, but never two of these cretins.

Posted by: League-Source

I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and football. You play to WIN THE GAME, not to get into heaven. If LJ sucks, he can be cut. There's very little guaranteed money in his deal. By the way, that "devout Christian coach" was the one who made Portis' pockets straight.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 13, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I suggest BA trade Carlos Rogers for a large role of duct tape. It can easily be cut into large mouth covering pieces to ensure locker room harmony with CP and Granma-ma. Might have to include a late round pick though to make that a fair deal to whoever is dumb enough to take him. I further suggest that CP and LJ stay as far away from telephones, twitter, radio as possible. If that happens I like the move.

Posted by: Holehoggin | March 13, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Losing always sucks, but I guess I'm OK with the Terps taking this loss (and more importantly getting some extra rest) before the real tourney begins.

That being said, I was shocked that the rule book does not allow officials to look at the replay on that GT follow-up dunk; the dude clearly had the ball in both hands as the clock hit 0.

They need to think about changing that rule in the future. I believe it is reviewable in the NBA, isn't it?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 12, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, it looked like a bad call and I think Gary let them know.

Even so, I'm OK with the early exit. Especially after seeing what happened to that Syracuse center, I'm fine with having some games off until the toureny.

In order to really succeed Maryland needs to be playing from an overlooked/underdog position. Gary's teams never play nearly as well when they are big front-runners. Frankly, I think MD is better positioned going into the tourney with people doubting the team and talking about how they blew it in the ACC and wondering whether they are legit. That's when Gary does his thing best.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

The return on your investment in a LT is high...look at Chris Samuels

AND...

C.J. Spiller is a game changer! We have not had a triple threat weapon on this team in forever!

Let's see if we can fleece the Raiders for their first round pick----trade Anthony Montgomery and Todd Yoder for their first round pick!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse


Losing always sucks, but I guess I'm OK with the Terps taking this loss (and more importantly getting some extra rest) before the real tourney begins.

That being said, I was shocked that the rule book does not allow officials to look at the replay on that GT follow-up dunk; the dude clearly had the ball in both hands as the clock hit 0.

They need to think about changing that rule in the future. I believe it is reviewable in the NBA, isn't it?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 12, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, it looked like a bad call and I think Gary let them know.

Even so, I'm OK with the early exit. Especially after seeing what happened to that Syracuse center, I'm fine with having some games off until the toureny.

In order to really succeed Maryland needs to be playing from an overlooked/underdog position. Gary's teams never play nearly as well when they are big front-runners. Frankly, I think MD is better positioned going into the tourney with people doubting the team and talking about how they blew it in the ACC and wondering whether they are legit. That's when Gary does his thing best.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

When is losing ok? You play to win the game...

I guess Georgetown should forfeit today.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they want LJ for late in the game when we would need a power runner to run out the clock when we have the lead.

(Ha, ha, ha! I made a funny!!!)

Posted by: charley42 | March 13, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I hear you.

It's mostly zcezest whining and he keeps saying he doesn't "understand" it despite many people laying out the logic for the move.

It's one thing to say you just don't like Larry Johnson. Fine. But the signing is very cheap and makes sense for the team.

We are basically guaranteeing LJ $1.67 mill a season. That's chump change. People say they'd rather have Rock/Ganther at half the price. Rock and Ganther are losers. Is anyone signing those guys? If we want to we could probably pick up either of them midseason. So for a measley $750K more you don't want to upgrade to a proven NFL back who's been a ProBowler and gives us leverage to cut Clinton Portis if we feel like it?

I just don't get it...

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I think he averaged 4.6 yards a carry last year in cinncinatti. Not to bad... but so much for getting younger

Posted by: nate_snyder | March 12, 2010 8:31 PM |

Younger would be good and I think we will get there. However, getting YOUNGER just to get YOUNGER and worth a poop if you ain't getting BETTER. I think this signing makes us better and I Like it. CP26 is going to be pushed now and starts won't just be handed to him anymore. We made CP better and Johnson is an upgrade over Betts too.

Posted by: scottmando | March 13, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

When is losing ok? You play to win the game...

I guess Georgetown should forfeit today.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse


Losing is OK when you:

1) are fighting for better draft position

2) are losing in the short-run as part of a long-term plan that needs time to come together

3) have already secured the next step of your season's goal

Look, I'm not fired up about losing. I don't think it's great. But I can live with it given the circumstances. If you and a few others don't understand why I'm not slitting my wrists in the tub over yesterday's loss, then I'm sorry.

