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Poll: How do you feel about Redskins' new approach to free agency?

At The League, the topic du jour is whether the Redskins' measured approach to free agency will stick or whether they'll morph into the football version of the Yankees again.

Mark Maske has the latest headlines from around the NFL as well. And, in case you're feeling a little confused about the new uncapped NFL year that began at midnight, Bonnie Berkowitz and Maske have the details.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 5, 2010; 10:45 AM ET
Categories:  Free agency  
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Comments

I cannot believe people are complaining about getting two free agent Tackles. WTF!!

Posted by: Stu27 | March 5, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Stu27.....people are always gonna complain about what the Skins do. I'm loving the new direction this team is taking!!! hurts to see a couple of the guys get cut yesterday (Griffin and Smoot) but at the end of the day..it's a business. Unfortunately...this team has dug itself a whole the last 10 yrs...so it going to take a while to get back on solid ground!! But so far so good!!

Posted by: chicoexcell | March 5, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

We haven't gotten anyone yet.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

never forget that those who shout loudest are not the majority.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

might be time to go fishing....been on a little bit of a roll lately....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 10:50 AM

Not only that, but I think RI is stocked w/new fish today. go get 'em.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

We haven't gotten anyone yet! But that is a good thing. Taking a cautious approach to FA and we only hear about olinemen coming in so far... this is great. No complaints, yet.

Posted by: moosepod | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Won't someone please take one of our RFA's and add to our draft picks? Please?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

How about... want to marry it?

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Danny...Spend the money.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

D) Indifferent. Wait and See.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

For Sproles, I wouldn't want to give anything more than a 4th this year and maybe a 5th next year... or a swap for Carlos would be fine.

Jets with Cro and Revis - sick.

Is JC safer with the continuity of Rabach around for 3 years?

One good thing about being the Redskins...no one wants our players. If was the Chargers, I'd be pissed about losing Sproles and Cro... Dansby, etc.

Luckily we dont have anybody that anyone wants.

Is Pashos really a ZBS tackle? Seems like a mauler.

Clifton is nothing more than a 2 year stopgap.

I still would like to get Dansby.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Good to see 84% of us are thinking with our brains today...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse


might be time to go fishing....been on a little bit of a roll lately....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 10:50 AM

Not only that, but I think RI is stocked w/new fish today. go get 'em.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM
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We know the kind of fishing Bean does. He uses a little PFT story for bait...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

D. Whateves

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

sigh...sometimes comprehension is so hard for some people...

So Cromatie went for a 3rd, which could upgrade to a 2nd based on performance, so if the team was to trade CRogers, they could expect a 12th round pick, which could upgrade to an udfa based on performance...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Positions of need apparently being focused on during Free Agency. What team is this?

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 10:24 AM

Offensive linemen closer to 30 than 20 who come in to "win now", eat up the investment in the offensive line (leaving less money for depth), and hopefully not get injured.

At least, that would have been my attitude when Vinny was here. My attitude now is that they are coming in for locker room leadership after yesterday's beheadings.

I agree with 4th. Whateves.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love this approach. Stay patient, sign lineman and stay away from big names. Welcome Bruce Allen!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I love what's going on. I looks like the FO is taking a planned approach to FA. It looks like the FO has a plan and is going to stick to that plan. As far as I can tell, it's get rid of what we can and begin to grow for the future.

It doesn't look like they are going to reach or overpay for players just because the may like to have them on the roster. If they pick a person up, then it's going to be from a team building perspective. Not a dramatic Free Agent move.

This gives me confidence that in the draft they will take caution and pick exactly who they feel will allow them to build a solid and well balanced team for years to come.

If it's Bradford, Clausen, Okung, Trent Williams, or Berry...then I trust their judgement.

Personally, I think we need a bookend tackle and pick up QB next year. But we'll see. There's a reason they're there and I'm here speculating.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"A person familiar with the Redskins' thinking told me late last night not to be surprised that Washington let Peppers go to the Bears without a fight, or if they didn't make a big push for Dansby. This person told me the Redskins were "focused internally," and still undergoing a thorough and rigorous evaluation of the current roster and specific needs and deficiencies. That's not to say the Redskins won't sign any free agents -- just that they're more likely this year to sit out the big-money early action and focus on second-tier guys who fit specific holes."

