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DeAngelo Hall likes what he sees of Redskins' rebuilding plan

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall was as curious as any fan to see how the Redskins would approach the offseason. Apparently, he's okay with how things have gone so far. He noted that the team has shed some "dead weight" and has faith in the plan of Coach Mike Shanahan.

"When I saw a lot of guys getting released, I thought we'd kind of jump in there, business as usual -- jump in there head-first, make a lot of splashes," Hall said during an appearance on ESPN's "First Take" Monday morning. "But Coach Shanahan and the new guys we got there, they have a plan. They have a plan. We got rid of some of the dead weight. They going to build this team the way they see fit. And I'm excited about it."

Hall said he'll spend part of the offseason working out with Darrell Green and Deion Sanders, and he seems to know that there will be an added emphasis on offseason workouts under Shanahan.

"Guys are gonna be accountable. He's going to want guys there, working out," he said. "It's going to be build some kind of camaraderie. We going to be ready to play football, that's for sure."

Hall was asked to play general manager and address the Redskins' first-round draft pick. He didn't need to think about it very long. "We've been kind of banged up on the offensive line. Whenever I'm playing Madden or anything like that, the first thing I do when we got a fantasy draft is I go get an offensive lineman," he said. "Whenever we start a league up, that's the first thing I'm doing is go get an offensive tackle."

And, as we've heard from many players by now, Hall is real excited to play for Shanahan.

"Just seeing his vision and the way he goes about business, you definitely know -- when we found out he was going to be the guy, I think everybody in the organization kind of was like, you know what, yes. This guy is a proven winner, he has a direction, he has a plan, he's gonna stick with it and guys are gonna follow," Hall said. "You can either follow him or get off the ship. That's kind of what we need."

Hall is in Bristol, Conn., all day and is expected to also make appearances on "The Scott Van Pelt Show," "NFL Live" and "The Herd" with Colin Cowherd.

By Rick Maese  |  March 8, 2010; 11:49 AM ET
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Nice of him to refer to his ex-teammates as 'dead weight', especially when I'm sure he pretended to be friends with some of them.

What a stand up guy.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

last

Posted by: jgr007 | March 8, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

And in this draft the tackle position is deep!

Posted by: periculum | March 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

well... not a lot of people up here today...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This is nice, but I already watched ESPN today. Can I get maybe a "Willie Parker and Larry Foote did indeed arrive for their visits and according to team sources they are in negotiations" or "their signings don't appear to be imminent." Something besides somebody said something somewhere that most of us already knew.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

truth be told, hes part of that dead weight

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts...

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.

This is a sink or swim year for Campbell's career. He sunk with me two years ago, but for those that continue to ride that bus, I understand you need more time.

Don't think that just because we still have people like Cooley and Rogers on the roster means they won't trade them. If you can get a 2nd or 3rd for Cooley, I'd do it today. Yoder is a good 2nd Tight end.

I wonder if Marko Mitchell can beat out Kelly, Moss or Thomas for a starting spot.

We need to draft London Fletcher's replacement

I like Edwin Williams to groom at Center.

Emmit Smith's comments were a total low blow...totally classless...Dan Snyder did nothing to him.

...Be back later!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

"When you say "we," please remember this line after about Week Four when the peeps up here start screaming about the current level of inactivity..."


I suggest many of the whiners attend a BA metting.

You know, BA--Bloggas Anonymous.

You sit in a circle of sports fans who admit they addictively blog when they should be working, and know they have a problem.

I sat in one where a Mets' fan admitted he posted in a Red Sox blog that he was glad that Buckner's '86 World Series error had helped deepened his sorrow.

A Knicks fan said he still blogged that he believed W Reed was faking it in '72 and wasn't hurt, but had to rile up his team mates, especially Phil Jackson.

A Houston Oiler blogga complained that that the Titans had stolen his team's colors.

Yeah, that dude was massively confused.

Just like these skins fans who wanted change, but beg for more of the looney FA deals they later learned to hate.

Go 'head, admit you're craving a Vinny Cerrato-style hit of overpaying for Clifton/Pashos just to get that old feeling back.

Me?: now that I'm clean, all I'm feeling is happy that some people with clear heads are running things.

I now prefer to be hooked on common damn sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

good to know DeAngelo is on board, cuz without his support I wasn't sure it was a good idea. And then I woke up and realized no one cares what Hall thinks. I'll give you and Rogers the same advice: shut up and play.

Posted by: pgugino | March 8, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

For the record, when a blogger makes a Madden reference its not a valid point. When a player makes a Madden reference it is slightly more valid.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Emmitt Smith is a dam Cowboy it does not surprise me by his ignorant comment about Snyder, why the hecht would he be targeting Snyder? Emmitt get a life go back to dancing lessons. I guess your still upset when the Skins beat that a#@ in your Ring of Shame ceremony,LMFAO

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

its not a good day, until someone brings up trading cooley...despite how monumentally stupid it might be...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Headline could read: "Hall Happy to be Last Overpriced Free Agent Signed By Skins"

Posted by: mack1 | March 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The existence of a "Scott Van Pelt Show" is troubling to me.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The more I learn about Hall, the more I regret signing him. Calling teammates dead weight, awful.

Reading between the lines, it seems he like he wasn't as motivated as he could have been in 2009. It showed in his play.

I hope Shanahan holds people accountable, starting with Hall.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Ricky... I understand how you could say you prefer Hall over Rogers. Rogers cannt catch a cold and his cover skills seem to be deteriorating as his hands becoming a bigger issue. 2 years ago, before he "blowed" (good old emmit) his knee up, he was becoming one of the better cover corners in the leauge. Then his hands became a massive issue, he dropped every pick, including that one vrs the seahawks in the playoff game that woulda changed the entire game... and now he has lost his confidence.

Hall on the other hand, catches all the balls that hits his hands. I agree, that is awesome. I love that. However, if he is not picking balls off, his man is catching them. He is beat every 3rd play at least. He does not understand how to stay on his man, and does not understand what it means to get up on his man when its 2nd and short or 3rd and short. Also, its not like his tactics protect him from being beat deep because he was beat deep almos every game (just got lucky that the pass was either not thrown to his wide open man, or guys like Orton overthrew it...).

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Some things are indelibly (sp) etched in my mind and D Hall getting his sorry butt pulled up field for a first down by the slow footed, Jake Delhomme is one of them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 8, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Did he really call former teammates dead weight? That's quite a mouthful from a cornerback who doesn't cover very well.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 8, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Nice of him to refer to his ex-teammates as 'dead weight', especially when I'm sure he pretended to be friends with some of them.

What a stand up guy.


He probably has a reason to throw them under the bus...none of them came to his aid except big Al when he got pinned on the sidelines in last year's melee. I doubt he pretended to be friends with any of them.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 8, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.
Posted by: rickyroge

The only thing Hall is aggressive at is running his mouth....Tell ur b!tch to make an aggressive tackle...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I’m not a huge Dan Snyder fan but what Emmit Smif said was ridiculous. I have no problem with him saying he loved to beat the skins, which he and his cowboys did more often than not, and that he loved it even more when Snyder bought the team. Snyder has certainly brought onto himself a “buy a championship” persona for which fierce fans of other teams love to hate, but for Emmit, who has apparently never even met the guy, to say such disparaging remarks about Snyder shows what a low life d-bag he really is. He even says that he “heard” that Snyder is not a compassionate guy. Maybe he should ask guys like Todd Collins, Joe Bugel, and anyone involved with the team after Sean Taylor died if they think that Snyder is a d-bag, or as Riggo said, has a “dark heart”. Riggo’s comments were a little over the top, and I don’t think anyone takes him seriously after that, but at least he met Snyder. I guess maybe Emmit “heard” it from Riggo’s youtube thingy. What a bama.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

he was becoming one of the better cover corners in the leauge

He was playing well 2 years ago. He wasn't anywhere NEAR one of the best in the league.......however that level hasn't been seen since.....and there has been regression, instead of improvement.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Headline could read: "Hall Happy to be Last Overpriced Free Agent Signed By Skins"

Posted by: mack1

Now that would be worth reading....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nice of him to refer to his ex-teammates as 'dead weight', especially when I'm sure he pretended to be friends with some of them.

What a stand up guy.

Posted by: Rypien11

He's a two-faced bastard....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear what Carter's role in this new defense will be? I believe he hated being a 3-4 OLB in San Francisco, so I can't imagine he'll be too happy being one here. Also, it appears he's too small to play a 3-4 DE, so it looks like we'll have another disgruntled player rant soon.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Love the way things are going thank God we did not over pay clifton, pashos is over rated in his own mind-3 teams 3 yrs is a red flag. Hope they sign Foote and would go along with Parker signing if they get him on the cheap and draft a rb later in the draft. Parker has speed and would be a nice change of pace for Portis. I beleive Portis will come in and work hard now and get back to close to what he was. We still need o-line help. Does anyone know much about B. Sims??????

Posted by: BleedBurgandGold | March 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear what Carter's role in this new defense will be? I believe he hated being a 3-4 OLB in San Francisco, so I can't imagine he'll be too happy being one here. Also, it appears he's too small to play a 3-4 DE, so it looks like we'll have another disgruntled player rant soon.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I bet we move him for a draft pick. It may not happen until somebody's DE blows their knee out but I bet it happens before the trade deadline.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall likes what he sees of Redskins' rebuilding plan

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall was ... okay with how things have gone so far. He noted that the team has shed some "dead weight" and has faith in the plan of Coach Mike Shanahan.

REDSKIN INSIDER

Well that's a load off my mind. As long as DeAngelo is happy, I am too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Some things are indelibly (sp) etched in my mind and D Hall getting his sorry butt pulled up field for a first down by the slow footed, Jake Delhomme is one of them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

Pulled that b!tch like DEAD WEIGHT....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The only comment that DHall made that matters is that he would be working out in the offseason with Deion and Darrell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the "dead weight" reference is being taking out of context by a few of you here. (Shocker!)

Besides, he wasn't incorrect. It's just probably not the best of words.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I need to learn how to type intelligently... some of my posts make no sense....

The point is... Hall cannot tackle or cover. He can catch when balls luckily fall into his hands but outside of that he is a liability on defense. Rogers, on the other hand, cannot catch anything. His hands are stone and he is letting that take over his cover skills. He was once a great CB. A guy who shut down TO and Moss (moss had 2 catches in that game we got destroyed by the pats a few years ago in the game we got destroyed like 57-7, and his TD was a clear offensive Pass Interference that wasnt called). HOwever, at least Carlos comes up in run support and does not get run over by Jake "Crybaby" Delhomme. Carlos is still the better cover corner too... his only problem is he does not come up with the pick.

