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Redskins sign Marques Hagans, Roydell Williams and Ryan Torain

The draft doesn't begin for a few more days, yet the Redskins roster is already growing.

In addition to defensive lineman Howard Green, the team has also signed contracts Monday with receivers Marques Hagans and Roydell Williams and running back Ryan Torain. All three players participated in the team's first minicamp last weekend. Noticeably missing from that list is a third receiver who was in camp and is apparently not in the team's plan: receiver Jerry Porter.

Hagans, 27, might be a familiar name for Redskins' fans. He finished the 2008 season on Washington's practice squad and was with the team through training camp last year before being released. Playing with Kansas City and St. Louis, Hagans has appeared in six games in three seasons, totalling 108 yards on 9 receptions. He did not appear in any games in 2008.

Williams, 29, was Tennessee's fourth-round draft pick in 2005 and played with the Titans from 2005-2007. In three seasons, he has 1,139 yards on 84 receptions. Williams was also in training camp last year with the Redskins but was waived shortly after breaking a finger in practice.

Torain, 23, was Denver's fifth-round draft pick in 2008 and as a rookie appeared in just two games, starting once. The Arizona State product had 69 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries but tore his ACL and finished the season on the injured reserve list. He suffered a knee sprain last summer and missed all of 2009, receiving an injury settlement from the Broncos upon his release.

By Rick Maese  |  April 19, 2010; 5:28 PM ET
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depth depth depth....guess one of the receivers makes the team in place of ARE. hopefully Torain is fully healthy and still has his speed and burst, he'd be a nice change up to the old and slowing down RB's currently on our roster.

Posted by: Neverender84 | April 19, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Good get a bunch of guys to take reps in camp and push other guys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

FIRST to say WTF?

Posted by: DenverdoesDalls | April 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Okay if I read the smokescreens correctly, signing two receivers means that we're picking Dez Bryant @ #4.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

first!

i dont know why we dont go get a t.o. he has the experience and might be a great help for WRS corps!if he becomes a problem cut him with no cba! These guys are practice players! we need players that can start on sunday! okung looks good but how many rookies are ready day one? i like some of the moves but others have me scratching my head! At first, i think we are trying to get the most of what we have but then we go get mcnabb confusing a bit! i will like the mcnabb move more if he signs a long term deal! i think line will be better! patience. Hail to the redskins!

Posted by: jamly7733 | April 19, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Reportedly, Shanny really thought highly of Torain as an RB before the injuries. He's still a young guy and it will be interesting to see what he has left. A very interesting competition at RB this spring and summer just got a little bit more interesting.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Something should have happened by now. They should have begun negotiations with the number one pick. There should have been a trade. Really slow this draft. Like a thunderstorm slowly rolling across the Bay toward the Eastern Shore. You can see it approaching and you can hear the thunder but nothing's happening except the dogs' are getting nervous.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why we dont go get a t.o.

Posted by: jamly7733 | April 19, 2010 5:40 PM

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Seriously? We are trying to GET RID of the problem children like Big Al and Rocky and we were trying to trade LaRon (Heck, we may be still trying to trade LaRon if his attitude doesn't change). It's a new world order in Ashburn. You won't see TO anywhere near DC until he signs with some team and they play end up playing Washington next season. It ain't happening as long as Shanny's in charge.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see what Torain has to offer. However, I am still excited for Anthony Alridge and hope he gets his fumbling problem nailed down before the 53-man cut. He's all about the speed burst.

Posted by: INIOWA | April 19, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Boom! There goes Williams.

Boom! There goes Torain.

Fodder for ye olde cannon.

Hope they pickup a nice couple of paychecks. It's rough out there.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The young RB intrigues me. Is this our new RB of the future in disguise? We all know Shanahan loves finding no name RB's and making them into greatness. Hmm...

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain ... he'll be gone before Sam Huff figures out that its not pronounced Torian.

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Posted by: Corvis777 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? We are trying to GET RID of the problem children like Big Al and Rocky and we were trying to trade LaRon (Heck, we may be still trying to trade LaRon if his attitude doesn't change). It's a new world order in Ashburn. You won't see TO anywhere near DC until he signs with some team and they play end up playing Washington next season. It ain't happening as long as Shanny's in charge.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 19, 2010 5:51 PM |
ok but dont we need a proven target for mcnabb or you think the wrs we got before today can cut it? just saying...

Posted by: jamly7733 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see we are bringing the numbers to the field to see who is the real McCoy and who are the pretenders. I like that no one is safe on this team and that the smokescreen could also be deployed masking the true draft emphasis.

Plus, we still haven't spent the money all off season yet that we usually spend on ONE PRIMA DONNA in past years!

Posted by: laserwizard | April 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing more than "competition at every position" or at most someone fighting for one of the last spots on the roster. However, notice they aren't picking up a bunch of O-linemen for competition and depth purposes????

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 19, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Torrain could be interesting. They were raving about him in training camp as a rookie. Had trouble staying healthy though.

