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Foote expected to visit Ashburn

Detroit linebacker Larry Foote is expected to visit with the Redskins Monday in Ashburn, a league source confirmed.

Foote was originally drafted in the fourth round of the 2002 NFL Draft. He played in Pittsburgh under Lou Spanos, the Redskins' new linebacker coach.

A former all-American from Michigan, Foote started 14 games for the Lions last season and was credited with 99 tackles, including 70 unassisted. The Lions have run a base 4-3 defense under Coach Jim Schwartz, but Foote played in a 3-4 with the Steelers.

By Rick Maese  |  March 5, 2010; 8:36 PM ET
Categories:  Free agency  | Tags: 3-4 defense, Larry Foote, free agency  
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Ok...this is good!

BUT sign SOMEBODY!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

People forgetting to beep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The thing that I actually like about the quiet free agency is that it is a very weak FA class. Out of the 200 RFA that didn't hit the market this year because of the lack of a new CBA, most of those players will become UFA next year. That is when I would expect Shanny and company to start to make a splash into things. Out of all the players available in this class, the youngest out there are 28..... Next year, you will see that 28 will start to become more of the second tier free agents. Most of the people around the league are tipping their hats to shanny and co. because it is a weak FA class and say that it'll pay off by saving the money that you would spend on a weak class for a much better class next year

Posted by: PanteraCFH | March 5, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact of Larry Foote coming to town on monday and I hope that shanny and the boys can work out a deal with Pashos. Having a starting LT come in would really help to shape up the draft. If the Rams take Sammy Bradford with the first overall pick, I think you have to take Okung with the 4th pick, leaving the 2nd round pick to take someone like Colt McCoy or LeFevor, maybe even Clausen if he slips. If Bradford is there with the 4th pick, I think you take him and pick up your starting RT in the 2nd round, hoping that he can develope into the starting LT in a few years. Even if you take OKUNG, you can start him at RT and move him to the LT in a few years, look at what the Rams did with Jason Smith this year.

Posted by: PanteraCFH | March 5, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact of Larry Foote coming to town on monday and I hope that shanny and the boys can work out a deal with Pashos. Having a starting LT come in would really help to shape up the draft. If the Rams take Sammy Bradford with the first overall pick, I think you have to take Okung with the 4th pick, leaving the 2nd round pick to take someone like Colt McCoy or LeFevor, maybe even Clausen if he slips. If Bradford is there with the 4th pick, I think you take him and pick up your starting RT in the 2nd round, hoping that he can develope into the starting LT in a few years. Even if you take OKUNG, you can start him at RT and move him to the LT in a few years, look at what the Rams did with Jason Smith this year.

Posted by: PanteraCFH | March 5, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

They are going to use the draft. The signs all point in that direction, in case you haven't been watching. Every guy becomes potential trade bait for picks in the uncapped year. The more picks the more slots that get filled. This year and next year. I believe its going the LT with the 1st pick. Unless they somehow managed to get a 2nd 1st rounder through trades you aren't going to see Bradford in Washington ... and even then ... they have other needs that are greater. JC isn't Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

WE CAN NEVER MOVE FORWARD AS LONG AS PORTbelly IS LEFT BEHIND! I HAVE LONG SAID WE WILL NEVER WIN WITH EITHER VINNY OR PORTIS.. ONE DOWN ONE TO GO!

HE WAS A HUGE PART OF OUR PROBLEM.. SACRIFICE THE DAMN MONEY.. JUST LIKE CAROLINA DID.. IN OUT CASE TEAM PLAYERS ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY!!!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Will Witherspoon come in for a look as well. Also I'm hoping the Skins explore pursuing Kirk Morrison a RFA and look to trade a pick next year like a 4th rounder to da Raiders.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

WE CAN NEVER MOVE FORWARD AS LONG AS PORTbelly IS LEFT BEHIND! I HAVE LONG SAID WE WILL NEVER WIN WITH EITHER VINNY OR PORTIS.. ONE DOWN ONE TO GO!

HE WAS A HUGE PART OF OUR PROBLEM.. SACRIFICE THE DAMN MONEY.. JUST LIKE CAROLINA DID.. IN OUT CASE TEAM PLAYERS ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY!!!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 8:53 PM

You should stop yelling. This is a blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Good ol' 'Portoise' is now back with the coach who made him "who he is" today. And it does seem like Danny is "less involved" but still needs convincing. Watch ... if he pulls that stunt about not practicing, not coming to the OTA's they will yank the rug out from under him with Danny's blessing.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

what about Joey Porter I know he is kind of old but he plays very well in the 3-4. Just a thought what does Redskins nation think?

Posted by: wattsicon | March 5, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

im LOVING how free agency is turning out for us this year

we didnt sign clifton which is nice...no need to overpay for a LT in his 30s

we passed on peppers and dansby who would have commanded top dollar

instead we may end up getting pashos who can be an immediate starter at RT and possibly foote who actually has experience in the 3-4 and would fit in nicely along side fletcher

HAIL to the NEWskins!!!

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see the Skins skipping the first day overspending spree. Wait for things to settle down and then get to work. Shows we might be able to alleviate any possible future cap concerns and start building through the draft. This is long term thinking but it means a few lean years. Shanny and Danny got a pass this year without the cap. It's good to see them setting us up so that it isn't as big an issue if it comes back.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Priorities in the draft (this year and probably next year):
1. Offensive Line.
2. Defensive backfield (our Pearl Harbor Crew).
3. Kicker[s].
3. Nose Tackle (although Anthony Montgomery should suffice)
4. KR/PR running back who can replace Portoise.
5. Quarterback.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth permanently moves to END from Tackle since he has the athleticism to do so.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

This draft will have a lot of underclassmen coming out early to avoid rookie capped salaries / bonuses that will undoubtedly come out of any new settlement. Now is the time to strike through the draft, as opposed to free agency.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

along with the other re-signings today, we need to resign albright and hunter smith as soon as possible as well

these two guys were the most consistent players on our team last year and wouldn't cost much either...getting younger at these two positions should not be a cause for concern

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I've mentioned before that I think teams really need to understand their top 30 -- where you expect guys to play a lot, every year, and to be around for 6 years or so. With the recent purge, here's my update.

Skins top 30, adjusted for a 3-4 defense:

OL: Rabach, Dockery + 3 tbd (Heyer, BMW, Jones)
QB: Campbell + tbd (Colt)
TE: Cooley
WR: Moss, Thomas, Kelly
RB: Portis, Ganther, Sellers

DL: Albert, Carter, Daniels, Golston, Jarmon
LB: Orakpo, Fletcher, Rocky, + 1 tbd (Wilson)
DB: Rogers, Hall, Landry, Doughty, Horton, Tryon
ST: Alexander


The guys that are most likely to be gone before 2012 due to age:
Daniels, Fletcher, Portis, Sellers, Jones and maybe Moss.

