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Posted at 5:29 PM ET, 03/ 3/2011

Redskins sign safety O.J. Atogwe

By Mike Jones

Updated: 6:44 p.m.

The Washington Redskins have signed free agent safety O.J. Atogwe, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation. The team announced the signing shortly after.

Atogwe, who was released by the St. Louis Rams on Feb. 18, visited Redskins Park four days later but left without signing a contract.

Atogwe's deal is for $26 million over five years, according to a league source.

Washington got Atogwe's signing taken care of on the last possible day before the expiration of the 2010 league year. Atogwe was free to sign with any team because he had been released and his rights weren't held by any team.

At the time, he wanted to continue to weigh his options in free agency. But Atogwe had ties to the Redskins having played for defensive coordinator Jim Haslett from 2006 to 2007, when Haslett held the same position with the Rams.

The Redskins were looking to upgrade the free safety position after Kareem Moore struggled both with performance and health last season. Moore ended the year on injured reserve, had to have a second knee surgery of the season (the first took place in August) and is still recovering.

The Redskins expect to use Moore as a backup to Atogwe, according to a source. With Atogwe and strong safety LaRon Landry, Washington should have a strong starting tandem.

Atogwe, 29, is strong in pass coverage, having recorded 22 interceptions in six seasons. His best season was 2007, when he notched eight interceptions while playing under Haslett. Last season, the 5-foot-11, 205-pound Atogwe recorded 73 tackles, nine pass deflections and three interceptions.

By Mike Jones  | March 3, 2011; 5:29 PM ET
Categories:  Free agency  
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Comments

Nice!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 3, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Bingo! One hole filled...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 3, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Cool, 7 more upgrades on defense and we'll be all set!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 3, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Bruce and Mike. At least it helps shore up a pretty glaring weakness at FS. Hopefully we resign Rogers so we can just focus on fixing the front seven holes we have.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm even happier than I was when we signed that other St. Louis safety, Adam Archuletta, because this time it's gonna work.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Mike Jones was on point on this one... about 12 minutes after the news broke, its here.

Jason Reid is prolly home already

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Redskins, Atogwe do five-year, $26 million deal

Posted by Evan Silva on March 3, 2011, 5:27 PM EST

Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Redskins have agreed to terms with safety O.J. Atogwe, formerly of the Rams, on a five-year contract.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter has confirmed the deal, and reports that it’s worth $26 million.

For once, it appears the Redskins did not overpay. Also garnering offseason interest from the Broncos, Bills, and Cowboys, Atogwe’s annual average of $5.2 million sounds reasonable for a safety who has accounted for the third most turnovers among NFL defensive backs over the past five seasons. (Only Charles Woodson and Ed Reed have more.)

In Washington, Atogwe will play free safety alongside “in-the-box” thumper LaRon Landry. Atogwe is familiar with Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett’s schemes, having played for Haslett from 2006 through 2008.

The Redskins still have holes at quarterback, wide receiver, defensive end, nose tackle, and linebacker. And arguably running back and several spots on the offensive line.

But their defensive secondary, at least, is shaping up nicely on paper.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Carlos stay, but I'm betting he wants O-U-T.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Bruce and Mike. At least it helps shore up a pretty glaring weakness at FS. Hopefully we resign Rogers so we can just focus on fixing the front seven holes we have.

Posted by: will_ga

I figure 2 of the front 7 are good for now and the 2 CBs can use upgrade.

Posted by: iubiquity | March 3, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Just read that over the last 5 seasons only Charles Woodson and Ed Reed have more turnovers among DBs.

Dynamic and electric anyone?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Is he in our future? Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM

How sweet of you. Assuming Donovan goes and we sign Tarvaris, guess who'd have the highest career passer rating of all the QBs on the team? Guess who'd be the only to have thrown more career TDs than picks? Hint: its not either of the guys on our current roster.

Our #1 QB is Rex Grossman and our backup is John Beck. I know, it hurts me to say it and much as it probably hurts to hear it.

Tarvaris is the youngest of the bunch, is 10-9 as a starter and has a higher career QB rating than Rex (by 6 points) or Beck. I've never seen Beck run, but I'm pretty sure Tarvaris is a tougher to catch than Grossman.

Beck is gonna be 30 before the season starts and is 0-4. He has thrown an NFL TD pass. Exactly 1. And 1 is a bigger number than all the NFL game passes he's thrown in 2008, 2009 and 2010 -- combined.

I wish we had better news at QB, but sadly, Tarvaris is probably an upgrade over Beck and could compete with Rex. So its not phukin stupid to look at him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:39 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

alright ok...alright ok

i like it, i guess we thank haslett for this one

welcome to DC o.j., just dont f--k up while you're here

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 3, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Our #1 QB is Rex Grossman...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:39 PM
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We signed Grossman?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Nice!

I like it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy to see this deal done. Now we have two DB's who can catch the football, and Atgowe can cover. If Moore can get healthy he will be a good backup.

Now we need a ILB, an OLB to compliment Orakpo, and a NT on defense.

The offense in my opinion needs everything, other than the two tackle positions.

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 3, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse
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His number is #21, but I hope he doesn't take it

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Our #1 QB is Rex Grossman...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:39 PM
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We signed Grossman?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 5:49 PM

This is "Zeke's Unique Perspective." Our #1 QB is McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

good point matt

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

As for OJ, like the player, don't like that he's 30 in a couple months. I'd love the signing if he were 26.

Some folks suggested that he'll be like a coach on the field -- and that is a good point.

He's clearly taking the FS position from weakness to strength -- that is exactly how to use a FA signing. But I'm skeptical that he'll be around long enough to make this a good deal for us.

Overall, I'd have passed on OJ. His age is really the only negative -- and even then I'd have been OK if we were closer to being competitive. But since I don't see us competing effectively 'til around 2013, I'd have reluctantly said no.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This confirms that you are in fact insane.

