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Carlos Rogers says he wants 'a new start' elsewhere

Disgruntled cornerback Carlos Rogers said he has animosity toward the Redskins for many things. High on Rogers's list is how his benching last season was handled.

Philadelphia wide receiver DeSean Jackson beat Rogers on a double-move for a 57-yard touchdown in Washington's Week 7 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. And then in a Week 10 victory over the Denver Broncos, Rogers struggled again against a double-move. On the Broncos' first possession, wide receiver Brandon Marshall burned Rogers with a double-move for a 40-yard score.

Redskins coaches instantly benched Rogers for the remainder of the game in favor of fellow veteran corner Fred Smoot. Smoot started the following week in a loss to the Dallas Cowboys, but Rogers regained his position with the first-team and started every game last season except against the Cowboys.

In speaking with a reporter about his situation at the time, Rogers essentially said he had been treated fairly and would hold no grudges. In a phone interview Wednesday night, however, Rogers said he was being less than truthful at the time about his feelings.

"We played 90 percent man [coverage] this season. We were out there in man most of the time," Rogers said. "Okay, so I got beat on some double-moves. I mean, I get beat on some double-moves, when most of the time we're in man, and then I'm benched? What?"

To Rogers's disappointment, the Redskins on Wednesday gave him a first-round tender. The restricted free agent had hoped the Redskins would not offer him a contract, which would have prevented them from blocking his departure.

Rogers said former secondary coach Jerry Gray remained supportive of him when others coaches were not. In fact, Rogers was especially upset about how former head coach Jim Zorn treated him after the benching.

"I got all y'all [reporters] looking at me after he [Zorn] says, 'Am I even gonna dress him?' " Rogers recalled. "He said, 'I'll see how he acts in practice to see if I'm gonnna dress him.' That right there was some of the worst ... I mean, who does that?

"You get benched, and then next week you come back and say you have to see if you're even gonna dress your starter? Not even saying, 'Let's see how he practices and let him work his way in.' Watch me and practice and see if I'm gonna dress?"

Nothing against the new regime, but Rogers said he would prefer to play elsewhere.

"That's why I'm saying, there's just so much stuff that they done done that I just ... you think about you want a new start," Rogers said. "It's not even Coach [Mike] Shanahan's fault. It's not the fault of any of these new coaches. It's just previous things. It's a lot of things."

By Jason Reid  |  March 4, 2010; 11:00 AM ET
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Put him in the same box with Campbell and ship them out.

Posted by: hock1 | March 4, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Byebye.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I say let him go! Wasn't worth the draft pick when we drafted him!

Posted by: chaos47 | March 4, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I disagree here. He needs to stay, when motivated, he CAN play at a high level covering recievers. If he departs its just another hole we have to fill. He sucks at getting turnovers, and did bite onteh double move TWICE last year, however so did Laron, so lets let our coaches smooth this over and calm him down a bit. See if and how hard he will paly then go from there. Brandon Marshall acted up in pre-season then had a great year....so to can Carlos

Posted by: skinball77 | March 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What a whiner. I thought cornerbacks were supposed to have short memories.

Hey Carlos, ain't nothing you can do about that, buddy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Los could be awesome if he'd hold onto those INTs.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Put him in the same box with Campbell and ship them out.

Posted by: hock1 | March 4, 2010 11:12 AM
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You could call it the Auburn Two for One special...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I doubt it. They have plenty of choice. Jeff Garcia for a year would be much better than reaching for Clausen or giving away multiple draft picks to get a somewhat better than average prospect in Bradford. Draft a QB next year. Even if we go 8-8 we'll still have a shot at probably 2 QBs in the first round next year. If we go 8-8 we'll probably be at the right spot to grab Pat Devlin or Christian Ponder. If we suck and end up in the top 10 then we will have a shot at Locker or Mallett. If we're really good next year then obviously we didn't need a QB as bad as we thoguht. Don't reach for a QB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

How do you have any idea whether Clausen is going to be good or not or a reach or not. Your pretending your opinion of him is gospel truth, it gets old.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is the worst! How can you ask for a big contract when you didn't even play up to your rookie contract? All the great cornerbacks in the NFL practice their craft and perfect it, but Rogers doesn't in my opinion... And if he would stay out of the clubs every night then maybe he'll have energy to play well!

Posted by: hightek82 | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Here's the rundown on the ESPN First Take Rough Draft segment on the Skins:

-Biggest asset: spending
-Biggest weakness: rushing
-Best draft pick in the last 5 years: Brian Orakpo
-Worst draft pick in the last 5 years: Carlos Rogers
-Who do you take at #4?

Jon Ritchie and LaRoi Glover (who is AWFUL on TV) both say Russell Okung

-Redskins 2010 record:

Jon 8-8
LaRoi 7-9

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Carlos, that's the way to improve your trade value... Come across as a disguntled, me-first idiot who don't care when he gets beat... and then blames the coaching staff for trying to hold him accountable for his (lack of) play.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 4, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

These players are lucky to have a job. I dont see how rodgers or Rocky mac really think they would get a lot of offers on the FA market.

with zero assurance that there will be a season next year, they would get vet min contracts.

I would be absolutley shocked if anyone tries to sign them from our tender. That will be the proof they need that they have not lived up to their billing as picks (rodgers was a TOP 10 PICK!!)

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if he could cover, those people that did "stuff that they done done" wouldn't have done done that stuff.

Posted by: rucks35 | March 4, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Boats n' Hoes...

He needs a trip to the SJKing Catalina Wine Mixer. BAH!

You've SEEN him eat a man's SJK?!?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

the guy is an NFL corner and you saw these things coming last year. rogers ahs wanted out for some time and who could blame him. i could see London fletcher wanting out of this team. he's too professional to say it, but even he had some comments last year that were eye opening when he essentially said they have not been a good team since he got here.

moreso than looking at this as Rogers btching, look at it as the chaos of the Redskin organization.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

the guy is an NFL corner and you saw these things coming last year. rogers ahs wanted out for some time and who could blame him. i could see London fletcher wanting out of this team. he's too professional to say it, but even he had some comments last year that were eye opening when he essentially said they have not been a good team since he got here.

moreso than looking at this as Rogers btching, look at it as the chaos of the Redskin organization.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"We played 90 percent man [coverage] this season. We were out there in man most of the time," Rogers said. "Okay, so I got beat on some double-moves. I mean, I get beat on some double-moves, when most of the time we're in man, and then I'm benched? What?"

Not sure if it's just me, but what the hell does this even mean? Most of his excerpts make no sense at all. Just a bunch of scrambled words.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I doubt it. They have plenty of choice. Jeff Garcia for a year would be much better than reaching for Clausen or giving away multiple draft picks to get a somewhat better than average prospect in Bradford. Draft a QB next year. Even if we go 8-8 we'll still have a shot at probably 2 QBs in the first round next year. If we go 8-8 we'll probably be at the right spot to grab Pat Devlin or Christian Ponder. If we suck and end up in the top 10 then we will have a shot at Locker or Mallett. If we're really good next year then obviously we didn't need a QB as bad as we thoguht. Don't reach for a QB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 11:05 AM |

The same 40 year old Jeff Garcia who couldn't even make it as a backup to the worst QB (Russell) in the league last year?