Posted by: skinswest | April 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"Something should have happened by now. They should have begun negotiations with the number one pick."

Normally there would have been. Maybe St Louis crosses the pundits up and takes somebody other than Bradford. If they do, it will be because of his injuries.

Or maybe they're lying to us. We're in the deep dark disinformation period now, when nobody knows nothin' and teams are hoping to make Mel Kiper look like a feckless idiot.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

2 retreads from the prior regime and a rb will a bum knee...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 19, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

ok but dont we need a proven target for mcnabb or you think the wrs we got before today can cut it? just saying...

Posted by: jamly7733

we have a proven target for mcnabb....its number 89..Moss

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Something should have happened by now. They should have begun negotiations with the number one pick."

Normally there would have been. Maybe St Louis crosses the pundits up and takes somebody other than Bradford. If they do, it will be because of his injuries.

Or maybe they're lying to us. We're in the deep dark disinformation period now, when nobody knows nothin' and teams are hoping to make Mel Kiper look like a feckless idiot.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 6:11 PM

I'm wondering if the rams want to trade out. Cleveland maybe? If so maybe Clausen becomes more popular prior to the #7 pick if Rams move there.

Posted by: skinswest | April 19, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

ok but dont we need a proven target for mcnabb or you think the wrs we got before today can cut it? just saying...

Posted by: jamly7733

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Sure, but Larry Fitzgerald isn't available. We also need a proven LT, RT, another MLB, CB and FS, etc., etc., etc. If the guy is a headache, he ain't coming here and that includes T.O. Hanesworth may be the BEST DT in the game and the Redskins just paid him $21 million for one season in order to get another team to take this malcontent off our hands. Plus, do you realize what McNabb's and TO's relationship is at this point??? I doubt either of them want to recreate that nightmare.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Shopping in the scratched and dented section.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 19, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

cheap pickups... not that there is anything wrong with that. low risk with potential upside. the steaks (sp?) will be much larger starting Thursday.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Lots of bodies for camp.

The interesting thing will be to see how open/serious the competition is for spots.

No one on this roster (except mcNabb) is a Shallen "guy". They've signed lots of guys to low-grade non-guaranteed contracts, but no one that they "must" hand a spot to based on contract.

If Hagans and Roydell Williams really play, would Shallen cut someone like Malcolm kelly?

Would Ryan Torain really get a chance to beat out L.Johnson, Parker or Portis for the starting gig?

Posted by: p1funk | April 19, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Something should have happened by now. They should have begun negotiations with the number one pick."

Normally there would have been. Maybe St Louis crosses the pundits up and takes somebody other than Bradford. If they do, it will be because of his injuries.

Or maybe they're lying to us. We're in the deep dark disinformation period now, when nobody knows nothin' and teams are hoping to make Mel Kiper look like a feckless idiot.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse


It is odd.

With the release of Bulger the Rams are clearly obviously moving in the direction of needing to identify a new franchise QB. I can't see it being anyone on their present roster.

Are they entertaining offers from other teams to move up and get Bradford?

Would they move down and prefer someone like Clausen if it meant getting more picks?

Posted by: p1funk | April 19, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

ok but dont we need a proven target for mcnabb or you think the wrs we got before today can cut it? just saying...

Posted by: jamly7733 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM

Most people would consider Santana Moss a "proven target." And, as a group, I'd say our receivers are as good as the ones he had in Philadelphia. Plus, here, he's got some good TE's.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If I had to find a comparable for Bradford, it would be Aikman. They're both smart, deadly accurate, and fearless, willing to give up the body in search of a score. The difference being that Sam comes into the league under a medical cloud. And like so many big-time QBs, to this point he's been prepared to win in college, not the pros.

Clausen is harder to pinpoint. He's got all that NFL prep, and he's a natural downfield passer, something of a rarity in a league that equates that with being 6'5" and rocket-armed. When he gets blocking, he's very dangerous, but he's not necessarily great at operating outside the pocket. Comparison: part Brady, part Eli Manning.

I don't know how you evaluate guys like Colt McCoy or Tony Pike, who spent their careers in spread formations, operating from the shotgun and throwing mostly to WRs who were two or three yards away from the defensive back. McCoy is far more mobile than Bradford or Clausen and that is going to attract interest from a WCO team looking for someone who can buy another second or two from the rush. Pike is tall and willowy and throws a catchable pass and is the sort of player you hope would turn out like Brad Johnson but often doesn't.

It's a good thing that Tim Tebow has all those intangibles because his tangibles suggest a different position altogether. Outside of steamrolling a DB in the secondary, it's hard to see him playing QB for one and possibly two seasons. I wouldn't know who to compare the guy to in today's NFL. You have to go back to the neanderthal era, to Joe Kapp. Tebow's a better athlete than Kapp ever way, but then, so is everyone else in the NFL.