Guys that have a good chance at going elsewhere:
Campbell, Rogers, Carter

Guys that haven't proven themselves:
Ganther, BMW, Heyer, Wilson, Jarmon, Colt

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Joey Porter would be a good signing. He's a BEAST on th field and would add to the intensity on the field. He's a head case, but you need one or two of those!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

btw...i wonder what carlos rogers has to say now about the skins "not taking care of their own guys" and signing "big names to big contracts"

seems like he should have kept his mouth shut knowing this is a different regime running the team now and MAYBE things wouldn't be the same around here anymore

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Correction

OL: Rabach, Dockery + 3 tbd (Heyer, BMW, Jones)
QB: Campbell + tbd (Colt)
TE: Davis, Sellers
WR: Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley
RB: Portis, Ganther, Sellers

DL: Haynesworth, Montgomery, Carter, Daniels, Golston
LB: Orakpo, Fletcher, Rocky, Wilson, Jarmon, Alexander
DB: Rogers, Hall, Landry, Doughty, Horton, Tryon

Guys that have a good chance at going elsewhere:
Cooley, Rogers, Carter, Portoise

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Foote's a good player, more than just a good alternative for an overpriced Dansby.

Posted by: PCinOz | March 5, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 9:10 PM

I would love to see both former steelers Foote/Porter in burgandy & gold next fall. both have been effective in the 3-4 & they would be hungry to win coming from the lions & phins.

Posted by: CA420skinsFan | March 5, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

ZZ, the only one you missed is Kareem Moore, our only true FS.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad about Betts. He seems to be a stand up guy and a real contributor. The line often looked better when Betts was playing, maybe because he was familiar with the linemen. I do not know what discussions went on with CP, but I hope that he doesn't get the wrong message.

Posted by: chalkjock | March 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad about Betts. He seems to be a stand up guy and a real contributor. The line often looked better when Betts was playing, maybe because he was familiar with the linemen. I do not know what discussions went on with CP, but I hope that he doesn't get the wrong message.

Posted by: chalkjock | March 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

u can throw c. griffin in the same category...stand up guy as well

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

You should stop yelling. This is a blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The yelling was an abstract manifestation how moved I am on this topic! Forgive me, did not realize we were being monitered by the persnickety police!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

peri, won't argue much, when I do top 30, I look at the 22 starters + key reserves -- there are really only about 30 guys that play significant number of plays in a game. To me, the key reserves are nickel DB and 3rd CB, Rotation guys for DL, backup QB, 2nd RB, 3rd WR.

Which is why there aren't 6 LBs or 4 WRs. Cooley isn't going to be a WR. Its a coin flip on whether its Cooley or Davis at TE.

Monty or Jarmon on the DL, its probably a toss-up, but really I should have called that spot TBD as well.

I use this type of list as a guide when I look at the priorities for the team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Correction

OL: Rabach, Dockery + 3 tbd (Heyer, BMW, Jones, Edwin, Rhino)
QB: Campbell + tbd (Colt)
TE: Davis, Sellers
WR: Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley, Mitchell
RB: Portis, Ganther, Sellers

DL: Haynesworth, Montgomery, Carter, Daniels, Golston,Wynn
LB: Orakpo, Fletcher, Rocky, Wilson, Jarmon, Alexander, Blades
DB: Rogers, Hall, Landry, Doughty, Horton, Tryon, Moore

Guys that have a good chance at going elsewhere:
Cooley, Rogers, Carter, Portoise

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

You should stop yelling. This is a blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The yelling was an abstract manifestation how moved I am on this topic! Forgive me, did not realize we were being monitered by the persnickety police!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:25 PM |

It's just that typing in all caps is supremely annoying. And be careful, the persnickety police can be a real ornery bunch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The signs are all +. Pass on Pep and Dan who were overpriced and up in yrs. Espec Dan - not another Aub turd! GB went all Bears on Clif, an old LT the Skins were sniffing out, and gave the dud a 3 yr $20 M deal. 33 yrs old and injured last season for Crissakes although didn't say how much guaran.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskins looking at RFA Safety

IND: Safety Draws Interest
by Ed Thompson of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, March 5, 2010 at 4:59pm ET

Antoine Bethea Profile

A first-round tender makes it challenging for any restricted free agent draw interest from another NFL team, but that hasn't been the case so far for Indianapolis Colts safety Antoine Bethea.

An NFL source has told Scout.com that three NFC East clubs--the New York Giants, Washington Redskins, and the Dallas Cowboys, have been showing interest in the highly reliable and durable defender despite the tender. And two teams in the AFC East--the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets--have been mulling over the possibility of signing the two-time Pro Bowl nominee to an offer sheet.

Originally a sixth-round pick by the Colts in the 2006 NFL Draft, the former Howard University star earned a spot in Indianapolis' starting lineup during his first training camp. During his 59 regular-season starts, Bethea's shown that he's an outstanding open-field tackler with strong pass coverage skills. He's amassed 421 career tackles, 11 interceptions, 13 passes defensed, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

If any team signs Bethea to an offer sheet, the Colts will have seven days to match the offer or accept the other team's first-round pick as compensation. Otherwise, he's guaranteed a one-year deal worth $2.521 million to return to the Colts.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

ZZ,

At this point we kind of have to look at who they will try to trade for picks. The Cards did the right thing trading Boldin for picks, I'm surprised the Ravens went for it ... but they may have
a good surplus this year? Have to assume the Skins will do the same thing ... hoping that teams that miss the player[s] they really wanted might come to them ... trading down is also possible. Its what they almost have to do at this point so any depth chart other than guys like Lorenzo et al is adhoc I guess.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Will Witherspoon come in for a look as well. Also I'm hoping the Skins explore pursuing Kirk Morrison a RFA and look to trade a pick next year like a 4th rounder to da Raiders.

Posted by: TWISI

I wonder whether they're looking specifically for ILBs vs just any LBs. Maybe they're not sold on McIntosh playing inside. It can't hurt to get depth at LB anyhow. I'd like to see what price Jamal Williams from SD is asking for. He and Big Al could take up half the d-line space by themselves.

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad about Betts. He seems to be a stand up guy and a real contributor. The line often looked better when Betts was playing, maybe because he was familiar with the linemen. I do not know what discussions went on with CP, but I hope that he doesn't get the wrong message.

Posted by: chalkjock

He was the one who put in all the work while the teachers pet partied on the sidelines. I do not understand how you can cut him and keep PortJester!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

It's just that typing in all caps is supremely annoying. And be careful, the persnickety police can be a real ornery bunch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:27 PM |

Dude - most posters should put down the pipe. You should pick it up! Mellow out for Crissakes.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse


I feel bad about Betts. He seems to be a stand up guy and a real contributor. The line often looked better when Betts was playing, maybe because he was familiar with the linemen. I do not know what discussions went on with CP, but I hope that he doesn't get the wrong message.

Posted by: chalkjock | March 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

u can throw c. griffin in the same category...stand up guy as well

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 9:24 PM

very true, sadly DTs & RBs with multiple knee injuries are expendable in this cruel world.

Posted by: CA420skinsFan | March 5, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why anyone thinks Cooley has a good chance of going anywhere. This is some made up crap idea cooked up by uninformed and delusional fans. This team has in no way given any indication that they are even entertaining moving Cooley much less that it's a good chance. None, zero, nada, zippo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The yelling was an abstract manifestation how moved I am on this topic! Forgive me, did not realize we were being monitered by the persnickety police!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:25 PM |

It's just that typing in all caps is supremely annoying. And be careful, the persnickety police can be a real ornery bunch.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Oooo.. I'm all a quiver!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

POSTED BY: ED THOMPSON
AT 03/05/2010 07:33 PM ET

Redskins looking at K.C. TE
An NFL Source has told Scout.com that the Washington Redskins are showing interest in former Chiefs tight end Sean Ryan.

