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Redskins still await signatures of Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh

On the day they were tendered contracts, cornerback Carlos Rogers and linebacker Rocky McIntosh expressed their frustration about the process.

Now, today is the last day on which restricted free agents can sign offer sheets with other clubs and the Redskins are still awaiting the signatures of Rogers and McIntosh on their one-year contracts.

Under the terms of the uncapped 2010 season, Rogers and McIntosh are among many players, including quarterback Jason Campbell, who would have been unrestricted free agents in a "normal" year but are restricted now. The Redskins were able to retain their rights by tendering restricted players one-year contracts, which they did.

The Redskins could have matched offer sheets from other teams or received draft compensation has they declined to match. But Rogers and McIntosh apparently haven't received offers from other teams.

Beginning Friday, the Redskins could only receive compensation through trades for restricted free agents. Restricted free agents only become unrestricted if teams withdraw tender offers.

Campbell, replaced as Washington's starter by Donovan McNabb, signed his one-year contract Monday. The Redskins have permitted Campbell's agent to continue to seek trades for Campbell past today's deadline for him to sign elsewhere.

Before free agency began, many people in the business told us there would be little movement in the talent-rich restricted market because teams were especially reluctant to part with draft picks. And next year's unrestricted class is expected to be the deepest ever.

Rogers and McIntosh said they were not happy about being in this position. For what it's worth, they're not alone.

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By Jason Reid  |  April 15, 2010; 6:28 AM ET
Categories:  Free agency , Jason Reid  | Tags: Carlos Rogers, Free agent, Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins  
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What happens if they don't sign it?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 15, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

pabrian2003

"Never argue with an idiot...they wear you down and beat you with experience....."


I'm stealing this line.

Why?

'Cuz it explains why people get tired when they argue with me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

What happens if they don't sign it?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 15, 2010 6:49 AM

They sit at home and don't get paid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I`m a little suprised some team didn`t make Rocky an offer....a no. 2 pick I think.
Rogers..well every fan in DC knows why he didn`t get an offer. He still thinks he is a good corner..maybe he will now look at the total lack of response..and admit to himself..he has been stealing money from the team since they took him with a top 10 pick.
Most fans hope he does NOT sign the tender!!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | April 15, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

"...And next year's unrestricted class is expected to be the deepest ever..."


So you get by with the older types we've added to the backfield, and upgrade next Spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

So you get by with the older types we've added to the backfield, and upgrade next Spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:19 AM |

Thats the rumor

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

"I`m a little suprised some team didn`t make Rocky an offer....a no. 2 pick I think."


Jimmy Johnson's philosophy was that outside linebackers are a dime a dozen.

Most teams follow that philosophy now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

Funny

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM


Boom. Roasted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

What happens if they don't sign it?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 15, 2010 6:49 AM

They sit at home and don't get paid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2010 6:55 AM

Whereas, JC can sit at home and get paid.

Rogers and Rock need to switch to JC's Agent..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins still await signatures of Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh"


Between these two guys, I'd say Rocky is more important as the scheme switch means you need versitility in your linebacking group, and he can play inside and outside.

CR, on the other hand, has done nothing to really distinguish himself given the expectations he arrived with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Whereas, JC can sit at home and get paid.

Rogers and Rock need to switch to JC's Agent..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

LOL!

You can't help yourself, can you?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

this minicamp is the first implementation of a "new offensive system"... ie what Kyle ran in Houston.
Anyone know if its a true WCO?
Did the Eagles (McNabb) run a pure WCO last year?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Whereas, JC can sit at home and get paid.

Rogers and Rock need to switch to JC's Agent..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

LOL!

You can't help yourself, can you?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM
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its like a driving by a car accident .. You dont want to look.. but, you cant help yourself...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Geez, another JC hating idiot letting bias cloud facts...I don't know what part of "Hey Jason, you don't fit in our plans, just sit home and wait for us to trade you" is his fault, but there's no indication that's the case for Rogers and Rocky Mac. They need to sign and get their asses to camp.

But hey, I'm sure the two guys b*tching about their inability to "cash in" in FA are sooo much better for the Redskins than the guy who's done nothing but shut up and done what he's been told for 5 years...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:01 AM
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you need to switch to de-caf..

We all know he has an agreement with Shanahan to stay away while his agent tries to trade him.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Between these two guys, I'd say Rocky is more important as the scheme switch means you need versitility in your linebacking group, and he can play inside and outside.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM


Completely disagree...Rocky doesn't really translate to the 3-4. He's a smaller OLB, which means he'd get eaten alive as a OLB in a 3-4 and his only real hope of sticking around here is if he can show the ability to play ILB in the 3-4.

Rogers has obviously been decidedly mediocre here, but he also plays a position that we're already very thin at. If I have to choose (which is like getting the choice between getting run over by a bus or a tractor-trailer), I'd roll with Rogers because you at least know he can hold down a starting spot for a year, regardless of the system.

Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

this minicamp is the first implementation of a "new offensive system"... ie what Kyle ran in Houston.
Anyone know if its a true WCO?
Did the Eagles (McNabb) run a pure WCO last year?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 7:57 AM


I'm not sure there is a "pure WCO" anymore...all I know is that by all appearances, this system will fit Donovan better than the one in Philly because it'll emphasis the run much more and allow him to go down the field more. So hopefully, he won't be asked to win games by himself like he was in Philly.

But the transition shouldn't be bad for him...it's really only the terminology that changes, the principles and what not are all pretty much the same.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

its like a driving by a car accident .. You dont want to look.. but, you cant help yourself...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Yeah, thanks.

Slow down and look at the accident that you're not involved in, can't do anything about -- WHILE THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP BEHIND YOU!

Hopefully you don't live in any areas where the traffic is really bad like NY, LA, and D.C.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Nobody made them offers, because they stink... THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY THE REDSKINS TERNDERED THEM AN OFFER!

Mcintosh and Rogers are underrated losers...

Two words.. Double Move

Ten more words... Dropped Interception Against Seattle in the playoffs... and countless others!

Rogers cost Gibbs a shot at a fourth super bowl win!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought Albert and cash to Baltimore for gaithier. Draft suh if he falls if not trade down for a later 1st and maybe a 2nd or 3rd and draft a rt and maybe a guard. This could work out for us but in the end I trust shanny will do something cause he's the expert! go skinz!

Posted by: Skinz49 | April 15, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

That comment is a masterpiece.. Bravo!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought Albert and cash to Baltimore for gaithier.

Posted by: Skinz49 | April 15, 2010 8:15 AM


Um, just a couple problems with that: 1) you can't trade cash in the NFL and 2) the Ravens don't want AH. Plus Ozzie is saying that Gaither isn't on the block and that the rumors were just a way to get him to shape up (although that's probably just posturing).

But hey, it's fun doing stuff like that on Madden!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

They will both sign...

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

What happens if they don't sign it?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 15, 2010 6:49 AM
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That's a good question and you would think a journalist worth his salt would have included that in an article such as up top. As near as I can figure, the tender signing deadline is just for soliciting offers from other teams. After the date, the teams can't make offers to the players and have to work through the teams for a trade. By signing his tender earlier, Campbell put it in the team's hands to negotiate a contract. This was probably a good move because the automatic compensation under RFA would have been a first round draft pick and no team would give that up for Campbell. On the other hand, Mac and Stone Hands figure they aren't going to be traded, so no rush. I suspect they are hoping for a contract offer. I suspect they won't get it since the team is getting off cheap this year on their tender offer and next year the free agent pool will be knee deep in talent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought Albert and cash to Baltimore for gaithier. ...

