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Joey Porter picks Cardinals over Redskins

It appears the Redskins' search for an outside linebacker - or any type of linebacker - will continue after Joey Porter agreed to join the Arizona Cardinals, according to multiple reports Friday.

The Redskins were in contract talks with Porter, an 11-year veteran who spent the past three seasons with the Miami Dolphins, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. But the Redskins, in a stark departure from their former free-spending ways, have taken a fiscally conservative approach to free agency this offseason.

Linebacker Larry Foote, who likely would have been used as an inside linebacker, also recently visited the complex but left without signing a contract. He subsequently reached a deal to return to the Pittsburgh Steelers, with whom he began his career.

As for Porter, who reportedly signed a three-year deal with the Cardinals, the Redskins apparently viewed him as a good fit to play the outside linebacker spot opposite impressive young player Brian Orakpo. Porter, 32, played under Washington defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and linebacker coach Lou Spanos when they all were with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Contract terms of Porter's deal with the Cardinals were not immediately available. With the Dolphins last season, Porter had a base salary of $4.8 million and also received a $200,000 workout bonus. Porter's sack total decreased from a career-high 17.5 in 2008 to nine last season.

Indicating their lack of depth at outside linebacker, the Redskins moved versatile defensive lineman Lorenzo Alexander to the position. Defensive end Andre Carter, who might be traded, struggled during his only season as a linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.
In speaking with Arizona reporters last week, Porter, who was born in Bakersfield, California, seemed to indicate he preferred to play on the West Coast. Perhaps his visit to Ashburn prompted the Cardinals to give him a little more green. It sure seemed to work for Green Bay tackle Chad Clifton.

By Jason Reid  |  March 19, 2010; 7:32 PM ET
Categories:  3-4 defense , Free agency  | Tags: joey porter, linebackers  
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Comments

not sure that's such a bad thing......

Posted by: cancunlizzard | March 19, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

C'MON MAN! How many chances does JC get???Yes, the Oline was bad the the QB has to help the Oline too. JC needs to shut up and produce!!!

This is year SIX!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge


JC backers/apologists will give him infinite chances it seems. He is so average, yes, build a great, not good, o-line, and have two stud RB's, like he had in college and he'll still be average, but he'll win more.
Wow. I want a difference maker at QB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 19, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"Joey Porter spurns Redskins for Cardinals"

Interesting caption, J.R.

I'll fix it for you...

"Redskins wouldn't overpay for aging malcontent."

Or

“Washed up headache gets a big payday from Cards.”

Or better yet

“Shanny/Allen are sticking to their plan as they build for the Future.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

What plan

Posted by: joevick2 | March 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

It's that type of title that makes JR look like an A-Hole.

He spurned us whatever, Arizona offered a higher contract so he went there.

This is a good thing I was for signing him for the right price, but he wanted to much it looks like.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

What plan

Posted by: joevick2 | March 19, 2010 7:51 PM |

joe,

Your right we should sign all these old vets to big contracts, because that worked so well in the past.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

What plan

Posted by: joevick2 | March 19, 2010 7:51 PM

The plan that you don't build a team with overpaid 30+ year old players. Not sure if you remember the early 90's, I’ll summarize…it doesn't work.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

For once teams are using us to get more money from others. What a change of managerial style. Doesn't guarantee success but at least we won't be overpaying for mediocrity.

Posted by: tundey | March 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Stop it Flounder, get out of my head..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps his visit to Ashburn prompted the Cardinals to give him a little more green. It sure seemed to work for Green Bay tackle Chad Clifton".

It's that type of title that makes JR look like an A-Hole.

He spurned us whatever, Arizona offered a higher contract so he went there.

This is a good thing I was for signing him for the right price, but he wanted to much it looks like.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. The old regime would overpay and not even think twice about it. It's not like the Skins couldn't offer more ducketts, it's just refreshing to see they choose not to.

Posted by: k_square | March 19, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't a big fan of Joey P coming to the Skins. However, I wa a little disappointed in that Barry Sims left w/o a contract. I know he's 35, but he was solid last year with the 49ers in both the run and pass. Maybe they still get him.

Here's an idea. The Raiders are sour (or they don't want to pay) Kirk Morrison. Carter is a Bay area guy. Let's get something done there.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

so You all like the Running back and the QB we signed for they are just as old as Porter and they both are over the hill that what Scouts inc says so I guess with that we are on our way

Posted by: joevick2 | March 19, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I want a difference maker at QB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 19, 2010 7:41 PM


Yeah, you and the fans of the other 31 teams.

Doesn't mean you get rid of a decent starting QB just because he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Oh, and when you locate the tree where both money and franchise QBs are grown, be sure to send me the coordinates.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 19, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Glad we took a pass on that JERK !

UPDATE: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals will pay Porter $17.5 million over three years, with a max value of $24.5 million. Depending on the structure, that looks like a panicked deal that won't go well for Arizona.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 19, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this was posted already but:

"San Francisco 49ers veteran free agent offensive tackle Barry Sims completed his visit with the Washington Redskins and is headed back to the Bay Area, according to a league source.


Per our source, the visit went very well and contract discussions were held.


Sims, 35, is going to weigh his options this weekend and talk it over with his wife.


A decision is expected within the next few days.


Sims started seven games last season for the 49ers and played in all 16 games.


Sims has started 134 career games, spending his entire career in the Bay Area.


The 6-foot-5, 300-pounder played for the Oakland Raiders for nine seasons before signing with San Francisco two years ago."

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. I want a difference maker at QB! Posted by: 1965skinsfan"

I think what the team needs is a difference maker at left tackle.

Amazes me how folks can acknowledge the absence of effective blocking while at the same time disparaging the quarterback for spending most of the season running for his life.

Can't have it both ways, bwana.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"so You all like the Running back and the QB we signed for they are just as old as Porter and they both are over the hill that what Scouts inc says so I guess with that we are on our way Posted by: joevick2"

Mind repeating that in English this time?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

wow, i feel so spurned.

Posted by: wewbank1 | March 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

No Qb will be successful unless the offense can:

a) run the ball,
b) give him (or her) time to throw, and
4) has receivers that can run precise routes and catch the ball.

Question: Who else is available to replace JC17?

Answer: Rex Grossman

Is that competition? You decide (or discuss).

Selecting Qb at #4 would be anointing a new rookie Qb. I'm just guessing, but I don't believe Shannahan will go Qb unless perhaps Bradford drops to #4.

I think he'll pick best available player.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 19, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Agreed. The old regime would overpay and not even think twice about it. It's not like the Skins couldn't offer more ducketts, it's just refreshing to see they choose not to.Posted by: k_square"

Ducketts, as in TJ?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

wow, i feel so spurned.

Posted by: wewbank1 | March 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

And it doesn't wash off.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 19, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers spent most of the season on his back, but also put the ball in the endzone!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:07 PM


Or they could move McIntosh to the inside and see what he could do. He is the same size as Morrison and has proven to be productive when healthy.The Raiders just picked up Wimbley from the Browns and already have another 30 year old end in Seymour. I dont think they are in the market for anymore aging ends considering they got rid of Greg Ellis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Is Aaron Rodgers a free agent?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 19, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Man bring back Jason Lock In For Ah. You pretty much suck JR.

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 19, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Glad. In my opinion, nobody should make more than London Fletcher in the Linebacking corps. I could see Porter being a very very bad deal for the Skins.

Posted by: Thinker_ | March 19, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

In case bamas (Players and Media) didn't get the memo, this ain't the Cerrato decision making Redskins:

Part I

"It sure didn’t take long for Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen to begin remaking the Washington Redskins.

The changes have been swift and widespread in the 2 1/2 months since Shanahan was hired as the team’s coach and executive vice president. He’s been working alongside Allen, the new general manager, in the aftermath of a 4-12 season under the now-departed Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato.

“There’s a new sheriff in town,” former Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann said in a telephone interview Thursday. “Make no bones about it, Mike is going to run that ship in a very tight, disciplined way, and everyone will be held accountable.”

There’s the overhaul of the staff of assistants, a planned switch to a 3-4 defense, 100 percent attendance at voluntary offseason workouts this week—the sorts of things that might be expected.

Less anticipated? The suddenly measured approach to free agency under free-spending owner Dan Snyder, especially considering there is no salary cap.