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/05/free-agency-underway-so-where-are-the-redskins/

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I think Washington is a good place for both Pashos and Clifton. You can never have enough competition at a position and it is going to force them (and Heyer) to work harder. Plus, I think a person that plays left tackle can be versatile enough to slide inside if need warrants whereas no one is going to sign a guard with the idea they can slide outside (except Vinny, that is).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Bean;

i was kinda surprised he only went for a 3 maybe a two and not a 2 straight up...did he fall off that much last year?

SD seems to be doing some questionable moves. especially not realizing other teams liked sproles... wtf... i would fire a GM if he had not tendered him to at least get something in return

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

All the crying at Redskin Park from some of the players either cut or tendered speaks volumes to the lousy attitude that helped produce a lousy football team the last several years.

Rogers: You blow, at the worst times. Shut it.

Rock: LOL. Seriously, what has this clown got to complain about now? He was never very good, and if this whiny little biotch was a leader, that again would speak volumes about this team's past problems.

ARE: If you ran in the right direction, maybe...nah. You held this team up with the money you made. Bu-bye.

I like that no one was signed 5 minutes after 12:00 on Friday. That's a good start. Otherwise, we'll see. Certainly, the cuts look good, and the bad apples are showing their colors - all the better for the new management to root them out.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins sign both these players, that #4 pick is very much up for sale particularly if Bradford is off the board. They could also stay put pick the BPA and look later in the draft for Olmen who are talented but need a year or two because of playing experience or competition faced in college.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Sign these 2 tackles
go get dansby
and dunta robinson
call it a day.


antrel rolle would be nice too but the giants are about to sign him

Posted by: granby06 | March 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It fills my heart with joy when I see Cindy posting threads up here... kind of reassuring that there's at least one grown-up involved with this ongoing conversation. (And that the grown-up in question is the Dauphine...)

Such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 5th, 2010 11:10
"Peppers to DC"
In what's being called a stunning move, Julius Peppers, and his agent abruptly left their meeting with the Chicago Bears in the middle of negotiations, hopped on a plane and flew directly to Washington DC, even though they had no meeting scheduled with the Redskins, according to Mike Shanahan, as well as Bruce Allen. Rumors continue to swirl that Dan Snyder arranged this meeting without first bringing it to the attention of either Shanahan, nor Allen. Snyder is said to have grown weary of watching other teams sign all the good players, and apparently has taken matters into his own hands. This bears watching.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Offensive linemen closer to 30 than 20 who come in to "win now", eat up the investment in the offensive line (leaving less money for depth), and hopefully not get injured.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

True, sween, but in previous years when O-line was a need we would have brought in Defensive linemen closer to 30 than 20 who come in to "win now", eat up the investment in the offensive line (leaving less money for depth), and hopefully not get injured

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Curz, that paragraph is music to my ears...I've waited a LONG time to hear someone say that about us with a straight face...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I would also like to hear about the pursuit of interior offensive linemen, where despite the signing of Rabach there's still significant area for concern...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


They signed a guard in the offseason, I forget his name but it is some hardcore German sounding name. He was with Shanny in Denver and recently got released by Minnesota.

They've also been talking to a center (Casey Weigmann?) who played with Shanny in Denver and is a UFA.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Sign these 2 tackles
go get dansby
and dunta robinson
call it a day.


antrel rolle would be nice too but the giants are about to sign him

Posted by: granby06

Dunta Robinson is garbage. Just as big a crybaby as Carlos (probably worse)... no INTs last year, turned down $10M, sat out offseason, had the 'shoe' incident...no thanks.

We won't sign him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"i was kinda surprised he only went for a 3 maybe a two and not a 2 straight up...did he fall off that much last year?"

Cromartie's cornerback metrics over the last two years have shown him to be the worst starting corner in the league. Dude has hands, but he's flat out awful in coverage. That's the reason AJ Smith dumped him faster than people can fathom.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like you are vehemently against just about everything the new FO is doing.. BTW, has your doctor recommended Xanax?


Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Whatever...

Before making a broad statement, try and naming another move that I was against that this team did.

I WAS one of the ones vouching for Shanahan when idiots kept talking that Denver sh*t.

I was one of the ones who liked the hiring of Allen.

If you're going to talk sh*t fuc_boy, at least know the players.

As for the xanax, I don't need it. You're mother is a very good teacher -- her brain game is off the meters, son...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Brown, based on the action so far, it looks like it may be true in-spite of the mixed feeling about Clifton.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Sign these 2 tackles
go get dansby
and dunta robinson
call it a day.


antrel rolle would be nice too but the giants are about to sign him

Posted by: granby06 | March 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Robinson will sign with the Falcons. I don't even think he's a target. And I think Dansby will sign with the Dolphins.

