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Bruce Allen talks about meeting with Brian Westbrook

A few hours after free agent running back Brian Westbrook met with Redskins coaches and front-office executives, General Manager Bruce Allen appeared with Westbrook's high school coach -- DeMatha's Bill McGregor -- in front of about 175 area prep athletes during an NFL-sponsored youth event at Spingarn High. After he spoke with the high school players about being good teammates and maximizing their free time, Allen talked briefly with a few media members about Westbrook.

"We had a good meeting with him," Allen said. "It was an exploratory meeting, and we'll probably have some meetings down the road."

Allen declined to address Westbrook's health or possible contributions to an NFL roster. He said that he's talked with McNabb about his former teammate, but that the quarterback was not part of Wednesday's meeting. He also discussed Westbrook with McGregor before Wednesday's event began, but with the veteran running back already off to visit Denver, it certainly doesn't sound like anything is imminent with the Redskins.

"He does have good character, and we think he would fit in with a lot of the great characters we have on the team," Allen said. "I talked [to the students] about London Fletcher and Donovan McNabb and the type of leadership that we have with the Redskins. And those are the type of players we want to add to our roster."

Allen also briefly discussed Doug Williams, the former Redskins quarterback, who left the Tampa Bay front office this week.

"I talked to Doug today," Allen said. "We shared some fun stories and he told me what transpired [in Tampa Bay], but I'll leave that between us."

Allen was asked if there was a chance of Williams resurfacing in Washington.
"We'll see," he said. "He's got some plans."

By Dan Steinberg  |  May 12, 2010; 6:25 PM ET
Categories:  Bruce Allen , Free agency , Running backs  
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Comments

Take us back to Didney World, Doug!!!

Posted by: noluvdr | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Ting Ting.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Take us back to Didney World, Doug!!!


Posted by: noluvdr | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Low blow...b*tch!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 12, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Steinbog making a rare appearance posting Up Here! Everybody taking a turn during the offseason...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The Bog posts. Now I know something is rotten in Denmark. The mayor is being impeached, I feel it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 12, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The reason Orakpo got dissed is because he plays for the Skins.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 12, 2010 6:13 PM |

Mebbe. But the awards voters sure threw a lot of love the Skins way when they voted Grimm into the HOF.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The Bog posts. Now I know something is rotten in Denmark. The mayor is being impeached, I feel it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 12, 2010 6:50 PM |

It's more like newspapers such as WaPo are sinking to the bottom. Can't even give away Newsweak.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

About Brian Cushing: apparently there have been rumors about him since he was in high school in New Jersey. Rather than abashed about getting caught, he's probably thinking, "six games? for years of PED use? I'll take that."

Maybe we should have separate Super Bowls for juicers and non-juicers... twice as many ad dollars, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I studied kinesiology had to take a dance class. Once I saw the girls there I wanted to change my major

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 6:51 PM

which makes Jim Thorpe just all that more impressive for sticking with it.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"Given his concussion history, we asked him some questions to test his mental faculties. I asked him how many fingers I was holding up and he thought I was holding up 14. I asked him to spell his last name backwards. He turned his chair so that it faced away from my desk. For some reason, he then spelled his last name 'S U P E R B O W L XVII', which was the poster that I had on the wall that he was facing. We decided to end the interview at that point."

Posted by: randysbailin | May 12, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Love it...bring in Brian and bring in Doug. There's literally no downside.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 12, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

... we think he would fit in with a lot of the great characters we have on the team," Allen said. "I talked about London Fletcher and Donovan McNabb and the type of leadership that we have with the Redskins. And those are the type of players we want to add to our roster."

Old players?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

About Brian Cushing: apparently there have been rumors about him since he was in high school in New Jersey.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 12, 2010 7:00 PM |

The dud was drafted in the top half of the 1st round of the 2009 draft despite rampant speculation that he was a juicehead. I guess there is always one team that is willing to be sucker punched. This year it was Denver choosing Tebow in the 1st round, but their concern won't be Timmy scarfing PEDs.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

most overrated player of all time..................wait for it....................Ryan Leaf!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 12, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

sign westbrook n then release the self described cowgirl fan parker.. then bring in the MVP #17..

Posted by: cboyhater | May 12, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

sign westbrook n then release the self described cowgirl fan parker.. then bring in the MVP #17..

Posted by: cboyhater | May 12, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

MARIO VAN PEEBLES?

Posted by: willfacc10 | May 12, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Take us back to Didney World, Doug!!!


Posted by: noluvdr | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse
It's amazing to see how fast jacka$$e$ come out of the woodwork.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | May 12, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

No, no, digging deeper than that, willfacc10, all the way (sweet)back to the source: Melvin Van Peebles.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

No, no, digging deeper than that, willfacc10, all the way (sweet)back to the source: Melvin Van Peebles.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 7:43 PM

good call there Nate.... Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song is a classic.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing to see how fast jacka$$e$ come out of the woodwork.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | May 12, 2010 7:41 PM |

No, no, digging deeper than that, willfacc10, all the way (sweet)back to the source: Melvin Van Peebles.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 7:43 PM |

It looks like Baadassssses are coming out of the woodwork as well.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

the original "Shaft" flicks w/ Richard Roundtree are great, too.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

'night all... thinking about going fishing tomorrow, will try to catch up as time permits.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Shhhhh. Don't jinx it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 12, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable!
cushing tests positive and he still gets ROY in a re-vote. i know it's just a silly award, but sheesh..... guess people don't think steroids are such a big deal. and the penalty is what? a 4 game suspension? the texans should have to FORFEIT those 4 games....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 12, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that the League is really serious about enforcing it's policy on PEDs?