“Everybody said, ‘It’s a non-capped year. Boy, those Washington Redskins, they’re going to go out and spend, spend, spend, spend, spend,”’ Theismann said. “But it’s one thing to have the ability to go and do it. It’s another to be able to have the patience to figure out what you need and do it the right way.”

As someone who came to the Redskins as a free agent himself, starting linebacker London Fletcher is familiar with how the team tends to operate in the offseason.

Not this time around, though.

“They always knew how to create excitement or anticipation during free agency in years past,” Fletcher said at Redskins Park. “But it’s a new regime here now.”

Instead of getting a LaDainian Tomlinson or Julius Peppers, say, the Redskins began the free-agent signing period with these pickups: offensive lineman Artis Hicks, who started only 13 games over the last three seasons with the Vikings; nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu, who spent last season on injured reserve with the Panthers; and tight end Sean Ryan, who has two touchdown catches in six NFL seasons.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Look at the silly title of this blog. I hope you don't wonder why you don't get any scoops from the team. You need to do better JR.

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 19, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer you look at 11.5 sacks and you see a player that can still produce. That's the bottom line. All this stuff about getting players over 30 is a fan issue. If a player can still produce, teams will want him (see Peppers). In addition when was the last time Carter was injured? Has he had major knee problems? What can a player bring to a team? These are things that should be considered.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Part II

“I guess it was a breath of fresh air, so to speak. Not thinking, ‘Oh, here we go again, same old situation, going out, trying to buy a championship,”’ Fletcher said. “So by them not doing that, being very deliberate in their approach to free agency, targeting the guys that they wanted to target, I was definitely excited about the way they approached it.”

Washington recently added running back Larry Johnson and quarterback Rex Grossman, two players who could push incumbent starters Clinton Portis and Jason Campbell, respectively.

Still, Johnson only was given a base pay of $3.5 million over three seasons, while Grossman got a one-year deal. Hardly the big-bucks payouts given to guys such as Deion Sanders and Adam Archuleta in the past, not to mention the $100 million, seven-year contract with $41 million guaranteed that defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth received a year ago.

“They’re being very judicious in where and how they spend their dollars,” Theismann said. “Your running back situation, you brought somebody in. Your quarterback situation, you brought someone in. Your offensive line situation, you brought people in. And they’re not costing you a lot of money. That’s the other side of it: Every person that’s been signed, it hasn’t been a bank-breaker, like with Albert last year.”

There are other differences all around these days—even in the weight room. About 20 pieces of equipment were removed, and a couple of power racks are on the way in, new strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright said, part of an effort to boost efficiency.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2010 8:24 PM


Rodgers sacks were more a result of him holding the ball too long vs. what happened here when teams teed off on JC at will.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Part III

More on-field changes are on the way.

First of all, there will be other player additions, of course—don’t forget, the Redskins cut 10 on the day before free agency began, a roster-slashing Fletcher called “very dramatic and drastic.”

So, for example, linebacker Joey Porter reportedly was on his way to Virginia for a visit, something Fletcher endorsed. And there is the not-so-insignificant matter of rebuilding the offensive line.

“We don’t know who’s going to be the left tackle,” Hicks said. “We don’t know who’s going to be the right tackle, and so forth.”

He’s one of those under-the-radar pickups in free agency, a guy who said Thursday “it’s too early” to know whether he will wind up playing tackle or guard for the Redskins.

Another key litmus test for “the new Redskins” looms with next month’s NFL draft.

Thanks to all of last season’s losing, the Redskins own the No. 4 pick in the first round. Will they address what is generally considered their biggest need and take a left tackle? Or will they take a quarterback with a household name, such as Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford of Oklahoma or Jimmy Clausen of Notre Dame?

Fletcher, for one, likes the way things are going so far.

“It’s a different feel around here with Coach Shanahan,” Fletcher said. “Just a different aura, different feeling. You can sense the excitement. Everybody’s excited about being here working … and preparing to win.”

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

“But it’s one thing to have the ability to go and do it. It’s another to be able to have the patience to figure out what you need and do it the right way.”

Nuff said.......but of course Theeseman loves to pontificate.

Posted by: k_square | March 19, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Lots of QBs have shown up at around age 30, especially if they get paired with the right coach.

Here's the tale of two QBs that played in DC. One got cast off, the other was kept. Both guys had mediocre careers until age 30, both were very successful after that.

From age 27-29, Joe Theismann had 3 seasons with a QB ratings of around 60.

From age 30 on, his QB rating were mostly around 80, with a couple seasons about 90.

Similar story with Rich Gannon. Rating bounced between 60 and 80 while in his 20's, and mostly in the 80's and 90's after he turned 30.

Both Theismann and Gannon played in Super Bowls, made Pro Bowls, etc -- none of which would be expected if you'd seen them play in their 20's.

Its worth keeping this in mind when looking at Campbell. For the 1st time, he has a combination of experience and a quality offensive coach. If Shanahan keeps him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:32 PM

I dont disagree with you about Carter, I was stating that it looks like the Raiders are trying to get younger at the position and probably wouldnt be interested in Carter.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Joey Porter spurns Redskins for Cardinals"

Interesting caption, J.R.

I'll fix it for you...

"Redskins wouldn't overpay for aging malcontent."

Or

“Washed up headache gets a big payday from Cards.”

Or better yet

“Shanny/Allen are sticking to their plan as they build for the Future.”


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

D44, You smacked that hammer right on the head with your arguments. Way to go. Reid you suck. Just like "Fletcher approves of Redskins approach to free agency." The connotation is wrong. Fletcher is in no position to "approve." Agree yes, approve no.

Posted by: getitritegov | March 19, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Based on that article I just posted...

F Jim Zorn.

I don't care if they he was pushed into the position, he the squad back with his stupid playcalling, lack of leadership, and inadequate decision making.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer cool. I'm still pissed off over the Hoyas. Bamas.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I dont disagree with you about Carter, I was stating that it looks like the Raiders are trying to get younger at the position and probably wouldnt be interested in Carter.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 8:37 PM

KingJJ- Hard to ever speculate what the Raiders might be doing. They're always a wildard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer cool. I'm still pissed off over the Hoyas. Bamas.

Posted by: TWISI


shouldn't be surprised Twizz, they do it every year.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

No big loss for the Skins not signing Porter, really didn't think he was a good fit for us anyway.

Posted by: ladyredskins | March 19, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV I know. That's the f'd up part.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- How far did you have JT3 taking the Hoyas?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

JC backers/apologists will give him infinite chances it seems. He is so average, yes, build a great, not good, o-line, and have two stud RB's, like he had in college and he'll still be average, but he'll win more.
Wow. I want a difference maker at QB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

I want a difference maker too, but Campbell will do for now. If the difference maker isn't in this draft, we wait. We're in a 2-3 year rebuilding project, so no rush. Going to take a while to remove Cerrato's imprint on this team.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 19, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

A month from the draft. By my count the Skins still need to find:

1 young QB of the future
2 starters on OL, and 1 swing G/T
1 young RB
1 WR (#5 ST)
1 backup NT
1 starter @ LB, 1 backup swing LB
1 CB
1 FS

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

JC needs a perfect pocket and wide open wide receivers...then he'll throw it.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- How far did you have JT3 taking the Hoyas?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 8:50 PM

Sweet 16

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

so You all like the Running back and the QB we signed for they are just as old as Porter and they both are over the hill that what Scouts inc says so I guess with that we are on our way

Posted by: joevick2 | March 19, 2010 8:08 PM

I'm not a grammar nazi...

LJ (30) and Grossman (29) are younger and much cheaper. Porter's (32) contract: $17.5 million over three years, with a max value of $24.5 million.

No Thanks..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- How far did you have JT3 taking the Hoyas?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 8:50 PM

Sweet 16

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:57 PM

I had Gtwon winning one and done...however, I have Villanova in the championship game..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Most threads criticize Campbell for dumping off but, how effective was Brady, Favre, and other elite QBs under intense pressure and lack of protection? Can Bradford take the punishment and abuse Campbell takes in the NFC east? How about other intangibles accorded Campbell, like willingness to scrambling for a first down? Why are some only see the negatives and nothing else?

Posted by: abxinc

I completely agree! I say give campbell a year to prove his worth! Hes a total warrior to keep competing when the line gave out 2 yrs in a row! He desrves a chance for that alone. Besides Shanny likes a big dude with a big arm anyhow. Please, Coach, draft two O-line with the first two picks!!!!!!!