Good idea.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I say give Carlos his fresh start...we could put a jugs machine out there to drop picks and get juked out of its shoes on double moves. And it'll do it for a fraction of the cost.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's the rundown on the ESPN First Take Rough Draft segment on the Skins:

-Biggest asset: spending
-Biggest weakness: rushing

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2010 11:19 AM

Biggest weakness: rushing
Biggest weakness: rushing
Biggest weakness: rushing
Biggest weakness: rushing
Biggest weakness: rushing

...can't be emphasized enough. And that's not Campbell's fault.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"That's why I'm saying, there's just so much stuff that they done done that I just ... you think about you want a new start," Rogers said. "It's not even Coach [Mike] Shanahan's fault. It's not the fault of any of these new coaches. It's just previous things. It's a lot of things."

By Jason Reid | March 4, 2010; 11:00 AM ET

Sounds like what he needs is a new start in a different sport. Michael Westbrook is making it in mixed martial arts, but I can't see Carlos going that route. Carlos just needs a sport where bitterness, double moves, and illiteracy work to his advantage. He should follow Heath Shuler into politics.

Posted by: League-Source | March 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins did these guys a favor with 1st and 2nd rd. tenders. These guys played for a 4-12 team and I think their egos would be bruised when the phone didn't ring if/when they became unrestricted FA's. Rogers could have had a 3rd tender and I bet no one gives him a look...

Posted by: Club320 | March 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Rogers sucks. Bye.

Posted by: TeeSkins | March 4, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

We're talking about practice....

Posted by: shyde13 | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Carlos... I think you were benched because of all the missed interceptions and NOT because you were beat on a couple of double moves in man coverage, especially if you are in man coverage 90% of the time... the coaches all know very well that if you play man in single coverage you will get beat at times... so you need to revise your perspective about why your coaches had some issues with you

Posted by: iseyij | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

ding-dong, double move, touchdown! whaat?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow! We are really seeing the true grit of some of these players who have been coddled for sooooooo long under the old regime. They've won NOTHING and yet they still whine like they're owed something. Did Carlos forget he contributed mightily to a 4-12 season.

I wish someone, ANYONE would ask 'Los one question and one question only..."Carlos, do you feel like you have lived up to the first round pick the Skins invested in youin 2005"? I would love to hear his answer

Posted by: Predator48 | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

CR22 needs to quit whining and remember that he did not play well last year. His performance did not warrant a long term contract.

If he's upset that management got him on 'the cheap' then maybe he should do something about it. I don't know...work harder and play like an all pro.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 4, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

how about just like a pro?

this guy is clueless, making a fool of himself and costing himself millions in the process. if a GM calls and offers a 3rd or 4th rounder for him, I'd take it before the offer was out of his mouth. better hope D-Hall shows up this year and Smoot has a little gas left in the tank.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"ryp, did I get another, or does that only count for 1/2."

Hook, line and sinker, btg

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Carlos Rogers is the worst! How can you ask for a big contract when you didn't even play up to your rookie contract? ...

Posted by: hightek82 | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse "

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Actually, I think he's asking for no contract. I wonder if he'd be surprised by the collective yawn around the NFL if he got his wish.

Posted by: closer44 | March 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

oknow1;

maybe, but in this uncertain time, where these players have to know that with a cap and FA they would be stealing money b/c teams need serviceable players, this is the other shoe when they cant force the market.

He can B2tch about how he was treated, but the skins are not gonna let a #9 pick go without some compensation. So they give him one year under a new coach to prove he is worth it.

Back in the 80's w/o this FA business, it was a privilege to play and get a contract. Now it is completely opposite.

He wants money without proving he is worth it, which is what most players, who dont work as hard as they can, try to slip by on.

Fletch has earned every once and knows how to handle it. Los doesnt.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

This can't be serious....can it?? I mean Reid is messing with us with this post, because I mean, NO ONE...NO ONE, can be this stupid....

Again, I'd LOVE if the Redskins just absolutely RIPPED him for saying this, came out and said how for 4 1/2 years CR has been a HUGE disappointment, and they expected more from the 9th overall pick in the draft....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The same 40 year old Jeff Garcia who couldn't even make it as a backup to the worst QB (Russell) in the league last year?

Good idea.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think Al Davis decision, not an actual coaching decision.

Lane Kiffin didn't want to start JaMarcus, neither did Tom Cable.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I, too, would prefer it if he played elsewhere.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why he even bothers biting on double moves? What does "Brick Hands" think will happen if he ever does manage to jump a route?

Posted by: closer44 | March 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Good! BE GONE.

Posted by: wattsicon | March 4, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If we can't trade him the Redskins have to pay him for next year...Time to let him watch the games from the sidelines, or better yet, on TV. I believe Coles' TV is still at Redskins Park.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 4, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Okay, let's not throw Rocky into the same boat as Rogers. MacIntosh played really well last season.

He was asked to do alot of things in coverage to cover-up for Orakpo and he was constantly taking on lead blockers in the hole so Fletcher could step in and make the tackle.

Rocky does a lot of the details that fans don't notice, but football guys see on tape. And he is just frustrated because the same knee concerns that dropped him out of the 1st round continue to haunt him despite the fact that he finds the way to get back on the field and perform.

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 4, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

say let him go! Wasn't worth the draft pick when we drafted him!

Posted by: chaos47 | March 4, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

AGREED!

Posted by: wattsicon | March 4, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Rogers will be traded elsewhere. Shanahan is known for being a stickler for commitment to the team, and whenever he has players who don't want to be there (like Portis during his Denver days) he ships them off.

It's a shame Rogers is so mentally weak. Corners with his size, physicality, and athletic ability don't come along very often.

Posted by: psps23 | March 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

all this talk about getting Julius Peppers...I think it's a smoke screen. The FA we really are/should be targetting- Carlos Dansby and Dunta Robinson

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:18 AM

He didnt say Clausen wouldnt be good, he said they shouldnt reach for him at 4. Nothing Clausen has done warrants wasting a high first round pick on him. Just because he may be one of the best qbs in a relatively mediocre qb class doesnt make him good. It certainly doesnt make him worthy of a top 5 pick.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Should add Ladell Betts to the list.

I think they give him a chance to rehab, so he may not get cut immediately.

But I don't think he has a roster spot next year.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse
Agreed, PPS8. We have to let him go through rehab. If he is unable to make it through medically, I guess we give him a medical severance. But I don't think we do anything with LB until he passes a physical.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Uncapped year: great opportunity to get rid of dead weight.

I know the off season don't mean diddly, but I'm happy with the way the new regime is handling things so far. A lot of players attitudes are showing why this team was 4-12 last year.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I wish someone, ANYONE would ask 'Los one question and one question only..."Carlos, do you feel like you have lived up to the first round pick the Skins invested in youin 2005"? I would love to hear his answer

Posted by: Predator48 | March 4, 2010 11:25 AM |

The problem with asking CR is he does feel he lived up to his contract. Guy is delusional. Not his fault.

When Jon Ritchie was asked who was the worst Redskins pick in the last five years, CR was his pick. And his reasoning was spot on. Just like most on here.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Add Carlos Rogers, Ladell Betts and Clinton Portis to that list and I would be happy, i would even consider adding big mouth D'Angelo Hall and Santana Moss and trade Cooley.