LeFevour is a mystery. Looked great at Senior Bowl week, when some overenthusiastic people were even comparing him to the young McNabb, and lost most of that luster at his Pro Day. Something wrong with that picture. Sometimes he makes me think of Aaron Brooks, who had a decent NFL career, but then I realize Brooks was a whole lot faster.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

If Hagans and Roydell Williams really play, would Shallen cut someone like Malcolm kelly?

Would Ryan Torain really get a chance to beat out L.Johnson, Parker or Portis for the starting gig?

Posted by: p1funk | April 19, 2010 6:36 PM

yes and yes, I think. not saying it will happen that way, but my guess is that Shanahan is serious about competition. we'll find out more once training camp starts...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 19, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Plus, we still haven't spent the money all off season yet that we usually spend on ONE PRIMA DONNA in past years!

Posted by: laserwizard | April 19, 2010 6:06 PM

That is if you ignore the $21 mill. bonus we paid Haynesworth, who is right up there as the most PRIMA of all our DONNAs.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Shopping in the scratched and dented section.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 19, 2010 6:29 PM |

Well shopping in the shiny worked great in someone elses house, didn't do us much good did it.

This is how you build depth, or would you rather keep doing it the way Vinny was doing it.

No team has pro bowlers as backups for every position, you have to have these type of gus filling out the bottom of your roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 19, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If Hagans and Roydell Williams really play, would Shallen cut someone like Malcolm kelly?

Would Ryan Torain really get a chance to beat out L.Johnson, Parker or Portis for the starting gig?

Posted by: p1funk

No, 2 times...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Last year, one of my 'longshot predictions' at the start of training camp was that Roydell would be a major factor for us. That prediction spoiled faster than mayonnaise in the Mojave. Also, another longshot prediction was that Robert Henson would start at least 1 game for us. Didn't happen, but at least he made the team.

Still recall Campbell throwing passes to Hagans in a preseason game and thinking: shouldn't Campbell be throwing it to guys that are going to make the team?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

No, 2 times...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:45 PM

Tell that to Jake Plummer, the established QB, who Shanahan pulled in favor of a rookie. Shanahan's going to put the best players on the field.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Torain was freakin awesome in the very short time that he was healthy. Should be interesting to see if he's bounced back fully.

Posted by: COskins | April 19, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to Jake Plummer, the established QB, who Shanahan pulled in favor of a rookie. Shanahan's going to put the best players on the field.

Posted by: League-Source

Bullsh!t..and plus Jake was washed-up by then...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Something should have happened by now. They should have begun negotiations with the number one pick."

Normally there would have been. Maybe St Louis crosses the pundits up and takes somebody other than Bradford. If they do, it will be because of his injuries.

Or maybe they're lying to us. We're in the deep dark disinformation period now, when nobody knows nothin' and teams are hoping to make Mel Kiper look like a feckless idiot.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse


It is odd.

With the release of Bulger the Rams are clearly obviously moving in the direction of needing to identify a new franchise QB. I can't see it being anyone on their present roster.

Are they entertaining offers from other teams to move up and get Bradford?

Would they move down and prefer someone like Clausen if it meant getting more picks?

Posted by: p1funk

It makes ZERO sense to not have a deal in place with the #1 overall at the time of the draft. Its high enough risk without knowing if the guy is going to hold out for $75million instead of $50million.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 19, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to Jake Plummer, the established QB, who Shanahan pulled in favor of a rookie. Shanahan's going to put the best players on the field.

Posted by: League-Source

Bullsh!t..and plus Jake was washed-up by then...

Posted by: jcnjcnj |

That's right. Shanahan thought Plummer was too old, that he was washed up at age 32.

Wait, how old is McNabb?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 19, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

That's right. Shanahan thought Plummer was too old, that he was washed up at age 32.

Wait, how old is McNabb?

Posted by: zcezcest1

I said washed-up..not old..his ability had eroded....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to Jake Plummer, the established QB, who Shanahan pulled in favor of a rookie. Shanahan's going to put the best players on the field.

Posted by: League-Source

Bullsh!t..and plus Jake was washed-up by then...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

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You're right. Portis, Johnson, and Parker are all still in their prime. They won't give Torain a chance at all. (sarcasm)

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse


If Hagans and Roydell Williams really play, would Shallen cut someone like Malcolm kelly?

Would Ryan Torain really get a chance to beat out L.Johnson, Parker or Portis for the starting gig?

Posted by: p1funk

No, 2 times...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:45 -----------------------------------------

the answer is yes, 2 times.

shanahan thought torain was the steal of the draft the year he got him. he fits the one cut and go scheme well. the question is, can he ever stay healthy. if he does, he absolutely has a chance to start. if you want precedent, look to the year mike bell started for shanahan.

shanahan is serious about putting the best players on the field, he doesn't care who you are. i watched it happen every year he was in denver.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | April 19, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait until McNabb leads us to a few victories and the pro-Campbell crowd starts to foget all about poor Jason.