I'm confident that in the loss, the team will gain a refreshed perspective and motivation going into the NCAA tourney, playing like they've got something to prove.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I guess Georgetown should forfeit today.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse


BTW, I don't really care what Georgetown does. I'm a Terp.

But I bet that if Greg Monroe goes down in a crumpled heap like the Syracuse center, they're gonna wish that they'd forfeited the game.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey, my concern is CP will pout if LJ is getting more carries than CP desires LJ receive.

CP has never complained about carries...he always has said that he and Betts work well together...he use to take himself out of games and let Betts come in until Zorn corn-y ass stopped that...And for everyone saying CP is a whiner..i don't get it..I dont remember him doing this...the BS started the season b4 last when Zorn threw him under the bus we he implied CP didn't know what to do on a pass play...CP struck back saying "Zorn's a genius"..and it was downhill from there with there relationship...we all should know by now that Zorn didn't know what he was doing..he said FDavis couldn't do it..he said DT11 wasn't ready..etc etc...and if you need more proof of Zorn incompetance..just think swinging-gate...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

To all the "WE NEED TO GET YOUNGER" people out there.

Anthony Alridge is 26 years old and has already been signed to the team.

How many young unproven running backs do you think we need on this roster?

Is it OK to have some proven vets here and there to help us actually run an offense?

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Hey, my concern is CP will pout if LJ is getting more carries than CP desires LJ receive.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse


I hope he does pout. That will offer us the perfect opportunity to cut him.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Betts just came up short too much, and now he's injured, so Johnson is a pretty good sub for the short yardage/goalline back role..But there's a little bit of "He who smelt it , dealt it" with him, beats up women and insults gays, maybe he's struggling with his "inner lesbo"...Hopefully, this'll work out, though.."He's just a lumberjack and he's OK..."

Posted by: frak | March 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

According to some sites and the Redskins roster on the website, we also have a 23-year old RB named PJ Hill that was signed from the Eagles practice squad.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey, my concern is CP will pout if LJ is getting more carries than CP desires LJ receive.

Posted by: jcnjcnj

I sorry for the confusion but that was posted by another blogger...i inadvertantly left off the handle..so the credit for that should go to..RedskinRay1

I dont think Portis is a whinner

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The last was a reply to p1funk...

i'm messing up this morning...too early too early

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

And according to what I've read Larry Johnson is one of those guys who loves to drop gay slurs when he's insulting or demeaning someone.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 12:34 AM |
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Yeah, and that makes him unique among NFL players.

All the other players in the league are gay-friendly.

Not sure why anyone even makes an issue of LJ on this topic; I guess it's the TMZ mindset that has taken over.

God knows how many times "great" Redskins like Grimm, Bostic, Manley, Riggo (for sure), and others used "fag" or "queer" to slam someone.

The horror... The horror.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 13, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

And according to what I've read Larry Johnson is one of those guys who loves to drop gay slurs when he's insulting or demeaning someone.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 13, 2010 12:34 AM |
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Yeah, and that makes him unique among NFL players.

All the other players in the league are gay-friendly.

Not sure why anyone even makes an issue of LJ on this topic; I guess it's the TMZ mindset that has taken over.

God knows how many times "great" Redskins like Grimm, Bostic, Manley, Riggo (for sure), and others used "fag" or "queer" to slam someone.

The horror... The horror.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

MrRedskin21...I agree. It seems everyone is so PC its ridiculous...I challange anyone who want to keep holding this over LJ to prove that they have Never used a gay-slur or race-slur or any prejudice put down...all anyone has to do was follow this blog on friday 3/12/2010 and they would have seen bigotry at work...perpetrated by many but instigate and motivated by this lockerroomCancer blogger...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Two large-headed, loud-mouthed running backs in the backfield?

~Gulp~

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | March 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Looks like were not the onl team he doesn't want Fargas.

Browns won't pursue Fargas, either
Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2010 9:07 PM ET
Nobody wants Justin Fargas.

The former Raider visited the Eagles today, but Jeff McClane of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported that the team isn't interested in signing him.

Now, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns aren't interested, either.

Fargas also visited the Chiefs, who signed Thomas Jones.

