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Mike Shanahan, Bruce Allen rebuild Redskins at their own, measured pace

It seems there is no pressure on Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen to attempt to rebuild the Redskins overnight.

Although Shanahan and Allen have not publicly laid out their plans, the writing appears to be on the wall in large letters. After years of questionable front-office decisions, the Redskins' roster and organization are in the process of being overhauled, albeit slowly.

From reviewing game film, Shanahan likely determined he could not accomplish enough in one offseason to make a marked difference in the team's talent level. On the eve of free agency, there was buzz throughout the league the Redskins would continue to spend lavishly as they have throughout Daniel Snyder's tenure as owner, but they've taken a vastly different approach.

Much to the disappointment of some agents, Washington did not pursue the few top-tier unrestricted players. So far, the Redskins have signed versatile offensive lineman Artis Hicks, nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu, who is still rehabbing after having two surgeries to repair an Achilles' tendon injury he suffered in training camp, and blocking tight end Sean Ryan.

Many players have visited Redskins Park, but with few considered difference-makers, the Redskins have played it cool. And it is believed Shanahan and Allen will make changes in the player-personnel and scouting departments sometime after the draft. If that's the case, many of the people whose counsel they plan to seek are not officially on the job yet. Why rush to execute your master plan when your team hasn't been completed?

Also, the Redskins don't have a franchise quarterback in place. Shanahan and Allen made that clear when they only gave Jason Campbell a minimum first-round contract tender - not the amount for first- and third-round picks. The team has not reached an agreement with Campbell's agent on a multiyear extension.

There also are other areas - offensive line and running back, especially - that appear to be in need of a major talent infusion. The Redskins' overall talent level was considered to be at the bottom of the NFC East for at least the last two seasons, assistant coaches from other teams who have studied Washington's roster recently said.

It's not a fluke when a team finishes last in its division three out of four seasons as the Redskins have. Consistent failure usually indicates a systemic problem in decision-making at the core of the organization, which is not easily overcome.

For Shanahan and Allen, the season is about treading water until they construct their new infrastructure and shed some more "dead weight," as top cornerback DeAngelo Hall recently put it. Of course, no one in the organization would acknowledge this on the record. Even if fans are elated about having Shanahan and Allen running the organization, they still expect the team to succeed every season, and season-ticket holders don't want to hear the word "rebuild."


I suspect, however, most Redskins fans will give Shanahan and Allen a free pass this season because of what they inherited. Considering everything that occurred during the 2009 season, the Redskins had one of the worst years in their history. Even if the majority of Shanahan's football decisions prove to be correct, he probably needs at least two to three draft and free-agent cycles to reshape the roster to his liking.

Critics of Shanahan and Allen point to Shanahan's poor playoff (1-4) record after John Elway retired and Allen's mixed results with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well, most teams would experience a drop after losing arguably the greatest quarterback in NFL history, and the Broncos did.

But with Shanahan directing the football operation, the Broncos qualified for the postseason four more times under Shanahan after Elway's exit, including three straight appearances from 2003-05. In Snyder's 11 seasons as owner, the Redskins have only made three playoff appearances. If Shanahan could only duplicate his post-Elway success with the Redskins, it would seem like the glory days again.

As for Allen, his pairing with Jon Gruden did not produce anything close to another Super Bowl title for the Buccaneers. But the team did win two NFC South titles with Allen as its top football administrator. The Redskins have won only one division title since Snyder bought the team. Again, it's all a matter of perspective.

For the most part, Shanahan will have the same talent Jim Zorn had the past two seasons. Shanahan is second to none at X's and O's on offense, people I respect tell me, so perhaps just having him on the sideline will enable the Redskins to achieve more in the 2010 season than they have recently.

But regardless what happens next season, Shanahan and Allen still will have plenty of time to do what they believe is right. And after the last 11 seasons around here, who could argue?

