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Redskins sign punter Josh Bidwell

The Redskins have signed a punter.

Josh Bidwell, who played for both bays -- Tampa and Green -- turned 34 10 days ago and was a Pro Bowler in 2005, when he averaged 45.6 yards per punt with a 37.5 net average with the Bucs. He missed all of last season with Tampa Bay because of a hip injury.

The best part of the Bidwell story, though, concerns his successful battle with cancer. After being drafted out of the University of Oregon by Green Bay (fourth round, 133rd pick), he missed his rookie season because of testicular cancer. He beat the disease and has written a book, in addition to setting up a foundation. Stephen F. Holder of the St. Petersburg Times has the great story.

No scheduling news today

If you were expecting the NFL to announce the opening weekend games today at the owners' meetings, as it usually does, you'll be disappointed. No news today on that front. The league typically announces the regular season schedule in mid-April; no set date for that yet, either.

It's Arrington vs. Albert, Round 1

Like another Redskin, LaVar Arrington is concerned with pockets. He said he doesn't mean to get into Albert Haynesworth's pocket about offseason workouts, then proceeds to do just that. Dan Steinberg has the details at D.C. Sports Bog. Here's a snippet:

"This is a red flag, Albert. This is a red flag. Be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. I understand, listen, I ain't trying to be in your pocket. I'll be the last one to try to be in your pocket. But if you're saying you want to work out and do this heavy stuff with your guy, bring him here. Bring him here."

In the Zone today

In the Redskins Tailgate Zone, Matt "Bobby" McFarland asks whether you're concerned about the age of the players the Redskins have signed.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 23, 2010; 9:36 AM ET
Categories:  Free agency  
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Comments

First?

Posted by: educk | March 23, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Shut the F up Lavar. Handle your own business.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it... why didn't they resign Hunter? We finally shored up an unstable position. Or is this just competition?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

just saw an article on steelers compensatory draft picks. did the skins get any?

Posted by: follybeach | March 23, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't we keep Hunter?

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Shannahan knows this so this year he will focus on the OL and see how JC does with a good line and coaching staff.


Posted by: boomer5 | March 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


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Expect more play-action bootlegs and us taking advantage of JC17 scrambling ability.

I estimate 40-50% of passes, Campbell will operate outside of the pocket.

I just want to win

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The Skins received 0 comp picks; I learned that here, albeit not from a WaPo employee.

Posted by: educk | March 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

nevermind found the list, of course we didnt. AH

Posted by: follybeach | March 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I feel that there should be some mention of Hunter the Punter, possibly the teams MVP last year in this post...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I would say Bidwell is our punter... Hunter probably wants a raise from last year for all those TD's... haha... and this was the cheaper option.

Regarding previous posting by J Reid... This is all a smokescreen... If the Redskins have the opportunity to go LT with Okung at #1 & they go QB at #2... they aren't taking Tebow. I think you have to put Colt McCoy ahead of Tebow & he could be there at #37.

Either way, I think if the Skins get Okung because Detroit falls in love with Suh after his visit last week, the Skins did their job with #4 pick in draft. If Okung is off the board, we are going to have to beg to move back & get more picks.

Posted by: tony325 | March 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Despite his great nickname, Hunter the Punter ranked 27th out of 33 punters that played in at least 8 games last year.

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Shannahan knows this so this year he will focus on the OL and see how JC does with a good line and coaching staff.

Posted by: boomer5 | March 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse


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Expect more play-action bootlegs and us taking advantage of JC17 scrambling ability

I estimate 40-50% of passes, Campbell will operate outside of QB pocket

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

34 year old punter with a hip problem instead of Hunter Smith.

Hmmmmmmmmm......

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Despite his great nickname, Hunter the Punter ranked 27th out of 33 punters that played at least 8 games, according to PFF.

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 23, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Albert cannot afford to not be in shape again this year. He has indicated that the Redskin staff was partly the blame for the lack of his poor conditioning last year.

There has to be some truth in that considering that the Redskins haven't been in football shape in years from a team perspective.

Albert has decided to do it on his own based upon last years staff. He did not want to wait and be caught flat footed on his back and stomach sprawled across the field and on the sidelines.

That had to be a terribly embarassing year for him.

Lavar dosen't know whether Albert is doing the right thing or not, but I don't think that Albert is anybody's fool.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 23, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Albert cannot afford to not be in shape again this year. He has indicated that the Redskin staff was partly the blame for the lack of his poor conditioning last year.

There has to be some truth in that considering that the Redskins haven't been in football shape in years from a team perspective.

Albert has decided to do it on his own based upon last years staff. He did not want to wait and be caught flat footed on his back and stomach sprawled across the field and on the sidelines.

That had to be a terribly embarassing year for him.

Lavar dosen't know whether Albert is doing the right thing or not, but I don't think that Albert is anybody's fool.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 23, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Oops!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hunter was a better QB then a punter last year. Bidwell is a solid vet, if he's healthy he's fine. We don't need a pro bowl punter just a reliable one, not Frost and/or rookies. Bidwell is certainly that. What fan base other than us freaks out about who the punter is?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 23, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Can all the Colt McCoy people please tell me what he has/does that would make him an attractive pick to us on any level?

What is he going to bring to the table that someone like Colt Brennan cannot?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

More accurate passer. Played and had success against tougher competition. Better work ethic.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I've not compared the college stats, but if you tell me MCoy is mroe accurate, fine.

As far as having success against better competition, that is a double-edged sword. McCoy not only played against better competition, but he played WITH much better players. You could turn the argument around and say that Brennan had more success (statistically) playing with less talent around him.

Better work ethic? Not sure how you actually measure that...I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

LaVar is one my favorite Skins, but the dude just needs to shut his pie-hole sometimes.

How is AH being part of the problem?

Was Fletcher part of the problem when he worked out on his own last year?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Oops for me, too. Thought the first one didnt take.

Posted by: alanb1231 | March 23, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I think the Lions are giving everyone the misdirection play here...they'll take Suh #2 and we'll get Okung at #4.

Posted by: brownwood26
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Why? Are they afraid someone will trade into the 1st overall for Suh? I suppose it's not impossible, but that's the only reason in the world they'd have for playing games here, unless they just feel like playing games. I think they haven't decided and are seriously considering Okung. I hope you're right and they go the other way.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I knew it then, so when Shanahan says basically what you point out about the offense, I am not in the least surprised.

Post the link though if you have it, I would like to read it as well.
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Sorry, I don't have the link (someone here probably does), but I believe it was part of an interview with Devin Thomas. DT said Shanahan made those comments, so it wasn't a direct quote by the coach. Not to say it isn't true, but it's hearsay.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

other than Shipley, McCoy didn't have any offensive players that were far superior to what Brennan had out in Hawaii.

The work ethic comment comes from some stuff I've read and the fact that Colt Brennan has regressed.

McCoy also doesn't have some of the off the field issues that Brennan did.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"I ain't trying to be in your pocket. I'll be the last one to try to be in your pocket."

What language is Lavar using? Hoodglish? Does anyone speak English anymore?

Posted by: hock1 | March 23, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I think the Lions are giving everyone the misdirection play here...they'll take Suh #2 and we'll get Okung at #4.

Posted by: brownwood26
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Who is out there saying with confidence that the Lions will take Okung at #2?

I don't see it at all. The coach loves Bauckus, they've given him alot of $$, and their defense is absolutely positively atrocious.

Why wouldn't they go after a supposed can't-miss NFL-ready impact DTackle like Suh?

If this is a deep draft for tackles, they could always grab one in a later round.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

You know, I used to sort of f with Lavar. I thought he was a dude who just caught a few bad breaks. But now???

F Lavar Arrington. Classic example of a dude who KNOWS he's only slightly relevant around here, and uses that to promote drama. Clearly the case of a bitter has been who can't keep his emotions in check when discussing the Redskins.

Lavar, STFU. Your 15 minutes have come and gone.

Congrats, Lavar. Maybe you, B-Mitch, and Rock can form up and be the 'DC Three' and fight the injustice known as Danny and the 'Skins.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If this is a deep draft for tackles, they could always grab one in a later round.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

By "tackles" I meant "offensive tackles".

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

How can it be anyone else's fault except the player if they are not in shape? Get on the treadmill, bike, whatever and work out. He's only getting paid 12 mill a year to do so.

F Colt McCoy. The guy left the national championship for essentially getting a stinger. I don't want Tebow either but would take him over McCoy.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

bring back hunter the punter!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I wish Lavar would STFU, why couldn't he keep his butt at his house and learn the defense scheme/playbook while he was here? Get somebody from Sylvian learning Center and bring them to your house for tutoring. Bring them to your house, bring them to your house!

On another side note, I don't think its a bad thing for AH to be away from Redskin park. I don't want his attitude competing with the breath of fresh of air that's spreading around Redskins park.