So it looks like Fargas could be a man without a team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Without a significantly better OL none of this will matter!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 13, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

last year when lj became available most everyone on the ri wanted the skins to sign him now people complain becayse they did. betts never got the chance to carry the load but once and when he did he proved he was good enough to carry the load now his injury just hurt him and most likely will keep him from being that good again. it was gibbs and the prima portis that ruined betts as a running back. he should have been given the chance more by gibbs to prove he was good.

Posted by: rls1041 | March 13, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"If we had a devout Christian coach like Coach Gibbs, I know he would never allow these low lifes on his team."

The same folks hating on LJ's and CP's character flaws hated James Thrash despite his being a 'quality' guy and devout Christian.

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:35 AM |

I'm sure you didn't write the first quote Moe so this is for whoever the idiot was that wrote it. A real Christain always gives a person a second chance to improve themselves without judging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"If we had a devout Christian coach like Coach Gibbs, I know he would never allow these low lifes on his team."

The same folks hating on LJ's and CP's character flaws hated James Thrash despite his being a 'quality' guy and devout Christian.

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 7:35 AM |

I'm sure you didn't write the first quote Moe so this is for whoever the idiot was that wrote it. A real Christain always gives a person a second chance to improve themselves without judging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21...I agree. It seems everyone is so PC its ridiculous...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


It's particularly ironic since we are all fanatically loyal to a team with an overtly racist name.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

For all those saying Gibbs would not have bad charcter guys on his team, what the f_ck are you talking about.

Gibbs bad character guys:

Gibbs 1.0
Manley
Riggo
Gary Clark
I'm sure I'm missing some.

Gibbs 2.0
Portis
Fred Smoot
The WR they got from the 49ers.


So don't act like Gibbs was a saint, if thought a player could help he would sign them.

Also I love how you guys are getting on his character, because I'm sure you are perfect and have never done anything wrong.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 13, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Without a significantly better OL none of this will matter!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 13, 2010 10:10 AM |

The o_line is not being overhauled in FA's because FA's sucks this year with the new rules. Why don't we see what the draft brings before we say the o_line will not be fixed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 13, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Without a significantly better OL none of this will matter!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 13, 2010 10:10 AM |


Without a significantly better Oline we will need some power runners to move some people if the holes aren't there.

So signing LJ makes sense.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

scamp,

Sorry to say but ... I went to the Glenn L. Martin Institute of Technology at Maryland ... much better engineers come from there than a hick school like GA Tech .. but you know that don't you dude? And Architects are at a higher level. US News and World Report seems to support that.Be better off going to Cal Poly SLO for an architect than GA ...The guy who built SpaceShip One went there ... HaHa. HaHa
Posted by: periculum | March 13, 2010 1:03 AM | Report

Once again proving that perineum is indeed retarded and the single most idiotic poster on this blog. There's a reason they use to let only 90 people a year into the architorture program at GT and it's not because they were trying to compete with some little school in Maryland that no one in the business has heard of. You keep showing your ignorance time and again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Two over-the-hill money pits.

Posted by: BigTrees | March 13, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and just so you know you phukin dooshbag moron, you're precious US News and World Report ranked GT the 25th university in the US and the 8th technical school in the world:

http://www.universityportal.net/2007/09/world-university-ranking-of-engineering.html

Where you get your info is beyond me. You always just make sh!t up. You're a tool and a liar but that has already been proven with the wiki page and your supposed picks for our record last year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, thats 35th in the US.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Two over-the-hill money pits.

Posted by: BigTrees | March 13, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Who? Scampbell and Peri??

That's cold, man.

Those guys are alright...

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Who? Scampbell and Peri??

That's cold, man.

Those guys are alright...

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 10:49 AM |

Ha! I'm not quite over the hill yet but I'm sure my parents once refered to me as a money pit.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21...I agree. It seems everyone is so PC its ridiculous...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


It's particularly ironic since we are all fanatically loyal to a team with an overtly racist name.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 10:20 AM
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true...
and it's also ironic that today someone is getting married in dc...
sorry had take a swing at that one.

Posted by: priceisright | March 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like they are building what Campbell had in Auburn when he won the title.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | March 13, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I like this move...if the year is 2005.

In 2010, this looks lame. I'm still giving Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan the benefit of the doubt here, but I just can't see the point of having two big mouth, low impact RBs on the downside of their careers sharing carries behind an offensive line in the midst of a huge transition/overhaul.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 13, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

hiss, gurgle, snap , crackle, hiss, gurgle...dam ham radio...hiss, gurgle, crackle , hiss..