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 19, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

C'MON MAN! How many chances does JC get???Yes, the Oline was bad the the QB has to help the Oline too. JC needs to shut up and produce!!!

This is year SIX!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2010 7:26 PM

Wins and Losses. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 19, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2010 8:56 PM

We get it. You think JC is not good. You should talk to Vic1 you seem to have some things in common.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I had Gtwon winning one and done...however, I have Villanova in the championship game..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:02 PM

Wow, you guys are having so much fun. I want in. How do I set up my bracket now? Do you have the url and password? (I'm going with Duke, btw. UMd, one and done.)

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Still hope it takes the rest of the league a few yrs. to realize that we are no longer overpaying over the hill FA's.. Chad Clifton got how much?? Joey effing Porter signs a 3......3! year deal for 17.5??

Looks like some other teams are in panic mode.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

There is a real possibility that Sue drops to #4

Do we take him?

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"Aaron Rodgers spent most of the season on his back, but also put the ball in the endzone! Posted by: rickyroge"

Aaron Rodgers is an interesting guy. I saw him three times last year, including that magnificent performance in the playoffs. Several things I noted:

1) Although he holds the ball a long time, he's not cautious like Jason. He's more like Roethlisberger, convinced that if he can just hang on another half-second, his guy will come open and he can get a TD.

2) He's more mobile than fast. Not likely to take off the way Campbell sometimes does, with the first down marker in mind. Rodgers' feet are dedicated to avoiding the sack.

3) He takes way too many chances. Some of those throws he completed in the playoffs were dangerous beyond belief. His receivers should get a lot of the credit.

Now that he seems to have emerged, it'll be interesting to see if he comes back to pack some next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I had Gtwon winning one and done...however, I have Villanova in the championship game..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:02 PM

So you were sweating it out in the first round huh. They won't get past Duke.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

There is a real possibility that Sue drops to #4

Do we take him?

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

For sure.. I'm still in the "If Berry is there take him" camp. Although many would disagree

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 19, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

They won't get past Duke.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:08 PM |

You got that right, TWISI. And no one else is getting past Duke, either.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 19, 2010 9:07 PM

Dont worry Suh wont be there. If Lions dont take him, and they will, the Bucs definitely will. I think Suh is most effective in a 4-3 front. There would be no need for the skins to take a 3-4 end in the top 5 of the draft.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

They won't get past Duke.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:08 PM |

You got that right, TWISI. And no one else is getting past Duke, either.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:11 PM

That's the dual edged sword. Duke for some reason has a joke of a bracket and I can't for the sake of my bracket pick them to win. Something about their fan base, alumni and in L-S’s sake alumna.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

There is a real possibility that Sue drops to #4

Do we take him?

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Suh will be there at #4. I think w/ Bradford off the board at #1, Clausen's value will rocket up much like Sanchez. The Bucs @ #3 will give up that pick to the highest bidder (Browns,or Bills would be my guess). I have said in the past that I think the Skins should resist the temptation to draft a defensive player @ #4 and pick either Bradford or the best OT available. However, if Suh is there @ #4 I think he has too much value to pass on, and I doubt teams would move up for a DT prospect (even for the great Suh). Drafting Suh @ #4, and getting an OT in the second would be a very good draft.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins offered a contract to Joey Porter.

He saw the figures, uncomfortably chuckled, then proceeded to douse the document with mas gasolina. Then lit it on fire and spit on the ashes...

He spurned us, i tell ya.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"Drafting Suh @ #4, and getting an OT in the second would be a very good draft.Posted by: TWISI"

Well, I just hate taking interior d-linemen in the top six picks. They get hurt.

There might be a really good tackle at 37, or not. The draft is seven or eight deep at tackle. After that you're in Chad Rinehart territory -- developmental types.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

There might be a really good tackle at 37, or not. The draft is seven or eight deep at tackle. After that you're in Chad Rinehart territory -- developmental types.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 9:30 PM |

They have the Skins taking Ducasse at 37 who is a pretty good OT.

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Around the NFC East: Dallas, N.Y. stand pat
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By ESPN.com staff
Dallas Cowboys

According to the agent for Dez Bryant, the Oklahoma State wide receiver will be visiting with the Cowboys sometime before the draft. But the Cowboys rarely take a wide receiver in the first round, writes the Dallas Morning News' Todd Davis. Also visiting the Cowboys: Penn State linebackers Sean Lee and Navorro Bowman and Kentucky fullback John Conner.

The DMN's Gerry Fraley points out, as of Thursday, the Dallas Cowboys are one of just three teams that "have not signed a restricted or unrestricted free agent from another club or re-signed a free-agent from last season's team."

New York Giants

The Giants are one of the three teams standing still with the Cowboys, but the club did sign Australian punter Jy Bond amid their contract dispute with Jeff Feagles.

So we are not so conservative, are we?

Posted by: abxinc | March 19, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Something about their fan base, alumni and in L-S’s sake distinguished alumnus.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:18 PM

Don't forget about Georgia Tech -- the Ramblin' Reck just advanced over the Cowboys from Oklahoma State. Me and scamp share the Yellow Jackets.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I Hope this is the last Porter report. I'm just in the mood for any residual reports like the Foote episodes.....

JReid, don't get on the Porter Potty!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

...not in the mood

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

He saw the figures, uncomfortably chuckled, then proceeded to douse the document with mas gasolina. Then lit it on fire and spit on the ashes...

He spurned us, i tell ya.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:30 PM |

I think if you looked at the money the Redskins offered him, he'd claim that we spurned him.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just hate taking interior d-linemen in the top six picks. They get hurt.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 9:30 PM

I thought about that, but Suh would play DE in the 3-4 primarily, spelling the big Samo on some run downs. From the DE spot,he'll be a 3 down player particularly if Haynesworth slides inside on passing downs. Whenthe Skins play 4-3, Suh can play 3 spots (RDE, NT, UT). That versatility, and his talent level would be well worth the value @ #4.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a average QB.

FACT: A old Mark Brunell and Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs!

When's the last time the redskins had a "franshise" QB????

Answer: Joe Theisman

Enough said. You draft best QB available at #4. And get your OT in the second round.

Posted by: jimmyclausen | March 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

wow, i feel so spurned.

Posted by: wewbank1

Is spurned a past tense verb of Spurrier?
Hmmmmm.....

Posted by: smittdiddy | March 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The offseason approach that Bruce Allen is using, directly led to the John Grudens departure in Tampa.

John was upset that Allen repeatedly let veterans who could help the team, walk; John later accepted a role as Joker in the most recent Batman film, where he coined the phrase: "if you're good at something, never do it for free!" This small notation can be found at the bottom left corner of every contract player agents offer to teams

Players Union officials expressed disappointment with Allens frugal tactics, Citing a conspiracy to minimize the salary cap floor and not allowing black athletes to earn a retirement pension past the age of 30.

Dan Snyder realizes he cant own the Maryland Redskins forever and who better to salvage the sinking ship than Captain Allen? Stay tuned.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

A month from the draft. By my count the Skins still need to find:

1 young QB of the future
2 starters on OL, and 1 swing G/T
1 young RB
1 WR (#5 ST)
1 backup NT
1 starter @ LB, 1 backup swing LB
1 CB
1 FS

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 8:55 PM |

Hey Jude - Rome weren't built in no day

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Dez Bryant was @ Pac Man's workout today to show his support....RED FLAG!!

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

L-S

Duke and GT is quite a resume to have wasted proof reading Hustler Mag. I know the job has it's perks but you with a little bit of personality and a UMD/MSM background you could have really made your dreams come true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

WaPo editor has changed the title of the thread.

Does he/she actually read the comments?

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

J.Reid didn't write the headline, I did. I didn't find "spurns" to be nearly as weighted a word as some of you all did, but I changed it to play it more straight for those of you who found it misleading.

"Joey Porter picks Cardinals over Redskins"

Could have just done "Joey Porter signs with Cardinals" too.

Whichever one you like most, pretend that's the one that's on there.

