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One week in, Shanahan and Redskins clearly have more work to do

Hearing from Mike Shanahan for the first time since free agency opened last Friday, it's clear that the Redskins aren't panicking and are perfectly comfortable with their slow approach to roster building. But what's also clear, just by looking at the roster, is that there's much
work that still needs to be done.

If you just look at the 10 guys who were released on the eve of free agency, you're talking about a total of 29 starts in 2009. Six of the players were starters for at least two games (Cornelius Griffin led the way with 14 starts). Regardless of their respective skill level, each still had a role and each still much be replaced in some capacity. Thus far -- and, granted, it has been only a week -- that hasn't been done.

While the draft is the smartest way to build for the future, with only two picks in the first three rounds, you probably can't count on more than one -- maybe two -- Week 1 starters coming from the college ranks. That means the Redskins will likely be a lot more active as free agency moves forward.

Those 29 starts from last season have been replaced by 11 starts in the Redskins' three free agency signings thus far -- three for Artis Hicks and eight for Sean Ryan. As the team studies the players who are still on the market and looking for work, they need to make additions at nearly every position, simply to account for the pieces they parted
with: one more running back, another quarterback, a defensive lineman, a linebacker, at least one more offensive lineman, another receiver and probably either a cornerback or a safety -- possibly both. They need someone to return kickoffs and punts. Plus, they could afford an upgrade at kicker, and long-snapper Ethan Albright and punter Hunter
Smith are both unrestricted free agents and could be taken by any team.

"You don't come in the first three or four days of free agency and say, 'Hey, we're done,' " Shanahan said Thursday night. And that's exactly true. Technically, the team has until training camp opens. Realistically, there are so many holes still that the team has no choice but to mine the free agency market much further. And don't be surprised to hear trade whispers in the weeks leading up to the draft as well.

Redskins coaches have analyzed every snap each of the roster's players has made in a burgundy and gold uniform. They have a good handle on what's returning, but they're also eager to see these players in person. They'll certainly be judged during the offseason conditioning program that begins Monday and in the team's first minicamp next month. If Shanahan and his staff don't see commitment, more vacancies could open up.

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By Rick Maese  |  March 12, 2010; 2:51 PM ET
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Comments

Lesbian = Rosie O'Donnell wearing tighty whitey's

Posted by: lockerroomCANCER | March 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Understatement of the week.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Sean Ryan started 8 games for KC? Wow. I'm guessing he starts zero for us.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh Red... .Red Red...

My reference to PFT wasn't about anything Florio or any of the other hacks on that site wrote... but something he FOUND written/ spoken by a prominant SPORTSWRITER IN Pitts. It was posted on PFT... good site or not... the rant about what a cra^py person Big Ben is... is there easy for anyone to find.... once again, you do not have the ability to comprehend what people are saying... you really out do yourself each and every time.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Lesbian = Rosie O'Donnell wearing tighty whitey's

Posted by: lockerroomCANCER | March 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


You and Red remind me of Haiti with you lack of useful material.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"If you just look at the 10 guys who were released on the eve of free agency, you're talking about a total of 29 starts in 2009."


So we've cut 10 guys who averaged 3 starts each?

Dead weight, largely replaceable.

Posted by: smutsboy | March 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Whew!
New thread, thank goodness, that old one was getting kind of stinky.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 12, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't know exactly how many starters will be rookies, but this team could set a Redskins record with rookies on the team. The free agent market doesn't have much going for it, although I suspect there will be another half dozen signings before all is done. The draft is deep and there will be some players spilling over into free agency. The Redskins now have a roster full of experienced coaches that can teach and develop young players. The time is right to mine for diamonds in the rough.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if Carriker was good before he got hurt?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 12, 2010 12:29 PM

That would be his rookie year ... and on the Rams ... where "good" would be tough to determine, esp. b/c they lined him up at NT. So I think the answer is no, no one knows.