Posted by: Skinz49 | April 15, 2010 8:15 AM

Who is Gaithier? I just checked the entire Baltimore roster, and there isn't even a name close to that. Is he on the Orioles or something?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

deep down in places I don't talk about at parties, I have a feeling that perhaps NE is looking at AH. This, trading AH to NE, would be a somewhat typical BBeli move. Get a guy making reasonable money, who is an impact player. I'd send him to NE for 2 of their 2nds.

Now prior to flaming me, I realize slim and none for this to happen, but, it just seems somewhat reasonable for it to happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Nobody made them offers, because they stink... THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY THE REDSKINS TERNDERED THEM AN OFFER!

Mcintosh and Rogers are underrated losers...

Two words.. Double Move

Ten more words... Dropped Interception Against Seattle in the playoffs... and countless others!

Rogers cost Gibbs a shot at a fourth super bowl win!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:14 AM
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Go ahead and spew forth your hate on Rogers, if you must, but leave Mac out of it. The only issue with Mac is that he might not fit in a 3-4 defense so well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

ESPN analyst Jon Gruden is imparting his wisdom to the highest-profile quarterbacks in this year’s NFL draft. Of course, it’s all being filmed, and the best parts will be shown on the Worldwide Leader.

So, there have to be some, um, interesting exchanges between the old coach and the new QBs, yes?

Well there’s one Gruden exchange with Texas’ Colt McCoy. Seems Gruden would like to take the Texas out of the boy.

"You’ve got that southern drawl, man," Gruden tells McCoy in one preview clip. "You’re a hard guy to understand. … You gotta speak clearly, man. You gotta lose that accent."

Gruden then asks McCoy to call a play, as if he were in the huddle. After McCoy finishes, Gruden responds: "I missed about 30 percent of that."

Posted by: skinfanman | April 15, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"Have it on good authority that but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it."

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

that's funny. i thought you were going to say something like, "CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions...but just as he brings the pen close to the contract, bruce allen yanks it away and CR22 starts writing on the table."

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | April 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Who is Gaithier? I just checked the entire Baltimore roster, and there isn't even a name close to that. Is he on the Orioles or something?
Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

LT on Baltimore. Sorry I may have misspelled his name.

Posted by: Skinz49 | April 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

deep down in places I don't talk about at parties, I have a feeling that perhaps NE is looking at AH. This, trading AH to NE, would be a somewhat typical BBeli move. Get a guy making reasonable money, who is an impact player. I'd send him to NE for 2 of their 2nds.

Now prior to flaming me, I realize slim and none for this to happen, but, it just seems somewhat reasonable for it to happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:23 AM
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Won't flame you, Bean because it makes sense. They have ample draft picks to burn and Haynesworth would help them. Belichick's ego would come into play as well. I think he derives a lot of pleasure in making players out of other teams' castoffs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Now prior to flaming me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:23 AM

No way anyone up here would flame you. You're inflammable on RI. As soon as we go after you, Florio will put the exact same rumor up on PFT and you'll post it here four minutes before he puts it up. You're the man!

Posted by: League-Source | April 15, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

deep down in places I don't talk about at parties, I have a feeling that perhaps NE is looking at AH. This, trading AH to NE, would be a somewhat typical BBeli move. Get a guy making reasonable money, who is an impact player. I'd send him to NE for 2 of their 2nds.

Now prior to flaming me, I realize slim and none for this to happen, but, it just seems somewhat reasonable for it to happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:23 AM


Greg, I doubt we get 2 2nd rounders, but I wouldn't put it past Belichick to try something like that. But isn't the whole problem here that AH doesn't wanna play a 3-4? I mean, Belichick only has a slight edge on Shanahan in gravitas so I don't see him making that concession for him per se.

But I would love to see us get a deal like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

deep down in places I don't talk about at parties, I have a feeling that perhaps NE is looking at AH. This, trading AH to NE, would be a somewhat typical BBeli move. Get a guy making reasonable money, who is an impact player. I'd send him to NE for 2 of their 2nds.

Now prior to flaming me, I realize slim and none for this to happen, but, it just seems somewhat reasonable for it to happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


The world has done a one-eighty on its axis when bean is speculating.

Is Wilfork still franchise tagged?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Skinfanman, I saw that segment on Gruden...in this day and age of PC bullsh*t, I'm still waiting for the uproar from the redneck population about that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

red, VWilfork signed a new deal, so AH definetly wouldn't be playing NT.

brown, If AH gets traded, I can't see, given how much he'll cost the next 3 years HOW they can ask for less than 2 2nds, or a 1 and a 3??

Lets not forget that this cat can flat out screw stuff up on the line, he's still a great player.

NE has stayed out of free agency, and they've caught some grief for it, making the move to get AH, would be HUGE For them...

ls, not even gonna address, your rumor-mongering accusation above...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

Vic1, Great comment! I'm still laughing about that one.

Posted by: lewylupo | April 15, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Weren't they both tendered for a 2nd round pick? Also I would love to see a list of all the RFA's that were moved this year? I feel like few if any players changed teams via RFA.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

red, VWilfork signed a new deal, so AH definetly wouldn't be playing NT.

brown, If AH gets traded, I can't see, given how much he'll cost the next 3 years HOW they can ask for less than 2 2nds, or a 1 and a 3??

Lets not forget that this cat can flat out screw stuff up on the line, he's still a great player.

NE has stayed out of free agency, and they've caught some grief for it, making the move to get AH, would be HUGE For them...

ls, not even gonna address, your rumor-mongering accusation above...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:39 AM

My sources tell me that bean is correct. I had lunch with a high ranking NE exec yesterday.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

brown, If AH gets traded, I can't see, given how much he'll cost the next 3 years HOW they can ask for less than 2 2nds, or a 1 and a 3??

Lets not forget that this cat can flat out screw stuff up on the line, he's still a great player.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:39 AM


I don't doubt the team will ASK for that...I just don't know who is gonna be willing to pay that when there's no discernible market for his services via trade. I mean, we know he's CAPABLE of being dominant, we just haven't seen it when he's not being motivated by a big payday. Seems to me, teams around the league will be thinking the same thing.

That said, I think it'll take an arrogant coach with job security who thinks he can get the most out of him to bet the farm on him like we'd want him to. And of anyone in the league, that best describes Belichick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

... and I will have lunch with Rosie O'Donnell today!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

... and I will have lunch with Rosie O'Donnell today!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:47 AM


Um, correction: Rosie O'Donnell will have lunch and you will watch. Can't see you getting a bite in with that hungry, hungry hippo across the table...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

That comment is a masterpiece.. Bravo!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 8:17 AM

Not surprising you two gel. Combined, you're barely a half wit.

Posted by: mack1 | April 15, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Slow down and look at the accident that you're not involved in, can't do anything about -- WHILE THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP BEHIND YOU!

Hopefully you don't live in any areas where the traffic is really bad like NY, LA, and D.C.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 8:13 AM
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nope.. on a boat about 200 yards from where they filmed Perfect Storm..
But I know the traffic in DC.. Doesn't make friggn sense when you can telecommute.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Can't see you being able to keep food down and not puke with that hungry, hungry hippo across the table...

fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

They should go get a real job.

See how they like that.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | April 15, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

With the way that the team structured Big Al's contract we will probably be more likely to trade him next season.