The calendar

Apparently, some of you have moved on from maps like such as to calendars and would like to jot down key dates. So here's what we know at the moment:

March 15 -- Voluntary (cough, cough) workouts/offseason condition program begins

April 16-18 -- Predraft minicamp

April 22-24 -- NFL Draft

May 7-9 -- Minicamp

June 16-18 -- Minicamp

In the Zone

The topic of the day in the Redskins Tailgate Zone focuses on who is the ideal person (either in the draft or in free agency) to back up Clinton Portis.

Kemoeatu is large

Maake Kemoeatu is enormous. Obviously, this is something Dan Steinberg has unearthed.

By Jason Reid  |  March 11, 2010; 11:15 AM ET
Categories:  Bruce Allen , Free agency , Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

Even if fans are elated about having Shanahan and Allen running the organization, they still expect the team to succeed every season, and season-ticket holders don't want to hear the word "rebuild."

What a dumb statement no they would rather hear we are going to win the SB and then go 4-12.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

First things first, I pappa freaks all the honeys...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 11, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

What about there are no big time FA's to go get don't you idiots understand. Even if they wanted to spend there is no one worth spending on.

This is a process it will take time, there are no quick fixes in the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

How is this pronounced?

MOCK-kee
MAY-kee
MAH-YOC-kee
MAC-kee

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

MAH AH kay

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 11, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"From reviewing game film, Shanahan likely determined he could not accomplish enough in one offseason to make a marked difference in the team's talent level."

And you determined this from what? Their slow moves?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

After Quinn failed, do you really think they are going to take chance on ANOTHER Notre Dame QB with tons of questions marks? Holmgren is smarter than that (at least I think he is, anyways).

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 11, 2010 11:39 AM

Question...Name the last great Sooner QB? Bradford is all but a lock to go #1.

Your logic is flawed, you blame the player, not the school for their lack of success in the NFL. Clausen is the most pro ready QB in the draft and although I wouldn't draft him, your thought process will never enter Holgren's mind.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 11:49 AM

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I got to say a 90%+ in favor of rebuilding in a post poll is a good sign.

Year 1- establish a philosophy and identity through a new system an a few new players via free agency and draft
Year 2- purge old players who cannot conform to new identity, stock up draft picks and get young talent to replace lost old talent
Year 3 look to win.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"I suspect, however, most Redskins fans will give Shanahan and Allen a free pass this season because of what they inherited."

You suspect wrong, then, at least from "this" fan. I'm TIRED of waiting! My patience has run out. We were close last season in many of our games so if they will just fix the O line we should have a much better chance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

repost
He and Shanahan must be laughing their collective as-ses off, now, reading the current Redskin Fan withdrawal symptoms of "no blockbuster FA signings".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Right. They have nothing better to do, since they aren't signing UFA's, so they are glued to their computers, laughing at RI comments. Right.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'M SO GLAD THE REDSKINS LEFT YOU GUYS THE POST OUT OF THE LOOP ON WHATS GOING ON J REID YOU ARE A FU*KIN IDIOT FOR WRITING THIS BULLSH*T LIKE WE DIDNT ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS TEAM IS IN REBUILDING AND ITS GOING TO TAKTLE 2-3 YRS. J REID GO PRACTISE SAFE SEX AND GO FU*K YOURSELF BIT*H !!

Posted by: bsilvanus | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 11, 2010, 12:01
With the signing of Sean Ryan by the Redskins, you can see the handwriting on the wall for Chris Cooley. Coming off an ankle injury, and with the emergence of Fred Davis, the team has a surplus of talent at the position. We're hearing that the Redskins have an agreement in place to trade Cooley to an AFC team, for a 2011 draft pick that could be as high as a 2nd rounder, based on performance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Whoever voted 'no' on this should be shot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Don't ever force a player to change positions!

Draft:

Round 1: Left Tackle
Round 2: Right Tackle
Round 4: Free Safety
Round 5: Runningback
Round 7: Cornerback

Posted by: BigTrees | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"....the Redskins don't have a franchise quarterback in place. Shanahan and Allen made that clear when they only gave Jason Campbell a minimum first-round contract tender - not the amount for first- and third-round picks. The team has not reached an agreement with Campbell's agent on a multiyear extension."