We need a young RB and again, when we get a good one, we'll soon forget CP. I will admit I'll remember his blocks more than his runs. Not good when you are the starting RB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 19, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Bullsh!t..and plus Jake was washed-up by then...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM

So what are you saying, winky dink? That Plummer was washed up and was replace but if Portis, Johnson, or Parker is washed up, then Shanahan won't replace them?

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Portis, Johnson, and Parker are all still in their prime. They won't give Torain a chance at all. (sarcasm)

Posted by: ddrcoaster

Torain by all accounts up here is injury prone..if he had what it takes then he would have caught on to a team by now...hes just an extra body for pre-season. And besides the other backs are all-pros.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

So what are you saying, winky dink? That Plummer was washed up and was replace but if Portis, Johnson, or Parker is washed up, then Shanahan won't replace them?

Posted by: League-Source

He has nothing to replaced those guys with...Torain sure wont be the one...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

improbable isn't the same as impossible. these moves don't hurt, and they might help.

it's a beautiful sunny 76 degrees in northern Idaho... time to graze the yard, then grill some delicious cow-friendly teriyaki salmon and chicken. never understood what real wild salmon tastes like until we moved here. still don't know what real wild chicken tastes like... chicken maybe?

cheers all... we'll know (a little) more come Thursday.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 19, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will have to give out triple digit numbers soon...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will have to give out triple digit numbers soon...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2010 7:52 PM |

Why is that they will most likely bring 85 players to camp which is what most teams do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 19, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins should bring in T.O. for one year. He'd instantly become the best wr on the roster (by far) and would raise the level of competition at the position much more than Hagan and Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 19, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should have done your homework as a beat reporter and found out what Shan thinks of this guy, it would have been interesting, but I guess I have to go else where for skins news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/19/torain-finds-a-home-with-shanahan-again/#comments

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | April 19, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

shanahan is serious about putting the best players on the field, he doesn't care who you are. i watched it happen every year he was in denver.

Posted by: zatoichi77

and Portis is the best RB on the team

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins should bring in T.O. for one year. He'd instantly become the best wr on the roster (by far) and would raise the level of competition at the position much more than Hagan and Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 |

you must be smoking that sh!t with JReid...
dont forget you pass only on the left-hand side...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Skins should bring in T.O. for one year. He'd instantly become the best wr on the roster (by far) and would raise the level of competition at the position much more than Hagan and Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 |
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seriously, you think reuniting mcnabb with t.o. is a good thing?

side note: look for shanahan to pick up brandon stokely when the broncos cut him later this summer. not a big name like t.o., but he is clutch on third down. wasting away in denver under the new regime.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | April 19, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

shanahan is serious about putting the best players on the field, he doesn't care who you are. i watched it happen every year he was in denver.

Posted by: zatoichi77

and Portis is the best RB on the team

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 8:06 PM |

I would agree that he can be. But the point is that he has to prove it, right?

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

So the defensive tackle rotation is now:

K Golston

A Montgomery

P Daniels

G Petersen

H Green

M Kemoteau

A Haynesworth (?)


(?) means they now have established veteren depth at the position: a signal that the player with the (?) next to his name might be either a lion, titan, or bear come Thursday night.

Oh my!!!

And if AH is moved and replaced with a rookie NT type, he plays in a rotation of vets more inclined to follow the rules as opposed to his own way.

We've said all along to leave Albert be.

But increasingly, it looks like he's going to be sent packing, and especially so now with able depth behind him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"...look for shanahan to pick up brandon stokely when the broncos cut him later this summer..."

If this happens, I'll blog with my clothes on.

'Cuz usually, I don't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait until McNabb leads us to a few victories and the pro-Campbell crowd starts to foget all about poor Jason.


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 19, 2010 7:39 PM

********

skinsfan, if you want more than a few wins, you're gonna have to pay me first

********

All these offseason moves mean NOTHING if Skins fans don't do the right thing.

What is that?

You need to collect enough money to get me to start routing for another team.

Yes, after my team lost last night, my San Jose Sharks (if you saw what happened, you know), I'm convinced that whatever team I back, is doomed.

So here's the deal. I'm not asking for the world. My price point is 20% below whatever the hit man you could hire would charge. Take up a collection, send me a check (and it damn well better clear) and you remaining Skins fans will see your team back in the playoff hunt.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 19, 2010 5:01 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 19, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I would agree that he can be. But the point is that he has to prove it, right?