There are some corners and Wide Receivers in Free Agency that we can sign. Lets get some fresh blood on this team.

Posted by: BarackObama | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

all this talk about getting Julius Peppers...I think it's a smoke screen. The FA we really are/should be targetting- Carlos Dansby and Dunta Robinson

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 4, 2010 11:33 AM |

Dansby - yes. Dunta - no.. hes just as big, if not bigger primadonna than Carlos.. had ZERO Ints last year.. turned down $10M, sat out offseason, wrote "pay me" on his shoes.... we don't need him here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Bears are going to go after Peppers hard, they have already talked to his agent. Ofcourse that is tampering but since everyone does it who cares.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

the more I read this the funnier it gets....someone get loser a tape of his coverage skills....to see what abject failure looks like...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Goodbye, Stone Hands.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 4, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's a shame Rogers is so mentally weak. Corners with his size, physicality, and athletic ability don't come along very often.

Posted by: psps23 | March 4, 2010 11:33 AM

He doesn't come along often and when he does come along, he can't catch the ball. Otherwise, he's an asset to any team.

His agent needs to speak to him.

Posted by: League-Source | March 4, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

And your the third paragraph is a complete mystery to me. Do you mean nepotism? Even if you do, your point about our current coach hiring his (qualified) son has nothing to do with Zorn being forced on the staff in Seattle.

I can just imagine your outrage if the "media" printed crap like that.

And btw, I never liked Zorn.


Posted by: mack1 | March 4, 2010 11:10 AM

Dude - English was my worst subject. You knew what I meant...Just keep it classy.

And it does make a big deal. Because people who are better or just as good as people like Zorn or Shanny's son don't get the same opportunities......

HOw you gonna fault me by just pointing something out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What a whinybaby. Sure Carlos, most corners get beat from time to time. You, however, get BURNED so glaringly that it is obvious you have a weakness that other teams can exploit. Not to mention that you even admit that you can’t catch. Cripes…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 4, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia was signed & then cut by the Eagles once Vick's suspension was over in September of last year. I don't think anyone signed him after that. I think some are picturing the Jeff Garcia of a few years ago and not the one who actually will show up.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Dude, if you would only just catch the ball every once in a while, we would not be having this discussion.

Posted by: daddy00 | March 4, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

'Rogers said former secondary coach Jerry Gray remained supportive of him when others coaches were not.'

One more reason for me to dislike Jerry Gray.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Pretty simple Double Move. Go out and find that team that thinks you're worth a 1st rounder and you'll be gone. Good luck..

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | March 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Are any of these qoutes new? Or just a rehash of old disgruntled statements made after the heat of the battle?

No News is No News....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance!!!!!!!!!! Seriously homey, my grandma can catch better than you. Over the course of last two seasons I have personally seen you drop 10 sure picks.

Peace out fool, you won't be missed.

Posted by: coooleeey | March 4, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Carlos needs to fire his agent or whoever he gets advice from.

Complaining about your team/organization doesn't usually work out for average players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hellooooo Kevin Barnes!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure there will be a whole butt load of teams lining up to give top dollar to a cornerback whose nickname is 'double-move'.

Wise up 'Los, watch some tape of last season and be thankful you are getting paid at all.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

'Rogers said former secondary coach Jerry Gray remained supportive of him when others coaches were not.'

One more reason for me to dislike Jerry Gray.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:40 AM

But, this is a clue. Seattle = trade partner.

Posted by: League-Source | March 4, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Free RYAN CLARK. REDSKINS top FA pickup in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 4, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

'Rogers said former secondary coach Jerry Gray remained supportive of him when others coaches were not.'
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Does this make Gray an athletic supporter?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How do you have any idea whether Clausen is going to be good or not or a reach or not. Your pretending your opinion of him is gospel truth, it gets old.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if he's going to be good and that's exactly my point. You don't take a QB #4 overall in the draft and commit 70 million over 6 years to him if you have doubts. Clausen certainly has doubts about him. It's called the difference between and elite prospect and a good prospect. Clausen is a good prospect but he's not elite. He doesn't have elite size or elite arm strength. If we had a shot at Matt Stafford then I'd say draft him at #4. If we had a shot at Ryan Mallet I'd say draft him at #4. I know you don't like what I have to say but I'm going to go ahead and keep pissing in your Cheerios anyway because I don't like your plan. I think your plan is too short term and will leave us backing into the playoffs at 8-8 again and then back to being crappy in a few years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

B**ch, shut it.
I have been in Rogers camp for a while but when a guy knows he is on the bubble he can do 1 of 2 things. Act like a man and accept his lot, be a team player and hope that he ends up in a situation where he is happy. Or he can act like a B**** and when you act like a B*** you end up unhappy no matter what team your on.

You act like a man and be respectful, knowlagable and understanding of the company odds are they will treat you with some respect in the end.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray will welcome Rogers when he finally departs the skins.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

the indignation that he shows is what is most maddening to me...he STILL cannot cover the double move, however his righteous indignation at being asked to improve and show it at practice....its BAFFLING....

once his agent reads this, there will be some type of retraction...they can't let this out there marinating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The more you talk LOS the less likely you are to go anywhere in a trade. Remember NICK COLLINS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray remained "supportive" of him because he had to deal with him on a daily basis (practice, positional meetings, etc.) Jerry blowed smoke up his behind to keep him from complaining. Seattle won't want him.

Posted by: chaos47 | March 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

SpotzWiz;

If you dont know we are all football guys 'up here'

And to your point, If Mac had layed low, and not said anyhting, my opinion of him would be different.

But he spouted off, saying he is not a punk. Well then he must be stupid. Cause no other team is gonna sign or trade a 2nd for him, a 2nd rounder with bad knees.

Our team is shrewd in at least trying to set up the possibility of getting a second for him.

but on a 4-12 team, where no one knows what happens next year, the smart guy (campbell) says he does not like it but understands. The dumb one blasts the team because he does not understand.

I am in fact a rocky fan (make that was), but we are switching D's and while he has been a good to mediocre WILL, and better in coverage than Rak or fletch, he is not a game breaker and not one team in the league this year will be giving a long term deal to anyone who is not a supposed game changer.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

0 ints last year. If they can get a 3rd rounder for him, I would be very pleased. Tryon is every bit as good and I'm sure Kevin Barnes can get burned and drop picks for much less $$.

Posted by: zyvo23 | March 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

He didnt say Clausen wouldnt be good, he said they shouldnt reach for him at 4. Nothing Clausen has done warrants wasting a high first round pick on him. Just because he may be one of the best qbs in a relatively mediocre qb class doesnt make him good. It certainly doesnt make him worthy of a top 5 pick.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen 2009

3,722 yards passing, a 68.8% completion rate, 161.42 passer rating, 28 touchdowns, and four interceptions.