So treat Campbell like a worm and let him dangle.

And if the brownies or bills come along with the right hook (3rd and a player), take it.

If not, sign him to a low ball, incentive laden deal, but don't draft a quarterback...

...until next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

And you determined this from what? Their slow moves?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:54 AM |

Lisa, this is inside information. If they tell you, they'd have to kill you.

Posted by: League-Source | March 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Reid's got nothin.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There'a a story that former Ram great Merlin Olsen is dead.
Sad thing is, I remember him more from TV than football.
He was a great color guy with NBC Football back in the day, and was on Little House n the Prairie.
He was a good guy.
Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2010 11:41 AM

Merlin Olsen and Dick Enberg were one of the great announcer combos, IMHO. Love watching the old games that they called, especially Super Bowl 17…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 11, 2010, 12:01
With the signing of Sean Ryan by the Redskins, you can see the handwriting on the wall for Chris Cooley. Coming off an ankle injury, and with the emergence of Fred Davis, the team has a surplus of talent at the position. We're hearing that the Redskins have an agreement in place to trade Cooley to an AFC team, for a 2011 draft pick that could be as high as a 2nd rounder, based on performance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

How idiotic is this?? Thank God it came from that idiot Florio. Cooley is proven....Fred Davis had a good end of the year but who knows if that will continue.

Cooley SELLS and the fans love him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

From footballoutsiders' Bill Barnwell:

Before last season Barnwell asked for predictions from 50-90 Twitter followers per QB. Here's how they turned out:

JASON CAMPBELL:
Predicted (Twitter respondents): 3,220 passing yards, 20 TD, 12 INT
Actual: 3,618 passing yards, 20 TD, 15 INT

Sadly, no one went out and just predicted "pain". I suggested he'd go 3,450/18/12, but there's not much of a difference between that and the predicted total. When I do this next year, whoever just types "average" in reply gets a pizza trophy.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 11, 2010, 12:01
With the signing of Sean Ryan by the Redskins, you can see the handwriting on the wall for Chris Cooley. Coming off an ankle injury, and with the emergence of Fred Davis, the team has a surplus of talent at the position. We're hearing that the Redskins have an agreement in place to trade Cooley to an AFC team, for a 2011 draft pick that could be as high as a 2nd rounder, based on performance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

LOAD OF CRAP

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

IMO Zorn is gone because he utterly failed at the X's and O's and at gameday management. Just improving that to average would have made a 2 win difference last year and a legit kicker would have made another 2 game difference. That team should have been 8-8. With Shanahan we don't just get average X's and O's/gameday management we get excellent. Plus holding the team accountable, reducing the star treatment and entitlement, forcing players to buy in to the team will make even more of a difference. I don't expect a super bowl or a division crown next season, but even if you want to say we're "rebuilding" I don't see how we're no plus or minus a game from .500 next season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bsilvanus | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM

Looks like they left all media out of loop. Everyone is speculating on what is going on.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

You suspect wrong, then, at least from "this" fan. I'm TIRED of waiting! My patience has run out. We were close last season in many of our games so if they will just fix the O line we should have a much better chance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM

Is it fair to say that you selected "NO" in the poll?

Anybody who selected "NO"...please identify yourself for your much deserved ridicule.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Nice effort JReid.

Unsolicited free advice: Pay attention to what Shanahan and Allen are actually saying. Its far closer to the truth than can be imagined otherwise interviewing folks around the League, and it very closely resembles what they are actually doing.

They tendered the tendees because they CAN, and as they have both said, there are going to be openings, and there is going to be competition.

I don't know what the master plan is at QB/RB/OL wrt the draft, but keep your eye on number 5.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

greg, rotflhao...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The quote was from the Wash Examiner.. So, I cant defend them..
The team now has a surplus of TE's.. so, a Trade is plausible.. regardless of who it is or what the Skins get in return.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 11, 2010 11:32 AM |

They have the same amount of TE's as they had last year, they don't have a surplus.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 11:36 AM
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flounder21, your Midol is wearing off.
how's this??