Posted by: League-Source

That would be the point...and i think he will do just that...competitive players love
to prove others wrong and CP is very competitive...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

mock draft analysis 400+ drafts

#1 - Bradford 65%, Clausen 18%, Suh 16%
#2 - Suh 57%, Okung 24%, G.McCoy 18%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 57%, Suh 24%, Berry 12%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 45%, Clausen 21%, Bradford 17%, Williams 6%, Bulaga 3%, G.McCoy 2%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 28%, Bulaga 25%, Okung 20%, Williams 6%, Davis 4%, Campbell 3%, McClain 3%

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most recent 100 drafts
#1 Bradford 97%
#2 Suh 77%
#3 McCoy 76%
#4 Okung 72%
#5 Bulaga 41%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 19, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 8:29 PM

No doubt the Skins are gearing up for a potential trade of AH, if one materializes. Moreover this defenses (ie the Steelers defense) has been successful w/o a pro bowl caliber pass rusher on the DL. However, I can't help but think that AH in this defense, w/ all the stunts and slants, and blitzes that help establish one on one mismatches upfront, will be an elite player for the Skins. But I must say I have grown more comfortable w/ the idea of trading AH with the additions to the NT position even though they are "justaguys"

Posted by: TWISI | April 19, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Sign all the crud youz guyz want to -

You'll never TOUCH the Eagles!!!

(I once kissed a sloppy sweaty guy who obviously had herpes - stuck my tongue right down his throat - just because he was wearing a McNabb jersey - the old Eagles one, not the maroon and black one)

go eatles!

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 19, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Backfield nicknames...

Portis/Johnson = Porti-John

Alridge/Torain = Al-Torain vehicle?

Posted by: stevek20147 | April 19, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

You'll never TOUCH the Eagles!!!

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 19, 2010 8:48 PM

Hey, you're the same lame-o who came up here and called the Caps "chokers" on Saturday night. They won, 5-4. And they're running away with the series tonight. You got nothing.

Posted by: League-Source | April 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Thinker-

You first showed up on this blog several days ago and immediately displayed that you don't know squat about football. Now we find out you're a gay eagles fan. Your credibility, or what was left of it, is lower than whale s**t.

Posted by: just-the-facts | April 19, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Backfield nicknames...

Portis/Johnson = Porti-John

Alridge/Torain = Al-Torain vehicle?

Posted by: stevek20147 |

not bad...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

The Thinker is thought-less

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"But I must say, I have grown more comfortable w/ the idea of trading AH with the additions to the NT position even though they are "justaguys""

Nameless, faceless, 'justguys' are what you want in nose tackles anyways, right?

Plus, the argument we posted about trading AH was that the team lacked depth at defensive tackle.

Since then, however, Petersen and Green have been added, so if these vets plays in the rotation posted above, you have to ask how do we lose?

Again, I like the idea of keeping AH.

But now that we have depth, moving him might be a prudent way to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Thinker_

"I once kissed a sloppy sweaty guy who obviously had herpes - stuck my tongue right down his throat..."

Confession: I was that guy.

Only, I was bent over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse


Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean, reports the Tennessee Titans remain interested in Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"...look for shanahan to pick up brandon stokely when the broncos cut him later this summer..."

If this happens, I'll blog with my clothes on.

'Cuz usually, I don't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 8:32 PM
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not sure what this means. would you like to see stokley with the skins, or are you against?

btw, are you a chris cooley fan? and have you heard of tmi?

Posted by: zatoichi77 | April 19, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Confession: I was that guy.

Only, I was bent over.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

hilarious.....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, looks like ID theft is back.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 19, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"Uh oh, looks like ID theft is back."

I don't know about ID, but somebody just stole Thinker_ attempt at shock and rammed in back down his throat:

"I once kissed a sloppy sweaty guy who obviously had herpes - stuck my tongue right down his throat..."


"Confession: I was that guy.....Only, I was bent over."

Thinker_ will change his ID to 'browneyeluver' from here on I bet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone was really shocked that an Iggles fan would be gay and herpes infested. Actually I would bet that's par for the course.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 19, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"...would you like to see stokley with the skins, or are you against?"


Stokely is the kind of guy who'll come to DC and become an instant fan fav, and dependable receiver.

He would join Moss as the only really polished receiver we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

MS said that he hopes AH comes to camp in great shape.

Just heard the following:

"AH went off on his own to train and get in shape the two years prior to his All Pro with the Titans."

After last year in the pee wee league atmosphere at Redskins park, I actually think that AH comes into camp ready for bear. I also think that MS (or rep) has had some contact with AH and he is not gonna trade him because of the above quote.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Stokely is the kind of guy who'll come to DC and become an instant fan fav, and dependable receiver.

He would join Moss as the only really polished receiver we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

i agree..if he catch for 1st downs..we will fall in love with him...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

With the trade of Tony Scheffler to Detroit for a 5th round pick, what does that mean for Cooley's trade value?

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 19, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

With the trade of Tony Scheffler to Detroit for a 5th round pick, what does that mean for Cooley's trade value?

Posted by: lifelongfan

Cooley has no trade value...cause he wont be traded...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Why trade Cooley? Until he was injured he was one of the few productive players on the team.

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | April 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"After last year in the pee wee league atmosphere at Redskins park, I actually think that AH comes into camp ready for bear."


Say what we will about either player, but do you realize that two NFL ALL PRO defenders, Jason Taylor and Albert Haynesworth, have both come to DC, and found the place a stinker?