Matt Ryan

4,500 yards, 59.3% completion rate, 127.00 passer rating, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions.654 425

and Ryan played on a team with a very good defense, was sacked less than Clausen, they had comparable mediocre rushing attacks with Notre Dame having 1539 rushing yards last season compared to 1416 in Ryan's senior year at BC who arguably played in a weaker conference as the ACC was terrible in 2007. Oh yeah, and Ryan at BC threw the ball 654 his senior year while Clausen threw only 425 passes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

He didnt say Clausen wouldnt be good, he said they shouldnt reach for him at 4. Nothing Clausen has done warrants wasting a high first round pick on him. Just because he may be one of the best qbs in a relatively mediocre qb class doesnt make him good. It certainly doesnt make him worthy of a top 5 pick.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen 2009

3,722 yards passing, a 68.8% completion rate, 161.42 passer rating, 28 touchdowns, and four interceptions.

Matt Ryan

4,500 yards, 59.3% completion rate, 127.00 passer rating, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions.

and Ryan played on a team with a very good defense, was sacked less than Clausen, they had comparable mediocre rushing attacks with Notre Dame having 1539 rushing yards last season compared to 1416 in Ryan's senior year at BC who arguably played in a weaker conference as the ACC was terrible in 2007. Oh yeah, and Ryan at BC threw the ball 654 his senior year while Clausen threw only 425 passes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia was signed & then cut by the Eagles once Vick's suspension was over in September of last year. I don't think anyone signed him after that. I think some are picturing the Jeff Garcia of a few years ago and not the one who actually will show up.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm seeing a guy that can take a couple hits and keep the seat warm for a year or two. I really don't think we're going to be good at all next year. I also don't see how overpaying for Jimmy Clausen and having him get his butt kicked next year is a better approach.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if he's going to be good and that's exactly my point. You don't take a QB #4 overall in the draft and commit 70 million over 6 years to him if you have doubts.
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That could be said for every QB ever drafted.

It's always a gamble. For every Drew Bledsoe there is a Rick Mirer; for every Peyton Manning, a Ryan Leaf.

You still have to draft.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 4, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Disagree ... disagree ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2010 10:29 AM

What would be acceptable to you?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 10:37 AM

Maybe second round pick in THIS year's draft plus a developmental nose tackle or Hank Fraley. Third round pick for Jason Campbell ... the guy who is otherwise the TOP free agent is way too low (this stuff about Matt Moore is BS), esp. b/c there is no one ready to start Week One ...

http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2010QB.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is a borderline starter as the second best CB. But hey, you expect your CBs to be cocky. Hopefully, he can turn his frustration into a chip on his shoulder and prove how good he is. Landry was a much bigger problem and needs to move back to SS.

As for you Campbell haters - well I just think you're football ignorant. The OL was one of the worst in the history of football and he stood tall and put up good numbers with the very limited offense the three-step drop allows. I'm not saying he's a great QB yet but, man, the guy hasn't really had a chance to show what he can do. He needs a couple years in the same system with decent pass protection. How do you think Brady would have done last year with our OL?

Posted by: photoassign | March 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

F Rogers. I'd take a 5th rounder for him at this point. Maybe we could get lucky on an o-line pick there. 2005 skins - worst. draft. ever.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Bye, Bye!!!!!

Posted by: kmfuss | March 4, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"'m sure there will be a whole butt load of teams lining up to give top dollar to a cornerback whose nickname is 'double-move'.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse "

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I thought he was Carlos "Brick Hands" Rogers. How many nicknames can a guy have?

Posted by: closer44 | March 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If they cut Smoot and deal Rogers, all of a sudden, corner becomes a position of need unless Tryon is the second coming of Darrell Green or Kevin Barnes turns out to be awesome. Even if both of those come true, then the previously-met-now-unmet need becomes nickel corner.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

That could be said for every QB ever drafted.

It's always a gamble. For every Drew Bledsoe there is a Rick Mirer; for every Peyton Manning, a Ryan Leaf.

You still have to draft.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 4, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, there has never been a sure thing at QB in the draft you just don't know but sitting on your hands because of that is silly. And his opinion that Mallet or Ponder will be any better than Clausen is kind of ridiculous and against his entire "we don't know point." What have Ponder or Mallet done to prove they are any better?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I hope Rogers can get traded somewhere in the NFC East. It would be fun to watch us torch him twice a year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm a vet on RI here (although less active than I used to be, I still read everything), so you old-timers know that I don't like to play GM too much.

That said... why aren't we trying to work out a trade with Seattle or the 49ers for one of their first round picks so we can get an extra 1st round draft choice? I mean, couldn't we shop a combo of Campbell, Rogers, Landry, and/or Cooley with our next year's first round choice and this year's 2nd for their 1st rounders (or a bit less for just one of them?) It seems to me like everyone could win in that situation-- get Okung at #4 and pick up Clausen at #13, 14 or 17?

Thoughts?

Also, if there was a way to do some trades with New England to get 2 of their 3 2nd rounders... man, that'd be sweet. But before someone gets smartarsed on me, I know I'm talking aloud like a n00b.

Lovvvvveeeee youuuu

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 4, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is a borderline starter as the second best CB. But hey, you expect your CBs to be cocky. Hopefully, he can turn his frustration into a chip on his shoulder and prove how good he is.

Posted by: photoassign | March 4, 2010 11:51 AM

Rogers had a chance to turn the frustration of being benched into a chip on his shoulder and proved he not capable. Dude needs to open his eyes and realize that he has no room to talk based on his past performance.

He should just be thankful he is getting the paycheck he is and STFU!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe Cooley and Rogers for Denver's 3rd and Brandon Marshall?

If we get Dansby, Rocky could be on the block too...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Biggs: Redskins a possible suitor for Rolle
Paired with Landry would strengthen secondary

March 04, 2010, 10:50 AM EST
Nobody is going to get a shot at Antrel Rolle until the Arizona Cardinals officially pull the plug on him or sign him to a longterm extension.

Rolle is due a $4 million roster bonus on Tuesday and has a base salary of $8.1 million for this season. One source said he doesn’t want to return to the Cardinals, and has already turned down an offer from the club that averages a little more than $6 million annually.

The Chicago Bears are expected to be interested when Rolle reaches the open market, and a source said that the Washington Redskins could very much be in play for Rolle. He said he doesn’t believe the team is necessarily cued up to make a run at Julius Peppers.

“They’re going to be mentioned with the biggest free agent every year,” the source said. “And the owner can’t do that every year.”

But the source said that Rolle, even if the Redskins overpay for him, makes sense. He’d give new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett some athleticism and allow the Redskins to keep LaRon Landry at strong safety, where he is best suited.

Of course, nothing can happen until Rolle is cut loose. Stay tuned

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Biggs-Redskins-a-possible-suitor-for-Rolle.html

Posted by: t1205 | March 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is a borderline starter as the second best CB. But hey, you expect your CBs to be cocky. Hopefully, he can turn his frustration into a chip on his shoulder and prove how good he is.

Posted by: photoassign | March 4, 2010 11:51 AM

Rogers had a chance to turn the frustration of being benched into a chip on his shoulder and proved he not capable. Dude needs to open his eyes and realize that he has no room to talk based on his past performance.

He should just be thankful he is getting the paycheck he is and STFU!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

He didnt say Clausen wouldnt be good, he said they shouldnt reach for him at 4. Nothing Clausen has done warrants wasting a high first round pick on him. Just because he may be one of the best qbs in a relatively mediocre qb class doesnt make him good. It certainly doesnt make him worthy of a top 5 pick.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen 2009

3,722 yards passing, a 68.8% completion rate, 161.42 passer rating, 28 touchdowns, and four interceptions.