Posted by: clark202 | March 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Someone should ask LaVar whether he was being part of the "problem" or part of the "solution" when he fought with his coaches and got benched because he wouldn't stand in the right spot on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Who is out there saying with confidence that the Lions will take Okung at #2?

Posted by: p1funk
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That's a good point, too. The people saying that are probably just those wanting to F with Skins fans.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Lavar rips Albert Not My Money's Worth a new one.

Check out Steinberg's bog.

Couldn't agree more!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 23, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Talk shows are merely for negative material" - Chad Ocho Cinco

I can think of a few on RI who eat LaVar's BS with a shovel.

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

F Colt McCoy. The guy left the national championship for essentially getting a stinger. I don't want Tebow either but would take him over McCoy.

Posted by: ToddStinkston
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Have you ever had a stinger? Have you ever played QB with a stinger in your throwing arm?

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Yeah basically.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Still wondering if that's what Matt Turk's long-snapper brother Dan may have died from? Lance Armstrong's disease.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I estimate 40-50% of passes, Campbell will operate outside of QB pocket

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse
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A 3 step drop was out of the pocket last year, so that would actually be a REDUCTION.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Lavar who?

Oh, the guy who underachieved for 5 years here (and his whole career), and now does nothing but cause drama like a fem who got dumped and can't let it go?

Irrelevant.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

red, haha, yeah, at this point, it just comes across as bitter...Lavar needs to move on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, Lavar. Maybe you, B-Mitch, and Rock can form up and be the 'DC Three' and fight the injustice known as Danny and the 'Skins.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

1st half of the show Clinton Portis bashing

2nd half of the show preaching about football and pretending to be the only 3 to ever play the game the 'right' way.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

My point isn't even about the stinger. It's that he is little and fragile and won't last. The hit he took wasn't even that violent. Phillip Rivers played a game on a torn ACL. I'd tather keep Campbell. He got abused constantly but stuck in there.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why? Are they afraid someone will trade into the 1st overall for Suh? I suppose it's not impossible, but that's the only reason in the world they'd have for playing games here, unless they just feel like playing games. I think they haven't decided and are seriously considering Okung. I hope you're right and they go the other way.


Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:29 AM


To be honest, it's more wishful thinking than anything.

But they have a defensive coach who needs help in the interior of his D-line. Stands to reason, Suh is the pick if the Rams take Bradford.

On the subject of punter, I don't get why you let one of the best performers from the 2009 season go (Hunter Smith) and bring in a guy who is just as old and is coming off an injury. Beating cancer is a good story and all, but that should be a further red flag from the organization's standpoint. I guess we'll what happens...

And count me in group, "Used to Love Lavar but Now Just Want Him to STFU".

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Does Lavars past history really matter in all this? He's right about Big Al. And sure, he's bitter, a drama queen, overrated as a player. But he's still right about Big Al.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

1st half of the show Clinton Portis bashing

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 10:46 AM


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That irks me about the show.

Lavar wasn't even half the player Clinton Portis is!

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Shannahan likes competition. Campbell will win. No matter who he drafts. Doubtless, he'll like that.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Ok. I'm not a Colt fan (Roll Tide), but people should give him a break about the National Championships game. I had a stinger in high school, and it's scary as sh!t. Basically your arm goes dead--it just hangs there. And it doesn't take a brutal hit to get one, you just have to get hit in the right spot. I kept playing, but that was because I was a scrub linebacker and was afraid that if I went out the coaches would never let me play again. It was pretty funny watching myself on film later--I was running around and trying to tackle people and my arm was just sort of flopping around next to me. There's no way I could have thrown a pass.

If you say he's injury-prone, that's one thing. But if you mean he lacks toughness because he couldn't play QB with a stinger, I'd have to say that's not right.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

My point isn't even about the stinger. It's that he is little and fragile and won't last. The hit he took wasn't even that violent. Phillip Rivers played a game on a torn ACL. I'd tather keep Campbell. He got abused constantly but stuck in there.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If you can't throw, you can't throw.

Toughing it out was never an option for McCoy. What was he going to do throw with his other arm?

Agree with you about the hit, didn't look out of the ordinary. Might have just fell awkwardly.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Lavar is just trying to keep up his reputation of being a bitter has-been with an ax to grind and an open microphone.

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

To be honest, it's more wishful thinking than anything.

But they have a defensive coach who needs help in the interior of his D-line. Stands to reason, Suh is the pick if the Rams take Bradford.
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Fair enough. I think it's a win-win. If Okung's there, draft him. If Suh's there (assuming TB takes McCoy), it seems more likely (though not a sure thing) someone may want to trade for the 4th pick.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Does Lavars past history really matter in all this? He's right about Big Al. And sure, he's bitter, a drama queen, overrated as a player. But he's still right about Big Al.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 10:51 AM

How is he right? Big Al isn't the only Skin's player not to train at the Park this year. Big Al has attended all the full squad meetings (not every player has done so btw). Big Al is using a training company that got him into pro bowl level condition. Lavar needs to STFU or get the facts straight.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Shut the F up Lavar. Handle your own business.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010

About Lavar's business -- he doesn't have one. It went bankrupt. So now he's an expert and is telling others how to handle their business. What a waste. He should go into politics and try to till the Marion Barry-void.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Lavar's a has been who got his job on the radio for one reason and one reason only, because he likes to bad mouth the Redskins. Thats the only reason they hired B-Mitch as well.


I don't care if AH gets in shape in hell, as long as he is in better shape then last year. Even in bad shape he was a beast on the field and was the only reason Orakpo and Carter had 11 sacks apiece.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, Lavar. Maybe you, B-Mitch, and Rock can form up and be the 'DC Three' and fight the injustice known as Danny and the 'Skins.
Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 10:34 AM |
We’ll probably never hear from Rock again, and Lavar seems pretty bitter for a guy who never lived up to it. I only know from what I read about and hear “up here” about his radio show, though. But I do get to watch B-mitch on Comcast before and after games, and he seems pretty level headed; certainly not as bad as Riggo. But again, if he has a radio show I don’t get to hear it…..I will say that Mitchell is the one guy who has a legit gripe against Snyder. Snyder cut him because he was playing fantasy owner and wanted Deion Sanders to return punts, plain and simple. Mitchell has the resume, stats, whatever, and was one of the great Skins in the past 30 years. He wanted to still be a Redskin and Snyder essentially fired him with the rest of the 150 people he fired within the org when he took over. Anyway, I just wouldn’t lump him in with the other sour grapes guys that are out there that didn’t ever amount to anything before getting a tv/radio gig. Just me, though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Does Lavars past history really matter in all this? He's right about Big Al. And sure, he's bitter, a drama queen, overrated as a player. But he's still right about Big Al.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 10:51 AM

How is he right? Big Al isn't the only Skin's player not to train at the Park this year. Big Al has attended all the full squad meetings (not every player has done so btw). Big Al is using a training company that got him into pro bowl level condition. Lavar needs to STFU or get the facts straight.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse


Agreed TWIS,

This picture of Big Al as a lazy overpaid selfish malcontent is largely a product of blogging haters who need some drama to make their hate relevant.

It's not his fault he got all that $$ - blame Cerrato.

He's not lazy, he's just not that well-conditioned for a big guy, and there's a difference. When he's on the field he is easily the most dominant force on D.

He's not a malcontent. He had that outburst last year about Blache, and I'm glad that he did. He bascially voclaized everything that we all saw and knew about the defense - strict, passive, not taking advantage of its playmakers. I like the fact that he stood up and said he wants to be used more. The dude got $41 mill guaranteed. It would be easy for him to lay back and not care what's going on with the D b/c he's content and got paid. Instead he wants to make a difference and do what he knows he can do for the team.

Is AH a team captain? no. Is he London Fletcher? No. But he's definitely not earned the rap that alot of haters like to hang on him.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

EITHER SUH or BERRY with the #4 pick. Forget OKUNG. He's gone to protect STAFFORD.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I've never listened to Lavar on the radio. From what I've seen here it seems like he spouts off too much about things he knows too little about.

But, man, I remember how excited I was the day the Skins drafted him and Chris Samuels. And also, I'll cut a little slack for the guy who did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BynBZNiE9EA

Best of all, it was perfectly legal. Good football.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

That injury to HUNTER the punter last season must have been pretty serious.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Mayor Reid,

Any news on the NFL owners meeting?

How many owners are for/against new OT rules?

The league is set to vote Wednesday upon a change to its overtime format for the postseason.

The new system would guarantee one possession to the club that loses the overtime coin toss provided it doesn’t surrender a touchdown on the first series.

If the teams remain tied after one possession apiece, the game would continue under a “sudden death” format until there is a score.