Carriker's claim to fame is beating a 58 year old defensive line coach in one-on-one drills at the Combine (or Senior Bowl practice?). May not sound like much, but he's one of the few to have done so. [That coach made them top-rated DT, Alan Branch, whimper like a baby, dropping his draft stock through the floor ... University of Michigan grads ... hah!).

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"If you just look at the 10 guys who were released on the eve of free agency, you're talking about a total of 29 starts in 2009. Six of the players were starters for at least two games (Cornelius Griffin led the way with 14 starts). Regardless of their respective skill level, each still had a role and each still much be replaced in some capacity. Thus far -- and, granted, it has been only a week -- that hasn't been done."

It's called a depth chart. This was clearly a concept lost on the old regime and is now being perpetuated by Mease.

I wish there was a few other names added to the list, but as Mease typed..."it has been only a week."

It's possible we could get 32 starts combined out of our 1st and 2nd round picks this year. This isn’t the old regime were we redshirt our picks and continue to play underperforming and overpaid veterans.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Thing about carriker is that he would fit the 3-4, more convientually (sp?) than Carter would. If we are going to have a hybrid, then carter stll has great value. He did have what like 11.5 sacks last year, but asking him to move to OLB in a 3-4 scheme just isn't what hes best at and would be a waste of his talents. IT is tough to say how good carriker would be for us, but at least, in theory he fits the scheme better....

Its a tough decision, as Carriker might not pan out to be anything, and carter is a solid DE in a 4-3 scheme. This trade most likely wont happen, but if it was a straight up trade, I dont think it would be the worst in the world.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"they could afford an upgrade at kicker"

WTF?

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 12, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think it will be fun to watch some new blood in the burgundy and gold. May be a sweet surprise

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't know exactly how many starters will be rookies, but this team could set a Redskins record with rookies on the team. The free agent market doesn't have much going for it, although I suspect there will be another half dozen signings before all is done. The draft is deep and there will be some players spilling over into free agency. The Redskins now have a roster full of experienced coaches that can teach and develop young players. The time is right to mine for diamonds in the rough.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly what we need to do. We have some decent starters but we need to backfill this roster with as many young guys as we can get. Let's find those diamonds in the rough and hold onto our draft picks. We need proper depth. We'll worry about the superstars when the time comes.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Still not sure where this logic comes from but looking at the team and given the Vinny/Zorn debacle? We have to look at the players left behind with "different eyes" perhaps?

Griffin replaced by Anthony Montgomery (younger and HAS started a number of games for the Skins). Montgomery has talent. Wynn and Daniels? Golston? and now they have a bonafide NT. Your logic escapes me Mista Mayor? It looks like they have plenty and to spare on the defensive line.

Randle El: Replaced by Cooley. He started a number of games I think. With Davis and Sean Ryan I guess one could say that Cooley is the new slot receiver. You had to know that was coming Mista Mayor?

Randy Thomas? He probably should retire don't you think? Hopefully the combination of Hicks, Rhinehart, Williams and Williams will replace him or someone soon to be drafted? C'mon Mista Mayor this is really reaching don't you think? Draft picks here its deep with talented tackles.

Smoot, Betts, and Collins represent the only holes I can see. Let's face it the Pearl Harbor Crew needs help. Draft pick and Barnes? Have to be better than last year?

Betts, that his 2nd trip to season ending IR. Cartwright you have to question ... no real replacement. But if they sign someone who can do both jobs? Like a Sproles? Or draft someone? They have had 2 running backs visit.

Collins is pushing 38. We saw that coming. Yep, a glaring hole that needs to be addressed.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You and Red remind me of Haiti with you lack of useful material.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa


Laughed. So. Hard. You remind me another fool ass bama that can't keep my name out his mouth.

skindeeznutzintampa,

Go join your butt-buddies Prick Cancer & stupidass1 in their circle jerk.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Lots of anger for Friday

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Its less about the number of starts, more about how many plays guys were on the field. Griff, Rock and ARE were out there a lot -- probably around 1,500 plays. Smoot was out there a good bit, as well.

Thomas and Betts would have played a lot, but they both got injured.