Just my guess. But by doing the front-loading thing with him and Hall they are going to be making very reasonable sums of money in a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

snagm, stripers in yet?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Miss Cleo was on ESPN and "predicted" that the Wizards would land LeBron James.

I'm not sure which is more disturbing...the prospect that D.C. could land both Donovan McNabb AND LeBron in the same year or the fact that they actually found Miss Cleo...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The Whizards improved by seven wins this NBA season.

Thing is though, they won only 19 games in '08-'09.

CLE vs. CHI - CLE in 4
BOS vs. MIA - BOS in 6
ATL vs. MIL - ATL in 5
ORL vs. CHA - ORL in 5


LA vs. OKC - LA in 5
DEN vs. UT - DEN in 7
PHO vs. POR - PHO in 6
DAL vs. SA - DAL in 6

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure which is more disturbing...the prospect that D.C. could land both Donovan McNabb AND LeBron in the same year or the fact that they actually found Miss Cleo...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

He is a local.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

CR can't catch, but he can cover. At the price, you keep him. Hopefully the lack of offers means he'll be more likely to re-sign at a good rate if the team wants him in 2011.

Seriously how many CBs would you rank ahead of Rogers? 10? 20? 40?! He's still easily starting material.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 15, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Rosie O'Donnell was a fat Betty Rubble...

That's all I really know about her, and the few movies that I've seen her in.

Really can't understand why she is so relevant.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

CR can't catch, but he can cover. At the price, you keep him. Hopefully the lack of offers means he'll be more likely to re-sign at a good rate if the team wants him in 2011.

Seriously how many CBs would you rank ahead of Rogers? 10? 20? 40?! He's still easily starting material.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 15, 2010 9:11 AM
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He's made some glaring mistakes and every one hates on him for that, but, if you take away the lack of interceptions, he isn't a bad CB. Let me throw my wishful thinking in again and say I think moving Rogers to free safety and putting Landry at strong safety would really help the team. Aside from Landry (snickers begin) and possibly Kareem Moore, no other safety on the roster has decent coverage skills. Moving Rogers to free would improve overall coverage. I'm thinking the defense being brought to the Redskins is going to require the safeties to cover a lot more and it makes sense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

red

"Rosie O'Donnell was a fat Betty Rubble...That's all I really know about her, and the few movies that I've seen her in."


She's a whale in the fish porn movie called "The Butch Says Don't Free Willy".

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Miss Cleo is a he-b*tch?

brown, Miss Cleo read Micheal Lee's blog from yesterday and came up with that crap.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Seriously how many CBs would you rank ahead of Rogers? 10? 20? 40?! He's still easily starting material.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 15, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I always feel like if you took the top 10 corners in the NFL, and cut their hands off. They would be on par with Rogers.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

red

"Rosie O'Donnell was a fat Betty Rubble...That's all I really know about her, and the few movies that I've seen her in."

She's a whale in the fish porn movie called "The Butch Says Don't Free Willy".

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 9:19 AM
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I thought it was "The Clash of the Carpet Munchers"... but maybe I am wrong about that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Let me throw my wishful thinking in again and say I think moving Rogers to free safety and putting Landry at strong safety would really help the team. Aside from Landry (snickers begin) and possibly Kareem Moore, no other safety on the roster has decent coverage skills. Moving Rogers to free would improve overall coverage. I'm thinking the defense being brought to the Redskins is going to require the safeties to cover a lot more and it makes sense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead


Carlos Rogers' moniker is 'double move'.

How would Carlos Rogers improve coverage when he is known for falling for the double move?

And you want that guy at safety?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

red, agreed, switching positions isn't going to help.

what cr needs to do is dedicate himself to his craft, spend HOURS in front of a juggs machine catching balls...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Wah! Carlos must need more earings...The nerve of you thinking you deserve a big payday. Do you really think you could get more money and playing time on another team???

And Rocky, we'd like to see you make some more plays in the passing game. You're ok against the run.

And Jason Reid, if they're not alone and if there are other players that want more cash, play better and win.

Posted by: boricuabopper | April 15, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

snagm, stripers in yet?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:55 AM

not warm enough for stripers.. baby haddock is whats happening, right now..
so you know..Glostah.. ??

I'm a Sox fan with tix but hate BB. Pats I can take but, BB is a as-s.
Want to know how to pis-s off a Pats fan..?? Suggest that Belichick, without his videographer (ie. spygate fallout), is now the same Belichick that coached in Cleveland. Brady is the only difference maker that keeps him from replicating his W-L record in Cleveland with Kosar (37-45).
My guess, its also why Weiss (Pats Offensive Coordinator 2000-2005?) dropped off (lost his "genius") when he went to ND, no infrastructure that was feeding Defensive signals to his signal caller.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson's philosophy was that outside linebackers are a dime a dozen.

Most teams follow that philosophy now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM

Warrick Holdman ... ugh.

Skins drafted one of those dozen per dime OLBs last year ... he started in the Super Bowl for the Colts.

Posted by: dcsween | April 15, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

its like a driving by a car accident .. You dont want to look.. but, you cant help yourself...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM


What are you talking about!? It IS a car accident! The driver (coach) keeps changing, and sometimes the navigator (GM), while sometimes passengers (players) bail out and others foolishly climb in. Sometimes passengers are thrown out while others that want out are told to sit down and shut up. In the meantime, one thing has more-or-less remained constant: Danny keeps trying to take the wheel, screaming "it's my car...let me drive!"

Posted by: barriesargent | April 15, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Between these two guys, I'd say Rocky is more important as the scheme switch means you need versitility in your linebacking group, and he can play inside and outside.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM


Completely disagree...Rocky doesn't really translate to the 3-4. He's a smaller OLB, which means he'd get eaten alive as a OLB in a 3-4 and his only real hope of sticking around here is if he can show the ability to play ILB in the 3-4.

Rogers has obviously been decidedly mediocre here, but he also plays a position that we're already very thin at. If I have to choose (which is like getting the choice between getting run over by a bus or a tractor-trailer), I'd roll with Rogers because you at least know he can hold down a starting spot for a year, regardless of the system.

Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

6'2" 238 in not a small OLB

Posted by: mattphillips | April 15, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Between these two guys, I'd say Rocky is more important as the scheme switch means you need versitility in your linebacking group, and he can play inside and outside.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM


Completely disagree...Rocky doesn't really translate to the 3-4. He's a smaller OLB, which means he'd get eaten alive as a OLB in a 3-4 and his only real hope of sticking around here is if he can show the ability to play ILB in the 3-4.

Rogers has obviously been decidedly mediocre here, but he also plays a position that we're already very thin at. If I have to choose (which is like getting the choice between getting run over by a bus or a tractor-trailer), I'd roll with Rogers because you at least know he can hold down a starting spot for a year, regardless of the system.

Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

6'2" 238 in not a small OLB

Posted by: mattphillips | April 15, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

spend HOURS in front of a juggs machine catching balls...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 9:30 AM

and then he needs a few hours on the double move machine

Posted by: League-Source | April 15, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Between these two guys, I'd say Rocky is more important as the scheme switch means you need versitility in your linebacking group, and he can play inside and outside.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 7:55 AM


Completely disagree...Rocky doesn't really translate to the 3-4. He's a smaller OLB, which means he'd get eaten alive as a OLB in a 3-4 and his only real hope of sticking around here is if he can show the ability to play ILB in the 3-4.