Since being selected by the Dallas Cowboys in the fifth-round of the 2004 NFL Draft, Ryan has played for six teams, including the Jets, Dolphins, Saints, 49ers and the Chiefs.

The veteran tight end has started 15 games and appeared in 53. He’s caught 26 passes for 240 yards and two touchdowns.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Foote would be an excellent addition to the linebacker corps.

Posted by: dashriprock | March 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even register the connection: Foote is tied to both Haslett and Slowik, who were formerly with Pittsburgh.

....And Pittsburgh was the movie production site of At First Sight with Val Kilmer, who was in Top Gun with Tom Cruise, who was in A Few Good Men with Kevin Bacon. Tada

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Dude - most posters should put down the pipe. You should pick it up! Mellow out for Crissakes.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 9:33 PM

Not sure where you've been but this is mellow. I've calmed way down lately. If you can't take a little good natured ribbing then you should kick rocks. It only gets worse.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The yelling was an abstract manifestation how moved I am on this topic! Forgive me, did not realize we were being monitered by the persnickety police!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:25 PM |

It's just that typing in all caps is supremely annoying. And be careful, the persnickety police can be a real ornery bunch.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Oooo.. I'm all a quiver!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 5, 2010 9:34 PM |

Don't take things so seriously. You're liable to turn into the old me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse


I would like to see thhe team explore Williams as an option as well. Williams is was a DC product, so he may want to end his career here.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

So, yeah, Foote is a lock. And I have no real idea about any movie ever being made in Pittsburgh (who would want to?)

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even register the connection: Foote is tied to both Haslett and Slowik, who were formerly with Pittsburgh.

....And Pittsburgh was the movie production site of At First Sight with Val Kilmer, who was in Top Gun with Tom Cruise, who was in A Few Good Men with Kevin Bacon. Tada

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:36 PM |

Nicely done.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse


I feel bad about Betts. He seems to be a stand up guy and a real contributor. The line often looked better when Betts was playing, maybe because he was familiar with the linemen. I do not know what discussions went on with CP, but I hope that he doesn't get the wrong message.

Posted by: chalkjock | March 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

u can throw c. griffin in the same category...stand up guy as well

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 9:24 PM

very true, sadly DTs & RBs with multiple knee injuries are expendable in this cruel world.

Posted by: CA420skinsFan | March 5, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:35 PM |

Y R U posting all this shti about the Skins? Checking out a TE and sniffing out Bethea's azz like they would give Ind some of their val draft picks for a How R U grad for Crissakes.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see thhe team explore Williams as an option as well. Williams is was a DC product, so he may want to end his career here.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:38 PM

What Williams are you talking about? Where did that Sean Ryan thing come from? Or is it your attempt at pulling a beaner?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even register the connection: Foote is tied to both Haslett and Slowik, who were formerly with Pittsburgh.

....And Pittsburgh was the movie production site of At First Sight with Val Kilmer, who was in Top Gun with Tom Cruise, who was in A Few Good Men with Kevin Bacon. Tada

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:36 PM |

Nicely done.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Oops, meant Spanos, not Slowik.

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Love the game of footsie with Foote...dude was reliable ball player in Pittsburgh and would be a nice, CHEAP pickup for the transition to a 3-4. Brings some leadership to the table as well.

Now THIS is the kind of veteran signing I can get behind. Much better than the overpriced, overrated Chad Clifton.

Get Foote, get Pashos.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

So, yeah, Foote is a lock. And I have no real idea about any movie ever being made in Pittsburgh (who would want to?)

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:39 PM |

Let's wait till he pens the contract before penciling him onto the roster sheet. I'm also excited about the prospect of another quality LB next to LF59 tho haha

Posted by: CA420skinsFan | March 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

You've got Davis, who is young and has the tools at tight end. He definitely starts. No doubt about it. However, given the exit of Randle El, Cooley could do what he "threatened" drop 25 and become a slot receiver. He might be very effective. But at tight end he is extra they don't really need at this point. And they do need picks ... many, many picks. Entertaining picks for Campbell might make sense for the same reason ... but I think they have a better chance of winning immediately if they keep him. I think they know that. He still may be out the door next year ... so perhaps it would be better just to get the picks now? That's a tough one but I believe they have already decided how they are going to get it done.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Get Foote, get Pashos.

Posted by: brownwood26

Indeed. They keep this measured strategy up and I'll have to rethink that total body Redskins tattoo.

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

What Williams are you talking about? Where did that Sean Ryan thing come from? Or is it your attempt at pulling a beaner?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 9:44 PM

Jamal Williams (NT) San Diego

Sean Ryan was with San Fran in 2008 (Foerster was OL coach). He played w/ KC last year. He's a blocking TE. I believe Yoder is a UFA.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


I don't think the Skins would give a high pick for Bethea, maybe Carlos (cover 2 CB)straight up or a mid to low draft pick in 2011.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The following doesnet effect football, but it does effect most of america. Why voting is soooo important and who is elected is even more important.

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Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Are ETHAN ALBRIGHT or HUNTER SMITH being looked at around the league? They weren't tendered by the REDSKINS under any scenerio I've read. Did I miss a signing, and LEVI BROWN as well?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

get Pashos.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 9:47 PM |

Check out the dude's website. It'll crack you up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9dpHsnh98o

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

YODER also. What exactly is out list of UFA's currently?

ALBRIGHT, YODER, BROWN, SMITH, ????????

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

That Bethea talk is nonsense. No way do we give up a 1 or 2 for that guy.

Sign Pashos for RT. Draft Okung LT. Draft best RB or G/C in the 2nd. Or QB if Shanny loves one of the whats left. Hopefully we will get an extra pick or 2 somehow by trading down or getting an offer on one of our restricted guys.

Down with signing Foote and/or Witherspoon at LB. I am doubting this whole LoAlexander to OLB experiment.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 5, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones, Hunter Smith, Ethan Albright are available to any team right now & haven't made any news yet. Hopefully we get them signed soon.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is out list of UFA's currently?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 10:05 PM

OT Levi Jones

P Hunter Smith

DE Renaldo Wynn

TE Todd Yoder

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Filed to ESPN: Giants reach agreement with S Antrel Rolle -- 5 year deal for $37 million, including $15 million gtd.
2 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Adam_Schefter Antrel Rolle also now the highest paid safety in NFL history.
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Reply Retweet Adam_Schefter

Ha! Giants are suckers!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

pats make vince wilfork the highest paid NT...5 yrs for 40 mill and 25 mill guaranteed

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 5, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

ESPN: "Wilfork for $40 M".

Crissakes, I'll fork for $100, espec if U R talkin' their Sage Babe.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to sound the panic alarm or anything but AIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

A BAD BAD team from last year apparently will not sign ANY impact FAs...

They've shown iffy judgement by resigning an undersized C for three years, and that's their big splash?.

Injuries/bad judgment/passage of time has robbed them of serious experience and leadership:

Samuels
Thomas
Collins
Smoot
Randle El
Cartwright
Betts
Rogers (probably)

Not that all these guys are critical losses, but who replaces them?

Team is already down a 3rd and a 6th draft pick.

Must choose between a QB and an OT with #4 overall.

