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Phillip Buchanon signs one-year deal with Redskins

Updated at 3:31 p.m.

The Redskins have signed cornerback Phillip Buchanon, an eight-year veteran who will give the team much-needed experience in the secondary this season.

"I'm a Redskin!!!" Buchanon tweeted this afternoon.

"We are very excited to add a veteran corner, such as Phillip, to our defensive backfield," Coach Mike Shanahan said in a statement released by the team. "He has had a lot of success in this league and brings with him the ability to create turnovers. He will be a big part of what we are trying to accomplish defensively in Washington."

Buchanon played last season with Detroit and though he's expected to be slotted behind DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers on the depth chart, his arrival could mean the team doesn't have to rely on young corners Kevin Barnes and Justin Tryon if an injury arises. He could also find himself on the field in nickel packages.

Buchanon was set to earn $3.5 million from the Lions before Detroit released him earlier this month. ESPN.com reported the Redskins signed him to a one-year deal worth $1.5 million, plus another $750,000 in incentive money.

The Redskins will be Buchanon's fifth team in seven seasons. He's still looking to match the level of success he enjoyed when he first entered the league. A former first-round pick out of the University of Miami, Buchanon had 11 interceptions in his first three seasons with Oakland but has had only seven in the five seasons since then.

By Rick Maese  |  March 29, 2010; 1:55 PM ET
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Comments

Whatevs.

Maps.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 29, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

That looks like a nice pick up.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 29, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a 9 year vet with declining skills.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

A nice signing for depth. I guess.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 29, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

O_E
It makes sense, Shannahannahann is more familiar with PBR than FSFR.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep adding ex Raiders and Bucs. Those two programs have had nice runs the past 5 years.

At least the Bucs won their division a few times (and then got bounced immediately out of the playoffs)...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Nate, pour vous

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy!

Posted by: dlr4skins | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

FS or 3rd CB?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

good signing. This dude's 10 times better than Carlos Rogers. Now, let's build the best offensive line in football thru the draft!!

Posted by: lszovati | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

That's interesting considering I thought that Allen and Shanahan were watching Sam Bradford today. Who did they leave behind to sign him?

Posted by: settlejc | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What is it Shanahan keeps saying? Competition at every position? I like the taste of that kool-aid!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

NAte - Just posted on my FB page. I'm hyped after seeing that video. Wify's body is a 95% match.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Boooooo cannon!

Posted by: Vic1 | March 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I like it

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It's a one-year contract for a guy Allen is familiar with. I don't see how anybody could object to it.

Besides, anything that increases the odds of Carlos Rogers sitting on the bench is a very good thing.

Posted by: Tank2 | March 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

That got signed pretty quick, I think the negotiations went like this.


Bruce Allen- Phil we kind of like you and are thinking about having you here.

Philip Buchanon- I'll take it

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 29, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

That's interesting considering I thought that Allen and Shanahan were watching Sam Bradford today. Who did they leave behind to sign him?

Posted by: settlejc | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Ninja?

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a 9 year vet with declining skills.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

haha, but how about this?

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a [cheaper] 9 year vet with declining skills.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a 9 year vet with declining skills.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The good part is for a hell of a lot less money and Buchanon is much more versatile (can be used in the return game).

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

replaced smooty, good job

we'll pay you 1.5 mil, plus 750k if you make any interceptions

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Besides, anything that increases the odds of Carlos Rogers sitting on the bench is a very good thing.

Posted by: Tank2

yeah right, you htink this guy beats out c rodg? what league have you been watching??

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 29, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Not only impossible, but here's proof -- especially at the 1:30 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPkDsOlGzU

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 29, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It's not impossible if your right hand is backwards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Not hard to believe. Roethlisberger's passes also tend to go the wrong way.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

That's interesting considering I thought that Allen and Shanahan were watching Sam Bradford today. Who did they leave behind to sign him?

Posted by: settlejc | March 29, 2010 2:07 PM
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Donovan

also, NFL legal has mobile applications for staff and player's agents with secure software allowing for binding digital signatures..
FA agents want to move quick when a team is interested.. This was a little too quick...gives one pause.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm good with this. Veteran DB with something to prove on the cheap.

Gotta admit, I loved the Cerrato-Clausen thing. First thought as soon as I saw the headline was "kiss of death". Seems about 5 people posted that exact phrase within minutes of the post.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Besides, anything that increases the odds of Carlos Rogers sitting on the bench is a very good thing.

Posted by: Tank2

yeah right, you htink this guy beats out c rodg? what league have you been watching??

That's all he has to do is catch an INT...and people will be calling for him to start!!

Posted by: chicoexcell | March 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hands of stone, meet butt of PINE!

btw - that Erycah vid brought me over to some Devin the Dude!! Thanks!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Same dude on espn says Phillip Buchanon had trouble finding an interested team because his right knee is hinged backwards, like that of a horse.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

the smoot era has ended, was a servicable nickle back. phillip B is basically the same guy for cheaper. He didn't start for detroit last year did he.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

This dude has never been on an elite team, the closest was Oakland in 2002. His skills may not be in decline as much as he will succeed when it seems realistic that inspired effort will make a difference. Regardless, better than Smoot for at least cost to danny (uncapped season)

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Philip Buchanon walked into Redskins park and said, "I can handle the double move". Allen said, "You're signed and you'll be starting opposite D. Hall." Carlos Rogers, on the floor in the training room after the treadmill pulled a double move on him, said, "Ain't nothin' you can do 'bout that."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Is that dude on ESPN Sean "wanna see my cell phone" Salisbury?

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 29, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

haha, but how about this?

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a [cheaper] 9 year vet with declining skills.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse


The good part is for a hell of a lot less money and Buchanon is much more versatile (can be used in the return game).

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

True. I didn't mention the money but you never let facts get in the way of a good one-liner.

Like this one:

The last time Buchanon returned a punt for a TD, his namesake was President.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I like this signing because of the veteran presence, which this team needs in the secondary.

Joining the blog late today, so here's my .02 on Bradford. From what I've been reading regarding his pro day, Bradford is the best prospect out there. The question is how much is a franchise worth to this organization. Is it worth 2 1st round picks? That's what I'd suspect the Rams would want at a min. We shall see what, if Clausen can produce similar expectation then it may not matter, but my hunch is that Clausen will not be as impressive.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

We've had some success with 'Canes in the secondary, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

if the ball spins counter clockwise, will Carlos Rogers still drop it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

We've had some success with 'Canes in the secondary, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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Who besides ST?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Good work J Reid.

Posted by: MadeRED | March 29, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Good sign. Skins tried to get him a couple years back.

I was also impressed last year with Kevin Barnes. Hopefully he has made strides toward becoming a nickel or starter.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Same dude on espn says Phillip Buchanon had trouble finding an interested team because his right knee is hinged backwards, like that of a horse.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Could potentially be a kickass player.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If the "uncapped year" was last year... How much do you think Vinny & company would of overpaid Haynesworth to play here?

I like how the Redskins are finding players that can help us at very affordable prices & letting the market determine their value...

I think Shanny has a lot of confidence in his ability as a leader & understands that 75% of NFL wins are done with coaching, schemes, & game plans... unless of course your team has Peyton Manning...

Posted by: tony325 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

You need a 'besides'?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Apparently you guys don't think they have Cell Service or Fax Machines in Oklahoma.

Posted by: Veretax | March 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

if the ball spins counter clockwise, will Carlos Rogers still drop it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 2:33 PM
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Yes. And he will complain about how unfair it is that he doesn't get paid extra for defending against counter-rotating footballs...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

That got signed pretty quick, I think the negotiations went like this.


Bruce Allen- Phil we kind of like you and are thinking about having you here.

Philip Buchanon- I'll take it

Posby: GreatOne1 | March 29, 2010 2:12 PM |ted

Yes, and what a difference from the tried and true Cerrato/Snyder negotiating tactical play book.

Agent: OK, Dan. What my client is looking for is something like 5 million upfront, and then,

Snyder: Here's 10! Sign here!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 29, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

We've had some success with 'Canes in the secondary, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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Who besides ST?
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I'm sure Rocky Mc has been in the secondary many times--making tackles, chasing after a WR who's just beaten CR and/or LL on a double move, etc.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

You need a 'besides'?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse
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Not going to sign over the secondary to the U just cuz ST went there.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

RI Gurus, please help me with this... If Shanny really wanted to get rid of JC, why not just tender him for a lesser amount so that others would be more willing to sign him? He could have d@mn well given him away or cut him if he did not want him here. Please give me your thoughts. I am a JC apologists.. there I said it!!!

Posted by: SPUD2 | March 29, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Apparently you guys don't think they have Cell Service or Fax Machines in Oklahoma.
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Have you ever been there?

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If the "uncapped year" was last year... How much do you think Vinny & company would of overpaid Haynesworth to play here?

I like how the Redskins are finding players that can help us at very affordable prices & letting the market determine their value...

I think Shanny has a lot of confidence in his ability as a leader & understands that 75% of NFL wins are done with coaching, schemes, & game plans... unless of course your team has Peyton Manning...

Posted by: tony325 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM
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Me, too. I think the philosophy has gone from signing a few players who Vinny was banking on to make their positions exponentially better to signing a lot of players that will make many positions incrementally better. Obviously, Shanahan and Allen's approach is the more cost conscious and it spreads the risk...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

lmao@closer.

Not that he's on our team, but Reed aint' too shabby.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

PANTIES.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 29, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

if the ball spins counter clockwise, will Carlos Rogers still drop it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 2:33 PM
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Yes. And he will complain about how unfair it is that he doesn't get paid extra for defending against counter-rotating footballs...

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Can't wait for the comment "The ball had double spin on it, nothun you can do about that"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers. The latest incarnation of Barry "Will be Burned" Wilburn. Please replace this guy.

Posted by: InTheMiddle | March 29, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Hands of stone, meet butt of PINE!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:24 PM |
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Same dude on espn says Phillip Buchanon had trouble finding an interested team because his right knee is hinged backwards, like that of a horse.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Could potentially be a kickass player.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM

RI regs on point today. Absolutely frickin' hysterical!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, maybe it's the spin of the ball that's been the issue all along for Carlos! Maybe he'll finally be able to catch a ball that spins the opposite of the normal spin.

My head's spinning at the prospect...

But wait, I may have missed this, but has it been pointed out that a left-handed QB's spin would by definition be the opposite of a right-handed QB's? We need stats on Carlos' INTs broken down by lefties versus righties... it shouldn't be that hard to identify since he's caught so few. Though we'd then need to compare those numbers with quality INT opportunities so we could see if his INT % were higher... good grief, I have actual work to do, I can't spend time on this.

But again, and thanks, LH, for the love of god PANTIES!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 29, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, he can return punts.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Could potentially be a kickass player.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM

I'm hoping they give him a shot at field goals, like that mule Zorn was rumored to want to sign.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Good! Experienced CB under-30 who could help in the return game.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 29, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I like what this team is doing, keeping guys on 1 year deals in what ends up being a tryout of sort for the season with a new HC. With no clue on a cap next season, play it conservative.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Why did Zoron need a mule? He was alread a JackSJK.