I like the signing of Pashos and Clifton if it happens. But the part that makes me nervous is that it better not mean it gets ignored in the draft. I can't help but think this will definitely mean QB with the #4 pick, and relying on older injury prone lineman is what got the team in trouble last season.


Posted by: dfbovey | March 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

You can never have enough competition at a position and it is going to force them (and Heyer) to work harder...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we do that last year with Jeremy Bridges and Big Mike Williams?

Oh yeah, we let the better of the two go and kept the lesser of the two.

I'm stil reeling with that one Vinny. But then you would have though Joe Buges would have known who to keep?

Either way I'm exicited at the prospect of two known Tackles comming into camp.

BTW, I wonder what this staff's thoughts on BMW is?

Do they like him? Is he losing more weight to lighten his feet?

Or is he mauling chesseburgers at CheeBurger CheeBurger?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Poll: How do you feel about Redskins' new approach to free agency?"

I feel they've stocked the free agent pool with many 30+ guys who are either done, or just about done. I likes this.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Offensive linemen closer to 30 than 20 who come in to "win now", eat up the investment in the offensive line (leaving less money for depth), and hopefully not get injured.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse


????

Am I living in bizarro world or did we not spend a whole year cursing the FO last season b/c they had no quality depth on the Oline??

We are bringing in guys that could be veteran starters or top-quality depth.

Last I checked we are sitting down with them and talking with them, I don't know, maybe I missed a post but I don't think we've handed Chad Clifton a 10-year contract with a $30mill signing bonus just yet.

Nothing that is happening here needs to eat up investment in the Oline b/c (1) we are in an uncapped season and (2) draft picks are cheaper (outside of the top 10) and not that expensive.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I like it. Sign lots of free agent linemen. Use your draft picks to stock up on young skill players like Bradford and Jahvid Best.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 5, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Or is he mauling chesseburgers at CheeBurger CheeBurger?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2010 11:11 AM |

Devo,

That sounds good I might have to take the kids there tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

TWO OT's veterans, high-priced, lots of miles. Let's see what type of contract we're talkin' here. Long-term, high $$$$ deals, fa' gid' da' boud' 'dit.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

They have no real depth and barely have starters on the OL. Signing someone, anyone and drafting OL. They need to draft O-tackles in the draft they may end up getting converted to guard, another need. They also need a backup center if Edwin Williams isn't in the plan. Have to assume that Mike Williams may be at least at guard. In the end they probably need 3-5 guys in training camp.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I still would love to see us go get dansby. with him and fletcher in the middle we could be pretty good. are there any free safeties in the draft that would be any good?

Posted by: granby06 | March 5, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

New visitors to RI should inspire better behavior, not worse.

If there's more traffic here today, maybe it might be more welcoming to try and raise the level of discourse and strive for some more intelligent conversation.

Less fake news and not calling people an "idiot" would be a good start.

I'm optimistic, but I'm also starting to recall why I left this place last year.

Posted by: McMetal | March 5, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Devo,

That sounds good I might have to take the kids there tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

It sure does! Maybe BMW will be there and I can get the inside scoop at Redskins park

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

can we stop the stupid posts about Cliftons age... Beggars cannot be choosers and at ths moment we define the word beggar... WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS... CLifton is the best blindside LT on the market, for better or for worse, and as long as we draft his future replacement this year we will be fine. And to anyone commenting on my name, its cause you people are F*&^ING stupid. Period. I used to comment here all the time and then got so frustrated at the cr$$ that came through here that i stopped... Also the team became an embarassment and I was ashamed to show my face, as I have been a huge skins appologist for years... but if things dont change soon im out... this team has been a train wreck for 10 years and Im tired of it... too many hours of my life wasted following Danny Boy and believing we can sign our way to a super bowl... I knew it wouldn't work but I continually prayed it would... stupid... these signings make sense, they are pratical, unlike signing an DT for 100 million or an IN THE BOX safety who cannot cover from the Rams... or a cant miss WR form San Fran whose only claim to fame was a sick catch that was called back for holding...

This team is awful right now. We have minimal talent at all the important positions... QB, OLINE, (Dline isn't really awful but for a 3-4 front it certainly isn't good)... you cannot win football games with that recipe... sorry wont work.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

who is posting fake news, other than that fabricated story about a trade for sproles....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

think I just had my hand slapped...