Collins played rarely, but a backup QB is pretty important, especially with a bad OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

Its tough to say we should be playing all young guys. WEre going to struggle either way, and playing young guys allow them to learn and adjust to the speed and talent of the NFL, but much like MLB pitchers, players can lose confidence and become shells of themselves if forced to do too much before they are ready. Hence, why I think we should sign a VET LT... to play on the off chance of our draft pick struggling or just plain not being ready. It is one thing for a guy to play if he proves he can make plays, its another to force a young guy in when hes clearly over matched... thats how you can destroy a prospect... Just saying, I'm all for playing the best player, age aside, but its dangerous to take a risk on all young guys for fear that some might be overwhelmed and might not recover...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

again, why depth is a rebuilding teams best friend... (something red doesn't seem to get).

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"If we are going to have a hybrid, then carter stll has great value. He did have what like 11.5 sacks last year..."

You don't pay someone who does spot duty up to 4.5 million dollars.

"The Andre Carter" problem is one of their least difficult problems to address within the last few years.

You trade him.

He has value due to his contract, talent, and character. Better to trade him now and get a guy that fits your system rather than trying to figure out how to use him in spot duty.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The good thing for Shanny is the O-line is so weak, almost anyone will be an upgrade.

Vinny spent his whole time here focusing on skill players (with mixed results), so now it's time to build those trenches.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I haven't reviewed all of the tape like the coaching staff has, but still tend to think that Carter is one of the keepers... Works hard at his craft, continues to improve despite his age, plays through injuries, and most important, plays his position well and produces results. Also relatively low cost and a good return on investment. Wears the burgundy and gold with pride and appears to handle himself well on and off the field. Team could use a few more like him. And if you don't have room in your scheme for a player like that, you might want to double-check your scheming.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Good thing the Redskins aren't playing this weekend.

No need to rush into any bad decisions.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 12, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

How much of last years debacle was lack of talent vs. lack of preparation because of an inept coaching staff.

Its hard to say how good the guys we have are, because they have not truly been tested.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 12, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | March 12, 2010 3:47 PM

What happen to you? I read your posts just so that I can see how you are going to blame JC and CP at the end of it. You've let me down the last couple of posts, please step up your game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

You and Red remind me of Haiti with you lack of useful material.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa


Laughed. So. Hard. You remind me another fool ass bama that can't keep my name out his mouth.

skindeeznutzintampa,

Go join your butt-buddies Prick Cancer & stupidass1 in their circle jerk.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

dont even try to make a comeback "skindeeznutzintampa" u just got roasted so bad, RedDMV good stuff had me on the floor laughin

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Just for fun. A team runs about 2500 plays a year (1,000 offense, 1,000 defense, 500 teams), including special teams. 11 players on each play, that's about 27,000 'player snaps' per year. Don't have any hard numbers, but we're down the following people from 2009 who were in on over 100 snaps:

Samuels, ARE, Smoot, Rock, Betts, Griff

Collins and Thomas played, but I doubt either was over 100 snaps.

Guessing again, Samuels played 300 snaps, ARE 700, Smoot 400, Rock 700, Betts 200, Griff 600. Add all the others we cut bait with and call it another 200.

About 3,100 player snaps out of 27,000 -- about 12%.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe they haven't gotten everything done in a week. Pitiful!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Good thing the Redskins aren't playing this weekend.

No need to rush into any bad decisions.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard


They're already 1-5 with two division losses if you'd let some tell it.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Red, that was an intelligent post... no way.

Now, I have to disagree with you tho. You make a valid point, however a guy like carter is exactly the type of redskin we need to keep. If we can find the right trade, then by all means, trade him. I tend to follow the path that 90% of your team is on the block, for the right offer. There are very very few untradable players in the league and on our roster... I'm not seeing many at all....