Matt Ryan

4,500 yards, 59.3% completion rate, 127.00 passer rating, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions.

and Ryan played on a team with a very good defense, was sacked less than Clausen, they had comparable mediocre rushing attacks with Notre Dame having 1539 rushing yards last season compared to 1416 in Ryan's senior year at BC who arguably played in a weaker conference as the ACC was terrible in 2007. Oh yeah, and Ryan at BC threw the ball 654 his senior year while Clausen threw only 425 passes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:48 AM
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I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame football but their won-loss record tells me that at least some of Clausen's stats came in garbage time. So, you have a quarterback with decent stats that can't win football games. That sounds like the QB already on Washington's roster. How's that working out for you? I wouldn't waste a fourth round pick on Clausen. A lot of analysts say he is the most "NFL ready" of all of the quarterbacks coming out, but I read this as "very little upside", what you see is all you're ever going to get and that is not enough. Just say no to Clausen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I hope Rogers can get traded somewhere in the NFC East. It would be fun to watch us torch him twice a year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Lol, I agree, but what NFC East team that for the past five seasons have burnt him twice a year and watched him drop INTs is going to give anything for him?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

My favorite disparaging Redskins nickname: Rod "50-50" Gardner. One of the better things Bruce Smith gave us in his time here.

Posted by: closer44 | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like CR22 is still smarting from that second-round tender. Dude wants to get paid.

I have an idea -- why don't we tape $1,000 bills to a football and throw them at you? You keep whatever you catch, m-fer. How's that for getting paid?

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I hope Rogers can get traded somewhere in the NFC East. It would be fun to watch us torch him twice a year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:54 AM

He prolly wants to play for Philly so he won't have to cover D Jackson in the national spotlight any more.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey Carlos, as a fan I am disgruntled with 4-12. I am also disgruntled with your hands of stone. I am disgruntled that you were a high 1st round pick. You need to get friends who tell you the truth. Clearly, you are surrounded by "yes men."

You and Cancer Clinton can hit the road.

Posted by: jackstraaw | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post...nothing I could do about it...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

the best case scenario for Carlos would be to go to a team that doesn't have an elite corner.

When Carlos thinks he's the man, he plays like a shut down corner. But if someone else steals his thunder, he goes into Jan Brady mode and plays like a punk.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is a joke, the only thing good about that pick was us not getting Pacman. Ship him away!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Players have a right to complain. The way this off year is unfair to four and five year vets gives players a right to complain. Carlos and Rocky are losing millions because of this being a different year.

Without the tender Carlos could probably command a 7M per year contract like Foxworth got from the Ravens.

And I can't believe the bloggers who complain because he got beat twice for TDs last year. It's you bloggers who should shut it, not the players.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Your pretending your opinion of him is gospel truth, it gets old.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:16 AM
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Mister Pot, meet Mister Kettle.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Tdawg;

Doubt there will be a lot of trading next years for this years since there might not be a next year...

And to everyone else, No to trading Cooley. Despite Davis' play, Cooley has a big contract and you can always have two TE's and in Shanny's system, TE's are important.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Ryp- stand corrected on Robinson...maybe. Corners and WRs usually are primadonnas. I'd rather address it in the draft...and maybe Tryon's development continues. But we'll be thin if/when we get rid of Manos de Piedro/Boca Grande

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 4, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link 4th.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

You could fix every other one of the 52 roster spots and still couldn't hide the fact that JC17 is a loser.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 4, 2010 11:05 AM

Vinny, is that you? Somehow, JC17 has fooled HOF coach Joe Gibbs, QB specialist Jim Zorn, and SB coach Shanahan into believing he's worthy of being a starting NFL QB... but blog poster Vic1 knows better.

Teams win and lose in football, not individuals.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2010 11:14 AM
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JC started for the last 4 years because the Skins spent a complete Draft on acquiring him. If he sat on the bench last year.. what kind of trade value would he have this year?
JC17 didnt fool anyone.. All the coaches quickly learned he was not a legit 1st round pick.. And all the GMs in the league concurred when Snyder tried to trade him a year ago to get Sanchez. They wouldnt give up even a 2nd round pick for him. And no one offered a 3rd.

Gibbs had JC for 2005, 2006 and 2007. Gibbs always went overboard in his praise of Collins' practice habits and pregame preparation. But, he was "no comment" on JC all the way up until he left Redskins Park one last time after his retirement press conf.
And he most likely retired quickly because he knew his legacy was on the line.. and he had convinced Snyder into trading valuable high picks in the 2006 draft for a 1st Round Draft mistake. JC17 was 0-4 W-L in the last 4 games he played for Gibbs, before he was injured and Collins stepped in. And that 2007 OLine was a very decent Line before injuries caught up at the playoffs..
Gibbs knew he was lucky that Collins got them to the playoffs thus bailing out the Gibbs 2.0 legacy.

Saunders, same thing.. He had JC for two years.. And he realized JC couldnt handle the playbook THE SECOND YEAR.... so they reduced it drastically.

Finally, Zorn. Zorn was the same "no comment" about JC on his way out. In fact, Zorn took a few stabs at JC when JC called out the OLine, saying it was "unfair". Not one positive thing about JC from Zorn, his Head Coach and one of the most highly respected QB Coaches in the League.

The silence about... and the non-endorsements of JC17, from those who coached him, has been revealing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 4, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Whaaaaa...quit you're crying Carlos. Put up or shut up. Honestly Carlos, you weren't that productive.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 4, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm a vet on RI here (although less active than I used to be, I still read everything), so you old-timers know that I don't like to play GM too much.

That said... why aren't we trying to work out a trade with Seattle or the 49ers for one of their first round picks so we can get an extra 1st round draft choice? I mean, couldn't we shop a combo of Campbell, Rogers, Landry, and/or Cooley with our next year's first round choice and this year's 2nd for their 1st rounders (or a bit less for just one of them?) It seems to me like everyone could win in that situation-- get Okung at #4 and pick up Clausen at #13, 14 or 17?

Thoughts?

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 4, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Tdawg;

Doubt there will be a lot of trading next years for this years since there might not be a next year...

And to everyone else, No to trading Cooley. Despite Davis' play, Cooley has a big contract and you can always have two TE's and in Shanny's system, TE's are important.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, I want to keep Cooley too-- we can't have enough playmakers, especially since we don't have a true #1 WR (*dodges fists*). I'm hoping that they pull off some savvy trades... ah, if only Cerrato had landed on his feet on another team, we could be fleecing someone for a 2nd and 4th round pick for Reed Doughty somewhere...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 4, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, there has never been a sure thing at QB in the draft you just don't know but sitting on your hands because of that is silly. And his opinion that Mallet or Ponder will be any better than Clausen is kind of ridiculous and against his entire "we don't know point." What have Ponder or Mallet done to prove they are any better?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse


Mallet is bigger and has a stronger arm. He also plays against better opponents. Clausen racks up huge numbers against crappy teams like Washington, Washington State, Stanford, Connecticut, Navy, Nevada, Michigan, and Michigan State. Mallet puts up big games against sec defenses. Clausen fans are in for a big let down. Clausen is Brady Quinn part 2. Until ND starts playing real teams again people are going to be dumb enough to keep drafting their crappy QBs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Dansby - yes. Dunta - no.. hes just as big, if not bigger primadonna than Carlos.. had ZERO Ints last year.. turned down $10M, sat out offseason, wrote "pay me" on his shoes.... we don't need him here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse
I agree about Robinson, Ryp. I would add that we should be signing either Rex Hadnot or Hank Fraley , OG's from CL.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I hope Rogers can get traded somewhere in the NFC East. It would be fun to watch us torch him twice a year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2010 11:54 AM

... why aren't we trying to work out a trade with Seattle or the 49ers for one of their first round picks so we can get an extra 1st round draft choice?