We may not be done w/the old guys:

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According to a report by Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean, Mawae is in talks with the Redskins and Denver Broncos. The Tennessee Titans would like the 16-year veteran to return as a backup, but Mawae is seeking a starting job.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Seriously can someone please remind me who our starting LT is? Stephon Heyer, Okung? No we dont have a LT yet we barely have a RT. Bring in as many O-lineman as you can. i could care less how close to 30 they are. WE have absolutely nothing on our offensive line currently. Bring in both of these guys then two more just like them then draft some more, whether its with your first pick or not. Anyone saying this is a bad idea cause we may not get Okung with our #4 is putting to much stock in kid thats never played in the league(not to mention i bet most people clamoring for him have never seen him play). Not saying Okung specifically would be bad he may be great but but we need More O-line please, anyway we can get it.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 5, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The power of suggestion.
Front Office. Dansby appears to be a great fit and he wants to be here.
No complaints from me if you spend on him.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 5, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that we are focused on OTs. Hopefully we can sign these guys and draft an LT (Okung) with the 4th pick and he can start at RT for a year to get some experience before he starts protecting the blindside.

I'm a little nervous about the defense with the switch to a 3-4. We need personnel and I think Dansby would be a great addition and factor into the long term plan. I would like to see us sign a free safety (not Sharper) so we can move Landry back to his natural position. Hopefully they will get one of these done.

The Skins do not need to sign Peppers or Dunta Robinson because they are not worth the money. Peppers is asking for too much while on the wrong side of 30 and Robinson is not as good as the money he is looking for but since its uncapped he has no competition.

Posted by: dcsports12 | March 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Stu27, we don't have a starting LT yet, and there are no depth charts published at this point in the offseason.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

People who are cut and pasting dcsween's post need to read the whole thing, then make your point.

Since many of you think he's opposed to the signing; you have none. Dude clearly said:

"Offensive linemen closer to 30 than 20 who come in to "win now", eat up the investment in the offensive line (leaving less money for depth), and hopefully not get injured."

"At least, that would have been my attitude when Vinny was here. My attitude now is that they are coming in for locker room leadership after yesterday's beheadings."


I know some you want to bang your fingers on the keyboard and explain to the world just how right you are, but at least read the ENTIRE piece you're taking aim at.

That last part sounded weird, but you get the point.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Van De Bosch, however you spell that just confirmed he is a Lion.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Can we stop calling for all these FA signings? isn't this what Danny Boy and Vinny would do year in and year out that NEVER WORKED.

There are no players out there (outside of DAnsby and some oline help) who we should really be targeting. This team is not going to be a good team next year. We have to realize that. I'd say if we got 8-8 it would be a massive testiment to Shanny cause this team is not talented. Signing Rolle and Dunta (who is a falcon but whatever) isn't going to solve that problem. We need to create our own talent, improve on what we have and continue to build via the draft and intelligent FA signings... like Dansby.

We, in our new 3-4 scheme, desperately need OLB's and even 1 other ILB... Mcintosh is not the answer and fletcher is not going to excel in a 3-4.. too small to be able to take on the lbs and make the same plays he does in a 4-3. We need all the lbs we can get as that is wht a 3-4 is based on... solid lbs and a nasty NT... witout that a 3-4 gets dominated.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Is there a radio button for "Love it more than batman superman and spiderman combined!"?

Although, I'll refrain from getting ahead of myself and wait and see if Bruce can be this judicious all off-season.

Posted by: TheGreat8 | March 5, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 5th, 2010 11:10
"Peppers to DC"
In what's being called a stunning move, Julius Peppers, and his agent abruptly left their meeting with the Chicago Bears in the middle of negotiations, hopped on a plane and flew directly to Washington DC, even though they had no meeting scheduled with the Redskins, according to Mike Shanahan, as well as Bruce Allen. Rumors continue to swirl that Dan Snyder arranged this meeting without first bringing it to the attention of either Shanahan, nor Allen. Snyder is said to have grown weary of watching other teams sign all the good players, and apparently has taken matters into his own hands. This bears watching.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 5, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

hmmmmmm.....

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 5, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Bean reeled one in unless JohnD is playing along.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I am in the same boat thinking we need LBs just as much as we need OL. Surprised we have not heard any rumblings about that or any other players they are looking.

Hard to gauge how I feel about this FA period, you get so used to Danny being a retard and you have to admit it is kind of fun to watch him bring in all these big names, well some of them.

I wonder if Danny is geeking out in his office like a coke head, since he isnt flying all over the country wooing Free Agents.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Panthers have released Jake Delhomme.

They should be blowing up the phones making an offer for Jason Campbell, right?