Carter works hard and will enable us to have respect when/if we use the 4-3 this year. 4.5 mil, in an uncapped year, really isn't any skin of Danny Boy's back and his durability, professionalism, and hard work will be extremely useful in a locker room that is going to be fairly young next year. While, we might lose some of his value when his numbers are inevitably down, we will gain value back in what he teaches the younger guys about how to play the game right, and how to be a professional off the field as well...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

ok so i don't know nearly as much as some of you and i'm not being ignorant, but what are ur thoughts on trading the 4th pick for big ben they could get possibly a new face to the franchise and we would get a great proven qb, i kno we need o-line and big ben is in a lot of trouble, but what's your thoughts on this... it's just an idea in my head that i want to see u guys give ur opinion

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Whew!
New thread, thank goodness, that old one was getting kind of stinky.

Posted by: _Stumped_
___________

The new ones only have the illusion of non-stinkiness...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe they haven't gotten everything done in a week. Pitiful!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, where's Vinny Cerrato's "football mind" and Dan Snyder's wallet when you need them? This whole Shanahan/Allen duo is a joke.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

what's ur guys thoughts on trading the 4th pick for big ben i kno we need o-line but the steelers aren't at all happy with big ben and this might be the time to take advantage of it.... just an idea not saying it's a good one... give me ur thoughts on this

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

About 3,100 player snaps out of 27,000 -- about 12%.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 3:56 PM

Bottom-line....Replacing players, snaps, or starts on a 4-12 team is a good thing.

With the 5-8 FAs we sign, the 5 draft picks, and the undrafted guys we will have replaced the dead weight with a more well rounded and talented roster…No doubt.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Have to say that it certainly makes an inordinate amount of sense to think in terms of trades ... but for draft picks.

You've got a veteran in Levi Jones and hopefully Big Mike Williams at the tackle position along with Heyer. PLENTY OF VETERAN savvy. YOU NEED YOUNG DRAFT PICK TACKLES. ALONG with YOUNG draft pick DBs. And then YOUNG DRAFT pick running backs.

Quarterback is more interesting. I wouldn't waste a pick on Bradford or Clausen unless they drop. If you think they will it may make sense to trade down in order to get as much talent as possible. Since its mostly at offensive tackle ... fait accompli!

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Not sure on Roethlisberger...he obviously knows what he is doing, but don't think its worth the headache that would undoubtedly come with him.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What happen to you? I read your posts just so that I can see how you are going to blame JC and CP at the end of it. You've let me down the last couple of posts, please step up your game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

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Diesel44 -- Thanks for the comment and pleased to see I have another loyal reader. Must admit the day is getting late and I'm may be taking a few shortcuts, but reposting from an earlier thread...

Truth is, this team will never win so long as these losers (JC17 and CP26) are with the Redskins -- but we can also understand why so many people are reticent to change.

For instance and based on performance to date, we gotta figure that winning don't matter much to Little Danny either -- who really only worries about putting butts in (premium) seats and taking his share of the revenue from concessions, parking, souvenirs, television licensing fees, etc.

The long and short of it -- and for as long as he owns the team, the Little Czar in elevator shoes is going to pay for 53 players and a dozen coaches or so to put on a show. And win, lose or draw -- it don't make much difference, just so long as the golden goose keeps laying her little eggs.

So Little Danny can put up with a few ass clowns like CP26 and JC17, especially since he has already paid for them.

Besides, getting rid of them would only require another (possibly higher) expenditure, and what's the return on investment in any of that?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"The Andre Carter" problem is one of their least difficult problems to address within the last few years.

You trade him.

He has value due to his contract, talent, and character. Better to trade him now and get a guy that fits your system rather than trying to figure out how to use him in spot duty.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2010 3:47 PM |

That's exactly the point.

Carter has the highest trade value RIGHT NOW that he will ever see again in the NFL.

A pass rushing DE with no significant history of injuries who is a high character guy and posted 11.5 sacks last year ought to earn us a nice pick - especially when the reason he's available is a scheme change, not a value issue. A 2nd or 3rd rounder would do just fine.

Posted by: edvar | March 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

You've got a veteran in Levi Jones and hopefully Big Mike Williams at the tackle position along with Heyer. PLENTY OF VETERAN savvy.

posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 4:06 PM |

veteran savvy? more like ball savvy

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Realistically speaking, the team is only 8-10 players away from a 50-man roster (53 minus 3 spots reserved for ST: K, P, LS).