Rogers has obviously been decidedly mediocre here, but he also plays a position that we're already very thin at. If I have to choose (which is like getting the choice between getting run over by a bus or a tractor-trailer), I'd roll with Rogers because you at least know he can hold down a starting spot for a year, regardless of the system.

Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

6'2" 238 is not a small OLB in the NFL.

Posted by: mattphillips | April 15, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

its like a driving by a car accident .. You dont want to look.. but, you cant help yourself...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM


What are you talking about!? It IS a car accident! The driver (coach) keeps changing, and sometimes the navigator (GM), while sometimes passengers (players) bail out and others foolishly climb in. Sometimes passengers are thrown out while others that want out are told to sit down and shut up. In the meantime, one thing has more-or-less remained constant: Danny keeps trying to take the wheel, screaming "it's my car...let me drive!"

Posted by: barriesargent | April 15, 2010 9:39 AM

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nicely done.. and who wont stop to ask directions?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

snagm, used to work on a boat out of Bourne, the "All Hooked Up".....did a charter with Damon Saco of the Castafari, kind of a famous cat in shark tournament circles...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted April 14, 2010 @ 4:46 p.m. ET
By PFW staff
The Redskins announced Wednesday that they have re-signed OT Stephon Heyer and DL Anthony Montgomery, both restricted free agents. Terms of the deals were not disclosed.

Heyer, 26, has played in 37 games in his three seasons with Washington, including 28 starts. The 6-6, 330-pound Heyer started all 16 games last season, including 13 at right tackle and three at left tackle.

Montgomery, also 26, has played in 42 games, with 22 starts, in his four seasons with the Redskins. The 6-6, 330-pound Montgomery played in only seven games with the team in 2009.

Posted by: McMetal | April 15, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

6'2" 238 in not a small OLB

Posted by: mattphillips | April 15, 2010 9:40 AM


Matt, go around the league and look at the size of OLBs in a 3-4. I guarantee there's not a single one under 240 pounds.

Usually, 3-4 OLBs are the same size as 4-3 DEs. So unless you think Rocky would be a fine DE in a 4-3, he won't play OLB anymore.

At least not here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

6'2" 238 in not a small OLB

Posted by: mattphillips | April 15, 2010 9:40 AM


Matt, go around the league and look at the size of OLBs in a 3-4. I guarantee there's not a single one under 240 pounds.

Usually, 3-4 OLBs are the same size as 4-3 DEs. So unless you think Rocky would be a fine DE in a 4-3, he won't play OLB anymore.

At least not here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

snagm, used to work on a boat out of Bourne, the "All Hooked Up".....did a charter with Damon Saco of the Castafari, kind of a famous cat in shark tournament circles...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 9:50 AM
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know of him..never had the privilege going out with him (on his boat).. Dude is a record holder.. I believe..... Saw him one summer in MV hanging with Lenny Clarke and his wife (charter captn)...
We're going to be in MV in September (best time to be there..great weather and half the tourists). I'm taking my boys to see the Shark Tournament in Oak Bluffs...maybe the bluefish tourney, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted April 14, 2010 @ 4:46 p.m. ET
By PFW staff
The Redskins announced Wednesday that they have re-signed OT Stephon Heyer and DL Anthony Montgomery, both restricted free agents. Terms of the deals were not disclosed.

Heyer, 26, has played in 37 games in his three seasons with Washington, including 28 starts. The 6-6, 330-pound Heyer started all 16 games last season, including 13 at right tackle and three at left tackle.

Montgomery, also 26, has played in 42 games, with 22 starts, in his four seasons with the Redskins. The 6-6, 330-pound Montgomery played in only seven games with the team in 2009.

Posted by: McMetal | April 15, 2010 9:56 AM
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this bit of news reminds me of an old favorite band.. The Crash Test Dummies.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

JETS. Defensive tackle, Howard Green has scheduled a two day visit with the Redskins.

Posted by: dashriprock | April 15, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

snagm, yeah, he was 5 minutes late for the final gun at the weigh in for the Monster Shark a few years back, and he had a monster, literally...1200 pound tiger

dude's got a bunch of boats, when he was on the boat I was on, one of his boats was busted, so we took his charter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...go around the league and look at the size of OLBs in a 3-4. I guarantee there's not a single one under 240 pounds."


Well, from the stillers there's:

Harrison, James OLB 6-0 242

He weighs just four pounds more than Rocky.

So I guess you're right.

Somewhat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

If Rogers came thru the door to sign his paperwork, I would rip it up before he gets a pen! That dude should take a bus out of town as much as he ripped the Redskins off! He may be a starting CB but he was a wasted draft pick. Skins should trade Rogers and take whatever you can and add another CB to this team. Skins should of drafted Merriman. As for Rocky, Skins have a good player and should keep him. He enjoys the game and still can get better.

Posted by: rcjur | April 15, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Defensive tackle, Howard Green has scheduled a two day visit with the Redskins."

I think that if they sign this guy, then they have a plan in place to trade AH.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

snagm, yeah, he was 5 minutes late for the final gun at the weigh in for the Monster Shark a few years back, and he had a monster, literally...1200 pound tiger

dude's got a bunch of boats, when he was on the boat I was on, one of his boats was busted, so we took his charter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 10:09 AM
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damn.. I remember that.. I wasnt on the island that day.. but, it was big news everywhere..... My boys (7 and 9 yrs) have never seen the weigh in.. I may have to put diapers on them again when the see the 10-13 ft ones come in..
A few years back we were swimming below the OB pier and looked up to see sharks swimming above us.. somehow they were attracted by the OB Ferry,....nearly crap-ped in my suit.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Moe,,
That was my thoughts trade AH,for players picks, cash, or all of thee above .

Quick Bio,,,
Howard Green is: 6'2" 320 with 6yrs exp and is 31 years of age.

Additionally Green had 23 solo tackles for the Jets last year.

Posted by: dashriprock | April 15, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, from the stillers there's:

Harrison, James OLB 6-0 242

He weighs just four pounds more than Rocky.

So I guess you're right.

Somewhat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:11 AM


Yeah, but have you seen how he's built? The guy is like a human bowling ball. So you could count him as an exception, I guess but Rocky is a much smaller build than Harrison.

Plus the skill set is different.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey, is it me or does the pic of Mcnabb on the main Wapo Redskin page look like a cross between Al Roker and Obama? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

http://ducksaysquack.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/ann-curry-would/

http://reason.com/blog/2009/06/23/obamas-not-so-secret-shame

Posted by: smokeybear2 | April 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Matt, go around the league and look at the size of OLBs in a 3-4. I guarantee there's not a single one under 240 pounds.

Usually, 3-4 OLBs are the same size as 4-3 DEs. So unless you think Rocky would be a fine DE in a 4-3, he won't play OLB anymore.

At least not here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Rocky will be fine at OLB. A lot of those guys are 240-245. It seems that most 3-4 teams have at least one undersized LB. He may be inside or outside but they all typically have a smaller 240 pounder somewhere. New England has Mayo at 245 on the inside. Green Bay has an OLB that's 239 and an ILB that's 236.

Arizona-Haggans 243
Pitt - Harrison 242
Baltimore - Gooden 242

Rocky can put on 2 pounds if he needs it. It seems that the one OLB needs to be able to fall back into coverage while the other rushes the passer. The guy that falls into coverage must also help with the run but I think with Fletch and Rocky we'll be fine in coverage and with Fletch and Jarmon we'll be fine against the run. I'm not worried about Rocky. If he's the coverage guy then 238 is fine. Orakpo is the pass rusher so 260 is better for him. I think with Rocky, Fletch, Jarmon, and Orakpo we will be fine at LB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Defensive tackle, Howard Green has scheduled a two day visit with the Redskins."