How refreshing.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 12, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I am glad the Redskins did not take that guy! I am sooooooooo glad they took Orakpo instead!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Mebbe. But the awards voters sure threw a lot of love the Skins way when they voted Grimm into the HOF.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

you mean finally? Had to happen eventually

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 12, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Um.

The Canadiens are beating the Penguins after 2 in game 7.

Some consolation, anyway.

I think, maybe, the Habs (wtf is that?) might not suck. Their D is OK.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 12, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Habs is short for Les Habitants.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 12, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Habs is an abbreviation of "les habitants," the informal name given to the original settlers of New France, dating back to the 17th Century. So it's a natural fit for the The Montreal Canadiens, established in 1909 and marketed as a French-Canadian hockey team.

Having said that, the nickname might have been the result of an error. According to NHL.com, the first man to refer to the team as "the Habs" was Tex Rickard, owner of Madison Square Garden, in 1924. Rickard apparently told a reporter that the "H" on the Canadiens' sweaters was for "Habitants." Not true. The distinctive C-wrapped-around-H logo stands for "Club de Hockey Canadien."

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/history/f/canadiens_habs.htm

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 12, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Allen was asked if there was a chance of Williams resurfacing in Washington."


Hiring Doug Williams is a no brainer.

I'd also reach out to some of the team's old timers, and ask them to chat up the team's history.

For a lot of the guys on the team, the days of the Over the Hill Gang, The Hawgs, the National Defense, and the reasons why there is a cowboys/redskins rivalry are rumors and of no consequence.

Bringing back the past in the face of Williams, Charles Mann, et al. would be a great thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Steinbog making a rare appearance posting Up Here! Everybody taking a turn during the offseason...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 6:45 PM

... and not saying a WORD about Haynesworth (Steinbog is 3 for 3 this week on the Haynesworth Extended Minicamp Dance Remix stories this week ... he's shooting for 5 for 5).

I'm staking my position right now ... I completely heart Haynesworth as a Skin, have no cotton with his views on minicamping or nosetackling, and will piss and moan like the crew of an unfunded rescue carrier if the Skins even trade, much less cut the guy. I might even go out and buy a jersey.

Posted by: dcsween | May 12, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

This should come as no surprise, sween, but I completely agree with you.

And I think Steinberg wandered over here specifically because he doesn't want to dilute his week of Haynie stories with too much about the other 142 dudes on the roster or potentially on the roster.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Also, on that other thing, I have no compunction whatever about rooting for the Habs over the damned Penguins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

trade fatsworth for lights out please get rid of this waste they say lights out is on da market

Posted by: MRIDDICK1 | May 12, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, did you all hear that Albert Haynesworth isn't coming to the optional practices?

Posted by: daggar | May 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see Doug Williams back in the Redskins fold. What a class act.

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Posted by: itkonlyyou56 | May 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank the Pittsburg Penguins for participating in the 2010 NHL playoffs.

Hey Thinker_...as Nelson from the Simpsons would say. HA HA

All NBA starting 5
C Wilt Chamberlian
PF Bill Russell
SF Bird
SG MJ
PG Magic

Coach Red Auerbach

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Habs is an abbreviation of "les habitants," the informal name given to the original settlers of New France, dating back to the 17th Century.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 12, 2010 9:01 PM |

You can call it New France or whatever you want but they weren't the original settlers. If Montreal wants to go that route they should be calling themselves Les Algonquins. But if they do, just know that DC beat them to it with Les Skins. Heh, heh.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pens fan...When is game 8?

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 12, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"We had a good meeting with him," Allen said. "It was an exploratory meeting, and we'll probably have some meetings down the road."

It was exploratory the way a proctological examination is exploratory. Heh, heh.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

trade fatsworth for lights out please get rid of this waste they say lights out is on da market

Posted by: MRIDDICK1 | May 12, 2010 9:49 PM |

Cushy and Lights Out = pedsophiles

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Tiger Woods Update:

MRI reveals that Tiger has an inflamed neck joint that makes it painful to turn his head. Treatment involves medication, rest and regular massages.

Tiger commented that he's "Looking forward to a happy ending on this one."


D'oh!

Posted by: edvar | May 12, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Pens fan. I'm a Caps fan. But, it's a love / hate relationship. I love when they don't choke and I hate it when they do.

At least they took out the Penguins in similar fashion. Actually, worse, I'd say. So, maybe the Caps arent the chokers I've been calling them. Seems the Canadiens are just a better team. Their D is great and their goalie is about the best I've seen in a while.