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 4, 2010 11:55 AM

The ideal scenario is that Jerry Gray (DB coach in Seattle) convinces Pete Carroll that its worth the effort.

These numbers suggest it might be worth something, but not a first round pick ... these numbers suggest that Rogers is our best corner ... and that D. Hall is 4th best (after Smoot and Tryon) ... mostly these numbers suggest that our corners aren't very good.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1


Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Los should take a lesson from D-Green...Green did not have the best hands, the big physique but he took advantage of what he had and excelled and worked on what he was not so good at. And he became a decent tackler at 5'8" 170 lbs and developed decent hands. Teams did not dare throw at Green and he was a lower pick! Excuses are the nails that build the house of failure Carlos, Get to work or there's the door.

Posted by: fullonfully | March 4, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels is the man! Someone has some big shoes to fill, not just as a player, but as a team leader.

Posted by: chaos47 | March 4, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Carlos, I have been one of your biggest supporters on here but this is all I have to say:

4-12

Good luck dude!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 4, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree JC17 is not the answer, but he will most likely have to be this year. He has no intangibles whatsoever to be a good QB. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 4, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

And I can't believe the bloggers who complain because he got beat twice for TDs last year. It's you bloggers who should shut it, not the players.

You're an idiot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen 2009

3,722 yards passing, a 68.8% completion rate, 161.42 passer rating, 28 touchdowns, and four interceptions.

Matt Ryan

4,500 yards, 59.3% completion rate, 127.00 passer rating, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions.

and Ryan played on a team with a very good defense, was sacked less than Clausen, they had comparable mediocre rushing attacks with Notre Dame having 1539 rushing yards last season compared to 1416 in Ryan's senior year at BC who arguably played in a weaker conference as the ACC was terrible in 2007. Oh yeah, and Ryan at BC threw the ball 654 his senior year while Clausen threw only 425 passes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 11:48 AM

You cannot compare Ryan to Clausen.Nobody faced easier competition than Clausen.
Michigan State= 6-7
Michigan= 5-7
Purdue= 5-7
Nevada= 8-5
Washington= 5-7
USC= 9-4
BC= 8-5
UCONN= 8-5
Washington State= 1-11
Pitt= 10-3
Stanford= 8-5
Navy= 10-4

Only had two wins against winning teams. Only bowl ND went to while he was there was Hawaii bowl. BC went to bowls every year while he was there. Matt Ryan had no first round talent skill players. Clausen had three. The one good thing about Clausen is that he played in a pro style offense. He is overrated plain and simple.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"You don't take a QB #4 overall in the draft and commit 70 million over 6 years to him if you have doubts.
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That could be said for every QB ever drafted.

It's always a gamble. For every Drew Bledsoe there is a Rick Mirer; for every Peyton Manning, a Ryan Leaf.

You still have to draft.

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

Correction: that could be said about every top 5 QB ever drafted.

That cannot be said about every QB ever drafted, or even every first round QB ever drafted, because you're not shelling out $70 million for a guy taken in the mid-1st on down.

That's why he said he'd take Clausen if he fell, but not at the #4 overall slot.

Posted by: psps23 | March 4, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Free RYAN CLARK. REDSKINS top FA pickup in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 4, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

No, Clark wants big money. He's probably not worth it.

I think Shanny will have one question for LOS...Do you want to be a part of this team? If CR hesitates, Shanny will trade him for a 4th rd pick in a heartbeat, just to make his point, that this is a team sport.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I also love to throw in the jab that he got outplayed against similar opponents by Darryl Clark.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Elfin still lives! Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't watch a lot of Notre Dame football but their won-loss record tells me that at least some of Clausen's stats came in garbage time. So, you have a quarterback with decent stats that can't win football games. That sounds like the QB already on Washington's roster. How's that working out for you? I wouldn't waste a fourth round pick on Clausen. A lot of analysts say he is the most "NFL ready" of all of the quarterbacks coming out, but I read this as "very little upside", what you see is all you're ever going to get and that is not enough. Just say no to Clausen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Actually no loss last year was by more than 7 points.

And Mich: two 4th quarter TD to comeback to take the lead with 5 minutes left and to lose with 11 seconds.

USC: two 4th quarter TDs and a game knotting drive 16 play 74 yard drive fell short inside USC's 10 yard line.

Navy: scored in the mid 4th to get within 7 had the ball with 1 minute left and was sacked for a safety. Still took them down and scored another TD to pull within 2 didn't recover the onside.

Pitt: Scored 19 points in the 4th.

Uconn: double OT had leads in the 3rd and 4th quarters, matched a TD in the 1st OT, had a FG in the 2nd and D gave up a TD.

Stanford: had an 8 point lead with 10 minutes to go, d gave up a TD + 2 pt conversation, and a game losing TD inside a minute.

Playing on a bad team with no line, no rusher, and no defense and only no garbage time games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Another quake in taiwan... uh, should I get back to going to church now?

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Chris Sameuls wants to get into coaching...

...Asst OLine Coach anyone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Great get rid of him and Campbell.. both from Auburn were one can't catch and one can't throw.. It's only fitting they LEAVE together.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 4, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Another quake in taiwan... uh, should I get back to going to church now?

Posted by: Zeebs | March 4, 2010 12:14 PM

2012 is coming very soon....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

lol, Heyer asking a question of Samuels- How can I become a player like you.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 4, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Mallett?

Dude did you see Liberty Bowl? He sucked. 15-36-0-202 doesn't even begin to describe how bad he was with the game on the line. 7 possesions in the second half, 4 3-and-outs. He threw 1 pass for a 41 yd TD, which was nice. But the other like 20 plays he sucked. If that Hartman kid from ECU makes a chip shot they lose that game.

Mallett definitely made the right decision to stay in school. He needs a lot of work on his decision making.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 4, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sameuls wife is all of it!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2010 12:07 PM |

You might have something there with Mallet. I watched him some last year & he was pretty impressive against some tough defenses.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

He can go... we just get a draft pick if he does... WOOT!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 4, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"2012 is coming very soon...."

Yeah, on video this Tuesday right?? ;)

Hey Carlos, in case you missed it the first time:

4-12

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 4, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Playing on a bad team with no line, no rusher, and no defense and only no garbage time games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 12:14 PM
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BUT he did have arguably the best receiver coming out of college this year. You can play that argument both ways. I am telling you he does not have leadership ability and you will never convince me that he's worth a first round pick. Some team will take him and I think they will ultimately be very sorry for it. I just hope that team is not the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand this article. He was "hoping they would just let him go???" Seriously? Obviously the CBA favors the owners, but until that changes it is what it is. Why would a former top ten draft pick even bother to "hope" his team would "just let him go" for nothing?