A bad team has gotten worse.

Sure, Shanahan is an upgrade over Zorn, and Allen over Cerrato, but just how much an upgrade? Middle of the pack, or tippy top.

Seems to me, nothing this duo has done lately makes them top of the heap, and today didn't enhance their reps.

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Filed to ESPN: Giants reach agreement with S Antrel Rolle -- 5 year deal for $37 million, including $15 million gtd.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 10:10 PM |

Rolle rolls the Jints. Hah!

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I have not heard anything about Graham Gano. What's up with him. He seems like he could be pretty good.

Posted by: diamond_jim | March 5, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

TheCork pines for the old days. Wants to be offseason champions of the world.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

My name is Cork. I keep repeating myself about Rabach. I badmouth the Redskins when they sign free agents. I badmouth them when they don't. I am not a real fan but just a crappy aspiring journalist. We were 4-12 last year. We can only go up from there. Give it a rest.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me, nothing this duo has done lately makes them top of the heap, and today didn't enhance their reps.

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2010 10:18 PM |

Not true. They got rid of a lot of the dead wood and there wasn't anything on the FA market worth spending the kind of $$$ idiot teams like Chi, Mia and GB were forking over.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

A bad team has gotten worse.

Sure, Shanahan is an upgrade over Zorn, and Allen over Cerrato, but just how much an upgrade? Middle of the pack, or tippy top.

Seems to me, nothing this duo has done lately makes them top of the heap, and today didn't enhance their reps.

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2010 10:18 PM |

A bad team has cut away a bunch of dead weight with high prices. This FO is looking to the future. They are setting this team up for the chance that a cap returns. No more will be the days of having to push forward money to make room to sign the one year fix. This FO has no illusions that we are 1 year and 1 player away from the big show. If a cap doesn't return well, we can sign every big name fantasy football player on God's green earth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

You can't have it both ways and expect to retain any sense of credibility towards your opinion. Criticize them for signing too many or criticize them for signing too few but don't whine about both.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

You can't have it both ways and expect to retain any sense of credibility towards your opinion. Criticize them for signing too many or criticize them for signing too few but don't whine about both.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 10:35 PM |

Maybe's he's had too much to drink.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact of Larry Foote coming to town on monday and I hope that shanny and the boys can work out a deal with Pashos. Having a starting LT come in would really help to shape up the draft. If the Rams take Sammy Bradford with the first overall pick, I think you have to take Okung with the 4th pick, leaving the 2nd round pick to take someone like Colt McCoy or LeFevor, maybe even Clausen if he slips. If Bradford is there with the 4th pick, I think you take him and pick up your starting RT in the 2nd round, hoping that he can develope into the starting LT in a few years. Even if you take OKUNG, you can start him at RT and move him to the LT in a few years, look at what the Rams did with Jason Smith this year.

Posted by: PanteraCFH | March 5, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse


Agree with you 100%. Bradford is the key as to how the Skins draft.

Posted by: bones21 | March 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

As I see it, we need starters @ LT, RG, RT, FS, ILB and at least 1 RB. We can only count on our 1st and 2nd rounders starting next year. Without free agents are we just gonna get starters from the preseason waiver wire? I'm glad we didn't get Peppers but Dansby would have been great. I hope we get Sharper.

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

As I see it, we need starters @ LT, RG, RT, FS, ILB and at least 1 RB. We can only count on our 1st and 2nd rounders starting next year. Without free agents are we just gonna get starters from the preseason waiver wire? I'm glad we didn't get Peppers but Dansby would have been great. I hope we get Sharper.

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 10:53 PM |

Who knows, they may have BMW tabbed for RG and Kareem Moore for FS. I think they push Rocky Mac to ILB and sign one of these tackles (Pashos, Levi, etc.) for right or left and draft the other. Thomas Jones got cut and there are some other RB's out there. This ain't a 1 year fix anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

You can't have it both ways and expect to retain any sense of credibility towards your opinion. Criticize them for signing too many or criticize them for signing too few but don't whine about both.

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2010 10:35 PM |

Maybe's he's had too much to drink.

Posted by: scampbell1975

All this, and it's still only the first day of free agency. It's funny how the old ways have left so many fans balled up in a room corner and shaking like an addict in hopes of some big FA signing.

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Detroit has shored up their d-line, which means Okung is likely their choice.

Posted by: BigE44 | March 5, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

All this, and it's still only the first day of free agency. It's funny how the old ways have left so many fans balled up in a room corner and shaking like an addict in hopes of some big FA signing.

Posted by: pgugino | March 5, 2010 10:57 PM |

Change is too much for some people. It's like that battered wife or beaten dog that keeps coming back for more.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, they may have BMW tabbed for RG and Kareem Moore for FS. I think they push Rocky Mac to ILB and sign one of these tackles (Pashos, Levi, etc.) for right or left and draft the other. Thomas Jones got cut and there are some other RB's out there. This ain't a 1 year fix anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 10:57 PM |

That would suc.

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

scamp, that post earlier that I sent was mainly sent to you. Are you sure you want to go to a bankrupt state? Just thought it was interesting.

GO SKINS, GO SHANNY, GO ALLEN

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Detroit has shored up their d-line, which means Okung is likely their choice.

Posted by: BigE44 | March 5, 2010 11:01 PM

Maybe not. This guy Suh has been compared to Reggie White by some. They may want to turn their DL into a really dominant unit. Their coach is a defensive coach.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 5, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Foote and/or Witherspoon.

Levi Jones.

Tony Pashos.

And/or

Haggle with the Ravens over Jared Gaither, but don't surrender the #4 overall for him.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

scamp, that post earlier that I sent was mainly sent to you. Are you sure you want to go to a bankrupt state? Just thought it was interesting.

GO SKINS, GO SHANNY, GO ALLEN

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:09

Yea, there is always positives and negatives my man. I'll be moving from Dayton, OH, where the unemployement rate is 13.2% to south Orange County, where it's 9.1% I won't be working for the gov't and the majority of my taxes aren't paid to states anyway. Plus, it's grey here for 4-5 months out of the year. We really have only about 2 1/2 months of nice weather here otherwise it's raining, humid as hell, grey, or freezin a$$ cold. Everyone here is severly overweight, out of shape and unhappy because of it. Yea, I think I'll take my chances. I know that Cali has some issues but in my mind, the positives are far superior to here. I will miss the fall though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Redskins highlights on Hulu.tv (even the 1973 SuperBowl)
Funny thing... there is nothing after 2005..(Brunnell Dallas game comeback). go figure..haha.

enjoy

http://www.hulu.com/search?query=redskins+highlights&st=0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris Mortensen, of ESPN.com, reports the Miami Dolphins have re-signed free-agent QB Chad Pennington to a one-year deal worth $2.5 million. The contract will allow for another $1.515 million if he is traded, according to sources

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the New England Patriots wanted WR Anquan Boldin, but on a one-year deal. Boldin was traded to the Baltimore Ravens Friday, March 5

Arizona Cardinals DL Darnell Dockett said on Twitter he would be willing to take a paycut if it led to the team keeping FS Antrel Rolle, who was just released by the Cardinals. Dockett was quite vocal Friday, March 5, about losses the team had during the first day of the free-agent market.