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Lavar wasn't much of a team player, I recall his best sack total year under Marvin Lewis and he still complained about having his hand on the ground. By the way that years performance has already been surpassed this year by a rookie.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 23, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Vicc that's actual NFL news...he'd have no interest in that, unless of course DHall or London Fletcher have something to say about it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just read this news of punter Josh Bidwell being signed.
Don't know about you guys, but how can this be RI, post an article stating we just signed a punter and then conclude the article, not having mentioned our punter Hunter Smith?

Doesn't it seem logical the very thing that should be mentioned is why the Skins decided / determined to go in another direction?
Frustrating you know?
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem logical the very thing that should be mentioned is why the Skins decided / determined to go in another direction?
Frustrating you know?
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 23, 2010 11:22 AM

Have we "gone in a different direction?" Maybe you didn't get the memo? Hunter's a UFA who hasn't signed a contract. Maybe he'll sign now?

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Colt McCoy against better competition? He played in the Big 12. They don't play defense in the Big 12.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

* Book it is a registered trademark of 4thFloor, inc. All rights reserved, such as.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 23, 2010 10:05 AM

ACTUALLY....It was 1st introduced by chRIS laRRy....but I took it and abused it.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It's not his fault he got all that $$ - blame Cerrato.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse
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Yeah, poor Al.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem logical the very thing that should be mentioned is why the Skins decided / determined to go in another direction?
Frustrating you know?
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 23, 2010 11:22 AM |

JReid has know idea why they did what they did, he wont know until someone else reports it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

2009 Skins sacks- 40
2008 Skins sacks- 24

2009 Tenn sacks- 32
2008 Tenn sacks- 44

Haynesworth (directly or indirectly) in one year, affected 28 sacks for 2 teams.

A blind man could tell we are better with him, and Tenn. is worse without him. PERIOD.

Posted by: capitolteacher | March 23, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You're right brownwood26; I'm only a tad curious to know how Snyder votes.

I'd like to hear more player opinions on the issue too.

Posted by: Vicc | March 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

So if Bradford is off the board and the Redskins pass on Clausen, perhaps they would draft someone such as Russell Okung from Oklahoma State and finally begin the process of overhauling the line, which is long overdue.

By JReid
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Someone needs to seriously email JReid my official Mock Draft (3.0) before he keeps touting a player that won't be there @ #4.

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller


Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

My nephew had tesitcular cancer and lost a nut over it. I wonder if only having one nut might be an advantage for a punter.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith averaged 41.3 yards per punt last year. That was 28th in the league for punters who had more than 40 kicks. What is the mystery why they signed another punter?

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

We certainly are in an envious position at number 4. We could draft any number of players and it would make a big impact to the roster. Even if the player we want at number 4 is gone we can select a number of other players like OT, QB, RB, Safety, RB, DL. For a change we are in a win/win position with the #4 pick regardless of who goes ahead of us.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 23, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

What a team would have to give up to trade into the top 5 is only part of the equation. You've also got to sign them and pay them commensurate with their draft position, which a lot of teams don't want to do. Moreover, teams know that the "bust rate" for D-tackles at the top of round one is about as high as it is for QBs. Again, not saying that a trade won't happen, just that it's unlikely.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It's not his fault he got all that $$ - blame Cerrato.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse
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Yeah, poor Al.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse


We've all got a burden to bear, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

FOR ALL THE JIMMY CLAUSEN HATERS: http://www.walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php.

Don't get me wrong, I want us to draft Okung, but if the dude falls to the middle of round 1, I'd be okay with moving up to get him. Before you criticize me, read the above (or at least the "in conclusion" part) and tell me that you feel the same. If you are, you're lying to yourself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem logical the very thing that should be mentioned is why the Skins decided / determined to go in another direction?
Frustrating you know?
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 23, 2010 11:22 AM


C'mon son...you know the RI slogan:

"Come for the jibba jabba, go elsewhere for the news."

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:32 AM

Was it wrong for me to laugh at that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What a team would have to give up to trade into the top 5 is only part of the equation. You've also got to sign them and pay them commensurate with their draft position, which a lot of teams don't want to do. Moreover, teams know that the "bust rate" for D-tackles at the top of round one is about as high as it is for QBs. Again, not saying that a trade won't happen, just that it's unlikely.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


For Ndamukong Suh? I completely disagree. By all accounts he's a surefire hit and a game changer. This isn't a Vernon Golston we're talking about. If Suh falls to us at #4 and all we ask for is a 3rd in return I have no problem believeing we will be taken up on that offer. He's widely considered the best player in this draft and there are no real questions about his ability.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Why? Are they afraid someone will trade into the 1st overall for Suh? I suppose it's not impossible, but that's the only reason in the world they'd have for playing games here, unless they just feel like playing games.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:29 AM

No, another reason is that they could be trying to entice a team that wants Okung to trade with THEM. Anyway, what I'm reading is that Lions' GM Martin Mayhew wants Okung, but HC Jim Schwartz wants Suh. If true, who wins out just might indicate just who's calling the shots over there.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to seriously email JReid my official Mock Draft (3.0) before he keeps touting a player that won't be there @ #4.

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:30 AM |
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According to the WalterFootball people, Tampa has Suh rated ahead of McCoy.

And Spiller is not going in the top 5. In fact, I'll fall off my dinosaur if he goes in the top 10. Also.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 23, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Lions' GM Martin Mayhew wants Okung, but HC Jim Schwartz wants Suh. If true, who wins out just might indicate just who's calling the shots over there.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:46 AM |

Or that they're running their own smoke screen hoping to trade down.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Jibba Jabba RULEZ
Over-analysis DRULEZ

I can see going w/ another punter, tho hip surgery is definitely a red flag. let's hope the new conditioning staff is prepped for him.

For Stompy, I am not going to jump on a H8 wagon for this. Sure, hip hip hoorah is nice. Team unity & all. But it all reminds me of this:

Where does a 300 lb gorilla eat his lunch?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

He's widely considered the best player in this draft and there are no real questions about his ability.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

So were Dan Wilkinson and Russell Maryland the years that they were drafted first overall. How did those guys turn out? Suh isn't even the top rated D-tackle this year on some teams' draft boards. from what I've read, some teams prefer McCoy because of his superior pass rushing ability.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to seriously email JReid my official Mock Draft (3.0) before he keeps touting a player that won't be there @ #4.

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:30 AM |

You call this a mock draft? This is me, mocking your mock draft. There is no mock draft that has a team undecided with its pick. Come back with a decision so we can book it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

According to the WalterFootball people, Tampa has Suh rated ahead of McCoy.

And Spiller is not going in the top 5. In fact, I'll fall off my dinosaur if he goes in the top 10. Also.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 23, 2010 11:49 AM


***Shaking My Fist and grabing your shirt like Homer Simpson****

"I said Boooook it" **Still Shaking**

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to seriously email JReid my official Mock Draft (3.0) before he keeps touting a player that won't be there @ #4.

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:30 AM |

You call this a mock draft? This is me, mocking your mock draft. There is no mock draft that has a team undecided with its pick. Come back with a decision so we can book it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:53 AM

No special dispensation for the skins to get two players with the 4th pick?

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Lions' GM Martin Mayhew wants Okung, but HC Jim Schwartz wants Suh. If true, who wins out just might indicate just who's calling the shots over there.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:46 AM |


MAyhew...easily

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Come back with a decision so we can book it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 11:53 AM


The only reason I put Suh up there is because of this HAynesworth situation. In my 2.0 Mock, SPiller was upthere by himself.

Spiller is who they want though.

But you guys can rest assure that it will be either of the 2 and that BRadford and Okung will not be options......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, your link crapped out.

Epic fail, just like Claussen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I want us to draft Okung, but if the dude falls to the middle of round 1, I'd be okay with moving up to get him. Before you criticize me, read the above (or at least the "in conclusion" part) and tell me that you feel the same. If you are, you're lying to yourself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I love Walterfootball.com but this one of the areas I completely disagree with them on. Clausen beat the crap out of a bunch of the worst passing defenses in the NCAA. He also had the help of an NFL coordinator to do it. I do not put any stock into his stats simply because they were mostly compiled against schools like Nevada, Navy, Washington, Washington State, and Stanford. Those were all completely awful defenses. When he played defenses that were simply bad and not terrible he did ok but not great. He played at about the same level as Darryl Clark against Michigan and Michigan State. If you look at raw numbers you will say Jimmy played better but you have to keep in mind that Darryl was taken out of the Michigan State game because it was over before the 4th quarter. I think Jimmy Clausen floats his deep ball and has too much movement on his out routes or any hard throws. To me I see Matt Leinart part II. I don't think he will be that great in the NFL. I look at him and see a guy that's never thrown for more than 300 yards against a ranked opponent and even Darryl Clark has done that.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 11:30 AM |

Your "mock" is a little off.. Tampa is going to take Berry.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Why? Are they afraid someone will trade into the 1st overall for Suh? I suppose it's not impossible, but that's the only reason in the world they'd have for playing games here, unless they just feel like playing games.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 10:29 AM

No, another reason is that they could be trying to entice a team that wants Okung to trade with THEM...