While I agree that that is a major aspect of a corners job, so is actually covering your man and playing the run, and Hall doesn't do either of those.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I suggest many of the whiners attend a BA metting.

You know, BA--Bloggas Anonymous

---MistaMoe.

You first.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Man, the haterade is flowing like the Potomac today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.
Posted by: rickyroge

The only thing Hall is aggressive at is running his mouth....Tell ur b!tch to make an aggressive tackle...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse


See why'd you have to go there jcnjcnj??? I was trying to be peaceful and catch up on some bloggin' on my lunch hour.

I'll tell your mother as soon as I see her tonight. Nothin' like some good ole' cougar cootch...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Count me in the minority, but I like DHall. A little bit of under-the-bussing with these comments, but all is forgiven when you bring it on gameday.

He was one of the few players last season that brought passion to this defense, and it showed on the field. I still remember that NY game when a gang of Giants jumped us near the sidelines, and the only two players with balls enough to stand up for themselves were the two 'overpriced prima donnas' while the rest of the 'true redskins' sat on their gutless hands. Hall isn't perfect, but this team would be much better off if we had 22 starters with the passion he shows.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.

Posted by: rickyroge

Hall was "around the ball a lot" last year, if by that you mean standing 5-10 yards behind the receiver catching deflections.

As of now the top three CB's look to be two 5'9"-5'10" mini-corners and Disgruntled Manos de Piedra.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Last year really showed how bad the coaching here was. Not just the scheme and play calling, but just getting players ready for games. Heck, just getting them motivated.

I for one am willing to give all of the players from last year that remain on the roster another chance under this new coaching staff. Yes Hall can't tackle, and Portis wouldn't practice (and both run their mouth too much), JC had his problems, etc., but with Shanahan running the show, players will play if they deserve to, not because they have huge contracts.

As some have posted already, Shanahan is not afraid to trade a "star" player, so the team will be motivated to play this year. Even if the record does not improve much, just getting the players to buy into his plan and excited about playing will be an improvement. And so far, the players seem excited, which is more than they were last year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.
Posted by: rickyroge

The only thing Hall is aggressive at is running his mouth....Tell ur b!tch to make an aggressive tackle...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse


See why'd you have to go there jcnjcnj??? I was trying to be peaceful and catch up on some bloggin' on my lunch hour.

I'll tell your mother as soon as I see her tonight. Nothin' like some good ole' cougar cootch...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

See why'd you have to go there jcnjcnj??? I was trying to be peaceful and catch up on some bloggin' on my lunch hour.

I'll tell your mother as soon as I see her tonight. Nothin' like some good ole' cougar cootch...

Posted by: rickyroge

I'm sorry..i didn't know Hall was packing your putty...both u b!tches are like cell-mates..jail-house cootchie

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

He was once a great CB.

pas, try it again...third time will be the charm I'm sure.

we're seen exponentially more lousy play, 4 1/2 seasons worth, versus 8 games of playing up to his draft spot....

call stuff like it is...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I need to learn how to type intelligently...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1


Hmmm...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

funny, motivation and inspiration are what they are. they can come in the form of a hard task master or the accomplishments of another individual. To assume that 'all players' in any league are self-motivated or should be because of the $$$ or pride, flies in the face of what we know from watching sports and from what the players will tell you themselves; even coaches will sell themselves as 'motivators' get real people... it takes a damn good sheriff to get a real posse!

Posted by: aypub | March 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the "dead weight" reference is being taking out of context by a few of you here. (Shocker!)...


Posted by: RedDMV

This is the DIRECT QUOTE by DeAngelo Hall

"But Coach Shanahan and the new guys we got there, they have a plan. They have a plan. We got rid of some of the dead weight."

Not sure how exactly people are taking this out of context, as you claim unless he said "Oh by the way, my next comment is satire and not to be intended as demeaning or criticizing my former teammates who are now out of a job. See because if I meant it in a serious context it would be a cruel, classless remark and a head kick to some people who are already down,"

Yeah, then I'd say the critics of his comment are out of context.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the "dead weight" reference is being taking out of context by a few of you here. (Shocker!)...


Posted by: RedDMV

This is the DIRECT QUOTE by DeAngelo Hall

"But Coach Shanahan and the new guys we got there, they have a plan. They have a plan. We got rid of some of the dead weight."

Not sure how exactly people are taking this out of context, as you claim unless he said "Oh by the way, my next comment is satire and not to be intended as demeaning or criticizing my former teammates who are now out of a job. See because if I meant it in a serious context it would be a cruel, classless remark and a head kick to some people who are already down,"

Yeah, then I'd say the critics of his comment are out of context.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the "dead weight" reference is being taking out of context by a few of you here. (Shocker!)

Besides, he wasn't incorrect. It's just probably not the best of words.

Posted by: RedDMV

How could we possibly be taking it out of context? What else could he be talking about?

Anyways, there are ways to do things... somebody like JC wouldn't have put it like that... in fact Deangelo, Clinton, and maybe Albert are the only guys who would have chosen to use "dead weight", IMO.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

ricky... you had to post that twice? seems unnecessary....

either way, neither Hall nor Carlos should remain in the roster. We need to overhaul the entire 2ndard, including moving Landry back to SS where he belongs. Hopefully Barnes can become a player and tiny Justin can continue to improve and hold down the slot corner spot (asking a lot from him but i mean we have little options at this point). Carlos will probably be gone next year and hopefully we can draft/ sign a vet who can actually cover.

Sadly, Hall and his massive contract will be here for a few more years, but if we can remove him from the top wrs and place him on #2's maybe he wont get beat so badly... but i mean that, again, is probably asking toooo much of someone.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Man, the haterade is flowing like the Potomac today.

Posted by: Original_etrod

I can't speak for the others, but I think mine is caused by my upset at the Academy snubbing Farrah Faucett.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, there are ways to do things... somebody like JC wouldn't have put it like that... in fact Deangelo, Clinton, and maybe Albert are the only guys who would have chosen to use "dead weight", IMO.

Posted by: Rypien11

Just a question...Has Albert been throwing guys under the bus?
I may have missed those remarks..if not maybe we should wait for him to do so b4 we lump him in with those other 2...dont hate on him because of the money...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, Smoot can rest assured another loudmouth, overrated CB is still carrying the torch--and getting torched on the field at times too.

Posted by: pgugino | March 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Will Hall see himself as dead weight when he gets the ax in the future?

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | March 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj- Do you not remember last year when Haynesworth threw his own hc under the bus? I mean i understand zorn was not the most widely respected coach in the league... probably not even on our own team... but no player should ever throw their HC under anything... period.

Haynesworth is a me only type player. Coming to Halls aid last year or not, the man only cares about 1 person, and it may be a massive person, it still only counts as one. The man got paid, hes happy and hes content. He would happily throw anyone he has to under the bus in order to get what he wants...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Who wasn't Dead Weight that was let go???

DHall plays for Shanny now.....Plus, unless you tell me what he said immedietly before and after those qoutes, they could possibly be taken out of Context....

No News is No NEws....(Not good for the RI offseason)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Man, the haterade is flowing like the Potomac today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Haters are always gonnna hate. Especially on a sunny day.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are being frugal in free agency and I actual agree with something DeAngelo Hall says, re: offensive tackle with the #4 pick. I'm heading to the basement, the apocalyse is upon us!

Posted by: stwasm | March 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey D-Hall, if you're contract was up THIS year and not LAST year... don't be so sure the Skins would have been so free spending for YOUR services.

Posted by: daddy00 | March 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

It's just way too agreeable on here with the sanity in the front office.

So:

1. Let's pick Clausen at #4. It may be a big reach, but we NEED a QB, and hey, he went to Notre Dame!

2. Why aren't we signing some of these guys? We have lots of holes to fill and deep pockets....this is the year to stick to the "Dan Akroyd GB plan"..."Get 'em!"

3. I think we should change the name of the team. It's offensive to those 8 people, or whatever.

4. Red, Cork, Peoplerstupid, Bean, and Brownwood all stink and know nothing about football...and oh yeah, f Chris Larry.


---------

Let's face it, it's going to be blissfully boring around here.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Just a question...Has Albert been throwing guys under the bus?
I may have missed those remarks..if not maybe we should wait for him to do so b4 we lump him in with those other 2...dont hate on him because of the money...

Posted by: jcnjcnj

Note I said "maybe" Albert. And he hasn't yet this year, but he certainly had his episodes last year with coaches, the meetings nonsense, etc.

I know its unthinkable that a guy who cleated somebody's elses face might use the phrase "dead weight" in referring to teammates, but I'm just hypothesizing here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Will Hall see himself as dead weight when he gets the ax in the future?

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | March 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse
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Where abouts? Lima? Arequipa?

Spent a lot of time down there.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

save the fake outrage.

D.Hall is saying the same thing most people up here said about the cuts.

Just because someone is your former teammate doesn't mean you have any kind of obligation towards them to say they are great players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Funny how D. Hall calls his former teammmates 'dead weight' when he's coming off an ordinary year for a No. 1 CB who is getting paid a lot. I was a little surprised the Redskins didn't push harder to sign Pashos who would have been a nice fit and an upgrade at RT. I never figured Clifton would leave a perennial playoff team like Green Bay where's he played for 10 years. I think his visit here was simply a negotiating ploy with Green Bay. The fact that Pashos signed with an equally bad team like Cleveland is very disappointing.

IF the Redskins don't draft a LT in in the first round, I'd be shocked at this point. Anyone they pick up later in free agency or who is waived during the summer by their team is going to be no better than Levi Jones. Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Jones is signed as a backup tackle later this summer.

I will be disappointed if the Redskins sign Willie Parker. Like Portis he's past his prime and has been injured parts of the last 3 years. He's no longer a prime back and appeared to have lost his speed as a home run hitter. I'm hoping we can do better than that for a backup RB in free agency.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

save the fake outrage.

D.Hall is saying the same thing most people up here said about the cuts.