Updating a previous item, Larry Lage, of The Associated Press, reports free-agent LB Larry Foote (Lions) is scheduled to visit the Arizona Cardinals Wednesday, March 10

Posted by: skinfanman | March 5, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Suh still on the board at 4.. Does Haslett go convulsive and demand the Skins take him?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Plus this state is turning into a blue tax 'em to death state too. They have nothing to provide for all the money they steal. They just don't understand the more you tax people and business the more they leave. That's why raising taxes doesn't raise revenue. People just leave. Soak the rich, the ones with the easiest means to moving about and they pull up and leave to protect their wealth from the greedy and undeserving.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I think they could do worse than Levi Jones, but I understand what they are looking for by interviewing Clifton and Pashos. This is a smart front office. They are not going to sign guys just because they play in a position of need. They are going to see if the player fits, see if his attitude is going to be a locker room influence and genuinely pick the best player for the evolution of the Redskins. It almost brings a tear to my eye. This is the way things should have been run ever since Snyder bought the team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, ok i agree about wx..for fall just go northern cali and get all foilage (sp) pics you want and then go back to surfing (lol) and I dont mean the computer kind. I wish you well out there, just keep and eye out for when it decides to plunge into the pacific. Make sure your on vacation, say to Vegas or somewheres like that.

Best wishes my man.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Rolle and Clifton are out of the picture now...so where do we find our FS and LT?

I'd be happy if we got Darren Sharper to man the FS for a short term fix (2 yrs?) years), as long as the contract is not unreasonable in price. Haven't heard what he's looking for in terms of $, or if he's made any visits yet?

There isn't much else out there in terms of unrestricted LTs - Mike Gandy, anyone?

Posted by: PDXskin | March 5, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, ok i agree about wx..for fall just go northern cali and get all foilage (sp) pics you want and then go back to surfing (lol) and I dont mean the computer kind. I wish you well out there, just keep and eye out for when it decides to plunge into the pacific. Make sure your on vacation, say to Vegas or somewheres like that.

Best wishes my man.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:26 PM |

You got it bro. That'd make one big a$$ surf board though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and thanks for the good wishes. They're much appreciated. Sorry about the political diatribe too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna see Ryan Clark back @ FS?

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and thanks for the good wishes. They're much appreciated. Sorry about the political diatribe too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:31 PM
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get a room, you two...


Hey, JC still a Redskin? haha

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JC still a Redskin? haha

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:33 PM |

You know what they say - NFL (Not for long). He still doesn't have any money. If he still here, he will get the tender money (overpaid) and be getting splinters after five games of good stats but at best a 2-3 record.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse


Oh, and thanks for the good wishes. They're much appreciated. Sorry about the political diatribe too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:31 PM
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get a room, you two...


Hey, JC still a Redskin? haha

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:33 PM |

Yea, I know, 2 people being nice to each other on here. Novel. especially when one of them is me...and I haven't even been drinking.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the political diatribe too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:31 PM

NP, political diatribe is good since there is no football going on with the adults running the show now.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 5, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna see Ryan Clark back @ FS?

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 11:33 PM

Wouldn't be too bad but I think I'd like to see what Kareem Moore can do. Wasn't he supposed to be a monster in college?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be too bad but I think I'd like to see what Kareem Moore can do. Wasn't he supposed to be a monster in college?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2010 11:41 PM |

As poorly as Landry played last year, why wouldn't they have played a monster?

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

A little something I found interesting for everyone:
http://profootball.scout.com/2/926374.html

No Respect: Most-Targeted Defenders

Worst Burned Rate: Out of the linebackers who have been targeted at least 33 times, the Lions' Larry Foote has struggled the most with an 80.6 percent burned rate. The Jaguars' Daryl Smith is second at 75.7 percent, followed by the Bengals' Dhani Jones (74.7 percent), the Falcons' Curtis Lofton (73.5 percent) and the Bills' Keith Ellison (71.4 percent).

Posted by: barno-1 | March 6, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

As poorly as Landry played last year, why wouldn't they have played a monster?

Posted by: photoassign | March 5, 2010 11:52 PM

Monster's in college don't get drafted 180th in the draft. They need to upgrade the FS position. Next years starter at FS in not currently on the roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

The previous regime only played seasoned vets in all positions. They put everyone else in to give players a 1-2 play breather.

Hopefully, Shanny and Co. plays best person whoever that is, but first he has to get rid of the "I'm here to get a great payday and play a little football attitude."

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 6, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

F Emmitt Smith
F Dallas

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore as FS? Ugh. Ryan Clark? No thanks, we have plenty at SS. Clark is fine when complementing Polumalu or ST21 -- nothing special otherwise.

Out here in SF, they were talking about the Boldin trade and how much that helps the 49ers.

The Skins moves -- and lack of moves -- tells me its very possible Allen and Shanahan have written off 2010 and perhaps even 2011.

Writing it off doesn't mean they don't expect improvement. I'm sure they do expect more wins simply because Shanahan is so much more competent than Zorn/Cerrato. Shanahan doesn't need a great group to win 6-8 games (sadly, that is an improvement).

I'm getting a feeling (though its too early to know) that Shanahan and Allen look at the foundation of the team as rotten (wrong defense, wrong offense, bad contracts, major talent holes, attitude problems, age issues, etc). So they expect to use 2010 and 2011 to strip out everything they don't like.

Its a huge renovation and will take 2 years to do most of the work.

I'm guessing that is the plan they sold to Danny. I'm also guessing Danny has told Shanahan to be financially smarter -- I think Danny's finances aren't what they once were.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 6, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 6, 2010 12:40 AM

All sound possibilities, if somewhat depressing.

Posted by: will_ga | March 6, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, Cali is broke man. Wouldn't expect alot of opportunities there (unless you have one in mind). I, because of my job (because of transfer) have a home in Utah that I will be selling in a few weeks. Utah hasn't been hit as bad as some places by the recession. I was born in DC and grew up in and around. I've never seen a more beautiful place in the US than Utah. And the people are unbelievable. I will miss it dearly (wanted to retire here). What do you do? I lived in So-Cal for a couple years. Can't beat the weather, I'll say that. But, for the people, Utah is the best. I've been all over this country and there arn't any better. If your interested, I know some folks and might be able to hook you up. Either way, good luck on the move.

Posted by: msrent | March 6, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Its a huge renovation and will take 2 years to do most of the work.

I'm guessing that is the plan they sold to Danny. I'm also guessing Danny has told Shanahan to be financially smarter -- I think Danny's finances aren't what they once were.

Posted by: zcezcest1

If that is the case then they both are liars as Shanallen has stated The Future Is Now (even sent out a mailing) and said they are not rebuilding.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 6, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Damn we lost out on a potential NT in Justin Bannan who signed with the Broncos on Friday, terms of the contract were not disclosed. I'm wondering what the plan is for the 2010 season? I don't agree with some comments saying the FO has written off the 2010 season, I'm just not clear on how they're handling things eventhough its still earlier in Free Agencys. Bannan wasn't a big name but he would've filled a major need and not to pursue him at all makes me scratch my head!!! Can it be the new FO is trying to hard not to be like Vinny and crew???

Posted by: robbkels | March 6, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Lisa;
I think we'll see a respectable team on the field next year. Will we win the Superbowl? I doubt it. But these guys are going to improve this team year by year (so long as Mr. Snyder can tolerate it it).