Posted by: rbpalmer
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Sure, that's possible, too, though that scenario seems a bit unlikely. Anyway, I was responding to a post speculating that they were pretending to like Okung while all the while intending to take Suh (not trade the pick). Of course, it's all conjecture at this point.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Here are some quotes from HogsHaven.com.: Another key stand out was Devin's line, "Shanahan won't allow guys to get away with what they did last year." He continued by saying that there were times he would say, "We're stronger and faster than these guys (our competition), why are they beating us?" Clearly there was lack of discipline and it showed the way players gave up. Dropped balls, the countless missed blocks...let's not revisit that.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

But you guys can rest assure that it will be either of the 2 and that BRadford and Okung will not be options......

Posted by: 4thFloor

Tempered by the fact the Mocks are always wrong. 'Skins aren't the only team that might trade back. Bradford's workout will effect things, everyone's playing it close to the vest and one other thing:

THE MOCKS ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

The 'skins best strategy is watch Tebow, Bradford, Clausen and every other QB out there workout. Float rumors about desire to grab a QB, then KEEP THE PHONE LINE OPEN.

Someone will say, Shanahan knows QBs, if he wants (insert name here) we should get him. Oh Bruce, can we trade you our (insert draft picks here) for your position?

Poun ce and REBUILD the Oline.

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

HOgsHaven #2:
Devin: "Coach [Shanahan] was like, 'You guys really ran this!?!?' I mean...our formations were so predictable...the way we lined up. They knew what we were running every time."

Hogs Haven: "Yea...and it's the 'execution'...right Zorn."

That line where Sherm Smith and Zorn for weeks said it was the execution not the play-calling that was the problem still irritates to me to no end. It's the coaches job to make the players execute and discipline them if they're not. Ugh, well, at least that 2 chapters of the story is over.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Your "mock" is a little off.. Tampa is going to take Berry.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Seems a little odd to take Berry when they have Tanard Jackson. I heard Berry could possibly play CB so maybe that's what they have in mind. Barber is gettting up in the years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That line where Sherm Smith and Zorn for weeks said it was the execution not the play-calling that was the problem still irritates to me to no end. It's the coaches job to make the players execute and discipline them if they're not. Ugh, well, at least that 2 chapters of the story is over.

Posted by: frediefritz

Reminds me of the old line:

REPORTER: "What do you think about your team's execution?"

COACH: I'd be in favor of it.

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Albert has decided to do it on his own based upon last years staff. He did not want to wait and be caught flat footed on his back and stomach sprawled across the field and on the sidelines.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 23, 2010 10:20 AM

...with a sprained buttcheek. (Or was it a cracked butt)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 23, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, your link crapped out.

Epic fail, just like Claussen.

Posted by: brownwood26
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And because of that bad link, I hate Jiminy Clausen more than ever!

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

RFA G Rob Sims. Low tender, not sure what round though. Thoughts anyone? We don't really have any late draft picks, so not sure it would work out.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If this is a deep draft for tackles, they could always grab one in a later round.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

By "tackles" I meant "offensive tackles".

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

p1, it's deep, because there are about 8 that could be good OT's. But they will all be gone by end of 2nd round. And only a few are projected to be left OT's. They will be gone in first rd. Any later picks will be "projects". We have enough projects, we need starters.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Tempered by the fact the Mocks are always wrong. 'Skins aren't the only team that might trade back. Bradford's workout will effect things, everyone's playing it close to the vest and one other thing:

THE MOCKS ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

bY cORKsTAR
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We will see.

Trades always mess it up. But if there not any trades, and if the Rams don't trade for JC17 or McNAbb, this is how the Mock Draft will go....

@skinsfanintampa - BErry ain't even the best safety in the draft.... http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817178e3&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hate to be Hunter the Punter. You KNOW if the competition is close, they will go with "the kid who beat Cancer."

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I personally think that if Suh is available when the Skins pick and Okung is gone, there's going to be a couple of teams willing to trade up to get him. But for some reason I don't see Mccoy going before Suh.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather keep Campbell. He got abused constantly but stuck in there.

Posted by: ToddStinkston
__________________________

Sounds like great wife selection criteria, but for a serious decision like Skins' QB? Uh no.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 23, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

FOR ALL THE JIMMY CLAUSEN HATERS: http://www.walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php.

Don't get me wrong, I want us to draft Okung, but if the dude falls to the middle of round 1, I'd be okay with moving up to get him. Before you criticize me, read the above (or at least the "in conclusion" part) and tell me that you feel the same. If you are, you're lying to yourself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


My bad, the period messed it up. Here's the proper link, hatahs:
http://www.walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 23, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, surely you realize that the litany of explanations (or, ahem, excuses) for Clausen posted in that piece on WalterFootball has an eerie parallel in the litany of "excusplanations" for Campbell posted up here over the years.

I know... I'm one of the people who used to pound on Campbell haters in exactly the same way that author is pounding on Clausen haters.

If the Redskins draft Jimmy Clausen, five years from now we'll look back on it as a massive mistake. Book it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

So were Dan Wilkinson and Russell Maryland the years that they were drafted first overall. How did those guys turn out? Suh isn't even the top rated D-tackle this year on some teams' draft boards. from what I've read, some teams prefer McCoy because of his superior pass rushing ability.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm still going to disagree. I think a third rounder to come up and get Suh will be an offer taken by somebody.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to note -- this 1st time I've seen this up here on the blog:

Bring back Cerrato :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 23, 2010

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The Nate Allen is worth our 2nd round pick...

...WE NEED MORE PICKS! Mainly 2nd and 3rd Rounders....

Trade Chris Cooley, Carter, and CR22! Pronto!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of the old line:

REPORTER: "What do you think about your team's execution?"

COACH: I'd be in favor of it.

Posted by: TheCork

I believe that was John McKay, coach of the Tampa Bay team, in its first years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

RFA G Rob Sims. Low tender, not sure what round though. Thoughts anyone? We don't really have any late draft picks, so not sure it would work out.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM

I'm been banging that drum for weeks now. His tender is a 4th round pick.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I personally think that if Suh is available when the Skins pick and Okung is gone, there's going to be a couple of teams willing to trade up to get him. But for some reason I don't see Mccoy going before Suh.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 12:19 PM

McCoy is the PlayMaker/PAss Russher. Suh is the run stuffer.

The playmaker will 99% of the time go 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

More againg damaged goods signed. When does the "better" part happen to this roster?

Posted by: BigTrees | March 23, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

RFA G Rob Sims. Low tender, not sure what round though. Thoughts anyone? We don't really have any late draft picks, so not sure it would work out.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM

I'm been banging that drum for weeks now. His tender is a 4th round pick.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It'd be nice to see him come in for an interview and all that stuff shanallahan have been doing.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Can RFAs even do that, or is there some other process for them?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817178e3&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Click on the video and hear about NAte Allen beginnning at the 1:57 mark.....

MAyock also has some guy going in the 20s who he says is better than Orakpo.....And the little bit of video I saw, I see why....I'll get his name soon....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

FOR ALL THE JIMMY CLAUSEN HATERS: http://www.walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php.

Don't get me wrong, I want us to draft Okung, but if the dude falls to the middle of round 1, I'd be okay with moving up to get him. Before you criticize me, read the above (or at least the "in conclusion" part) and tell me that you feel the same. If you are, you're lying to yourself.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 23, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


My bad, the period messed it up. Here's the proper link, hatahs:
http://www.walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenhate.php

Posted by: TDawg1
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The guy who wrote this article obviously HATES all of Clausen's ND teammates and all of the other QBs in this draft.

Myself, I don't hate Clausen, I just think we have way too many other problems to draft him high. I'd also hate "moving up to get him." Maybe moving down--maybe--but I wouldn't want to give up additional picks or talent for Clausen. If that means I hate him, so be it.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"He's not lazy, he's just not that well-conditioned for a big guy, and there's a difference."

I 100% disagree with this statement.

If you want to be the best player you can be then you do the things necessary to be that player.

Big Al is not, and he's being lazy. He's hoping his talent can suffice, but if you're gassing it from the sidelines then your not helping your team and you're not being the player that the Redskins thought you'd/he'd be.

Big Al got paid and now he's not trying as hard as he used to.

Big Al is lazy.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

McCoy is the PlayMaker/PAss Russher. Suh is the run stuffer.

The playmaker will 99% of the time go 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Really? I could of swore Suh made more plays in college, had more tackles and sacks, and even had an INT. He also proved to be stronger then Mccoy, who didn't exactly blow away the competition in the bench press. And Mccoy had better talent around him as well..