"The quote was from the Wash Examiner.. So, I cant defend them..
The team now has another TE.. so, a Trade is plausible.. regardless of who it is or what the Skins get in return."
==========
A 4-12 team will not be a FA quick fix and in the playoffs in 2010. BA has essentially said this.
What this means he needs picks... Skins are missing a 3rd and a 6th. And have 5 weeks before the Draft. If they keep JC (no 1st Offer) then they can aim for a franchise QB in 2011. And make a deal (picks and/or players) with a team that wants to move up to the 4th pick.

The first thing Bruce Allen probably thought, when he was offered the GM position for a not-so-young and not-too-deep in talent 4-12 team was;
"Sh-t.. only 5 picks in the best da-mn draft since 1983?"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So sick of hearing the "what has Shanahan won without Elway" line. Answer me this - how many Super Bowls did Elway win before Shanahan arrived in Denver?

Posted by: Carl739 | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The 5% who said no....

Go hang yourselves.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I bet Landry doesn't stay in FL this year for workouts like he always does.

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 11, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that crap about cooley either...thats nuts...and the pick isn't until 2011...screw that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I swear if y'all ain't some of the most bait taking bamas ever....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I like this approach.Also, you have to consider that if there is a new CBA in 2011 with a salary cap and they go back to a player being a free agent after 4 years in the league--there will be a glut of unrestricted free agents on the market. Players this year who are restricted free agents with 5 and 6 years in the league ( and they only sign their one year tender offer)and then you have the players who finish their 4th year this season. That's a lot of players in the prime of their careers and the Skins are sitting there with a low payroll poised to strike.

Posted by: djorl | March 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bsilvanus | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM

Pathetic.

Jcnjcn….now there’s a guy that can put JReid in his place. You could learn a few things from that guy.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 11, 2010, 12:01
With the signing of Sean Ryan by the Redskins, you can see the handwriting on the wall for Chris Cooley. Coming off an ankle injury, and with the emergence of Fred Davis, the team has a surplus of talent at the position. We're hearing that the Redskins have an agreement in place to trade Cooley to an AFC team, for a 2011 draft pick that could be as high as a 2nd rounder, based on performance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

wait, greg reposted a PFT post.....hmmm I bet it was real and I will react to it like Lisa and Bigfoot

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM

Very successful. That new bait is working well....2 already in the boat

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

RIP Merlin Olsen aka "Father Murphy" aka 1/4 of Fearsome Foursome

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

How idiotic is this?? Thank God it came from that idiot Florio. Cooley is proven....Fred Davis had a good end of the year but who knows if that will continue.

Cooley SELLS and the fans love him.


Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 12:00 PM |

How idiotic are you that you let Greg fool you with a PFT post that he's been doing for like a year now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Two pre-draft camps to see what the players on staff fit what they plan to do. Then the Shanny et El still have the draft and the after draft purging of vet players to round out the team. Some of those close games should swing the Redskins way this year. Will the team be a SB contender? I doubt it, but the will be better constructed for the schemes run and the players will be more disciplined.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

its crawdad scent....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Right. They have nothing better to do, since they aren't signing UFA's, so they are glued to their computers, laughing at RI comments. Right.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM
===================================
FredieFritz.
If you are going to keep Re-Posting or REplying to yourself.. At least Post the full context of the Postings.. without the convenient omissions..
Bruce Allen has said he reads the WAPO blogs, RI as one of them.. So, that statement and what I was responding to (p1Funk's Post) was purely rhetorical ...
Below is the full Original posting..

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OH MY HEAVENS!!! WE AREN'T GOING TO RE-SIGN OUR 3RD STRING TE?!?!?

WE WENT OUT AND SIGNED A DIFFERENT 3RD STRING BLOCKING TE!?!?!

WTH, IS THIS FO THINKING???

...man, we are bored around here...

