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Is Brian Westbrook still in play for Redskins?

Updated at 3:11 p.m.

With the Redskins in the midst of another set of organized team activities this week, Coach Mike Shanahan and his staff are getting another chance to evaluate the running back position. The incumbent is, of course, Clinton Portis. The imported former stars are Larry Johnson and Willie Parker. And one name still hangs out there, away from Ashburn: Brian Westbrook.

The former Eagles star, who is coming off a season abbreviated by a pair of concussions, still has not signed with a team two weeks after his visit with the Redskins. Another interested party, apparently, is St. Louis, and one report out of Missouri has Westbrook likely to make a decision this week.

That, though, might not happen. Westbrook's agent is out of town until the end of the month, and though he could certainly get a deal done while on vacation, it seems quite possible the veteran won't sign until June.

Thus, with each passing day, it would seem the chances of the DeMatha High grad ending up with Washington lessens. Shanahan has spoken about his desire to have all the members of his first Redskins team at the team's minicamps - one remains, June 16-18 - and at OTAs. This week is the second of four series of OTAs. Thus, Westbrook has already missed one minicamp and two OTA sessions - essentially half of the offseason program.

Here are some reminders of what the three current Redskins running backs did last year, with Westbrook's numbers as a comparison:

Clinton Portis
Age at Week 1: 29
2009: 8 games, 124 attempts, 494 yards, 4.0 yds./carry, 1 TD

Larry Johnson
Age at Week 1: 30
2009: 14 games, 178 attempts, 581 yards, 3.3 yds./carry, 0 TD

Willie Parker
Age at Week 1: 29
2009: 14 games, 98 attempts, 389 yards, 4.0 yds./carry, 0 TD

Brian Westbrook
Age at Week 1: 31
2009: 8 games, 61 attempts, 274 yards, 4.5 yds./carry, 1 TD

The Jersey Super Bowl

Later this afternoon, NFL owners will decide the location of the 2014 Super Bowl and the Meadowlands is the clear favorite, putting the game outdoors in a winter climate for the first time. Is that a good idea? And, hey, there's a big stadium here in Washington; why not bring it to the nation's capital? As a matter of fact, the Redskins' owner spoke with Mark Maske and said he thinks D.C. deserves to host a Super Bowl.

Wise on Allen

Bruce Allen brings an olive branch as well as a sense of history to the Redskins. Mike Wise writes that the team's general manager is reaching out to former players whose relationship with the team is frayed.

By Barry Svrluga  |  May 25, 2010; 2:07 PM ET
Categories:  Free agency , Running backs  
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Seriously, take away the video and stats and it seems like JReid is just mumbling out loud. nice move on putting two separate headlines on the same page linking to the same story, really makes it seem like there's lots to read here. I never thought I'd miss JLC

Posted by: Black706 | May 25, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

oh, and first

Posted by: Black706 | May 25, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

FieldTurf = Cancerous Turf.

and bad turf as well....

Grassway or the Highway...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM
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4th, it's synthetic grass, not synthetic cannabis. You can't smoke that stuff.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just put up links to Matt Mosley's stuff on ESPN so we can get some real reading material

Posted by: Black706 | May 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Stats are for chumps. Westbrook is a different kind of RB than Portis/Johnson/Parker.

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Westbrook, keep a spot open for one of the young pups, Keiland Williams or Ryan Torain, to try and shine.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, why so much aggression from Black706? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Leave the poor guy alone, he's doing fine; this is a great supplement in dry times for 'Skins news, except for Speedy Santana stuff.

In other words: Go suck an egg.

Posted by: Corvis777 | May 25, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow, one post all day, gotta love these reporters, you know, reporting, and finding stuff to report, not like they're just sitting back playing solitaire all day, or are they......................

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

That's crazy, I just typed this in, and what do you know, the 2nd post of the day! I should criticize them more often!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Synthetic Turf, often referred to by brand name FieldTurf, is made up in part of recycled rubber pellets. According to FieldTurf’s product information, “FieldTurf’s grass fibers are surrounded and stabilized by a special blend of ‘synthetic earth’—FieldTurf’s patented mixture of smooth, rounded silica sand, rubber granules, and NIKE GRIND made of re-ground athletic shoe material.”

The little pellets get around. They turn up in players’ shoes and are visible on the field surfaces. The manufacturer of FieldTurf readily acknowledges that the pellets might be transported on shoes especially after rainfall. The pellets have also been observed in stormwater drains by Marcos Island city officials in Florida.

So what’s the problem with the pellets? A study conducted last year by Dr. William Crane of the City College of New York and Dr. Junfeng Zhang of Rutgers University determined that a FieldTurf surface in Manhattan’s Riverside Park contained polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and toxic metals. PAH’s are chemicals created during the partial burning of, among other things, oil and gas.

In the study, the levels of 6 PAHs found in the rubber pellets were above concentrations allowed by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC). DEC requires removal of these substances at these levels from contaminated soils because the DEC considers them hazardous to public health.

The Department of Health and Human Services Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry (ATSDR) summarizes the danger: “Some people who have breathed or touched mixtures of PAHs and other chemicals for long periods of time have developed cancer. Some PAHs have caused cancer in laboratory animals when they breathed air containing them (lung cancer), ingested them in food (stomach cancer), or had them applied to their skin (skin cancer).”

The PAH of greatest concern is benzopyrene, which was found on the artificial turf in levels 8 times greater than the DEC limit. Two researchers at the Department of Biochemistry of the University of Western Ontario have found that exposure to benzopyrene increases the incidence of breast cancer. Benzopyrene is known to be mutagenic and highly carcinogenic and has been tracked crossing the placenta and attacking DNA. It also suppresses the gene that controls cell growth and, according to Dr. William M. Bennett, M.D., Professor of Medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University, has been linked to half of all human cancers and up to 70 percent of lung cancers. Dr. Patrick Kinney, a professor of environmental health sciences at Columbia University, succinctly acknowledges the potential health risk: “PAHs, if you breathe them, have been associated with lung cancer.”

http://progressivekid.wordpress.com/2007/03/15/home-turf-disadvantage/

FieldTurf = Cancer

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

In 2009, that group had a total of 2 rushing TDs and 3 concussions.

Hmmmmmmm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"A New York Super Bowl?"


New York Super Bowl?

I wonder how many HOF'ers will shake Lawrence Taylor's hand upon meeting him at a media event given the news about his using a defense of self-gratification to beat(?) child sex charges?:

LT (right hand outstretched): "Welcome to New York."

"Today's event has been sponsored by the good people at Jergens Lotion."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

CP will be the starting running back and have another 2005-type season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Could you imagine if all field-turf fields had to be recalled because of EPA mandates on their rubber pellets? Those fields cost millions per facility to build. That would be one of the most disastrous wastes of money you can imagine. There has to be tens of thousands of these fields throughout the country right now.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

And now we're magically back to the running back debate. A vicious cycle I tell ya

Posted by: ga8085 | May 25, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Go suck an egg? Where is this guy from?

Posted by: Black706 | May 25, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Methinks you should go back to Britain and have a fag

Posted by: Black706 | May 25, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Clinton ain't done folks. When asked how timid/anxious he'll be taking his next hit, Portis claimed the concussion won't be on his mind.