They could use a great talented veteran QB with lots of potential that only needs a decent situation to thrive in, right?

I imagine that we're not hearing anything about negoatiations with Clifton right now b/c Shallen is busy fielding offers from the Panthers for JC17...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You can never have enough competition at a position and it is going to force them (and Heyer) to work harder...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Didn't we do that last year with Jeremy Bridges and Big Mike Williams?

Oh yeah, we let the better of the two go and kept the lesser of the two.

I'm stil reeling with that one Vinny. But then you would have though Joe Buges would have known who to keep?

Either way I'm exicited at the prospect of two known Tackles comming into camp.

BTW, I wonder what this staff's thoughts on BMW is?

Do they like him? Is he losing more weight to lighten his feet?

Or is he mauling chesseburgers at CheeBurger CheeBurger?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 5, 2010 11:11 AM
------------------------------------------Can't be big on BMW if they let him get on the market before free agency began. Note how they got the Rabach deal done just in the nick of time, but they got it done.

As far as Bridges and BMW last year, I don't understand it. I'm betting Shanny and Allen won't make a mistake like that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love this approach. Stay patient, sign lineman and stay away from big names. Welcome Bruce Allen!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 5, 2010 11:00 AM

Chad Clifton and Tony Pashos are big names (its just that in Washington, no one really knows much about big names on the offensive line). Though I agree that its very encouraging that they read the handwriting on the wall (in permanent fluorescent market) about the screaming need to re-build the offensive line. Hopefully, the build out also anticipates replacement of these two (or one if they can only get one) in a couple few years.

p1funk, you could be living in bizarro world or in Hyattsville ... is this a trick question? If you read my entire smart a$$ response to etrod's smart a$$ question, the point I was making was then vs. now. I suspect that both of these guys (Clifton and Pashos) are being considered for the same position, LT, to replace Samuels. Hopefully, they get both (or if not, just hang on to Levi Jones) and still get their highest rated LT of the future in the draft ... rather than their highest rated QB of the future ... or the free safety of the future. The still need to replace Sean Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Think it was McMetal that got hooked.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Stu27, we don't have a starting LT yet, and there are no depth charts published at this point in the offseason.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Would you actually want to see a depth chart of this teams O-line. That might ruin my weekend.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 5, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

DON’T YOU PEOPLE GET IT??!

YOU NEED TO STOP SAYING THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THING!!!!

PERIOD!

I drive a DODGE STRATUS!

BIG TIME STUFF!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 5, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Just nibbling and consulting with the other fish...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 5, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

That last part sounded weird, but you get the point.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:23 AM

Red, thanks for getting my back (and getting my post). Also, that part sounded fine ... but the part about the finger bang sounded downright thrilling.

"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

According to a report by Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean, Mawae is in talks with the Redskins and Denver Broncos. The Tennessee Titans would like the 16-year veteran to return as a backup, but Mawae is seeking a starting job.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 5, 2010 11:20 AM

Why would they sign Mawae right after signing Rabach?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, you could be living in bizarro world or in Hyattsville ... is this a trick question? If you read my entire smart a$$ response to etrod's smart a$$ question, the point I was making was then vs. now. I suspect that both of these guys (Clifton and Pashos) are being considered for the same position, LT, to replace Samuels. Hopefully, they get both (or if not, just hang on to Levi Jones) and still get their highest rated LT of the future in the draft ... rather than their highest rated QB of the future ... or the free safety of the future. The still need to replace Sean Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


I crashed in Hyattsville for a semester when I was at UMaryland.

I'd rather live in bizzarro world.

I was going off your cut and paste quote from someone else - my bad. I agree with your full sentiments.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

can we stop the stupid posts about Cliftons age... Beggars cannot be choosers and at ths moment we define the word beggar... WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1


When you were explaining your name, you must've been talking about your own stupid dumbass.

Look, I don't know if you didn't know this but this is fu_king MARCH. You are aware they start the regular season in SEPTEMBER, right? They still have the draft and the second peroid of FA signings.
Clifton is not the ONLY option. So because it's a position of need they're supposed to disregard the person's age? Do you know how fuc_ing dumb you sound?

I can't believe some of you are this fuc_ing dense!!!

And just because it's a position of need doesn't mean they have to sign a 34 year old to the money he's asking for.

Y'all are treating these offensive linemen like crack in 1986... damn get off the "pick up 20 offensive linemen sh*t". Fu_k, man....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Would you actually want to see a depth chart of this teams O-line. That might ruin my weekend.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 5, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Trust me, it will ruin your weekend. I looked at it last week and it's even worse than I thought.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Panthers have released Jake Delhomme.