Sorry. That just undid my only funny comment this year! Oh well. Back to normal.

[thx Scamp,btw].

Oh, Nate - I forget what that means.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Spud, I think they want better value than you could get by unloading him now. Wait for a team to be really desparate (ill-timed injury somewhere?).

I believe they'd rather play or bench Soup if they don't get anything less than where they price him... (second rounder +)?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers. The latest incarnation of Barry "Will be Burned" Wilburn. Please replace this guy.

Posted by: InTheMiddle | March 29, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


Wilburn once led the league with 9 picks. Also has the team record for longest int return for a TD, 100 yds.

He did get burned a lot, but at least he caught the ball when it came to him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Could potentially be a kickass player.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 29, 2010 2:39 PM

I'm hoping they give him a shot at field goals, like that mule Zorn was rumored to want to sign.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we will make him the center and have him snap the ball with his foot like thy did back in the early days.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

If it's about open competition can we have someone with emphyzema for depth on the defensive line. See who can hit the oxygen mask more them or Haynseworth.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

First Grossman now Buchanon... I am totally underwhelmed.


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Posted by: oldnova | March 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers. The latest incarnation of Barry "Will be Burned" Wilburn. Please replace this guy.

Posted by: InTheMiddle | March 29, 2010 2:50 PM

Although Wilburn made some big int's when he was here. Well atleast he caught an int here and there, not like stone hands.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Starting to get this bad feeling that Bradford is going to become a star we miss out on and end up with some crummy QB at 4 or 37. If we can't get Bradford I hope we bypass QB completely. Get the QB next year if Campbell blows again.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

First Grossman now Buchanon... I am totally underwhelmed.


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Posted by: oldnova | March 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

As you should be. This is how teams rebuild. I hate to break it to the casual fans but this team is really bad. We need to keep doing exactly what we are doing for a couple more years before we try to make a run. These 1 year deal guys can be gone at a moments notice if we draft a stud prospect. They could also become a long term answer if their 1 year deal works out.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmm:

Dhall
Rogers
Buchanon
Tryon
Barnes
Westbrook

wonder if this might mean CR22 will get his wish and be traded.....Allen probably loved having his first moves in his first offseason criticized by a top 10 pick bust. I hope they move him and let somebody else deal with having to try and negotiate a reasonable contract with the delusional idiot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sweet, nice pick up!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, there might be more hatred for CR than for CP...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 29, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"We need stats on Carlos' INTs ..."
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Sample size is too small to be relevant.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Please draft OL with most of our picks in the draft, especially the first one!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | March 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 3:19 PM

That's unfortunate because I think he's the best DB in the bunch.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Starting to get this bad feeling that Bradford is going to become a star we miss out on and end up with some crummy QB at 4 or 37. If we can't get Bradford I hope we bypass QB completely. Get the QB next year if Campbell blows again.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse
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Would you prefer he be the star we wish upon only to have him pulverized into a pulp while we assemble, you know, a team?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

lh, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........good one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

First Grossman now Buchanon... I am totally underwhelmed.


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Posted by: oldnova | March 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

As you should be. This is how teams rebuild. I hate to break it to the casual fans but this team is really bad. We need to keep doing exactly what we are doing for a couple more years before we try to make a run. These 1 year deal guys can be gone at a moments notice if we draft a stud prospect. They could also become a long term answer if their 1 year deal works out.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 29, 2010 3:16 PM

Bingo!

A little patience goes a long way (except around here, but that's the fun part...)

Posted by: edvar | March 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Happy days are here again, the skies above are clear again,
So, let's sing a song of cheer again, Happy days are here again.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, the CB problem is solved. Scratch one more area of need until it re-appears.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I remember the "swinging gate" play...

carry on allen and shanahan

Posted by: rickyroge | March 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Uh... I'm with LH. I also think Carlos is the "best" CB on the roster right now. I thought that going into last year, too.

Says more about the state of the roster than it does about Carlos. It's a damned shame about his hands and all that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What a resounding endorsement of the CB abilities for the back-ups, TRYON, BARNES, WESTBROOK et. al. - NOT!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, the CB problem is solved. Scratch one more area of need until it re-appears.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:30 PM

So since you're scoring at home that makes 2 units complete (TE, CB) with OL, WR, DE/NT, OLB/ILB, FS, KR/PR, QB? in need of upgrades.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Patience? PATIENCE!!!! to the tune of Nerds? NERDS!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Buchanon will be 4th on the chart. There's a reason why he's been on 5 teams in 7 years. If ya'll think CR gets burned, wait until you see this dude. He's been washed up for about 3 years now.

Posted by: dcwun | March 29, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

All together now - OT this draft, QB next draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Would you prefer he be the star we wish upon only to have him pulverized into a pulp while we assemble, you know, a team?

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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Nah, we don't let him even attend the games the first year or two, til we have an Oline. JC or someone else will take the beatings during the rebuild.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow, there might be more hatred for CR than for CP...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 29, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Not really.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Uh... I'm with LH. I also think Carlos is the "best" CB on the roster right now. I thought that going into last year, too.

Says more about the state of the roster than it does about Carlos. It's a damned shame about his hands and all that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX
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He has hands? I thought those were flippers attached to his shoulders.

But really I sort of agree. I thought CR was ok, except for those damn drops, which have frustrated me to no end. It's ridiculous some of the balls that have thumped off his chest. But then last year, it seemed like he was getting burned more often (and at really bad times). Though sometimes it was hard to tell, because I really couldn't tell what they were trying to do on D, especially with the DBs. There seemed to be some crazy schemes going on there.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the lower financial commitment, another difference between Buchanon and Smoot is that I'm pretty sure, at least once in his career, Buchanon actually hit someone.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 29, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

That guy sucks! He played for the Texans a few years ago, I think that idiot Casserly gave up a 2nd round pick to get him.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 29, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Great, an aging corner with bad technique who depended on his (declining) skills.

Can he play tackle?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 29, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

So since you're scoring at home that makes 2 units complete (TE, CB) with OL, WR, DE/NT, OLB/ILB, FS, KR/PR, QB? in need of upgrades.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I wasn't sayin' the CB position didn't need an upgrade, just the opposite in fact. Yee-Haw, good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 don't forget FG kicker. Hopefully one of the guys currently on the team pans out.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Uh... I'm with LH. I also think Carlos is the "best" CB on the roster right now. I thought that going into last year, too.

Says more about the state of the roster than it does about Carlos. It's a damned shame about his hands and all that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I agree. He can't catch but I still blame Blache for most of the deficiencies on D due to his scheme.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

That guy sucks! He played for the Texans a few years ago, I think that idiot Casserly gave up a 2nd round pick to get him.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 29, 2010 3:40 PM

A 2nd and a 3rd..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

All together now - OT this draft, QB next draft.

Posted by: glawrence007
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To me it's a 2-3 year rebuild no matter what, so take the best QB and Oliners when/as the opportunities arise. Maybe this year that's Okung at 4, maybe it's Bradford. As long as a few or several of our top picks during this period are Oline, I'll be happy.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 29, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 don't forget FG kicker. Hopefully one of the guys currently on the team pans out.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 3:41 PM

We're only kicking extra points this year. Shanny will not play for FGs, he will only reluctantly settle for em

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, there might be more hatred for CR than for CP...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 29, 2010 3:24 PM

No....CR22 just doesn't have many defenders outside of LH/Nate/PSP....

...In fact I would go out on a limb that there aren't anymore supportters outside of them...(generally speaking)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Guy on espn says Bradford's spirals rotate counter clockwise. Very unusual for a right handed qb.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 1:22 PM
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That's only in the northern hemisphere. When he throws south of the equator, they rotate clockwise.

Posted by: RedSkinHead


Those of us old enough to remember, recall Bill Kilmer's passes rotated end-over-end. Helluva QB, tho.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy!

Posted by: dlr4skins |

One of Buddy Holly's best.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is a solid starting corner as is, and still has the potential to be great.

He's also mentally weak, and that was exacerbated by the previous coaching staff undermining him.

Having said that, the problems with this secondary had much more to do with the safeties than the corners. You can be an elite defense with Rogers starting on one side of the field.

Hopefully Haslett brings it out of them.

Posted by: psps23 | March 29, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Those of us old enough to remember, recall Bill Kilmer's passes rotated end-over-end. Helluva QB, tho.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Old furnace face" himself.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Those of us old enough to remember, recall Bill Kilmer's passes rotated end-over-end. Helluva QB, tho.

Posted by: TheCork
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And they quacked when they hit the goal post.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now we wait for Clausen's workout. With luck, he looks very good. Soooo good, someone below the skins has the ultimate Mancrush.

Then Shanahan talks him up like he's John Elway, Jr. But he knows if Cerrato loves him, he's deeply flawed.

Teams below the 'skins panic, and somebody pulls a Ditka.

The 'skins get their entire draft, and the 2-3 year rebuild is cut roughly in half.

Make it so, gods of Football.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Uh... I'm with LH. I also think Carlos is the "best" CB on the roster right now. I thought that going into last year, too.

Says more about the state of the roster than it does about Carlos. It's a damned shame about his hands and all that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX
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He has hands? I thought those were flippers attached to his shoulders.

But really I sort of agree. I thought CR was ok, except for those damn drops, which have frustrated me to no end. It's ridiculous some of the balls that have thumped off his chest. But then last year, it seemed like he was getting burned more often (and at really bad times). Though sometimes it was hard to tell, because I really couldn't tell what they were trying to do on D, especially with the DBs. There seemed to be some crazy schemes going on there.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ya'll are insane. 6 picks in 6 seasons while getting burned for a TD pretty much once a game last year. Come off it, the guy is decent in coverage as any starting CB should be but he's far from a "shutdown corner" and then when you factor in that he gets routinely beat by the same move over and over again for TDs while averaging 1 INT per season meaning he rarely ever makes a positive play (a turnover) to offset his negative plays (being burnt for a TD) he's got to be one of the worst corners in the league. At best he's average but more accurately stated he's a #2 at best on almost any team in the league and considering he was a top 10 pick he and Landry are gigantic busts and the walking evidence of why you should rarely take a corner or safety high in the draft.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

CR22 is a a decent starting CB. The guy was on pace to his first Pro Bowl in 2008 if you recall... What he lacks in catching the ball, he to some degree makes up for in his tackling and toughness (ie: taking on RB's coming around the corner)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | March 29, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now we wait for Clausen's workout. With luck, he looks very good. Soooo good, someone below the skins has the ultimate Mancrush.

Then Shanahan talks him up like he's John Elway, Jr. But he knows if Cerrato loves him, he's deeply flawed.

Teams below the 'skins panic, and somebody pulls a Ditka.

The 'skins get their entire draft, and the 2-3 year rebuild is cut roughly in half.