Clinton pointed out that Aikman had 11 before he called it quits.

Javid Best suffered a concussion last year in college. Thank goodness he wasn't drafted by the Redskins, otherwise half the blog would complain that he too, is one hit away from retirement.

Posted by: Vicc | May 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

4th, interesting stuff on the new turf. Can't say I know much about it, though I've heard players say it winds up in their breathing (mouth/nose) and it takes a day or two before they're done spitting it all out.

Benzene compounds are rather notorious in the cancer world -- though more often they are a vapor and inhaled. In solid form, reactions could be very different. Plus, not sure how much total exposure there is. Over a career, you're talking a few hundred hours of exposure ... you probably get more than that from pumping gas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna sue bathing suit companies for causing cancer

Posted by: Vicc | May 25, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Please pass on Westbrook - unless they're gonna use him as a slot wr

Posted by: coparker5 | May 25, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Z...

I haven't heard from you lately regarding those San Jose Sharks?

How about one right now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I think the benzene question isn't whether players get too much exposure to it by being on the field, it's whether the run-off from the field contaminates water sources, soil, etc.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor,
Thanks for posting the article on Field Turf. Man, the Giants have an issue with their field already. I'd rather see all of the games played on natural grass. I know that's not feasible in a dome, but that's my preference.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Z...

I haven't heard from you lately regarding those San Jose Sharks?

How about one right now?

Posted by: 4thFloor

Did my 24 hour mourning period for MY Sharks -- ended yesterday.

Next up, my Big Red in the NCAA lacrosse final 4 this weekend. Last year, they had a 3 goal lead late in the championship game -- then lost in OT. Expecting another mourning period soon. Was at the last NCAA championship win for my alma mater (in any sport) -- that was 1977.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And now we're magically back to the running back debate. A vicious cycle I tell ya

Posted by: ga8085 | May 25, 2010 2:35 PM

Next up: Jason Campbell trade

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Please pass on Westbrook - unless they're gonna use him as a slot wr

Posted by: coparker5 | May 25, 2010 2:45 PM
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I've thought about that myself. Westbrook has some decent hands and I would imagine he can still get open. I'd say go for it - especially if one of the other guys is done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Concussions are different kind of injury -- its really clear the NFL doesn't understand them. Not sure if Portis or Westbrook belongs back on a football field. Portis because his was a major deal (seems about 6 months to recover) and Westbrook because he got 2 in a row.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Mark Maske, covering the owners' meetings, spoke with Daniel Snyder, who says that Washington deserves to host a Super Bowl. http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2010/05/snyder-says-washington-deserves-a-super-bowl.html

Posted by: TheCindy | May 25, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

... Man, the Giants have an issue with their field already. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:52 PM

Is the old one blowed up already? Did they find Jimmy Hoffa's bones in there?

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

DC superbowl will be given a big push if the NY one happens.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCindy | May 25, 2010 3:01 PM

One of a kind, our Dauphine ... she is THE definite article.

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Z

I am also excited for the NCAA Lax final four this weekend...you going?

Cornell may have a shot this year against ND. They did play MD tough though...I will root for your Cornell team, I hate the Irish.

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 25, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

DC superbowl will be given a big push if the NY one happens.

Posted by: alex35332

Which is why the cold weather owners are going to vote for a NY Super Bowl. Kraft, Snyder, Paul Allen, etc ... all of them would make a nice chunk of change if they had the chance to host one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

All the NFC East Owners will side with NYC...and later Washington....

I'm sure Jerry would be intrigued for his team to play in a SB here.....

The bigger question would be....

Will it be @ FedEx or the New Stadium where RFK currently stands???? They may have to knock down the armory as well and maybe rebuild it too???

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Is the old one blowed up already? Did they find Jimmy Hoffa's bones in there?
Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse


No just the rotting corps of Jack Nickelson's career

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, on the JC issue;

if he plays well there in oaktown, whats the over under on those who will say "i told you so" = he would have done well here?

I would not because they dont run a WCO, which i think we all know he is suited for....

back to your regularly schedule old running back debate

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 25, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

that should say NOT SUITED FOR

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Wait...are they talking about building another Skins stadium? Did I miss something?

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

... Man, the Giants have an issue with their field already. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:52 PM

Is the old one blowed up already? Did they find Jimmy Hoffa's bones in there?


Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 3:02 PM
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Nope, just pieces of Thesiman's tibia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Which is why the cold weather owners are going to vote for a NY Super Bowl. Kraft, Snyder, Paul Allen, etc ... all of them would make a nice chunk of change if they had the chance to host one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Its not that simple. you cant "just" be an NFL city and host, you need to be a big enough city and have enough hotels and the likes around the city for the 100,000- 2,000,000 people coming into town for an event. Remember how Jacksonville had a problem when they hosted and they used cruse ships as hotels?

I would think (not sure) that the only Cold weather cities that could host, and haven't are, NY, DC, Bal, Phi, Bos, & Chi.
Other cities don't look to me like they could handle the influx, nor be desirable cities for an event.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

... Man, the Giants have an issue with their field already. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:52 PM

Is the old one blowed up already? Did they find Jimmy Hoffa's bones in there?


Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 3:02 PM
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Nope, just pieces of Thesiman's tibia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM
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Sorry. Realized after I posted that Theisman broke his leg in RFK, not Giants stadium.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I would think (not sure) that the only Cold weather cities that could host, and haven't are, NY, DC, Bal, Phi, Bos, & Chi.
Other cities don't look to me like they could handle the influx, nor be desirable cities for an event.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:12 PM |

If Detroit can host it anyone can....I would add Cleveland to your list.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Using the former moniker is far less fun than I thought it would be, dcsween.

Posted by: TheCindy | May 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

If Detroit can host it anyone can....I would add Cleveland to your list.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard Detroit was a terrible place outside of the game itself. If they allow cold weather games I would personally completely rethink how we pick the cities. Start by quality of the city, take out places like Jacksonville, Indianapolis, St. Louis. No Southern Domes.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wait...are they talking about building another Skins stadium? Did I miss something?

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

We have been wanting a new stadium for the skins since 2001...

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Moosehead Lake, ME. get a chance to host a super bowl....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Dudes - que pasa? I've been out in LA hard at work on scrpits for TV and movies. With the burgeoning popularity of food shows on cable and the evergreen appeal of porn I thought to myself mebbe I can write a spec script combining both themes. Herewith is a synopsis of one script I have been working on.

The action begins with with a dude and a chick undressing and screwing after a night out. Standard porn stuff. Then the action picks up later when they arise the next morning. The chick makes the pancake batter and the dude stirs it with his dick. Then the chick licks the batter off. Then the dude adds the cream to the cream of wheat. Then they both sit down to a nice hardy meal.

Let me know what you think. Thkx.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The action begins with with a dude and a chick undressing and screwing after a night out. Standard porn stuff. Then the action picks up later when they arise the next morning. The chick makes the pancake batter and the dude stirs it with his dick. Then the chick licks the batter off. Then the dude adds the cream to the cream of wheat. Then they both sit down to a nice hardy meal.

Let me know what you think. Thkx.