Get hot at the right time. That's what they say. Gotta hand it to the Canadiens. Good Team.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 12, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Woulda been nice to see the Caps beat the daylights outta the Penguins, though.

Lord knows we owe em.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 12, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Their D is great and their goalie is about the best I've seen in a while.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 12, 2010 10:52 PM |

A good goalie can mask a lot of shortcomings, as the Habs know. The converse of that is also true, as the Caps know.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

MRI reveals that Tiger has an inflamed neck joint that makes it painful to turn his head. Treatment involves medication, rest and regular massages.

Posted by: edvar | May 12, 2010 10:49 PM |

Treatment also involves using the platelet-rich plasma (PRP) process that takes a person's own blood and separates the platelets in a centrifuge and then injects it into a targeted area of the body with the aim of speeding heeling. PRP was developed by the world-reknown Canadian sawbones, Dr. Anthony Galea. Heh, heh.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

All NBA starting 5
C Wilt Chamberlian
PF Bill Russell
SF Bird
SG MJ
PG Magic

Posted by: Diesel44

In my all time 5, I also moved Russell to PF. Only difference is I have Oscar Robertson over Magic. Magic is the 6th man ... perfect because he can play G, F and C.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 11:13 PM

If I went with a 6th man it would have been "O". I'd be foolish to argue with your 5 and you can't go wrong with those 6 players.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 12, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

shame about Bernard King's knees. my money's on MJ as GOAT, but King was always my favorite. loved it when he came to the Bullets late in his career and almost took the scoring title from MJ that one year.

if it wasn't for the bum wheels he could have been in the discussion.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 12, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Get off the Doug Williams bandwagon. He is one of the dumbest athletes I have ever listened to. He makes Clinton Portis look smart in comparison, a complete embarrassment to the American education system. Strong arm, yes, Strong man, yes, strong mind, not a shot. He quit on the Skins during the Super Bowl year when he held himself out of the NY Giants game and then cried and said he shouldn't lose his job due to an injury. He divided that team. If he has some great ability as a personnel guy, then give him a shot, if he has not proved to be a great talent finder, do not hire him. Affirmative action is not needed when finding talent for the Redskins roster. With the above examples, I ask, What does he possibly have to offer to make us a better team?

Posted by: 1bmffwb | May 13, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

1bmffwb,

You are far and away the most ignorant and completely idiotic poster in RI history. And that's saying something. Just because someone doesn't speak the King's English doesn't mean he's stupid. Playing QB in the NFL effectively isn't an accident. You have to process a lot of information in a short period of time and he did it as well as anyone on the game's biggest stage. Stupid people can't do that. They fall by the wayside like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell.

And then the crap about dividing the team and affirmative action...so off base it's not even worthy of categorically breaking down the many ways that's flat wrong.

Sounds to me like you need to see a professional and resolve whatever issues you have with black people. Dipsh*t.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Whooo-we...This all we got?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 13, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

Boy, it's TOO quiet up here...I smell another Haynesworth post from JReid to jump start it again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Um, Jason, Bugel was the offensive line coach during Grimm's career, not the offensive coordinator...

Posted by: truke | May 13, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Boy, it's TOO quiet up here...I smell another Haynesworth post from JReid to jump start it again...

Posted by: brownwood26

Brown you know a Haynesworth post is coming.

Posted by: jm220 | May 13, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"About Brian Cushing: apparently there have been rumors about him since he was in high school in New Jersey."


Don't you like how with baseball, PEDS generates much chatta, but with football, folks just shrug their shoulders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

1bmffwb,

You are far and away the most ignorant and completely idiotic poster in RI history. ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 5:25 AM

Damb. I work my @ss off for this honor for nearly five something years and this guy gets it on this first day. Can't I be the 'most' of anything?

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't you like how with baseball, PEDS generates much chatta, but with football, folks just shrug their shoulders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 7:24 AM


That's because with baseball everything is so individualized and stat-oriented, it's heresy to think that someone may be hitting those numbers artificially. In football, Cushing is just one of 11 guys out there and most people couldn't give a sh*t about what his stats look like.

Personally, I think the steroid topic is one of the most overblown and ultimately useless discussions in sports.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Can't I be the 'most' of anything?

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2010 7:31 AM


Will the label "Poster with the Moster" make you feel better?

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

1bmffwb

"...I ask, What does he possibly have to offer to make us a better team?"

You're right.

What does a guy who's been through several fires, played well on a world stage, then, a few years later, finds himself unemployed have to teach the young'ns on our roster?

And about affirmitive action, you're also right:

We don't need any successful, competent black or white or hispanic people speaking--in their respective portionate numbers--to young professionals who might want advice.

Let's leave the ignore an unaware where they are.

You know: the place where you are now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Always admired Westbrook. Hell of a player. But, man, with the concussions... Not sure how he'd help, really. There aren't a lot of positions on a football team that don't carry the risk of head trauma.

And the concussion that he took AFTER the London Fletcher one was not even a hard shot. I'm not sure Westbrook could last a game at RB, honestly. I'd bet against him, unfortunately.

Too bad we couldn't have gotten him a few years ago, but now?

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 13, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Will the label "Poster with the Moster" make you feel better?