On offense, these players will realistically have a good shot at making the team: JC17, Brennan, Portis, one of Ganther/Aldridge, Sellers, Cooley, Davis, Ryan, Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Hicks, Heyer, Dockery, BMW, Rabach, one of EdWilliams/WMontgomery

That's 18 players, easily.

Areas of need (in terms of depth chart):
#2 QB
#2 RB
#5 WR
#1 OT, #2/3 OT
#2 G

On defense these players will realistically make the team: Haynesworth, Kemoeatu, Daniels, Golston, Montgomery, Jarmon, Alexander, Orakpo, Carter, Wilson, Fletcher, McIntosh, Blades, Hall, Rogers, Tryon, Barnes, Landry, Horton, Doughty, Moore

That's 21 players, easy. It leaves 4 spots open, with these names as toss-ups: Henson, Holmes, Dutch, Westbrook

Areas of need:

DL, ILB, DB -- essentially versatility at each functional position

Most of the guys that were cut had begun to be phased out anyway. Tryon had bumped Smoot to the 4th CB spot by year's end, Kelly had shared the 3rd WR spot with ARE by year's end, RThomas hasn't had an impact for a couple years, and Samuels was gone by week 6 last season. The exception is Griffin (but he was replaced by Kemoeatu -- Golston has starting experience also).

Based on last year's team, the loss of those veterans really didn't impact the makeup of the roster. Shanahan is essentially playing with what Zorn was playing with (minus Griffin and ARE, plus Kemo and Artis Hicks), plus the addition of our current draft selections.

And my money is on Shanahan getting much more out of that group than Zorn did.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan is looking at this team in 2012 and figuring out who he wants from the current roster. A few guys he's stuck with because of contracts, but about 35-40 guys are potentially replaceable. My guess is that he's going to replace about 25 guys that were on the 2009 roster by opening day 2012.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who advocates trading ANY one of our draft picks should be sent to the gulag. 1st Amendment Rights should be suspended until our O-Line is rebuilt.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben is looking at jail time or a suspension. If he weasels out of that, tehre are multiple reports fo him being a massive tool in general.

BA and Shanny will NEVER go for him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Those 29 starts from last season have been replaced by 11 starts in the Redskins' three free agency signings thus far -- three for Artis Hicks and eight for Sean Ryan.

By Rick Maese | March 12, 2010; 2:51 PM ET

Boy, this is a brilliant way to judge our progress in free agency! Let's see, Chris Samuels started five games last year, Randy Thomas started two. So Sean Ryan is an upgrade over the two of them.

God, this team of Maese and Reid just keeps getting worse at their jobs. Not only don't they have any "inside" information, they can't even figure out how to think about their lame outside information.

Cork could do a better job than these two. Hey, Cork, you know where to send your resume.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

ok so i don't know nearly as much as some of you and i'm not being ignorant, but what are ur thoughts on trading the 4th pick for big ben they could get possibly a new face to the franchise and we would get a great proven qb, i kno we need o-line and big ben is in a lot of trouble, but what's your thoughts on this... it's just an idea in my head that i want to see u guys give ur opinion

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 4:01 PM

Well, my initial thought is that we need oline first. Big ben gets beat up behind a pretty bad pass blocking oline. Next thought is what if he gets convicted for this crap. Then we have to deal with a suspension of x number of games and maybe even worse a jail sentence. So my response would be no thanks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

ok so i don't know nearly as much as some of you and i'm not being ignorant, but what are ur thoughts on trading the 4th pick for big ben they could get possibly a new face to the franchise and we would get a great proven qb, i kno we need o-line and big ben is in a lot of trouble, but what's your thoughts on this... it's just an idea in my head that i want to see u guys give ur opinion

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 4:01 PM

Well, my initial thought is that we need oline first. Big ben gets beat up behind a pretty bad pass blocking oline. Next thought is what if he gets convicted for this crap. Then we have to deal with a suspension of x number of games and maybe even worse a jail sentence. So my response would be no thanks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 12, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey dcqween er sween.. how much was that pizza so you can take the money and get off my front porch

Posted by: FunStreet | March 12, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Reported by Larry Campbell at fredericksburg.com:

"I had a great conversation with Carlos," Shanahan said. "Obviously, I'm not going to share my conversations with anybody. I think I can say it was very positive. I'm a big fan of Carlos, and he will be here for the offseason program."