Posted by: FartezDudmore

I already saw that one

Posted by: richardgovea | May 25, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

In addition to NYC, Chicago, Boston, DC, and Philadelphia would all be great cold weather host cities for a Superbowl. Not sure about New Soldier Field but the other three (Bos, DC and PHL) have new-ish stadiums that would suit a Superbowl crowd. Not sure if Baltimore has enough hotels, etc. to handle the crowds that would go along with a Superbowl (but Balt-DC metro area certainly would).

Posted by: manlius1 | May 25, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

wasn't that how they started the movie Jerry McGuire?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Manlius,
DC and Baltimore I figure would be close enough where thats not a problem.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Says here there are nine teams whose home fields are surfaced with FieldTurf, five teams with other artificial surfaces, and 18 playing on natural grass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_stadiums
(Click to sort the grid by "Surface")

I'd have to think the player's union would be complaining about a cancer risk from FieldTurf if one had been demonstrated. But maybe not, I dunno... but it seems to me the conventional wisdom on AstroTurf/old school synthetic grass was that it was conducive to more injuries than natural grass, which was one reason FieldTurf was developed in the first place... oh, blah blah blahdy blah...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | May 25, 2010 3:27 PM

Keep banging that drum Alex. Eventually 2025 will get here and you may get your wish. But until then, the Skins are playing at FedEx so get used to it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't see fieldturf as being a carcinogenic concern for the players. They have very limited exposure (three hours every week for on average of 9 weeks per year), it is in solid form, and is washed off when the player showers. The real concern would be if it got into the water supply or if it was used for practice facilities. Then it could involve near-daily exposure for 8 months or so out of the year, and therefore be more concerning/troublesome.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 25, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hello from sunny SoCal. Nice to be here and be back. I love this place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Nope, just pieces of Thesiman's tibia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 3:10 PM
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Sorry. Realized after I posted that Theisman broke his leg in RFK, not Giants stadium.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 3:12 PM

Don't worry about it. You've done a nice job of lowering expectations for yourself.

Welcome back Scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | May 25, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mack. have I missed anything important? Probably typical offseason crap. Hayney this and HGH that huh?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's me, but I sure do miss the days when the Skins were able to find and develop their own stars.

Reaching out to other teams' high-mileage former stars on the decline hasn't been a winning formula.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You have missed not a thing scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | May 25, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl at the new Meadowlands? Take cover, Daniel Snyder's head is about to explode.

I've got the over/under on a new stadium and a Super Bowl here at 7 years.

MistaMoe, what is your learned opinion?

Posted by: rgj21 | May 25, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Z

I am also excited for the NCAA Lax final four this weekend...you going?

Cornell may have a shot this year against ND. They did play MD tough though...I will root for your Cornell team, I hate the Irish.

Posted by: mhartz1 |

Bit too far, 3,000 miles and all. But yeah, how about ND making it this far? Lacrosse's westward expansion. I mean, its almost in another time zone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I ain't too worried about the receiver situation. We got several pass-catching weapons: Cooley, Davis, MK, DT, and Moss (when he returns if suspended), with the old men waiting in the wings.

This TO stuff is fodder for the media; TO apparently isn't a deep threat anymore and it's rumored can't shed bigger CB's or get off the line like he used to in press coverage. I don't think it's a matter of effort (TO's effort is beyond excellent), dude's just getting old.

The o-line MUST improve before the season or we're fukt. Defense will have a bumpy start but will do fine- we got many options and significant talent (xsept FS!) despite the all the fretting. Most of the pieces are in place on offense...hopefully we find dependable RG and RT on this team, emerging internally or acquired externally, otherwise we get our arses kicked in the NFC east.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | May 25, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS: ALBERT HAYNESWORTH DID NOT ATTEND OTA'S TODAY. MORE LATER.

Posted by: MadeRED | May 25, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayonaise, you said,
"The o-line MUST improve before the season or we're fukt."

indeed...let's not lose sight of that. we all knew that was the big weakness coming out of last year. i expected us to bring in all kinds of o-linemen, but shanny didn't SEEM as concerned as we did/are. hopefully he can "coach 'em up"....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey to receive Kennedy Center's Mark Twain Prize for American Humor

Really?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope somebody at Redskins Park see's those stats. They Blow! All of them.

Posted by: redskins_rule_2006 | May 25, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

zeke, that's a curious choice on the part of the Kennedy Center prize-awarding committee. But then, their previous selections add up to a pretty peculiar group.

Twain Prize recipients, in order of their awards:
Richard Pryor; Jonathan Winters; Carl Reiner; Whoopi Goldberg; Bob Newhart; Lily Tomlin; Lorne Michaels; Steve Martin; Neil Simon; Billy Crystal; George Carlin; Bill Cosby... and now Tina Fey.

Weird.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"The o-line MUST improve before the season or we're fukt."

indeed...let's not lose sight of that. we all knew that was the big weakness coming out of last year. i expected us to bring in all kinds of o-linemen, but shanny didn't SEEM as concerned as we did/are. hopefully he can "coach 'em up"....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch

Agreed. As one of the few not overly enthralled by the McNabb trade -- it was the OL issue that concerned me the most. We entered the offseason with 4 question marks spots on the OL -- a high 2nd rounder could have helped with that issue. We'll be a better team in 2010 because of the coach. But the OL is still more than suspect.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

indeed...let's not lose sight of that. we all knew that was the big weakness coming out of last year. i expected us to bring in all kinds of o-linemen, but shanny didn't SEEM as concerned as we did/are. hopefully he can "coach 'em up"....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 5:35 PM

True, Shanny seems fairly impressed with Big Mike Williams.

I am extremely curious how the O-line will perform, and if it will actually start the season as currently constituted.... because they're going to get a big test right off the bat.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

... Man, the Giants have an issue with their field already. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:52 PM


I heard alot today on sports radio about "how stupid is it to have the Superbowl in NY/NJ in non-covered stadium".

My take is that people are missing the point entirely - How stupid is it that $1.6 billion is being spent on the thing and they don't even have a retractable roof?

If Danny-boy ever builds a billion dollar monstrosity of his own in DC, the darn thing had better have a retractable roof.

Posted by: p1funk | May 25, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I hope somebody at Redskins Park see's those stats. They Blow! All of them.

Posted by: redskins_rule_2006 | May 25, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


Hey, look on the bright side!

How likely is it that a 30 year old NFL running back that is coming off of injuries is going to lose a step and/or get injured again the following seas...errr...never mind...

...no bright side...my bad.

Posted by: p1funk | May 25, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, I'm with you. I agree many QBs can perform better into their 30s, but most of those successful 30+ year old QBs are getting reasonable protection and/or have a high threat run game.


McNabb didn't look very special at all when the Iggles O-line couldn't keep the Cowpies rush off him.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

If Danny-boy ever builds a billion dollar monstrosity of his own in DC, the darn thing had better have a retractable roof.

Posted by: p1funk | May 25, 2010 6:09 PM

why???

personally like football played outdoors (on real grass, of course) and exposed to the elements.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
last year i always though we had much more urgent problems to address than quarterback. and i was "shocked" by the mcnabb trade. but once i got used to the idea that mcnabb was our quarterback i started thinking how he will make the line and receivers better....hopefully. (i DO think we'll have to accept a few more ints w/mcnabb than we're used to w/campbell.)

having said all that, i'm still concerned about the line itself.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

personally like football played outdoors (on real grass, of course) and exposed to the elements.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 6:16 PM
.......................

yeah! high-5! chest-bump! helmeted head-butt!