-- Keith McMillan

Posted by: washingtonpost.com Sports Editor | March 19, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about Georgia Tech -- the Ramblin' Reck just advanced over the Cowboys from Oklahoma State. Me and scamp share the Yellow Jackets.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:36 PM |

Yessir. I'm ridin' with Purdue too. Pops is an alumnus. Too bad about Hummel though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about Georgia Tech -- the Ramblin' Reck just advanced over the Cowboys from Oklahoma State. Me and scamp share the Yellow Jackets.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:36 PM |

Yessir. I'm ridin' with Purdue too. Pops is an alumnus. Too bad about Hummel though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The offseason approach that Bruce Allen is using, directly led to the John Grudens departure in Tampa.

John was upset that Allen repeatedly let veterans who could help the team, walk; ...

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:41 PM |

What vet diff maker has Allen let walk?

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

MrPink if you take away the young QB of the future, that's 10 players needed to field a competitive team with depth. The Skins have 5 draft choices that leaves 5 positions to fill. Given the pace of the FA signings, they will need 5 players on the current roster to improve their game significantly from last year's performance. Which 5 players can be counted on to do that?

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Whichever one you like most, pretend that's the one that's on there.

Posted by: washingtonpost.com Sports Editor | March 19, 2010 9:46 PM

So you're just as bored as us huh?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I know the job has it's perks but you with a little bit of personality and a UMD/MSM background you could have really made your dreams come true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:44 PM

I've done alright in terms of my dreams. And I think you've done a lot to overcome the handicap of a UMd "education." You're probably the only UMd graduate to get into MSM, no? You're the best, Diesel44!!! Okay, there are 43 Diesels who are better, but you might be in the top third.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Dez Bryant was @ Pac Man's workout today to show his support....RED FLAG!!

Posted by: TWISI


Dez Bryant is cool with Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders is cool with Pacman Jones.

D-Bags come in threes.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Great links Diesel

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 9:49 PM


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basically, losing with valued bums feels better than losing with overpaid has-beens.

I just want to win. I don't really care what players make.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: smittdiddy

Good handle...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

MrPink if you take away the young QB of the future, that's 10 players needed to field a competitive team with depth. The Skins have 5 draft choices that leaves 5 positions to fill. Given the pace of the FA signings, they will need 5 players on the current roster to improve their game significantly from last year's performance. Which 5 players can be counted on to do that?

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:50 PM |

twisi,

We didn't have a competitive team with those 10 players, so there is no reason not to let the young guys play.

They aren't trying to rebuild the team in 1 year it's to f-ed up to do that, this will take a few years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

WaPo editor has changed the title of the thread. Does he/she actually read the comments?

Sometimes, yes. This was an easy enough bone to throw you guys. No point in clinging to "spurns."

So you're just as bored as us huh?

Only when NCAA tournament games aren't ending.

Posted by: washingtonpost.com Sports Editor | March 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

It's probably best we didn't sign Porter. I don't think we should force Orakpo to play on the left side just to accomodate an aging veteran.

As for Barry Sims, if he is the illegitimate offspring of Barry Sanders and Billy Simms, then I say go get him.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | March 19, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

So you're just as bored as us huh?
Only when NCAA tournament games aren't ending.


Posted by: washingtonpost.com Sports Editor | March 19, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Now I get to ammend my post..."So you're just as ADD as us huh?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

They changed the title looks like we got through to somebody.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Given the pace of the FA signings, they will need 5 players on the current roster to improve their game significantly from last year's performance. Which 5 players can be counted on to do that?

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 9:50 PM |

You apparently took my comment to be sarcastic - it wasn't intended that way. The Skins, while they have some good talent in places, are not going from a 4-12 team to playoff contention in one yr. It is going to take time and patience and luck with the draft. Signing types like Porter, Foote, etc. is not the answer.

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

New York Giants

The Giants are one of the three teams standing still with the Cowboys, but the club did sign Australian punter Jy Bond amid their contract dispute with Jeff Feagles.
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Really, then how did Rolle and Sorgi end up on the Giants? Great reporting, I am glad they do a lot of fact checking.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: washingtonpost.com Sports Editor | March 19, 2010 10:01 PM


While your here, is it true that youse guys have hired League-Source as the blog usher?

Why did y'all fire talent_evaluator?

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Scamp-

2 more. Clausen is a noodle headed, immature, unlikeable tool..

http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen-gay.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshadowdancer/1391158390/

much like bigfoot_has_a_pussy

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The Rams went from 3-13 to Superbowl winners in one year.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I hear you. I really think they need to get at least one more FA OLman, and a FA LB. To that extent here's one list of RFAs who will garner attention over the next month. My two favs, Rob Sims and Marshal Yanda.

Offer sheets coming?

Two players -- New Orleans tailback Mike Bell (with Philadelphia) and Eagles defensive end Jason Babin (with Tennessee) -- had signed restricted free-agent offer sheets through Thursday night, giving their current teams seven days to match the deals or pass. In expectation of a few more offer sheets, ESPN.com polled four personnel directors regarding which players with less than second-round compensation might be most interesting.
The results: O.J. Atogwe (compensation: none), San Francisco guard David Baas (third round), Baltimore guard Chris Chester (third), Minnesota offensive tackle Ryan Cook (third), New Orleans defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (third), Oakland linebacker Kirk Morrison (third), Seattle guard Rob Sims (fourth) and Vikings quarterback Tarvaris Jackson (third). A guy to watch closely in coming weeks, although tendered at a second-round compensation level, is Ravens guard Marshal Yanda.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

D-Bags come in threes.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 9:54 PM |

Do that make them 3-D-Bags?

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I really think they need to get at least one more FA OLman, and a FA LB.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 10:09 PM |

I agree, but I don't see why they need to hurry. I think they can wait until after the draft when a bunch of dudes will get cut. Some of these will be better than the guys who are not the market now.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

0. 2005-Campbell had a chance to be a back up. Gibbs was not one to start rookie QBs.

1. 2006-Campbell gets chance to start from Brunell's poor 7 games, 76.5 rating, 3 wins 4 losses

2. '07-Campbell did fairly well, although Collins led the charge to playoffs. 13 games, 77.6 rating, 5 & 7, Campbell gets hurt needs to learn to protect the ball and himself

3. '08-Campbell got a chance to start for THE AMAZING ZORN, with 2 no show rookie receivers. 16 starts, 84.3 rating, 8 & 8, Campbell clearly learned to protect the ball this year and led 6-2 start.

4. '09-ZORN AGAIN, but this time NO SAMUELS, NO PORTIS, NO COOLEY, no betts, no thomas, no turnovers, 16 starts, 86.4 rating, 4 & 12. Campbell improved while team got siginificantly worse.

5. 20 ten-even if they draft a QB, Campbell may start

So, he's had 4 chances, 2 under Zorn....Zorn?!?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

2 more. Clausen is a noodle headed, immature, unlikeable tool..

http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen-gay.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshadowdancer/1391158390/

much like bigfoot_has_a_pussy
Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 10:06 PM

Too funny

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"UPDATE: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals will pay Porter $17.5 million over three years, with a max value of $24.5 million. Depending on the structure, that looks like a panicked deal that won't go well for Arizona."

I bet Shanny and Allen laughed him all the way out of DC.

Posted by: PCinOz | March 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

You could have gone with "Porter gets overpaid... in AZ".

You would not have irritated the local fan base, but you would have been accurate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Scamp-

2 more. Clausen is a noodle headed, immature, unlikeable tool..

http://www.thedirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen-gay.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshadowdancer/1391158390/

much like bigfoot_has_a_pussy

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 10:06 PM |

Hey - we get it already. You're a 1-D-Bag. How many more times are you going to post the same thing?

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"UPDATE: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals will pay Porter $17.5 million over three years, with a max value of $24.5 million. Depending on the structure, that looks like a panicked deal that won't go well for Arizona."

I bet Shanny and Allen laughed him all the way out of DC.


Posted by: PCinOz | March 19, 2010 10:15 PM |

WTF that contract is nuts if we had given him that contract we would be ripped in the media.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Those last 2 were wrong. I didn't want to see Clausen in panties.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I agree, but I don't see why they need to hurry. I think they can wait until after the draft when a bunch of dudes will get cut. Some of these will be better than the guys who are not the market now.

Posted by: League-Source | March 19, 2010 10:13 PM

They shouldn't rush. The most important thing is to try to get as good a match as possible (talent, age, $$).