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 7:42 AM

I think the poster formerly known as league source/talent evaluator posts more than I do.

But I like you thinking and rhyming ... and I do think toast would make me feel better ... so I'm off.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Always admired Westbrook. Hell of a player. But, man, with the concussions...

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 13, 2010 7:55 AM


I haven't heard that his concussions were any worse than the one that landed Portis on IR last year. I don't get why so many here are so fired up about Portis' presumed return to prominence yet think that Westbrook is done.

We wouldn't be asking Westbrook to carry the run game. He'd be a change of pace back and one of the better 3rd down backs in the league. Since nobody currently on the roster fits that bill, they'd be crazy not to at least kick the tires on #36.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

That's because with baseball everything is so individualized and stat-oriented...

Posted by: brownwood26

"A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone."

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

brown

"Personally, I think the steroid topic is one of the most overblown and ultimately useless discussions in sports."


Agreed.

Doncha like how one minute it's, "Chicks love the longball!" then, "For shame! You cheated to hit the longball!"

"And oh, don't expect us to give back the profits generated during the time you cheated to hit the longball."

"Cuz, then, we'd be cheatin' ourselves."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Will the label "Poster with the Moster" make you feel better?

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 7:42 AM

I think the poster formerly known as league source/talent evaluator posts more than I do.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2010 8:00 AM

dcsween = Poster with the Moster
talent evaluator/league source = Poster with the Mostest

Posted by: beep-beep | May 13, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"...I smell another Haynesworth post from JReid to jump start it again..."


Hope not.

But I would like to have an overall analysis of how the roster's changed since Shanallen has taken over.

Age-wise, we're about the same.

But are we better depth-wise?

Are there any holes yet to be filled?

Which players from last season might find themselves unemployed come Labor Day?

Are there any vet out there worth a good look?

How would an injury to, say, S Moss totally effect the team's prospects?

Is the draft of 2008 is bad as it seems for our team?

Finally, are there any general similarities to the types of players added that hint at what the team will look next Fall?

These are just a few ideas for threads that I'd explore, but hey: my job is to make sure mrsmoe stays on her back.

So I'lllet the professional journalists do theirs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't get why so many here are so fired up about Portis' presumed return to prominence yet think that Westbrook is done.

Posted by: brownwood26


There are several reasons for this.


* When Portis is healthy he is a top 5 RB.
* By the time the season starts Westbrook will be 31, Portis will be 28.
* Westbrook has a history of missing games -- he NEVER played in all 16 games.
* Portis has a legacy here, Westbrook doesn't.


But with all that said, I'd still like to see the backfield consist of Portis, LJ, and Westbrook on opening day.

Parker is useless. He's a speed back that doesn't have speed anymore.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Doncha like how one minute it's, "Chicks love the longball!" then, "For shame! You cheated to hit the longball!"


The whole "chicks love the long ball" thing was when baseball was digging themselves out of the '94 strike. That's why from '95 until about '01 people just turned their heads when it came to steroid use.

People didn't start giving a damn about 'roids until Bonds broke the HR record a mere five years after McGwire broke it -- after it stood for about 25 years.

People also took noticed because Bonds is a complete jerk, people wanted to find something questionable about him, and was more than happy to expose it once they did.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

"Personally, I think the steroid topic is one of the most overblown and ultimately useless discussions in sports."

'Fraid I have to disagree. You may be right that we never know for certain how many folks are out there juicing -- particularly given the reality of testing (or the lack of it) in places like the Caribbean. But there are real health consequences to sustained, high-level juicing. Not that we're entirely clear on how prevalent those are, partly because it's so incredibly difficult to research in a population dedicated to denying use altogether.

But just for a moment, imagine that your kids know their 'heroes' are juicing (once they reach adolescence, your kids do know this, by the way.)

Caveat emptor is different when you think it's a fifteen-year old making those 'informed consumer decisions' about steroid use.

Anyway, something to think about. By the way, I suspect juicing in its various forms is more prevalent in the NFL than any other major league.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Red, I'd agree with most of that but I have a hard time believing that Westbrook can't help AT ALL...I think he's done as an every-down back (probably shoulda never been one to begin with, IMO) but I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe he can't be a good part-time player in small doses. It's not like we traded for him...as a cheap 2nd option, I like him a lot.

Agreed on Parker...one of the biggest head-scratcher signings of the year thus far.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all from the middle of NY Harbor.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 13, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all from the middle of NY Harbor.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 13, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"People didn't start giving a damn about 'roids until Bonds broke the HR record a mere five years after McGwire broke it -- after it stood for about 25 years.posted by RedDMV."

Of course they did. The story has been breaking from time to time since the 60's. Think Lyle Alzado in chemo. Crazy Bill Romanowski. The strange fall from grace of Tony Mandarich. Most of the stories came from football, but don't forget Lasse Viren and blood-doping. The guy would futz along as a distance runner and then every four years win the Olympics. And there were the East Germans -- remember how well they did at the Olympiads? Heck, they were juicing long before Jack LaLanne did infomercials.