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

What does a veteran QB bring to a team in terms of Ws and Ls?

Vikings 2008:
Frerrote/Jackson - 10 -6 (1 playoff loss)

Vikings 2009
Favre (MVP-like season) - 12 - 4 (1 playoff win)

NY Jets 2007
Pennington - 4 -12

NY Jets 2008
Favre (pro-bowl) - 9 - 7 (missed playoffs)

NY Jets 2009
(rookie) Sanchez - 9 - 7 (2 playoff wins)


NE Patriots 2007
Brady (pro-bowl) - 16 - 0 (lost SB)

NE Patriots 2008
Cassel - 11 - 5 (No playoffs)

NE Patriots 2009
Brady (pro-bowl) - 10 -6 (lost 1 playoff game)


Food for thought.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe, what is your learned opinion?"


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Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'm saying it again: get rid of Parker and/or Johnson, get Westbrook. Out of all the backs we have here, not a one of 'em excels on 3rd down. Make the move. Make it now.

By the way...just read the Wise column. Not sure where exactly he's going with that...it reads more like a blog post than a column, but it is rather nice to see this new regime finally reaching out to the old school Skins and reconnecting with our glorious history. Hopefully this is the first step for the new school guys to claim their own piece of Redskins lore...in a good way.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

John Feinstein is awesome. Zero tolerance for BS.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

He's already posted to his daily limit (4) and will not return to this forum until sometime tomorrow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 6:47 PM |

Super good dude.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello from sunny SoCal. Nice to be here and be back. I love this place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 4:00 PM |

Just to let you know, the blog has improved measurably without your megaphone political opinions clanging in everyone's ears.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

hey ez fart, who left you in charge?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 25, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

yeah! high-5! chest-bump! helmeted head-butt!

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 6:35 PM

watch out for the horns, dude.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

last year i always though we had much more urgent problems to address than quarterback. and i was "shocked" by the mcnabb trade. but once i got used to the idea that mcnabb was our quarterback i started thinking how he will make the line and receivers better....hopefully. (i DO think we'll have to accept a few more ints w/mcnabb than we're used to w/campbell.)

having said all that, i'm still concerned about the line itself.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch

McNabb is a better QB than Campbell, no question he's an upgrade. But there were other questions that determine whether it was a good trade. To me, the OL impacts the pass and the run game. The QB only impacts the pass game.

1. How long does McNabb last? I searched for similar QBs in similar situations. The answer I got was about 4 years as primary starter, with those seasons about evenly divided between strong years, average years and not very good years.

2. How does McNabb impact other resources? This includes the 2nd round pick he was traded for, as well as his salary. Personally, the OL problem seemed overwhelming to me (we were the only team in the bottom 5 in sacks and yards per carry). In my view, only Dockery played solidly on our OL (and even his history is mixed), leaving 4 slots to fix. So could we have spent these resources (money/pick) elsewhere and gotten a bigger quality improvement on the OL? I think so.

3. How big is the upgrade? Significant, but I think people gave Campbell too much blame and he's still improving. Interestingly, McNabb, in his 15 starts last season, lost the same number of yards to sacks as Campbell did.

All in all, seems to me the resources would have been better spent on someone like Gaither of the Ravens or trading up to draft Pouncey (center) or Iupati.

And, just as a side note, the current guys projected as OL starters are, on average, the same age as last year (I did the comparison -- 29.0 last year, 28.8 for the projected starters in 2010). We didn't really get younger along the front line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

zeke, that's a curious choice on the part of the Kennedy Center prize-awarding committee. But then, their previous selections add up to a pretty peculiar group.

Twain Prize recipients, in order of their awards:
Richard Pryor; Jonathan Winters; Carl Reiner; Whoopi Goldberg; Bob Newhart; Lily Tomlin; Lorne Michaels; Steve Martin; Neil Simon; Billy Crystal; George Carlin; Bill Cosby... and now Tina Fey.

Weird.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Hard to argue any of the prior winners. And I think Tina Fey is great. 30 Rock is brilliant and her Palin act was both brilliant and had an impact beyond the comedy itself.

But Tina Fey ahead of Woody Allen or Mel Brooks (whose comedy careers goes far beyond their impressive film lists)?

Ahead of James L Brooks (major role in Taxi, Mary Tyler Moore and The Simpsons)?

Or Mary Tyler Moore?

Even Ellen DeGeneres has a better case (not just her TV shows, but Finding Nemo and as host of the Emmys/Oscars, including the first post 9-11 award show)

Or Jerry Seinfeld?

Or Dan Aykroyd? He was a part of the initial SNL team and lead in 2 classic comedy movies, Blues Brothers and Ghostbusters.

Or my own longshot choice, Matt Groening, creator of Life in Hell and that TV show that's been on a while.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure our Redskins will do a lot better this year, with the competent coaches, and FO, but I am concerned with the age of some of the players we have signed.

Also, they say your only as good as your last performance. The last two games I saw McNabb play, the regular season finale against the cowbiches, and then next they played again in round 1 of the playoffs. I don't know about anybody else, but McNabb played like sh*t. I know Dallas was responsible for some of that, but still?

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 25, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello from sunny SoCal. Nice to be here and be back. I love this place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 4:00 PM |

Just to let you know, the blog has improved measurably without your megaphone political opinions clanging in everyone's ears.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 7:35 PM

...and would improve immeasurably if you would leave permanently. I don't recall ever caring what you thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The last two games I saw McNabb play, the regular season finale against the cowbiches, and then next they played again in round 1 of the playoffs. I don't know about anybody else, but McNabb played like sh*t.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 25, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Not to worry. The dude was playing his way out of Philly, them not giving him a contract extension being the last straw. Plus he had already gotten a wink and a nod from Shanny.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

NNNNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! No B'West!!! You'll look horrible in those racist uniforms!!!!

Posted by: Dog11 | May 25, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 25, 2010 8:30 PM

proof is in the pudding, and such... let's wait and see.

share your concerns, but hesitant to make predictions about performance during the regular season, since we still have a roster to assemble and train.

McNabb's performance will depend on the whole complement of players. he's certainly an upgrade at QB for now.

haven't been following the news (or lack thereof) lately, but would like to hear more about positions that have audition candidates on the bubble... although we might not know much until the deadline to trim the roster for camp.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"...OL starters are, on average, the same age as last year (I did the comparison -- 29.0 last year, 28.8 for the projected starters in 2010). We didn't really get younger along the front line."

Posted by: zcezcest1
....................
did you figure who we started with (samuels and thomas) or who we ended with for last year's line?

good points on the QB and o-line, though i might quibble with: "To me, the OL impacts the pass and the run game. The QB only impacts the pass game."

one could probably make the argument that a good passer keeps the 8th man out of "the box", making it easier to run. i never felt like defenders thought campbell could hurt them. like i said, i fully expected us to keep campbell and overhaul the line, but i'm optimistic about what's going on...but a bit concerned with the line.... in shanny i trust....(for now).