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

looking at bradford his size(body type)..he is 1 hit away in the nfl from being out for the season any team that drafts him in the top 5 will pay him alot of money and he certainly is not ready to start and will not last the entire season with rabach and heyer starting as a matter of fact he will probably suffer(with that above duo) a injury that will end his career as quickly as it started. fix the o-line this is not rocket science.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 19, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

WTF that contract is nuts if we had given him that contract we would be ripped in the media.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 19, 2010 10:22 PM


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Media figure-head Lavar Arrington woulda approved the move.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The call (lane violation) at the end of the New Mex/MSU game is emblematic of THE PROBLEM with the first week of the tourney: There is always a group or two of azz hat officials willing to make some ridiculous call to completely overtake the outcome of the game. Happens every year.

Unbelievable call that clown made.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable call that clown made.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


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Whadda jerk.

During the after-game party, that clown was handing out ballooned Spartan Hats

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"They have the Skins taking Ducasse at 37 who is a pretty good OT.Posted by: MrPink"

You have to hope he's there. Otherwise you're scrambling.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The call (lane violation) at the end of the New Mex/MSU game is emblematic of THE PROBLEM with the first week of the tourney: There is always a group or two of azz hat officials willing to make some ridiculous call to completely overtake the outcome of the game. Happens every year.

Unbelievable call that clown made.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:27 PM

Was watching First Take this morning and they were talking about this "unwritten rule" that media popular teams (nova) get calls at the end of games. That lower seeded teams need to be up 10-15 points to not get "jobbed" by officials.

Though I did pick MS in that game...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 19, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 10:22 PM

Hey, Steve Buscemi..not everybody is as comical as you. Some of us need to repeat ourselves.

Btw…You've sucked since you’ve joined RI. You should join big_foots_posse, you'd fit right in as someone who is neither funny nor has any football acumen to add to the board.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 19, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Great...another Dook alum babbling on TV

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

(Trying to remember the last time a Washington Post staffer posted in the comments up here...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 19, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

You wonder how much longer CBS is going to be in the March Madness biz.

1. Their announcers r clueless.

2. ESPN has a resident bracketologist.

3. ESPN has a Presidential bracketologist.

4. ESPN has $$$ from both subscript fees and advertising.

Posted by: MrPink | March 19, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

How about the following:

1 young QB of the future - Draft 4th round
2 starters on OL, and 1 swing G/T - Draft 1st and 2nd, swing Heyer
1 young RB - Aldridge or 5th Round
1 WR (#5 ST)- 7th Round, UDFA
1 backup NT - Montgomery
1 starter @ LB, 1 backup swing LB - Wilson, Henson, 6th round draft
1 CB - Barnes
1 FS - Moore

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 19, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

It has been a long time NITPDX.

Me thinks Freud got to him.

Spurned = picks? To an editor??

Really???????

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2010 10:33 PM


Ducasse is now projected to be a guard when he starts in the league. He doesnt have a lot of technique and there is a language barrier. The skins dont need a project at 37, they need someone who can play from day one.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that is a serious growth on that guys neck.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"UPDATE: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals will pay Porter $17.5 million over three years, with a max value of $24.5 million. Depending on the structure, that looks like a panicked deal that won't go well for Arizona."

I bet Shanny and Allen laughed him all the way out of DC.


Posted by: PCinOz


Yes, indeed they did!!

Can't believe people wanted him on the squad.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Things are not going swimmingly for the REDSKINS in FA.

They have their second runner in LARRY JOHNSON. I assume a third and fourth will come from holdovers and post-draft players.

They have a back-up QB in GROSSMAN. A high draft pick is still needed at QB as SOUP has not yet been signed.

Their tight ends and receivers are I believe set for next year.

They obviously wanted to land both a starter and utility player for the o-line in FA. So far on that end, HICKS is in the house, but no starter. TWO high draft picks OT's are still needed at this point.

At NT they have a recovering player who will start IF he recovers to his former self. Shaky at best. A high draft pick is still needed.

At LB they need another ILB. No luck even with head cases. Converting ORAKPO and ALEXANDER to OLB's may be forlorn hopes, at least in ZO's case. I mean ZO's good, but damn......... A draft pick is still needed both at ILB and OLB.

At CB they re-up LOS and let SMOOT go. Now if anybody's hurt, you have JUSTIN TRYON and "Blow'um up" BARNES. Although JUSTIN did some good things, he's a world away from being a solid contributor in the d-backfield.

At safety, you have three good SS's plus KAREEM MOORE and no front-line FS.

The next step to relieve pressure on the draft may be trades.

Suspects include:

CRIS COOLEY
JASON CAMPBELL
ANDRE CARTER

How many picks and/or players could any of those three net? Who knows, but we have some gaping holes to fill, and so far FA alone ain't gettin' it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan I can live with some of your choices. A few things I don't like. I don't like Heyer as a swing tackle at this point of his career. Keep him on the right side, let him learn that position. I think Monty's chances to make this team are slim to none. His best situation would be for the Skins to trade him for a ham sandwich. Rocky, Fletcher, Rak, Blades those are the guys who have experience at LB @ NFL level on this team. I am hoping they add a vet at the LB spot because in a 3-4 depth at LB is important. Finally, I was thinking they need another CB and FS in addition to Barnes and Moore.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

JC is fine - we don't need a difference maker at QB since our foundation (O-Line) is terrible.

Let's get the O-Line & D-Line good, then CB's, Backers, WR's, QB and, lastly RB's in place.

This is going to take a few years (3?) to overhaul but there are no shortcuts. We have a broken team and need to be rebuilt. Elite players anywhere besides the O-Line and D-Line are a waste of time and money. The exception is a QB of the future, whom we should get soon since he'll need a few years to mature.

The Redskins are essentially an expansion team right now.

Okung in Round 1, QB or OG in Round 2, keep JC for 2010.

Posted by: JPBrown56 | March 19, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey WaPo: I'd like to see a thumbs up/down option to vote for or against other comments.

Posted by: JPBrown56 | March 19, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Porter could have contributed but that is just crazy money that Arizona dished out. The thing I have heard repeated often about the 3-4 defense is it requires less "skill players" than the 4-3. Given that, I don't think there's any need to panic about not signing a free agent linebacker. I think the same is true about nose tackle. Basically what they are looking for is a giant side of beef with a low center of gravity. Plus, I keep going back to the fact that Shanny - and Allen - have entire off seasons to go to games and scout players. They should have a pretty good handle on the diamonds in the rough out there and I am sure a few of those guys will land on the roster. So, I am not concerned about the depth on the defense. On offense - especially on the o-line - there are worries. I just hope they can get a decent left tackle no matter where they draft him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 19, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

JC is fine - we don't need a difference maker at QB since our foundation (O-Line) is terrible.

Posted by: JPBrown56

JC isn't "fine". He's a proven 4th quarter choke artist who has never taken a team to the playoffs in 5 years.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 19, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey WaPo: I'd like to see a thumbs up/down option to vote for or against other comments.

Good thinking. I'll ask about it & see if it's a possibility.

Posted by: KeithMcMillan | March 19, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,
Why does everyone seem to overlook Wilson. I thought he played fairly well when given the opportunity. He has good bulk and speed. Not sure about his coverage skills. I also think Montgomery could be a contributor if they can figure out how to motivate him. I don't see him as a starter but he could come off the bench. I think Heyer does ok as a fill in at either OT. I just don't think he can handle the starter role yet, if ever.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 19, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan I'm a Wilson fan. However he'll only be in his second year at OLB and and having Rak on the other side,the team will have two inexperienced OLBs. Coupled w/ the switch to the 3-4, I think getting another vet in as a potential starter would be wise. Can Wilson make the transition, I thik so but I'd be a whole lot more comfortable w/ another player for him to compete. Monty was an underachiever in college, now he's an underachiever in the NFL. That is probably who he is. Heyer can't play LT well in the NFL. He started 3 games there last year; he gave up 4 sacks, 4 QB hits, and 8 QB pressures. Project that performance over 16 games which is what you'd have to think about for your #3 OT. I think it's better for him to concentrate on the RT position, which is where he belongs.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey WaPo: I'd like to see a thumbs up/down option to vote for or against other comments.
Good thinking. I'll ask about it & see if it's a possibility.

Posted by: KeithMcMillan | March 19, 2010 11:30 PM

Yea, I think we do a good enough job of critiquing each others posts without turning this into a quasi facebook page.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Monty was an underachiever in college, now he's an underachiever in the NFL. That is probably who he is.