Posted by: msrent | March 6, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: robbkels

I've been throwing Justin Bannan's name around for a month. He would have been a given us some real depth at NT. Oh well, he would have been an under the radar solid signing, good signing by the niners.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

not sure how "been a" jumped into my post. Still need a NT, it's going to be hard to address all of our needs with 5 picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a season like the one we had under Schottenheimer... maybe not as rough a start as that (goodness knows) but Schotty installed a new system and a new philosophy, he had to clean up a massive salary cap problem... he was tasked with nothing short of rebuilding the franchise. And he had that team playing really good, competitive, hard-nosed football by the end of the season in what was undeniably a "rebuilding" year.

That was one hell of an impressive 8-8, is what I'm saying, and had Snyder not run him out of town I have no doubt Schotty would've taken this team places. I'm not crazy enough to suggest he would've won a title, but his teams have always been good solid playoff teams, and good grief we would have appreciated that, wouldn't we?

So that's what I'm hoping for in the first season of what's at least the third round of "franchise reinvents itself" under Snyder...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 6, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Nate;
I didn't like Schott much, but he was a professional. Snyder didn't give him a chance.

Posted by: msrent | March 6, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Interesting headlines…

"Rolle gets five years, $37 million from Giants". Atogwe anyone?

"Pennington stays with the Dolphins". Good thing we’re looking at Rex (not really)

"Patriots bring back Stephen Neal". Would have been a good option @ RG

"Police confirm they are investigating Roethlisberger"- dude get the consensual sex contract Chappelle talked about. How does the accuser know that Big Ben weighed exactly 241 lbs. Funny because that is exactly what wiki has him listed as. The police can go ahead and throw this allegation out..


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Third round? Turner, Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn...with a Robiskie interim. More like sixth round.

Posted by: msrent | March 6, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse


More Koolaid anyone?

The reason I keep mentioning Rabach is because he is demonstrative of the lack of motion on the OLine. An average center is the only guy nailed down.

I'm all for a revamp of the team, and yes after 17 years of futility I've grown a little impatient and cynical.

But rather than speak in generalized criticisms of my comments, how about some specifics.

Sure, there was deadwood that needed cutting. But the deadwood played last year because there was nothing better around to replace it. Still isn't.

What's been done to help?

Start withthe Oline. The two best players are gone and the only replacement in view is a guy who sounds like he should be running a Greek restaurant--Pashos.

QB? The backup is gone.

RB? The two backups are gone. Portis is one hit away from retirement.

Defense:

A top tackle is gone, another is being tried out at linebacker. There are no nose tackles. The best tackle and best DE will be asked to play out of position.

There still is no decent free safety, and fletcher is aging..

At corner: Of the three starters, one is gone, another is livid and wants to be gone.

And who's being asked to step in to key positions? Coleman and Alexander at LB. One never played it, the other hated it. Tryon and Barnes at CB. Need a LOT of improvement. If Tryon has to start, in a league with an emphasis on tall receivers, both CBs are 5'10"

Like I said I see NO impact FAs, and with two draft picks gone, they are only likely to have 1-3 impact players from the draft.

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Its a huge renovation and will take 2 years to do most of the work.

I'm guessing that is the plan they sold to Danny. I'm also guessing Danny has told Shanahan to be financially smarter -- I think Danny's finances aren't what they once were.

Posted by: zcezcest1

If that is the case then they both are liars as Shanallen has stated The Future Is Now (even sent out a mailing) and said they are not rebuilding.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Shanahan can never tell people he doesn't expect them to win.

But he could have told Danny (Shanahan has the power in this relationship) that he needs 2 seasons to rebuild and he'll do what he can to win -- while he is acquiring the pieces to become a consistent competitor. If this is the case, I'd guess the date Shanahan gave Danny to be a consistent competitor is the 2012 season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 6, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

To come at this from another angle, we can only guess at what Danny's organizational goals are in his 3 year plan. I wouldn't be surprised if these are some:

2010
Total payroll: $xxx (no bigger than 2009)
Dead money: $xxx ($ pd to players not w the team)
No renegotiated contracts with upfront bonus
7 wins
Improve player focus and attitude
Improve fan experience
Sell merchandise: $xxx
Update FedEx food
Keep waiting list at current level

2011
Total payroll: $xxx (same as 2010)
Dead money: $xxx
Sell merchandise: $xxx
Upgrade practice facilities
Move training camp
9 wins
Increase wait list by 10,000

2012
Total payroll: $xxx
Dead money: $xxx (much less than in 2010 or 2011)
Playoffs
New uniforms
Sell merchandise: $xxx
Facelift for FedEx
Increase wait list by 20,000

For example, I suspect Danny wants to keep the payroll from growing, expects to shed dead money in the next 2 years and have minimal dead money by 2012.

You can guess as well as I can. I suspect Shanahan sold Danny on a plan that revamps a lot, with payoff (ie playoff) in 2012.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 6, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, msrent... I was counting three in that Schottenheimer era was starting over post-Norv and post-Casserly (who may have already been gone before that)... Spurrier era didn't seem quite that dramatic a change. I'm not counting Robinsky's three-game turn. And then Gibbs, which was one of those big serious evolutionary moments (we thought and hoped)...

I see the Spurrier and Zorn hires as moments when Snyder was in the ascent, whereas I see the Schotty, Gibbs and now Shanallen hires as moments when Snyder was ceding some control.

It's a typically BS theory and I'm zonked out of my gourd up here right now, so there's that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 6, 2010 3:23 AM | Report abuse

ESPN: "Wilfork for $40 M".

Crissakes, I'll fork for $100, espec if U R talkin' their Sage Babe.

Posted by: Coriolis | March 5, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse


What is a "Crissakes"? They sound tasty. Nom nom nom

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 6, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

No major FA signings by Skins... And Allen, the capologist, says just because a Free Agent visits the Park, doesnt mean he'll sign..
Very quiet, so far, for a "Future is Now", year??...

ummmmm I smell a Trade in the works, for picks or players.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 6, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

About Mike Williams:

"We believe that he's only scratched the surface of his abilities so far, and look forward to seeing what he can do after a full offseason in our program," Shanahan said in a release.


I would never claim to have more football acumen than Mike Shanahan, but if he says he sees value in Mike Williams, then I must be blind.

It seemed to me that Williams is a fine straight line blocker who can't pull and has poor screen blocking technique.

Too, it seemed that he had major issues handling defensive ends coming in at him on twists/stunts as his footwork was poor and he didn't maximize leverage by keeping his hips down.

But with all that being said, if Shanny feels an off season will fix what ails Williams, then perhaps we can cross right guard off as a worry spot along the offensive line.

Too, we still have Chad Rhinehart and the hope that maybe an offseason, a focused training camp and new blocking scheme will fit whatever talents he has.

We yak all day about the left tackle, but the right guard spot is also a weak area for the team.

So if Shanny believes in Williams, well, maybe he sees what we don't.

But as for me, I'd like to see M Iupati playing right guard alongside T Pashos next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

If that is the case then they both are liars as Shanallen has stated The Future Is Now (even sent out a mailing) and said they are not rebuilding.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Shanahan can never tell people he doesn't expect them to win.