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

lol @ trees.

Not for a while... mebbe two seasons?

I dunno - I think we'll see a marked improvement in play alone, even with our current talent.

I think it will be quite eye-opening to see the difference a real coarch makes.

Remember, w/ Gibbs 2.0 we were all over the place in the coarching, too. And even w/ that mess we were able to be productive.

Now we're directed under one guy. So even w/o an evidenced improvement in talent, I don't think it's a stretch to think we'll be better. I think we could flirt w/ 10 wins.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Dik,
what's with the "r" in coach all the time?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Really? I could of swore Suh made more plays in college, had more tackles and sacks, and even had an INT. He also proved to be stronger then Mccoy, who didn't exactly blow away the competition in the bench press. And Mccoy had better talent around him as well..

Posted by: ga8085
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Same here. I do recall him as a run stuffer, but a lot of times he was stuffing runs two or three yards in the backfield.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm on your side of the Suh debate. NDonkeyKong Suh is gonna be chuckin interior linemen like barrels.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Really? I could of swore Suh made more plays in college, had more tackles and sacks, and even had an INT. He also proved to be stronger then Mccoy, who didn't exactly blow away the competition in the bench press. And Mccoy had better talent around him as well..

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 12:38 PM


2 points.

1. As Mayock broke down the tape, he rated McCoy #1 and Suh #2 for 1 reason. McCoy went out and made plays. Suh made plays when it came to him.

2. Who benched the most means nothing for defensive tackles. McCoy benched more than Warren Sapp and someother Star DT, whose name fails me at the moment. Sapp also mentioned that you only give burst and other technique and skills are more important.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

He's Scottish.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 23, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The more I look back at 2009, the more I'm convinced that a lot of guys didn't bring 100% -- long before the season even started. We all know about Portis and Albert, but I several guys brought 90% -- essentially taking advantage of Zorn (perhaps knowing their contracts were going to last longer than Zorn).

It'll be interesting to see if players bring 100%. Though I don't think we know that until we're well into the season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

bY cORKsTAR

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:15 PM |

Hey Mr. Floor. Here's a heads-up for you. While you and homo homie the corkerator are attending your nightly circle jerk your lady has scheduled an appointment with me to have her pipes unclogged. The rator's lady wanted to schedule an appointment also but I took one look at her and said "honey, you need to talk to Corps of Engineers."

Posted by: ElDrano | March 23, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Sounds more butch.

...dunno.

Plus I keep picturing Coach Z

http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Coach_Z

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d816fc69d/Scouting-report-McCoy-and-Suh

This is it right here....

McCoy - Creates Plays.

Suh - Not so much.

But they both are good....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Why all the talk about us NOT making a Super Bowl run this year? With a decent OL we coulda had 3 more wins last year. And with good coaching and play calling we coulda had 3 more wins. We have talent and a defense so with some OL help I think we can get 10 or 11 wins, even in our division.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | March 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

fyi, if this hasn't been posted before, worht reading: http://insidethecap.blogspot.com/2010/03/redskins-finally-leverage-uncapped-year.html

Posted by: beatkal | March 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

THE MOCKS ARE ALWAYS WRONG.
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Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 12:10 PM
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Guess who picked Orakpo to the Skins last year?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember how Sapp did in the combine but he was strong as hell, and if he benched less then Mccoy did, that's quite a surprise. I remember seeing him in the NFL lineman competition (during the Pro bowl I think) and him and John Randle were throwing up alot of weight on the incline bench. I think the bench press is more important for DT's then any other position. I don't understand the saying: "Suh made plays when they came to him." Dude had almost as many sacks his senior year as Mccoy had his entire career. So does that mean his sacks came to him??

Posted by: ga8085 | March 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

They ARE both good, and stats can lie, but man!

2009 Suh: 52 solo tackles, 33 assists, 20.5 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 10 passes broken up, 19 QB hurries.

2009 McCoy: 25 tackles, 9 assists, 15.5 tackles for loss, 6 sacks, 2 passes broken up, 12 QB hurries.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/463/83162/index.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/522/1002932/index.html

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:53 PM


Mayock's rating of McCoy over Suh is not only asinine its crazy. I think its a case of draft experts trying to be different from conventional opinion to act is if they know something that people who watch football every Saturday dont. If McCoy is better why did Suh win just about every postseason award short of the Heisman? If anyone saw the Big 12 championship game you would know why Suh should not fall below the second pick. Suh also had more sacks and more tackles so I dont know how McCoy rates better than him. Look at their 2009 stats and tell me who makes plays.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm w/ Vegas.

btw - awesmoe blog, beat!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth could buy his freedom in 2011

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 23, 2010 12:55 PM ET

The Redskins made some under-the-radar accounting moves two weeks ago that will help them take advantage of the uncapped year.

Former Redskins salary cap analyst J.I. Halsell, who now writes for FootballOutsiders, has an interesting piece detailing renegotiations for DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth.

The team converted hefty option bonuses for each player to signing bonuses. As a result, the Redskins total team salary for 2010 jumped from $141.6 million to $170 million. The Redskins are loading up the payroll now to save later if a salary cap returns.

Halsell explains the repercussions in great detail, but there is one very intriguing provision. Both Hayesworth and Hall could buy their freedom and become unrestricted free agents in 2011.

The cost is significant and almost surely prohibitive. Haynesworth could return $16.8 million of his $21 million 2010 signing bonus if he wanted to leave. Hall would have to pay back his $15 million bonus to become a free agent.

Haynesworth's best earning potential should remain in Washington, so we don't see this being a major story next offseason.

We do see G.M Bruce Allen's salary maneuvering benefiting the team in 2011.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Nebraska make it to the Championship game with no offense? That's because the Big 12 is in a down year.

We are talking about NFL potential. Not what you did in college against people not going to the next level.

SEC is all of it (right now).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I have listened to Lavar Arrington blast Clinton Portis and now Albert Haynesworth. I have to say he was 100% right both times. The thing that I'm really trying to figure out after going 4-12, and then bringing in a new GM, defensive coordinator, and head coach why would you want to leave. Every player on this roster should be wanting to be hear getting better and not because the head coach said that was what he expected. First he doesn't want to play NT, then he's not going to be here during the workout sessions when players like London Fletcher and Deangelo Hall are here putting in work with their teamates. Does Albert really think that he is bigger than the team. Instead of saying playing NT will be an adjustment for me, he comes out and says I dont want to play NT. Then leaves while his teamates are at the facility busting their butt. He better be lucky that we owe him and Portis so much damn money this year that we would have cut both of those I'm not in shape for the season LOSERS.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | March 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's rating of McCoy over Suh is not only asinine its crazy. I think its a case of draft experts trying to be different from conventional opinion to act is if they know something that people who watch football every Saturday dont. If McCoy is better why did Suh win just about every postseason award short of the Heisman? If anyone saw the Big 12 championship game you would know why Suh should not fall below the second pick. Suh also had more sacks and more tackles so I dont know how McCoy rates better than him. Look at their 2009 stats and tell me who makes plays.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer
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I can't watch the video 4th referenced right now, but if Mayock argues that Suh doesn't make plays, that seems absurd. Ask Colt McCoy if he makes plays. And, yes, stats can lie, but 12 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss--in at least some of those he had to be "making plays."

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

diesel, thanks for posting but NO WAY do I see either situation happening. I mean, thats just not sensible in any way...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The team converted hefty option bonuses for each player to signing bonuses. As a result, the Redskins total team salary for 2010 jumped from $141.6 million to $170 million. The Redskins are loading up the payroll now to save later if a salary cap returns.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 1:09 PM

Nice move by Bruce.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Nebraska make it to the Championship game with no offense? That's because the Big 12 is in a down year.

We are talking about NFL potential. Not what you did in college against people not going to the next level.

SEC is all of it (right now).....

Posted by: 4thFloor
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Hmmmm. I like part of the argument (Roll Tide!), but how do you evaluate NFL potential if it's "not what you did in college against people not going to the next level?" That's all we've got. I haven't seen either of these guys go against an NFL o-line. And, of course, McCoy played in the same down-year conference as Suh.

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 1:10 PM

You have proven my point. Suh carried his team which was offensively deficient to the Big 12 championship game. I dont know how the SEC made it into the argument but the SEC was also down this year. Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee weren't good this year. Bottom line Suh is head and shoulders better than McCoy. I think most in the league know it, im pretty sure the Lions know it and that is why Okung will be there unless Tampa surprises everyone.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. We just converted $35 million worth of option bonuses to signing bonuses. Then we offered buyout clauses to both guys totalling $30 million. Since those buyouts are in those players hands that makes all of that $30 million count against this year instead of being prorated for the next 3 years following 2010? So does this mean that we gave ourselves roughly $10 million dollars a year of extra cap space in the event that the salary cap does come back? I don't know if it would have been prorated 2010-2014 0r 2011-2014. Either way it really drops our cap figure. Good stuff.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I think most in the league know it, im pretty sure the Lions know it and that is why Okung will be there unless Tampa surprises everyone.
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I hope so. I think the worst-case scenario is:
1. Bradford
2. Okung/Suh
3. Suh/Okung

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

LaVar is one my favorite Skins...