They should be blowing up the phones making an offer for Jason Campbell, right?

They could use a great talented veteran QB with lots of potential that only needs a decent situation to thrive in, right?

I imagine that we're not hearing anything about negoatiations with Clifton right now b/c Shallen is busy fielding offers from the Panthers for JC17...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:28 AM
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My sarcasm detector pegged the needle when it got to your post. I think the Panthers are going with their young QB who they wrapped up with a 1st and 3rd tender offer. Just too pacify your inner JC apologist, I hear there is some noise being made by the B.C. Lions about some interest in JC...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

This team is awful right now. We have minimal talent at all the important positions... QB, OLINE, (Dline isn't really awful but for a 3-4 front it certainly isn't good)... you cannot win football games with that recipe... sorry wont work.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 5, 2010 11:18 AM


Living up to your own handle, I see...

We are awful RIGHT NOW. But RIGHT NOW we're not playing any games. We have 6 months to build this roster, and two years mimimum before people expect to see anything meaningful from this team.

We're rebuilding. It's not gonna be pretty in 2010. The goal is to change the culture and stockpile the roster with young talent that will be here and playing effectively in 3-4 years when we expect to contend. Building the roster one year at a time is a Vinny thing...the kind of crap that doesn't work in the NFL.

So Chad Clifton looks good on paper TODAY. But come 2011 and 2012 when we expect to be making a move to the elite, chances are he'll either be a broken down shell of his former self or retired. We make moves for 2010 with an eye towards the future, that's what WINNING organizations do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, above you mentioned the previously picked up O lineman with the Germanic surname. I had to look it up, but that's this dude:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Kory_Lichtensteiger.jsp

"The Redskins announced Jan. 14 that they signed free agent offensive lineman Kory Lichtensteiger. Lichtensteiger spent part of the 2009 season with the Minnesota Vikings before being waived on Sept. 29. Prior to his stint with the Vikings, Lichtensteiger (6-3, 295) was selected by the Denver Broncos in the fourth round (108th overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft. He played in 16 games that season before being released on Sept. 4."

Look, in his picture he's still wearing Bronco colo(u)rs.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins sign both these players, that #4 pick is very much up for sale particularly if Bradford is off the board. They could also stay put pick the BPA and look later in the draft for Olmen who are talented but need a year or two because of playing experience or competition faced in college.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2010 11:02 AM

Agree 100%. Maybe Berry comes into play now if he's there. Still not crazy about another top 5 pick on a safety but he sounds like the real deal.

Posted by: skinswest | March 5, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the lions will do now, probably take Okung with their pick, I only hope that if Bradford is taken that the Skins dont take Clausen...

Trent Williams looked like a bad a$$ at the combine, but that would be pretty high for him. Maybe they will take a shot at Berry or D. Williams from UT for Nose Tackle.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Here's the blessing of last season...Every O-lineman we have on our roster got significant playing time last year, which means we have some depth.

Clifton and Pashos are starters...

We've still got...

Williams- played well at Guard
Levi Jones- filled in well at RT
Heyer- serviceable for a stretch of games
Williams- Played well at Center
Rabach- has a two or three years left

These guys aren't world beaters, but they've been through hell.


Where's the guaruntee that an O-lineman at #4 would be able to come in and wreak havoc?


Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Adam Shefter keeps talking about that if the Skins sign Clifton, then there O-line isn't as much of a priority and the team can look in different directions regarding the 4th pick (and overall draft strategy).

That is a terrible idea, just because we sign a legitimate LT option that has a few years left (not many since he's already 33), doesn't mean that our O-line is fixed. Hopefully, that is not what Allen and Shanahan are thinking.

Posted by: dcsports12 | March 5, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I only cut the portion of dcsween's post that was needed for a witty retort. The factual stuff is no fun.

I stand by my post.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

btw, the Clifton's midseason return to the Packers' line after injury resulted in a 90 degree difference in Rodgers' passing game after a 5 or 7 step drop. Rodgers' postured changed from horizontal to vertical. Inability to meet the Skins' offer would be a HUGE loss for the Packers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

this shouldn't be a surprise, for those of us that are season ticket holders we remember that season ticket renewal last year weren't due until after free agency started (signing of Haynesworth to spike renewals), this year the renewals were due before the start of free agency, a tell that the redskins weren't going after the big splash. i don't care about the offseason anymore, its all a show and not material to what happens on Sundays.