Make it so, gods of Football.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

We should have Tebow pray for this

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

FS or 3rd CB?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

4th, was wondering the same thing. Not sure if he's smallish or what. It would be nice to see if we can lean on Tryon a little more with Barnes getting nickle/dime stuff here and there. Tryon was making some plays towards the end of last year.

Posted by: RomoShortball | March 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

NOBDY ASKED ME, BUT --

Don't know why fixing the line and getting a serviceable quarterback is considered to be an "either/or" proposition. Is it really so difficult to do both?

Why exactly are the Redskins paying all of that high-priced front office talent if they can’t find a way to fix more than one position at a time?

Admittedly, I am no football front office executive, or even a multimillion dollar coaching legend, but even so... am given to understand that successful franchise usually build a team that can:

COMPETE IN YOUR OWN DIVISION

Hence, if you're coaching the Washington Redskins, you look for the right mix of players who can help you beat Dallas, New York and Philly. Eureka, that’s it!

Presumably, if you can beat your conference foes more than they beat you, then you’re a contender.

And further, if you can win the games you’re supposed to win against the league patsies (for example, Detroit, St Louis, Kansas City), then you’re in the running for a division championship – and post season playoffs, where presumably anything can happen.

Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but am still hard pressed to see why anyone should make it any more difficult than that.

Or are we content with the idea of conceding the 2010 season to the other division rivals?

PS -- Throughout his time here, JC17 has an abominable record against division foes. Admittedly, it’s not all his fault, but he has been a consistent and enduring factor, nonetheless.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now we wait for Clausen's workout. With luck, he looks very good. Soooo good, someone below the skins has the ultimate Mancrush.

Then Shanahan talks him up like he's John Elway, Jr. But he knows if Cerrato loves him, he's deeply flawed.

Teams below the 'skins panic, and somebody pulls a Ditka.

The 'skins get their entire draft, and the 2-3 year rebuild is cut roughly in half.

Make it so, gods of Football.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

We should have Tebow pray for this

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:02 PM
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Clausen will look good at his pro day. Some teams will get a little excited about his prospects. I am just hoping like heck that the Redskins aren't one of those teams. As for having Tebow drop a knee, let's just keep him out of the Redskins' QB conversation, shall we?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

#22 is a gifted athlete but lacks any sort of mental toughness. We can (or should) all agree that he played his best football in weeks 1-8 of the '08 season then promptly went in the tank and stayed there for the next 24 games.

What was different about those 8 games? Carlos was the unquestionable #1 corner on the team. Springs was injured and rarely played and no other corner on the roster was able to play at a high level consistently.

Around midseason, the skins picked up D Hall and Springs came back healthy. Carlos felt a threat to his awesomeness and when in to b!tch mode. His sulking affected his play.

In summary, F Carlos.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, insane? I don't think anyone said he was a "shut-down corner." The endorsements were pretty luke-warm, really. Not to rekindle the perpetual JC debate, but the situation's sort of like Campbell. It's not that Rogers is so great, it's just that right now he looks better than our other options. And I'll even add a maybe to that. I'm not a big CR booster by any stretch.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 29, 2010 3:54 PM

If psps says it, then it gots to be true.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Buchanon
Height: 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) Weight: 186 lb (84 kg)

Laron Landry
Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)

Brian Dawkins
Height: 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) Weight: 210 lb (95 kg)

Ed Reed
Height: 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) Weight: 200 lb (91 kg)

Knowing nothing about Buchanon other than his height/weight, looks like he'd have to put on a pound or two.

Posted by: RomoShortball | March 29, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope that Barnes continues to up his game so that we don't have to have this idiotic discussion about CR next year.

Posted by: edvar | March 29, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoShortball | March 29, 2010 4:20 PM

From the impossible but true category....Buchannan is actually a worse tackler than Hall.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | March 29, 2010 4:12 PM

I agree with 97% of this....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

From the impossible but true category....Buchannan is actually a worse tackler than Hall.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaallllllllllllrighty then. Crap, someone has to step up at FS.

Posted by: RomoShortball | March 29, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There are not of 'long term solutions' in free agency, but I'm struck by how short term the guys that Shanny has grabbed are.

29 yr old CB
30 yr old RB
34 yr old P
31 yr old NT
31 yr old OL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

CR22 = Defensive version Ryan LEaf??

(Neither could handle the outside pressure but had the skills to succed)

Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Or are we content with the idea of conceding the 2010 season to the other division rivals?
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Shucks, no! Clausen will lead us to glory this season. Because nothing spells success in the NFL like a rookie QB. (Someone please reply with a Sanchez post.)

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

CR22 = Defensive version Ryan LEaf??

(Neither could handle the outside pressure but had the skills to succed)

Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:28 PM

A little too harsh.

CR22 = JC17

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the RedDMV/SCamp verbal joust I had been anticipating all weekend?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

There are not of 'long term solutions' in free agency, but I'm struck by how short term the guys that Shanny has grabbed are.

29 yr old CB
30 yr old RB
34 yr old P
31 yr old NT
31 yr old OL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 4:28 PM |

Well considering there is no UFA under the age of 28 and there was only a couple of those I think he did fine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, insane? I don't think anyone said he was a "shut-down corner." The endorsements were pretty luke-warm, really. Not to rekindle the perpetual JC debate, but the situation's sort of like Campbell. It's not that Rogers is so great, it's just that right now he looks better than our other options. And I'll even add a maybe to that. I'm not a big CR booster by any stretch.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Amazingly enough Tryon looked pretty good, Dhall, is better than Rogers except for tackling, Barnes looked decent at the end of the year but the truth is this season and going forward Rogers is more expendable then ever.

Our old system was based on a lot of man coverage with very little blitzing and our front 7's biggest responsibility being to stop the run, contain the big play, and for the most part be a bend but don't break defense. And despite being a 6th year veteran lined up 10 to 15 yards off the ball CR22 continually got burned deep.

The new system whether it be a 3-4 or a 4-3 or a hybrid will be all about pressure. IMO what goes along with that is having a secondary that can ball hawk and capitalize on rushed poor decisions by opposing QBs and make INTs. IMO if Haslett and Shanny are all about getting after the QB and forcing turnovers, like they say they are, they will get rid of the human drive extender known as Carlos Rogers. If we are placing a premium not on our overall ranking which hasn't told the truth about a Washington defense for 5 years now and on actually being a menacing defense that gets after QBs and takes the ball away from the other team you can't have a guy who can't catch playing a prominent role. When you're risking some big plays against you by being aggresssive and taking take chances so you can make big plays of your own you can't afford to miss the opportunities you create by dropping the ball.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Leaf could catch.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"CR22 = Defensive version Ryan LEaf??

(Neither could handle the outside pressure but had the skills to succed)

Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I'm going to go with Cedric Benson. A guy that was labeled a bust way too early, but given the right situation ends up shining. And like Rogers, Benson had real trouble handling the criticism he faced in Chicago.

Posted by: psps23 | March 29, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Why exactly are the Redskins paying all of that high-priced front office talent if they can’t find a way to fix more than one position at a time?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse
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Exactly. We should be able to instantly fix the team overnight, without any planning or building whatsoever. And while we are at it, maybe Goodell can just forget the season and ship the Lombardi trophy directly to us because we are paying all this money to our front office.

I mean, the nerve of the other 32 teams to limit our selection in the available talent pool! For shame!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

For the people who are upset at the age of the free agents Shanahan has acquired and the short term deals they are on, stop for a moment and consider how old and how shallow this year's FA class truy was.

Want Joey Porter at 33 on a 3 year deal with bonus?

Want Chad Clifton at 33 on a $20M deal for 3-4 years?

Maybe the team could have signed Jake Delhomme at age 36 for 2 years?

The players worth having are all restricted and are going to require draft pick compensation.

I like Jared Gaither. I also like Brandon Marshall.

But the Redskins would have to trade away their top picks to get these players.

And then sign them to mega-deals to keep them after 2010.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

look for carlos, barnes, and buchanan to get some looks at free safety in training camp...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Amazingly enough Tryon looked pretty good

who are you, and what have you dont with jack????

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd take the Benson comparrison, as long as he completes the same transformation that Benson did......

Which means it might be a good chance we trade him now, if BA and ShanMan determines he wouldn't resign with them next year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans like Heidi Klum are unable to wear panties because, uh, some people out in our nation don't have maps, uh, and I believe that our, uh, cornerbacks like such as the Double Move, and the Buchanon, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our 4th pick over here in the U.S. Ashburn should help the U.S. Redskins, uh, or, uh, should help the offensive line and the offensive line, so we will be able to build up our future, for our hamsters.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | March 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

*31 teams

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'll stick up for Carlos. He's a good, physical cover corner. (Double move beats a lot of guys.) He just can't catch. (If this was the movies some coach/optometrist would discover he's near sighted or far sighted or wall-eyed or something and give him pair of specs and he'd go double digits with the picks. But alas...)

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, fair enough. I'm fine with flip-flopping on this one. I'll now say CR is our worst corner. Honestly, from what I've seen, talent-wise I don't think there's a big gap between the best and worst on roster. And CR's drops have pissed me off for years. I think he used to be decent in coverage, but not so much last year. But again, i don't know how much of that's on Blache. It looked like our scheme for the CBs was something like: play 10 yards off, back pedal at the snap and break hard on the receiver's first move.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Which means it might be a good chance we trade him now, if BA and ShanMan determines he wouldn't resign with them next year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse
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Why would another team trade for a one year contract? It would have to be for a late rounder, and in that case, why would the Redskins have tendered him to the 1st round level? If all they were going to do was cash him in for a 3rd or 4th rounder, why not get it over with?

The only way this works is if the Redskins offer him a multi-year deal and then THAT gets traded.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Greg I didn't dont nothing with Jack.

Tryon still can't cover a slant route and he can't be expected to lock up 1-on-1 with a starting receiver taller than 5'5" but he can catch. Which is more than Rogers can say and we need people to play the Asante Samuel in New England Cover 2 read the QB and capitalize on errors forced by pressure role more than we need man coverage corners. IMO for this system Rogers is the worst corner on our roster.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

RE: CR's coverage skills...

Anyone remember those games where the CBs were lining up like 15 yards off the LOS and the Safeties were back 30? On 3rd-n-10s? Yeah, I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this until we get a DC who isn't set to retire after the season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone remember those games where the CBs were lining up like 15 yards off the LOS and the Safeties were back 30? On 3rd-n-10s? Yeah, I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this until we get a DC who isn't set to retire after the season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes and I went hoarse from cursing my television.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Good thing they released all the crappy old veteran depth ... so they could replace them with new crappy old veteran depth.

Buchanon is here to replace Smoot, who like it or not, was the only "veteran" on the field and in the lockerroom to replace Springs.

MAN I hope that the tendered free agents sign their damb tenders. I'm not impressed by the weak moves in free agency (to replace the weak guys we released into free agency).

Other than Mason and Ganther, who else (from those released) found new work so far? And are any of them willing to come back?

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I choose to forget last year happened all together. I don't think I'll pass judgement on any of our players when it comes to 2009 performance.