I think that if they sign this guy, then they have a plan in place to trade AH.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:19 AM

I think that he visited on Tuesday and Wednesday. But why was he here? Not to replace AH. Guy is 31 years old and has had 78 tackles in his career. At least for a 31 year old he should be well rested.

Posted by: League-Source | April 15, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Moe,,
That was my thoughts trade AH,for players picks, cash, or all of thee above .

Quick Bio,,,
Howard Green is: 6'2" 320 with 6yrs exp and is 31 years of age.

Additionally Green had 23 solo tackles for the Jets last year.

Posted by: dashriprock | April 15, 2010 10:27 AM

The writing certainly looks to be plain as day. Which probably means it is not what we would logically conclude. Green is a decent backup from what I read, but he is a liability at NT if he plays a significant time. Include the fact that big Samo is still rehabbing, the Skins need to find another starter at NT ASAP if haynesworth is dealt.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

At least for a 31 year old he should be well rested.

Posted by: League-Source

*Insert joke here*

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Rocky will be fine at OLB. A lot of those guys are 240-245. It seems that most 3-4 teams have at least one undersized LB. He may be inside or outside but they all typically have a smaller 240 pounder somewhere. New England has Mayo at 245 on the inside. Green Bay has an OLB that's 239 and an ILB that's 236.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 10:30 AM


The guys that you're talking about are mostly backups or marginal starters. And it's not all about size...I mean, that's part of it but like I conceded to Moe, James Harrison is an exception to that rule. But you have to take into account the skill set...Harrison plays a lot like a DE and has amazing leverage and lower body strength for a player his size. Even though there's only a 4 pound difference, you can't say that same thing about Rocky.

So if we're rollin' with Rocky this year because we HAVE to, then that's one thing. But he's got no real future in a 3-4 as an OLB when you take into account that he's best used as a WLB in a Tampa 2-style of defense. I don't get how we're not shopping him to a team like Chicago or Tampa that actually runs that style of defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I've heard rumours from a leage source that Rocky and Rogers were going to be packaged in a block buster trade to San fran for our #1 pick !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | April 15, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know if its a true WCO?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

SNAGM:

Its more like a hybrid West Coast with Andre Johnson dragging double coverage deep and hitting a lot of short and intermediate stuff to his mates. Running game uses a lot of passes to backs too. Running game uses the zone blocking which doesn't work real well in 4th Q. when they should be using clock on the ground.

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I could use a few hours in front of a Juggs Machine.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I thought that Shannahans both had an ideology of "West Coast but conform around what the players do best"

In Houston they were west coast but because they had the most dominant WR in the NFL they threw it deep a lot. In Denver Mikey had a few different "systems", he did different things with Elway and davis than he did with CP and whoever was QB.

So my gut tells me we will be running the "system of success"

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

deep down in places I don't talk about at parties, I have a feeling that perhaps NE is looking at AH. This, trading AH to NE, would be a somewhat typical BBeli move. Get a guy making reasonable money, who is an impact player. I'd send him to NE for 2 of their 2nds.

Now prior to flaming me, I realize slim and none for this to happen, but, it just seems somewhat reasonable for it to happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse


I don't think it's such a far-fetched idea. NE's defense took a step back last year and their run D got particularly exposed in the playoffs...I think Ray Rice is still running to the end zone.

AH would be a classic Belicheat reclamation project a-la Randy Moss and Corey Dillon.

But I would not give up AH for anything less than a 1st and a 2nd.

Brandon Marshall fetched two 2nd rounders, even though the Fins had to give him an enormous contract. Since NE would not have to give AH that kind of contract, the price goes up.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I could use a few hours in front of a Juggs Machine.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2010 10:51 AM

Won't that make your blow-up doll jealous? Could ruin your relationship if you don't take her to couples counseling.

Posted by: League-Source | April 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Well, from the stillers there's:

Harrison, James OLB 6-0 242

He weighs just four pounds more than Rocky.

So I guess you're right.

Somewhat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse


???

Why are James Harrison and Rocky Mac being mentioned together in the same thought??

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"Defensive tackle, Howard Green has scheduled a two day visit with the Redskins."

I think that if they sign this guy, then they have a plan in place to trade AH.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Um, I hope not.

I think the FO knows that Keaomatu is not going to be ready for training camp and they need bodies to fill space at NT.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

L-Source

"I think that he (Green) visited on Tuesday and Wednesday. But why was he here? Not to replace AH."


No, I mean it seems as if the FO is assembling depth at the position.

They've added Bryant to the mix of Golston, Montgomery, Kemoteau, Daniels, and AH(?).

If they add Green, suddenly a thin position has some veteren depth, meaning you can trade AH and replce him with a rookie that plays in a rotation of mature guys.

We've said all along, why trade AH when you'd have to replace him?

Adding more defensive tackle depth makes me think they'll use random bodies and a rookie to replace one guy who creates random havoc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion. Some good stuff being said. If Wilson and Orakpo can hold it down on the outside we'll be okay. I think Fletch and RockyMac will be fine in the middle. Gonna be interesting to see 2 converted LB's on the outside though. I think we may need one more.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know if its a true WCO?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

SNAGM:

Its more like a hybrid West Coast with Andre Johnson dragging double coverage deep and hitting a lot of short and intermediate stuff to his mates. Running game uses a lot of passes to backs too. Running game uses the zone blocking which doesn't work real well in 4th Q. when they should be using clock on the ground.

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:44 AM
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thanks E1Yeah..
this subject should be explored by a WaPo writer instead of the JC Enquirer sht.

It would also seem a common denominator to both Sr's and Jr's scheme is a dominant WR. Perhaps a component of a Draft Day multi-player blockbuster trade?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

what cr needs to do is dedicate himself to his craft, spend HOURS in front of a juggs machine catching balls...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 9:30 AM

And not just the regular juggs machine ... he needs to be in front of the Baldinger.

Posted by: dcsween | April 15, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

They've added Bryant to the mix of Golston, Montgomery, Kemoteau, Daniels, and AH(?).

If they add Green, suddenly a thin position has some veteren depth, meaning you can trade AH and replce him with a rookie that plays in a rotation of mature guys.

We've said all along, why trade AH when you'd have to replace him?

Adding more defensive tackle depth makes me think they'll use random bodies and a rookie to replace one guy who creates random havoc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse


Ar Golston and Daniels NTs??

I'm pretty sure those are DEs in a 3-4. I think they are adding NT depth to the mix of Monty, AH and Keaomatu.

Bryant and Green will provide bodies b/c Keaomatu won't be ready to go for camp. I imagine one of those guys has a chance to make the roster for depth.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion. Some good stuff being said. If Wilson and Orakpo can hold it down on the outside we'll be okay. I think Fletch and RockyMac will be fine in the middle. Gonna be interesting to see 2 converted LB's on the outside though. I think we may need one more.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM

I am worried/concerned that they are talking about Lorenzo Alexander as a converted outside LB…..we’ll see how it goes in pre-season, but to me, that is a mighty big stretch calling him a linebacker……I do think that Orakpo will flourish though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I am worried/concerned that they are talking about Lorenzo Alexander as a converted outside LB…..we’ll see how it goes in pre-season, but to me, that is a mighty big stretch calling him a linebacker……I do think that Orakpo will flourish though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse


Orakpo will flourish if he has AH on the line in front of him.