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

F-Dallas

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 25, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

All in all, seems to me the resources would have been better spent on someone like Gaither of the Ravens or trading up to draft Pouncey (center) or Iupati.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 7:52 PM |

If you have to choose between McNabb and one of them it isn't really a choice. With McNabb the offense has a chance to perform well, with whoever else you would have at QB the chances of performing well are very slim even with one of them. The QB position is a huge difference maker relative to any line position even LT, in terms of an average player vs. a superior player. If you need an example just look at GB. Superior QB and below average line and LT.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 25, 2010 8:46 PM

amen.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

...and would improve immeasurably if you would leave permanently. I don't recall ever caring what you thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 8:37 PM |

Hey, at least I don't hammer dudes over the head with icky political dogma. This is a sports blog. Post an idea or opinion about the Skins and defend it with counter arguments if challenged. End of story.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

gotta say, "pouncey" is a great name...to bad he's not on defense.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

...and would improve immeasurably if you would leave permanently. I don't recall ever caring what you thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 8:37 PM |

Hey, at least I don't hammer dudes over the head with icky political dogma. This is a sports blog. Post an idea or opinion about the Skins and defend it with counter arguments if challenged. End of story.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 8:56 PM |

Hey jackmonkey, go back and read the blogs from a few days before my migration. I clearly stated that I was leaving the politics off the blog from now on so stop fighting a non-existent battle. You want to talk about counter arguments? Save 'em for when there is need for one. You have not come up with an original thought here. And by the way, I need your permission or approval for nothing. If I want to go political, believe me, you will not be the one to prevent me from doing it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

watch out for the horns, dude.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 7:50 PM |

Are you a Texas longhorn? Them horns are nasty!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

you will not be the one to prevent me from doing it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 9:02 PM |

Hey one thing this blog doesn't lack is annoying a-holes. But sometimes they up and leave of their own accord. Like your buddy periculum and that 'hyphen' jagoff.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Are you a Texas longhorn? Them horns are nasty!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:02 PM

bottom line is that I'm a humble cow from Idaho with wicked horns when needed, mainly interested in the 'skins. search the archive for further explanation.

lived in Texas for a single year as a young calf.... still love to hang out in Austin and San Antonio when I have a chance.

but to be completely clear, there is no love lost between cows and clownboys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuaS8BLf64Q

F Dallas.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

gotta say, "pouncey" is a great name...to bad he's not on defense.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 9:01 PM |

And playing for the Lions, Jags or Cougs.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

F-Dallas

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 25, 2010 8:46 PM

Now there's a sentiment I can cotton to ... I think its one of the immutable constants that gives me comfort and grounds me in reality ... its like gravity. F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey one thing this blog doesn't lack is annoying a-holes. But sometimes they up and leave of their own accord. Like your buddy periculum and that 'hyphen' jagoff.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:10 PM |

Not surprised that your mistake went uncommented on. That's okay. And you're right about the a*hole thing. The a*holes that annoy me the most are the ones that comment on crap that was put to rest weeks ago. They're the worst.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

search the archive for further explanation.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:13 PM

Dude - you expect me to search 50 threads to find a cow story? Can you be more precise, like a specific day or thereabouts?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Using the former moniker is far less fun than I thought it would be, dcsween.

Posted by: TheCindy | May 25, 2010 3:18 PM

This current moniker is too long ... how about simply "The"?

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Hello from sunny SoCal. Nice to be here and be back. I love this place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 4:00 PM |

Just to let you know, the blog has improved measurably without your megaphone political opinions clanging in everyone's ears.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 7:35 PM

Yeah, and this d*ckwalla is almost definitely hooked up with the Post, in some way shape or form, probably the webbie, as soon as I post a semi-censorable comment, it gets ZAPPED!! But if this idiot makes a far worse, more heinious curse, he's allowed to SAY ANYTHING, F*** AL Y'ALL, FAKE AMERICAN FREEDOM OF SPEECH BULLSH*T, BIG MONEY ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER THE F*** IT WANTS, F**** YOU...

Westbrook prolly bein' in the cards cuz (i hope not) Portis might be the "Big Name" HGH abuser, n'est-ce pas?? ? ...f***...

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:22 PM

follow and contribute to the discussion, but don't expect me to do your work.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I see frak hasn't missed a step. Certainly 13 short of a dozen that guy. Hey Frak, the meds dude, the meds.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

When the "hyphen dude" goes missing for a few days I worry about the old guy. The poor bastard has so many co-morbidities that he's already living on borrowed time. I can only hope we all make it to his advanced age.

Get Well T_E, L-S, beep-beep.

No seriously, say something semi witty and snarky so those who care (me & ?) know you're ok.

This is for you Old Man..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVC2cszdTao

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:22 PM

follow and contribute to the discussion, but don't expect me to do your work.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:26 PM |

This guy seems to be lacking in the following along department.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

as soon as I post a semi-censorable comment, it gets ZAPPED!!

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 9:24 PM

wondering if your link to an exploding head the other day caused the WaPo censors to clamp down... still waiting for my relatively tame BGH/mastitis post to come through.

in any case, must attempt to sign off for the evening. moo-in-law will be rounded up tomorrow, then shipped back to DC for the next while.

in anticipation, at this exact moment I'm pouring a chelada and tipping to yours somewhere in the ether.

cheers and g'night all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

follow and contribute to the discussion, but don't expect me to do your work.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 25, 2010 9:26 PM |

#$%@!*&%.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:

Federal authorities investigating allegations that Lance Armstrong and other top cyclists engaged in doping are considering whether they can expand the investigation beyond traditional drug distribution charges to include ones involving fraud and conspiracy, according to two people briefed on the investigation. The authorities, who are in the early stages of their investigation, are seeking to determine whether Armstrong, the owners and managers of his former cycling teams and his teammates conspired to defraud their sponsors by doping to improve their performances and garner more money and prizes, one of the people said.

Is Armstrong the next biggie athlete to be brought down by a drug scandal? Some dark clouds are starting to form on the horizon.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, moodlymoodlymoo ,
You'd have to be a lactating twit to bring the child onto THIS freakin' planet, like the assassinated George Carlin say'd, This planet is going to be a smoldering ball of ash in twenty years, why the F*** would you bring a kid into it?? I just love these saber-rattling Republicans and their anti-birth control dimwit herding church programs, what a sorry-a** batch of GodBots..And F*** YOU, scampbell webbie, may you be buried with Goebbels on Gotterdammerung, PFFFFFT!!!!

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

This is for you Old Man..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVC2cszdTao

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 9:34 PM

A million+ views and he didn't have to get naked or rack himself up. Not too shabby.

Great Sopranos line. "HE OWNS LIONEL"

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 25, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

If you don't find frak entertaining then that's on you.

I probably wouldn't invite him over to my palatial estate but I would definitely buy him a beer if I bumped into him or send him a few Budweiser’s in the mail without a senders address.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Is Brian Westbrook still in play for Redskins?

Is Michael Westbrook still in play for the Redskins?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

WJW! 85-84 at the end of 3rd?

Damn you, Soccer, and your actually meaningful scoring construct!

If you can't see how this is tantamount to 0-0, you're just kidding yourselves.

Yawn.