It was juicing in baseball that was relatively new to the public. What does 'roids have to do with hitting a baseball? Throwing a pitch? Fielding a hot grounder? It was counter-intuitive in a skill sport.

I guess we found out, didn't we?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

west, you fishing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

But just for a moment, imagine that your kids know their 'heroes' are juicing (once they reach adolescence, your kids do know this, by the way.)

Caveat emptor is different when you think it's a fifteen-year old making those 'informed consumer decisions' about steroid use.

Anyway, something to think about. By the way, I suspect juicing in its various forms is more prevalent in the NFL than any other major league.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 8:25 AM


Seems to me it's the same as a teenager that idolizes their favorite rapper and emulating their affinity for the whacky tobacky.

Sure it's a problem, but I don't think it should overshadow the baseball product as a whole. It seems the media (and ESPN in particular) is more interested in the drama surrounding sports instead of covering the actual games themselves. No topic has dominated baseball more than steroids over the last decade and I think that's completely unnecessary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Samson151, I was talking about 'roids in baseball, and how no one cared about it in baseball until Bonds broke the record in 2003.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm not here to talk about the past.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

west, you fishing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 8:33 AM

Middle of New York harbor for fishing? Hardly. He was dropped over the side of a boat with cement boots by friends of Tony Soprano.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 13, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

By the way, the way to dramatically reduce the juicing in any major sport is to penalize not just the player, but the club. Loss of draft choice(s) is an option, and/or a stiff fine. The penalty would be levied if the club hadn't lived up to League-required testing protocols.

That is if anybody's interested in actually reducing use of PEDs in pro sports. Maybe we're happier not knowing.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

No Greg
I'm on a tugboat. In enemy territory.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 13, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

By the way, the way to dramatically reduce the juicing in any major sport is to penalize not just the player, but the club. Loss of draft choice(s) is an option, and/or a stiff fine. The penalty would be levied if the club hadn't lived up to League-required testing protocols.

That is if anybody's interested in actually reducing use of PEDs in pro sports. Maybe we're happier not knowing.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 8:54 AM

Don't agree. You want to penalize the people who are responsible for taking the PED's -- the players. Clubs have no control over what these guys do when they're not inside the facility.

If you want to reduce it then test more frequently and increase the penalties -- lifetime bans from the sport.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 13, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"Sure it's a problem, but I don't think it should overshadow the baseball product as a whole. It seems the media (and ESPN in particular) is more interested in the drama surrounding sports instead of covering the actual games themselves. No topic has dominated baseball more than steroids over the last decade and I think that's completely unnecessary.Posted by: brownwood26"

Of course the media loves drama -- that drives ratings. The reason juicing has dominated baseball discussions is twofold. First, because it was unexpected -- baseball seemed like an unlikely candidate, since the game relies so much on skill. Second, because the major leagues have so resolutely (and successfully) resisted doing anything about it. If they'd taken a few simple steps... but there were barriers that nobody cared to cross.

You could argue that the 'baseball product as a whole' has been altered profoundly by juicing among US and Latin players alike. So when does it become important enough to address with an eye to actually changing the game's culture?

Obviously not so far.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Sosa: No tomé esteroides

Congressman: Mr. Sosa, could you please speak English?

Sosa: Nunca he tomado una inyección de esteroides o cualquier otra sustancia ilegal.

Congressman: Mr. Sosa, for the last time, could you please speak English?

Sosa: Béisbol sido muy bueno conmigo

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

All NBA starting 5
C Wilt Chamberlian
PF Bill Russell
SF Bird
SG MJ
PG Magic

Coach Red Auerbach

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry, Bird and Russell aren't on the team if you're not a Celtics homer. The real all-time starting 5 is:

C Wilt Chamberlain
PF Tim Duncan
SF Dr. J.
SG - Jordan (that's hurts to write that)
PG - Magic

Coach Phil Jackson (most championships of any coach, including Red)

Backups:

C Kareem
PF Karl Malone
SF Elgin Baylor
SG Kobe
PG Oscar R.

A few off the bench:

C Shaq, Hakeem
F Dominique Wilkins, Kevin Garnett (team would need a defensive stopper)
G Jerry West, John Stockton

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 13, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

red, thats funny...the best one, however was that fraud Rafael P. wagging his finger with such indigence, then getting pinched at a later date......you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Samson151, I was talking about 'roids in baseball, and how no one cared about it in baseball until Bonds broke the record in 2003.

Posted by: RedDMV

The Steroid thing was starting to come out prior to Bonds breaking the record. It was not because Bonds was a jerk or a minority but more timing. People were already digging into Sammy Sosa who looked like a caged animal sweating profusely. They also saw Andro in McGwires locker which caused a big stir. In 2001 minor league baseball banned steroids as there were starting to see stories leak like the LA times article in 95 and ESPN article in 2000. Manny Alexander was also linked to a steroid bust. People were all over steroids leading into the year Bonds hit his 73 home runs. The Government was already pushing MLB and the players union to ban them.