Just because someone is your former teammate doesn't mean you have any kind of obligation towards them to say they are great players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

you're also under no obligation to trash them

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

mr green, please teach this fool how to wrap up and tackle. jake delhomme beasted this bama last year.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Dead weight? Who could he possibly be referring to among this group of overachievers:

Eddie Williams
Marcus Mason
Randy Thomas
Rock Cartwright
Fred Smoot
Cornelius Griffin
Todd Collins
Antwaan Randle El
Ladell Betts
J. D. Skolnitsky

"Dead weight" is a compliment compared to some of the things that those guys have been called up here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pgugino | March 8, 2010 12:11 PM

Your sarcasm is amusing, but it really IS good that DeAngelo is on board. As a leader, one of the hardest parts of changing things is getting buy-in from the people doing the work.

Last year, we heard a few players saying, "I just run the plays that are called." Sometimes that's good enough, but when players start talking like that you often end up with an offense that can't score. That player isn't really on board.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

For the record, when a blogger makes a Madden reference its not a valid point. When a player makes a Madden reference it is slightly more valid.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM

... or that the player is in his mid twenties and doesn't spend a lot of time doing other things, like books (don't get me wrong, books are for chumps).

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

J. D. Skolnitsky

"Dead weight" is a compliment compared to some of the things that those guys have been called up here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Who is J.D. Skolnitsky?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Tuh, whatever Cork. You hate Hall so much that if the dude said "Hello, sir.", You'd take it as if he just f-bombed your entire family.

You don't like the guy and never did. So why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? You're anti-DeAngelo Hall bias prevents you from doing this.

Last time I checked, "taking out of context" means that people interpret something in a manner in which it was not intended to be understood. It cold very well be a poor choice of words and nothing more. It doesn't have to mean that he had some sort of hard feelings with those who were released.

Again, I don't think he said anything wrong. Those guys while were overall good teammates and at times key contributors, the fact is that their course has completed in D.C. and it was time for them to go.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Who is J.D. Skolnitsky?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM

We refer to him in the past tense. Who WAS J.D. Skolnitsky? He wrote "Catcher in the Rye," one of the all time most overrated books. Like sween, I'd rather be playing Madden than reading that brick.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

save the fake outrage.

D.Hall is saying the same thing most people up here said about the cuts.

Just because someone is your former teammate doesn't mean you have any kind of obligation towards them to say they are great players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Says the man with the handle named after the worst teammate on the Redskins.

I'm not saying they WEREN'T dead weight.. I'm saying when you are a professional athlete you should act professionally towards teammates, coaches, ex-teammates, ex-coaches.

I'm not LIVID about.. all I'm saying is certainly wasn't the classiest thing he could have said and somebody WITH class like JC would not have said it.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976276

Pure speculation at this point but does it seem like there might be some trouble for Big Ben brewing? At best he's shown some really poor judgement. At worst.......

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be so hard on Hall. His comments are true and the dead weight can be attributed to Snyder and Cerrato. Lots of dead weight gone in my opinion. It's up to Hall now to show he's part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Posted by: jdumb | March 8, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The people who are in a uproar about Hall's "dead weight" comment don't even care for the guy and wish he wasn't on the team anyway.

Love to see those people who wear their hate on their sleeve for particular players start crying when they sneeze too loud.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

the problem with Hall's statement is that by calling out former teammates as 'dead weight', current teammates aren't going to trust him.

Not that an interviewer would have the wits to ask this question, but as soon as the dead weight comment came out, I'd have asked Hall "who didn't get released that is dead weight?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Pure speculation at this point but does it seem like there might be some trouble for Big Ben brewing? At best he's shown some really poor judgement. At worst.......

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2010 1:21 PM

Anytime you have to hire a high-profile criminal attorney, trouble isn't just brewing but you're slurping it in grandes. Innocent or guilty -- it's a tough way to spend your time. I'd rather be reading "Catcher in the Rye."

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Who is J.D. Skolnitsky?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM

We refer to him in the past tense. Who WAS J.D. Skolnitsky? He wrote "Catcher in the Rye," one of the all time most overrated books. Like sween, I'd rather be playing Madden than reading that brick.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

What was his 40 time?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

What are you guys mad about. Those guys were dead weight.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

As much as it would be nice to have great character guys at all positions of the team, the reality is that all of them are human and react that way most of the time.

What I want is players with passion that bring it on Sundays. D Hall has passion and brings it on Sundays. He has already admitted that he needs to step up his game which in his mind has dropped from where he was at before.

Shanny will get these guys motivated and ready to play, but if you don't have passion, the coaches will not be able to fix that. But they can take a guy with passion and get him focused on the team's goals.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo's right, but the biggest dead weight had to go first: Vinny Cerrato.

Playoff roster my butt.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Hall maybe is starting to mature as a player. Wanting to workout with the best in the off-season and improve his game is a good sign. Certainly, Zorn wasn't inspiring work ethic.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The people who are in a uproar about Hall's "dead weight" comment don't even care for the guy and wish he wasn't on the team anyway.

Love to see those people who wear their hate on their sleeve for particular players start crying when they sneeze too loud.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 1:22 PM

Are you speaking for me, Red?

I've never said a bad word about the guy, and I have no problem with him being on the team. I think he's our best corner.

The reaction to me sarcastically calling him a "stand up guy" has been much more vehement than any comment I made.

Sorry guys... I didn't invent the "MeAngelo" nickname... obviously he got it for a reason.

Just saying it wasn't a classy statement.

Sorry if some of you are related to him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Classy gesture for DeAngelo to call his former teammates dead weight. That's the same DeAngelo Hall who's the most overpaid cornerback in the league and usually gives his man about 20 yards of cushion...

Posted by: randysbailin | March 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

LS is too old for a coming of age novel published in the early f-ing 50's!

Posted by: mack1 | March 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The issue really isn't that he called ex teammates dead weight... its that he is dead weight himself.

if the man does not improve his cover skills our defense will continue to give up points at the most inopportune times. I was not a Dhall hater at first. I lobbyied hard for us to go sign him after the raiders dropped him. He was solid for the Falcons, a but of a malcontent, but I put that on the situation in Atlanta. THe man, when motivated is a great player (IE haynesworth)... however he hasn't been motivated since his early years and after so many years of slacking off its not easy to round yourself back into playing form (work ethic is sooo hard to reinstall).

The problem with Hall is that he feels, for some reason, that he is entitled to things. His past work allows him to act as some big shot. Getting released from the Raiders helped knock him down a notch, but the man needs to realize he is at best, a 2nd tier corner in this league.

His comments, by themselves, are fairly unoffensive. The players are no longer on the team, he doesn't have to respect them... and theres a solid chance it was taken out of context... however, coupled with the fact that he has this self-righteous attitude about himself and his play, his comments do make him out to be a POS who is calling out his teammates to inflate his own personal self worth... and to me that is not acceptable...

Until he becomes less of the so called "dead weight" I would really like to not hear from him.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Who is J.D. Skolnitsky?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM

We refer to him in the past tense. Who WAS J.D. Skolnitsky? He wrote "Catcher in the Rye," one of the all time most overrated books. Like sween, I'd rather be playing Madden than reading that brick.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse
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Oh. I thought he was that white boy d lineman that we cut.

Seriously.

Sorry, was never forced to read Catcher in the Rye, thank goodness.

I'd call Les Miserables the most overrated book though, if we are keeping score.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Playoff roster my butt.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM

1. He didn't say "playoff roster." He said "superbowl roster."

2. It was a "playoff roster." Despite all the injuries, if Shanahan had been coaching the Redskins would have won six games that Zorn lost: Detroit, Carolina, Kansas City, Dallas, San Diego, New Orleans. There would have been better morale, coaching, game management, play-calling.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Says the man with the handle named after the worst teammate on the Redskins.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Didn't realize your handle made your opinion more or less credible.

Anyways didn't go with it bc CP is my favorite player. Just thought it was funny when he said it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

does anyone believe that we will make an attempt to get donovan mcnabb possibly

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked, "taking out of context" means that people interpret something in a manner in which it was not intended to be understood.
Posted by: RedDMV

I actually like DHall the player but at best that was a poor choice of words. I don't think it is being taken out of context. It is probably what he believes, just not expressed as eloquantly and diplomatically as it should have been. Corners are supposed to have short memories and be arrogant, correct?

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Interviewer: So Jake, what was the best moment of your 2009 season?

Delhomme: Running for a first down to clinch the win versus the Redskins

Interviewer: Was it a tough run?

Delhomme: Not really, just had to run over a little dead weight

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"What was his 40 time?"


It's my understanding could chug one in about two minutes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports the New York Jets have not ruled out the possibility of signing free-agent WR Laveranues Coles (Bengals). The Jets will take their time before making a decision on Coles, perhaps waiting until after the NFL Draft, but he might be an option if he agrees to a relatively modest one-year contract

Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports it would not be a surprise if the Oakland Raiders were to show interest in free-agent RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers), particularly after the release of RB Justin Fargas

The New York Post reports the New England Patriots could make a run at New York Jets restricted free-agent RB Leon Washington, according to two league observers.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

funny zeke.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 |

ur handle is a good one..in fact one of the better ones on RI

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Interviewer: That was a nice TD versus the Skins in the opener, tell me about how it went down?

manningham: Well, I caught this short pass, then this dead weight goes flying by me but doesn't touch me, so I ran for the touchdown.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Sweet maybe Deion will give him some more tackling advice: "Your doing great DH, tackles are a business decision and should be used only in desperate situations. Oh no one can tackle Delhomme, hes like Jim Brown out there"

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I thought I read something about Jenny Craig scheduled for a visit at Redskin Park last week.
Hall comments prove it.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

D.Hall is probably one of the most honest/outspoken guys on the team, he always has been. I have no problems with what he said and neither should you all.

I honestly don't think he's going to say,"Yeah, those we're some AWESOME players that we are really going to miss. ARE was the BOMB on punt returns!"

I think if he said something like that I would be more worried.

Personally, I like the fact he said he was going to work out with D.Green and Deion. That shows me he's not doing a CP and sitting on his butt. Hopefully, that translates into better numbers next year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

zcez.... alright we get it... funny the first time dont kill it ha

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Pure speculation at this point but does it seem like there might be some trouble for Big Ben brewing? At best he's shown some really poor judgement. At worst.......

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2010 1:21 PM

... at worst, the Skins and Steelers swap starting QBs.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

D. Hall was lucky he wasn't a few more years into his contract.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

2. It was a "playoff roster." Despite all the injuries, if Shanahan had been coaching the Redskins would have won six games that Zorn lost: Detroit, Carolina, Kansas City, Dallas, San Diego, New Orleans. There would have been better morale, coaching, game management, play-calling.