You know who else has a great QB rating? Antwan Randle-El.

Let's bring him back!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_

washer and juicer

Posted by: iubiquity | March 3, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

hahaha, more takeaways than anyone except woodson and reed?

i can see that as being dynamic haha

also, when we lost to the rams in 2008, an f-in debacle and pete "sure handed" kendall caught the ball and fumbled it.... i ask you, which ram returned it 75 yards for a td right before half time?

that's right..our new starting FS O.J. Atogwe

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 3, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I just noticed he wears #21. Hmm...not sure how that goes over if he doesn't want to change.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

His number is #21, but I hope he doesn't take it

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't think 21 will ever be worn again in Washington.

I really like the signing BTW.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Finally, we have solidified our safety positions since the time of Sean. We would of never been in this position if we had just signed Clark for small dollars instead of Archy.

Nice!!

Posted by: tony325 | March 3, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

This is "Zeke's Unique Perspective." Our #1 QB is McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep |

Well other than your forgetting to read (I said "assuming Donovan goes"). Is literacy no longer in? I forget.

But matt, true enough on Grossman not actually under contract with us. Hard to imagine he's got a better gig elsewhere, but its always possible.

As for who is the #1 QB, its Grossman. While you might have Donovan #1 (and so would I), the only guy with a vote that matters doesn't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Landry/OJ:

"Beat you to a pulp"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Zeke I sort of feel you on Atgowe's almost being 30, I wish he was younger, but it is an upgrade at the position, I just hope he comes here and balls and doesn't wind up being another FA bust/mistake.
One good thing, he and Haslett are familiar with each other and he knows the scheme so that should make a big difference.

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 3, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! Way to go Bruce and Mike!!!

Posted by: bg1fan1 | March 3, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Overall, I'd have passed on OJ.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course you would have...you are insane and have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to building an NFL roster.

But by all means let's bring Tarvaris Jackson in.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

terrible move. torn shoulder labrum? He'll never be the same. That's the death knell for tacklers/defenders. enjoy watching him stand on the sidelines.

Posted by: heltzooor | March 3, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

But matt, true enough on Grossman not actually under contract with us. Hard to imagine he's got a better gig elsewhere, but its always possible.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse
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So FS is a higher priority than signing your #1 QB? Not buying it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_

Arms and Hammers

Mortar and Pestle

Smash and Grab

Posted by: iubiquity | March 3, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This confirms that you are in fact insane.

You know who else has a great QB rating? Antwan Randle-El.

Let's bring him back!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 5:57 PM


OOOOOOOOOOOO ..... sticking up for Rex and John Beck, those mega studs!!! Tarvaris couldn't touch that. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

There were a couple years when I wondered if ARE wouldn't be a better #3 QB than the guy with clipboard. Fortunately, never needed to find out!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This is a great signing..There is a knock that OJ is not physical but we have Landry for that, we need over the top help and he does that, 22 INT's that says it all..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | March 3, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

As for OJ, like the player, don't like that he's 30 in a couple months. I'd love the signing if he were 26.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM

Whatever. He's not. But he is a documented ball hawk. And he's fast. And smart.

We'll put you down for an "I told you so" when he gets hurt later.

[For those watching at home, dcsween has been pimping Atogwe since shortly after the Sean Taylor tragedy ... and before Atogwe was tagged ... when Haslett was still the coach of the Rams ... so NOW I can do my back patting. PLUS, with the CBA extension, I'm still up here for another day ... so you can all resume your tears for another day.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Whatever he is, he's better than we had.. doubt anyone can argue that.

Posted by: iubiquity | March 3, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Good solid move. There was little to no help in this draft. Getting OJ now helps address one of the more glaring needs on the defense. Now, they need to get a starter at NT, an another starter at OLB opposite RAK. I'm really liking this signing.

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

But matt, true enough on Grossman not actually under contract with us. Hard to imagine he's got a better gig elsewhere, but its always possible.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse
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So FS is a higher priority than signing your #1 QB? Not buying it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 6:08 PM

Huh? Not sure where I equated the two. Said I'd kick the tires on Jackson, whose probably a cheap backup QB. I think we do re-sign Rex. He's cheap, knows the system. I'm actually OK with him running the show until we Shanny can find a guy he really thinks is the long term answer. From what I've read, not sure that guy is in this year's draft.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a good deal. As long as it's not backloaded with a ton of guarenteed money then i'm cool with it. At 29 he's young enough to actually see the end of his contract.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

With OJ's takent for takeaways and Landry's big hits...

I say we call them "Crime and Punishment"

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 3, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse
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Exactly.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Just keep posting...

Nothing I can say will expose you for the fraud you are like your own words will.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Redskins, Atogwe do five-year, $26 million deal

Posted by Evan Silva on March 3, 2011, 5:27 PM EST

... For once, it appears the Redskins did not overpay. ...

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:42 PM

THIS is the best part of this whole story.

Also, iubiquity, I like Smash and Grab (mostly because I don't know which is the mortar and which is the pestle). With Smash and Grab, you can tell who has what name.

On the downside, Kareem Moore has to be feeling a little bummed ... nickel safety again. Landry was the one who tweeted about the "WTF 71" stuff when Atogwe first came. Hope Landry takes it well too.

So ... I figure Horton and Doughty still have jobs. I forgot who the 5th one was. Anderson Russell? Macho Harris?

Seems like if they pulled Barnes over, neither of those guys is likely to hang on ... or maybe not even Doughty. [Horton was hurt, right?]

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I would have preferred a 25 year old disaster relief aircraft carrier at the FS spot but I guess OJ will do.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 3, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

LANDRY & OJ NICKNAME = THE EXTRACTORS!! JUST LIKE EXTRACTING THE JUICE & PULP FROM THE FRUIT..