Posted by: TWISI | March 19, 2010 11:54 PM |

Yea TWISI, I'd say he isn't an underachiever. He has been achieving what he can.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I think we do a good enough job of critiquing each others posts without turning this into a quasi facebook page.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 11:55 PM

Diesel44 likes this.

Could you please join my mafia, feed my fish, fertilize my crops, join my cause, and accept my redskin jersey and send one back my way. kthxbye..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 20, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Yea TWISI, I'd say he isn't an underachiever. He has been achieving what he can.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 19, 2010 11:57 PM

Good point.

Posted by: TWISI | March 20, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Night all.
HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 20, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Maryland is benefiting from the rest it got from losing early in the ACC tourney.

And Louisville is losing it's cool. Go Cal!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 20, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Shame on me for not representing DC at the Rose Garden tonight, where it looks like (somehow) the Wizards have made a game of it.... well, okay, maybe shame isn't appropriate, but on some level I wanted to be there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Another BE team goes down.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

New Mexico State got screwed...

I only care because the Terps now have to play MSU...

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 20, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

F Joey Porter... Seriously... 'Skins should of signed him... I have been patient til now... I just want us to make an impact move & I thought he could be that guy!

Also, would of freed us to trade Carter.

Posted by: tony325 | March 20, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

And No Country for Old Men's ending was just confusing, lol.

Posted by: ga8085

+ + +

And No Country For Old Men did have a very confusing ending, more like incomplete.

Posted by: RedDMV

+ + +

Yeah that ending was difficult for me to accept.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

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Yea, this is very common. Most people get caught up in the very suspenseful 'Cat and Mouse' plot involving Llewellyn and Anton.

But watch this movie in a crowd and watch every1 check their text messages or take a bathroom/cigarette break everytime Tommy Lee Jones' old ass graces the screen.

It's more or less a satire on a younger generation's view of old people.

As for "Sugar" ?

Well since he can't go to any hospital for medical aide, we'll just see how well he remedies a fore-arm bone protrusion. Since he's not 'Wolverine', the path he has chosen in life, is a short one indeed!

"No Country For Old Men" is prolly one of the best movies I've seen in awhile.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Yeah diesel, NM had to make a 3 instead of make a two... big difference.

I still can't believe that azz clown called a lane violation.

They brought it up like three times in the MD game... Gminski was trying to be PC, but you could tell he was just as flummoxed as everybody else in the nation.

Should be a good game Sunday... did it look like one of MSU big guys tweeked a knee?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 20, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

As bad as NMS was jobbed, noone got screwed more than Robert Morris.

I have MS beating Maryland on Sunday.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Re: Porter

No big deal. He would've been a short-timer anyway. I'd rather they got a young guy

Posted by: skinswest | March 20, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I have MD winning it all.

Right after i got that one out of my system... i did another with logic on high and emotion on low, LOL

I have MD over MSU, losing to Kansas in the Sweet 16.

Remind me what happened to Robert Morris?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 20, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

As bad as NMS was jobbed, noone got screwed more than Robert Morris.

I have MS beating Maryland on Sunday.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 12:55 AM

You son of a B..

Actually so do I, MSU’s size will kill my beloved Terps inside..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 20, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Porter... we are not "that guy" away from making a run.

Better off long term without him, and he just wanted to get paid some "rest of my life money" anyway.

Be nice to find a tweener LB in the 4th, or with a second 2nd or a 3rd following a potential trade.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 20, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Robert Morris beat Nova up and down the court until the refs started manufacturing fouls that gave Nova the game at the end.

The talking heads on First Take tried to defend it by saying that low seed teams need to be up by 15 points in order to survive some unwritten rule that refs will call favorable calls to media darling teams (BE, B12, etc).

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00:09:20 And conversely, 21 turnovers for robert morris, because villanova was allowed to grab and slap and bang on defense with no fouls.
00:09:28 They just handed the game back to the high seed.
00:09:30 >> There's an unwritten rule in college basketball.
00:09:33 When you're on the road -- and hear me out -- when you're on the road, you have to be 10 points better.
00:09:38 When you're in the ncaa tournament, you're a 15 seed, you've got to be 15 points better than your on the part of opponent.
00:09:45 >> That's ridiculous.
00:09:46 >> That's an unwritten -- am i right, swin?
00:09:49 >> Yes, it is.
00:09:49 When it comes tournament time, you have to make every play, make every basket.
00:09:54 Now, don't get me wrong.
00:09:56 Villanova come on, son is what I want to say so them.
00:09:58 I can't even believe robert morris was in the game.
00:10:01 But give credit to robert morris.
00:10:03 But down the stretch, the refs are going to make the calls and give villanova a chance.
00:10:07 That's just the way that it happens.
00:10:09 It's the way it is.

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/espn_first_take/36/ESPN2/Friday_March_19_2010/174399/

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I hope he breaks his leg on his first snap from scrimmage in 2010.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 20, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

And No Country for Old Men's ending was just confusing, lol.

Posted by: ga8085

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And No Country For Old Men did have a very confusing ending, more like incomplete.

Posted by: RedDMV

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Yeah that ending was difficult for me to accept.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

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Yea, this is very common. Most people get caught up in the very suspenseful 'Cat and Mouse' plot involving Llewellyn and Anton.

But watch this movie in a crowd and watch every1 check their text messages or take a bathroom/cigarette break everytime Tommy Lee Jones' old ass graces the screen.

It's more or less a satire on a younger generation's view of old people.

As for "Sugar" ?

Well since he can't go to any hospital for medical aide, we'll just see how well he remedies a fore-arm bone protrusion. Since he's not 'Wolverine', the path he has chosen in life, is a short one indeed!

"No Country For Old Men" is prolly one of the best movies I've seen in awhile.

Posted by: Vicc


So Vicc, what are you saying to about the ending exactly? How does that conversation at the end tie in with the rest of the movie?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 20, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I hope he breaks his leg on his first snap from scrimmage in 2010.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 20, 2010 7:15 AM

And how would this help the Redskins?

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The offseason approach that Bruce Allen is using, directly led to the John Grudens departure in Tampa.

John was upset that Allen repeatedly let veterans who could help the team, walk; John later accepted a role as Joker in the most recent Batman film, where he coined the phrase: "if you're good at something, never do it for free!" This small notation can be found at the bottom left corner of every contract player agents offer to teams

Players Union officials expressed disappointment with Allens frugal tactics, Citing a conspiracy to minimize the salary cap floor and not allowing black athletes to earn a retirement pension past the age of 30.

Dan Snyder realizes he cant own the Maryland Redskins forever and who better to salvage the sinking ship than Captain Allen? Stay tuned.

Posted by: Vicc | March 19, 2010 9:41 PM

Vicc,

If this is true the undercurrents of this is quite disturbing. Winning on the cheap has been Abe Pollins way and we see how far that got the Wizards.

And secondly, if Allen has some kind of agenda of jettisoning veterans for financial reasons and not allowing black players to earn a pension, then what is up with that???

This can't be true and I would hope not. In church there is a saying, when you open the church door to kick the devil out(cerrato) another one walks in(allen).

Boy, I hope that isn't true about Allen. I did think it odd how Gruden just walked from Tampa like that.

Vicc, can any more light be shed on that assertion?

Bad news for the Skins if true.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 20, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Great. So, we've got an ideological commitment to a 3-4 defense, just too bad the team doesn't have the personnel. Isn't this getting things backward, at least in the first instance? Shouldn't the longer term strategy be to go to a 3-4 when the personnel are in place?

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Ok, Joey Porter's overpriced A goes to Ariz. CU.

Yeah, but wait 'til he finds out there are no actual cardinals in Arizona!

Wait, He prolly won't care, right?

Free marko.

Posted by: bostskin | March 20, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Reid shouldn't be saying things like Carter might be traded unless someone in the organization has said something to him. And if someone has said something he should say what it was. This kind of speculation is just gossip and very unprofessional.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Refusing to pay Joey P 17.5M for 3 years hardly means you have to call Allen frugal.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the longer term strategy be to go to a 3-4 when the personnel are in place?

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 8:16 AM

No. How long do you think it will take to get all the personnel "in place"? Two years? Three years? So, you're bringing in guys for a 3-4, making them play in a 4-3 for two or three years? Only after they're all here do you put them into the defense you wanted to run all along?