Posted by: League-Source

There is a lot of truth in this. Zorn was a disaster. Not sure we could have gotten to 10 wins, but 8-8 wouldn't have been very doable.

One example: the team came out flat almost every game -- we were outscored by 70 points over the season, about 60 came in the 1st quarter.

Of course, it would have been 8-8 against a weak schedule -- 2010 is going to be very tough.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is nice, but I already watched ESPN today. Can I get maybe a "Willie Parker and Larry Foote did indeed arrive for their visits and according to team sources they are in negotiations" or "their signings don't appear to be imminent." Something besides somebody said something somewhere that most of us already knew.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Those players may very well be dead weight, but until he proves otherwise, Hall is just the pot calling the kettle black.

We'll see if he finally walks to walk - until then, he simple symbolizes the problems this organization has had.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is nice, but I already watched ESPN today. Can I get maybe a "Willie Parker and Larry Foote did indeed arrive for their visits and according to team sources they are in negotiations" or "their signings don't appear to be imminent." Something besides somebody said something somewhere that most of us already knew.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM

You are so impatient. This isn't Reid/Maese's fault. It's PFT's. Just as soon as Florio posts it on PFT, they'll rewrite it and post it here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM

Man it's obvious the post burned its bridges with the Skins. Allen will talk to Peter King but won't return a phone call to the post. You are going to have to go to espn or ccn and keep refreshing if you are looking for any breaking Redskin news.

I don't care what Hall says if he picks off 5-10 passes and makes an effort to learn how to tackle.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

zcez.... alright we get it... funny the first time dont kill it ha

Posted by: peoplearestupid1

Had to let off a bit more steam, but yeah, once was enough.

Does seem nuts when an overpaid guy who didn't exactly lay it on the line is calling out others.

I think Shanahan fixes this issue, with Hall and with a few others. Still, if Shanahan wants to send a message, he gets rid of Portis.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

We'll see if he finally walks to walk -

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM

You mean like returning to the Pro Bowl?

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Just as soon as Florio posts it on PFT, they'll rewrite it and post it here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 1:54 PM

Sometimes those PFT posts are posted here before they are posted on the PFT site. Weird.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Pure speculation at this point but does it seem like there might be some trouble for Big Ben brewing?"

Me got some questions:

What kinda club was it?

Where did the alleged assault occur?

Isn't Ben R. one of those "I thank the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ types"?

How does a guy who's been accused of something like this before get himself in a situation where it happens again?

Did Big Ben watch the Tiger Woods news conference from a few weeks ago?

What kind of civil damages will the plaintiff seek and wouldn't it make sense to pay them upfront to get it all out of the media?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If Skins' free agency is supposed to last for "months," I'm hoping our intrepid WaPo RI reporters at least have made connections with the various big timey agents and their leak sources.

So is today just Maake Kemoeatu and Larry Foote day?

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
Monday, March 8th, 2:04
Former Washington Redskin, Rock Cartwright, having already taken aim at the organization for releasing him, now directs his umbrage at former teammate, Deangelo Hall for referring to the cuts the Redskins made as 'dead weight'. Cartwright went on the record as saying that Hall was one of the problems that the team had last year, and will continue to be with Mike Shanahan as the coach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Ben R. one of those "I thank the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" types?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 1:57 PM

I don't think he's one of those types ... but he might be one of those fonts.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is an overrated showboat and his comments pertaining to the direction of the organization are not wanted or needed...I would rather he shut his mouth and worked on honing his coverage skills

Posted by: hehateme | March 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice an endorsement of the new coaching staff's plan from the likes of Hall. Really does my heart good. NOT! More 'dead weight' needs to go. Hall, Portis and Fat Albert still remain.

Posted by: ctrumpeter | March 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the grammar.

Nice to see an endorsement of the new coaching staff's plan from the likes of Hall. Really does my heart good. NOT! More 'dead weight' needs to go. Hall, Portis and Fat Albert still remain.

Posted by: ctrumpeter | March 8, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
Monday, March 8th, 2:04
Former Washington Redskin, Rock Cartwright, having already taken aim at the organization for releasing him, now directs his umbrage at former teammate, Deangelo Hall for referring to the cuts the Redskins made as 'dead weight'. Cartwright went on the record as saying that Hall was one of the problems that the team had last year, and will continue to be with Mike Shanahan as the coach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 1:58 PM

How'd you do that Bean? You posted something at 1:58 that Florio didn't post until 2:04. I used to think that you made this stuff up. Now I think you're a seer without peer.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"We got rid of some of the dead weight." --DHall

"D. Hall was lucky he wasn't a few more years into his contract." -- dcsween


Both DHall and DSween are correct.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We'll see if he finally walks to walk -

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 8, 2010 1:51 PM

You mean like returning to the Pro Bowl?


Posted by: League-Source

weren't you one of those critical of the process for determining pro bowlers?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Can I get maybe a "Willie Parker and Larry Foote did indeed arrive for their visits and according to team sources they are in negotiations" or "their signings don't appear to be imminent."

I like the idea of signing Foote.

Parker I'm not too sure about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Allen would be smart to fix the Skins relationship with WaPo.

Its not the first priority, but Danny's pettiness with the media (at least the media he doesn't control) is another thing that can go away with Shanahan and Allen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

this is one of the few times I will use this-

ROTFLMAO

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What kind of civil damages will the plaintiff seek and wouldn't it make sense to pay them upfront to get it all out of the media?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Not sure there's anything he can do now, since it's a criminal investigation.

Not sure hiring Ray Lewis murder trial lawyer was the right move. To some people that's practically an admission of guilt.

Probably better to be free and have people think you're guilty, than to be locked up and have people think your innocent.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

pft.com is reporting that the rams have agreed to terms with DT Fred Robbins..looks like they could go with bradford. thoughts?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is an overrated showboat and his comments pertaining to the direction of the organization are not wanted or needed...I would rather he shut his mouth and worked on honing his coverage skills

Posted by: hehateme | March 8, 2010 2:00 PM


Really? I like his comments. It's a refreshing change from reading about who we're gonna take with the fourth pick or whether we should have paid up for Chad Clifton.

And do you really think it's a choice: run your mouth or work on your coverage skills? Guy can't multi-task? I'm betting that you're able to hold down a full time job while blogging on RI. Besides, running your mouth is an essential skill for a good NFL cornerback.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

thoughts?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 2:07 PM |

My first thought is it's time to change your handle.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Not sure hiring Ray Lewis murder trial lawyer was the right move. To some people that's practically an admission of guilt.

Probably better to be free and have people think you're guilty, than to be locked up and have people think your innocent.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:05 PM

Hiring a good lawyer is "an admission of guilt"? I think it's an admission of intelligence. Ben is in a minefield -- rightly or wrongly -- and he needs the best advice he can get on what to do next.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't like the dead weight reference even if it's true. What Hall needs to do is work on the run support or else he will be added to that weight list next!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 8, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:10 PM

IDK, according to that link he does not weigh very much...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

weren't you one of those critical of the process for determining pro bowlers?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM

No. I'm satisfied with it. In fact, I don't think I've ever been critical of anything up here. Maybe once, but I was meek about it because I didn't want RedDMV to notice.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect to the player and person he has been, and what he has done for the Redskins in the past, I was thinking that Santanna Moss, who is now 30 years old, might just be at that perfect point of about to start on the downside of his career, but still with juice and capacity to be a valuable receiver, that he might well be used to generate a very useable early 2nd pick in this draft. Then I saw that he was scheduled to earn $6.5 million this year. These kind of past Redskin cap messaging money deals that we are still working through are going to slow down the process of turning this team around.

Posted by: northvajim2 | March 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

ls, not sure what you're saying with the suggestion that I'm changing the time on the PFT posts....thats impossible to speed up time....I mean....for about the billionth time, I copy, and I paste...if you want to be ignorant regarding Redskins news, I'll just stop...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hiring a good lawyer is "an admission of guilt"? I think it's an admission of intelligence. Ben is in a minefield -- rightly or wrongly -- and he needs the best advice he can get on what to do next.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Agree with getting a good lawyer, just not the guy from Ray Lewis murder trial.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

because I didn't want RedDMV to notice.

Posted by: League-Source

you are a funny guy for sure..

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ls, not sure what you're saying with the suggestion that I'm changing the time on the PFT posts....thats impossible to speed up time....I mean....for about the billionth time, I copy, and I paste...if you want to be ignorant regarding Redskins news, I'll just stop...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

It just seems like you're inhabiting a different time-space continum than the rest of us, that's about 5 minutes faster...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"What kind of civil damages will the plaintiff seek and wouldn't it make sense to pay them upfront to get it all out of the media?"

True story.

mrsmoe (an accomplished lawyer) handled a case like this where two guys (now well out of the league) got a call from another lawyer after a night of adult consensual 'relations' with two women became a next day shake down for cash.

And the players didn't want to pay.

The girls saved their 'evidence' by spitting it into a cup.

The shakedown didn't work as the women involved made the mistake of contacting a lawyer first and not the police.

I hope the woman accusing Ben is okay.

But I also hope she's not lining up tv appearances, a book deal, and tmz interviews.

There's a terrible thing going on in our country where athletes get blamed for sexual attacks, the public shakes a scorning finger at them, and then later, the victim turns out to be just another dippy chick looking for a pay day.

If you ask me, they should ask for their money before they open their mouths and drop to their knees.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who are NOT upset about D Hall’s “dead weight” comment, I have to say that you don’t sound like very compassionate people. You better hope Emmitt Smiff doesn’t read this blog. He likes to pummel people like you……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that greg fixed the flux capacitor. Now, go fix the Pierce thingy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Agree with getting a good lawyer, just not the guy from Ray Lewis murder trial.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:19 PM

Wow. Maybe you're right. Why would you hire anyone who studied law at the "University" of Georgia? I know they don't teach law at Tech, but he could have gotten an Emory guy.

http://www.gsllaw.com/Bio/EdwardGarland.asp

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Our best corner. Led the team in picks 2 years in a row. Only playmaker in the secondary. I guess that is dead weight.

WTF is wrong with you guys? Isn't this the same group that bashed ARE? The same ones that said Rock should not complain.

You guys are worse than 13 year old girls.