Rogers confirmed the meeting via text message last night.

"He told me his plans for me," Rogers said. "I got a lot of stuff off my chest, and things worked out fine. So I'll be here working out and learning the new defense."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 12, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

You've got a veteran in Levi Jones and hopefully Big Mike Williams at the tackle position along with Heyer. PLENTY OF VETERAN savvy.

posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 4:06 PM |

veteran savvy? more like ball savvy

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 12, 2010 4:11 PM
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Levi Jones is a free agent the team did not elect to keep.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"So what makes since about having no depth in d-line - let alone missing at least one starter, 5 OLBs that have minimal experience playing the position in this system and only one sure fire starter inside?"

Bangkok Ben,

Its not going to be a 3-4 defense. Its going to be a hybrid 4-3/3-4 like the Cardinals have. But not the exactly the same apparently. Assume Jarmon moves to linebacker as well.

Lorenzo Alexander is moving inside to work with Fletcher, Blades and McIntosh.

LB/Ends: Carter, Orapko, Wilson, Jarmon, and Rob Jackson.

Your tackles/ends are Daniels, Wynn, Haynesworth.
Your tackles/NT are Montgomery, Golston and Kino.


Looks like plenty to me. I guess they just have to determine if they are any good.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones is a free agent the team did not elect to keep.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2010 4:22 PM

Word is that Skins offered him a one-year deal, but he wants a longer contract so it may happen.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Word is that Skins offered him a one-year deal, but he wants a longer contract so it may happen.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

We have no left tackle. Even if we draft Okung we should still sign a left tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 12, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Okung won't be there @ #4. There are atleast 7 Qaulity LTs in the draft and one of them will be available with their 1st pick in the 2nd round.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

We have no left tackle. Even if we draft Okung we should still sign a left tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 12, 2010 4:28 PM

Yeah? I don't think you read Maese's post. Last year our left tackle, Chris Samuels, started five games. We've signed Sean Ryan. He started eight games. So, he can take Chris Samuels' place.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsfan... agreed. Didn't we learn last year what happens when you have no depth on the oline? Its not pretty.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Its not going to be a 3-4 defense. Its going to be a hybrid 4-3/3-4 like the Cardinals have. But not the exactly the same apparently

Periculum,

Has haslett come out and said as much or are you inferring that this will be a hybrid scheme?

Posted by: FunStreet | March 12, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora
Redskins CB Rogers will attend offseason workouts
Posted: March 11th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Carlos Rogers, Mike Shanahan, Washington Redskins

Disgruntled Redskins CB Carlos Rogers has told the team that he will report for the start of offseason work Monday, according to a team source.

Rogers, the ninth overall draft pick by Washington in 2005, has sought a trade for weeks, and he bristled when a first-round tender was placed on him, hoping to garner an offer sheet.

However, Rogers flew to Washington this week from his Atlanta home to discuss the situation with Redskins coach Mike Shanahan, and the meeting went well, according to sources. If Rogers performs well — he was benched at times in 2009 — he will be considered for a new contract.

Rogers left Redskins Park telling coaches and teammates that he feels better about the situation.

Rogers had voiced his displeasure with the organization and publicly asked for a trade on several occasions this offseason.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

So far we sign a guy still rehabing from major surgery, a 31 year old broke down LT and sign a tight end that we did not need (we could have kept yodder). What in the heack are they doing we needed a FS there was Rolle right there for the signing but instead he went to our rivals another series sweep by the Giants. And watch come draft day instead of making the logical choice and draft Okung nope we are going to draft the loser out of ND. So far in my book Allen & Shanny is "GETTING A BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME". Last, the signing of LJ is logical so that means they are going to sign a no name RB coming off an ACL repair whom have the history of fumbling.....