Does this comment on them or us?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 19, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I should have been clear, I don't think they should trade him but others have mentioned a 2nd or 3rd rounder being possible. Just wondering what the opinion is now.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 19, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Say what we will about either player, but do you realize that two NFL ALL PRO defenders, Jason Taylor and Albert Haynesworth, have both come to DC, and found the place a stinker?

Does this comment on them or us?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Zorn really stunk the joint up....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Stokely is the kind of guy who'll come to DC and become an instant fan fav, and dependable receiver.

He would join Moss as the only really polished receiver we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe |


Wait a second, you mean he'll run 3 yard routes when we need 2 yards instead of running 2 yard routes when we need 3?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 19, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, looks like ID theft is back.

Posted by: scampbell1975

We wish. Sorry man it was too easy.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 19, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why we dont go get a t.o.

Posted by: jamly7733

1. His ego
2. His baggage
3. His age
4. His immaturity
5. His spelling (he can't spell team without using an I)
6. His temper
7. McNabb

need more? Please. TO in Washington? I'd sell all my Redskins stuff if that happened. Well, maybe not, but I certainly wouldn't wear it until he was gone.

Posted by: barrie1 | April 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

package cooley in a trade for o-line depth--let him cry about another team's fans booing his slow game.

Posted by: mohawk44 | April 19, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I will repeat what I said 3 months ago remember the George Allen era two year positions available only apply if you have 8-10 yrs experience injuries accepted. Bring out the wheel chairs we will be 8-8 MacNabb gets injured by week 8 Campbell is gone and sexy rexy is at the helm. I just hope Shanny can see what Bruce(Dan) is doing to this team again. They better keep JC he is the only one accustomed to get the heck beat out of him while they break in a new o-line.

Posted by: MPWTIAN | April 19, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan denied the team was looking to trade any players besides Campbell but said the team would be open to moving down from its slot if the right deal materialized."

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What happened to how much they looked forward to working with Jason Campbell?

How about how they expect to use AH at multiple spots on the defensive line?

What can we believe?

One thing is for certain -- Shanallen is slicker than a water balloon slathered in Crisco.

Nothing will surprise me.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan thought Torain was the steal of the draft the year he got him..."

Problem is, that was 2007, and he's been hurt since.

I don't know much about Torain, despite the fact he grew up about ten miles from where I did, except that in college he was another talented, high-mileage RB who was overused by his coaches and probably came into the NFL as a medical emergency waiting to happen. If Shanahan signed him, it's as a longshot, not somebody he seriously thinks is going to get carries this season. If he does contribute, that's great; if not, what's been lost?

NFL coaches aren't dumb (at least, this one isn't). Shanahan and Allen are at heart NFL realists. They know what they're getting, and what they aren't getting.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay so I scooped Allen and Shanahan on this one. The day or the day after Shanny was hired I said, watch the team sign Ryan Torain.

This is good, Shanahan loves this guy and he is a player. That 15/69/1 career was the one half of football he played his rookie year (1st game back from training camp injury) against the Browns the coincidentally the 1st game that Quinn started as well. The injury was actually on the 1 yard TD right before the half. This guy has game and WILL make the team.

The only thing he has going against him is that with the TC injury and the ACL injury, he can officially be deemed an injury risk.

Hail!

Posted by: rickmort | April 19, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that Ted Ginn Jr, a former 9th overall pick, was traded to the 49ers for a fifth rounder.

The kid has a great return game, if nothing else, but seems to have a ton of upside as a WR as well.

On the flip side -- Brandon Marshall was the 119th overall pick, and Parcells had to give up a 2nd round pick to get him.

Pretty safe to say Marshall is the more explosive of the two players, but goes to show what a crazy crap shoot the draft is.

If we didn't need a LT so desperately, and if Okung didn't seem like such a sure bet, I'd say trade down, if at all possible.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

and Marko Mitchell is a gemstone that only needs polished.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that Ted Ginn Jr, a former 9th overall pick, was traded to the 49ers for a fifth rounder.

Value of picks has gone up tremendously for most teams (most).

Folks who think that Campbell and Rogers and AH will bring back a lot of picks are, I think, dreaming.

Campbell may get the Skins a 6th/7th pick next year. But nothing this year. My guess is he'll be released.

AH might get them a third.

Nobody wants these guys. They just don't.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 19, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

McNabb and T.O. are professionals. They can coexist for one year, maybe two. Kelly and Thomas have no idea how to be good wr's - and have done nothing to show that are capable of being big-time players. They could learn from watching T.O. up close. Skins games sure would be fun to watch and, besides, McNabb is gonna have to score a lot of points cause our defense will be terrible.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 19, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

if the rams takee suh, which is becoming increasingly reasonable, then bradford will be there at #4 with huge value.