Posted by: frak | March 13, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Good move,

he is the next Larry Brown from the 70s

Posted by: kreed21 | March 13, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm baaaaaaaaaack.

RedDMV, hello!

and hello to you, League Source.

And just in time for a good old fashioned debate about the merits of signing an about to be over the hill running back with a reputation for being a divisive locker room presence...

not to mention the glaring character issues he's sportin' like a big ole' pimple on his forehead.

and some say well, we got him for the "right" price.

If $3.5 million is the right price for a one aged Larry Johnson, I'd say we living in some perverse, alternate reality.

do we honestly have any expectation that Portis and Johnson will make a good pairing?

This is like mixing one part ammonia with two parts bleach.

But whateves...


Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeah.

It would be much better to just leave Clinton Portis as the sole veteran starter on the roster. He performs oh-so admirably in the lockerroom and in practice when there's no competition for carries.

Or maybe we should have just gone out and signed Chris johnson or Adrian Peterson.

The FO really missed the boat on this one. Does anyone know what Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson were asking for in free agency?? It really is a pity that we didn't bring them in for an interview.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Larry Foote scheduled to visit Steelers on Monday"


I thought he wanted to be a cardinal?

At least that's what the headline shouted.

So now, Larry will foot it back to the Iron City, bruised desire for a payday in tow.

Foote could take the Rooney money if it's not what he wanted, and claim he has always wanted to retire a stiller, the cardinal fantasies notwithstanding.

And I think here is where BA and Shanny should intervene and show him some of the money.

Or: just enough of it.

The team is trying to change its defensive scheme and could use a vet linebacker with experience in it.

Foote, McIntosh, Fletcher, Orakpo makes for a fine quartet of 'backers playing behind Haynesworth, Golston, and Daniels.

The new FO has been very disciplined in its dealings so far, but I think Foote's case might be one where giving in a lil bit might be a better course of action.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I love my Skins.

But it's time for a reality check, here. Too much bit%&ing about LJ 's "character" going on.

all this bandying about of the word "character" is getting out of hand.

Riggins was a drunk who drove himself to and from work every day [yes, after the 3+ cases of beer he and the rest of the "5 O'Clock Club" consumed every day after practice].

That's the following guys drinking and driving a lot of days during camp and the preseason...

Riggins,
Jacoby,
Grimm,
May,
Bostic,
Starke,
Warren,
Didier

just because none of them hurt or killed anyone does that excuse their behavior on a REPETITIVE basis, year after year?

didn't think so. Okay, next...

Don't forget our Beloved Dexter and his "demons" with drugs.

And Tony Peters, and drugs too?

How about Joey T allegedly cheating on his wife, and ditching her for Kathy Lee Gifford?

How about parties where a LOT of the guys were drinking and throwing stuff up in the air to shoot at? [mostly defense...Mendenhall, Murphy, Dean, Jeris White, Jordan, ...] ALWAYS a good mix, drunks and loaded guns

These things all happened by the player's own admissions...and this was known before the age of the 24 hour news cycle.

Byner's DUI and suspension of license, Westbrook beating Davis into a good RB, Cooley and his sexcapades, Wycheck's roids...the list goes on and on...

Players are people too...they either try to redeem themselves or they don't.

But don't compare current players to some past "ideal" that doesn't (and never did) exist.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 13, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"A real Christain always gives a person a second chance to improve themselves without judging.Posted by: scampbell1975"

No Christians here, apparently...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"A real Christain always gives a person a second chance to improve themselves without judging.."


We sinners prefer throwing stones from the holier than thou perch atop our glasshouses.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 13, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Gimme you best guess guys...

What percentage of sacks do you think was Campbell holding the ball too long?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

4th's Updated Mock Draft:

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. CJ Spiller

2nd Round:

37. 5th-7th best Left Tackle

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 13, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

75%

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Gimme you best guess guys...

What percentage of sacks do you think was Campbell holding the ball too long?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

100%...as soon as the ball was snapped to him, he was holding it too long

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 13, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's just an opinion, but I think if I were the Skins I'd rather have signed Larry J than Tomlinson, Willie Parker, or Justin Fargas. I might prefer Thomas Jones, but not the other guys.

We talked a lot on this blog during the playoffs about the advantages of having a change of pace back -- mostly about Sproles, but that can also apply the other way, in terms of a power runner. We've seen this work effectively in Carolina, Dallas, and Tennessee. A three headed RB, with Portis, LJ, and Aldridge, might be something the Shanahans could work with.