Posted by: p1funk | March 11, 2010 10:44 AM

=========================================
Read once where Bruce Allen admitted to following RI..

He and Shanahan must be laughing their collective as-ses off, now, reading the current Redskin Fan withdrawal symptoms of "no blockbuster FA signings".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 11, 2010 10:58 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 11, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

To SkinsfaninKaneohe - mahalo brah, howzit? I lived in hawaii kai (haole kai) for 6 years, in delaware now. God I miss hawaii - no wahines here to look at!!

Posted by: DEskinzfan | March 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Rebuild or Superbowl?

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Perhaps the most interesting item I took from a 15 minute conversation with the newest member of the Redskins was when I asked him what Mike Shanahan said to him that convinced him — that Washington was the right place at the right time. Kemoeatu said Shanahan told him “We’re shooting for the Super Bowl this year.” I asked Ma’ake what his reaction to that was and he said simply “I bought into it.”

http://1067thefandc.radio.com/2010/03/10/maake-im-a-part-of-something-big/#more-6806

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bsilvanus | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM

Pathetic.

Jcnjcn….now there’s a guy that can put JReid in his place. You could learn a few things from that guy.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You suspect wrong, then, at least from "this" fan. I'm TIRED of waiting! My patience has run out. We were close last season in many of our games so if they will just fix the O line we should have a much better chance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM
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Typical of today's instant gratification culture which, to date, Snyder has personified. That is the primary reason we're in this mess. Chill, and let the professionals work.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess Vinny got on here and voted No 24 times or so... That would makeup the 5%

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You suspect wrong, then, at least from "this" fan. I'm TIRED of waiting! My patience has run out. We were close last season in many of our games so if they will just fix the O line we should have a much better chance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Close to what? Another 8-8 season? Perhaps backing our way into a wildcard game? No thanks. Blow this mother effer up and rebild. Let's build a champion contender. I'll gladly take 2-3 seasons of terrible if it means we are stockpiling young talent and grooming them to play together for years to come. Wait until we are ready to compete then look back into free agency and trades to fill the holes. Until then, draft and sign young nobodies.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

How idiotic is this?? Thank God it came from that idiot Florio. Cooley is proven....Fred Davis had a good end of the year but who knows if that will continue.

Cooley SELLS and the fans love him.


Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2010 12:00 PM |

How idiotic are you that you let Greg fool you with a PFT post that he's been doing for like a year now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

How idiotic am I to have nothing to else to do with my time but think I'm cool by fooling readers with faux PFT posts?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

wow Lisa, forget your meds today?

might be best BTG pull ever....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

oops....sorry for the double post

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

How idiotic am I to have nothing to else to do with my time but think I'm cool by fooling readers with faux PFT posts?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 11, 2010 12:16 PM |

I wouldn't know since I didn't post it take that up with Beangreg.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It's smart to stay out of the FA market this year. Next year the 206 Restricted FA's will be UFA's. Every position other than QB is available. That is the market to take advantage of. So fix your cap and get ready. I don't think the players will cause a lockout b/c they're too greedy to miss a paycheck.

Posted by: davidalanwatts | March 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It's smart to stay out of the FA market this year. Next year the 206 Restricted FA's will be UFA's. Every position other than QB is available. That is the market to take advantage of. So fix your cap and get ready. I don't think the players will cause a lockout b/c they're too greedy to miss a paycheck.

Posted by: davidalanwatts | March 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 11, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

ma-ah-ke ke-mo-ee-ah-tu

say it with me Maake Kemoeatu

ma-ah-ke Ke-mo-ee-ah-tu

Posted by: Dorf | March 11, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question for all the keep JC draft oline 1 and 2...

If Brady Quinn can be had for a 4th (which the ESPNinsider is reporting is the asking price) would you do it?

I actually say yes, if the cost is a 4th round pick or lower I would get him. Cleveland has had no running game, no line, and even less passing weapons then we have. Who knows how good or not good he is but I have to think he's better than anyone in this draft other than maybe Bradford/Clausen and that's a maybe. Thoughts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 11, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I know dude. You indicated that in the post I replied to, remember?..."How idiotic are you that you let Greg fool you with a PFT post that he's been doing for like a year now."