Posted by: p1funk

Aside from scrambling Troy's brain pan, for God's sake why?

His career as a Redskins was best summed up when the Giants signed him, and a Redskin coach or player was asked if they were worried he'd spill the redskins defensive schemes to the G-man

The reply: "I don't think Lavar ever knew our defensive schemes."

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

fyi, if this hasn't been posted before, worht reading:

http://insidethecap.blogspot.com/2010/03/redskins-finally-leverage-uncapped-year.html

Posted by: beatkal | March 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Heard 980AM talking about this today. Very interesting in how Allen has taken advantage of an uncapped year.

Redoing the AH contract turns his roster bonus into a signing bonus. Plus, Allen gave him a void option at the end of this year, but AH would have to pay back 17 million of the 42 million they would have paid him. A net of 25 million for two year's of work, not nearly as bad as it could've been.

Essentially if AH opts out, there is no cap hit carrying over to next year. It seems likely, that a new CBA will bring a cap of some kind? BTW, he did the same thing with DeAngelo.

I'm diggin this new regime....not gonna be held hostage by bad contracts -- CP, AH, or DH.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

louloudekdek1 how do you know Fletcher is there. Fletcher hardly spends any of his voluntary time at Redskins Park. In fact I read last night where several Redskins are training away from the Park. How do you know AH is not motivated to be better than last. In fact his desire to work out elsewhere is to get in the best shape he's been in since he was a pro. This is why I think it was irresponsible for Lavar to just pop off, he uses his bully pulpit to influence fans who don't take the time to find out the other side of the story themselves

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

McCoy is the PlayMaker/PAss Russher. Suh is the run stuffer.

The playmaker will 99% of the time go 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

This link is opposite of what you described. If you watched the Texas Nebraska Big 10 Championship game, Suh was the playmaker.


The different defensive schemes they played in while in college highlighted different skill sets for each player, as Suh has been labeled the "read and react" player while McCoy is more of a run-stuffer. Now that they've gone head-to-head in the same workouts, multiple reports are giving the edge to Suh after Monday's results.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/10651/nfl-combine-suh-vs-mccoy


From the Big 10 game:
Texas was supposed to blast Nebraska and waltz into the BCS title game, but Suh refused to let the Longhorns ascend so easily. Facing double teams and getting held on almost every play, Suh singlehandedly dismantled one of the nation's best offenses. He finished with 12 tackles (seven for loss) and 4.5 sacks in what would have been an all-time upset had officials not used video replay to discover that one second remained on the clock after Texas quarterback Colt McCoy's final throw hit a stadium railing. The Longhorns kicked a field goal as time expired and won 13-12.


Suh = Playmaker

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I love how people give Charle Weiss credit for anything... seeing as he played on a team that openly cheated... his "creation" of Tom Brady was GREATLY aided by the hundred of hours of illegal tape they had on every teams defense... and their ability to know every teams defensive audibles game in and game out.

Just take 1 second to look at what he, Mangenius, and Romeo Crennel have done since leaving the Pats and their cheating ways... All left right before or right after spygate was discovered and exposed and every SINGLE ONE OF THEM has been a terrible, and I MEAN TERRIBLE coach in their new location... Mangenius was fired from the Jets, Crennel fired from the Browns, and Weiss fired from Notre Dame. All had record under .500, except Weiss who was a HUGE disappointment for the ND fans anyway. Coincidence? I think not.

My point here is that I do not give Charlie Weiss any credit for being a good coach. I actually hold the belief that he is a terrible coach who lived on the coattails of Bitc% Tit Bill and his cheating ways. I am not saying anything negative about Clausen personally...I do think Clausen could be a decent QB... I am just saying that anyone who talks about his college program, or training as a positive is not looking at the whole picture... I think it should be questioned at the least, just like the pats superbowl championships...

I love how no one EVER talks about this anymore as if it really is not that big of a deal... when in reality knowing exactly what the defense is going to be doing makes it just a little easier to run a successful offense, but I mean only a little bit right?... even JC17 could be successful in that sitation.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Shanny can arrange to have AH workout @ Parris Island.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | March 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Somehow, I can't see either of those guys writing a check to the 'Skins for that much jack.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins made some under-the-radar accounting moves two weeks ago that will help them take advantage of the uncapped year.

Former Redskins salary cap analyst J.I. Halsell, who now writes for FootballOutsiders, has an interesting piece detailing renegotiations for DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth.

The team converted hefty option bonuses for each player to signing bonuses. As a result, the Redskins total team salary for 2010 jumped from $141.6 million to $170 million. The Redskins are loading up the payroll now to save later if a salary cap returns.

Halsell explains the moves in great detail, but there is one very intriguing provision. Both Hayesworth and Hall could buy their freedom and become unrestricted free agents in 2011.

The cost is almost surely prohibitive. Haynesworth could return $16.8 million of his $21 million 2010 signing bonus if he wanted to leave. Hall would have to pay back his $15 million bonus to become a free agent.

Haynesworth's best earning potential should remain in Washington, so we don't see this being a major story next offseason.

We do see G.M Bruce Allen's payroll maneuvering benefiting the team in 2011.

Posted by: skinball77 | March 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm diggin this new regime....not gonna be held hostage by bad contracts -- CP, AH, or DH.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM

Cleaning up Vinny's mess is a full time job all in itself.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Lions defense is atrocious, and the draft is deep for OT. They will NOT take Okung. Suh/McCoy are on the board, they will take Suh then take a tackle at #34. Okung will drop to us. Either way we're sitting pretty at 4. Worst case scenario:
1 Rams - Bradford
2 Lions - Okung
3 Tampa Bay - Suh/McCoy
4 Skins -> trade back a pick or two and pick up a 2nd. Draft Trent Williams.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 23, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Cleaning up Vinny's mess is a full time job all in itself.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

For sure. I wonder if Vinny thinks he got shafted, or if he still thinks he knew what he was doing?

I also wonder if Allen ever utters anything similar to Shanny...."you guys actually ran your team like this?"

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Does this Bidwell fella have any hilarious quotes? Also, isn't there already a competing (non Hunter Smith) punter on the roster?

No Hunter Smith and no Ethan Allen means this team has very little to do with the part of the game I watched the most closely.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious to how much you really know about that situation. Do you know what the Patriots actually did wrong? It's a simple question and the answer may seem obvious to you but please answer.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hi everyone!!!! Oh sorry...That's not Lavar in my pocket...I'm just happy to see all of you!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 23, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

his "creation" of Tom Brady was GREATLY aided by the hundred of hours of illegal tape they had on every teams defense... and their ability to know every teams defensive audibles game in and game out.

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Hmmm. Ok. It's also little know that, allegedly, Brady wanted to knock up some nice girl-next-door types from Michigan, but Weiss got him some illegal tape of these supermodels...

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering what tickling my nutz. It was just Lavar, he was in my pocket.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Calling Cindy, calling Cindy ...

" ... If you were expecting the NFL to announce the opening weekend games today at the owners' meetings, as it usually does, ..."

What else normally happens this week? Any other things we can get white knuckled about before the draft?

Before the draft, I understand that, if there are going to be offers on other teams' RFAs, they have to arrive by # number of days before the draft ... is that right?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm diggin this new regime....not gonna be held hostage by bad contracts -- CP, AH, or DH.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM

Cleaning up Vinny's mess is a full time job all in itself.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:35 PM

Ri is wonderful place. Reality is not.

Gibbs 2.0 signed Portis. Danny Wanted HAynesworth. And DHall was a good signing.

Now, this is NOT 'cleaning up' bad contracts. This is all for salary cap purposes. Ofcourse none of these players will give back the monies unless they can recoup the exact amount from the new team.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Suh = Playmaker

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM

Red wine = Stainmaker

Livin' Lovin' Maid = Heartbreaker

Whirlpool = Icemaker

Butcher, baker, candlestick maker = Knaves all three

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm diggin this new regime....not gonna be held hostage ...

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM

Regimes. Hostage taking.

Skins need a Code Red free safety.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This link is opposite of what you described. If you watched the Texas Nebraska Big 10 Championship game, Suh was the playmaker.