During a transition, you will have some square pegs in round holes. Can't be avoided. So you are better off running the defense you want to run -- the 3-4 -- and trying to coach up, or work around, the players who are better adapted to the 4-3.

Besides, you will be surprised. Some of the guys you weren't expecting to contribute much will come up big. They're a lot more adaptable than you give them credit for.

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

So Vicc, what are you saying to about the ending exactly? How does that conversation at the end tie in with the rest of the movie?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 20, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse


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It ties in perfect. Tommy Lee Jones point in the movie is not to catch Anton "Sugar or the Mexicans; he can't for he is over-matched. Listen to his last soliloquy...only an old person can ramble on about a dream the way he did. He's clueless about the upcoming generation. He's an old man who can no longer offer the country anything.

We are supposed to figure out that Anton will never know what it's like to be an old man. He's chosen a very reckless path.

So either live long enough to retire a clueless chap or die early, either way America is no country for old people. Old people can't relate to the relevant crowd, sorry.

My guess, jcnjcnj, is that if you didn't like/understand the movie, you are either a hot chick or younger than the age of 22.
The "Cat and Mouse" game only existed to lure the younger crowd into watching the film. Trust me, there are so many other ways to show how useless old people are...

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 20, 2010 8:10 AM


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Sorry for the confusion Larry.

The only part that was true about my lame attempt at BeantownGreg1s style of posts is:

"The offseason approach that Bruce Allen is using, directly led to the John Grudens departure in Tampa.

John was upset that Allen repeatedly let veterans who could help the team, walk;"

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

probably read how positive Fletcher was and knew it wasn't for him....

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the longer term strategy be to go to a 3-4 when the personnel are in place?

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 8:16 AM

No. How long do you think it will take to get all the personnel "in place"? Two years? Three years? So, you're bringing in guys for a 3-4, making them play in a 4-3 for two or three years? Only after they're all here do you put them into the defense you wanted to run all along?

During a transition, you will have some square pegs in round holes. Can't be avoided. So you are better off running the defense you want to run -- the 3-4 -- and trying to coach up, or work around, the players who are better adapted to the 4-3.

Besides, you will be surprised. Some of the guys you weren't expecting to contribute much will come up big. They're a lot more adaptable than you give them credit for.

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

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So by your logic the West Coast offense was the right move, even though there were few on the team capable to executing it correctly. Why not use the draft and free agency to build into the 3-4 rather than implement it point blank?

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

If this is true the undercurrents of this is quite disturbing. Winning on the cheap has been Abe Pollins way and we see how far that got the Wizards.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 20, 2010 8:10 AM


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I'm a little weary of this approach as well.

I know for a fact, we could use FS Darren Sharper.

And I feel like Joey Porter coulda really helped us also.

Sometimes you just can't place a financial figure on leadership, fire and brimstone.

If we had signed these two guys and minimized their contracts to 2 or 3 year deals, then there is no way their salary-cap figure(should the salary-cap come back)woulda damaged our future.

Portis' contract only hurts b/c it was a backloaded long-term deal, and we're on the backhalf of it.

Personally Larry, I wish their salaries were not known. How well do you work with your peers when you know what they make? The answer to that question is why I damn the media and their whole public has a right to know philosophy.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"This is a good thing. I was for signing him (J Porter) for the right price, but he wanted too much it looks like."


It is a good thing, and Foote--the guy who can play insideleaving Rocky Mac to play outside--is the guy who the skins should've tosses extra coin on the table for.

Teams that play 3-4 have big inside 'backers, and Porter didn't fit the bill, and it's not Rocky's natural position.

Other linebackers will come calling.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 20, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Why not use the draft and free agency to build into the 3-4 rather than implement it point blank?

Posted by: atidwell | March 20, 2010 10:16 AM |

I feel like I already answered this. You don't tell your players "I want you to play this way, but I want you to play a different way next year."

But, I don't know anyone who has said that we're running a 3-4 defense on every play next year. They've spoken about a hybrid, about a 3-4 with a 4 man front. What I hear them saying is that they'll run a defense that's organized around the players on the roster. Over time, as the players change, so will the defense.

My biggest problem with the West Coast offense is that it was a decision of Snyder and Cerrato, who then tried to hire the best head coach to run it. And the one they hired was not qualified to be a head coach.

I would rather that they hire the best head coach they could find, and let him pick the offense. That's what they've done this time.

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Personally Larry, I wish their salaries were not known. How well do you work with your peers when you know what they make?

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:17 AM

Is this why government is dysfunctional? Because everyone knows everyone else's grade and salary?

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Teams that play 3-4 have big inside 'backers, and Porter didn't fit the bill, and it's not Rocky's natural position.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 20, 2010 10:25 AM


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With all due respect MistaMoe, you have it bass ackwards.

Ideally what you said makes sense, but that's not the ways it's done.

Larry Foote, Ray Lewis, Pat Willis, DeMeco Ryans, Nick Barnett etc. 6'1" 240 range. They are all smaller than the OLBs on their teams. OLBs are the monsters in 3-4 defense 6'3", 6'4" and 250+ range.

MLB need to be able to cover sideline to sideline. There's this rookie though named Rolando McClain. He's a MLB who has OLB size. Very dangerous.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 10:32 AM

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Absolutely.

Having served in the Military, I've seen it first hand.

Delegation is cruel.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Media Erin Andrews wasn't to happy about her personal life being exposed. Wrong or right, every member of the media deserves some something like this to happen to them.

Media just don't seem to understand that people have feelings.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

DeMarcus Ware 6'4" 262lbs

Brian Orakpo 6'3" 260lbs

Rolando McClain 6'4" 258lbs

Joey Porter 6'3" 255

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One of these linebackers is a MLB. *Unbelievable*

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The moer I think about it, the more I see the Browns trading up to #3 and drafting Clausen. The Browns have enough on their team to be more competitive this coming season. Delhomme will likely be the starter for the next two years, with Wallace mentoring the young Clausen in the Holmgren offense. Drating Clausen should play well to that fan base.

Posted by: TWISI | March 20, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The moer I think about it, the more I see the Browns trading up to #3 and drafting Clausen.

Posted by: TWISI | March 20, 2010 11:00 AM

Maybe I'm too influenced by the anti-Clausen slant up here, but I don't understand why people think Clausen is a first-round pick, much less a #3. Not saying it won't happen, or even that he won't be a great player, but the best thing I've heard about him is that he was coached in an NFL-style offense.

Posted by: League-Source | March 20, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

LS IMO I think it would make sense drafting Clausen somewhere in the 20s. However, "draft guys" are starting to say physically Clausen is as talented as Sanchez. All Clausen would have to do is to show that he's not an arse at his pro day, and his stock will rise. Throw in the fact that there are only 2 1st rd QB talent, and 4-5 teams needing a young arm to groom for the future, I think come draft day teams will move for Clausen. The Browns started to click towards the end of last year, and that was with Anderson and Quinn leading them. I sense that Holmgren would think he has a team that can win 9-10 games next year, so he'll turn to build for the future by getting a younger QB early in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | March 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Media Erin Andrews wasn't to happy about her personal life being exposed. Wrong or right, every member of the media deserves some something like this to happen to them.

Media just don't seem to understand that people have feelings.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

So, everyone who works in the media, whether they're responsible or not, whether they've ever wrongly invaded anyone else's privacy or not, deserves to have some peeping tom look at them surreptitiously while they're undressing, and post partially nude pictures of them on the internet? Horse manure.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Personally Larry, I wish their salaries were not known. How well do you work with your peers when you know what they make? The answer to that question is why I damn the media and their whole public has a right to know philosophy.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 10:17 AM

I'm for transparency. There can be no accountability without transparency.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Steve Wyche, of NFL.com, reports Arizona Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt said he views LB Joey Porter as a positive addition to his team despite how he is negatively perceived. "There's been a lot said and written about Joey - the bulletin-board material he gives to other teams and all that stuff - but in my experience with him, he believes in the team concept and knowing that being successful is about being unselfish," Whisenhunt said. "He brings an intensity and passion and will keep that level up throughout the game on defense."

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

deserves to have some peeping tom look at them surreptitiously while they're undressing, and post partially nude pictures of them on the internet?
Posted by: rbpalmer | March 20, 2010 12:18 PM


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Ok. I'm sure you were not born yesterday and you clearly went Amelia Bedelia on me!