D-Hall can play, so can Fat Albert and Portis. There's some dead weight on this blog.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"i have a big fat contract, so I love the rebuilding process"

good call on the OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

as we all know Mista, sex for money is much cheaper than sex for free

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

does my handle really matter? i guess its important enough to comment on rather actually discussing something

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

IDK, according to that link he does not weigh very much...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 2:13 PM

NCAA has max weight limits for the heavyweight class, which means he's low body fat ... not that hard for a wrestler to add bulk. See Kelly Gregg, Sebastian Vollmer.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

does my handle really matter? i guess its important enough to comment on rather actually discussing something

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

http://www.gsllaw.com/Bio/EdwardGarland.asp

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link.

If I ever need a defense lawyer in Georgia I know who to call.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"...as we all know, sex for money is much cheaper than sex for free..."

You'd think Ben would know this.

Charlie Sheen did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If I ever need a defense lawyer in Georgia I know who to call.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:37 PM

He does criminal defense but also ambulance chasing -- automobile accidents, malpractice, defective products. He seems like a jack-of-all-asses. Maybe the accuser's products are defective?

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Who is J.D. Skolnitsky?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM

Dead Weight.

Need I say more?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, isn't "The Natural" required viewing anymore?... I know... no context.

...orly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"You guys are worse than 13 year old girls."

Having never tried a 'guy' or 13 year old girl, I can't respond to your complaint.

But I will speak to your confusion: both of them are bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Our best corner. Led the team in picks 2 years in a row. Only playmaker in the secondary.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 2:31 PM

Takes off plays. Half-asses tackles. Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR. Not the best corner on the team.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys... I didn't invent the "MeAngelo" nickname... obviously he got it for a reason.

Just saying it wasn't a classy statement.

Sorry if some of you are related to him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 1:33 PM

Actually...The Atlanta Beat Reporters HATED DHall and came up with that name for him....Not Opponnents, Not teamates, not FO, and not the fans.....but the Beat Reporters for the Falcons....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Hall likes this because he got paid last year. I do agree this is a good thing.

Posted by: PEIL | March 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Hall could have been positive about Shanahan without having to describe his former teammates as 'dead weight'.

Even though most of us thought the same thing he did when we saw the cut list.

Of that group only Cornelius Griffin appears to me to be a guy with any real traction left as a rotation guy on the DL.

Rock might get a ST job in the NFL but he will never be a running back as he said he 'should' have been here.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

By the numbers, the Skins' best corner is actually Carlos Rogers (52th), followed by Tryon (65), ex-Fred Smoot (70), and then Hall (76). Two interceptions does not a best corner make.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I am SO disappointed... Last Thursday, I was jumping up and down, excited that the Redskins were gonna do what they do best... And that is WIN IN MARCH!!!! The best part of the year for me. We've ALWAYS won in March....

So disappointing that we haven't pulled it out this year. I'm almost distraught and a little embarrased...

Sigghhhh....

Posted by: carocanesfan | March 8, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins are going to use FA to address the OL especially on depth in the interior. Draft Okung, a RB, and the other picks will be used to address the secondary.

Posted by: clark202 | March 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Anybody but this bum should've spoke for the Skins.....

Posted by: ENJOYA | March 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Takes off plays. Half-asses tackles. Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR. Not the best corner on the team.
Posted by: dcsween

Who is? Regardless, last I checked, you needed 2 starting CBs - is he in the top 2? And just out of curiosity, where did you get the "Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR" stat?

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually...The Atlanta Beat Reporters HATED DHall and came up with that name for him ... Not teamates ... but the Beat Reporters for the Falcons ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 2:47 PM

What his Atlanta teammates did to him wasn't make up a nickname ... they beat him up after a game for giving up 67 yards in penalties and costing the game.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's The Plan:

Wishing, hoping, praying somebody takes Jason Campbell and gives Redskins a #1 (that's why they didn't tender him for a 1 and a 3), Carlos Rogers and gives us a #2, Rocky McIntosh and gives us a #2, etc.

These guys don't fit a 3-4, Shanahan's plans, and are going to be seriously unhappy with tendered money.

Redskins want to take Bradford and have other #1s and #2s to get an offensive tackle or 2, DEs, running backs, cornerbacks, etc.

Please, please, somebody sign Campbell, McIntosh, and Rogers! Please!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

And just out of curiosity, where did you get the "Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR" stat?

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 2:56 PM

Watching the game. They don't put Hall on the #1 guy. They put Rogers on the #1 guy (except when Rogers got benched). Its not a statistic ... its an exaggeration.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Agree with getting a good lawyer, just not the guy from Ray Lewis murder trial.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:19 PM

If I ever need a defense lawyer in Georgia I know who to call.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 2:37 PM


Let's put it like this....

T.I. is a convicted felon found with MULTIPLE guns and silencers not registered to him. Under Federal Law, that's a mandatory 5 years each.

With the help of this same lawyer, T.I. ONLY got 1year in jail where he got to wait one year to serve his time and was out in like 6 months.

Either T.I. is a snitch, or his lawyer is Jesus H. Christ.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
I'm trying to find a silver lining, but the Redskins D has not had much of a pass rush, so the stats for our secondary have taken a beating.

They aren't as bad as the stats indicate. And they are not as good as they think they are.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

rb...

definitely wishful thinking, if not delusional...

sorry dude... it would be nice!

Posted by: carocanesfan | March 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Name the last team that rebuilt their team with FA to win a SB?

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | March 8, 2010 12:42 PM


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Maybe not rebuild through FA, but definitely find contributors

The Rams went from 4-12 to 13-3 in one season and won the Superbowl in 1999.

The previous two offseasons brought starters with Prohl being only non starter but huge veteran contributor:

WR Ricky Prohl
RB Marshall Faulk(Offensive POY)
QB Kurt Warner(League and SB MVP)
OG Adam Timmerman
OG Tom Nutten
LB Todd Collins
LB Mike Jones(made SB winning tackle on Dyson)

Add that to a couple of draft hits

Grant Wistrom
Leonard Little
London Flecther
Dre Bly
Torry Holt
Orlando Pace

In hindsight, the Rams had a playoff caliber defense, but lacked a playoff offense.

i don't think the Rams win SB w/o Warner AND Faulk. With Warner they'd still make playoffs, but no SB.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's the game. I'll be back with the stuff about getting beat up.

http://www.nfl.com/players/deangelohall/profile?id=HAL268837

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the CB position, Lito Sheppard is a UFA and perhaps worth a look by the Skins. I live in Philly where he used to play and it seemed to me he was pretty solid during his time as an Eagle. I have not read anything about the Skins showing any interest in him though.

Posted by: manlius1 | March 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What his Atlanta teammates did to him wasn't make up a nickname ... they beat him up after a game for giving up 67 yards in penalties and costing the game.

Posted by: dcsween

Ahhhhhh!! Now I see the difference. Our guys DIDN'T beat up Hall after Delhomme dragged him to seal our loss vs the Panthers.

Is this what Hall mean when he talks about 'accountability'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Our best corner. Led the team in picks 2 years in a row. Only playmaker in the secondary.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 2:31 PM

Takes off plays. Half-asses tackles. Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR. Not the best corner on the team.

Posted by: dcsween


Did you actually see Hall take plays off, or did you come to this startling conclusion while sitting in the confines of your boom-boom room?

I'd admit that Hall is far from even a mediocre tackler. But I seen him start to improve toward the end of last year.

And as far as reception allowed; The play-making ability and fundamentals of a player and the coach putting the player in the right spot to succeed has everything to do with his performance.

Hall is by far the best corner on the team.

I'd rather have a guy at CB who will most likely prevent the catch from being made versus a guy who will give up a catch and then some most of the time, but tackles well.

Hall is the former, 'Los is the latter.

The Redskins could sack the quarterback 200 times next year and Charlos Rogers will still have ZERO picks.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's The Plan:

Wishing, hoping, praying ...

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 8, 2010 2:57 PM

The secret to my retirement "savings".

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Carlos is the number 1 cover corner no question about it.

Unless Tryon is making great improvement we need another quality CB.

And a free-safety.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Takes off plays. Half-asses tackles. Leads the team in receptions by the other team's #2 WR. Not the best corner on the team.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Then who is? Please enlighten me with your vast knowledge of the game of football.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

reached a new low, when arguing who the worst corner on the team is....

I'm voting Barry Wilburn, or Raphel Cherry....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Either T.I. is a snitch, or his lawyer is Jesus H. Christ.

Posted by: 4thFloor

Man, 4th dude. You can point to a lot of people who get short jail sentences although the charges seemed very damning.

There is only one rapper I'm convinced is a snitch.

Snoop Dogg.

How many times has he had a run-in with the law? A bunch...

How many days has he done? ZERO!

Snoop Dogg is a rat.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

By the numbers, the Skins' best corner is actually Carlos Rogers (52th), followed by Tryon (65), ex-Fred Smoot (70), and then Hall (76). Two interceptions does not a best corner make.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Posted by: dcsween

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That's an interesting website, but I don't really follow their logic for overall rankings.

Deangelo Hall's "QB rating" (as in the rating opposing QBs acquired when throwing into his coverage) was 54.2. This, generally speaking, accounts for TDs given up, INTs made, percentage of completions, yards allowed, etc. Essentially, this is the main metric for how well the guy played in coverage.

That 54.2 opposing QB rating was good for 7th best among all cornerbacks in the entire league.

I know he played poorly in run support (and I do like that they took that into account), but DHall was almost pristine in coverage. Hard to imagine he was so bad as to drop him from 7th best in the league in coverage to 76th best in the league overall, simply because of his run support.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If Carlos didn't have hands of stone, everyone would love him.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have a guy at CB who will most likely prevent the catch from being made versus a guy who will give up a catch and then some most of the time, but tackles well.

Hall is the former, 'Los is the latter.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:03 PM

Rogers is better at preventing the catch, as well as lower yards after catch, than Hall. Rogers just can't hold onto anything that touches his hands. If he could, he might be a good wide receiver, but he can't, so he's a corner.

Don't get me wrong, Rogers is a d!ck, esp. lately about his contract, but the pumping of Hall up here is a house of cards built of cotton candy and fart dust. The guy has a huge contract, detrimental-to-the-teamed himself out of Atlanta, and "not sure if he wanted to play football"ed himself out of Oakland. He was Michael Vick's equal in maturity level ... before Vick did the time to think about what it means to f-up ... and before Hall got shown the The Owner's money for getting canned in Oakland.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

reached a new low, when arguing who the worst corner on the team is....

I'm voting Barry Wilburn, or Raphel Cherry....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Agreed, because the answer is completely obvious.