It was a bad dream.......just a really long bad dream

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

look for carlos, barnes, and buchanan to get some looks at free safety in training camp...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 29, 2010 4:39 PM

Then look for someone else to get signed midway through camp to actually play the position ... or for Laron Landry to keep it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why would another team trade for a one year contract? It would have to be for a late rounder, and in that case, why would the Redskins have tendered him to the 1st round level? If all they were going to do was cash him in for a 3rd or 4th rounder, why not get it over with?

The only way this works is if the Redskins offer him a multi-year deal and then THAT gets traded.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 4:47 PM

You trade with the other team pending they do a long term deal with CR22.....That's how...

....for a 2nd to high 3rd rounder......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Jack, if your kids still read this blog they are going to think you are high. Other than catch, what does DHall do better than Rogers at the CB position?

Say what you want about Los, he's never had a night or day like this.

I direct your attention to :19, 1:14, 2:16, and the skewering commentary at 4:04.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

They got rid of very high priced veterans and signed cheap veterans to replace them.

The tendered FA's have no choice they either sign there tenders or they don't play. It's not like they become FA's or anything.

People act like this was a great FA class, it was the worse FA class ever.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Good thing they released all the crappy old veteran depth ... so they could replace them with new crappy old veteran depth.

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Its not a good thing......its a GREAT thing. They cut old crappy veterans that were drastically overpaid and had dramatically underperformed all while maintaining a sense of entitlement and not ever taking any responsibility for their failings. All had long term contracts and have replaced them with new crappy veterans with short term deals and low financial commitments and even lower expectations to serve as a bridge while they get to a year where they actually have draft picks and can truly rebuild the roster.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You trade with the other team pending they do a long term deal with CR22.....That's how...

....for a 2nd to high 3rd rounder......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse
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Another team can't negotiate with Mr. Rogers until they have his rights. The Redskins would have to ink the deal, and then trade him, like I said.

So, how is spending our time negotiating a contract extension which we are going to trade more effective than simply tendering the guy at the 2nd round level?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep adding ex Raiders and Bucs. Those two programs have had nice runs the past 5 years.

At least the Bucs won their division a few times (and then got bounced immediately out of the playoffs)...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

He did play for the Raiders who went to the Superbowl...Just sayin

Posted by: leevi98 | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

zj,

Thanks for saying what i was trying to say all though you said it much better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Other than Mason and Ganther, who else (from those released) found new work so far? And are any of them willing to come back?

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 4:55 PM

ARE is back with the Steelers.

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"I'd take the Benson comparrison, as long as he completes the same transformation that Benson did......"

I agree, I should say I believe he will mirror a Cedric Benson type of career path, rather than proclaiming him that way yet.

We still have one more year of him though. Hopefully he matures to what his talents show he should be.

Posted by: psps23 | March 29, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

All had long term contracts and have replaced them with new crappy veterans with short term deals and low financial commitments and even lower expectations to serve as a bridge while they get to a year where they actually have draft picks and can truly rebuild the roster.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 29, 2010 5:01 PM

I didn't deny that the Skins old crappy veteran depth wasn't overpaid.

Did we ever find out about the terms are of Larry Johnson's THREE year deal?

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Other than Mason and Ganther, who else (from those released) found new work so far? And are any of them willing to come back?

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 4:55 PM


Why would we want any of them back?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

So if a thousand footballs fall in the woulds and only redskin db's are around to catch them. Will we ever force a turnover?

Posted by: DG28 | March 29, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

We should have Tebow pray for this

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

STFU!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Reading this blog is so entertaining! People do not understand competition and depth any longer!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 29, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It's really hard to play the CB position. More often than not you have to be super athletic along with technically sound and even then you're average. If you have that you'll have a chance. I remember champ early in his career being toasted by amani toomer all the time. champ bailey was an athletic freak of nature. hopefully buchanan has something left and all that experience will benifit us.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 29, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, is Levi Jones signed yet? Or was he one of last year's bridge-to-rebuilding guys?

I get it that Shanahallen get a new guy honeymoon, but I've been up here long enough to watch peeps (and an owner) sour after a bad year. What is the duration of Shanahan's contract anyway?

I still think that The Owner's portfolio took it as hard or harder on the chin than any of the big money over the past couple few years ... and the well needs a year or two to refill. He trusted some money to Bernie Madoff too, right?

Most. Boring. Offseason. Ever.

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about Los, he's never had a night or day like this.

I direct your attention to :19, 1:14, 2:16, and the skewering commentary at 4:04.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 4:59 PM

Yeah....But I'll always remember one misty Saturday Afternoon in JAnuary in 2006 up all the way in Seattle. We had knocked out the NFL's MVP for the game and were leading early.

And our CB dropped a sure fire Pick6......

...And his name wasn't DHall....

...Can you say CR22 has really grown since then?

I hope everyone is applying this 'New Staff' Theory to CP as well.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

People do not understand competition and depth any longer!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 29, 2010 5:10 PM

People totally get it. Scroll up to 4:20 to see the competition at free safety btwn Buchanon, Landry, Dawkins, and Ed Reed.

If a guy competes for and earns a roster spot, everything is better. See Stephon Heyer replacing Jon Jansen.

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

...Can you say CR22 has really grown since then?

I hope everyone is applying this 'New Staff' Theory to CP as well.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM

I have this vague recollection of a similar post-season trauma in Tampa Bay involving slightly charred coverage of Edell Sheppard in the end zone.

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

meant woods

Posted by: DG28 | March 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, is Levi Jones signed yet?

He trusted some money to Bernie Madoff too, right?

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:12 PM

Skins offered him a one-year contract but he wants two years.

This is the first I've heard of this and it's hard to imagine him putting money for someone else to manage. He's as active in managing his own money as he was in managing the Redskins' roster.

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Another CR22 transformational moment. Skins had started 6-2 in zorn's first year. Pittsburghers had invaded the lower bowl and were driving late in the first half after Lebeau's boys had manhandled the Skin's offense.

Roethlisberger put one a foot off the ground right in CR22's hands with 80 yards of unfettered field wide open before him.

Drop.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor, I try to keep up ... remind me, is Portis one of your boys or not? I get it that you are not down with Carlos Rogers (or Michael Wilbon or Jamie Whitlock or Jim Zorn).

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If DeSean Jackson makes that catch in '08, I doubt there would be so much DHall love up here.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm CP neutral...but feel I have to speak on matters because people seem to have short memories up here.....

@LH - Our CBs situation is far from stable. I hope the 2 starters evolve.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Good. We've replaced Fred Smoot, a 9 year vet with declining skills with Phillip Buchanon, a 9 year vet with declining skills.

-----------------------------------------

Yes but this 9 year vet doesn't make a habit of jumping up for a play and coming down empty then laying on the ground pretending that he is dead.

Posted by: robjway1 | March 29, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

We should have Tebow pray for this

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

STFU!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse
ahahahahah

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This just in.... GM Allen keeps tossing the Redskins' offer to Carlos Rogers and he keeps dropping it. I sense Carlos will be on Dancing With Stars rather than playing in the NFL this season. If he could cover he'd at least be able to work in a library protecting books.

Posted by: laserwizard | March 29, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm CP neutral ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:29 PM

Yeah, I know you also are a believer in Heyer. Or at least that you see him as a role model for your own physique (what he looked like when he first came in, not what he looks like now).

Posted by: dcsween | March 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Karnac: Catch 22

Ed: If you threw 1,000 football to Carlos Rogers, how many would he catch?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

wonder if this might mean CR22 will get his wish and be traded.....Allen probably loved having his first moves in his first offseason criticized by a top 10 pick bust. I hope they move him and let somebody else deal with having to try and negotiate a reasonable contract with the delusional idiot.

Posted by: zjfr2

Shanahan has already said he really likes Carlos.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If DeSean Jackson makes that catch in '08,

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 29, 2010 5:24 PM

Or if there was any football acumen outside of a select few, I doubt there would be so much DHall love up here.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"or for Laron Landry to keep it."

Umm, no.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 29, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has already said he really likes Carlos.


Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"I really like (insert name of player still on the roster). We are going to have competition, and with hard work and effort (insert name of player) can be a great meember of our team."

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The rumor out this way is McNabb for Nnamdi Asomghua. As brilliant as he is, Nnamdi has a crazy contract. The Raiders signed him for $28million for 2 years -- this is year 2 coming up -- then they have an option to keep him for $17million. No way he's a Raider after 2010 and the Raiders aren't going to win in 2010, so why not save some $$ and upgrade the QB?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has already said he really likes Carlos.


Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 5:44 PM

This is the NFL. King of DISinformation....

Remember McNabb wasn't going to be traded a week ago?????

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-03-29/donovan-mcnabb-has-bakers-dozen-possible-destinations

We're #7 on the list.....


Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:45 PM

I'd be all for that. I don't see any way Reid trades him within the division though.

Posted by: skinswest | March 29, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Karnac: Catch 22

Ed: If you threw 1,000 football to Carlos Rogers, how many would he catch?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 5:42 PM

zeke, I can't remember who posted it, but one of the funniest things I've ever seen up here was something to the effect of "If the Carlos Rogers biography was written by Joseph Heller, the title would be 'Drop-22'"

Posted by: 4-12 | March 29, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

rogers has been a good solid consistent performer for us, he's fairly young, we drafted him, and he didn't start complaining until he was on the ZornrratoSkins, so stop hating haters

I'd take a corner who is a great tackler over one with great hands any day of the week

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 29, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-03-29/donovan-mcnabb-has-bakers-dozen-possible-destinations

We're #7 on the list.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 5:45 PM

That's amazing research by Florio. He took 13 teams with a question mark at QB and wrote an article about how they could be a potential trade partner for McNabb. I like PFT but that article is a joke and you have just as good a chance as being in a Redskins jersey as McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

coaches watch every player on every play, an average fan just remembers one or two plays, good ones for a win, bad ones for a loss.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I say McNabb comes out and act$ like an a$$ and forces the Iggles to terminate his contract.

I bet he'd come here then....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"I really like (insert name of player still on the roster). We are going to have competition, and with hard work and effort (insert name of player) can be a great meember of our team."

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:59 PM

Is that what he said about Betts, Cartwright and ARE? If so, I didn't hear it and those guys are gone.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

coaches watch every player on every play, an average fan just remembers one or two plays, good ones for a win, bad ones for a loss.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 29, 2010 6:14 PM

Average fans don't hang out RI either...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I say McNabb comes out and act$ like an a$$ and forces the Iggles to terminate his contract.

I bet he'd come here then....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:14 PM

McNabb is due a 6.2 million dollar bonus on May 5th. The Eagles are looking a top
42 pick in return and they have 6.2 million reasons to trade him prior to May 5th.

I'd like to see McNabb stay. I cringe at the possibility of the Eagles getting a high 2nd rd pick and even further increasing the talent gap between us.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

That bonus is also why a teams may wait to see what the Eagles do about it.