No AH, and I start to wonder...not that I'm saying Orakpo is a bum, but I think he goes from potentially "great" to "good".

It will be a different story for him if he's constantly going to face double teams - which he would if you take AH out of the equation. Defenses would then key-in on Rak.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM
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dont hold your baldinger.. Its still early in the blogging day.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I heard yesterday the 'Three Rivers Rapist' (tell me that doesn't sound legit) lost his endorsement deal with plbsports.com who sold Big Ben's Beef Jerky.

I thought two things:

1) How is it that you're a two time winning super bowl QB and the best endorsement deal you have is with an relatively unknown food company in Pittsburgh? No Nike? Reebok? British Knights?

2) Given his tarnished image from these "alleged" sexual assaults, it's probably best not to promote "Big Ben's Beef Jerky" -- for both parties.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM
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dont hold your baldinger.. Its still early in the blogging day.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


I admit that I'm as big an AH/JC debate culprit as anyone up here...but I've been behaving myself so far.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Please keep C. Rogers, he is comic relief when watching the Landover Losers.

Posted by: redsoxnation | April 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"Are Golston and Daniels NTs?? I'm pretty sure those are DEs in a 3-4. I think they are adding NT depth to the mix."



Isn't that my point?

They'll play what AH won't.

And if you trade AH, you may walk away from the draft with a stud rookie NT who rotates with them.

Plus: if the idea is to use a hybrid front, it really means guys should see themselves as interchangable parts to some degree.

A tackle might get on the nose.

Ends sometimes are playing tackle.

A NT might drop back in a zone-blitz and play cover.

The jints mix and matched their defensive ends all over the defensive line during their Super Bowl run.

Look at how J Ratliff will line up at NT, then move over to end as an example of the optimum use of a defensive lineman.

I saw a game where D Ware lined up at DT, then ran an inside twist with Ratliff who was playing NT.

That is what a flexible hybrid scheme allows: you can put your best players in position to make great plays rather than adhering to a scheme concept that never changes.

And that final concept is why G Blache was so hated and now gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

P1 I agree that AH makes everyone around him better and want the skins to hold on to him, but Orakpo will get better and better with or without AH in the lineup. With the 4-3 they ran last year, we all wanted them to use him as a DL, where he seemed to have great success. Now with the 3-4 hybrid, they won’t necessarily know he is going after the QB, unless/until he puts his hand on the ground. Now we should really be able to compare him to D Ware on the cowboys. Plus, he’s not a rookie anymore, and play it safe Blatche is long gone.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I am worried/concerned that they are talking about Lorenzo Alexander as a converted outside LB…..we’ll see how it goes in pre-season, but to me, that is a mighty big stretch calling him a linebacker……I do think that Orakpo will flourish though.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse


Is he definetely going to play outside, b/c he seem better suited to play Inside and possibly outside on running situations. But I see him playing more inside with his size and speed. Assumming he drops a few pounds and trims up.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 15, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know if its a true WCO?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

SNAGM:

Its more like a hybrid West Coast with Andre Johnson dragging double coverage deep and hitting a lot of short and intermediate stuff to his mates. Running game uses a lot of passes to backs too. Running game uses the zone blocking which doesn't work real well in 4th Q. when they should be using clock on the ground.

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:44

ummmmmm..that is the west coast system

Posted by: leevi98 | April 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM
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dont hold your baldinger.. Its still early in the blogging day.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


I admit that I'm as big an AH/JC debate culprit as anyone up here...but I've been behaving myself so far.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse
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I've been attending JC AA. When I am about to go into a JC vitrolic diatribe... I call a friend who talks be out of it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"I agree that AH makes everyone around him better and want the skins to hold on to him..."

We made this point about a thousand times last week.

I'm glad the folks who were shouting, "TRADE FAT ALBERT!!" have finally seen the light.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze, I saw Lo Alexander on CSN a few days ago and dude looked slimmer than he was as a defensive linemen.

Lo has a little speed for a guy his size and his strength isn't a question at all.

If I'm concerned about anything it will be his instincts at linebacker.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm on board with the flexible-move-your-playmakers around approach 100%.

That's why I'm in the tank for keeping AH at least for this year.

That's why I hope this talk of keeping him at NT is just talk and they actually do move him around.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

redsoxnation

Would you like to take Javier Vazquez off our hands?

We'll even give you the bat you need to get rid of the guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If I'm concerned about anything it will be his instincts at linebacker.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A guy who's been that flexible his time here should be able to adjust to what they are going to ask of him. He won't be an everydown backer, just a fill in guy for certain packages i.e. running downs and possibly as a guy to eat up blockers during passing situations.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 15, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, red, if anyone can do it, it’s LA……always liked his speed for his size, especially watching the guy cover kicks and punts. I can just see Romo being coached to audible a pass to Witten on Lo’s side every time he sees Alexander playing LB…..

And, Moe, sorry but I haven’t seen any light…..I’ve been saying keep AH from day 1…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

...zone blocking which doesn't work real well in 4th Q...

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:44
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Shenanigans.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

...zone blocking which doesn't work real well in 4th Q...

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:44
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Shenanigans.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 15, 2010 11:52 AM

Shanahanigans?

Posted by: dcsween | April 15, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Pretty refreshing to see a LB discussion instead of the same old tired ass Hayney or JC discussion. Some good stuff being said. If Wilson and Orakpo can hold it down on the outside we'll be okay. I think Fletch and RockyMac will be fine in the middle. Gonna be interesting to see 2 converted LB's on the outside though. I think we may need one more.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:12 AM

I am worried/concerned that they are talking about Lorenzo Alexander as a converted outside LB…..we’ll see how it goes in pre-season, but to me, that is a mighty big stretch calling him a linebacker……I do think that Orakpo will flourish though.
Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

yea, I forgot about him. Until otherwise proven I still say we need another. He's versatile but damn. Wouldn't be putting too many eggs in that basket.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

devo2, you can't coach instincts.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

We're not happy that you can't catch interceptions THROWN RIGHT TO YOU Butter...As for Rocky, get in where you fit in dude. You make good goalline stops, I'll give you that. But you ain't shutting your position down.

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 15, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

No you can keep Javy even though he pitched pretty good yesterday. HA!!!HA!!!HA!!!

Posted by: redsoxnation | April 15, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

redsoxnation

Would you like to take Javier Vazquez off our hands?

We'll even give you the bat you need to get rid of the guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:49 AM
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I bet the Braves would swap you Melky straight up.. His BA almost below a buck?

We got enough problems (sox) but, I am betting Epstein is going to fill in the blanks sooner than later.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The audio track?

Kanye West, Late Registration.

It's turned up real loud.

Track 1:

"I ain't sayin' she's a gold digga..."

"But she ain't f!ckin' wid no broke n!ggas..."

I guess that's why I can't get a date.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the folks who were shouting, "TRADE FAT ALBERT!!" have finally seen the light.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 11:45 AM


I wouldn't confuse "stopped arguing with Moe and Pfunk about it" with "seeing the light". At the end of the day, NONE of us have any sway on the matter so taking a wait and see approach is what's prudent here.

And I wouldn't say AH "makes everyone around him better"...I'd say he attracts attention from blockers and frees up teammates to make plays (which obviously is still very good). Guys who are leaders and teachers (like London Fletcher, Ray Lewis, etc.) REALLY make the guys around them better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

moe, we'll give you ortiz, for a new first base....no not a first basemen, just a new base...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

moe, we'll give you ortiz, for a new first base....no not a first basemen, just a new base...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Oritz is fine you frontrunners. He had the best power numbers in the AL after June last year.