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

no idea what you guys are talking about...I swear that I copied and pasted that from PFT.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

you got me etrod, guilty pleasures 101

Posted by: Dorf | March 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Crap. I should read the thread before I post. Now I look like a Johnny come lately.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 11, 2010 12:16 PM

Bigfoot_has_a_pussy. Thanks to L-S, this is how I'm forced to read your handle.

B_h_a_p- I would say that he's fooled better, but that would be a stretch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I feel we're long overdue for a Samoan on the D line.

Posted by: bostskin | March 11, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Rebuild or Super Bowl?"


That's a silly question as without properly doing one, you get do the other.

So let the Redskin Home Depot personnel team remake the team in the shape of a legit winner.

Let's tear this thing down and put it back together again.

Let'em bring in versitile low-cost young guys and a mix of vets who too want to be team members, and not just visiting money-hungry cookie eaters.

Let'em not rush out and hand massive contracts to guys who don't fit what Shanny and Haslett do on both sides of the ball.

After 4-12 and back to back last place finishes, it's time to wipe the team down just to start out fresh all over again.

We need speed and depth.

The rest of the NFC Est is relatively young and replete with playmakers and good quarterbacks: we need to catch up and be able to match up personnel wise or else.

Rebuild or Super Bowl?: that's not even a question, my young pigskin Hamlet.

I say, "Let's rebuild now so we can go bowling later on."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

O and with this "rebuild" how many starters have we even lost? It seems to me that we pretty much just cut some dead weight. Cornelius Griffen and Levi Jones seem to be the only starters no longer with the team. We have a surplus of DTs and Levi was one of the worst tackles in the league last year. This team is so bad that even going into rebuild mode is going to improve it!! It seems like all we are doing right now is just trying to get enough guys on this roster so we have legitimate depth. a lot of the guys we cut shouldn't have been on the field anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 11, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the poll have a F@CK YES!! Option?

Could it be that Shanahan and Allen have finally been able to do what really needs to be done with this team? That is, have Mike and Bruce locked up and put Dan $nyder where he belongs in the same way that Maynard and Zed locked up the Gimp in Pulp Fiction?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Also, the Redskins don't have a franchise quarterback in place. Shanahan and Allen made that clear when they only gave Jason Campbell a minimum first-round contract tender - not the amount for first- and third-round picks."

Well, I'll disagree with that statement. The first round tender says that the Redskins believe it will take a first-round pick (duh) to replace JC. To me that says BAMS believes he's good enough to start for them next year.

And the appellation "franchise quarterback" gets thrown around WAY too much. 3 years ago Derek Anderson was in the Pro Bowl, so you can't say based on a season a guy's a franchise QB. There are 32 teams in the NFL, but how many franchise QB's are there? 10? Can anybody name them?

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

After Quinn failed, do you really think they are going to take chance on ANOTHER Notre Dame QB with tons of questions marks? Holmgren is smarter than that (at least I think he is, anyways).

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 11, 2010 11:39 AM

Question...Name the last great Sooner QB? Bradford is all but a lock to go #1.

Your logic is flawed, you blame the player, not the school for their lack of success in the NFL. Clausen is the most pro ready QB in the draft and although I wouldn't draft him, your thought process will never enter Holgren's mind.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 11, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Certainly you have to look at the player, not the school, but ... Bradford would've been the #1 pick last year. His only real question mark is the shoulder. As for Clausen, he has several question marks -- footwork, throwing angle, decision-making, touch on shorter passes, accuracy, etc. My point about the Notre Dame is that the Browns would face a little bit of a PR issue drafting another Notre Dame QB, that's not an indictment on Clausen's ability to play.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

rebuilding takes 2-3 years. snyder's track record does not give them 3 years. They need to be competitive while they rebuild! The reality is teh Redskins were the Browns, lions and Bengals the past 5 years. we di not admit to that, but the reality is we were in teh bottom rungs of the NFL. if they draft Bradford they need to keep Campbell to have a competitive product for the next 2 years. if they draft bradford, they better get a OL to protect him.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 11, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

No facts...