Posted by: c_note_70 | March 12, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Organization had voiced his displeasure with Rogers and publicly asked for him to start to play better on several occasions this offseason.

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

All we NEED are nine spots filled. We may want others but we need to cover these nine.

QB2,RB2,RB3, WR3, LT1, RT1, C2, LB2, FS1

Thats 3 starters, five guys who need to be ready to get in every game for at least some part of the time and a backup QB.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So far we sign a guy still rehabing from major surgery, a 31 year old broke down LT and sign a tight end that we did not need (we could have kept yodder). What in the heack are they doing we needed a FS there was Rolle right there for the signing but instead he went to our rivals another series sweep by the Giants. And watch come draft day instead of making the logical choice and draft Okung nope we are going to draft the loser out of ND. So far in my book Allen & Shanny is "GETTING A BIG THUMBS DOWN FROM ME". Last, the signing of LJ is logical so that means they are going to sign a no name RB coming off an ACL repair whom have the history of fumbling.....


Posted by: c_note_70

Good to know we shouldn't listen to anything else you have to say. First, Hicks, that 31 year old broken down LT, is actually a Guard, and has been a backup most of his career... so I doubt hes all that broken down.

2nd, Brining in Ryan doesn't mean we dont bring back Yoder, but it at least produces competition there, always a good thing.

3rd. Rolle... Rolle wanted/got top safety in the league money, money that Ed Reed deserved and Troy Polamolu (sp?).... Rolle, on the other hand did not deserve that. He is a middle of the pack safety who, while would be a better FS than landry is simply not worth what he wanted....


Also, we have no idea who the skins are going to take with the 4th pick. Personal workouts still have to go, all the top Qbs have to throw still, and who knows what will happen between now and April whenever the draft is... calm down c_note, this isn't Vinny running the show, Shanny and Brucy might surprise you.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 12, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Given the NFL's track record, Ben R could be suspended before this thing even gets resolved legally; another compelling reason to not take the bait...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

USA Olympian and Sharks C Joe Pavelski had one of the top plays yesterday -- the go ahead goal in Sharks 8-5 win over Nashville. Its worth a look.

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/12/video-joe-pavelskis-goal-patrice-bergeron-turns-pronger-into/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ok so i don't know nearly as much as some of you and i'm not being ignorant, but what are ur thoughts on trading the 4th pick for big ben they could get possibly a new face to the franchise and we would get a great proven qb, i kno we need o-line and big ben is in a lot of trouble, but what's your thoughts on this... it's just an idea in my head that i want to see u guys give ur opinion

Posted by: lerche1 | March 12, 2010 4:01 PM
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There are alot of regulars here who know a whole lot less about football and everything else than they think they do....anyway, #1, the Steelers aren't near ready to trade him, and I don't think the Redskins should do it even if it were a possibility until we see whether he's going to get indicted for sexual assault or aggravated sexual assault. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot poll until the criminal matter is cleared up. #2, I think it would take more than just a high 1st rounder to get a two time SB winning QB at the top of his game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 12, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

JohnD-

Please stop. We aren't trading for Big Ben. The legal age of consent is 15 in PA, why would be come to VA/DC/MD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Loomis will show Sharper "love," not money

Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2010 3:40 PM ET

Loomis is an idiot. If only he would have learned from Big Ben that the talent likes to be paid in money, not "love".

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Do what you must but just stay true to the board and don't reach. If Bradford and Okung gone, and no trade offers to go down. Maybe have to start considering Berry? Man the draft couldn't come any sooner. Didn't realize how much trouble Big ben is in boy he's deep in it.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 12, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Please stop. We aren't trading for Big Ben. The legal age of consent is 15 in PA, why would be come to VA/DC/MD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I lived in PA in college, was told it was a 14 and 4 state

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Z - If it ain't better than any of Ovie's top 3 goal scores....Faa-get-about-it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Z - If it ain't better than any of Ovie's top 3 goal scores....Faa-get-about-it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Its a great shot 4th, just appreciate the 360 spin around the defender and the shot perfectly through the 5 hole.