Of course it's impossible to separate the back from the blocking, just like you can't entirely separate a QB's performance from that of his receivers. Offensive lines operate as a unit and raw talent seems to be less important than toughness and teamwork. Assuming you have Dockery, Mike Williams, and Hicks alongside Rabach, and with Samuels out of the picture, it might be time for the Skins to rejoin the rest of the NFL in running most of their rush plays off-guard rather than off that left tackle spot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"A real Christain always gives a person a second chance to improve themselves without judging.Posted by: scampbell1975"

No Christians here, apparently...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 11:23 AM |

Certainly not one who claims to be perfect or blameless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

33.3333333%

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 13, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The only way this would be a good signing is if we cut Clinton and save 7 mil. This would also save us the cap hit we are going to face when we cut him at the end of next season after another injury plagued season spent whining.

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | March 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Portis' career is done.

Chronic injuries will more likely than not settle the point once and for all.

How anyone expects him to make it through a grueling training camp in which he's going to have to prove himself, and then the regular season...

behind a line that will be a work in progress, at best

is ludicrous.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It's just an opinion, but I think if I were the Skins I'd rather have signed Larry J than Tomlinson, Willie Parker, or Justin Fargas. I might prefer Thomas Jones, but not the other guys.


Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Tomlinson will be much more expensive than LJ and he's got much more wear-tear on him.

Willie Parker and Justin Fargas are injury concerns.

Thomas Jones has about 1000 more career touches than LJ so his carrer clock is far more advanced.

This LJ siging was a high-reward low-risk move, at the price we got him for.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins might have the right idea in bringing in a free agent running back,

they just brought in the wrong one.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The only way this would be a good signing is if we cut Clinton and save 7 mil. This would also save us the cap hit we are going to face when we cut him at the end of next season after another injury plagued season spent whining.

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | March 13, 2010 11:49 AM |

They can cut Portis anytime this year or before the next league year and face no loss. He would still only get the 7mil he would get if the cut him today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 13, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis' career is done.

Chronic injuries will more likely than not settle the point once and for all.

How anyone expects him to make it through a grueling training camp in which he's going to have to prove himself, and then the regular season...

behind a line that will be a work in progress, at best

is ludicrous.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:49 AM |

To me, I'd rather have to over the hill backs behind a work in progress line. Once the line is functional then you put in the franchise QB and RB. Let those old basterds (old, right, they're both younger than I) take the lumps while the line figures it out. You act like we're going to compete for the Bowl this year. Who else would you have rather picked up anyway? Seems to me they were all the same choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins might have the right idea in bringing in a free agent running back,

they just brought in the wrong one.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 11:52 AM |

Ok who should they have signed Mr. GM?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 13, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The only way this would be a good signing is if we cut Clinton and save 7 mil. This would also save us the cap hit we are going to face when we cut him at the end of next season after another injury plagued season spent whining.

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | March 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse


Well, signing LJ gives us the insurance/Plan B we would need in order to do that in terms of having a proven veteran back we can give the ball to.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"I like this move...if the year is 2005.

In 2010, this looks lame."

Not picking on this guy directly, but I see a lot of people on here that don't like this move.

So what would some of you do this year to help solve the running back problem??

Let's all be honest, they need to get rid of Portis first and until that happens AND the OL gets better it doesn't matter that much who has the ball.

LJ is a quick fix for now, but there ain't nobody else out there UNLESS you draft someone. They aren't going to take a RB with that first pick, and most likely not with the second either.

So what would you do??

- Ray

PS - Thank Vinny for the mess he left the Redskins with, it goes MUCH deeper then just the OL.

Posted by: rmcazz | March 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

We're not competing for a SB this year, scamp this much I know.

LJ, according to my sensibilities, is a low reward - high risk move.

I just don't see him being a positive force on a team whose identity you are tying to redefine... and his age and ability don't hint at any untapped resource.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Fargas or Parker would have been better.

Or no FA at all.

Or a later round pick with fresh legs, verve and good energy.

Not some energy eater like LJ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

We're not competing for a SB this year, scamp this much I know.

LJ, according to my sensibilities, is a low reward - high risk move.