Posted by: maspika | March 3, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

As for OJ, like the player, don't like that he's 30 in a couple months. I'd love the signing if he were 26.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:55 PM

Whatever. He's not. But he is a documented ball hawk. And he's fast. And smart.

We'll put you down for an "I told you so" when he gets hurt later.

[For those watching at home, dcsween has been pimping Atogwe since shortly after the Sean Taylor tragedy ... and before Atogwe was tagged ... when Haslett was still the coach of the Rams ... so NOW I can do my back patting. PLUS, with the CBA extension, I'm still up here for another day ... so you can all resume your tears for another day.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:11 PM

You earned the back pat.

I'm not hoping for an 'I told you so'!! I'd rather he do a Brian Dawkins or a Ronnie Lott, guys who played well into their 30's. But I'm not sure the odds are with us on that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Landry & OJ nicknames should be= "The Extractors!" just like the machine to extract the juice and pulp from the fruit!! They will hit you hard and extract the ball away from you!!

Posted by: maspika | March 3, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

This is a good signing...it's not that he's 29, it's that we didn't make him the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL...(see Adam Archuleta)

If they keep Moore for depth, then we're solid at FS...

Finally...someone in charge that can build a roster.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

My poop smells.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

How sweet of you. Assuming Donovan goes and we sign Tarvaris, guess who'd have the highest career passer rating of all the QBs on the team? Guess who'd be the only to have thrown more career TDs than picks? Hint: its not either of the guys on our current roster.

Our #1 QB is Rex Grossman and our backup is John Beck. I know, it hurts me to say it and much as it probably hurts to hear it.

Tarvaris is the youngest of the bunch, is 10-9 as a starter and has a higher career QB rating than Rex (by 6 points) or Beck. I've never seen Beck run, but I'm pretty sure Tarvaris is a tougher to catch than Grossman.

Beck is gonna be 30 before the season starts and is 0-4. He has thrown an NFL TD pass. Exactly 1. And 1 is a bigger number than all the NFL game passes he's thrown in 2008, 2009 and 2010 -- combined.

I wish we had better news at QB, but sadly, Tarvaris is probably an upgrade over Beck and could compete with Rex. So its not phukin stupid to look at him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:39 PM |

Well, that settles it. You are indeed smoking crack. Are you "winning" too?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

SUPERBOOOOOOWL

Posted by: whydoIcare | March 3, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Landry/OJ:

"Beat you to a pulp"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:02 PM |

I had to laugh at this one...love it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Let "Doc" Walker give the nicknames...

He's pretty good at it...

Mike "Caveman" Sellars
Sean "The Tarantula" Taylor
Devin "Wildchild" Thomas

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

possible nickname: screwdriver (like the drink, o.j. and vodka)

Posted by: altarkenton | March 3, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's just call this guy "The Juice" and be done with it.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Sweet!...great work getting this done. He and LL should work well together...

Posted by: dieselfan44 | March 3, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Darren Sharper is 35. Other than THIS season (and 3 games he missed in 2003), he hasn't missed more than 2 in 15 seasons.

Dawkins (37) didn't have a bumpy season till this last one.

I'm thinking you just want to be contrary on this signing b/c there is so little love for Tavaris Jackson up here this afternoon.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking you just want to be contrary on this signing b/c there is so little love for Tavaris Jackson up here this afternoon.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:42 PM

Hard to believe some of these crappers. Some are the same guys that wanted to sign Champ Bailey or Shawn Springs to play safety because...wait for it...they're old.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

With OJ's takent for takeaways and Landry's big hits...

I say we call them "Crime and Punishment"

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 3, 2011 6:15 PM

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

With OJ's takent for takeaways and Landry's big hits...

I say we call them "Crime and Punishment"

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 3, 2011 6:15 PM
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Not Bad!

Posted by: clark202 | March 3, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Let's just call this guy "The Juice" and be done with it.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 6:39 PM

That name is already taken (by a killer in jail for theft).

To keep them straight, let's just call him by his name: Oshiomogho. Unless you actually get a chance to meet him, then its Mr. Atogwe.

[His middle name doesn't even begin with a "J" ... its an "I"].

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd go so far as to say we are getting OJ at his absolute prime. As far as experience, reading receivers formations etc...He's seen it all by now and is still young enough to physically do it.

I'm at a loss as to how anyone could be against this signing...unless as DCsween suggests, it's petty contrarian BS.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I love that Wikipedia ALREADY has this detail added (that he signed with the Skins).

30 on the Wonderlic at the Combine ... 4.58 in the 40. Third round pick by the Rams.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm at a loss as to how anyone could be against this signing...unless as DCsween suggests, it's petty contrarian BS.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:50 PM |

Considering the specific guy in question is smoking Tarvaris pole I'd say it's just stupidity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Correction ... Atogwe was the 2nd guy picked in the third round in the AMERICAN draft. He was the fifth guy picked in the Canadian draft the year before. He's from Canadia.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

(Not a single comment complaining about how "late" Jonesy got this posted, how he was scooped, how he attributed it to an unnamed "league source," or any other gripe? Nice double standard, trollz. Enjoy the honeymoon, Mike.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Soo, liyke, if aanybuddy aasks, Atogwe is 1.8 meters taall and weighs 93 kilos, eh.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins still have holes at quarterback, wide receiver, defensive end, nose tackle, and linebacker. And arguably running back and several spots on the offensive line."

I was pretty happy about the OJ signing, and then the next thing I read was that line. Oh well. Only ten more holes to fill.

As for a nickname, how about The Decapitator, after his namesake.