Posted by: mohawk44 | April 19, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

McNabb and T.O. are professionals. They can coexist for one year, maybe two. Kelly and Thomas have no idea how to be good wr's - and have done nothing to show that are capable of being big-time players. They could learn from watching T.O. up close. Skins games sure would be fun to watch and, besides, McNabb is gonna have to score a lot of points cause our defense will be terrible.

Posted by: coparker5

Yo..my dude, Put the pipe down..T.O. can't teach anything except how to be a B!TCH and ruin a good thing. He had his best chance to win a Super Bowl when he was in Philly. But he's such a B!TCH that he couldn't see it. And T.O. hasn't been a Big-Time WR since he was fired by the Eagles..He's slow and can't get off of bump coverage...Plus he drops everything that is thrown his way...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 19, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

if bradford falls to 4, skins can trade for okung + pick/s

Posted by: mohawk44 | April 19, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Our young receivers are unproven, partly due to the incoherent offensive system with the neophyte head coach and average QB of yesteryear.

Before we write DT and MK off as busts, let Kyle coach em up and Donovan hit them in stride and on target.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

T.O and Shanahan are mutually exclusive.

Just no way.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

It seems like shanny wants his future qb, thinking he will never draft that high again. (thanks zorn)

Posted by: mohawk44 | April 19, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Shanny's future QB can wait till next years draft.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 19, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"Release THE FRAKKEN!!!"

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The Frak National Anthem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPG_TCX2Z0k

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Does this comment on them or us?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe

IMO MS already knows AH's reason for going elsewhere to train and get in shape. That is what he told him the first day of VOLUNTARY mtgs. That is also what he told his last DC. I believe that he has found some trainer somewhere that has a regimen (s) he likes.

ShanAllen both just said last coupla days that there is no trade talk about AH.

It all has to do about JLA and JReid. Both of them are just trying to throw poo at the wall and hope some of it sticks. Read several of JReids gabbly gook. I also think that some of it has to do with AH's contract and the skins have not given JC a contract that he thinks that JC deserves (IMHO). This is not slamming JC, so go lightly folks.

I for one hope that we don't trade/give away AH. If in the NFC EAST we will regret it 2 times a year. If it to someone else we gonna regret everytime we play that team. There is not one of the DT's coming out that are gonna match him and we sure dont have one on the team not. (IMHO)

We slightly overpaid for him, but that is the last regime (s).

Don't forget that he played 2nd amount of plays on team last year and under vanilla defense the team still got quite a few QB sacks. I give most of them to him occupying 2 and sometimes 3 blockers to free up others.

That is just my humble opinion.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 20, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Playing with Kansas City and St. Louis, Hagans has appeared in six games in three seasons, totalling 108 yards on 9 receptions
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sounds like an upgrade to DT and/or MK.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 20, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Santana, Clinton and others have been guilty of the same heinous crime as Albert...Its more like the NJ Post picking at sore gums than any real story...A Triceratops in hand is worth two in the bush...

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

It seems like shanny wants his future qb, thinking he will never draft that high again. (thanks zorn)

Posted by: mohawk44

One of the odd challenges of having an older QB. You never know how his career will evolve. If McNabb is another Warren Moon, he has almost another productive decade in him. If he's Steve McNair, he's almost done.

My analysis, based on McNabb's peer group, is that he has 4 years left, 2 at a high level, 1 OK and 1 not good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

McNabb has got more than two years at a high level if the team improves around him..

I'm going to record this story, because it was, well , heartful..:

I'm driving up to get my chelada through the Va. mountains and what do I see standing there but a young fawn..I slow down and honk and he jumps to the side of the road, and go get my chelada..I'm driving back, and the damn fawn is standing in the road again, I drive up and say some idiot cute words..He stares at me with suicidal eyes and turns his head...I drive on..The little thing probably lost its mother and wanted to commit suicide...Sh*t makes me crazy sometimes..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

McNabb has got more than two years at a high level if the team improves around him..

Posted by: frak

Just saying what the numbers say about QBs whose careers, to date, are similar to McNabb. Here's how I got the numbers:

Looked at 2001, 2005 and 2009 to get a list of QBs who played significantly roles past age 34. The list contained 14 names. I looked at how many seasons each had with a QB rating of 90 or more, at age 33 or younger. McNabb had 3, so I selected the QBs that had between 2 and 4 seasons of 90+ rating. That left 5 QBs, all guys with multiple Pro Bowls. Of the 14 in the original group, only Favre was 'too good'.

After turning 34, these 5 guys combined to play in 20 seasons (min 150 pass attempts/season). 7 of these seasons resulted in passer ratings over 90, 6 more seasons with ratings between 80 and 90. The other 6 seasons had ratings below 80.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-inconvenienttruths041910

5. Okung isn’t a franchise left tackle
Teams like Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung, but he’s not a nasty mauler with great upper body strength. And he’s not consistent. When teams describe him in relation to other offensive tackles, he always comes in a clear notch below the Cleveland Browns’ Joe Thomas(notes), and some think he won’t even be a left tackle in the NFL. Not exactly what you want to hear if you’re drafting in the top five and want a Pro Bowl anchor on the left side.