The different defensive schemes they played in while in college highlighted different skill sets for each player, as Suh has been labeled the "read and react" player while McCoy is more of a run-stuffer. Now that they've gone head-to-head in the same workouts, multiple reports are giving the edge to Suh after Monday's results.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/10651/nfl-combine-suh-vs-mccoy


From the Big 10 game:
Texas was supposed to blast Nebraska and waltz into the BCS title game, but Suh refused to let the Longhorns ascend so easily. Facing double teams and getting held on almost every play, Suh singlehandedly dismantled one of the nation's best offenses. He finished with 12 tackles (seven for loss) and 4.5 sacks in what would have been an all-time upset had officials not used video replay to discover that one second remained on the clock after Texas quarterback Colt McCoy's final throw hit a stadium railing. The Longhorns kicked a field goal as time expired and won 13-12.


Suh = Playmaker

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM

F the Combine and their numbers. Put on the tape.

BTW, you link had this 'little' tidbit at the very end:

"McCoy is currently listed as No. 1, but obviously things can change."

Whaaaa? McCoy is #1? In the same article you posted to back up Suh is Better?

Texas wasn't ready for Suh in the 1st QTR. And texas still won the game.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Couple of things..

Voted NO to the Okung/Tebow poll.
Yes to Okung, but he's going to be a Lion.
No to Tebow, he's going to be a Jag.

I'd prefer Al to be at the "voluntary" camps. If he had stayed around long enough he would have noticed that they revamped the training facilities and fired the old strength and condition coach. You pay 41 guaranteed for a tank you’d like to have it serviced by an authorized service center, instead he’s relying on the grease monkey to have him performing optimally. I don’t care if this is the same guy that trained him before a contract year or that others choose to workout with private trainers. Pretty sure no one has ever questioned Fletchers conditioning. When your “leaders” (contract makes him a leader) shares the philosophy of a Jeff George it’s creates dissention among the ranks.

From HogsHaven..
Let's start with the new conditioning program. When speaking with Edwin, he told me there are a lot of changes:

Edwin: Before we'd do a lot of lifting...you just do what you want.

Hogs Haven: So there was no cardio put in place?

Edwin: Nah. They'd make you run 20 yards, and if you want, you can keep doing it.

Hogs Haven: Really? Jesus. And now?
Edwin: The new regiment has a lot of twisting, calisthenics. It's really hard to do.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Now, this is NOT 'cleaning up' bad contracts. This is all for salary cap purposes. Ofcourse none of these players will give back the monies unless they can recoup the exact amount from the new team.


Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand your logic...all contracts directly affect the salary cap, particularly bad ones.

And how does anyone know whether AH will want to stay and be "forced" into playing in a 3-4? AH has already taken a defeatist attitude by saying he "is not built" for a 3-4. Not built or not willing?

We'll see, but by the end of the next season, a mutual parting of the ways maybe best for everybody.

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17-

What happened was for years, from around 2001-2008, or maybe 2000, the pats would send people to their opponets stadiums and proceed to film the signals being sent from the sideline to the defense during their games... a clear illegal tactic that was called out by Roger Goodell multiple times, and one time specifically stating that the practic of video taping signals (directed solely at the Pats) was illegal. The pats then would save these video tapes and study them. Brady and Weiss would go over this film and use what they learned to enhance their knoweldge of what the defense was trying to do during their next game agaisnt that team...

The Pats would also tape audible calls. There was video, but the NFL destroyed it, showing one teams coach signaling the defensive play call, the tape then looked up at the clock, the score, the distance to go, and then went and watched the Middle linebacker (who on this team was in charge of calling the audibles), watching him as he made his signals... They would do this for every defensive play every game.

Teams do change their signals and do change their audibles, but I imagine that they are not completely changing them from game to game, or even season to season. The pats had YEARS of tapes on alomst every coach in the nfl and had game after game tape on them. Thus, things might change a little, but that wouldn't throw the pats off completely as they had more than enough game tape to look at to figure out what they needed to figure out.

I'm sorry, but how this is not a big deal does not make any sense to me. Yes, I am frustrated and jealous by the pats success over the last couple of years, but I do think that this should not have been swept under the rug and forgotten...

Also, there was a very highly regarded rumor that the pats taped the Rams walk through prior to their superbowl in what 2001 or something?... The video evidence would have been destroyed by Goodell to hide this from the fans, but a NUMBER of highly respected journalists and beat reporters stated that this occured and a number of rams players have stated it as well... the evidence isn't there and so it is nothing but a rumor, but going off of what we already know about the pats as an organization i would totally believe it.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What a damn joke. Hell Diesel44 you could have came up with a better conditioning program than that. No wonder they kept pulling their hamstrings.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What a damn joke. Hell Diesel44 you could have came up with a better conditioning program than that. No wonder they kept pulling their hamstrings.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2010 2:15 PM

12 oz curls always worked for Riggins...

How about this:
12oz curls for the skill players (Keers light)
16oz curls for TEs/LBs/SS (Busch pounders)
40oz for the OL/DL (old english)

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

While I can sympathize with your passion, PS1, I find it interesting that if the teams would have used handwritten notes and observations of the data (instead of video) it would have been entriely legal per the NFL.

Isn't that what u used to hav 2 du in da Auld Daze?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, there was a very highly regarded rumor that the pats taped the Rams walk through prior to their superbowl in what 2001 or something

stop...just stop....there is a highly regarded rumor that you put more faith into rumors, and crap of this nature than you should...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The last thing LA should ever talk about is someone else's business. Especially, after a certain someone screwed up his own contract and ran his bidness right into the ground and screwed a bunch of people along the way$$$$$$$$$$. Keep lifting those twinkies Big Al.

Posted by: Holehoggin | March 23, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I always thought the Patriots video taping was written into a secret portion of the Patriot Act.

The team stank on toast on 2000, and then BAM! the World Trade Center gets dropped and out of nowhere comes the HELLO! Patriots to cheer us up.

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Why do people make their own mock drafts up here? Possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

I'm going to do a mock draft of who gets picked up in tonites YMCA pickup basketball game.

1. Tall guy
2. The one dude that doesn't pass
3. The guy that claps his hands to play defense.
4. The guy who dribbles fancy but doesn't do much else.
5. The guy that only shoots threes.

However there could be a trade from shirts to skins that throws this all off.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 23, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So if the Pats hadn't been big cheaters, what would the score of the October '07 game against the Redskins been?

Posted by: closer44 | March 23, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Red wine = Stainmaker


Posted by: dcsween

I spilled some club soda on my carpet once. But I poured red wine on it and it came right out. Believe me now, thank me later.

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas - I only care about 1-4 because that is what matters. Well 1-3 matters more than #4 because it will determine who we will pick.

So, just to review:

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Well since you are making assumptions on the "point" I was trying to make.....


4th, you posted that McCoy is the Playmaker and Suh was the Run Stuffer.

I pointed out another article that stated the opposite of your claim.

Then I pointed out what Suh did in a Conference Championship game, when real players are supposed to step up to show his play making ability and that he isnt just a run stuffer.

Anyone who watched that game knew he was the most talented player on that field.

Stat line for Conf. Championship game:
He finished with 12 tackles (seven for loss) and 4.5 sacks( Maybe I will make an assumption that you think those stats came all in the 1st quarter)

No where in my post did I make the claim I thought Suh was better, that was your assumption on my post. My goal was to show that Suh is a playmaker, and that McCoy is viewed as the Run Stuffer.

But this is RI so feel free to twist the words so they make you feel better.

McCoy is the PlayMaker/PAss Russher. Suh is the run stuffer.

The playmaker will 99% of the time go 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

closer, it would have been 10-3, Redskins.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for being patient, you've all waited long enough

http://www.gleeclub.com/experience/music/almamater.mp3

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I always thought the Patriots video taping was written into a secret portion of the Patriot Act.

The team stank on toast on 2000, and then BAM! the World Trade Center gets dropped and out of nowhere comes the HELLO! Patriots to cheer us up.

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm down with the conspiracy theory

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

stop...just stop....there is a highly regarded rumor that you put more faith into rumors, and crap of this nature than you should...

--BeantownGreg1


The rumors are always true—Griffin Mill

Posted by: TheCork | March 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle - thing is video taping it makes it so much simplier. It is extremely difficult to follow the coaches from the sidelines play in and play out, game in and game out... I agree that if they had just not used a video camera it would of been legal, but they did, and still did it after being told to stop multiple times and thats frustrating...

Bean... when a team has been caught cheating, over and over and over again... and there are multiple reports stating that something happened... I tend to lean towards the side that something happened... the key there was I said it was a rumor, meaning that there is doubt... but when it comes to shadddddyyy behavior the pats lead the way

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

... - I only care about 1-4 because that is what matters. Well 1-3 matters more than #4 because it will determine who we will pick.

So, just to review:

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/Spiller

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:38 PM

The names after 4, instead of being guys, should be the team who picks there ... because the BEST outcome for this team would be to have some team want to jump over some other team to swap picks with the Skins, who really really could use more picks.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Can all the Colt McCoy people please tell me what he has/does that would make him an attractive pick to us on any level?