Posted by: NYPDee | March 3, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Saw Pat Kirwan has the skins taking Julio Jones. While we need a wr I just can't get excited about another high pick wr after the Thomas/Kelly fiasco. Not to mention ancient history with Westbrook, Howard, the clemson kid, etc

Posted by: skinswest | March 3, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd go so far as to say we are getting OJ at his absolute prime. As far as experience, reading receivers formations etc...He's seen it all by now and is still young enough to physically do it.

I'm at a loss as to how anyone could be against this signing...unless as DCsween suggests, it's petty contrarian BS.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 6:50 PM

Another positive you can take from this signing is that it provides a good point of reference for when LL's deal is up after next season.

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 6:56 PM

Oh my, somebody got his boxers up in a tight spot. Nate, this is our FIRST gift of the offseason, join us in the rejoicery!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

(Not a single comment complaining about how "late" Jonesy got this posted, how he was scooped, how he attributed it to an unnamed "league source," or any other gripe? Nice double standard, trollz. Enjoy the honeymoon, Mike.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse
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That's cuz he had it posted in 15 minutes after it broke, AFTER 5:00. He's not going to be able to break news, but at least we don't have to wait hours to get a new thread.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

It's great news, sween... assuming there's NFL fubbal being played this fall.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Clean OJ and Dirty Landry

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 3, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

the clemson kid, etc

Posted by: skinswest | March 3, 2011 6:58 PM

gardner.rod

But don't forget Taylor Jacobs!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

assuming there's NFL fubbal being played this fall.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 7:01 PM

That's the other rejoicery ... 24 hour extension on the league year ... means I'm still up here tomorrow.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Darren Sharper is 35. Other than THIS season (and 3 games he missed in 2003), he hasn't missed more than 2 in 15 seasons.

Dawkins (37) didn't have a bumpy season till this last one.

I'm thinking you just want to be contrary on this signing b/c there is so little love for Tavaris Jackson up here this afternoon.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 6:42 PM

Nah, that's not it. I've been 'no' on OJ since his named popped up a week or two ago. Same reason -- really the only reason -- age. I like the player.

I think we need to be targeting this team for around 2013. Hopefully OJ holds up -- there are guys that have held up nicely at FS well into their 30's. You bring up Dawkins and Sharper. Ed Reed is another guy. Great player, missed 10 games at age 31 and 32, hadn't missed 10 games in his entire career before the last 2 years.

By the time 2013 rolls around, OJ's career will be more in the 'crap shoot' phase. If he plays at a high level 'til he's 35 or so, it'll have been a great move.

As for the Tarvaris thing -- I'm laughing at how much arguing a suggestion to kick the tires is getting. Especially given our QB situation. A year ago, people up here were hammering me because I wasn't good with the Donovan trade. Oh well.

We all find out what we got right and wrong long after the dust has settled.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a terrible signing.

Safeties are a dime a dozen in the NFL. He's still gonna stink because the 'Skins d-line needs so much work.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, Atogwe calling on-field adjustments means less need to rely/depend on Fletcher.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

It's a good signing provided we continue to make moves to shore up the front 7.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have done it. Time to rebuild, get young...everywhere (except at QB, that should wait a year).

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Safeties are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2011 7:06 PM

Yet somehow they spent a quarter and only got Doughty, Horton, Kareem Moore, Anderson Russell, and Macho Harris. (Lendy Holmes?)

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Strong safeties are a dime a dozen. They are also called "special teams." Its harder to find a good ball hawking free safety.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, guys, the best nickname is so obvious:

LaRoshiomogho

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I vote for "CRIME AND PUNISHMENT"

Posted by: jiza32 | March 3, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Nick names for the Landry and oj?

...anyone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

OR ......" PULP FRICTION "

Posted by: jiza32 | March 3, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"If you can run the ball and play defense, you can win in this league."-Brian Billick

I think this philosophy may be an intermediate phase in a four year plan to make the 'skins much less of a joke in the modern NFL.

Rod woodson was how old when he retired? Played in baltimore did he...in the 3-4...perhaps we get our suggs/ray lewis in the draft and pickup a nose tackle. Hmmmmm...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 3, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

now, if we get gallery, I will be sexually aroused...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 3, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Jucinator and Annihilator.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 3, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

First, its a brilliant move. We couldn't really address this in the draft, NT, OL, QB, OLB are bigger needs and so getting a likely starter from 5 picks was gonna be tough.

On OJ getting the 21 Jersey, So long as the Taylor family is okay with it. I am too. Its not a retired number, just on the unofficial list, with 7,9, 17, 28, 44, 81. If ST's family and friends say its okay, then he can wear it with this fan's blessing as well.

As far as a nickname. Well I am hesitant, I don't want to curse them like I did the dream tandem of Andre Carter and Jason Taylor, "Crash and Tango".

So I will go with a joke answer.

From now on the nickname of Landry/OJ will be:

"The Fedora and The Black Leather Glove!"

Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Great Signing. That is all.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Strong safeties are a dime a dozen. They are also called "special teams." Its harder to find a good ball hawking free safety.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 7:11 PM

A big part of success at safety is the chemistry thing. If they mesh well, you can have success with the ball hawking. Its why Ryan Clark has a career along side Troy. He's not a great player, but he fits in well.

In the past couple years, we've had too many plays where the DBs are looking at each other afterwards, trying to figure out who messed up. Kind of the anti-chemistry thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"PULP FRICTION "

Posted by: jiza32 | March 3, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

If that's wrong then I don't want to be right.

Simply outstanding. And IMO the leader in the clubhouse.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I know Mr. Snyder is the BEST owner ever -- but does he know his underlings are continuing the sins of the past, paying top dollar for other teams cast-offs - with high mileage on them? Maybe someone should tell him?

Posted by: jburnetti | March 3, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Richards, James Washington, Mark Carrier, Sam Shade, Adam Archuleta........