Posted by: redsoxnation | April 15, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We're not happy that you can't catch interceptions THROWN RIGHT TO YOU Butter...As for Rocky, get in where you fit in dude. You make good goalline stops, I'll give you that. But you ain't shutting your position down.

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 15, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I bet the Braves would swap you Melky straight up.. His BA almost below a buck?

We got enough problems (sox) but, I am betting Epstein is going to fill in the blanks sooner than later.

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theo epstein is the chuck norris of baseball GMs ...he doesnt sleep.. he waits.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think that's a decent assessment on position value but the real question is should we draft a safety at #4. You may feel that CB, LT, and DE are all more valuable positions but you must take into account value, need, and prospect grade. The rankings would arguably be:

Based on Value:
LT
CB
DE
FS

Based on need:
LT
FS
CB
DE

Based on prospects
FS
LT
CB
DE

LT is the top choice assuming Okung is there. If he is gone then you have to look at Berry Vs. Trent Williams or somebody else. We already have 2 pass rushing DEs so scratch that off the list. The best CB is probably Haden but he's a reach at #4 and it's arguably not even a need. Berry fills a need and is not a reach at #4. It makes sense to look at Berry but in our case the need for a LT may be too great for us to pass on Trent Williams. If we think we can get a left tackle somewhere else then I don't think we would be wrong to sign Berry.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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Wow, that was a lot of work there, Paskinsfan17, thanks!

I guess we differ: I really feel we need good CB as well in a pass happy league.
Been saying it for months, I'd trade down from #4 to about 7-10 take the best OL available there and then the best player available with that extra pick you get from the trade.
Good day, thanks again.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 15, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

rsn, sorry, that cat is DUN, the job of the DH is to HIT, and hitting he ain't....I'd give him a few more games, but either Lowell or Hermidia should get more time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 15, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ beans

Man has that dude FALLEN...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Oritz is fine you frontrunners. He had the best power numbers in the AL after June last year.

Posted by: redsoxnation | April 15, 2010 12:04 PM
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its why tito keeps putting him in the lineup.. he needs his reps to heat up.. It happens every friggn year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

And I wouldn't say AH "makes everyone around him better"...I'd say he attracts attention from blockers and frees up teammates to make plays (which obviously is still very good). Guys who are leaders and teachers (like London Fletcher, Ray Lewis, etc.) REALLY make the guys around them better.
Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 12:01 PM

I don’t disagree that leaders make the guys around them better, but looking at Tennessee’s defensive stats with Ah and then without (and I believe that he was the only starter not on both teams):

Titans defense with Haynesworth (2008)
Pts allowed – 14.6
Yds allowed – 293.6
Pass yds – 199.8
Rush Yds – 93.9

Titans defense without Haynesworth (2009), and all other starters remain the same from 2008:
Pts allowed – 25.1
Yds allowed – 365.6
Pass yds – 258.7
Rush Yds – 106.9

I understand that stats can be viewed/interpreted countless ways, and that The Titans pretty much sucked for a bertter half of last year, but those are pretty big differences when only one player is missing.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the Lbs, we all know Orakpo should be able to handle the 3-4. thats essentially what he did for the skins last year.... Chris Wilson was following in Orakpo's footsteps and I think he could actually step in on the outside and play relatively well. Only thing, I have no idea what his coverage skills are like. i remember him being burnt a few times last year, but with Blatche everyone seemed to get burnt so who knows....

Inside, its going to be tough for Fletch and Rocky to play up to their normal level. Inside LBS in a 3-4 need to be big dudes and neither Rocky nor Fletch really have the size... however Fletch has heard that hes undersized his whole career so I wont bet against him haha..

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 15, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I understand that stats can be viewed/interpreted countless ways, and that The Titans pretty much sucked for a bertter half of last year, but those are pretty big differences when only one player is missing.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Titans have a ton of injuries to their DBs last year?

or do your stats account for games when those players were healthy?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 15, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

skinsneeda

"I bet the Braves would swap you Melky straight up.. His BA almost below a buck?"

The Yanks made out like banditos in that trade as one of the players they got in exchange for Melky, B Logan, is a decent young pitcher.

And then, if they give up on Vazquez, they'll get value for him in return as he's strictly a NL pitcher.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Titans have a ton of injuries to their DBs last year?
or do your stats account for games when those players were healthy?
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 15, 2010 12:25 PM

I just pulled the high level stuff off of nfl dot com…..didn’t look into (or assume) that all of their starters played all 16 games….in either year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Oritz is fine you frontrunners. He had the best power numbers in the AL after June last year.

Posted by: redsoxnation | April 15, 2010 12:04 PM
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its why tito keeps putting him in the lineup.. he needs his reps to heat up.. It happens every friggn year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

I'll admit, I'm not as familiar with baseball like you all -- I just started following it about five years ago. But should Boston compromise an entire half season just so Ortiz can find his stroke?

It seems like a bit much.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

went to sox/yanks game..
Vegas should have an over/under on the first fan to plummet from the Monster seats.
..just a matter of time.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

red

"But should Boston compromise an entire half season just so Ortiz can find his stroke? It seems like a bit much."


I have two opinions about this.

First, I thought Theo should've made a serious attempt to add H Matsui or bring back J Damon once it appeared NY was done with them.

Ortiz should be released or re-assigned.

Second, the ardent Yanks' fan in me looks for to whenever Lowell and Ortiz come up to bat.

So let's spend half the season letting them find their stroke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

beeps peeps

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

ummmmmm..that is the west coast system

Posted by: leevi98 | April 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Not quite. Those intermediate passes and a lot of the short passes are over the middle. The true WCO tries to spread the defense from sideline to sideline with short routes then chucks one deep over your head. With their offense they are not only using sideline to sidleine but they are are also using the middle a lot more for the deep/intermediate stuff. It's like a combination of a Coryell and a WCO. It makes the most sense. The teams that can use the whole field will have the best offenses. I hated watching Zorn last year only use the middle and intermediate part of the field. The defense just sat there all piled up and we just kept coming right at them. These hybrid systems are awesome. Thye use the whole entire field. They use is from sideline to sideline and from shallow to deep. You don't know where they are going.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I just pulled the high level stuff off of nfl dot com…..didn’t look into (or assume) that all of their starters played all 16 games….in either year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

got it. I think last year they lost both their starting corners for stretches of the year.

I think that has just as much to do with them giving up 60 more passing yds per game as losing AH does.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 15, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

skinsneeda

"I bet the Braves would swap you Melky straight up.. His BA almost below a buck?"

The Yanks made out like banditos in that trade as one of the players they got in exchange for Melky, B Logan, is a decent young pitcher.

And then, if they give up on Vazquez, they'll get value for him in return as he's strictly a NL pitcher.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 12:25 PM
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I think GMs trading for bats from the Yankees need to consider the bats swinging in front and behind that player. Melky was a product of that.

agreed on Vazquez.. Pitchers from NL to AL are psychologically damaged.. Cant handle the thought of 9 potentially damaging batters in a lineup...no let up. Only successful arm I can think of in that NL/AL transition was Schilling.
Cashman will probably trade Vazquez back to the NL and pickup some young farm prospects.. ...no wait, screw that thought....Yanks should keep Vazquez..we need a counter to our Buchholtz.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM


Boom. Roasted.