What is he going to bring to the table that someone like Colt Brennan cannot?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

More accurate passer. Played and had success against tougher competition. Better work ethic.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I've not compared the college stats, but if you tell me MCoy is mroe accurate, fine.

As far as having success against better competition, that is a double-edged sword. McCoy not only played against better competition, but he played WITH much better players. You could turn the argument around and say that Brennan had more success (statistically) playing with less talent around him.

Better work ethic? Not sure how you actually measure that...I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't cede as fact that McCoy is more accurate then Brennan. I think one of Brennan's strengths is his accuracy.

Not advoccating here, but I think the Shanahan's may just think they have a "developmental" guy like Tebow or McCoy already on the roster in Brennan. All this QB research could just be proper due dilligence with a heaping helping of misdirection. Will surely be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I think the move is to get the line fixed and then let the QBs on the roster prove they are the solution... or not in 2010. Drafting a QB in the 4,5,7 is just a waste of a pick better spent on an athlete who can contribute on special teams at the very least. Drafting Tebow, McCoy or Mr X in the second doesn't meet a need that is not already on the roster and robs the pick from a guaranteed starter in any of the other 21 positions.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

louloudekdek1 how do you know Fletcher is there. Fletcher hardly spends any of his voluntary time at Redskins Park. In fact I read last night where several Redskins are training away from the Park. How do you know AH is not motivated to be better than last. In fact his desire to work out elsewhere is to get in the best shape he's been in since he was a pro. This is why I think it was irresponsible for Lavar to just pop off, he uses his bully pulpit to influence fans who don't take the time to find out the other side of the story themselves

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse
I agree, TWISI. I loved Lavar as a player, but I have not use for him as a radio personality. He wasn't smart enough to read his contract before signing it. Why should I believe what he has to say on the radio. I choose just to not even listen to him.

I think AH is very responsible. He wasn't satisfied with last year's performance, so he is trying to get into better playing condition. From what I am reading, he will be at Ashburn for the required practices.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

pas, final word on this:

updated 9:15 a.m. ET May 16, 2008
BOSTON - The Boston Herald sports writer who reported the New England Patriots taped a pre-Super Bowl walkthrough by the St. Louis Rams in 2002 said he will regret the erroneous story for the rest of his life.

“First and foremost, this is about a writer breaking one of the cardinal rules of journalism. I failed to keep challenging what I had been told,” wrote John Tomase in Friday’s editions of the newspaper

beep beep.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 23, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Browns might trade up for McCoy
2:50PM ET

Colt McCoy Top Email Earlier, we considered Mike Holmgren's comments relating to the Browns' search for a QB to draft this April, making note of the fact that Holmgren has never drafted a QB higher than the third round during his career.

Well, that might change this year. ESPN AFC North blogger James Walker got word from a source that the Browns are interested in Texas QB Colt McCoy, and reported Monday that the team will host him for a two-day visit on April 12-13. Given McCoy's stock, the Browns might have to snag him with their pick near the top of Round 2. There are some size concerns with McCoy, but he had one of the better interviews amongst the QBs at the combine, and is expected to go somewhere in the second round.

Update: On Tuesday morning, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that the Browns' interest in McCoy is "real," and that it's quite possible they'll use that high second-round pick to take him, or package some picks together to move into the bottom of the first round to snag him. Cleveland currently has three third-rounders and four fifth-rounders to play with.

Todd McShay
He's not first-round material
"[McCoy] does not have prototypical size at just 6-1 and one-eighth and 216 pounds. McCoy worked primarily out of the shotgun at Texas, and his height raises concerns about his ability to scan the field when dropping from under center."

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"LaVar is one my favorite Skins..."

That guy isn't even in my bottom 200 fav players, see:

291. Jaquez Green

292. Trung Candidate

293. Christian Faruia

294. Shane Matthews

295. Taylor Jacobs

296. Andam Archuleta

297. Brandon Lloyd

298. Danny Wuffuel

299. Tim Smith

300. Coach Steve Spurrier (tie)

300. Vinny Cerrato (tie)

301. The people who take fan made signs away at home game.

302. Dan Snyder (numbers 302 to 1,000)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

My nephew had tesitcular cancer and lost a nut over it. I wonder if only having one nut might be an advantage for a punter.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:32 AM

Well...he'll only have to worry about sitting on just one now. I hate when that happens.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | March 23, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that the news about Shanny/Allen reworking DHall and Haynesworth contracts is not worthy of a blog post?

The fact that it radically changes our future salary cap situation, takes advantage of the uncapped year and puts us in position to dump them sooner rather than later (2011)...really, that's no big deal. Nor is the fact that these moves put us in the proverbial catbird seat for the best UFA class ever next year...that's not worthy either.

WAKE UP WAPO!

All you have to do is Google news Redskins a few times a day, cut-paste-call it good!

Why is bashing the Mayor so fun? Sad and demented on my part, but fun!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Rumor is not always wrong" - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Welcome @ryanohalloran, who will be teaming with me to provide great #Redskins coverage for @csnwashington

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

My nephew had tesitcular cancer and lost a nut over it. I wonder if only having one nut might be an advantage for a punter.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2010 11:32 AM

Well...he'll only have to worry about sitting on just one now. I hate when that happens.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | March 23, 2010 2:57 PM

Oh. And he'll only have to worry about one getting splashed with blue water if he takes a dump in a porta john.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | March 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

--Publius Cornelius Tacitus


Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 2:59 PM

Had that once...they sell a creame for it.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | March 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"LaVar is one my favorite Skins..."

That guy isn't even in my bottom 200 fav players, see:

291. Jaquez Green

292. Trung Candidate

293. Christian Faruia

294. Shane Matthews

295. Taylor Jacobs

296. Andam Archuleta

297. Brandon Lloyd

298. Danny Wuffuel

299. Tim Smith

300. Coach Steve Spurrier (tie)

300. Vinny Cerrato (tie)

301. The people who take fan made signs away at home game.

302. Dan Snyder (numbers 302 to 1,000)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Where is Tony Banks?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 23, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

It's not a big deal because all teams video tape the other team's defenses and they all keep the tapes for years. The Pats should have just shot the tapes from the stands/pressbox and not the sidelines.

From ESPN:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."


The whole point of this rule is that the teams can't use the tape during the game. There is no proof the Pats ever used the tapes recorded from the sideline during the game. Even the guys that recorded the tapes claimed that they never gave them to anyone during the game.

Also, it's not a big deal because just like the rumors you stated Shanahan supposedly videotaped the Chargers practices, Al Davis suppsoedly bugged all of his opponents in the locker room, and Jimmy Johnson flat out said that this is the way he was taught to do it by a Chiefs scout. They all record defensive signals and have been doing it for years. That's why they use defensive signals in the first place and change them as often as possible. This did not provide any distinct advantages and that's why nobody makes a big deal out of it. It's not a big deal. The pats got punished pretty harshly for what they actually got caught doing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"It's not a big deal because all teams video tape the other team's defenses and they all keep the tapes for years. The Pats should have just shot the tapes from the stands/pressbox and not the sidelines."

The general rule in football is if you can't stop what's coming, why does it matter if you know what the play call is before the snap of the ball?

The taping stuff doesn't matter.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

So Haynesworth has his own off-season program, which to me is like saying "i am a Football God os I will do things my way, i don't like or think the strenght coaches we hired are any good". What do you think of this? The important thing is that he's getting ready, the principle is just wrong. But yet again this is offseason, not training camp, at that time It would be worse. So whatever, all i care is that he comes fit and inspired!

Posted by: Pedro01 | March 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

He's coming in ready to stomp on more cowboys heads! literally.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Despite his great nickname, Hunter the Punter ranked 27th out of 33 punters that played at least 8 games, according to PFF."

That's because they had to keep punting in the Red Zone.
Yes, that's a joke...

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Posted by: linjian76 | March 23, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect? This is Allen number 2. Seriously I hope the Redskins start signing some younger players.

Posted by: sonofliberty09 | March 23, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Arrington a Giant?
proof positive there are too many sports talk stations on the air... this clown gets to rant and the WP features articles about the sensationalistic trash..by a has-been moron (that actually bought out his own contract)

Posted by: terpsez11 | March 23, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Arrington a Giant?
proof positive there are too many sports talk stations on the air... this clown gets to rant and the WP features articles about the sensationalistic trash..by a has-been moron (that actually bought out his own contract)

Posted by: terpsez11 | March 23, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Excellent. The Skins have added some depth at the punter position :)

Posted by: randysbailin | March 24, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"Mock drafts are a waste of time and energy" Yours Truly, Big Daddy Wilkinson, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith...

Posted by: randysbailin | March 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

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