Carlos Rogers sucks, has sucked, and always will suck. If he tackles so well maybe they should stick at SS. Because tackling is the only thing he does right -- when he's not staring into the backfield after he bit on a double move.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is better at preventing the catch

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....

good one...how does he do this again?? mental telepathy, or is the WR so open that they can't believe it and have a brain fart....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I wish Carlos Rogers liked what he sees of the Redskins rebuilding plan.

But clearly he doesn't, he's ready for a single-move out of DC.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hall got shown the The Owner's money for getting canned in Oakland.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:10 PM

Hall got the owner's money not for getting canned but because when he came in here he played great. He can do it, but he sure didn't do it last year. Maybe with the new coaching staff....

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

WTF is fart dust?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I know he played poorly in run support (and I do like that they took that into account), but DHall was almost pristine in coverage.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 3:08 PM

This is the reason why Darren Sharper plays free safety instead of corner.

Also, given his attitude (not good) and what I STILL say is his high value as a cover corner, I think Skins should find a player-for-player trade partner so Rogers can go find love ... and Skins can get a replacement starter somewhere on the roster (I'm thinking linebacker).

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

pft.com is reporting that the rams have agreed to terms with DT Fred Robbins..looks like they could go with bradford. thoughts?

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse


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they should. they needa qb more than we do.

It would save us a few unhappy campers and seriously, how many top 10 pick linemen do they need to draft before realizing linemen don't score points?

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Lito is not a good corner, he will not be an upgrade over with Hall or Rogers. Sween...nice work with the stats on our Corners. Carlos is cleraly the better COVER guy. His hands suck, but he actually prevents wrs from watching balls. Hall, on the other hand, does not stop wrs from catching the ball, but occassionally when the ball isn't caught by the WR might come down with it.

Anyone protecting Hall did not watch his performance throughout the year. 5 picks in a season does not make a corner good. While the ability to create turnovers is huge, it is just as important to stop the opposing wrs from catching balls as well and Hall just does not do that consistently enough. Too often his man beats him on 3rd down. Too often he jumps a route and misses leaving is man wide open. AND WAY TO OFTEN DOES HE WIFF ON TACKLES OR SIMPLY NOT COME UP AND TRY TO TACKLE opposing players giving up 5-10-15-50 more yards.

The man has all the potential in the world. He one of the best athletes on our team, but his work ethic just is not there. I read an article about how he would box after practice last year, how he stayed after to work on his game... well if thats the case he really needs to learn how to work properly because it did not work for him. He was awful most of the time last year and with his potential, if he really worked that hard, he should be a top corner...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

WTF is fart dust?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 3:13 PM

I couldn't think of another word for smoke. If you wipe well and still get skids, it has to mean that farts contain dust ... at least, theoretically.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If Carlos didn't have hands of stone, everyone would love him.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:08 PM

A little stickum would make him a game-changer. Heck, I'd forget about him biting too often on double-moves if he compensated with better hands.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

By the numbers, the Skins' best corner is actually Carlos Rogers (52th), followed by Tryon (65), ex-Fred Smoot (70), and then Hall (76). Two interceptions does not a best corner make.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Posted by: dcsween

How many of you disagree with this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Carlos is the number 1 cover corner no question about it.

Posted by: _Stumped_


When you're nicknamed for a move that receivers make to gain separation from the defender, you're not good in coverage. I don't see how anyone can say that Rogers is a good corner. Carlos has the opportunity to defend passes because out of who's catching the pick between Hall and 'Los, you already know what your answer is.

When it comes to coverage given both of their transgressions or deficiencies, they're even when it comes to cover skills.

Neither Hall nor Rogers are great corners, or great guys for that matter. But I'd take the guy who is a threat to take the ball away vs. the guy who will allow the catch, or catch and TD, but can tackle very well.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I want to make a point about Rogers in pass coverage. Somebody pick a week when they recall that Hall had a good game. We can pull up the nfl.com play-by-play just to compare the plays where it says "Pass to X receiver incomplete (C. Rogers)" to what it ends "(D. Hall)."

Rogers' inability to catch, combined with his quitting after getting burned by Brandon Marshall for a TD, are creating a blind spot in peeps' heads about how otherwise reliable the guy is and why he's the guy they put on the #1 receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

5 picks in a season does not make a corner good.

So if 5 in a season makes someone not good, what does 6 overall in 5 seasons make??

dc, stop...just stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall likes what he sees... are you kidding? Who cares?

Posted by: atidwell | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It would save us a few unhappy campers and seriously, how many top 10 pick linemen do they need to draft before realizing linemen don't score points?

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

They are actually doing it right. They got their stud left tackle last year and now they can get their franchise QB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

With Shanny in town, does anybody else see the "Portis for Bailey" 2.0 trade happening!?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Is it really snitching when the accuser knows the accused is involved in illegal activity?

the accuser just needs the evidence.

Just get rid of the govt. Survival of the fittest says baby darwin

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

it is too bad too... because carlos was a solid corner before the entire fan base and organization turned on him for his terrible terrible terrible hands... When he is motivated and happy he is an awesome COVER corner. Shuts down wrs and while does not come up with the big pick, actually stops teams from moving down the field.

I do not think Carlos will be a good corner for us again, he really does not like it here and is pretty pissed off about how the past regime handled him. If we could turn him into a 2nd round pick somehow... that would be fantastic, but either way, losing his talent will hurt this team. HIs ability to play CORNERBACK, as opposed to the ballhawk that Hall is, was greatly undervalued on this team, as fans do not understand that while picks are great and does make a HUGE difference, they only happen 5-10 times a year... actually stopping a wr from catching the ball most of the time happens every play.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Rogers' inability to catch, combined with his quitting after getting burned by Brandon Marshall for a TD, are creating a blind spot in peeps' heads about how otherwise reliable the guy is and why he's the guy they put on the #1 receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse "

Except, of course, when he's being benched.

Posted by: closer44 | March 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

And every CB at some point(s) in their career has fallen for the double move but it's really concerning for Rogers because:


* He's been in the league going on five years and he still falls for it EVERYTIME like a rookie corner.

* His infamous explanation of why he was beat for a TD. I'm sure that's been well covered here...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

When you're nicknamed for a move that receivers make to gain separation from the defender, you're not good in coverage.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM

He brought that nickname on himself in an interview where he said you can't stop a double move. Every corner in the league gets burned on a double move every once in a while ... that's why its a competition between receivers and corners. Listen to the replay next time a QB hits a receiver for a long gain where the analyst refers to the "little double move" the receiver puts on the corner.

Greg ... whether its 2 or 5 or whatever ... two is what someone said up here and I was just responding.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

...a house of cards built of cotton candy and fart dust.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:10 PM
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Next time someone asks, "what's a meta for?", this.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone protecting Hall did not watch his performance throughout the year."

I watched his performance, and it was backed up by the stats on the website that sween posted.

Hall only allowed 56% completion against him, gave up 401 yards at 11.1 yards per catch, allowed 1 TD, and had 4 INTs.

Rogers allowed 62.4% completion, 537 yards at 14.1 yards per catch, allowed 4 TDs, and had 0 INTs.

It's nearly indisputable which one was the better cover corner.

And it wasn't the guy you're saying it is.

The only argument you can possibly throw at this would be if Rogers was consistently covering the other team's #1 wideout (which didn't really happen) or if Hall was the primary beneficiary of safety help while Rogers was left on an island. That latter may be closer to the truth, but the coverage metrics clearly show that Hall was more successful in coverage. By a mile.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

How'd you do that Bean? You posted something at 1:58 that Florio didn't post until 2:04. I used to think that you made this stuff up. Now I think you're a seer without peer.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse
I think Bean has a source at NSA, and he's able to pick these articles out of the ethernet, before they actually show up on our screens. Mocern science is truly amazing.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If I were an opposing QB, I'd throw at Carlos until I got out to about the 45, cause I know Carlos won't pick it and run it back for a touchdown.

After that I'd throw at Hall.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Carlos will be a good corner for us again, he really does not like it here and is pretty pissed off ...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 3:25 PM

I agree and that's why we should trade for a starter at a position of need (Skins have a fair number of those). I'm not trying to pimp Rogers here ... I'm just trying to toggle the buttlust up here for Deangelo Hall. I'm not saying that Hall sucks either. What I'm saying is that he needs to grow up and get his head straight if he's got any chance of taking his game to the next level (same thing with Landry).

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17,

i think Barron is their starting LT. they shoulda taken Matt Ryan when they had the chance(of course that's hindsight)

now they will take the risk on Bradford and his shoulder. if Bradford ain't the answer, then they'll just be another terrible team with decent, if not great, linemen.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the love-fest for Rogers today....I mean, mind boggling doesn't scratch the surface of this one......great, you have stats that prove that you think Carlos is a great player...I have FILM that shows OTHERWISE....years of it in fact...

Lets do "the redskins screwed rock cartwright over" next.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

How many of you disagree with this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:20 PM

**Hand Raised**

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

But in all fairness to both Hall and Rogers, they didn't exactly have top notch help from the safety position on those deep routes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

psps23, facts, analysis, and logic have no place up here, especially when based on the website link that I posted to create the perception of credibility about what I was trying to say ...

Back to my (revised) central point: any other ideas about the skids notwithstanding good wiping?

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Unless Tryon is making great improvement we need another quality CB."

Agreed.

Smoot is gone and it's time for K Barnes to step up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

While the ability to create turnovers is huge, it is just as important to stop the opposing wrs from catching balls as well and Hall just does not do that consistently enough. Too often his man beats him on 3rd down. Too often he jumps a route and misses leaving is man wide open. AND WAY TO OFTEN DOES HE WIFF ON TACKLES OR SIMPLY NOT COME UP AND TRY TO TACKLE opposing players giving up 5-10-15-50 more yards.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1


All that stuff you named is EXACTLY what Rogers does except that Rogers is a better tackler than Hall. That's it.


Rogers had 12 passes defended last year. Hall had 9.

You want to talk about getting beat? Sheeeiiiit, Carlos Rogers is re-writing the books on getting beat for TDs. The man is "Double Move" Rogers.

Yeah you want your CB to be physical, but I think it's more important to have play-making ability with a CB.

Haslett was talking about how he wants to create more pressure on the QB to hopefully create turnovers. Well, how the hell does that help when one of your CB let's his man run pass on an "out and up" route, or when he can't even catch the ball a QB had to loft up in desperation?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

**Hand Raised**

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 3:31 PM

4th Floor is wrong. Hands down.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Cornerbacks typically take time to develop.