But he could have told Danny (Shanahan has the power in this relationship) that he needs 2 seasons to rebuild and he'll do what he can to win -- while he is acquiring the pieces to become a consistent competitor. If this is the case, I'd guess the date Shanahan gave Danny to be a consistent competitor is the 2012 season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 6, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Spot on, zcezce. This is the best summarization of our status I have seen over the past few days.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 6, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

"The Skins moves -- and lack of moves -- tells me its very possible Allen and Shanahan have written off 2010 and perhaps even 2011."


The lack of signings--in light of the past FA's penchant for it--could be a good thing.

I'm willing to wait until the fall of 2011/2012 for the team to gell.

Rebuilding via the draft and second tier free agents ain't a bad thing, you know.

For the past few years, the skins have rushed out in free agency like a kid in a candy store only to wind up with a sick stomach titled Arch Deluxe one year and B Lloyd the next.

Sure, I'd like to see some FA action too, but the slow, methodical approach means the present roster--plus the replacements for the ten players released the other day-- gets a year to see if it can absorb what Shanny wants to do.

And that's not a bad thing.

So bring on rebuilding and a couple of 3-13 seasons: at least this time around, we know we'll be headed in some kind of positive direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

The skins have got to turn around a bad situation. Their rep under Vinny had become one of a team willing to be fleeced. Other teams are not used to having to really give the skins fair value on any potential trades, so they are hesitant to make deals at the moment. Eventually this will change, but it may take an entire off-season. Also free agents are used to Vinnie backing up the brinks truck, without due diligence. Therefore the "big" names are only w2illing to consider the skins if they over pay...otherwise they prefer to take fair market deals from other teams. This will also take time to change; again probably an entire off-season. So the skins are clearly not going to erase a decade + of Vinnie's complete incompetency in just one off-season. Hopefully the adults who are now in charge can turn this aircraft carrier around in a year and be back on track, competing in the off season on a level track this time next year. So be patient and humble this offseason, play some young guys who will get better this year, and hopefully get close to a .500 season. And next offseason the skins will be better able to add some significant FA talent at fair market prices.

Posted by: oddjob1 | March 6, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Sure, I'd like to see some FA action too, but the slow, methodical approach means the present roster--plus the replacements for the ten players released the other day-- gets a year to see if it can absorb what Shanny wants to do.

And that's not a bad thing.

So bring on rebuilding and a couple of 3-13 seasons: at least this time around, we know we'll be headed in some kind of positive direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse
Exactly, Moe. We have a month still to find some value in UFA, then we let the draft play out. Then teams will be cutting players to make their 53-man rosters. Let's assemble the best group we can this year, see how it gels. Get younger and faster. Then we can fill in the holes, after the coaches have had some time to work with the team.

I'm not so pessimistic as to expect 3-13. Just having Shanny, I think will improve on 4-12.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 6, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Suh still on the board at 4.. Does Haslett go convulsive and demand the Skins take him?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 5, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse


If Suh is still on the board at #4, then I think we've got a pretty good shot at trading down?

Suh has been touted as one of the rare "can't-miss" prospects in the draft. And any number of teams might want to go for a "safe" pick like that.

Tenessee, for instance, has lost their 2 best linemen in AH and VandenBosch over the past 2 seasons. They fancy themselves a contender next year, and Suh could be an immediate impact player.

Perhaps they give up the #16 pick and their 3rd rounder (they don't have a 2nd rounder).

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Right now, FO is having to change how Skins are viewed around the league. Clifton came in, expecting a huge payday. That was the expectation, based on previous FO's. We are making a statement, and I think it will help us in the long run. We need lots of solid athletes, then we bond them into a team. We don't need a few super athletes with huge salaries. That causes dissention within the lockerroom.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 6, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse


My specific criticism is this:

What the heck are you freaking out about?

If you understand that the team needs to rebuild, then let it rebuild. To rebuild, you first need to tear down what is there. If you are going to "rebuild" your house you don't jump up and down yanking your hair out when the bulldozer comes through on your lot.

Yes, the roster has alot of holes in it. Good thing the season doesn't start tomorrow, eh?


Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Tenessee, for instance, has lost their 2 best linemen in AH and VandenBosch over the past 2 seasons. They fancy themselves a contender next year, and Suh could be an immediate impact player.

Perhaps they give up the #16 pick and their 3rd rounder (they don't have a 2nd rounder).

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse


I would rather have Dan Williams from UT.. might be available to us at #37 (wishful thinking?!)

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 6, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

If Suh is at #4, I think you take him...He'll sure up your Defensive Line for years...

Orakpo, Suh, Haynesworth...tough to block that!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

No way I see 4-12 again for this team...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

No way I see 4-12 again for this team...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 6, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse


If they are going 4-12 for the right reasons next year, then I'm fine with that.

Right Reasons:

-they are playing alot of younger guys on their roster or guys that have not had PT over the years to see what they've got

-they are installing new offense and defense and the team needs time to learn/gel and get the chemistry right, there is player accountability which means rough sledding in the short-run as everyone learns together

-the coaches are experimenting with the schemes/players trying to find the right fit and positions to maximize player potential


Wrong Reasons:

-they are keeping a pricey underperforming veteran core intact under the delusion that they are a contender; the underperforming vets get to hold onto their starting positions in a desperate attempt to convince the emperor that he does indeed have clothing on

-new billionaire FA signings are getting jammed into the roster with no real plan as to how they fit - we just got them b/c some donkey in the FO thought they were a really good player and thinks this is fantasy football

-team morale is in the tank b/c of a dysfunctional team chemistry and terrible relationships between player, coaches and FO with no accountability

-schemes clearly don't fit the player strengths, but instead of stepping back and remolding things in order to take a step forward, we keep banging our heads against a brick wall running the same ineffective plays with the same ineffective players thinking that one day the brick wall will eventually give way


Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I see that Cork the biggest hater of Vinny and his way of buisness. A guy who did nothing but complain about everything that was done for the past 3 years. Is now also complaining about the new regime who seem to be doing exactly what Cork wanted until he got it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 6, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people that wanted to stop the old way of doing things, now whining when they finally decide to do it. You people need to make up your F mind, this team totally sucked last year and what you are worried about them rebuilding.

This team needed to get rid of dead weight, and get some young players involved. I would take another 4-12 as long as we are on the right path.

If you thought this team was going to get great overnight, your nuts and should follow a different sport.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"If Suh is at #4, I think you take him...He'll sure up your Defensive Line for years..."

Depends what someone is willing to offer for him in a trade.

If he's there, you have to consider him but we have Haynesworth and this team desperately needs OL-men.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 6, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

10-6 b!tches

Posted by: whess8 | March 6, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"OMG we didn't fix 10 years of bad moves in 24 hours! Why haven't we signed Johnny U! Bring back Vinny! Rabach spells doom! But Redskins marketing material says we will win 14 games! Where is Redskins 1 when you need it! Why didn't we make a trade for the first pick yet! Who took chipolte mayo off the menu at Johnny Rockets! The 3/4 defense is the 3rd sign of the armegeddon! IF we sign a 30+ player the future is wasted!"

Wow.......

Posted by: chrislarry | March 6, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the RFA OLmen, Rob Sims (G) of the Seahawks is just standing out. He's young (4 years in the league)and improving. He's started 30 games and he has a 4th round tender. Not sure what's up with that tender level..maybe he doesn't fit the scheme of the new regime.