Posted by: SMACK1 | May 25, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

So around this point, one team pulls away, and there you have your 1-0 victory.

Is the Lost finale still on?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 25, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Good game , but I think 4-2 series for both Lakers/Celtics is about right..

We love them Redskins good times and bad, though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAoilO0Bh0

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

All in all, seems to me the resources would have been better spent on someone like Gaither of the Ravens or trading up to draft Pouncey (center) or Iupati.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 7:52 PM |

If you have to choose between McNabb and one of them it isn't really a choice. With McNabb the offense has a chance to perform well, with whoever else you would have at QB the chances of performing well are very slim even with one of them. The QB position is a huge difference maker relative to any line position even LT, in terms of an average player vs. a superior player. If you need an example just look at GB. Superior QB and below average line and LT.

Posted by: FartezDudmore

No doubt the QB is most important, but its hard to do much without an OL. For us, the OL is a 2-3 year rebuilding project and by using the 2nd rounder on McNabb, I think it set us back a year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, moodlymoodlymoo ,
You'd have to be a lactating twit to bring the child onto THIS freakin' planet, like the assassinated George Carlin say'd, This planet is going to be a smoldering ball of ash in twenty years, why the F*** would you bring a kid into it?? I just love these saber-rattling Republicans and their anti-birth control dimwit herding church programs, what a sorry-a** batch of GodBots..And F*** YOU, scampbell webbie, may you be buried with Goebbels on Gotterdammerung, PFFFFFT!!!!

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 9:55 PM |

Dude has lost it. He's right though, he definitely shouldn't be bringing children into this world. Frak, your perinoid (yes peri, I'm pretty sure you 2 are the same)rants have grown old and stale. They are no longer even amusing as much as they are sad and disjointed. I seriously hope you seek some help because you are dangerously close to needing commitment and hard core sedatives. Mental health disorders are no laughing matter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"No doubt the QB is most important, but its hard to do much without an OL. For us, the OL is a 2-3 year rebuilding project and by using the 2nd rounder on McNabb, I think it set us back a year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 "

This post troubles me because I know that zcezcest1 is a bonafide Redskin fan ( we at CIA believe everything we read)... No doubt , we are FA huntin' fer the dopest OL and WR we can catch off the reef in the released fishies period comin' up, but BASICALLY, if you want to make the McNabb NAB SOUND, you have GOT TO SURROUND HIM WITH PROTECTION...PERIOD...GO FOR OFFENSIVE LINE...

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Is Brian Westbrook still in play for Redskins?

Is Michael Westbrook still in play for the Redskins?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | May 25, 2010 10:33 PM | Report

How about Byron Westbrook?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 25, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked earlier about the age of the OL's that I compared. It was 2009 finishers vs forecast 2010 starters.

But why not do the whole starting offense? Last year's opening day, closing day and 2010 forecast.

Age as of Sept 1, 2009:
OL: Samuels 32, Dockery 28, Rabach 31, Thomas 33, Heyer 25
Receivers: Kelly 23, Moss 30, ARE 30, Cooley 27
Backs: Campbell 27, Portis 28

OL avg: 29.8
Offense avg: 28.6

Age as of Dec 31, 2009
OL: Jones 30, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 29, Heyer 25
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 30, ARE 30, Davis 23
Backs: Campbell 28, Ganther 25

OL avg: 29.0
Offense avg: 27.7


Age as Sept 1, 2010
OL: T Williams 22, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 30, Hicks 31
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 31, Thomas 23, Davis 24
Backs: McNabb 33, Portis 29

OL avg: 28.8
Offense avg: 28.0

I did give my 2 cents before, and I'd have done the following differently. Kept Campbell and Q Ganther, traded 2nd round pick for Gaither (Ravens OT). If not that, trade 2nd round pick + something for M Pouncey (center, age 21) and replace Rabach, OK to go with Hicks at RT.

Sept 1, 2010
OL: T Williams 22, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, BMW 30, Gaither 24 (or TW, Dock, Pouncey, BMW, Hicks)
Receivers: Kelly 24, Moss 31, Thomas 23, Davis 24
Backs: Campbell 28, Ganther 26

My OL avg: 27.4 (or 26.6)
My offense avg: 26.6 (or 26.2)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Get Westbrook. This needs to happen.

Love that McNabb is planting roots here...makes me feel a lot better about his contract situation. As in, he'll be here beyond 2010.

Wow...I just realized I'm talking about McNabb and Westbrook on a Redskins blog-- which would have been unthinkable 6 months ago. Only in the NFL, my friends...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Holy crap it's slow up here today...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

No to Westbrook. The backfield is already a punch line and is 3 years past its prime.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, I get what you're saying but there's likely nothing happening in 2010 to make that backfield any younger. I think you get rid of Johnson and/or Parker and roll with Westbrook as the 3rd down back. Most up here seem to think Portis still has some tread on the tires so if that's true he gets 2/3 of the carries while Westbrook handles the rest.

Just makes sense to get a 3rd down back instead of going into the season with 3 workhorse runners that won't be getting workhorse carries.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Lakers vs. Celtics

To quote Lee Corso, "Not so fast my friends."

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, the Suns and Magic are only delaying the inevitable...if all else fails, the refs will make sure Lakers/Celtics becomes a reality.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

bw26- I'm guessing the reason Westbrook hasn't signed with anyone is he's waiting for a different contract/role. I'd take him on a deal similar to Parker/LJ. Either way I can't all three making the 53 roster. My guess is Parker gets sent packing.

I’d like to see what one of the undrafted guys can give us as the 3rd back.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I’d like to see what one of the undrafted guys can give us as the 3rd back.


Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 7:37 AM


So would I...but training camp and preseason is the time for them to shine. I don't see the harm in bringing Westbrook in, just in case those undrafted guys don't pan out. I mean, it could be those guys were undrafted for a reason.

So if they can beat out a proven 3rd down back, we KNOW they're worth their roster spot. Beating out a couple old guys that were never any good on 3rd down anyway isn't quite the same kinda evaluation.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Heck guys, Shanahan isn't planning on throwing the ball until October. That's why he needs as many horse in the stable as he can get.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"I get what you're saying but there's likely nothing happening in 2010 to make that backfield any younger."


Is youth as important where running backs are concerned or carries over a given period?

I'd say carries matter more than age.

Despite his age, Ricky Williams hasn't had a lot of carries, and still has a nice burst to daylight.

I'd love to see Ricky Williams in our backfield.

But that won't happen.

Portis and Johnson have had way more carries than Parker.

But contractually, the team is kinda sorta committed to Johnson and definately to Portis.

This leads a right thinking person to believe the running backs will be Portis/Johnson/Williams or Torian with Parker cut.

And as for Brian Westbrook, I doubt his head is clear enough to make sense of any of this, either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

the Suns and Magic are only delaying the inevitable...if all else fails, the refs will make sure Lakers/Celtics becomes a reality.

Posted by: brownwood26

Suns?


Please. Everyone had them dead to rights after they went down 0-2, and now all the sudden they're the favorites?

The Suns did what they're supposed to do. Hold home court.

The series is now 0-0.