Posted by: skinswest | March 29, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This is all that matters;


*Career Win/Loss
As a starter Jason Campbell has a horrid record of 22 wins and 42 loses. One of the worst by a starting Quarterback that has been allowed to continue as a starter for more than 4 years and the worst in Redskins history*

somebody told me to update the won's v losses #'s

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 29, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

G'yeah...cuz the the Raidahs are the only one stepping up to the plate because they think they can franchise tag him next year...

....But the CBA ends next year so if there is there a season with no new CBA, then it won't be any Franchise Tags......

....We all know McNAbb wants to go to Minny, but Favre has another 2 solid years in him.....

So we can use him for 2/3 years. He'll be in a WCO. And with a proven coaching staff. And he'll get to play the Eagles 2x a year.

If McNAbb is traded to the Raidahs, look for him to not show up to the physical...cuz that's F'd up.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5038866

Sounds like the Raiders aren't worried about McNabb's bonus. I for one wouldn't mind seeing McNabb out of the NFC East. Reid's pretty smart and probably likes what he sees in Kolb, but man that'd be a big leap.

Posted by: skinswest | March 29, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The Oakland Raiders have emerged as the leading candidate to land quarterback Donovan McNabb in a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles, league sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

If McNabb has a no-trade clause in his contract why would he okay a trade to the Raiders unless they come up with lots of $$$ which would be a big surprise because they already have lots of $$$ sunk in another QB and they don't exactly have $$$ to burn. There could be a game of chicken going on between McNabb and Reid, Reid telling McNabb that if he doesn't do the trade he will have to share playing time with Kolb or mebbe even be a back-up. Wouldn't that be a hoot - two former all pro QBs sitting on the bench behind a greenhorn.

Posted by: RoundToes | March 29, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's got a no trade clause. He can just refuse to sign an extension with the new club. While most teams want their QB happy, that doesn't appear to worry the Raiders though.

Posted by: skinswest | March 29, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

THE GOOD:
- The contract is only 1 year. Could really fuel the fire to prove he's still got "it"
- The contract is minimal for the given position and offer's a 50% performance-based incentive clause. That's pretty substantial and motivating.

THE BAD:
- Buchannon has not been really effective the last few years in the turnover department...something the coaching staff is supposedly stressing that we're moving towards this next season.
- Buchannon clearly has issues meeting expectations or he wouldn't be on his 5th team in 7 years. He's not met expectations as a young man and is only getting older. At CB, you don't improve with age (except maybe as a leader - anybody else miss Darrell Green?)

THE UGLY:

- He's been dropped by the Texans, the RAIDERS, and, the God AWFUL LIONS!! It should REALLY say something if these perennial defensively horrible teams dropped him from their rosters so quickly.
- He's yet another gamble on a "The U" guy, which rarely pays off for us. We mostly get guys that do have talent, but overshadow their careers with their attitudes of self-entitlement and over-importance. (haven't had that issue with Mac, so far, so it's not 100% across the board). No more Miami players, though, for the next decade or so please.

HTTR

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | March 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I say McNabb comes out and act$ like an a$$ and forces the Iggles to terminate his contract.

I bet he'd come here then....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:14 PM |

They sure would have a lot of egg on their face if they went from insisting on a 42 or better to ending up releasing him and getting nothing at all. What are the chances of something like that happening?

Posted by: RoundToes | March 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

How funny would it be for philly to suck like Green Bay did the first year without Favre and Oakland to suddenly be competitive. Say what you will about Oakland but when they got a semblance of decent play from the QB position they were decent and McNabb is infinetly better than Gradkowski. Russell? Maybe Davis cuts him. This would be the year to do it if he does.

Posted by: skinswest | March 29, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

anybody that says Carlos Rogers has played "at a consistent level " has got to be either blind or been watching ice hockey. The only consistency he dispays is consistently awful.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | March 29, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The 42 number is B.S.

Lots of Chicken Playing....No Way McNabb goes to a whole new offensive system that doesn't employee a WCO...That also means he'd have to learn a whole new language for the 1st time in his carrer (meaning he would get Jason Campbell'd). The WCO uses more words and don't use the passing tree numbered system that the Raiders use.

Here, all the language would be simialar.

With him, Spiller @ #4, LT in the 2nd....

...who knows....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

THE UGLY:

- He's been dropped by the Texans, the RAIDERS, and, the God AWFUL LIONS!! It should REALLY say something if these perennial defensively horrible teams dropped him from their rosters so quickly.
- He's yet another gamble on a "The U" guy, which rarely pays off for us. We mostly get guys that do have talent, but overshadow their careers with their attitudes of self-entitlement and over-importance. (haven't had that issue with Mac, so far, so it's not 100% across the board). No more Miami players, though, for the next decade or so please.

HTTR

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | March 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse
_________

In my opinion, you're being entirely too harsh. It appears as though he's being brought in here as the nickel guy, a role for which he's certainly qualified. He may not be starting quality, but he won't be starting, I think. BTW, his departure from the Lions looked like a salary move more than anything, and that franchise is so bad that I give them very little credit for personnel moves. So I'm willing to give him a pass for Detroit.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 29, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Karnac: Catch 22

Ed: If you threw 1,000 football to Carlos Rogers, how many would he catch?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 5:42 PM

zeke, I can't remember who posted it, but one of the funniest things I've ever seen up here was something to the effect of "If the Carlos Rogers biography was written by Joseph Heller, the title would be 'Drop-22'"

Posted by: 4-12

That's funny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy!

Posted by: dlr4skins |

One of Buddy Holly's best.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

My first LP 33 album. The BUDDY HOLLY STORY. Absolutely.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The only consistency he dispays is consistently awful.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | March 29, 2010 6:51 PM |

Rogers wants out of DC bad. So bad he let Jackson fly free when he could have been doing a decent job of covering him. There have been other acts of sabotage by inmates wanting out of jail, like Campbell sailing the ball way over the head of an open receiver, but none as blatant as what Rogers was up to towards the end of the season when all hope was gone. So far his plan doesn't seem to have worked.

Posted by: RoundToes | March 29, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Those of us old enough to remember, recall Bill Kilmer's passes rotated end-over-end. Helluva QB, tho.

Posted by: TheCork
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And they quacked when they hit the goal post.

Posted by: closer44 | March 29, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember a couple of receivers being flattened running KILMER's old post pick play too.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse


Karnac: Catch 22

Ed: If you threw 1,000 football to Carlos Rogers, how many would he catch?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 5:42 PM

zeke, I can't remember who posted it, but one of the funniest things I've ever seen up here was something to the effect of "If the Carlos Rogers biography was written by Joseph Heller, the title would be 'Drop-22'"

Posted by: 4-12

That's funny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Chuckle. LOl. How about "Catch-00."

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Those of us old enough to remember, recall Bill Kilmer's passes rotated end-over-end. Helluva QB, tho.

Posted by: TheCork

We used to call it "the Kilmer option" - you could catch the ball at either end...

Posted by: edvar | March 29, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Kilmer, in his pre Redskins days, was involved in one of the most famous/weird plays ever. Playing for SF. He was a receiver or back -- apparently he had some speed before he broke his leg.

Caught a pass, fumbled. Jim Marshall, the great Viking lineman picked it up and ran 66 yards to the end zone. The wrong end zone. Threw the ball into the stands to celebrate, before he realized it was a safety.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1005885/index.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

One of the many jokes about Kilmer's passes were that you could read the writing on the football while it was in the air.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I could see the team moving CR to free safety. He's not going to be a ball hawk but he can cover ground and tackle. If he shuts his mouth, he might be okay back there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"If Joseph Heller wrote Carlos' biography, it would be called 'Drop-22'

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 7, 2009 3:25 PM"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/tryon-might-have-found-just-th.html

etrod was en fuego that day.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 29, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I could see the team moving CR to free safety. He's not going to be a ball hawk but he can cover ground and tackle. If he shuts his mouth, he might be okay back there.

ERIC BERRY #4

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

RSH, who plays CB in that case, DHall, Buckhannon and Tryon? (shudder)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 29, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, people really do not remember 'los the way they should.

It is clear that Carlos had no interest in last year. He was pissed with Zorn and Blatche and hated the regime. He did not put in the effort in practice or games and was burnt a number of times. He has felt disrespected for the last year and a half, and while I do not agree with his position or his attitude, he has used that as a rational for his terrible play.

The kid does not have good hands, obviously... and that is clearly a hinderance for him... however when motivated and engaged he has proven to be one of the better COVER CORNERS in the league. He can shut down WRS who are taller/ more physical than he is and he can do it consistently.

I do not disagree that he played awful last year, especially down the stretch... and i do not disagree that he is a mental case. But saying that he is a terrible player and that he has not progressed or any of the other bullshi% i've read up in here recently is stupid and really beginning to piss me off.

His attitude is poor and his effort has not be great, but the man certainly is not a bad football player when he wants to be... thing is he just hasn't wanted to be for a the last year and a half...

The talent/potential is there... If Shanny keeps him happy and motivated he could be a great addition to our defense.

Dhall on the other hand does not understand how to cover... (I'm hoping this is blatches doing... but he couldnt do it in Oakland (again hoping thats just Oakland) either so who knows) but I would happily take a motivated Carlos over a motivated Dhall EVERY SINGLE DAY OF EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 29, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

He (Buchanon) brings much needed 3-4 backfield experience.

Young Safeties and corners, will need his advice, on coverage duties.

Posted by: dashriprock | March 29, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

geez Nate, etrod was on fire ... but how did you ever find that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's got a no trade clause. He can just refuse to sign an extension with the new club. While most teams want their QB happy, that doesn't appear to worry the Raiders though.

Posted by: skinswest

I heard he has a no trade clause and will only waive it to go to a team where he is GIVEN an extension. Will refuse a tade to a team only willing to sign him for one year.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The talent/potential is there... If Shanny keeps him happy and motivated he could be a great addition to our defense.


Posted by: peoplearestupid1

Keep Carlos motivated. Don't care if he is happy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

zeke... agreed. When he wants to be he is a fine player. Yet, when he doesn't want to be he is an awful player.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 29, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Talk mounts that Bradford won't sign a pre-draft contract

Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 7:55 PM ET

Amid reports that the Rams are talking to the agents for multiple players who could be the first overall pick in the 2010 draft, there's increasing chatter that, as to one of the players, there may not be much to discuss.

We're hearing from multiple league and media sources that Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford could refuse to sign a pre-draft contract with the Rams.

In the past four drafts, the only top pick not signed in advance of the commencement of the selection process was Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell. He ultimately held out into the regular season.

If Bradford declines to agree to terms before being picked, and if the Rams ultimately don't select him, Bradford would slide to the Redskins at No. 4, at worst. (He also could end up going second or third, if a team that needs a quarterback moves up.) Operating from the four hole, Bradford likely would then attempt to invoke the so-called "quarterback premium" in the hopes of getting more than the first overall pick, just as Matt Ryan did from the third spot two years ago.

If the Rams pick Bradford without a contract in place, the leverage then flips to the player, with the Rams compelled to get the guy signed in the hopes of justifying the pick and turning around a franchise that seems far longer than a decade removed from a Super Bowl win.