W/o even checking, I'm sure the average age of top corners in this league is above 25.

Top Corners play strong into their 30's.

I seriously doubt we pick up a corner this year.

i expect Hall and Rogers will be our starters with Tryon and Barnes, whoever wins the nickle, pushing to be the #2 while fighting for the #3 spot.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

i think Barron is their starting LT. they shoulda taken Matt Ryan when they had the chance(of course that's hindsight)

now they will take the risk on Bradford and his shoulder. if Bradford ain't the answer, then they'll just be another terrible team with decent, if not great, linemen.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

They drafted Jason Smith last year and let him sit the bench and play right tackle. They'll move him over to left tackle and Barron will go back to right tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

PKing made a good point in his MMQB column this morning, regarding why some team hasn't signed Atogwe to a deal that the Rams couldn't match. Is it true there'd be no compensation due the Rams if this happened??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

* His infamous explanation of why he was beat for a TD. I'm sure that's been well covered here...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:25 PM


Are you referring to the 'Double Move' Comment?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

But in all fairness to both Hall and Rogers, they didn't exactly have top notch help from the safety position on those deep routes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:33 PM

...nor help from the D-line so the opposing QB might actually be forced to get rid of the ball before he actually wanted to.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

5 picks in a season does not make a corner good.

So if 5 in a season makes someone not good, what does 6 overall in 5 seasons make??

dc, stop...just stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If CR22 racked up 5 picks in a season he would be considered a great CB that season, he hasnt though. Thats his career number.
If DH had a semblance of coverage ability or tackling ability he would be considered a good CB. Meld the two Deangelo Rogers, possibly great possibly terrible CB, certainly an A-hole.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

psps23, facts, analysis, and logic have no place up here, especially when based on the website link that I posted to create the perception of credibility about what I was trying to say ...

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a house of cards built of cotton candy and fart dust maybe?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The D that we've been playing for years doesn't help their stats either.

(Still, I'd put a happy Rogers above a happy Hall on my list of corners. And I would be looking for a way to trade Rogers, if at all possible.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Unless Tryon is making great improvement we need another quality CB."

Agreed.

Smoot is gone and it's time for K Barnes to step up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM

As mental and emotional preparation, I have returned to my preferred delusion that Justin Tryon will, in fact, become the second coming of Darrell Green. [Seriously, when he locked on his man, he was solid ... his problem was getting fooled at game speed and getting caught out of position ... game speed supposably slows down in the second season ... he was a rookie last year, right?]

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"I seriously doubt we pick up a corner this year."

I say this under the condition that Carlos remains a 'Skin for the upcoming season.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

...nor help from the D-line so the opposing QB might actually be forced to get rid of the ball before he actually wanted to.


Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

No help from the scheme either. It's difficult for Hall to get burnt when he's just hiding in a zone waiting for a bad pass. Rogers is busy trying to cover Desean Jackson. The same Desean Jackson that burnt just about every other DB in the league last year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

certainly an A-hole.

AGREED!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"I don't get the love-fest for Rogers today....I mean, mind boggling doesn't scratch the surface of this one......"

About as mind-boggling as the indescribable reasons Bruce Allen tendered Rogers with a 1st round pick.

Carlos Rogers is good corner who can hit and cover, but is prone to get beaten for a big play from time to time and can't catch an underhand slow-pitch softball.

Deangelo Hall is a great cover corner who tackles worse than Shaun Suisham.

Both are major reasons why we had, for the 3rd season in a row, a top 10 pass defense despite major inconsistencies from the safety position, and the utter inability to sustain anything on offense for a majority of the season.

I know it's crazy, but no team is going to have 2 starting corners that go the entire season allowing 0 TDs, less than 100 yards, 5% completion, and compile 10 INTs apiece.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Y'all otta lay off Carlos. The poor guy was born with a rare birth defect--no fingers on either hand.

Posted by: closer44 | March 8, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

we all know the packers are the best and will take home the super bowl ring for the next 10 years. the cowboys suck still.

Posted by: jrenn2114 | March 8, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

PKing made a good point in his MMQB column this morning, regarding why some team hasn't signed Atogwe to a deal that the Rams couldn't match. Is it true there'd be no compensation due the Rams if this happened??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM

Atogwe had some really high interception years early on, he was tendered really high when he was RFA (which meant an automatically higher salary), then frachise tagged twice ... which really really jacked up his salary. He hurt something (hip? knee? ankle?) last season and went onto IR. I have to think the Rams just don't think they can afford another bump up in salary, at least not without another team making an offer lower than what he would get with any other level of tender offer ... meaning maybe that they suspect some other team will make an offer lower than what he's currently getting, which they could meet or beat ... unless they know something about his injury that no one else knows. Maybe they think they just have only a certain amount of money that they can spend in their secondary.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

4th, yeah, of course.

I mean there is video of him and Landry. Looks like Landry was explaining to Carlos what happened and they both made a gesture to suggest they were talking about the double move. Then you see them both shrugging their shoulders as if to say: "There was nothing I could do about it"

He makes the double move for his excuse EVERY TIME he get baked for six. I'm saying, if that's baiting then wouldn't CBs fall for it each and every time?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

But in all fairness to both Hall and Rogers, they didn't exactly have top notch help from the safety position on those deep routes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:33 PM

...nor help from the D-line so the opposing QB might actually be forced to get rid of the ball before he actually wanted to.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 3:37 PM

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I totally agree. Cornerbacks can realistically only cover a WR for what 2-3 seconds? In addition, if a WR get's one step on the defender, he is open by NFL standards.

Cornerbacks are more dependent on their front seven and FS, rather than vice versa.

Posted by: Vicc | March 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

red, I know the exact piece of film of which you speak....haha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I know it's crazy, but no team is going to have 2 starting corners that go the entire season allowing 0 TDs, less than 100 yards, 5% completion, and compile 10 INTs apiece.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 3:40 PM

Even though he had a bad year as the #1 CB in San Diego, I think the Jets are going to be tough at corner with Revis and Cromartie both.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually fine with the CBs we have right now. They're like #8 on the issue list. I don't think it's something that needs addressed this year. I'd rather move dirty thirty back to the line and see what Kareem Moore has then concentrate effort on the front 7.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

any other ideas about the skids notwithstanding good wiping?

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:34 PM

1. Pants were stained when you put them on.

2. Good wiping isn't all it's cracked up to be. Needa a good bidet, Pierre.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually fine with the CBs we have right now. They're like #8 on the issue list. I don't think it's something that needs addressed this year. I'd rather move dirty thirty back to the line and see what Kareem Moore has then concentrate effort on the front 7.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Agree

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

**Hand Raised**

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 3:31 PM

4th Floor is wrong. Hands down.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM

You know I'm 'in da tank on this question....But once his plays changes for the worse...I'l recall my status...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Forgot all about Barnes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

red, I know the exact piece of film of which you speak....haha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Do you have a link queued up for us?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

For the amount of times Rogers was thrown on it's absolutely inexcusable for him to go through a season and have ZERO INTs.

Inexcusable.

Let him put on 25-30 pounds and let him play OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Again, I don't think he said anything wrong. Those guys while were overall good teammates and at times key contributors, the fact is that their course has completed in D.C. and it was time for them to go.

Posted by: RedDMV

I don't care if Saint Joe, Sonny, Larry Brown C. Taylor, D. Greene, J Riggins or one of the hogs said it, it is classless and demeaning and shows a lack of leadership to refer to all your recently cut teammates as "dead weight.".

Not only that, it's potentially pre-mature. It is NOT unheard of for a team to cut a played due big money and then re-sign him at a lower rate. Hall may find himself playing with one of his Dead Weight compadres.

I don't hate Hall. I think he is overpaid--contract courtesy of dead weight Vinny Cerrato--and his gaudy Int. stats are largely due to great hands and the fact he plays off the receiver and gets a lot of deflections to intercept.

He's a mediocre tackler, too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they think they just have only a certain amount of money that they can spend in their secondary.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 3:45 PM

This sucks. It sounds too much like the New Redskins. Next thing you know, beer and parking prices are going down in line with the reduced payroll. Maybe not. I think all the players' money's going to be paid to coaches.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Its weird, ESPN has a post about Larry Foote deciding between us and Arizona and it hasn't been re-posted here yet.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, it was from the FOX telecast when they played the Saints.

That game Landry was biting the cheese.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

why red, so the other teams tight end can have a career day on us, running the double move?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned with opposing defensive ends giving our OL double moves. I believe that is the real issue with this team.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

But in all fairness to both Hall and Rogers, they didn't exactly have top notch help from the safety position on those deep routes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 3:33 PM

...nor help from the D-line so the opposing QB might actually be forced to get rid of the ball before he actually wanted to.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2010 3:37 PM

And let's not forget an offense that just couldn't find ways to stay on the field. When you can't grind any time off of the clock, either by consistent running for yardage or a threatening passing game, you're just setting up your defense to eventually fail. Even something that's 90% foolproof is going to fail at least once when you're giving your opponent 10 or 20 tries....

Posted by: Anonynonandon | March 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'm actually fine with the CBs we have right now."


I'm not.

It's a passing league.

12 teams threw for over 4,000 yards last year meaning you need 3 solid corners, and one designated 'lockdown' guy--especially if you're contemplating changing your defensive scheme.

Barnes added to Rodgers, Hall, and Tyron is four guys, but no true stand out corner that's feared in some way.

Barnes might or might not become that guy, and if Rodgers' has some of the issues we saw last year, well, we'll rue not having another corner-type to go to.

I'd still bring in some low round, undrafted types plus undrafted types just to keep things flowin'.

And given that Allen has the entire off season as a Free Agency period, I'd expect him to bring in the occasional released vet corner.

In a passing league, you need a lot of receivers and corners: it's just the way it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Its weird, ESPN has a post about Larry Foote deciding between us and Arizona and it hasn't been re-posted here yet.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM

Washington Post has higher journalistic standards. They require TWO sources. Once it goes up on PFT they'll rewrite and post it here.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

red, I know the exact piece of film of which you speak....haha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Do you have a link queued up for us?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 3:55 PM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hq-videos/09000d5d816ce673/redandbeanthrowstuffattelevision.asp

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, it was from the FOX telecast when they played the Saints.

That game Landry was biting the cheese.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, now I remember - I saw that gem courtesy of the NFL Red Zone - the best invention of the new century

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Let him put on 25-30 pounds and let him play OLB in the 3-4."