Posted by: originalwilliamjames | March 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Agree 100%. Maybe Berry comes into play now if he's there. Still not crazy about another top 5 pick on a safety but he sounds like the real deal.

Posted by: skinswest | March 5, 2010 11:35 AM


Dude, stop it...if the Skins take another safety in the top 10, I'm going to Redskins Park with pitchforks, torches, and machine guns. Worst case scenario, you take one of the DTs or--better yet--trade down. You DO NOT take a damn safety!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

If Bradford is gone, and no one wants to dance with us for the 4th pick...

You gotta take C.J. Spiller! He's your Darren Sproles. Spiller makes your special teams 100% better right away as well as your backfield. Spiller will not be there in the 2nd round.

Go get him!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

When you were explaining your name, you must've been talking about your own stupid dumbass.

Look, I don't know if you didn't know this but this is fu_king MARCH. You are aware they start the regular season in SEPTEMBER, right? They still have the draft and the second peroid of FA signings.
Clifton is not the ONLY option. So because it's a position of need they're supposed to disregard the person's age? Do you know how fuc_ing dumb you sound?

I can't believe some of you are this fuc_ing dense!!!

And just because it's a position of need doesn't mean they have to sign a 34 year old to the money he's asking for.

Y'all are treating these offensive linemen like crack in 1986... damn get off the "pick up 20 offensive linemen sh*t". Fu_k, man....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM |


HAHAHA that sh1t is funny...

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

brown, that's what I'm sayin', dude!

People think by signing and drafting these linemen = Championship contenders. They'll be the same ones all crying and hurt come mid-November (or sooner), when it's obvious they're not making the playoffs.

They're supposed to be in re-build mode, which is why signing 30 plus year olds doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse


we don't have Levi Jones. He's ufa.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

ricky, you and sween both mentioned Levi Jones... I'm with you guys on Levi, I thought he was solid last year, though I don't want to count on him as a starter or for a long stretch due to his oldness.

Going back, say, a year, who'd have thunk that going into this season the holdover starters of our O line would be Derrick Dockery and Casey Rabach?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I can see my plea has fallen on deaf ears.

Time to see how well the Post handles the "Report Abuse" function.

I know it seems like 5 or 6 of you run this place, but it really is a community. Please try to be respectful of others, and cognizant of the fact that there are people of all ages, races, nationality, etc reading these comments.

Just some basic respect for each other would be refreshing.

Posted by: McMetal | March 5, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

can we stop the stupid posts about ...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 5, 2010 11:18 AM

I agree with McMetal's post about kicking off another blogyear with a kinder, gentler tone, but your particular request is not something that could be accommodated up here. Stupid posting is sort of a liberty interest up here.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV,
I got to believe this parade of left tackles was orchestrated. They apparently didn't like Levi Jones as a left tackle and now are kicking the tires on a few other guys. No one said that Clifton was a lock. I understand the concerns about his age, but he comes from a similar offense. Pashos is only 29, which isn't too old in offensive lineman years and he may be a better option, but heck, take them both and let them compete in the preseason. I would feel much more comfortable going into the draft if the Redskins had someone at every position who could potentially start. Then, the BPA strategy becomes viable. You're not desperate to fill holes and can focus on a player that will make your team better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Everyone but RedDMV move on over to the new thread. Red, you're grounded.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 5, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

IF they choose not to go OL or that other QB, then I think Spiller would nice, a reach for him, but nice player. I really wouldnt mind a stud LB...I tend to agree that as good as Fletcher has been this switch to a different D might be the end for him, but he is also a really bright guy that is a worker.

I wonder if players like Berry, Haden, McClain will come into the picture without Okung and Bradford available, of course HUGE IF's.

still laughing at Reds response.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 5, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, and everyone else bashing me at this point...

Do you read my posts? Do you have any idea what I am saying? Clearly not. And again my name proves right... LOOK IM NOT SAYING CLIFTON or PASHOS is an answer long term. I am saying that we CANNOT go into the season with what we have, and that expecting us to find starters, for LT, RG and RT is ridiculous. Bringing in VERTERNS who can do it for NOW... is the only way were going to SURVIVE the year. Clifton is by no means going to save the franchise, or make us a winning team in 2010. But it will enable us to move the ball occasionally and not get embarassed week in and week out. I mean come on be intelligent and read my entire post. I know were going to suck.. I said its going to take 2 years... wow I said that in that post dumda$$ brown... wow you really are a waste of space. I rememeber you from back when i posted before... never an intelligent post.