Posted by: bigfoot1 | March 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand this article. He was "hoping they would just let him go???" Seriously? Obviously the CBA favors the owners, but until that changes it is what it is. Why would a former top ten draft pick even bother to "hope" his team would "just let him go" for nothing?

Posted by: bigfoot1 | March 4, 2010 12:24 PM
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I think the word you are looking for is "Moron".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Rogers and Portis -- two good examples of why the Redskins have been awful. Bye to both.

Posted by: rbrown1249 | March 4, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

rsh, I mean, how stupid can one person be to make statements like this?

talk about a victim mentality, this cat is a joke.....something to be said for personal accountability....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Screw Carlos Rogers. I'd rather reflect on a guy I was truly proud of as a Redskin and that was Chris Samuels. He gave his best effort, didn't complain through all the dysfunction of the last decade and represented the Burgundy and Gold well. Congratulations on a great career Chris.

Posted by: moseley_brian | March 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ryan and Clausen both played 7 teams in the regular season with winning records and two of Ryan's were UMass and Bowling Green. The only quality opponents were VA Tech and Wake. Clausen you could argue had 3 Pitt, Navy, and USC. I'm not saying he's better than Matt Ryan, I'm just saying numbers wise he compares very favorable and he was on a worse team with a very comparable schedule. Everyone says Jake Locker is the best QB coming out next year and he guided a 5-7 team in the pac-10. Everything I've read on Clausen says his ability to read defenses, toughness, and accuracy are excellent, he played in a pro style offense, and has an above average arm. The only real knocks on him have been questions of maturity/leadership. I don't know if he's going to be great or not, but nobody on here does either and to pretend that as long as we also address our oline that its a bad pick if they take clausen or bradford is silly. I have no idea if either are going to be great, but I do know that if Shanahan thinks Campbell isn't and gets rid of him and drafts one of the two that he has a lot more knowledge, experience, and insight into good QB's (coached Elway, Young, and Montanna) than we do and he's had two losing seasons in the last 14 he's coached, has two super bowls, and will be in the HOF. I'll trust his opinion of the ones on here and support it instead of pretending I know more than him and that my opinion of next years potential QBs is more valid.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else has posted something similar, but my thought is to write a check in whatever amount he wants and glue it to a football thrown at the exact middle of his chest. All he has to do is catch it and he can stay and keep the money. The inevitable result will give him something to think about on his way out of town.

Posted by: Ursus77 | March 4, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Carlos, what can I do to help get you packed and out of town ASAP. Hope your new team is dallas, philly or the giants. MORE TDS for us! Good Riddance....

Posted by: cupcake5 | March 4, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What a fine mess you've gotten us into Ollie.
This crowd is ready for tar and feathers.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 4, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Rogers dropped so many easy interceptions, if he's not happy, then go somewhere else. He never really deserved starting.

Posted by: calisalazar | March 4, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I just want to say I think Carlos Rogers plays about as good as he speaks. What an idiot.He can barely talk. Didn't he go to college? He needs to go and anyone else who wants to be a cancer!

Posted by: stevearenowe | March 4, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

think the Skins did these guys a favor with 1st and 2nd rd. tenders. These guys played for a 4-12 team and I think their egos would be bruised when the phone didn't ring if/when they became unrestricted FA's. Rogers could have had a 3rd tender and I bet no one gives him a look...

Posted by: Club320

I agree. I mean I'm just amazed at the comments from Rogers and McIntosh. Totally delusional.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | March 4, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

somebody call the waaaa-mbulance, you are only being offered over 1 million dollars to play 1 season of football. I really feel for the guy

Posted by: tberg1 | March 4, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Carlos, Its not Zorn, Its not Gibbs, its not the ghost of Lombardi, its YOU!. Its not the scheme, its the fact YOU didn't play well in it. That was YOU that the dropped the pic 6 in Seattle during the playoffs. That YOU who bit on the double move agains Denver, against Carolina, against the Giants, against Philly, and against Tampa Bay. Your upset at yourself, and there's plenty of tape to prove why, look at it. Change the name on the back of your Jersey next season in the UFL to I HATE ME.

Posted by: clark202 | March 4, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Trying catching an interception instead of using the "stone hands" approach and we can talk about getting you back on the field -

Posted by: jcottee1 | March 4, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey butter fingers read this, you were a major contributor stop whining you may get what you are asking for


Washington 4 12

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 4, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Can he pleases top crying. u want cheese with that whine.

Posted by: BlackHammer | March 4, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is the epitome of what's been wrong with this team for the past few seasons. A marginally talented player with a 'me first' mentality who exhibits ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY. Maybe it is time we moved on. I'd love to see him dropping interceptions for the Cowboys.

Posted by: Jake_Skins | March 4, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Poor Carlos, even Eastern Motors isn't playing him anymore.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | March 4, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Redskins threw him a bone..he'd probably drop it. He sucks.

Posted by: mmcghee701 | March 4, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Ugh!!! For the love of free agency! Make him a 3rd round tender so some someone will pick him up and we can get another OL.

Posted by: richs91 | March 4, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is an idiot! The coaching staff you had problems with are gone numbnuts. Its obvious his intelligence level is just good as his stone hands.

Posted by: shoreterp1 | March 4, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Catch a pick once in a while, then I'll care if your here or not...

Posted by: tdskinz | March 4, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I disagree here. He needs to stay, when motivated, he CAN play at a high level covering recievers. If he departs its just another hole we have to fill. He sucks at getting turnovers, and did bite onteh double move TWICE last year, however so did Laron, so lets let our coaches smooth this over and calm him down a bit. See if and how hard he will paly then go from there. Brandon Marshall acted up in pre-season then had a great year....so to can Carlos

Posted by: skinball77
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I couldn't agree more with this assessment.

Posted by: postwell1 | March 4, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

No doubt Rogers will whiff on the handle on his way out the door.

Posted by: mdrockjock | March 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

c ya do us all skins fans a favor and take JC with you and don't let the door hit ya on the way out lol.

Posted by: iboost | March 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ugh!!! For the love of free agency! Make him a 3rd round tender so some someone will pick him up and we can get another OL.

I couldn't agree with you more. Send this worthless boob packing.

Posted by: diamond_jim | March 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Players have a right to complain. The way this off year is unfair to four and five year vets gives players a right to complain. Carlos and Rocky are losing millions because of this being a different year.

Without the tender Carlos could probably command a 7M per year contract like Foxworth got from the Ravens.

And I can't believe the bloggers who complain because he got beat twice for TDs last year. It's you bloggers who should shut it, not the players.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 4, 2010 12:02 PM |

He should complain to his players rep. It's the union that agreed to the clause. So for now, you should shut it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

well golly, only the best of the best players get benched. i don't understand how it happened to him.

from what the world saw last season there's no one better at chasing ball carrying receivers into the end zone that carlos.

Posted by: rev_ollie | March 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Carlos, we'll gladly let you go, but NOT without something in return. Should have learned your lesson once you got into
the NFL.