I never understood why they didn't experiment with him at FS. It's much harder to make a play on the ball when your eyes are locked on the WR, but as a safety you have the advantage of following the QB for most of the play. It won't magically turn him into Ed Reed, but I feel like his hands have to improve when he's seeing the ball all the way rather than having a mere split-second to react.

Posted by: psps23 | March 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually fine with the CBs we have right now. They're like #8 on the issue list. I don't think it's something that needs addressed this year. I'd rather move dirty thirty back to the line and see what Kareem Moore has then concentrate effort on the front 7.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM
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Agreed. Number one fix for the secondary? Get Laron back to SS and put someone at FS who knows how to play the position.

I've been a big advocate of drafting Okung at number 4, but what if the first three players picked are 1) Bradford, 2) Okung (I'd consider that a good move by Detroit), and 3) Suh.

This leaves us with Gerald McCoy, Clausen, or Eric Berry as our choice, assuming we can't trade back. I wouldn't cry if we picked Berry and made him our FS.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Second what psps23 said about DHall except that DHall was in for 100 fewer snaps than Rodgers and had more balls thrown at him, more stops, with fewer passes against him completed for less yards while giving up fewer YAC and fewer TDs. Other than that, Rodgers was clearly significantly better.

There are lies, darn lies and statistics...For what it is worth, one of the initial flaws I see with that site is that it weights the components of the overall rating equally. For instance, I don't think that your penalty rating should count anywhere near as much as your coverage rating.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

He's a mediocre tackler, too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

This is being far to generous to DH. He is easily one of the worst tackler in the league without exception.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Barnes added to Rodgers, Hall, and Tyron is four guys, but no true stand out corner that's feared in some way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 4:01 PM

Tryon will be feared. So far in offseason workouts, he has grown 3 inches taller and added 40 pounds. He's the next Leigh Torrence (or Mark McGwire).

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I am at a loss for words hearing any call Dhall a "great cover corner." I do not understand how that is possible. He does not get up in the face of wrs, he is beat on the slant every time 5 or less yards are needed. He is typically 2 yards behind the wr when the ball is thrown, and then its either caught or dropped by the wr... typically with no influence whatsoever from hall himself. Most of his picks come from tipped balls, underthrown balls, or balls that are so inaccurate that him being waaaayyyy out of position helped. I mean really, I remember when pick, he was clearly in a zone, the ball was wayyyyy underthrown and it just went straight to him. Easiest pick ever, nothing he did right, and yet that adds to his value on this blog. You people are so into picks and the number of picks make a good corner. Rogers was beat on a number of double moves, but so was hall, Landry like it was his job, and every other corner in the league.

Rogers actually plays the run, gets in wrs face and breaks up passes. Neither are "great" or sadly even "good" but I would take a content, and respected rogers (which he hasn't been in almost a year and a half) over a Dhal anyday of the week.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I put "dead weight" right up there with all other racial slurs known to man...

For his use of "dead weight", more specifically the context in which it was used, I say DeAngelo should be cut immediately and suspended for life from the NFL.

Calling ex-teammates "dead weight" SHOULD NOT and WILL NOT be tolerated in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

pas, for all the arguements you make against hall, there is EXPONENTIALLY more evidence stacked against rogers...

Rogers not being, 'respected' is all on Rogers back, and not one other person...if lets say he were to intercept passes, or learn to cover moves that have 2 levels to them, he'd have gotten paid....but in 5 years, he's made ZERO progress, and has only regressed....

so please shut up with your ball washing of CR...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Eitherway, while I agree our corners are probably 5th or lower on our list of needs, it is something we will have to address before we can became a top team in this league.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, I couldn't find that ... is that one of those ESPN Insider feeds? There's plenty to like about the idea of Larry Foote, not the least of which is having a guy in the lockerroom with a Super Bowl ring.

[Still kills me how Mark Brunell, Pierson Prioleau, and ... wait for it ... Leigh Torrence all got the jewelry now.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Calling ex-teammates "dead weight" SHOULD NOT and WILL NOT be tolerated in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 4:09 PM |

These players are getting out of control. Next thing you know they will be suing former teammates.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"This leaves us with Gerald McCoy, Clausen, or Eric Berry as our choice, assuming we can't trade back. I wouldn't cry if we picked Berry and made him our FS."

Given the team's desire to change it's front, I'd take Suh or McCoy.

Berry is great, but another safety?

C'mon.

Spiller would be nice as CP needs a replacement like I need to work.

Which is why I'm out for the day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM


The only option St.Louis would have if someone made an offer to Atogwe is the right of first refusal. He had an injury that put him on IR but it happened in December and he probably could have played through it. The Rams know they have lots of holes and probably dont want another 5-7 million tied up in a safety. If the skins are not convinced that Kareem Moore can be the man at FS they should definitely make an offer to Atogwe.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Fast Willie beeps

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with what psps says; “Carlos Rogers is good corner who can hit and cover, but is prone to get beaten for a big play from time to time and can't catch an underhand slow-pitch softball”.

Hopefully a lot of the secondary’s problems the past few years were a result of Blache’s system and strategy. He really seemed to rely on zones/heavy cushions, and played to bend but not break. He sure as heck didn’t blitz as much as Williams did. Haslett seems like a pretty aggressive type. Hopefully he will put the corners in better positions to succeed.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Calling ex-teammates "dead weight" SHOULD NOT and WILL NOT be tolerated in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 4:09 PM |

Marcus Mason's gonna run all over D. Hall. Hall won't know what hit him. And he sure doesn't know when it's gonna hit him.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If you get beat on a slant pattern chances are 1) you didn't play the WR physical enough, or 2) you're giving the WR a cushion. Or maybe you're doing both (which was the case last year).

stupid1, go back and look at some games. There were numerous games where the guys calling the game couldn't understand why the DBs were giving five yard cushions on 3rd and 2.

Before you go and point the finger at Hall for giving up a lot of slants, you should know and understand what Greg Blache's defensive strategy was....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Can we get a new post here? This is a blog and we've had nothing new since what like 11:30? Come on RI this is pathetic, during the busiest time in the Redskins Season (since we all know the offseason is where we, as redskins, really shine haha...) can we please get some updates on somthing other than how Dhall feels about Shanny and BA? Kinda pathetic actually.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The first time I really started paying attention to Deangelo Hall was after this ... and wondering what the [fart dust] he must have said or done to get this kind of response from RI's most beloved of NFL personality, T.O.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFjZJ7NBWs&feature=fvw

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

How much of a reach is Bruce Campbell? The guy is a pretty decent prospect especially for a ZBS and he had a monster combine. I see a lot of places have him going #8 to the Raiders. Is he only ranked high because Al Davis is crazy or his ranked high because he's that good?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

beep beep means new thread

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm scared sh**less that Hall is gonna struggle as he's required to further emphasize sound tackling in switching to a 3-4 scheme. I remember Smoot in Minnesota getting run over consistently as he was asked to play closer to the line when they switched to a 3-4. Anyone forget about Jake Delhomme run yet???

Posted by: redrider21 | March 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I mean really, I remember when pick, he was clearly in a zone, the ball was wayyyyy underthrown and it just went straight to him. Easiest pick ever, nothing he did right, and yet that adds to his value on this blog.
Posted by: peoplearestupid1

Easiset pick ever...unless your last name is Rodgers. What he did right was catch the ball as well as be in position to catch the ball. Yeah it does add to his value. Last year at this time, what we all were talking about was our inability to create turnovers. If you recall, we got a grand total of 6 ints in 2008 which ranked us dead last in the league with Hall making 2 of them (in less than half a season). He had 4 this past year (of 11 total). He is the only one on the team that can consistently make ints. Over the last 5 years, CR has a total of 6 ints. DHall AVERAGES about 5 per year over the last 5 years. This is certainly not the ONLY thing that matters when it comes to CB but it certainly matters.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Calling former teammates dead weight = real a-hole move by D. Hall. He gets no props for that.

Posted by: walkdwalk | March 8, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Hall likes what the Redskins are doing... I wish he also liked to hit the opposing team. This guy can hang around the pile fall down late and when the play is in progress run sideline to sideline to avoid a hit. 2 of his first three interceptions were because he was beat and out of position.

He needs to go in the worst way.

Posted by: macpaint | March 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Teach him well Darrell Green and Deion Sanders..........

Posted by: dc4life | March 9, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Too bad you weren't released with the rest of the "dead weight" big mouth! Why don't you actually justify your salary this year and make plays more than every 5 or 6 games. And if I were you, I'd spend less time with your fellow big mouth, Deion, and spend a little more time with the class act and Redskin legend, Darrell Green. You're a jerk Hall! Shut UP and play! You are so average it's sickening!!

Posted by: sjakemuzik | March 9, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying crap what DeAngela Hall thinks?? He is part of the problem. "Dead Weight"? Gimme a break.

Posted by: KNNTHMORRIS | March 9, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying crap what DeAngela Hall thinks?? He is part of the problem. "Dead Weight"? Gimme a break.

Posted by: KNNTHMORRIS | March 9, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall Could't cover his shadow! he's part of the problem and well overrated! CUT HIS SORRY AZZ!

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 9, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall SUXXXX!

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 9, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Emmitt Smith is a dam Cowboy it does not surprise me by his ignorant comment about Snyder, why the hecht would he be targeting Snyder? Emmitt get a life go back to dancing lessons. I guess your still upset when the Skins beat that a#@ in your Ring of Shame ceremony,LMFAO


Emmit Smith was average at best according to NFL standards for RB's .....
NFL all time leading rusher, consecutive rushing titles,touch down, Pro-Bowl and 3 Super Bowl ring's Oops forgot to mention first ballot HOF! DS only way to Ohio will be if he buys a ticket or buys Canton like he's tried to do everything else!

Maybe when a DS owned NFL team achieves somethig above a play-off visit or being the laughing stock of the nfl again ( BTW.. U finished 4 and 12 and didnt win a game in our own division ) will somemone take him seriously!


Posted by: rlomax67 | March 9, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Mislabeled post Jason - should be "M Hall", as in MEEEEEEeeeeeAngelo. Hope he listens to the great one (and I don't mean MEEEEon) in the off-season.

Sadly, I'm stuck in Atlanta - and agonized as fans suffered through both.

History forgiven, he spoke well - we'll see when it comes time to do REAL work.

Posted by: fr3dmars | March 9, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

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