It's now must see TV. The game was thrilling last night up until the Suns went on a 18-3 run.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Now we know the real reason fat albert can't/won't come to redskins park. He was too busy being and outstanding citizen in other parts of the country......
Washington Redskins star Albert Haynesworth is being sued for $10 million by a Brooklyn exotic dancer who claims he impregnated her -- then abandoned her.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/pregnant_ex_suing_nfl_star_wAQtcZIMdFaM4QRa15D8KM#ixzz0p2HX4jQa

Posted by: klangley69 | May 26, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Now we know the real reason fat albert can't/won't come to redskins park. He was too busy being and outstanding citizen in other parts of the country......
Washington Redskins star Albert Haynesworth is being sued for $10 million by a Brooklyn exotic dancer who claims he impregnated her -- then abandoned her.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/pregnant_ex_suing_nfl_star_wAQtcZIMdFaM4QRa15D8KM#ixzz0p2HX4jQa

Posted by: klangley69 | May 26, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Wow...AH is getting it from every angle nowadays:

Haynesworth faces paternity suit
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 26, 2010 7:29 AM ET
Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is being sued by a pregnant woman who claims that he is the father of her unborn baby and that he is refusing to support her financially.

The New York Post reports that Silvia Mena, described as a "Brooklyn exotic dancer," is nearly four months pregnant and claims in papers to be filed in Brooklyn Supreme Court that Haynesworth has refused to have any contact with her after learning she was pregnant in February.

"Haynesworth has abandoned the pregnant Silvia Mena," the court papers say. "He has refused to provide any emotional or financial support of Silvia Mena or his unborn child."

Her lawyer, Salvatore Strazzullo, told the Post, "This man is worth millions. She has had to apply for Medicaid to take care of her pregnancy."

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Time to get rid of Haynesworth. Everyone knows you have to wear a condom (or five) if you're going to mess around with a stripper.

Posted by: Section104 | May 26, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Good point Moe...that's the logic behind why Thomas Jones is playing the best ball of his career despite being on the wrong side of 30.

And it's also why I think Portis is done...if not this year, certainly next year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Signs of the times

I remember when the NFL just wished people attend there games.
Where tough men delt with the elements.
I remember watching the Vikings game where thing just looked frozen the players,the crowd and field lol. A time when all the fields were grass! Concussions every player had one! Cold you just threw a blanket across the legs and drank your beverage from your flask.

Now to the present thing they call the NFL!
It's a rackett! Not the game i loved just some over price HYPE!

OH YOU KNOW SHANAHAN NOT GOING TO WIN ANYTHING SO IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE RB WILL BE.

Posted by: shamken | May 26, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow, now I know why Haynesworth is acting like a baby, cause he's too busy having them!!!
How can you expect a man to be grown up enough to take care of his responsibilities with his job if he can't even take care of his own kid! Of course, it could all be a bunch of horse sh*t, if she's an 'exotic dancer' Fat Al might not be the only 'pole' she's swung on if you know what I mean!

Posted by: monk811 | May 26, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

It's a rackett! Not the game i loved just some over price HYPE!

Posted by: shamken | May 26, 2010 8:07 AM


For the record, anyone over the age of 50 can say that exact same phrase in regards to just about anything nowadays. You've got two options: accept change or hit the abort switch on yourself. Choose wisely...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

If true, Haynesworth is an idiot for raw-dogging a stripper. Bone 'em? Sure! No rubber? NO WAY!


It's bad enough when you're John Q. Citizen and not strapping it up, but to do it as a multi-millionaire athlete is just beyond stupid.

If it is his, he needs to own up to his responsibilities. There are too many black men that are not taking care of their kids. It's nothing short of a damn shame.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's gotta be smiling a little at this story! At least HALF of his $40 million will be going to Little Al!!!

Posted by: monk811 | May 26, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

If true, Haynesworth is an idiot for raw-dogging a stripper. Bone 'em? Sure! No rubber? NO WAY!


It's bad enough when you're John Q. Citizen and not strapping it up, but to do it as a multi-millionaire athlete is just beyond stupid.

If it is his, he needs to own up to his responsibilities. There are too many black men that are not taking care of their kids. It's nothing short of a damn shame.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:17 AM
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You know what would be great? If you took Haynesworth, Rothliesberger and Pacman out clubbing one night it would be a night to remember - once they got you out of jail, settled all of the paternity suits, paid off all of the alleged rape victims, healed any stomped necks, removed all bullets, etc.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow...AH is getting it from every angle nowadays:

Haynesworth faces paternity suit
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 26, 2010 7:29 AM ET
Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is being sued by a pregnant woman who claims that he is the father of her unborn baby and that he is refusing to support her financially.

The New York Post reports that Silvia Mena, described as a "Brooklyn exotic dancer," is nearly four months pregnant and claims in papers to be filed in Brooklyn Supreme Court that Haynesworth has refused to have any contact with her after learning she was pregnant in February.

"Haynesworth has abandoned the pregnant Silvia Mena," the court papers say. "He has refused to provide any emotional or financial support of Silvia Mena or his unborn child."

Her lawyer, Salvatore Strazzullo, told the Post, "This man is worth millions. She has had to apply for Medicaid to take care of her pregnancy."

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 7:56 AM
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Just part of the offseason conditioning program folks... nothing to see here, move along...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

If true, Haynesworth is an idiot for raw-dogging a stripper. Bone 'em? Sure! No rubber? NO WAY!


Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:17 AM


This seems like a bit of a misconception...wouldn't hookers be the dirty ones, rather than strippers? I mean, just because a woman is so confident in her body that she's willing to show it off for an obscene amount of one dollar bills doesn't mean that she's also engaging in actual intercourse for money. In my experience, strippers tend not to have random sex with strangers, but a steady boyfriend who routinely mistreats and abuses them, both physically and emotionally.

Wow...I'm waaay off the beaten path now. I'll just stick with, "Yeah! Haynesworth is an idiot!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Signs of the times

I remember when the NFL just wished people attend there games.
Where tough men delt with the elements.
I remember watching the Vikings game where thing just looked frozen the players,the crowd and field lol. A time when all the fields were grass! Concussions every player had one! Cold you just threw a blanket across the legs and drank your beverage from your flask.

Now to the present thing they call the NFL!
It's a rackett! Not the game i loved just some over price HYPE!

OH YOU KNOW SHANAHAN NOT GOING TO WIN ANYTHING SO IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE RB WILL BE.


Posted by: shamken

Concussions aren't anything to dismiss, or to be nostalgic over.

Read up on how the brain looks at age 50 after multiple concussions. A 50 year old brain will look like an 80 year old.


And that "beverage" in the flask really doesn't keep you warm in cold weather. Since alcohol causes you to actually lose body heat, it does more harm than good.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

f true, Haynesworth is an idiot for raw-dogging a stripper. Bone 'em? Sure! No rubber? NO WAY!


Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:17 AM


This seems like a bit of a misconception...wouldn't hookers be the dirty ones, rather than strippers? I mean, just because a woman is so confident in her body that she's willing to show it off for an obscene amount of one dollar bills doesn't mean that she's also engaging in actual intercourse for money. In my experience, strippers tend not to have random sex with strangers, but a steady boyfriend who routinely mistreats and abuses them, both physically and emotionally.