I just don't see him being a positive force on a team whose identity you are tying to redefine... and his age and ability don't hint at any untapped resource.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:01 PM |

I can certainly understand the positive force aspect but I feel the opposite as you. He's low risk, high reward. He's not costing anything, less than 2 mil a year. There aren't any better free agents in terms of age, injury, etc. He was putting together a decent season the second half of last year and wasn't causing any problems in Cincy. He's a homer so maybe he chills out and if he can regain any form at all he'll help spell Portis. I don't think he's being brought in to win a rushing title so anything he adds is a plus.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

In search of 3-4 help, Redskins eye trade for Rams DL Carriker
- Jason LaCanfora
NFL Network

Posted by: rickyroge | March 13, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Fargas or Parker would have been better.

Or no FA at all.

Or a later round pick with fresh legs, verve and good energy.

Not some energy eater like LJ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:06 PM |

I don't agree. There's a reason the Raiders and every other team out there don't want Fargas. Parker has injury concerns. We can still draft a RB so your later round theory doesn't hold water yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

cool, scamp.

Let's hope for the best.

Maybe LJ will get it.

Sounds like he was convincing enough through the interview process...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

'Skins sign Will Montgomery
Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2010 12:10 PM ET
The Washington Redskins have announced that offensive lineman Will Montgomery has signed a new contract.

Montgomery, a four-year veteran, entered the league in 2006 as a seventh-round draft pick of the Panthers; he also has played for the Jets before joining the Redskins during the 2008 season.

He was a restricted free agent, and the Redskins had tendered him at the seventh-round level. It's unclear whether he signed his one-year, $1.176 million contract or whether he signed a multi-tear contract.

In 2009, Montgomery appeared in every game, starting three.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

LJ, according to my sensibilities, is a low reward - high risk move.

I just don't see him being a positive force on a team whose identity you are tying to redefine... and his age and ability don't hint at any untapped resource.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


I don't understand what you see the "low-reward" being. He was averaging something like 4.6 ypc when he went to the Bengals at the end of last season. He's still got power, he was healthy last year, he's got low football mileage for a 30-year old b/c he sat behind Priest Holmes all those years.

I don't see the "high-risk". If he doesn't work out, we cut him. I think we can absorb a $3.5 mill hit without burying the team.

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Fargas or Parker would have been better.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 13, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Both of those guys are skinnier frailer running backs coming off of injury plagued seasons last year.

How is that better?

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to say but ... I went to the Glenn L. Martin Institute of Technology at Maryland ... ... HaHa. HaHa

Posted by: periculum | March 13, 2010 1:03 AM | Report

Wow. Periculump is a Terp?

I suspected that it didn't take much to get a degree from Univ. of Md. -- although there's a lot of sharp guys posting up here who say they were Terps. (At least I thought they were smart until last night when they tried to claim that Maryland had lost to Tech on purpose because losing is better than winning.)

But, if I went to the same school as periculump, I guess I wouldn't be willing to admit it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that Sean Ryan could be moved to fullback?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | March 13, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to say but ... I went to the Glenn L. Martin Institute of Technology at Maryland ... ... HaHa. HaHa

Posted by: periculum | March 13, 2010 1:03 AM | Report

Wow. Periculump is a Terp?

I suspected that it didn't take much to get a degree from Univ. of Md. -- although there's a lot of sharp guys posting up here who say they were Terps. (At least I thought they were smart until last night when they tried to claim that Maryland had lost to Tech on purpose because losing is better than winning.)

But, if I went to the same school as periculump, I guess I wouldn't be willing to admit it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 12:19 PM |

Dude, perineum is the epitome of uselessness and idiocy. If I were anyone from Terpland I would disassociate myself as quick as possible.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

although there's a lot of sharp guys posting up here who say they were Terps. (At least I thought they were smart until last night when they tried to claim that Maryland had lost to Tech on purpose because losing is better than winning.)

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, that's a ridiculous claim.

And who exactly was saying that?

Posted by: p1funk | March 13, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that Sean Ryan could be moved to fullback?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | March 13, 2010 12:20 PM

They are obviously going to be giving some tackles some help blocking this year. That is why he has been brought in (my guess).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff LS.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that Sean Ryan could be moved to fullback?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | March 13, 2010 12:20 PM
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Why would you want to do that? If you're looking for blocking in the backfield, Sellers can do that. If you're looking for a fullback that can also run the ball ala Kevin Mack and Ernest Byner for the long ago Browns, then Larry Johnson would be a good fit. Ryan is a blocking tight end. He was brought in to replace Yoder: plan and simple. I think the team will ride with four tight ends this season so they will still be getting another one through free agency or the draft (although a draft pick for a blocking tight end would be a waste of time).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 13, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

LJ is going to be asked to make one cut and do what he does best, be a downhill runner. This is what Portis did well under Shanny in Denver. By no means am I comparing LJ to a young Portis, rather I'm saying he should fit the scheme.