Look, CLifton is better than any IN HOUSE option we have and while I completely agree we have to DRAFT OLINEMAN like its our Job.... at least 1 a year, preferably 2... but we cannot NOT sign some this year. Come on now please be somewhat intelligent and stop wasting my time Red and Brown...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 5, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Y'all are treating these offensive linemen like crack in 1986... damn get off the "pick up 20 offensive linemen sh*t". Fu_k, man....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

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The O line problem is big, but you are correct - the Skins have several months to address it, not just these few first days of free agency.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 5, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

People think by signing and drafting these linemen = Championship contenders. They'll be the same ones all crying and hurt come mid-November (or sooner), when it's obvious they're not making the playoffs.

They're supposed to be in re-build mode, which is why signing 30 plus year olds doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


I'm not thinking "championship" mode at all.

I'm thinking "rebuilding mode", but you need some veterans to help through the process.

Last year we saw what an Oline looked like when we were left to rely on alot of young players, and developmental projects. It was a DISASTER.

No rookie is going to be able "develop" on a line or in a situation that is as bad and dysfunctional as what we saw last season. The way you stabilize it is by bringing in some vets - we lost Randy Thomas, we lost Chris Samuels, we've not had a decent vet RT since Jon Jansen 4-5 years ago.

Vets like these are going to help make the difference between an actual rebuilding process with promise, and what we saw last year...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm off the "draft a safety in the first round" wagon.

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mh, for real dude. This guy posts with his little handle and what not because "its cause you people are F*&^ING stupid. Period." but then puts together that piece of work. I can appreciate arrogance, but it's not cool to try and act arrognat and you don't have a damn clue.


And he said: "Also the team became an embarrassment and I was ashamed to show my face, as I have been a huge skins apologist for years..." - peoplearestupid

Newsflash you still are, pas1. Why don't you sit down the burgundy flavored kool-aid, and remove the B&G gabbana shades and try and seeing things for how they are?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As for the xanax, I don't need it. You're mother is a very good teacher -- her brain game is off the meters, son...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Damn, slow down player.. I'm Not sure what the above statement even means.. sad that you have to resort to "mom" digs, what are you 10 yrs old?


Anyhow, even you have to admit that the signing of Clifton, even at 34, is better than our current LT who retired yesterday..

Are you sure your not a closet Eagles fan??


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

So Chad Clifton looks good on paper TODAY. But come 2011 and 2012 when we expect to be making a move to the elite, chances are he'll either be a broken down shell of his former self or retired.
Posted by: brownwood26

Or he will still be a serviceable starter or be a valuable backup/mentor to the Olinemen we draft this year and in 2011 and 2012. Why exactly does anyone automatically think a draft pick will work out better than a FA? I don't think there is a law against trying to put the best team on the field today and working to be competitive while at the same time building for tomorrow. We have signed old FAs that contributed and old FAs that haven't. We have done much the same with young FAs. We have drafted guys that worked and guys that didn't. We signed London Fletcher at or around 30. Should we not have done that? You try and get the best players that fit in budget for this year and next.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 5, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

B&G gabbana shades and try and seeing things for how they are?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse


(raising my hand) Um.. Red, what are B&G gabanna shades?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 5, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Love it, but where the h#@$ isn't Portis on that list of cuts?????? he is a pre-madonna that now has a pre-disposition for minor injuries and concussions, besides not wanting to practice.

Posted by: csquare67 | March 5, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

All part of the master plan, fellas!

We stock up on O-Line in FA, it looks to everyone like we're going QB @ No. 4.

Result? Plenty of offers to trade down for picks. If the offers aren't satisfactory, they pick whoever they want; Okung, Clausen, Bradford, Williams, McCoy, Suh.

Good times ahead!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | March 5, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I like the patience we are showing this year! If the wholes on the oline get filled in FA where do we go at number 4? Does anyone else like haynesworth as an end and getting him a familiar partner at nose in williams?

Posted by: Muck023 | March 5, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

can see my plea has fallen on deaf ears.

Time to see how well the Post handles the "Report Abuse" function.

I know it seems like 5 or 6 of you run this place, but it really is a community. Please try to be respectful of others, and cognizant of the fact that there are people of all ages, races, nationality, etc reading these comments.

Just some basic respect for each other would be refreshing.

Posted by: McMetal | March 5, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You must be a Democrat.

Posted by: diamond_jim | March 5, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse


Build through the draft! Please!

Posted by: hessone | March 6, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

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