No more love from anyone in Ashburn...

No problem...just imagine that voice in your head is a real source and publish it.

Man, I thought this category was non-fiction!

When is the WaPo going to start the rebuilding project on their 'reporters'?

Posted by: RiverRat56 | March 11, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Could it be that Shanahan and Allen have finally been able to do what really needs to be done with this team? That is, have Mike and Bruce locked up and put Dan $nyder where he belongs in the same way that Maynard and Zed locked up the Gimp in Pulp Fiction?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 11, 2010 12:31 PM
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Love the reference.

"You hear me talkin', Hillbilly boy? I'm gonna get medieval on yo' a$$!"

Posted by: shanks1 | March 11, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Also, the Redskins don't have a franchise quarterback in place. Shanahan and Allen made that clear when they only gave Jason Campbell a minimum first-round contract tender - not the amount for first- and third-round picks. The team has not reached an agreement with Campbell's agent on a multiyear extension."
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soooooo, if j.cam is not a "franchise qb" why bring him back?

Matt Moore (ERFA), QB, Panthers. Age: 26.
Tendered by Panthers (1st, 3rd rounds)... not a franchise qb... just a stop gap qb..

Kyle Orton (RFA), QB, Broncos. Age: 27.
Tendered by Broncos (1st round... 1 franchise already gave up on him... now tendered w/ just a 1st rd...

Bruce Gradkowski (RFA), QB, Raiders. Age: 27.
Tendered by Raiders (2nd round)... is the back up and has played for 3 teams already...

Tarvaris Jackson (RFA), QB, Vikings. Age: 27.
Tendered by Vikings (3rd round)... is the 3rd stringer with the vikings...
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last time i check j.cam is better than all those slaps!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 11, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

beep beep means new thread

Posted by: dcsween | March 11, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, most teams would experience a drop after losing arguably the greatest quarterback in NFL history, and the Broncos did.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Elway was a very good QB but NOT even close to being greatest of all-time. (See Joe Montana)

Shanny and Terrell Davis are the only reason Elway has rings (Period)

Posted by: filmchis | March 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the players will cause a lockout b/c they're too greedy to miss a paycheck.

Posted by: davidalanwatts | March 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not there will be a lockout (and I think there will be) is an ownership decision, not the players'. From everything that I've read, the players are happy with the status quo and would just as soon continue under the current contract. This bee is in the owners' bonnet, and I believe the only way that the players can avoid being locked out is to settle on the owners' terms, which I don't see them doing.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll take another couple of last place finishes as long as it appears that some progress is being made. Shanny should be given time to install his schemes and acquire talent. Hopefully, the Skins will have turned the corner by the end of Shanny's 3rd year.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 11, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

franchise QB's are there? 10? Can anybody name them?


Posted by: dpc2003 | March 11, 2010 12:33 PM
Let me try.

Peyton, Brady, Rivers, our division McNabb, Romo, Eli, Ryan, not in any particular order mind you, Cutler, Farve, Brees, these next took some thought, Big Ben, Palmer, Schaub, Chiefs QB?, Rodgers, Stafford, Dirty Sanchez he sucks but will be better, I'll stop. Point is it's turning into a passing league, QB driven league. If you don't have one you better get one. That's why we will not land Bradford at #4.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll take another couple of last place finishes as long as it appears that some progress is being made. Shanny should be given time to install his schemes and acquire talent. Hopefully, the Skins will have turned the corner by the end of Shanny's 3rd year.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 11, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse


Umm, How would progress be made with a couple of last place finishes?

I'm not buying the Doom and Gloom.

I'm not saying we're Super Bowl bound by any means but the 'Skins have more than enough talent to be successful in this league and successful NOW.