Hopefully, Atogwe won't continue the trend of signing FA Safety BUSTS!!!

Posted by: metrosucks100 | March 3, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

alex: "On OJ getting the 21 Jersey, So long as the Taylor family is okay with it. I am too. Its not a retired number, just on the unofficial list, with 7,9, 17, 28, 44, 81. If ST's family and friends say its okay, then he can wear it with this fan's blessing as well."

I see where you're coming from, but I don't want "ST's family and friends" having say over anything having to do with how this franchise operates, even something as trivial as a jersey number.

There's reasonable, respectful sensitivity, and then there's an absurd level of oversensitivity.

Sean Taylor was a meteor, and we were lucky to have been along for the ride. But as glorious as his time in burgundy and gold was, it was only three and a half seasons.

Yes, his murder was a moment that all Skins fans will remember forever, and yes, at that moment he was head and shoulders our best player, but at some point we have to move on.

What I'm saying is, I have no problem with someone wearing #21, particularly someone who is a pretty damn good player to whom we just paid a lot of money, and who has as good a chance as anybody as "living up to" the legend of Sean Taylor.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I know Mr. Snyder is the BEST owner ever -- but does he know his underlings are continuing the sins of the past, paying top dollar for other teams cast-offs - with high mileage on them? Maybe someone should tell him?

Posted by: jburnetti

Wrong!

It seems that the iggles have made the same mistake then in signing mike vick; he was a cast-off from atlanta and served time.

If we don't sign free agents we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. Just cuz people like AH are worthless doesnt mean EVERY free agent in going to be a nightmare. We signed this dude to a reasonable contract, not one that sells our entire future out to a deviant loser.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 3, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Nate

I see where you are coming from, I am just saying that we have somewhat of a team history of new players doing this for jersey numbers of former great players. And when guys don't do that, then fans seem to be upset.

It would be a formality for the most part anyway.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

That is crazy money. I'm not sure he makes the Skins all that much better. The Skins need help up front on defense. I say get a big defensive end in the draft http://bit.ly/NFLMockDraft3

Posted by: lech112 | March 3, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

No Area 51 plz. it's retired. What's his number gonna be?

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 3, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Atogowe #36

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I like "O-Sack-po" and "smash and Grab". While we're at it, how about London "Gonna Getcha" Fletcher, DeAngelo "I Just Ball" Hall & Brandon "Take It To The" Banks?

Posted by: joflood1987 | March 3, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

We all find out what we got right and wrong long after the dust has settled.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:06 PM |

We don't need to wait for no dust to settle to know with certitude that you're an obnoxious jerk. Mebbe you was right about McNabb but how far off was you with Andre Carter? When the Skins released the dud I didn't see no teams jumping at the chance to sine him. And while we're on the trig gig, I didn't see nobody cosining to all that shti you dredged up to justify thinking the Skins could get a third rounder for the dud in a trade.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

On the jersey number, I'd stay away from #21. Too soon. And its the same spot, next to the same SS. Its inviting comparisons to a ghost, and there's no winning that.

Its hard to retire the number of a player who only made it 3+ seasons and switched numbers along the way. But when someone dons the #21 again, it'd probably be better for everyone if its an RB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

JUICE and SQUEEZE

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 3, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong?"

Been basically out of the loop since about week 14 of the regular season...did we discuss this J. Reid bombshell already?

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

On the jersey number, I'd stay away from #21. Too soon. And its the same spot, next to the same SS. Its inviting comparisons to a ghost, and there's no winning that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:49 PM

Some guys are attached to their numbers and some aren't. If 21 is important to Atogwe he should wear it. If people compare him to Sean Taylor because both wore the same number, so what? That comparison is no more relevant than comparing Yahoo! to Chrysler.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

That comparison is no more relevant than comparing Yahoo! to Chrysler.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:01 PM |

Bad analogy. Chrysler and Yahoo! are both duds.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong?"

Been basically out of the loop since about week 14 of the regular season...did we discuss this J. Reid bombshell already?

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

We are still complaining about Ryan Clark and Adam Archuleta, I think you are safe.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Game film convinced offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan that McNabb would be a bad fit for his father's offense. Kyle spoke up before the trade, but others in the organization pushed for McNabb. The elder Shanahan approved the deal because he wanted a proven quarterback and, well, what if Kyle was wrong?"

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 7:58 PM |

Hey, sometimes skulls are thicker than blood.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Browns sign D'Qwell Jackson to one-year deal.

Another blow to p1funk

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to wait for no dust to settle to know with certitude that you're an obnoxious jerk. Mebbe you was right about McNabb but how far off was you with Andre Carter? When the Skins released the dud I didn't see no teams jumping at the chance to sine him. And while we're on the trig gig, I didn't see nobody cosining to all that shti you dredged up to justify thinking the Skins could get a third rounder for the dud in a trade.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 7:48 PM


oooooooooooo. I must be wrong because I didn't get any co-signs. ooooooooooooo. I'm sure the correlation between "co-signs" and what eventually happens is really rally really really high. As for Carter, 3 obvious things. First, there's no CBA so there's not as much player movement. Second, Carter has been on the market for all of a day or two, and the owners are kinda busy. And third, this was about Carter before the 2010 season, not after.

Gotta admit, I enjoyed your use of the word 'certitude', surrounded by all the other funky spellings and grammar.

And you might be right on the obnoxious jerk part.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see what else the Skins do to the roster this offseason before judging this signing.

I'm pretty not-so-high on signing anyone who's gonna be 30 when the season starts to a 5-year contract.

Going into the offseason, I don't believe that upgrade at FS was near the top of our priority list.

Would it help? Sure. Virtually anything would help. But if we get better pressure on the QB, and get LL30 back playing healthy, I believe that would mitigate a big chunk of the weaknesses we saw at FS this past season.