Posted by: madalao | March 4, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Carlos "Manos de piedra" Rogers. If only he could catch interceptions we'd be willing to forgive the occasional bad cover job.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 4, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What a punk. Grow up.

As a Bama graduate can I make a request? Stop getting players from Auburn! It's not working.

Now that I think on it, maybe we should avoid Dansby too.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Rogers said. "It's not even Coach [Mike] Shanahan's fault. It's not the fault of any of these new coaches. It's just previous things. It's a lot of things."
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Yeah, like "Your Fault" things or "Double Move" things. The Redskins did the right thing by tendering an offer to Rogers for business sake. Rogers is just too "delusional" to understand his own flaws. I am still pissed that the Redskins could have gotten either DeMarcus Ware or Aaron Rodgers with that 9th pick.

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 4, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Carlos if you are reading this, check this out:
http://www.mcstate.com/careers/

Posted by: hock1 | March 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Why do we care that Rogers is disgruntled? Why not run a story on the fans being disgruntled at Rogers for his inability to live up to even the scantest expectations?

Posted by: bezzeb | March 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Wants out at $3mil offer???....Does this stiff have any idea how bad we NEVER want to see the #22 on the field with any player.. again !!!!

a $300k offer to leave town TODAY would be the preferred tender.....

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | March 4, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers wants out - and I want him to catch an interception that hits him right in the hands.

Which one do you think will happen first?

Posted by: JohnnyDust | March 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Peace out Los.
Don't let the double move hit you on the way out !!
You were always a sucka as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: OG_Barno | March 4, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Carlos has to be kidding or he is delusional? He gets burned all the time and he can't make a catch to save his life. He hasn't done anything. He's not a bad corner but he is a ok starter or a very good backup. I think that he is making more with his tender than he would on the open market.

Posted by: liftedexx | March 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Has this dumb a$$ looked at his lack of highlight film? And just where and who does he think will pay him some outrageous dollars to bite on double moves, miss tackles and most importantly drop numerous interceptions, personally a first round tender was too high, I mean he's not worth keeping but at the same time lets get something for the loser I would have given him a 2nd round tender heck having two second round picks is a good deal there's still quality talent in the 2nd which means you could possibly get 2 O-lineman in the second round and maybe then take a QB in the first...the dude has done nothing nada squat...

Posted by: papaskynz | March 4, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bye. You can go drop balls somewhere else. If they todd the pen to you, you may never be able to sign the contract.

Posted by: shrshot | March 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey WP how about you forward these comments to Mr. Rogers neighborhood (email) or something so he can see what we fans think of him, and we'd be more than happy if he left...Please someone sign him i'll take another 1st round pick heck we can negotiate it down to a second...

Posted by: papaskynz | March 4, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

did anyone point out that the double move against philly was on 3rd and 26?! I can play man coverage on that down with a hoagie in one hand. probably still have a better chance at an INT.

Posted by: stromi | March 4, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Carlos, to say you suck at cornerback would be insulting to the word suck.

Hey, I hear the skins hired balloon boy's dad at half your salary to make a cornerback balloon that floats around in the backfield and takes up space. Same performance at half the cost plus psuedo-suck the balloon doesn't whine.

The Lions want cornerbacks bad. Maybe your agent can work a deal. I sure a player of your incredible but as yet undisplayed talent is just what they are dreaming of.

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | March 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Butter, you can leave here on jet powered rollerskates dude...You can't cover and you can't catch. If you think anyone is coveting your services, you must be sippin that syzzurp.

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 4, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Carlos Carlos...now you want out? REEEEEALY?!!!
Please go to a division rival so that we can run double moves for 6 on you all day!

Posted by: refusetogivein | March 4, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Carlos Carlos...now you want out? REEEEEALY?!!!
Please go to a division rival so that we can run double moves for 6 on you all day!

Posted by: refusetogivein | March 4, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It's an opportunity Carlos should grab with both hands.

Then drop.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | March 4, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

carlos ,what makes you think some other team wants you ,you never met a interception you couldnt drop ,your idea of tight coverage is to give recievers 10 free yards to catch ,mind you first downs are also 10 yards . i know that you may not no that and i respect that. we dont want you either idiot

Posted by: tird45 | March 4, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"That's why I'm saying, there's just so much stuff that they done done that I just ... you think about you want a new start," Rogers said.
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He can go into TV.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | March 4, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Rogers knows he is finished and for very simple reasons: he has dropped so many interceptions thrown into his gut over his career in DC. Any interception changes games and his failures were all in tight games.

Covering a receiver is just the basics of CB and he hasn't been great at that this past year. Dropping interception after interception puts him not only on the "be gone" list but maybe he'll be looking at a beginners salary with his next team.

Posted by: walden1 | March 4, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

he sounds like all the fans who want HIM out too..maybe we can find someone to cover somebody for once

Posted by: heathdog1119 | March 4, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yea get rid of Rogers- he just isn't that good at all. But don't put him on the same bus as Campbell. He played hard last year and didn't say a word when things fell apart around him.

I would get rid of Portis and Haynesworth too. Throw in Landry while you're out. Big names- but not good players.

Posted by: SeanA1 | March 4, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

One question: If Carlos Rodgers is covering a receiver that Jason Campbell is throwing to...does the pass get completed?
Yes if the quarterback isn't Jason Campbell. Get rid of both of them. I would take Heath Shuler over both of them. What a waste of two first round draft picks.

Posted by: resolution | March 4, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rogers, no one is looking for a corner back, with hands of brick, and a head made of block too match.


Give him nothing, he wants !!!!

Posted by: dashriprock | March 4, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, if they were playing man, he got burned a lot.. not just on double moves... oh yeah... he also had stone hands... could not catch a cold if it was given to him..... All he has done is Btch btch btch.... you know what, IF you are that good and valuable, a team will tender you a bigger offer...... the proof is in the pudding Mr Rogers.

Posted by: rvanags | March 4, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Boo Hoo. Goodbye.

Posted by: ML1001 | March 4, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I hope they give this whiner his wish and send him packing. You "catch" that Carlos?

Posted by: jfoster13 | March 4, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

No To Dunta Robinson! If we get a bite on one of these restricted FA's, we can draft a CB. Supposed to be a deep draft at that position this year. Why spend big bucks on an injury prone CB? However, If we do sign one it should be Bodden.

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | March 4, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Carlos - SHUT UP!!!!!!

Posted by: pwflew1 | March 5, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Carlos isn't the brightest and is far from the best cornerback in the division so we're stuck with "All Thumbs" for now.

Carlos and players of his ilk (big talk & small play) were a big part in last year's horrible 4-12 season.

I don't care that I've hurt Carlos feelings because I'm not saying thanks. He should be grateful. He might still have a job in 2010.

He doesn't know it yet, but he is being given a fresh start, just same club, with different coaches.

Sucks your agent didn't tell you no other clubs are calling! Not even Jerry from Seattle...

Next move is his, so ...prepare for camp, compete and perform. Problem is, he's not getting it!

Perhaps Carlos agent underperforms and doesn't deliver, just like Carlos.

Anyway, sorry for wasting server space, I think Shanahan already knows all this ... end of camp, Rogers is a cut if he hasn't already been dumped.

Posted by: psssst | March 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

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