The other FA rb's are no better than LJ:
thoma jones-curse of the 300+ carries in a season
Parker-no longer fast
LT-declining fast
fargas- I actually like as as part of a two rb tandem, but his hammy tightens up for a few weeks every year

still think the skins draft an rb and grab some more USDA rb's

Posted by: BigE44 | March 13, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

JOHNSON - BETTS off surgery, tweedle-dum, tweedle-dee.

Did we sign the injured NT? And FOOTE? If we're changing to 3-4 they need some FA or trade help in at least one of those two positions. sure looks like SHANAHAN wants a q-back in this draft rather than an o-tackle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 13, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

sure looks like SHANAHAN wants a q-back in this draft rather than an o-tackle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 13, 2010 1:11 PM |

Why does it look that way?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's impossible to separate the back from the blocking, just like you can't entirely separate a QB's performance from that of his receivers. Offensive lines operate as a unit and raw talent seems to be less important than toughness and teamwork. Assuming you have Dockery, Mike Williams, and Hicks alongside Rabach, and with Samuels out of the picture, it might be time for the Skins to rejoin the rest of the NFL in running most of their rush plays off-guard rather than off that left tackle spot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 11:44 AM

Right. Between the signing of Hicks and LJ, the nice things MS has said about Mike Wms, it seems the Skins are getting ready for some smash mouth football. And it might be that Shanny is taking a slightly different approach to the running game than he did in Denver.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 13, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Portis + Johnson = PortaJohn backfield
Hopefully both will keep their sewage traps shut and just play.

Posted by: minorthread | March 13, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Thinkingman; You didn't have anyone on that list who had multiple assaults against women. I can see why they signed, it wasn't to add character to the team though.

Posted by: msrent | March 13, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis + Johnson = PortaJohn backfield
Hopefully both will keep their sewage traps shut and just play.

Posted by: minorthread | March 13, 2010 1:30 PM

That is too funny. Post of the week.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 13, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Portis + Johnson = PortaJohn backfield
Hopefully both will keep their sewage traps shut and just play.

Posted by: minorthread | March 13, 2010 1:30 PM

Welcome to the battle zone, Thread. That's the best nickname for a Redskins unit since someone suggested their defensive line be called the "Fourskins."

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of making lemonade out of lemons;

I hope if CP dresses like a drag queen, LJ sucker punches him and puts an end to that embarrasing weekly display.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 13, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Right. Between the signing of Hicks and LJ, the nice things MS has said about Mike Wms, it seems the Skins are getting ready for some smash mouth football. And it might be that Shanny is taking a slightly different approach to the running game than he did in Denver.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 13, 2010 1:26 PM

I'm all for Smashmouth, and that's one possibility.

Another possibility is Shanahan is adding these interum, semi-aged temporary fixes to stem the bleeding until re-inforcements arrive. Not sure that's a better plan than acquiring draft picks, plummeting to the bottom of the heap and rebuilding from there.

With Snyder making the hiring decisions, it may be the best way to ensure job longevity.

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

sure looks like SHANAHAN wants a q-back in this draft rather than an o-tackle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 13, 2010 1:11 PM |

Why does it look that way?

Posted by: scampbell1975


Two words--John Elway. The question is does Shanahan think either Bradford or Clauson has Elway's potential--or something close enough to it to draft with #4 overall?

If he does, he drafts a QB If not, he goes OL or Berry or McLain or Suh, and looks for a potential project with his 2nd rounder--either McCoy or LeFavour or Brown from West Va.

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the fuss. Portis and Johnson won't be past 2011 at the latest.Johnson is an insurance policy--the last time I saw Portis he was standing on the sidelines with a concussion. Also, Shanny just fired another shot over the bow letting Portis know that I already have your replacement if you don't jump on the Shanny bandwagon.

Posted by: djorl | March 13, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Another possibility is Shanahan is adding these interum, semi-aged temporary fixes to stem the bleeding until re-inforcements arrive. Not sure that's a better plan than acquiring draft picks, plummeting to the bottom of the heap and rebuilding from there.