We also don't rule out the Rams picking Bradford and then attempting to trade him, like the Chargers did six years ago with Eli Manning.

Either way, Adam Schefter's prediction could end up being wrong -- but not because Bradford won't be regarded as the best player in the draft. The Rams could decide that they won't take Bradford if he makes it clear that he won't sign a contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"I really like (insert name of player still on the roster). We are going to have competition, and with hard work and effort (insert name of player) can be a great meember of our team."

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 5:59 PM

Is that what he said about Betts, Cartwright and ARE? If so, I didn't hear it and those guys are gone.

Posted by: mack1 | March 29, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse


Reading comprehension: FAIL.


(insert name of player still on the roster).

still on the roster).

on the roster).

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm tied for 16th in the brackets. Will wind up in the top 20. Pretty good for a guy who has no clue on college b-ball.

Only 2 guys, Biggs and James Showers have a chance to have picked the winner -- both went with WVa.

Showers is in 33rd place out of 37, and could finish 2nd if WVa wins out.

Of the 37 entries, no one picked Duke, a #1 seed, to win it all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 29, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Buchanan
Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2002 Oakland Raiders 6 21 21.0 0 0 2 81 40.5 81 1 5
2003 Oakland Raiders 16 42 40.0 2 0 6 176 29.3 83 2 10
2004 Oakland Raiders 14 59 50.0 9 0 3 69 23.0 37 1 9
2005 Houston Texans 10 35 29.0 6 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
2006 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14 26 22.0 4 0 2 0 0.0 0 0 8
2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 61 59.0 2 0 3 22 7.3 19 0 10
2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 52 48.0 4 0 2 33 16.5 26 1 6
2009 Detroit Lions 13 43 38.0 5 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
TOTAL 105 339 307.0 32 1 18 381 21.2 83 5 56

Hall:
Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2004 Atlanta Falcons 10 35 28.0 7 0.5 2 50 25.0 48 1 6
2005 Atlanta Falcons 15 65 58.0 7 0 6 177 29.5 65 0 10
2006 Atlanta Falcons 16 58 51.0 7 0 4 131 32.8 60 1 16
2007 Atlanta Falcons 16 70 63.0 7 0 5 80 16.0 33 0 16
2008 Washington Redskins 15 73 63.0 10 0.5 5 37 7.4 21 0 21
2009 Washington Redskins 13 58 46.0 12 0 4 114 28.5 44 0 9
TOTAL 85 359 309.0 50 1 26 589 22.7 65 2 78

rogers:
Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2005 Washington Redskins 12 46 42.0 4 0 2 14 7.0 14 0 4
2006 Washington Redskins 15 80 68.0 12 0 1 0 0.0 0 0 17
2007 Washington Redskins 7 25 20.0 5 0 1 61 61.0 61 1 7
2008 Washington Redskins 16 56 49.0 7 0 2 73 36.5 42 0 24
2009 Washington Redskins 16 39 36.0 3 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 12
TOTAL 66 246 215.0 31 0 6 148 24.7 61 1 64

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 29, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan713 - it's funny; I actually did have the thought as to whether I wanted to give any credibility to Detroit letting him go or not. It may actually be a testiment to him, given how crappy their personnel moves have been.
Anyway, I was hoping for more than a nickel package guy. We need someone to provide competition for the starting roles as Shanahan keeps saying we are looking for. Rogers can be good, but A) if we can get better, let's do it, and B) if someone gets injured early on in the year, are we ok relying on Buchannon?

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | March 29, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Phillip is a return guy on S. Teams, too.

I see very little chance the 'Skins draft for secondary this year. Not with needs on the O-line, QB, and LB. It's very possible we don't address our QB need until next year, so drafting a FS might be the only move to make on our rather young secondary.

I'd still like to take a flyer on FS D. Sharper. For the right price on a short term deal of course.

I wanted Porter for the right price too. In hindsight, I'm pleased the Cards over-paid him. Our lack of MLBs is concerning, considering we will use some 3-4 defensive fronts.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | March 29, 2010 8:28 PM

The problem with what you want is if said player could play and challenge for a starting role then said player wouldn't be unemployed.

There is no guarantee that Buchannan makes the roster let alone be the nickel corner.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

In the past four drafts, the only top pick not signed in advance of the commencement of the selection process was Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell. He ultimately held out into the regular season.
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JaBustus Russell.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:16 PM

Yikes. Sign and trade huh. Which owner will be willing to pay the ransom Bradford would want? Hmmm.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and add future RB to our need list as well.

Shanny will get one of the many burners in this year's draft, prolly in 2nd or 4th round.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

With him, Spiller @ #4, LT in the 2nd....

...who knows....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 29, 2010 6:55 PM

Its a good thing to dream! So, keep dreaming.

Posted by: abxinc | March 29, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Yikes. Sign and trade huh. Which owner will be willing to pay the ransom Bradford would want? Hmmm.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 8:33 PM

If he falls to 4 then they take him but it would be insane to give up this year’s 1st and 2nd or this year’s 1st and next year’s 1st for him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I heard he has a no trade clause and will only waive it to go to a team where he is GIVEN an extension. Will refuse a tade to a team only willing to sign him for one year.

Posted by: Lisa_R

`

Precisely and Unfortunately.

McNabb will be an Eagle this year, but it will be his last year.

The man completely resurrected that franchise. The Eagles have demonstrated that they have a "playoff" talented roster, but mark my words: No McNabb = No Playoffs for Eagles. Anything that weakens a division opponent is good.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Too many good QBs coming out next year to give up picks to move up for Bradford. I think the ShanaAllenMan is too smart to give up high picks, with such a depleted roster.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 29, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

If he falls to 4 then they take him but it would be insane to give up this year’s 1st and 2nd or this year’s 1st and next year’s 1st for him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:40 PM

He's not falling, and they would demand a lot more than two picks for him. He had a great showing today -- "Best I've seen since Troy Aikman" one scout said. Big issue that no one can answer is the injury risk. Scary.

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Talk mounts that Bradford won't sign a pre-draft contract

Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 7:55 PM ET

Amid reports that the Rams are talking to the agents for multiple players who could be the first overall pick in the 2010 draft, there's increasing chatter that, as to one of the players, there may not be much to discuss.

We're hearing from multiple league and media sources that Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford could refuse to sign a pre-draft contract with the Rams.

In the past four drafts, the only top pick not signed in advance of the commencement of the selection process was Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell. He ultimately held out into the regular season.

If Bradford declines to agree to terms before being picked, and if the Rams ultimately don't select him, Bradford would slide to the Redskins at No. 4, at worst. (He also could end up going second or third, if a team that needs a quarterback moves up.) Operating from the four hole, Bradford likely would then attempt to invoke the so-called "quarterback premium" in the hopes of getting more than the first overall pick, just as Matt Ryan did from the third spot two years ago.

If the Rams pick Bradford without a contract in place, the leverage then flips to the player, with the Rams compelled to get the guy signed in the hopes of justifying the pick and turning around a franchise that seems far longer than a decade removed from a Super Bowl win.

We also don't rule out the Rams picking Bradford and then attempting to trade him, like the Chargers did six years ago with Eli Manning.

Either way, Adam Schefter's prediction could end up being wrong -- but not because Bradford won't be regarded as the best player in the draft. The Rams could decide that they won't take Bradford if he makes it clear that he won't sign a contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

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If this is true, it could be a power play on Bradford's part because he would rather play for Shanny.

Makes good sense. He would still get his money but play for a better situation that's more conducive to his success.

Remember that both the rams and the skins have private workouts scheduled

I,m on record as being a Clausen guy.

But I don't care if Donald Duck is our QB.... I want to win

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If this is true, it could be a power play on Bradford's part because he would rather play for Shanny.

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 8:48 PM

It's a power play, alright, but one aimed at getting the most guaranteed money. Guy's planning a long holdout. With his injury risk, he's got to get as much money up front as possible.

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

If he falls to 4 then they take him but it would be insane to give up this year’s 1st and 2nd or this year’s 1st and next year’s 1st for him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:40 PM

I agree, but maybe JC , the 4th pick, and next year's 2nd for Bradford and mid round draft pick this year. Not saying that I'm down with that, but if Shanny is strongly committed to having Bradford, then....

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Donald Duck can wing it, but he has trouble getting the cadence called correctly.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 29, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 8:48 PM

No way he's not going to be a Ram. The Rams are going to be sold and need to sell tickets. A shiny new QB sells tickets and buys the coach/FO time.

Here is their last 7 1st RD picks

2009 1 2 Jason Smith OT
2008 1 2 Chris Long DE
2007 1 13 Adam Carriker DT
2006 1 15 Tye Hill CB
2005 1 19 Alex Barron OT
2004 1 24 Steven Jackson RB
2003 1 12 Jimmy Kennedy DT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Or we could trade Haynesworth and JC17 to the Rams for their 1st and 2nd.

Then draft
1- Bradford QB
4- Okung OT
33- Terrance Cody NT
37- Bruce Campbell OT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Here is their last 7 1st RD picks
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There's lots of ways to FAIL in the NFL.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree, but maybe JC , the 4th pick, and next year's 2nd for Bradford and mid round draft pick this year. Not saying that I'm down with that, but if Shanny is strongly committed to having Bradford, then....

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 8:57 PM

If we took and played Bradford behind that line he would instantly become David Carr.

I do like how the Rams invested in their O-line the past few years.

Posted by: dcwun | March 29, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

If you were Bradford, would you want to play for the Rams?

You could be right on the guaranteed money. But if you're the rams, you could get cold feet with sue there.

I would give them JC17 for their third.

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

It's a one-year contract for a guy Allen is familiar with. I don't see how anybody could object to it.


Posted by: Tank2

Apparently you're unfamiliar with this blog.

Posted by: TheCork | March 29, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

If you were Bradford, would you want to play for the Rams?

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010


If I were Bradford and looked at the O-line situations for the Rams and Skins, I'd pick the Rams. As fragile as he is, you know that has to be in his head.

Posted by: dcwun | March 29, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

If I were Bradford and looked at the O-line situations for the Rams and Skins, I'd pick the Rams. As fragile as he is, you know that has to be in his head.

Posted by: dcwun | March 29, 2010 9:15 PM

As far as talent and a balanced roster, the Rams are ahead of the Skins.

Considering we have split with them the last 2 years, it's tough to argue.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I would give them JC17 for their third.

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Then a LT who can start better be there at #37. Otherwise you're looking at dealing w/ Balt for Gaither from a weakened position. There are no starting caliber LT left in FA. Yes, someone may release a vet OT after the draft, but didn't the Skins go that route last year? How did that work for us? So if the Skins sell their soul for Bradford, the Skin may well end up paying a premium for him, and for the LT that they will have to trade for.

Posted by: TWISI | March 29, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

If I were Bradford and looked at the coaching situation of the two teams, i.e., Shanny v. Spagnolo, I'd choose the 'Skins.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 29, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If I were Bradford and looked at the coaching situation of the two teams, i.e., Shanny v. Spagnolo, I'd choose the 'Skins.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 29, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I,m on record as being a Clausen guy.