Posted by: brownwood26

I am laughing as I type this. Thats good.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Enough complaining. Neither Rocky nor Carlos has put up the kind of consistent numbers and performances that would warrant a bonus rich deal.

Perhaps they should be more frustrated with their own play than with the status of the restricted free agents in 2010.

McNabb got dealt. Brandon Marshall got dealt.

There is always a market for marquee players.

Guys like McIntosh and Rogers are medium tier guys.

And other clubs know that.

It's a shame they don't.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

devo2, you can't coach instincts.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Instincts tell kids to stick fork inside power outlets but they learn real fast not to.

I'd say you can teach fundamentals and with practice, effort, and preparation you can behave instinctual

Posted by: Devo2 | April 15, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Have it on good authority that CR22 has tried to sign on multiple occasions but everytime he gets a pen in his hands, he drops it.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 7:37 AM


Funniest post EVER!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: davefromdc1 | April 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

cornerback definition
corner·back (-bak′)

noun

Football either of two defensive backs who are positioned outside of the linebackers and are primarily responsible for covering pass receivers, and preventing them from catching the ball.

That's for you Carlos Rogers, because I don't think you know what you're suppose to do on the field, at least your actions show that you don't. Yet you have the audacity to complain about being offered a one year tender!! You are lucky to get that. The Redskins should have cut you! You don't care, your game sucks ... You're the worst cornerback I have ever seen, and I've seen some bums ... You top them all. Take my advice ... sign the tender. Sign the tender, or be out of football, because no team will pick you up. Have you seen tape of you from last season? You stopped no receivers, everybody embarrassed you. No, no that's right don't sign the tender ... The redskins don't need you! Keep it moving!!

Posted by: StevenDay | April 15, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

We have to keep AH. We've spent too much money on the clown not to see him play more than 12 games. Further, a couple of 2nd or 3rd round picks doesn't translate to the money we've spent either. We cut Griffin and have no solid, proven, ready to start interior linemen and I do not believe there is anyone in this draft that is at the same level as AH.
What we need to do is coach AH and make him believe he can excel in the 3-4 or make him so miserable he is willing to give back some money to leave Washington. Also, I am not sure we will be in the 3-4 the majority of plays. Other than Orakpo and maybe Fletcher (slow), what other LB is a prime candidate to play the 3-4? We don't have the DEs to play it either. Carter doesn't fit and he is our best DE. Philip Daniels isn't going to play every defensive snap so.....
I think Shanny and Haslette will see what they got in all the OTAs and in camp will decide what and how to do it.

Posted by: neil64 | April 15, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

here it is...the best trade possible for skins:

ALBERT HAYNESWORTH FOR:
SHAWN MERRIMAN AND A NO.4 PICK

this can be done...let's do it skins!!!

Posted by: ronniecope106 | April 16, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

"But Rogers and McIntosh apparently haven't received offers from other teams."

If Rogers didn't have those two stones he calls hands he probably would be beating other teams off with a stick. But, he has shown an in ability to intercept so teams are passing on him.

I'm a little surprised that McIntosh hasn't gotten another offer but other teams may be figuring that in a year without a cap, the Redskins could easily match an offer and don't want to get into a bidding war over a player that really hasn't shown that he's worth getting in a bidding war over.

Posted by: ahashburn | April 16, 2010 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Rogers would make a terrible Free Safety... Just like Smoot did. You know who was great? Sean Taylor.

You want a guy with range, either through speed or quickness, or leaping ability.

You want a guy who hits. Hard. You want receivers and TEs to worry about where he is. You'll also need him to be able to come up and stop a running back in his tracks all day, if need be.

And lastly, the double move thing - No Way. Free Safety has to be smart. Has to know if it's run or pass, and if he guesses run, it better not be pass or it's a possible TD. You'd get a few mulligans a year on that, but not much more.

Lynch was a great safety for years down in Tampa. Sanders for Indianapolis is great. Taylor was amazing. And still amazing is Polamalu. He's the total package.

Now look at Rogers. Fuhgedabowdit.

And, OK, Landry moved from one Safety spot to another... Did he leave his tackling skills on the other set of numbers? I don't care if he's switched to linebacker - tackling is still the same.

He's actually been whiffing, WHIFFING on guys. And he used to be pretty good at it, just needed to wrap up more consistently, but now, he's a disaster.

Bouncing off receivers when he makes contact, etc.

I really think that Brandon Lloyd trucking he took screwed up his psyche. I can hardly blame him, either. He should have gone lower. (knees)

Talk about not wanting to see an accident - I HATE that clip, but I've seen it about 300 times. Man, that clip hurts every time.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 17, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Rogers would make a terrible Free Safety... Just like Smoot did. You know who was great? Sean Taylor.

You want a guy with range, either through speed or quickness, or leaping ability.

You want a guy who hits. Hard. You want receivers and TEs to worry about where he is. You'll also need him to be able to come up and stop a running back in his tracks all day, if need be.

And lastly, the double move thing - No Way. Free Safety has to be smart. Has to know if it's run or pass, and if he guesses run, it better not be pass or it's a possible TD. You'd get a few mulligans a year on that, but not much more.

Lynch was a great safety for years down in Tampa. Sanders for Indianapolis is great. Taylor was amazing. And still amazing is Polamalu. He's the total package.

Now look at Rogers. Fuhgedabowdit.

And, OK, Landry moved from one Safety spot to another... Did he leave his tackling skills on the other set of numbers? I don't care if he's switched to linebacker - tackling is still the same.

He's actually been whiffing, WHIFFING on guys. And he used to be pretty good at it, just needed to wrap up more consistently, but now, he's a disaster.

Bouncing off receivers when he makes contact, etc.

I really think that Brandon Jacobs (ha ha - I almost said Brandon Lloyd!) TRUCKING he took screwed up his psyche. I can hardly blame him, either. He should have gone lower. (knees)

Talk about not wanting to see an accident - I HATE that clip, but I've seen it about 300 times. Man, that clip hurts every time.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 17, 2010 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd actually trucked him, too, but it didn't get caught on film, luckily for Landry because I hear it was really embarrassing for him.

Just so you know, Hunter the Punter also trucked him one time. Actually, no. That one was on Landry. He whiffed after a Hunter the Punter patented head fake.

Landry kinda seems to stink, come to think of it.
But, hey, at least he looks good in a uniform, right? I mean, his guns are BLAZING! Probably gets quite a workout pounding the turf as the ball carrier speeds down the sideline.

And he's got to be near the league lead for post-tackle poses. He's the Michael Irvin of the defensive secondary. Give up a 12 yard pass for a 1st down, barely hang on to the receiver's leg until help arrives, and get up flexing and shaking his head "no," while he looks for the nearest camera.

Sick of it.
He's not good.
He's gone downhill consistently every year. He was better as a rookie. Yeah, different safety position. whatever. I don't buy it.

The guy got trucked by Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 17, 2010 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Rocky's going nowhere. He'll understand that if he can be allowed to make the plays he's always been capable of, he can turn the one year contract into a multiple next season (3-4 more likely). However, prior to this season, he's been up and down, but more likely due to injuries. The physical ability to stay out of the doctor's office is key for him. He's been thrown dice and its his roll to choose to stay away for good or start fresh.

Carlos Rogers, please explain the CONSISTENT non-picks in your hands. Maybe its time to take the KY off the gloves maybe? There's all kinds of other work out in the real world. Not sure what occupation lets you drop things, except thieves, caught by police.

Posted by: ByRon12 | April 17, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

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