I also don't know what the thinking is going to be for how much $$ we plan to invest in our secondary down the line. DHall is already making $50 mill. Now Atogwe is making $26. How much is LL30 going to be asking for when we need to re-up with him and he's playing at an All-Pro level?

One of the problems under Vinny is that we spent a bundle on a few frontline starters at a few positions, and that left us very thin at other places on the roster.

With a roster as thin as it already is, how are we going to fill out the needs if we are loading up on one part of it? We still need a starting NT, a couple LBs, a QB, 3-4 startes on the Oline, and a #1 and #2 WR.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Another blow to p1funk

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM |

So guys have all the fun.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I like "O-Sack-po" and "smash and Grab". While we're at it, how about London "Gonna Getcha" Fletcher, DeAngelo "I Just Ball" Hall & Brandon "Take It To The" Banks?

Posted by: joflood1987
Go jo

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 3, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Bob Sanders signs with Chargers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the iggles have made the same mistake then in signing mike vick; he was a cast-off from atlanta and served time.

If we don't sign free agents we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. Just cuz people like AH are worthless doesnt mean EVERY free agent in going to be a nightmare. We signed this dude to a reasonable contract, not one that sells our entire future out to a deviant loser.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 3, 2011 7:38 PM

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey calm down now. Let's not let rational thought get in the way of knee jerk reactions here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

So guys have all the fun.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM |

You meant "some" guys have all the fun, didn't you?

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:15 PM |

Yes. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

On the jersey number, I'd stay away from #21. Too soon. And its the same spot, next to the same SS. Its inviting comparisons to a ghost, and there's no winning that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 7:49 PM

Some guys are attached to their numbers and some aren't. If 21 is important to Atogwe he should wear it. If people compare him to Sean Taylor because both wore the same number, so what? That comparison is no more relevant than comparing Yahoo! to Chrysler.

Posted by: beep-beep |

Did Yahoo! and Chrysler play the same position?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Browns sign D'Qwell Jackson to one-year deal.

Another blow to p1funk

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse


No. Just another blow to the Skins.

We're handing out 5-year contracts to 30-year olds, while the Browns locked up a tackling machine in his prime years on a low-risk/high-reward incentive-laden one year deal.

I guess the only silver lining is that if he proves to be healthy, then maybe we can snag him next offseason...of course if he proves to be healthy then the Browns are likely going to lock him up long-term.

Oh, well.

We give contracts to backups and 30-year olds. I guess that's just our lot in life.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty not-so-high on signing anyone who's gonna be 30 when the season starts to a 5-year contract.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM |

I'd like to see what this "5 year contract" actually is. Is it a 5 year contract like McNabb's? That's not really a 5 year contract. That's a series of 1 year contracts that only we can terminate at our leasure.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Mea Culpa. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a conversation without getting the whole story.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 9:06 PM |

Dude- why don't you change your handle to "IWearADress"?

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Mea Culpa. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a conversation without getting the whole story.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 9:06 PM |

Dude- why don't you change your handle to "IWearADress"?

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM |

Dude- why don't you change your handle to "Istalkscampbell1975"?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM |

I'd like to see what this "5 year contract" actually is. Is it a 5 year contract like McNabb's? That's not really a 5 year contract. That's a series of 1 year contracts that only we can terminate at our leasure.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

They were reporting on the radio that OJ's agent wanted a contract that didn't have a poison pill the way his last 2 contracts did - the kind that have a big escalator after the first or second year and lead to more situations like the past 2 offseasons.

So my guess is that it is a legit 5 years; maybe 4 with a team option, or something like that.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty not-so-high on signing anyone who's gonna be 30 when the season starts to a 5-year contract.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:10 PM |

I'd like to see what this "5 year contract" actually is. ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM |

Good point. And the Skins didn't sign the dude right off the bat like they was in FA rut like what has happened before.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

We're handing out 5-year contracts to 30-year olds, while the Browns locked up a tackling machine in his prime years on a low-risk/high-reward incentive-laden one year deal.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM |

In his prime huh? He's hasn't played a game in a year and a half due to injuries...I wouldn't call that "his prime years."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

This is a good move, no hamsworths / vinnybugarato/$snider$ type contract...He is a good person / player ^thumbs^.

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM |

In his prime huh? He's hasn't played a game in a year and a half due to injuries...I wouldn't call that "his prime years."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

He's 28 and has been spared a year and half of football wear-tear.

It's one injury that he's been getting over. He tore his pectoral 5-6 games into the 2009 season. When he came to training camp in 2010, they decided the pec didn't heal properly/fully, so they IRed him on the spot and he got surgery #2.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

He's 28 and has been spared a year and half of football wear-tear.

It's one injury that he's been getting over. He tore his pectoral 5-6 games into the 2009 season. When he came to training camp in 2010, they decided the pec didn't heal properly/fully, so they IRed him on the spot and he got surgery #2.


Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:30 PM

Nonetheless...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is guessing as far as the contract, eh? Are there any details out yet? S&A have been pretty savvy about contracts so far. Let's wait and see.

As for OJ, age and contract aside, he is a huge upgrade over Moore. He will come in ready to play, not learning the system and still confused in week nine. The only downside is 'can he stay healthy'? Let's all knock on our foreheads.

Posted by: NYPDee | March 3, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm pooping right now.

WiFi rocks.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Another blow to p1funk

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

As soon as he finds out that Vernon Gholston is still available he'll recover.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, I gonna leave all you mean drunks behind for a while to go hang with a different bunch of mean drunks.