Posted by: srobert1117 | May 13, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Bird and Russell aren't on the team if you're not a Celtics homer.

post of the day.....for humor, and idiocy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Bird and Russell aren't on the team if you're not a Celtics homer. The real all-time starting 5 is:

C Wilt Chamberlain
PF Tim Duncan
SF Dr. J.
SG - Jordan (that's hurts to write that)
PG - Magic

Coach Phil Jackson (most championships of any coach, including Red)

Backups:

C Kareem
PF Karl Malone
SF Elgin Baylor
SG Kobe
PG Oscar R.

A few off the bench:

C Shaq, Hakeem
F Dominique Wilkins, Kevin Garnett (team would need a defensive stopper)
G Jerry West, John Stockton

Posted by: skinsfan713

I'd put Bird on the team before Dr. J, and Elgin Baylor.

I'm sort of a youngin', but I know stats and can watch tape.

Bird is EASILY a top 10 all-time NBA baller. Easily.

On your second team, I'd start Hakeem at the 4 over Malone.

And for the "off the bench" guys, I'd give the nod to GP aka 'The Glove' over Stockton.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"Don't agree. You want to penalize the people who are responsible for taking the PED's -- the players. Clubs have no control over what these guys do when they're not inside the facility.If you want to reduce it then test more frequently and increase the penalties -- lifetime bans from the sport.Posted by: beep-beep"

Not so. No testing program is perfect, but any decent testing program (decent= accurate, frequent, and monitored) can unearth the majority of sustained juice use. Having Draconian penalties like 'lifetime bans' just encourages the leagues (and the owners who run them) to lag on their testing programs. A club like Houston, who drafted Cushing knowing about his 'issues' in college, is basically protected. You could argue that Houston benefited from the player's performance during the period he was using PEDs, and now bears no liability for its unfair advantage over the competition.

Penalize the club, and the juicing will greatly diminish. The league will come up with ways of implementing testing programs in the off-season, and additional player penalties will be written into every new contract.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

red, thats funny...the best one, however was that fraud Rafael P. wagging his finger with such indigence, then getting pinched at a later date......you can't make this stuff up...


Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Bean, it seemed like Palmeiro got knocked the next day for 'roids.

Never will forget that idiot wearing earplugs in his ears while at bat due to the ENTIRE stadium heckling him for his positive test.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Take us back to Didney World, Doug!!!

Posted by: noluvdr | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM
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Dumba$$, clean the wax (racism) out of your ears and check the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJgC_b4EMU

Posted by: kingpenn1 | May 13, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

red, he's a self admitted lakers fan, so of course he's not going to give any celtic any cred....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

well, while we're waiting for the next AH post... i will reprise a post of mine from about 6 months ago:
___________________________________________

i propose this in all seriousness:
some day, our beloved 'skins will have to change their name.

our new name should be intimidating (lions, tigers, bears) and emblematic of our fine city (patriots, packers, cowboys). these days it must be politically correct, and humor is always good...so...i propose we name it in honor of the most powerful force in the most powerful city in the world:

the BUREAUCRACY.

not the milquetoast diplomats, senators, nationals or capitals. i mean, who’s afraid of a diplomat? and it rolls off the tongue: the "WASHINGTON BUREAUCRACY"....

also, NOT "the bureaucrats" – individual bureaucrats come and go, but the bureaucracy endures. it is unassailable, ominous, but nebulous – impossible to pin down. eventually, the bureaucracy will crush you. people "outside the beltway" already hate the washington bureaucracy. you can’t fight city hall.

team uniforms would obviously be blue, gray and black with pinstripes and maybe a splash of color where the breast pocket hanky would be. a whole array of associated imagery presents itself. the logo is a man in a suit and fedora carrying a briefcase checking his watch while crossing the street and talking on his cell phone. cheerleaders wear (sexy) power suits with sneakers and their hair in buns. coaches are referred as chairmen of the various boards: we’d have the "department of defense", the "department of offense" and "special forces". huddles are conferences, plays are policies. touchdowns are celebrated with baskets of shredded paper and red tape streaming from the stands.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 5, 2009 9:39 PM
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what do you think? i know it's unpleasant to think about losing the beautiful burgundy and gold, but some day, maybe 5 or 10 or 20 yrs from now, it's gonna happen. we should be prepared so we don't end up with a stupid name like "wizards". sheesh - what do wizards have to do with washington?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 13, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

what was the time frame, from the point that he wagged his finger to getting pinched.....these guys, I mean, what UMBRAGE it takes to do something like that...what narcissism on their parts to go before congress condoning this behavior, and in real life they're fully engaged in it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Strasburg dominates with six hitless innings"


So if this kid is indeed all-that, why are the 'Nats dragging their feet?

Could it be contractual?

Could it be to keep him from becoming arbitration eligible too soon?

Could it be they'd rather play games with their fanbase than putting their best talent on the field?

Could it be the usual sorry azzed games baseball teams play where they beg for stadium money to attract quality players, then play games with getting them in uniform and on the field?

The answer to all of this is:

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

That would explain the SEVEN Lakers on his team and ZERO Celtics, I guess.