Posted by: TWISI | March 6, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I see that Cork the biggest hater of Vinny and his way of buisness. A guy who did nothing but complain about everything that was done for the past 3 years. Is now also complaining about the new regime who seem to be doing exactly what Cork wanted until he got it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 6, 2010 8:58 AM |

Here's the deal with corky. I have disagreed with a lot of what he's said over the years and have agreed with some. His logic had usually been sound though. His crotchediness (word?) was annoying but now he has shown himself to be a real d-bag and has entered perineum, sports_guru status. Chalk him up in the can never be happy catagory, a hater, and possibly not really even a Skins fan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Hey Reid, come on, time for a new thread. Its the first weekend of free agency, for cryin' out loud! Gotta be something out there. Wake up and get outta bed! Get to work!

Posted by: wagman1 | March 6, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I cosign scamp re: Cork.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 6, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

What do you guys think about making a run at Ryan Clark.
We know he's a max effort guy, willing to sacrifice his body for the good of the team, and he really helped Sean Taylor get his career off the ground when they played together, maybe the same works for landry

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 6, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If Suh is still on the board at #4, then I think we've got a pretty good shot at trading down?

Suh has been touted as one of the rare "can't-miss" prospects in the draft. And any number of teams might want to go for a "safe" pick like that.

Tenessee, for instance, has lost their 2 best linemen in AH and VandenBosch over the past 2 seasons. They fancy themselves a contender next year, and Suh could be an immediate impact player.

Perhaps they give up the #16 pick and their 3rd rounder (they don't have a 2nd rounder).

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2010 8:09 AM

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I like that scenario p1funk.. And it could very well happen Suh is still there..
Skins get back the lost 3rd in the highest quality and deepest draft since 1983 (according Casserly). Moving up to get Suh might be worth 2 picks maybe the 6th (also lost).
If Suh is there for the Skins it will be an interesting 15 minutes of "Redskins on the Clock".... Wherever Danny is, they will probably have to defibrillate him.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 6, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

What do you guys think about making a run at Ryan Clark.
We know he's a max effort guy, willing to sacrifice his body for the good of the team, and he really helped Sean Taylor get his career off the ground when they played together, maybe the same works for landry

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 6, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

As a free safety, sure. Overstocked at strong safety. Whats he been playing in Pittsburg, strong?

Posted by: wagman1 | March 6, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Wish List-
None of these guys would be huge splashes, but they are solid veterans who aren't to old and can really help shore up teh team and change the direction of the franchise

Ryan Clark FS-We know he's a max effort guy, willing to sacrifice his body for the good of the team, and he really helped Sean Taylor get his career off the ground when they played together, maybe the same works for landry

Chester Pitts T- He's a 9 yr vet, very athletic and has been a solid stater for the texans for 5 years. Coming of an injury so maybe a diamond in the rough

Tyler Brayton DE- 31 yrs, He's 280 lbs and is a high motor player who plays the run well and started the last 31 games for carolina. Could be a good depth player in the 3-4

Keydrick Vincent G- Big body who is relatively athletic and started for 2 years in a zone scheme at Carolina. Could be a 1 year bridge to whatever guard we draft in the later rounds (hopefully)

Marshall Yanda G- He's restricted with a 3rd round tender i think, if we can get him in a trade for a 5th that is a good deal, he's 26 and a 3 year starter for the ravens.

Tony Pashos OT- He's a good run blocker, very strong and can hold down the fort at RT

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 6, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, Cali is broke man. Wouldn't expect alot of opportunities there (unless you have one in mind). I, because of my job (because of transfer) have a home in Utah that I will be selling in a few weeks. Utah hasn't been hit as bad as some places by the recession. I was born in DC and grew up in and around. I've never seen a more beautiful place in the US than Utah. And the people are unbelievable. I will miss it dearly (wanted to retire here). What do you do? I lived in So-Cal for a couple years. Can't beat the weather, I'll say that. But, for the people, Utah is the best. I've been all over this country and there arn't any better. If your interested, I know some folks and might be able to hook you up. Either way, good luck on the move.

Posted by: msrent | March 6, 2010 12:55 AM |

Uh, thanks but no thanks. 1, I have family in socal. 2, my first wife was Mormon and I have no desire to spend any more time around those frickin' nut bags. 3, I don't care that Cali is broke, if you haven't been paying attention the whole country is in a record amount of debt and I don't plan on working for the gov't anyway. Thanks for your input and I'm sure Utah is great but I'll pass, I have made my decision.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

msrent you need to read my previous comment re unemployement per where I'm at and where I'm going. I manage to make money here in 13.2% unemployement land where very few people have anything to spare to 9.1% unemployement land where there is a substantial amount of wealth. I'm sure that I'll be fine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Man I can really sound like a dick without really even wanting to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I can't speak for others but my complaint about Officer Vinny wasn't the free agent signings or his ability to evaluate talent. I disagreed with his asset allocation. I think the "draft the best player available regardless of need" fails if you then don't address your needs through free agency or trade. Prime example, of course, was choosing 2 receivers and a tight end when he should have known the OL was in a dire need of retooling. It was entirely predictable that Thomas got hurt and I think Samuels has been over-rated for a long time (he's no Lachey or Jacoby) and they should have been looking to move him to guard. So now I think we need to trade a TE for a pick or starter to undo the mistake of choosing a reserve with so many starters needed.

Posted by: photoassign | March 6, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

what is your profession Scamp? SoCal versus most anywhere else is, a no brainer for the weather alone.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 6, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Jon Jansen re-signs with Lions"

Paid him 6 mil to walk away last year during a capped year. It's going to be very easy to pay Portis 6 mil to walk away during an uncapped year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

what is your profession Scamp? SoCal versus most anywhere else is, a no brainer for the weather alone.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 6, 2010 10:19 AM |

Mostly I am an entrepeneur. I have my own design, home improvement, renovation, and maintenance business. I have started a few other businesses and spun them off to others and I am an extremely active volunteer which takes up just as much of my time as work does.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The economy is improving, slowly, you will do fine I'm sure. Best of luck to you and your family.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 6, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I hope they continue to do things the opposite of how they've done it in the past. I'll gladly trade a boring off-season for a promising regular season.

Posted by: mack1 | March 6, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I hope they continue to do things the opposite of how they've done it in the past. I'll gladly trade a boring off-season for a promising regular season.

Posted by: mack1 | March 6, 2010 10:34 AM |

Yeah, lets do nothing and hope they play better!

Posted by: photoassign | March 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, lets do nothing and hope they play better!

Posted by: photoassign | March 6, 2010 10:44 AM |

Yep. That's exactly what I said shutterbugger.

Posted by: mack1 | March 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

D Hall type money for Dunta..

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Robinson's contract is a six-year, $57 million deal, with $25.5 guaranteed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 6, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Artis Hicks visiting today. Bring in the Guards!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I hope they continue to do things the opposite of how they've done it in the past. I'll gladly trade a boring off-season for a promising regular season.

Posted by: mack1 | March 6, 2010 10:34 AM |

Yeah, lets do nothing and hope they play better!

Posted by: photoassign | March 6, 2010 10:44 AM |

Yep. That's exactly what I said shutterbugger.

Posted by: mack1 | March 6, 2010 10:47 AM |

Your sarcasm antenna is down.

Posted by: photoassign | March 6, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 6, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

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