But I don't care if Donald Duck is our QB.... I want to win

Posted by: byrdinthesky

Clausen does bear an uncanny resemblance to Donald Duck...or Daffy Duck...or any old duck.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Or we could trade Haynesworth and JC17 to the Rams for their 1st and 2nd.

Then draft
1- Bradford QB
4- Okung OT
33- Terrance Cody NT
37- Bruce Campbell OT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM |

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported the Eagles had an offer to send McNabb to St. Louis in exchange for the Rams' second-round draft pick (33rd overall) and free safety Oshiomogho Atogwe.

Auditioning for a job as a reporter for the PI? Blogging on RI ain't good enough for you?

Posted by: RoundToes | March 29, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

If I were Bradford and looked at the O-line situations for the Rams and Skins, I'd pick the Rams. As fragile as he is, you know that has to be in his head.

Posted by: dcwun | March 29, 2010 9:15 PM

As far as talent and a balanced roster, the Rams are ahead of the Skins.

Considering we have split with them the last 2 years, it's tough to argue.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse
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That's fair to say, but we have been so dysfunctional, you really don't know

I've seen it many times where a bad team gets good virtually overnight when the right coach comes in

Remember, we are an o-line and a QB away from competing with anyone.

Our defense was worn down two years in a row because of no offense

There is no way that the Rams have as much talent as us

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Or we could trade Haynesworth and JC17 to the Rams for their 1st and 2nd.

Then draft
1- Bradford QB
4- Okung OT
33- Terrance Cody NT
37- Bruce Campbell OT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM |

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported the Eagles had an offer to send McNabb to St. Louis in exchange for the Rams' second-round draft pick (33rd overall) and free safety Oshiomogho Atogwe.

Auditioning for a job as a reporter for the PI? Blogging on RI ain't good enough for you?

Posted by: RoundToes | March 29, 2010 9:40 PM

I've been saying this for weeks. It's really a Madden type trade, and probably isn't even possible on last years version.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd take that trade even though it won't happen

But don't rule out dealing one of our 2 TE if get a QB with #4

especially if the pickings don't look real good at #37

Love to give Davis to the pats for 2 #2's

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Clausen does bear an uncanny resemblance to Donald Duck...or Daffy Duck...or any old duck.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 9:32 PM |
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Emu

Clausen
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 29, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

There is no way that the Rams have as much talent as us

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 9:42 PM

Comparison of our Roster and what a GM would like to have for 2010 and beyond

QB Rams if Bradford
RB Rams
WR Skins
TE Skins
OL Rams

DE Rams
DT Skins
OLB Skins
MLB Rams
FS Rams
SS Rams
CB Skins
KR/PR Rams
K Rams
P Rams

Coach Staff Skins

It's a lot closer than you would think.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Emu

Clausen
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

You are so right...the resemblance is amazing!

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"If I were Bradford and looked at the O-line situations for the Rams and Skins, I'd pick the Rams. As fragile as he is, you know that has to be in his head."

I hope all the folks who mock Bradford today will be quick to admit their mistake should he be prove to be another one of the progeny q-backs--like Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez--coming out of college anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on SS

They do have an advantage with youth at many positions

We sure have a lot of work to do

Let's start by getting the right QB

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"Love to give Davis to the pats for 2 #2's"


Two second round picks for a guy who's not a pro bowler?

Think about the logic behind that, homie.

I'd say a better move might be sending A Carter to the pats as the pats don't have much in the way of a pass rushing defensive end.

A Carter for a 3rd rounder is a more likely deal, but the pats don't make moves like that--they hold on to their picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on SS

They do have an advantage with youth at many positions

We sure have a lot of work to do

Let's start by getting the right QB

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 10:06 PM

I got a little overzealous. I think with a solid FS, LL can be a pro bowler at SS. But we haven’t seen it from him consistently so I would agree with a PUSH at the SS position.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

But I don't care if Donald Duck is our QB.... I want to win

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 8:48 PM

Yeah... I'd be a little concerned if they sign Donald Duck, but not as much as if they signed his brother Howard the Duck. You can forget about selling any tickets to that mess!

Posted by: edvar | March 29, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Davis on the pats would be lethal with Brady.

But you make a good point.

They signed Crumpler who is no longer a play maker.

carter for a 3rd.... I would make that trade.

I might even do it for a 4th if a guy I want is there on draft day

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Or we could trade Haynesworth and JC17 to the Rams for their 1st and 2nd.

Then draft
1- Bradford QB
4- Okung OT
33- Terrance Cody NT
37- Bruce Campbell OT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM
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1. Put down the crack pipe
2. What GM in the NFL take those players in a trade for such high picks?
3. Like the picks though, will never happen even in FFL

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope all the folks who mock Bradford today will be quick to admit their mistake should he be prove to be another one of the progeny q-backs--like Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez--coming out of college anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:02 PM
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Progeny q-back?

I'm not sure what that is.

I guess a prodigal q-back would run around in his own end zone taking safeties for a few years and then get traded. A few years later and down on his luck, he volunteers to come back to the team as a special teams player, and then leads the team to the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the smart qb he replaced is back riding the pine.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 29, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please pass me the blog petition outlining why the 'Skins should trade a 2nd rounder for LT Jared Gaither?

I'm thinking about signing it.

Ya know, on second thought, I'll just file this rumor under the "too good to be true" section next to the "McNabb traded" and "Skins draft McClain" folders.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Or we could trade Haynesworth and JC17 to the Rams for their 1st and 2nd.

Then draft
1- Bradford QB
4- Okung OT
33- Terrance Cody NT
37- Bruce Campbell OT

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 9:03 PM
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1. Put down the crack pipe
2. What GM in the NFL take those players in a trade for such high picks?
3. Like the picks though, will never happen even in FFL

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 10:22 PM

You should read the blog more. If you did you would know that I usually follow this scenario with a Madden reference. Please see 9:46 this evening or if you care enough you can research the last 2 weeks.

It's a joke....Much like the trade 86 for 2 2nd's or 47 for a 1st.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

It's a joke....Much like the trade 86 for 2 2nd's or 47 for a 1st.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 10:55 PM
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So then I take it comedian is not your day and hopefully you're not air traffic controller either

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

oops day job

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

mock draft analysis

#1 - Bradford 51%, Clausen 25%, Suh 24%
#2 - Suh 49%, Okung 28%, G.McCoy 22%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 49%, Suh 25%, Berry 19%, Okung 4%, Clausen 2%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Clausen 31%, Okung 30%, Bradford 25%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 3%, Bulaga 3%
#5 - Berry 30%, Okung 27%, Bulaga 16%, Davis 6%, McClain 5%, Campbell 5%, Bradford 2%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I still think Okung is the smart pick. I think that is our only option. Pick up a QB later. I'm still going to hold out hope for Brennen.


Posted by: westjr88 | March 29, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

So then I take it comedian is not your day and hopefully you're not air traffic controller either

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:02 PM

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Be prepared...nooneoutzingsDiesel44

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

No way I'd trade Fred Davis!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 29, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I was going for a combination of irony and sarcasm with a subtle hint of smugness

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I think the top 3 picks will be

Bradford, Okung, Suh

the question then is who do the Skins pick at #4?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I knew Diesel44's trade suggestion was sarcasm, but that's cause I'm telepathic.

P.S. Using my special powers, I see:

1) Bradford
2) Okung
3) Suh
4) Conundrum, if we can't trade back.

That's why I've suggested Berry, if this comes to pass. I don't see Gerald McCoy as anything other than a D.T., and we've already got some of those. And I don't see the emu as an upgrade over the QB we have now.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 29, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Okung should fall to us.

Here's why:

The Lions could either get the best DT--and supposedly the consensus top prospect in the draft--at #2 and a highly rated offensive linemen in a deep o-line draft at #34.

or

Get the best OT at #2 and then table scraps of a thin d-line, linebacker, and cornerback draft crop at #34

They have needs everywhere but clearly the first scenario is smarter. However, we're talking about the Lions.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

So then I take it comedian is not your day and hopefully you're not air traffic controller either

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 29, 2010 11:02 PM`

Be prepared...nooneoutzingsDiesel44

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:08 PM

I shall lean on the body of my work and not feel the need to respond to noone especially if he's not well versed in sarcasm or jest. I can teach and raise the bar but noone can do it better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

It's a joke....Much like the trade 86 for 2 2nd's or 47 for a 1st.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 29, 2010 10:55 PM

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Actually I'd trade Cooley for a 1st rounder in a heartbeat. Take best player available at 4 and O-linemen at the other spot.

But Cooley couldn't net a 1st rounder. Even in the Madden world.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter: McNabb is closer to going to the Raiders for their 39th!

Posted by: abxinc | March 29, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

According to PFT, Jared Gaither is available for a 2nd round pick. If I'm Bruce Allen, I trade my 2nd for Gaither and STILL draft Okung at #4. Can you say the Hogs v2.0?

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | March 30, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato and Kiper == butt buddies. And that's why he keeps saying the Skins will pick Clausen. Sheesh ... Mel, he isn't with the Skins anymore dude.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

But Cooley couldn't net a 1st rounder. Even in the Madden world.

But Cooley and Campbell might. Hopefully with additional picks in tow.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

There is an important point in this -- Shanahan won't trade for Bradford until he has an agreement for a contract. Which means there will be some 'notice' on whether the Skins are going to get him.

Shanahan would be a fool to trade for Bradford without a contract agreement ahead of time. And Shanahan isn't a fool.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

The guy nobody's talking about trading is Todd Yoder.

Oh, right...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Okung should fall to us.

Here's why:

The Lions could either get the best DT--and supposedly the consensus top prospect in the draft--at #2 and a highly rated offensive linemen in a deep o-line draft at #34.

or

Get the best OT at #2 and then table scraps of a thin d-line, linebacker, and cornerback draft crop at #34

They have needs everywhere but clearly the first scenario is smarter. However, we're talking about the Lions.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:31 PM

Could'nt disagree more. When you have a prize #1 pick QB getting knocked on his ass every game and then injured like Stafford was last year you want an LOT who can step in and start. If the Lions stay at #2 they take Okung - no question in my mind. There will be a run on OT's through the first round and all they'll be left with at #33 are development players at OT. They passed on a fliing Oher last year at #20 and lived to regret it. Mayhew won't make the same mistake twice.

Posted by: PCinOz | March 30, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

...and in addition, if Okung gets to TB, they'll trade out to KC or Seattle who will be looking to get in front of us to take a OT.

TB know if Okung goes at #3 then Suh/McCoy could drop to #5 or #6, if they don't they get their second choice anyway in Berry.

Posted by: PCinOz | March 30, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PCinOz | March 30, 2010 1:18 AM

Exactly. I couldn't agree more.
1-Bradford
2-Okung
3-McCoy
4-Suh or Berry...that's it that's the list. No one is trading up and no one else is worth the 4th pick in the draft. I don't smoke but if you do....put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 30, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

To review from yesterday:

-I like Philip Buchanon as a return man, not a CB, but at least it helps the depth. Good signing in an uncapped year.