Surpirsed he didn't throw George Mikan, him being the NBAs first skilled big man.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Anyone putting Tim Duncan on any kind of top 5 all-time list is either Tim Duncan's mom or off-the-charts mentally retarded. I mean, that's some "Sports_Guru" level crap right there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

As far as all these ridiculous "All-Time" starting 5 goes; just give me the 1992 DreamTeam.

Still there has never been a more dominant force in sports.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

A club like Houston, who drafted Cushing knowing about his 'issues' in college, is basically protected. You could argue that Houston benefited from the player's performance during the period he was using PEDs, and now bears no liability for its unfair advantage over the competition.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 9:12 AM |

Not at all. If Cushing is prohibited from playing again Houston is badly screwed. They wasted a #1 pick and the signing bonus that they paid him.

Your idea seems to be to have two testing systems - the club would test and the league would test. If the club catches the guy, they would keep it quiet because if they tell the league then they lose their draft choices. The league is testing to see if the club has been honest.

Agree to disagree.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow, surprised we're still talking about hoops. Had a good discussion up here yesterday.

Bean - nervous about the Bruins yet?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 13, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

holy cowsh!t, just caught this post from ESPN insider:

"Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth will be unloaded to the Jaguars for CB Rashean Mathis and undisclosed 2011 draft picks. details soon"

'skins pick up a verteran player for the secondary who can split time at CB and FS, and AH will play in a base 4-3.

we can settle the exact terms of the wager later, RomoLongballs...

expect your obligatory JReid insider "scoop" in due haste, crow eaters.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 13, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"Personally, I think the steroid topic is one of the most overblown and ultimately useless discussions in sports.

Posted by: brownwood26"

Samson stole what would have been my response.

The number one issue isn't about how it affects the merits of the sport. It's about the serious safety and health issues that arise with young athletes seeking to gain the success they see on tv, and how the culture epidemically spreads with players ultimately attempting to 'stay even' with their juicing competition.

It's disgusting that people can turn a blind eye on PED use in sports.

Posted by: psps23 | May 13, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

here's the link... you might need an ESPN subscription to get past the paywall:

insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=schefter/features/%2rumors#4817%2/haynesworth.trade

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

ryp, yeah, not sure what they're doing, but nervous was for game 5, game 6 was time to panic, and now the panic button has been hit so many times, its in pieces....

moodly, is that showing on PFT yet....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

red, he's a self admitted lakers fan, so of course he's not going to give any celtic any cred....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse
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Yes, I am a Laker fan and I generally hate Larry Bird too much to give him any credit, but in all seriousness I don't think he's a top 5 player. Dr. J was way more athletic, and I'll take that every time on my starting 5. My team has Duncan to serve as the steady/firm guy. You couple the most dynamic player ever (Dr. J) with the guy with the best court vision and ability to run the fast break of anyone, ever (Magic) - that'd be truly scary. And then you throw Jordan and Kobe in to defend and make impossible jumpers, with Wilt and Duncan to get every rebound. They would be inncredible. I don't think Bird fits with that team.

Russell was before my time for me to have seen him live, but I leave him off my all-time lists because (aside from my loathing of the Celtics) because of his lack of a great offensive game. I think I can basically duplicate what he does, only better, with Duncan. And I think, frankly, that he'd get pulverized by some of the great PFs of the modern era, and he flat out couldn't be a center. In my opinion, the era he happened to play in helped him way more than some others.

I agree with Payton over Stockton - that's a good idea.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 13, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

if that trade rumor is true, curious as to what we're getting as far as 2011 picks are concerned...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone putting Tim Duncan on any kind of top 5 all-time list is either Tim Duncan's mom or off-the-charts mentally retarded. I mean, that's some "Sports_Guru" level crap right there...

Posted by: brownwood26"

Hah, seriously? Tim Duncan is the most dominant player since Jordan. Duncan never had his Pippen. Duncan never had Bryant or Wade. He didn't have Kareem. He still won 4 titles. And he's NEVER missed the playoffs (in a conference that's arguably the most competitive in all of sports -- ever). He's the greatest offensive post-player of all-time, and he was a dominant defensive force to boot.

On the list of power-forwards, there's Tim Duncan, then there's everyone else.

Posted by: psps23 | May 13, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

not yet greg, but I think this rumor has legs... Schefter was pretty specific.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 13, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

good one moodly....

washington bureaucrats?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 13, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'll add a caveat to the Duncan rant; he did have his Pippen for about a year or two - David Robinson before he fell off.

Posted by: psps23 | May 13, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

if that trade rumor is true, curious as to what we're getting as far as 2011 picks are concerned...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


I think the ole' Moodly pulled the leather over your eyes.

Who let the cows out!!! Moo....moo,moo!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 13, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Duncan isn't top 5 players all time, but he's at the top of the PF list.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 13, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

713, at least you're honest in that you let your hate for all things celtic cloud your logic...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hah, seriously? Tim Duncan is the most dominant player since Jordan. Duncan never had his Pippen. Duncan never had Bryant or Wade. He didn't have Kareem. He still won 4 titles. And he's NEVER missed the playoffs (in a conference that's arguably the most competitive in all of sports -- ever). He's the greatest offensive post-player of all-time, and he was a dominant defensive force to boot.

On the list of power-forwards, there's Tim Duncan, then there's everyone else.