Red Wings and Sharks tonight at the Tank.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter signs with Packers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:13 PM |

Really? Jesus. I'm going to have to take back all them nasty things I said about zcest1.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm always amused at how the 30 year old line is played. Yes, at RB it usually spells the end. Lineman are starting to get long in the tooth at that time. QB's and safeties seem to be pretty good well into their 30's. People need to use some perspective here. 30 is not the death of every player out there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, I gonna leave all you mean drunks behind for a while to go hang with a different bunch of mean drunks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM |

Tell your wife and kids I said hi.

(I kid)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk
~~~
Dead-on post. I was contemplating what to write-you wrote it for me.

I like Atogwe, but damn, 26 million for 5years? Unless this contains some McNabb contract-style out, I don't love it, but I do like Atogwe's game.

It's like a forgotten fact that Kareem Moore was a 1st year starter, played okay for a 1st year starter and probably came back too early from the 1st knee surgery. Plus, I believe we drafted him to be strong safety.

As always, Snyder seems to always want to fix the safety position by overdoing it. What is the deal with Snyder and the position of safety?

I'll try to remember them all, but help me out fellas...

1.Matt Bowen
2.Matt Stevens
3.Ify Ohalete
4.Josh Symonette
5.Sam Shade
6.Sean Taylor
7.Laron Landry
8.Chris Horton
9.Kareem Moore
10.Ryan Clark
11.Adam Archuleta
12.Andre Lott
13.Todd Francz
14.Garnet Wilds
15.Pierson Prioleau
16.Reed Doughty
17.O.J. Atogwe

I feel as though I'm missing a few, but that's about 17 safeties in 10 years. I wonder how the rest of the league stacks up.

Needless to point out, but that's almost enough to field a starting team offensively and defensively of just safeties.

The one constant through all of this-Dan Snyder. Perhaps he wanted to be a safety growing up, huh?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse


Dude- why don't you change your handle to "IWearADress"?

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:20 PM |

Dude- why don't you change your handle to "Istalkscampbell1975"?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:22 PM |

------------

scamp

you accused me of the same crap, get over it

Posted by: hessone | March 3, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Tell your wife and kids I said hi.

(I kid)

Posted by: scampbell1975
~~
Awww, that's cold....laughing...:-)

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I always thought OJ was a good fit because he's a pass defender -- which Landry isn't And given how erratic the Skins pass defense has been, he can only help. Kareem Moore is a nice athlete, and Reed Doughty is smart, but nobody thinks either one is ready to hold down that job.

As far as being 30, so what? Just means he's got some maturity. A free agent like that, if you get three good years out of him, you're ahead of most signings. He fills a hole. Somebody had to fill it.

The real question is his health. But when isn't it?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's also not forget that there is no way we were going to pick up a starting FS in the draft and although there are a few good safeties coming available in FA, quite a few of them were strong safeties...something we have plenty of.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm a d0uche that posts with a different handle every night and contributes nothing.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM

Cosign

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

People need to use some perspective here. 30 is not the death of every player out there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse


I am using perspective.

My perspective is that the Redskins are virtually at ground-zero of a rebuilding project and they lack a basic core of foundational players to build around.

30 year old free agents are not exactly players that typically fit into the need.

I'd be much more excited if the news was that we reached a big-time deal to extend LL30 for the next 7-8 years.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

scamp

you accused me of the same crap, get over it


Posted by: hessone | March 3, 2011 8:48 PM |

Dude went back to yesterday to find a nothing post to take a shot at me for...did he do the same for you? No? Anyone else? Nope, I didn't think so.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sor, I take issue with some things in your post...and I can tell you for sure that K. Moore was always a Free Safety prospect...BUT...

Anyone who mentions Garnell Wilds and Sam Shade, relevantly, in a 2011 RI blog post is A-OK by me.

The fact that you called him Garnnet Wilds only makes me like you more.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter signs with Packers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:13 PM |

Didn't take long.

Again I really like the OJ signing.

I hope the CBA gets done.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM

Cosign

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

x2-cosign
Pretty sure its fagobugie

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Sir, not Sor

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter signs with Packers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:13 PM |

Didn't take long.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 8:54 PM

It didn't happen, and Diesel didn't post it.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Mark Carrier

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Richards, James Washington, Mark Carrier, Sam Shade, Adam Archuleta........

Hopefully, Atogwe won't continue the trend of signing FA Safety BUSTS!!!

Posted by: metrosucks100
~~~
I KNEW I was forgetting some!

So now....

1.Matt Bowen
2.Matt Stevens
3.Ify Ohalete
4.Josh Symonette
5.Sam Shade
6.Sean Taylor
7.Laron Landry
8.Chris Horton
9.Kareem Moore
10.Ryan Clark
11.Adam Archuleta
12.Andre Lott
13.Todd Francz
14.Garnet Wilds
15.Pierson Prioleau
16.Reed Doughty
17.O.J. Atogwe
18.Mark Carrier
19.James Washington
20.Stanley Richards (Perhaps, he was here before Snyder bought the team, but I FEEEL as though he was here in the 2000s)
21. Leomont Evans

That's a lot of damn safeties anyway you cut it though.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I am using perspective.

My perspective is that the Redskins are virtually at ground-zero of a rebuilding project and they lack a basic core of foundational players to build around.

30 year old free agents are not exactly players that typically fit into the need.

I'd be much more excited if the news was that we reached a big-time deal to extend LL30 for the next 7-8 years.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:52 PM

Fair enough, and to a certain extent I agree. I don't agree to the extent that we shouldn't draft a 30 year old FS to the exclusion of uprgrading that position. I don't believe that we could draft a starting FS nor pick up one in FA that is a much better. For the record I would have liked to have taken a shot at Eric Weddle instead and I've said as much but I don't hate this signing and for a reasonable price for a guy with his talent level. Here is a list of FA safeties. A lot of which are SS. Which would you prefer over OJ or would you prefer we draft one in the first or second to start?