Said one personnel man, “Okung is the consummate pro and a good soul, but ultimately that guy would be nice around 15 through 19. When you’re talking about the single digits [with Okung], people are concerned about that.”

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2010 3:18 AM | Report abuse


6. Williams is actually the most highly skilled tackle available
Like Okung, Trent Williams of Oklahoma is not overly nasty, either. But he is extremely athletic, and teams think he could sustain that even if he got into the 320-pound range. He’s got great balance, great feet, good arm length and has at times punished defenders with his hands. Essentially, he’s got a maximum amount of tools and ability to work with to become a true franchise left tackle.

Said an NFC source: “If you’re just looking at skill, and take away all the other stuff, he’s far beyond Okung. [Williams] has much more skill and athleticism. He’s definitely a left tackle and he could also play right.”

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2010 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Tony Scheffler has been traded to the Detroit Lions in a 3-team deal that saw the Lions send LB Ernie Sims to Philadelphia and a 5th Round draft pick comes to Denver. The pick is Philadelphia's - #137 overall - via Cleveland.

The Broncos now have 6 picks in the Top-137 and are back in the 5th Round. They had originally traded away their 5th Round pick last summer to acquire LeKevin Smith from the Patriots.

The Lions get Scheffler, a talented pass-catching TE and a 7th Round pick from Denver.
*******
What a trade!!! Sims is a pretty good LB, 100+ tackles/yr and about 26 years old. Maybe there are some factors I'm not aware of, but a 5th round pick for Sims seems like quite a bargain.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2010 4:53 AM | Report abuse

That's a new spin on the Okung/Williams debate, zeke. Makes that #4 pick much less of a lock if that's even a little bit true. Glad I'm not the one making that call...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 20, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

BTW...love the Ryan Torain signing. I have a feeling he may just push one of the over-the-hill RBs right off the roster come August...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 20, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

A 5th rounder for Sims?

A 5th rounder for Gin?.

Once again, it seems like teams are trading away proven commodities for awfully cheap.

JC, AH, LL, and CR -- not all too sure what the net gain for trading these guys would be for the Redskins.

AH might fetch us a 2nd rounder. JC might get us a 5th.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 20, 2010 5:30 AM | Report abuse

CR -- no worse than a 7th rounder.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 20, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

or a ham sandwich.

LL - a reuben.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 20, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

At any rate, it's clear the FO has a great amount of confidence in CP's ability to scale his way back up from the bottom of the cliff.

Jamal Lewis and Corey Dillon are rumored to be the next two signings.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 20, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Make the trade...You can never have enough ham sandwiches. :)

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 20, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Steinberg has an interesting column today on Shanahan's rules and how they're affecting the team. He actually names some of the players who made the quotes. Not a single "team source" or "one player." I don't think Steinberg will last long on the WaPo with this way of writing.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/mike_shanahan_lays_down_the_la.html

He even had a quote from the head coach!

The AP's Joseph White asked if this wasn't a contradiction, talking about trust while also keeping a list of players who break various rules.

"Just the opposite," Shanahan said. "Just the opposite. What you have to do as a head football coach is you have to make people accountable. That's my job. It's also their job to understand what it takes to help this organization be successful. And my job is to make sure that everyone's accountable to each other....The reason why you do have rules - and we don't have a lot of rules - is to make them, everybody, beat to the same drum. And if you don't, usually you're not very good."

One interesting twist though. What I pasted above is from the website and it names the reporter who asked the question. In the print edition of the paper they replaced his name with "a reporter asked."

Posted by: League-Source | April 20, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Chia, I know you're trying to be funny and all, but I'd seriously take Jamal Lewis over any of the 3 older backs we have now. I know he's probably considered high-mileage, but I think he's got a much better attitude than Parker, Portis, or (especially) Johnson. Just my opinion...

And I don't know what constitutes a "proven commodity" in your book, but Ted Ginn is nowhere near that in mine. Getting a 5th round pick for a guy who is a mediocre WR and a solid return man sounds about right to me. The guys the Redskins presumably have on the trading block are better overall players than Ginn, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 20, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Trying to be realistic, just don't think we have enough to be doing a lot of moving around in this draft. The #4 pick is all we got. Then drop to the 4th. Yes, we have JC on the block, but no one really seems interested. AH is good trade bait, but are we better off without him? The Rams are going to get their QB. If the Skins want a QB so bad, it will obviously be a developmental in round 4 or 5. All this talk about trading, with what?

Posted by: skins50 | April 20, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Obvious they're building with second and third line players for back-ups this season. People who they will be forced to play in the event they don't land first-line talent in a position of need. Just trying to strengthen the overall club personnel.

Also needed bodies for a buster of a camp with SHANAHAN. They need marginal players for depth to practice with through the summer and the X games (read: chew up and spit out).

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 20, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

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