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 1:47 PM

Or he could be thinking that he has to prepare to play the NFC East.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 13, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Not sure that's a better plan than acquiring draft picks, plummeting to the bottom of the heap and rebuilding from there.

With Snyder making the hiring decisions, it may be the best way to ensure job longevity.

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 1:47 PM

Cork--

"Snyder making hiring decisions?" Brilliant. Snyder had never even heard of Hicks or Ryan before he signed their first paycheck.

"Acquiring draft picks" isn't a plan, it's a dream. No one's trading draft picks this year. Boldin was the big deal -- went for a 3rd and a 4th, but Arizona had to give up its fifth. Didn't Cromartie go for a 3 and a 4 in next year's draft?

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: League-Source | March 13, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I believe that was Kathy Lee Crosby and not Kathy Lee Gifford that Joey T. was grabbing on the side.

Posted by: diamond_jim | March 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan's zone-blocking schemes in Denver, a longtime NFL offensive line coach said recently, were best suited for guys with nifty feet and great vision capable of quick cuts."

I've heard this before and thought it strange. Cut back, sure, but exactly once. The whole point was to keep the running back going north instead of dancing around looking for an opening. Doesn't take a lot of vision to spot one opening and move into it. Most of those Denver backs weren't home run types, either. Terrell Davis wasn't a huge guy, but he knew how to keep moving forward.

Looked at that way, it's not so much of an adjustment for Larry Johnson. He's probably still faster than Terrell was.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 13, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse


Yeah players use homosexual slurs in the locker room and on the practice field. Also racial, ethnic and whatever else they got. Same with soldiers and Marines in combat. Some are meant as slurs, some are stress-relief, or as one-up for the slurs aimed at them.

No big deal. Has nothing to do with Political correctness.

But what makes Larry Johnson a moron is he put his on facebook or twitter. What makes him an even bigger moron is he also used these public forums to slam his coaches.

That makes him a double moron, or perhaps just arrogant.

And so he was kicked off a lousy KC team. As bad as they were last year, they still didn't want any part of him.

Did he learn his lesson? I don't know. Is he no longer a moron?
I don't know. But it's more baggage along with his age, his falling production level and the fact that two teams decided they could live without him last year.

Look at the acquisitions so far. On paper they look mediocre at best. Injured nose tackle, TE who doesn't catch. OLman who can't crack starting lineups and this guy.

Sure, it's early. But so far, not so good.

Posted by: TheCork | March 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't worry about TEs. TE is a position of strength. Hicks looks like a great addition. Mike Wms looks to be improved with another offseason of conditioning, so the OL is looking strong in the middle. As for RB, the Skins are putting together a stable of RBs that could be pretty good. But the running game is more about how good the line is. LJ and Priest Holmes before him ran behind a great OL in KC. I'd say the big suspense is still all about that first round pick. They have to go OT with that. These moves they've made look much better within the context of Okung being added at LT.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 13, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't seem like they overpaid, esp. for a guy that spits on women. Neither CP nor LJ will make it thru 16 games undinged and so the idea is, you have a front line back, who can run, catch out of the backfield, both getting 300 plays a season. Not a bad idea. Just hope LJ is on best behavior and comes correct...

Posted by: ElYeah | March 13, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a great signing.....lots of NFL Analysts have indicated Larry Johnson as a great bang for the buck Free Agent.

Given that he is the kind of Power Back that Portis is not......I have absolutely no issues with the signing. He is definitely better than Betts, Cartwright, and Mason.

I think his value will be most apparent in that his presence alone will get Portis motivated. Nothing breeds quality like competition.

Johnson I think has grown up and his ejection from KC was an eye-opener that playing in the NFL is a gift not a right.

With the brains of Shanahan, and if the Skins are able to even moderately address the OL issues....and Thomas & Kelly continue their development as 3rd Years NFL Receivers tend to do....and now this RB tandem....

Can't help but be intrigued.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Like the signing based on the potential and the contract. I hope this is a fresh start for LJ and he takes the ball and runs with it:)
Second tier fans are love'n it.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

i don't understand this move...both guys are close to the downside of their careers and they still have not addressed the O-line. LJ is basically an older Ladell...i really don't understandthis move and i must admit it is the most puzzling since BA and MS began wheeling and dealing...hopefully no more moves like this?

Posted by: ronniecope106 | March 14, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they can both wear stupid costumes

"hi, we have no wit about us whatsoever, but you're supposed to laugh because we're wearing costumes"

Posted by: tigger0705 | March 16, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

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