Posted by: psps23 | May 13, 2010 9:37 AM


I'm sorry...all I heard was "blah blah blah HE'S STILL NOT AS GOOD AS BILL RUSSELL blah blah blah"...

Hope that Haynesworth rumor is true...top notch DB AND draft picks? I shoulda known Del Rio would get a boner for AH....

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

People argue that Tim Duncan is the greatest "four" of all time. And I think I might have to agree with that.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone better, IMO.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Take us back to Didney World, Doug!!!

Posted by: noluvdr | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM
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Dumba$$, clean the wax (racism) out of your ears and check the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJgC_b4EMU

Posted by: kingpenn1 | May 13, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

My bad, I was just joking...I'm black too, so I thought ya'll wouldn't mind a little humor.

Posted by: noluvdr | May 13, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Tim Duncan is the most dominant player since Jordan. Duncan never had his Pippen. Duncan never had Bryant or Wade. He didn't have Kareem. He still won 4 titles. And he's NEVER missed the playoffs (in a conference that's arguably the most competitive in all of sports -- ever). He's the greatest offensive post-player of all-time, and he was a dominant defensive force to boot.On the list of power-forwards, there's Tim Duncan, then there's everyone else.Posted by: psps23"

I appreciate the passion, but I don't see how that's possible (particularly that bit about the greatest offensive PF ever). Just to compare with Karl Malone, for instance:

1. Tim's averaged 21 over his 14 seasons. Karl Malone averaged 25 over 19. Tim's FG% lifetime is .508, Karl's is .516.
2. Tim has the edge in RBs, averaging 11.7 to 10.10, but remember that's over fewer seasons. Karl actually averaged .5 more assists per game. Duncan averaged 0.8 steals, Malone 1.41. Tim had a clear edge in average blocks per game.
3. Karl started 193 playoff games and averaged 41 minutes in them. Tim has started 170 and averaged 39.6.

What Karl's team didn't do was win an NBA championship, and I'm betting that's what makes you think Duncan was clearly superior.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Not at all. If Cushing is prohibited from playing again Houston is badly screwed. They wasted a #1 pick and the signing bonus that they paid him.Your idea seems to be to have two testing systems - the club would test and the league would test. If the club catches the guy, they would keep it quiet because if they tell the league then they lose their draft choices. The league is testing to see if the club has been honest.Agree to disagree.Posted by: beep-beep"

Two problems with the lifetime ban. First, it's eminently challengeable in law. Second, it places the club's incentive squarely on the side of deception. If the player gets caught, they lose his services. But then, they don't have to pay him, either. So unless he's a big star, it's probably worth it.

Compare it with a company that relies on underpaid undocumented immigrant workers (the meat industry, for instance). If they get caught, they get a fine and lose productivity. But when the heat is off, most go back to hiring undocumenteds because the dollars come out in their favor. Increase the penalties on the employers and the practice decreases dramatically.

A talented kid in the Dominican who basically quit school in the ninth grade is going to take whatever risk he can in order to get access to a job with a pay scale that annually exceeds his lifetime prospects in his home country. Doesn't matter how much is at stake if he gets caught; he'll still take the risk. And as long as the risk is mostly on the player's end, the clubs will continue to support it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Burgundy&Gold Family!...Made it through one very long year in Iraq. I'm lucky!..Very..Very Lucky! With that being said, I rather have Westbrook than Parker on the team. This guys knows the inside and outside of every NFL Stadium, especially players and their tendercies within the division. Now you know that McNabb and West have been REDSKINS KILLERS for year. Although late in their careers, how about they turn the tables on the folks in Philly? T.O ALERT!..DeJean Jacksom will become the next T.O. in the league. Young man needs to keep his mouth shut. Watch for him and KORN on the Kolb going at each other on the sideline. He's going to have to swallow his pride when he see DM connecting with young and old receivers for TD's.

In closing, I want to know just how many people plan to go to CANTON to see RUSS GRIMM get inducted? My twin brother also in the military told me that Cowboys fans will take over Canton. Boy he just don't know the power of BURGUNDY&GOLD.
HTTR!..

Posted by: Warpath85nIRAQ | May 14, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey Burgundy&Gold Family!...Made it through one very long year in Iraq. I'm lucky!..Very..Very Lucky! With that being said, I rather have Westbrook than Parker on the team. This guys knows the inside and outside of every NFL Stadium, especially players and their tendercies within the division. Now you know that McNabb and West have been REDSKINS KILLERS for year. Although late in their careers, how about they turn the tables on the folks in Philly? T.O ALERT!..DeJean Jacksom will become the next T.O. in the league. Young man needs to keep his mouth shut. Watch for him and KORN on the Kolb going at each other on the sideline. He's going to have to swallow his pride when he see DM connecting with young and old receivers for TD's.

In closing, I want to know just how many people plan to go to CANTON to see RUSS GRIMM get inducted? My twin brother also in the military told me that Cowboys fans will take over Canton. Boy he just don't know the power of BURGUNDY&GOLD.
HTTR!..

Posted by: Warpath85nIRAQ | May 14, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

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