Posted by: filmchis | March 11, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

SF needed to add a QB they grabbed David Carr... Cleveland needs one and are looking at Jake Delhomme.. Hey people JC is a free agent.. yes he is restricted but if Jason lovers say he is that good why NO interest??? Cutler last year had 3 or 4 teams interested the minute he was available.. and he cost a lot more than what the Skins will take for JC. See this is how you judge how good a QB is.. If no other team wants him how good can he be???

Posted by: sovine08 | March 11, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Some will give them time, some won't. What matters is the RESULTS. If going slow (read: methodical) produces 7-9 for the next 3 years, then what?

There is alot going on here besides poor football decisions. This franchise has to change HOW IT DOES BUSINESS with it's on the field product and it's fanbase. A great many fans just do not trust Snyder or have faith in him. Some point to his willingness to spend as though that means something; that approach has not produced wins so it matters not. What will matter beyond FA and the draft is training camp being held away from Skins Park, fan treatment/gameday experience UPGRADES, etc.

An entire Organizational Makeover has to occur.

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 11, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

http://redskinsinsighter.blogspot.com/2010/03/recruiting-for-future-years.html

Monday, March 8, 2010
GM Allen's quick release of significant existing talent and slo-go approach to free agency seem to indicate a long-term view towards recruitment -- with an eye toward the 2011 and 2012 playoffs, rather than this years'. Fanbase should expect more disappointment this year and hope that his choices pay off in the long-term.
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Posted by: druppe01 | March 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with them losing a bunch of games next year because I trust that there is a plan.

Last year it was obvious we had no plan. And the losses were ugly and ridiculous. Everyone could tell the team and the head coach were a disaster.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 11, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

¨"Lisa_R" I´m totally agree with u, we need O-line!!

Posted by: maximiliano69 | March 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"GM Allen's quick release of significant existing talent"

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ANd what "significant" existing talent was this that was released?

It was what it was...."dead weight".

Posted by: filmchis | March 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'M SO GLAD THE REDSKINS LEFT YOU GUYS THE POST OUT OF THE LOOP ON WHATS GOING ON J REID YOU ARE A FU*KIN IDIOT FOR WRITING THIS BULLSH*T LIKE WE DIDNT ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS TEAM IS IN REBUILDING AND ITS GOING TO TAKTLE 2-3 YRS. J REID GO PRACTISE SAFE SEX AND GO FU*K YOURSELF BIT*H !!

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If you really are that angry at a sports writer you should just go down to the WP building and confront him. Did he mess with your lady or something? Or maybe like most idiots on the internet they feel the need to be noticed while loving the fact that they can behave like jerks without anyone knowing their identity. Which is it?

Posted by: ged0386 | March 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You guys must lead boring lives. You take the post way to seriously.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 11, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm just happy there seems to be a plan, whatever it is, and I'm fine with the Skins losing more next year while it is implemented. But PLEASE draft a tackle with the 4 pick. Take Dan LeFevour or Tony Pike in a later round, but please don't bet the house with the 4 pick.

Posted by: wavery315 | March 11, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Betts, Rock, Collins, Griff, Mason, ARE, Smoot -- all have shown they can (still) play, and with a credible Oline you would have seen better out of betts and ARE and Collins in particular. Expect to see ARE posting better numbers this year regardless of who Pittsburgh's QB will be.

Posted by: druppe01 | March 11, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

OH PLEASE. Spare me the BS. As soon as they sign a big name free agent, fans and the media will be harping that Mr. SNYDER IS STILL IN CONTROL! That's how fickle the fans and the media are in DC.

Not that I care but I guarantee you that players like Jason Taylor and ARE who have returned to their old teams behind closed doors are probably saying "what a bunch of losers they had in DC", the fans, the media & the team. They deserve exactly what they have".

Posted by: keedrow | March 11, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I WANT SMOOT BACK...I THOUGHT HE DID A GOOD JOB LAST YEAR FEELING IN..

ANYBODY AGREE??

BRING BACK SMOOT!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 11, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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