But if you want to compare, what medal is Ovie wearing there days?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Day Seven of free agency ... the most notable news of the day ... one player under contract and on the roster is "not unhappy" ... another player on the roster and tendered a restricted free agent contract is less unhappy.

I'm so glad I kept up today.

Any word on the whereabouts of Ryan Lilja?

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

JohnD-

Please stop. We aren't trading for Big Ben. The legal age of consent is 15 in PA, why would be come to VA/DC/MD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Damn - didn't have my handy United States Guide to Consent Ages on my desk

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

... The legal age of consent is 15 in PA ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 4:51 PM

Pennsylvania is Philly and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between ... the state vegetable is pump-kin.

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I lived in PA in college, was told it was a 14 and 4 state


Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2010 4:54 PM

You're probably right..

I attended a football camp at State College and one of the PSU skanks, asked how old I was---I replied 15.

I just assumed that was the cut off.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania is Philly and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between ... the state vegetable is pump-kin.

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:03 PM

I apologize if I insulted anyone and recognize the error of my words ... Pennsylvania is a Commonwealth rather than a State.

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

But if you want to compare, what medal is Ovie wearing there days?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

How about MVP medal?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Jasno LaC giving credit where credit is due:

"The Redskins deserve acute acknowledgement. After years of setting the market wildly, bidding against themselves for some players and being burned all too often, they have taken a much more healthy approach this time around. Instead of finding the players' price, and then matching or exceeding it with haste, they are determining true value within the organization, establishing a Redskins price for the players and letting those older players who do not fit leave the building without a contract.

Certainly, there will come a day where owner Daniel Snyder and coach Mike Shanahan make a splash, but as a 4-12 team with so many holes in a deep division, trying to buy your way out of it isn't a smart way to go -- especially with a shallow free-agent market. And for some teams that opted to throw money at their problems -- the Bears in particular -- I seriously question whether it will make a significant enough impact in the standings to prevent major changes to the coaching staff and front office come 2011."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816e0f65&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

On a comment on the Carriker-to-Skins blog of Jasno's, someone is reporting that the Giants signed Barrett Ruud (ex-Tampa Bay LB) ... damb.

Posted by: dcsween | March 12, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

He's happy, he's not unhappy...

Andre Carter struggling with changes in Redskins' defense

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 12, 2010 5:11 PM ET

The Washington Redskins' switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense will include Andre Carter switching from defensive end to outside linebacker. Carter is not thrilled about that.

Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan reports that Carter is mentally struggling with every aspect of the switch in positions, and that in a text message he declined to say whether he wanted to be traded.

"As for the trade, no comment," Carter texted Russell.

Carter added, "Right now, I'm still under contract with the Redskins and plan to attend minicamp."

In 2009 Carter started all 16 games for the Redskins and had 11 sacks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 12, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: Keyskonnection | March 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, either Andre Carter is happy as a clam or mad as a hornet, depending on whether you shop at the fish market or the country fruit stand. This from the peaches at PFT:

Andre Carter struggling with changes in Redskins' defense

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 12, 2010 5:11 PM ET

The Washington Redskins' switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense will include Andre Carter switching from defensive end to outside linebacker. Carter is not thrilled about that.

Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan reports that Carter is mentally struggling with every aspect of the switch in positions, and that in a text message he declined to say whether he wanted to be traded.

"As for the trade, no comment," Carter texted Russell.

Carter added, "Right now, I'm still under contract with the Redskins and plan to attend minicamp."

In 2009 Carter started all 16 games for the Redskins and had 11 sacks.

Posted by: League-Source | March 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

POSSIBLE BREAKING NEWS: I'm just passing this along per my father who is a PSU alum - has a couple strong connections inside PSU football and he's heard the Skins locked up Larry Johnson to a three year deal. Again just passing this on. Would love to see LJ in a Skins uniform. Let's hope for a solid runner and no drama.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | March 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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