Wow...I'm waaay off the beaten path now. I'll just stick with, "Yeah! Haynesworth is an idiot!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:28 AM
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Yeah, I agree with you Brownwood. All the strippers I've met are virgins, and a unicorn visits my back yard every night and frak isn't really on drugs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be great? If you took Haynesworth, Rothliesberger and Pacman out clubbing one night it would be a night to remember - once they got you out of jail, settled all of the paternity suits, paid off all of the alleged rape victims, healed any stomped necks, removed all bullets, etc.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:23 AM


LOL...this would be America's answer to Godzilla!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"...wouldn't hookers be the dirty ones, rather than strippers?"

Question:

What's the difference between a hooker and a stripper?

Answer:

The quality of the hotel they like to do their true business in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be great? If you took Haynesworth, Rothliesberger and Pacman out clubbing one night it would be a night to remember - once they got you out of jail, settled all of the paternity suits, paid off all of the alleged rape victims, healed any stomped necks, removed all bullets, etc.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:23 AM


LOL...this would be America's answer to Godzilla!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:34 AM
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I bet Goodell wakes up in cold sweats after having that nightmare.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

**Sex-ED post**


Tru, brown. Just because a woman strips doesn't mean that she's dirty.

I just never believed in piping random chicks WITHOUT strapping it up. Your main squeeze? Sure raw dog and bareback that thing all day! But with a random or chick I had "a couple of encounters with" (especially if it isn't on the regular) I'm reaching for the golden ticket every time.


**End Sex-ED post**

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

It's been my experience that strippers all have a sad story and only half of them are telling the truth. There are a group of common denominators with strippers that I have found: pretty women, drugs, sex, money. Seems like you had to have the money or the drugs to get the other two, but that is just my experience.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I bet Goodell wakes up in cold sweats after having that nightmare.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 8:40 AM


Goodell? He's last on the list! More like every "scrip" club owner, college girl, and stripper in the country wakes up in cold sweats after that nightmare!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be great? If you took Haynesworth, Rothliesberger and Pacman out clubbing one night it would be a night to remember - once they got you out of jail, settled all of the paternity suits, paid off all of the alleged rape victims, healed any stomped necks, removed all bullets, etc.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Dwayne Bowe and his people do it the right way.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Good call Red...that's part of the reason I couldn't run around on my wife. I haven't used a rubber in damn near 6 years, and I'd have a hard time going back to that. Once you go bareback, you don't go back...

Oh, and the moral stuff too.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

...In my experience, strippers tend not to have random sex with strangers, ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:28 AM


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That's precisely what most of them do. Strip clubs are for meeting clients.

The next time you are in a club and one of the strippers comes up to "talk" to you.

Just tell her you "forgot" your $1 bills at the hotel, exchange numbers and go tell your friends about it over breakfast at Dennys the next day.

Posted by: Vicc | May 26, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"...wouldn't hookers be the dirty ones, rather than strippers?"

Question:

What's the difference between a hooker and a stripper?

Answer:

The quality of the hotel they like to do their true business in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 8:39 AM


`

*chuckle*

Good Sh!t

You explained it better than I did!

Posted by: Vicc | May 26, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of strippers... anybody remember this song??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p64FvyOBj4

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 26, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Vicc

That's the old game I used to play.

Another is to let a girl you want know you're waiting for the end of her shift to get her last dances.

Even if she's made money, she'll be down for whatever if you're a guy she's gotten to know.

And I used to know a lot of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The next time you are in a club and one of the strippers comes up to "talk" to you.

Just tell her you "forgot" your $1 bills at the hotel, exchange numbers and go tell your friends about it over breakfast at Dennys the next day.

Posted by: Vicc | May 26, 2010 8:53 AM


Maybe times have changed, but when I went to strip joints they didn't come "talk" to you unless you were peeling off a bunch of bills for them. Guys showing up empty handed usually leave the same way.

But I will try your little trick...for educational purposes, of course.

Anything for science!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, scampbell's the webbie...Can't post anything cuz it gets censored...Thanks, Washington Censor..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"Maybe times have changed, but when I went to strip joints they didn't come "talk" to you unless you were peeling off a bunch of bills for them."

If you're a steady customer of one or two girls, they'll certainly remember you, and cut you some slack as you've established a business relationship.

Then you go for the late night, early morning hook up.

And soon as you've done the dirty deed, you end the relationship, and, like the song says, you move on to the next one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Dwayne Bowe and his people do it the right way.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 8:50 AM
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It sucks to be him. These guys are living life large, aren't they?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 26, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow..."Life Lessons from Moe" in full effect this morning.

You should look into writing a book, my friend. Haha

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"This seems like a bit of a misconception......"

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:28 AM
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haha...good one... mis-conception. AH hopes it wasn't HIS conception...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 26, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

"You should look into writing a book, my friend."

Thanks for the compliment, bro'.

I got a lot of what I like to call 'dirty, dirty skills' that I share with young'ns as the onset of 50 has slowed me down a great deal.

The last lesson about dealing with girls in the exotic entertainment industry is that the able playa must not fall in love with someone whose job is pretend love.

There are these sad cats that abuse their bank accounts trying to win the heart of a stripper who's playing him like a guitar, and they're Jimi Hendrix.

I used to go into a club with just enough money for a dance and two drinks.

Never get drunk in a strip club.

Don't tip a chick unless you want to establish a relationship. Otherwise, you're wasting money.

I'd tell them what was up if they wanted to get paid, as the dancing thing isn't as satisfying as the hotel action thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If I had the bread, judging from my travels, I'd be importing tail from all over the country.

Miami tail
Atlanta tail
Chicago tail
LA tail
NY tail
Memphis tail

I'm sure I'm forgetting or leaving out some other cities, but I seen some of the finest in these cities.

And D.C./MV too of course.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Confucius say: Man who eat stripper have 'crabby' day!

Posted by: monk811 | May 26, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, moodlymoo, that was rude, God Bless "Ye With Children"...even if they are doomed...But they make great menial slaves until then...

I just got back from the lab and I think Flozell would be a good pickup..He might not have it in the tank for an entire season , but he'd be effective for doing spot duty for injuries..It would be behoovin' to sign him to a one year deal until Selvish and crew are up to par...Now, if you'll excuse me, the purple microdot beckons...peaceout..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I hate the sanctimonious hole-ier than thou anti-abortion shtick..F*** that, the girl's just out for a truckload of cabbage, she could give a sh*t about "the Baby"..Just shed the fruit from your size 38 beer belly, jesus...You know what they say, Albert, "one rotten apple"...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This seems like a bit of a misconception...wouldn't hookers be the dirty ones, rather than strippers? I mean, just because a woman is so confident in her body that she's willing to show it off for an obscene amount of one dollar bills doesn't mean that she's also engaging in actual intercourse for money. In my experience, strippers tend not to have random sex with strangers, but a steady boyfriend who routinely mistreats and abuses them, both physically and emotionally.

Wow...I'm waaay off the beaten path now. I'll just stick with, "Yeah! Haynesworth is an idiot!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 26, 2010 8:28 AM |

I've known a LOT of strippers and I would say it's not so much confidence in their bodies (although there is that) as some serious daddy or other male role model issues. Many of them were readily available in hotel rooms for a price beyond money. Hust depended on their substance of choice. Ecstasy was a good bet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

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