What was done to Erin Andrews is just as wrong as telling the whole world that Fat Albert got paid 40 million dollars to play football.

Now noone, especially on RI, can have a conversation about Albert as a football player w/o mentioning his contract. That is horse manure! What do you think of when you see or hear Erin Andrews?

In both cases, both individuals had personal information revealed to the masses.

Both cases were revealed/exploited by the media. Both cases are profitable and that's why they both happened.

I call that fair exchange...there is no such thing as right or wrong anymo.

Ironically, I guarantee Erin did not want what happened to her being exposed by the media. I woulda never knew this happened to Erin had in not been for the media.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm for transparency. There can be no accountability without transparency.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 12:44 PM


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This is very vague, but I think I understand what you're saying.

Private information should remain private to an "individual" though, unless "they" choose to share it, of course.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman,

Adam Shefter pointed out how essentially the Cardinals traded Dansby to Miami for Porter.

Looking at how much Arizona gave to Porter. Why didn't they just pay Dansby who is younger and knows the system already.

The NFC west is a mess and the winner of that division may do it with an 8-8, dare i say 7-9 record. The QBs in that division are horrible.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Private information should remain private to an "individual" though, unless "they" choose to share it, of course.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:00 PM

Football salaries are not private for very good reasons. There's the salary cap, the collective bargaining agreement, and so forth. Then there's bloggers who have to base their opinions on something, at least once in a while.

In the workplace employers often discourage employees from sharing with each other their wages, because if they did they would learn of the discrepancies and favoritisms. There might be a mutiny or some kind of push for a union.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Vicc

I was wondering the same thing about the Cards. They're going to struggle anyway if Leinert doesn't shape up.

I've rooted for the Cards the last couple of years because Warner and Fitzgerald are so fun to watch. And Wizzenhunt and Grimm, etc. But without Warner there may not be so much point.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

In the workplace employers often discourage employees from sharing with each other their wages, because if they did they would learn of the discrepancies and favoritisms. There might be a mutiny or some kind of push for a union.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2010 1:09 PM


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Is that how the Players Union got started?

Interesting...

What you just said seems to be happening in the NFL. I have to accept the fact that I can't change it.

I got 20 dollars says that mack1 will negatively comment on one of my posts in the next two days.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Media Erin Andrews wasn't to happy about her personal life being exposed. Wrong or right, every member of the media deserves some something like this to happen to them.

Media just don't seem to understand that people have feelings.

Posted by: Vicc
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By "personal life", do you mean her "biscuit"?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

sfm,
Wizzie is smart enough to rebuild the Card's offense. My theory is he'll make them more like the Steelers or Ravens of the west. Now that their passing attack is diminished, they'll power up on RBs and defense and go old school. Nothing wrong with that approach.

Posted by: pgugino | March 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 20, 2010 1:17 PM


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Well, I'd sure like to limp on her biscuit.
*wink*

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the longer term strategy be to go to a 3-4 when the personnel are in place?

Posted by: atidwell
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Agreed, we should work on hiring all the right 3-4 D personnel over the next two to three years, keep them on the sideline, then when we get the last piece (guy), we SNAP into the 3-4!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 20, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know why we haven't talked with released OT Gandy from the Cards? Seems like lack of OT visits thus far indicates what we'll be doing first in the draft--but it'll be interesting either way.

Posted by: pgugino | March 20, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"LS IMO I think it would make sense drafting Clausen somewhere in the 20s. However, "draft guys" are starting to say physically Clausen is as talented as Sanchez."

Sanchez and Clausen, two QBs with little in common except NFL preparation. Sanchez is as comfortable rolling out as staying in the pocket; Clausen likes to wait for the deep bomb.

If you think about it, Stafford and Bradford are almost polar opposites, too. Stafford is all arm, no head, while Sam is poise and accuracy.

That's the thing about the NFL -- there's more than one way to play QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

beeps.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


Trying to set up a 3-4 is a real case of the tail wagging the dog. The personnel on this team are 4-3 personnel. You go to it and you have Haynesworth, Fletcher, MacIntosh, Daniels, Golston, Carter, & Montgomery playing out of position or at less-valuable positions. The middle of your defense depends on a guy coming off TWO Achilles surgeries.

Meanwhile you must search for new defensive players when IT'S THE OFFENSE THAT NEEDS FIXING!!!

Fix that first, then adjjust the D.

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Media Erin Andrews wasn't to happy about her personal life being exposed. Wrong or right, every member of the media deserves some something like this to happen to them.

Media just don't seem to understand that people have feelings.

Posted by: Vicc

You are the wrong guy to be talking about feelings since by lumping all "media" in one convenient pile, you show you have no understanding of human nature, empathy, or--for that matter--what makes up the media.

Hmmm. Hating a group of people and wishing them evil... When have I read about people who think like that before? Oh, right, now I remember. My daddy bombed them.

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe I'm too influenced by the anti-Clausen slant up here, but I don't understand why people think Clausen is a first-round pick, much less a #3. Not saying it won't happen, or even that he won't be a great player, but the best thing I've heard about him is that he was coached in an NFL-style offense.
Posted by: League-Source"

Great deep thrower. Even puts the ball on the correct shoulder. Probably not five QBs in the NFL who can do that with consistency (why teams feel they need these really tall, high-jumping receivers). In style, something of a throwback to era when QBs looked downfield first.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Or better yet

“Shanny/Allen are sticking to their plan as they build for the Future.”

Posted by: Diesel44 |

Which is what? Signing aging career backups and dinged players?

What IS their plan? It appears clueless to me, so far, altho I'm far from giving up.

So far they've added one backup to the pathetic Oline, designed a new D around a guy with two achilles surgeries, moved a ton of defenders to new positions, brought in Rex Grossman! as backup QB and Larry Johnson! as backup runner.

They've raised fans hopes by bringing in possible additions only to see them run elsewhere.

Foote, Porter Dansby etc. I'm sorry, does a 3-4 require linebackers?

That's a plan? Run your (suggested) headline and the Post would be laughed out of town.

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 1:36 PM

Hey, you aren't mack1, though you both think alike.

I do stand corrected.

Why did your daddy bomb them again? I'm sure it was unprovoked...

It be easier to blog with you if you chit-chat every once and awhile.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Great downfield passers in today's game: Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Drew Brees. Note that they don't have the strongest arms.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Your right we should sign all these old vets to big contracts, because that worked so well in the past.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

So, what the hell is Artis Hickes, Sean Ryan, Larry Johnson, Rex Grossman and Maake Whatsisface?

Old vets who came cheap, injured and/or homophobic.

Maybe now and then, when you make your automatic leap to the defense of everything the redskins do, you should actually read what you write first..

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Why did your daddy bomb them again? I'm sure it was unprovoked...

It be easier to blog with you if you chit-chat every once and awhile.

Posted by: Vicc

He bombed them because he was ordered to. Flying a B-17. Thirty-five missions. "Unprovoked" only if you were a fan of Nazi Germany.

My point, Vicc is it's always dangerous to lump everyone in one group because of the bad behavior of some of its members.

I've worked with "media" who are among the finest people you or I would ever hope to meet. A much higher percentage of quality people in the Media than in the general populace, I've found. And yeah, some bad ones too. But the bad ones were mostly management.

And that's the main reason media get a bad rep. You think news reporters want to ask widows "how do you feel now that your spouse is dead?" Very few. Or cover the crap they are ordered to cover? Very few. Many of the best have been driven out of the business, and make no mistake "news" has become a business.

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | March 20, 2010 2:00 PM

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Thanx for tha response.

Lumping all media heads into the same category was easier for me to do rather than write a 10 page dissertation about what I meant.

As I explained to rbpalmer, my assertion was not be taken so literally.

I'd settle for every1 in the media to have their salaries made known; kinda like a take your own medicine approach.

Mike Sellers is one among many athletes who've expressed frustration with the way the media handles their business.

It's unfortunate and terrible what happened to Erin Andrews. I just feel like it's equally terrible to tell the world Albert just got a 40 million dollar bonus.

Posted by: Vicc | March 20, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Porter's production went down last year. We don't need players on the decline, we need players who haven't maxed their potential. If this ends up being nothing but a rebuilding year so be it. Better that than having high expectations because of doling out a lot of cash to waning careers looking for a big contract.

Posted by: jfoster13 | March 21, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

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