-Glad Sam Bradford had a good workout. Ensures he'll be a Ram and increases the odds that we snag either Okung or Suh.

-Vinny needs to STFU...the ink isn't dry yet on his pink slip and he's already running his piehole about crap he's clearly biased about. If anyone valued his opinion on NFL personnel, he'd have a damn job. Here's hoping he permanently fades to black.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Certainly an improvement over Smoot or Tryon. An experienced nickleback with some speed who isn't afraid, or in capable, of tackling. And for a relatively cheap contract too. Radical change over Cerrato's style.

Posted by: tkoho | March 30, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see this last night? Looks like our old friend JLC is still doing quite a bit of speculating about his old beat (from PFT):

Gaither could be available for less than first round pick
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 29, 2010 8:53 PM ET
Time is running out for teams to sign restricted free agent Ravens tackle Jared Gaither to an offer sheet, but he may be available for less than his first round tender.

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, citing two Ravens sources, said Monday an offer of a "high second round" pick would get a team's foot in the door.

La Canfora suggests the Redskins as a possibility. If Washington didn't draft a tackle in the first round, they could potentially send their second round pick for Gaither.

There would be no April 15 deadline to sign Gaither to an offer sheet because it would be a straight trade.

By all accounts, Gaither played like a quality starting left tackle last year. That's why it's surprising Baltimore seems so open to moving him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

-Vinny needs to STFU....

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 5:27 AM

Not true! Vinny needs to talk more, not less. He should sit down and write his book, "Lapdog: My Decade of Redskin Mediocrity." I'd rather read that one than another Gibbs Christian manifesto. Or I'd at least like to read the Readers' Digest condensed version.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

I still think Okung is the smart pick. I think that is our only option. Pick up a QB later. I'm still going to hold out hope for Brennen.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 29, 2010 11:06 PM |

It can't be are only option since it wont be an option at all, Okung will be a Lion. The Skins will have plenty of options and hopefully will make the right choice.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

If we could give are #2 for Gaither straight up I would do that in a second. We all think they should go OT at 2 anyway, you will never find one as good as Gaitherat #2 make that trade.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't know Flound...seems to me like the Lions coaching staff is pretty high on Suh. The only way they pick Okung IMO is if Mayhew pulls rank...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Nice catch there, Flounder. The Redskins, at #4 will be looking at a list of about 250 names but of the 250 "our only option" is a guy whose name isn't even on the list? Sounds like westjr88 is a political speech writer.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I would too--on the surface--but you gotta wonder why the Ravens would be so anxious to get him off their hands. If you've got a franchise LT, I don't see why you trade him away. I suppose they could just be that high on the prospect of playing Oher on the left, but I'm kinda skeptical over why they wouldn't wanna keep 'em both.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't know Flound...seems to me like the Lions coaching staff is pretty high on Suh. The only way they pick Okung IMO is if Mayhew pulls rank...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:14 AM |

I hope your right and would love to admit that I was wrong, but something tells me he will be gone when we pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I like the notion of trading the 2nd for Gaither. We get the LT that we need and thus opens up our options with the #4 pick.
The Rams almost have to take Bradford. As far as we go at QB, I would like to see us draft Case Keenan out of the University of Houston but that will have to be next year.
If a QB has to come in this draft then I wouldnt mind it being Skelton.
As for the Lions, they stick with tradition....and with the 2nd pick in the 2010 draft, select..............................................Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I would too--on the surface--but you gotta wonder why the Ravens would be so anxious to get him off their hands. If you've got a franchise LT, I don't see why you trade him away. I suppose they could just be that high on the prospect of playing Oher on the left, but I'm kinda skeptical over why they wouldn't wanna keep 'em both.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM |

Thats true there could be something going on, or maybe they realize that eventually having to starting caliber LT will cost a lot. Besides they draft good OL all the time they could replace him easy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like westjr88 is a political speech writer.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Far from it, LS.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

My 12 year old daughter is going to Bethany beach today with some friends, they will be staying until Thursday parentally supervised of course.

I will have to deal with the upset Wife missing her little baby.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

They can replace him with Oher.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Where is Bethany Beach F21?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

True Flound...I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't be mad at getting Gaither.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Nice catch there, Flounder. The Redskins, at #4 will be looking at a list of about 250 names but of the 250 "our only option" is a guy whose name isn't even on the list? Sounds like westjr88 is a political speech writer.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 6:19 AM

Thats like going to a bar finding the hottest girl there seeing her kissing her boyfriend, and saying thats my only option tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Where is Bethany Beach F21?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:36 AM |

It's in DE a few miles above Ocean City MD.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I hope you met with the parents that are supposed to be supervising...I don't mean to freak you out or anything, but after I saw the movie "Taken" I'm going to be obssessive over the details of any trip my daughter takes without me there.

But on a pleasant note, my in-laws keep a summer home there, it's a really nice area...also a stone throw away from Ocean City.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I should rephrase my statement and add this......IF we STILL have not gotten a LT and Okung is still on the board when we pick..THEN it is our only option.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Im on a tugboat anchored in NY Harbor, brown......just curious where it was at.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Talk mounts that Bradford won't sign a pre-draft contract
Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 7:55 PM ET
Amid reports that the Rams are talking to the agents for multiple players who could be the first overall pick in the 2010 draft, there's increasing chatter that, as to one of the players, there may not be much to discuss.

We're hearing from multiple league and media sources that Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford could refuse to sign a pre-draft contract with the Rams.

In the past four drafts, the only top pick not signed in advance of the commencement of the selection process was Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell. He ultimately held out into the regular season.

If Bradford declines to agree to terms before being picked, and if the Rams ultimately don't select him, Bradford would slide to the Redskins at No. 4, at worst. (He also could end up going second or third, if a team that needs a quarterback moves up.) Operating from the four hole, Bradford likely would then attempt to invoke the so-called "quarterback premium" in the hopes of getting more than the first overall pick, just as Matt Ryan did from the third spot two years ago.

If the Rams pick Bradford without a contract in place, the leverage then flips to the player, with the Rams compelled to get the guy signed in the hopes of justifying the pick and turning around a franchise that seems far longer than a decade removed from a Super Bowl win.

We also don't rule out the Rams picking Bradford and then attempting to trade him, like the Chargers did six years ago with Eli Manning.

Either way, Adam Schefter's prediction could end up being wrong -- but not because Bradford won't be regarded as the best player in the draft. The Rams could decide that they won't take Bradford if he makes it clear that he won't sign a contract.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I hope you met with the parents that are supposed to be supervising...I don't mean to freak you out or anything, but after I saw the movie "Taken" I'm going to be obssessive over the details of any trip my daughter takes without me there.

But on a pleasant note, my in-laws keep a summer home there, it's a really nice area...also a stone throw away from Ocean City.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:41 AM |

My wife is very protective of our daughters, she knows the parents and trusts them so I was OK with it.

Taken was a great movie.

Bethany is great but I'm an OC MD guy, I lived there for the summer when I was 17 and worked at Jolly Rogers on the waterslides talk about girls everywhere.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Adam Schefter fan. I listened to him justify why Art Monk wasn't in the Hall of Fame. Michael "8 ball" Irvin getting in ahead of him was a crime.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

If I'm the Rams I do a contract with Suh and try to get one done with Bradford, if he doesn't want to sign I take Suh.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Where is Bethany Beach F21?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:36 AM |

It's in DE a few miles above Ocean City MD.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 6:39 AM
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Hey, I grew up about twenty minutes from there in a little town called Millsboro. BB is nice but real quiet this time of year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear, Flound. And yeah, Taken was a great action flick. I used to think Liam Neeson was kind of a punk, but he rocked the sh*t outta that movie.

Westjr88, I agree 100%. I wanted to strangle his idiot ass when he made the moronic statement "Art Monk doesn't have a signature catch". I mean, WTF? Who needs a signature catch when you retired with 940 of 'em?

And why leave a gig in L.A. as the top NFL Insider on the league's own network to join in the talking head circle jerk in the sticks of Connectiucut at ESPN? They must've offered him a mint to come over there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

"Progeny q-back? I'm not sure what that is."

Point-taken: I meant 'prodigy.'

But again, we mock the idea of taking a quarterback, then spend a day picking apart the weaknesses of the guy we got, Jason Campbell.

Slam Claussen and Bradford all you want.

I'll admit that if the team somehow took Bradford, I'd cry for the entire space of 30 seconds.

I caught four games of his in '08 and was totally impressed with his accuracy: and you can't say that about either Rex of Campbell.

But if these dudes step into the league and do well immediately--as has been the trend (Sanchez, Ryan, Flacco)--you have to say a young quarterback definately must be on the redskin 'to-do' list.....

...in 2011.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why there was even an argument. He should have been first ballot. Dude retired #1 all-time.
I met him and Darrell Green outside the stadium last year right before the Dallas game. They were selling Hall of Fame merchandise for charity and autographing it and there was NOBODY but security standing there. They were super nice. We posed for a picture and Darrell Green said, "don't you guys run off after the picture. The lady forgot to ring up the tax." I looked up at him and said,"Run off? Like I'm going to outrun YOU!"

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Moe, not that we should be aiming for this per se, but if we want a rookie QB that has the ability to start immediately, it seems that guy is more likely to be in NEXT year's draft, not this one. The only guy I think even has a shot at being good right away is Bradford and I wouldn't want him going Week 1 in front of the leaky line we have in front of him now. That's why I think it's important to spend the '10 draft building the line and THEN get the "QB of the Future" in '11. Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Haha, great story westjr.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Art Monk is a class act and a hell of a nice guy.

Im also in the group wanting to target the QB NEXT year.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Alright, I'm new here. What does the "beep" mean and when is it utilized?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

It's what a tug-boat says when it wants the right-of-way! Seriously, westjr88, I don't know, but welcome to the jungle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

" think Shanny has a lot of confidence in his ability as a leader & understands that 75% of NFL wins are done with coaching, schemes, & game plans"Posted by: tony325

I suspect Shanahan has figured out that two thirds of NFL games are 'lost' by one team rather than 'won' by the other, and he's looking to plug some holes in his defense.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

TACKLE first unless we get multiple high picks for trades.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh wait, ERIC BERRY for the defense first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

23 days. OL @ 4. Please.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

PB WAS a big deal at one time...And 18 picks over his career does not a turnover machine make. At this point, we just need someone to cover and HOPEFULLY not drop interceptions THROWN RIGHT TO HIM (Butter Rogers, are you listening son?).

PB is still arrogant enough to think he's still that first round pick guy...we'll see if he can fool himself into playing like it

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 30, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

PB WAS a big deal at one time...And 18 picks over his career does not a turnover machine make. At this point, we just need someone to cover and HOPEFULLY not drop interceptions THROWN RIGHT TO HIM (Butter Rogers, are you listening son?).

PB is still arrogant enough to think he's still that first round pick guy...we'll see if he can fool himself into playing like it

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 30, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

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