Quintin Mikell (PHI)
Roman Harper (NO)
Eric Weddle (SD)
Dawan Landry (BAL)
Tanard Jackson (TB)
Bernard Pollard (HOU)
Atari Bigby (GB)
Matt Ware (ARZ)
Haruki Nakamura (BAL)
Tom Zbikowski (BAL)
George Wilson (BUF)
Gerald Alexander (CAR)
Chinedum Ndukwe (CIN)
Gibril Wilson (CIN)
Danieal Manning (CHI)
Abram Elam (CLE)
Sabby Piscitelli (CLE)
Alan Ball (DAL)
Gerald Sensabaugh (DAL)
Charlie Peprah (GB)
Anthony Smith (GB)
Melvin Bullitt (IND)
Sean Considine (JAC)
Tyrell Johnson (MIN)
Husain Abdullah (MIN)
Brandon McGowan (NE)
Jarrad Page (NE)
Darren Sharper (NO)
Michael Johnson (NYG)
Deon Grant (NYG)
Brodney Pool (NYJ)
Eric Smith (NYJ)
Lawyer Milloy (SEA)
Reed Doughty (WAS)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

@ p1funk. Right, forgot all about Carrier...

I wished I felt like looking up the stats and comparing the Redskins to the rest of the NFL on this issue, but I don't-NBC is running an OFFICE marathon.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

11.Adam Archuleta
Got to say one of the most f'n stupid things done during Cerrato/Synder operations …every nfl team new dude was not a FS and exploited his coverage -skills

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975
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Touche' The pickings are SLIM.

The only one off that list that I would consider is Dawan Landry, that's about it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Landry/Atogwe = LL O.J, anchors of the Mama Said Knock You Out defense...they bringin the Boomin System too. HTTR.

Posted by: sporesmoldsandfungus | March 3, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Dude went back to yesterday to find a nothing post to take a shot at me for...did he do the same for you? No? Anyone else? Nope, I didn't think so.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 8:52 PM |

Once upon a time there was a flea floating down the river looking at pics of Brooklyn Decker in a skin mag. Soon he came to a drawbridge ...

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sporesmoldsandfungus | March 3, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I see what you did there.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, no as I look again, Peprah would be cool.

I thought Zbikowski would've played himself onto the field with BAL, but even though Reed was hurt, he didn't.

Again, slim pickings-but don't let Snyder see that list.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Which would you prefer over OJ or would you prefer we draft one in the first or second to start?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

My preference would be to let Kareem Moore and Kevin Barnes compete for the position.

In fairness to Moore, he was a first year starter who was rushed back from knee surgery. Also, assuming that LL30 is going to stay healthy, I don't think Moore will find himself in as many vulnerable positions against the run.

Barnes appears to have the skill set to play FS and acquitted himself pretty well in the limited chances he had.

I don't think either of these young guys got a truly fair shake to win or lose the opportunity to start.

It's a team at a young stage of rebuilding; I'd like to give a fair shot to roll with our own younger draft picks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

11.Adam Archuleta
Got to say one of the most f'n stupid things done during Cerrato/Synder operations …every nfl team new dude was not a FS and exploited his coverage -skills

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 9:05 PM |

Right about the dud, wrong about the done part. The idea to sign the dud was a Grilliams brain fart. There are some hidden away corners at RP where a faint hydorgen sulfide odor still lingers.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign----none btw

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

stop it p1- Kmoore's knee injury isn't the reason he can't tackle and takes terrible angles. Not to mention he's an idiot.

Aww man he cold. He a ballerRT @L0udDeficit: @KMO41AMN wat u think bout O.J. Atogwe ??????


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I think what Reid is trying to say when he writes "others in the organization" wanted McNabb is that Dan Snyder and/or Bruce Allen wanted McNabb -- it's not 100% clear but it's very close to a line. If it turns out that was Snyder well good grief that's a huge bombshell.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I saw-thats 2 on twitter

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 3, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

stop it p1- Kmoore's knee injury isn't the reason he can't tackle and takes terrible angles.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse


A year ago LL30 couldn't tackle and took terrible angles too, good thing we gave him another chance.

So what does Kareem moore need? He's hopeless? This is what we've surmised after 1/2 an injury-riddled year as a starter?

Anyways, you seem to like Kevin Barnes at FS, as well.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm a d0uche that posts with a different handle every night and contributes nothing.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 8:43 PM

Cosign

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 8:51 PM |

Hey, you could be right, at least about the contribution part. For sure, one thing I don't contribute is parroting breaking news wire reports on the blog. And profanity. Or to be more precise, tricked out profanity.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Barnes appears to have the skill set to play FS and acquitted himself pretty well in the limited chances he had.

I don't think either of these young guys got a truly fair shake to win or lose the opportunity to start.

It's a team at a young stage of rebuilding; I'd like to give a fair shot to roll with our own younger draft picks.

Posted by: p1funk
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That's another reason I listed all those safeties-oftentimes the Skins' won't let one get good before piling on with another one.

We seem to do this with wide-receivers also.

Marko Mitchell, Darnerian McCants, Derrius Thompson all showed some promise, but because they didn't immediately turn into all-pros...bye.

Taylor Jacobs was a bust, and Rod Gardner was inconsistent, but did we give them enough time?

Brandon Lloyd didn't immediately become Randy Moss when we signed him so "away with him, let's get some more".

Here comes Kelly and Thomas....

It's a bizarrely run franchise. Pile up Safeties and Wide Receivers and then put em' in each other's way.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@ El Drano and Diesel- this thread is going along too well to let you two muck it up , we all have our points to make...

Diesel, I for one, like the breaking updates

El- I would love to be that flea....I think :-)

Sincerely, Mother Theresa

:-P

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

FYI -

Eric Berry has a 6 year deal w/ Cheifs w/34 million guaranteed, and worth up to $60mill with incentives.

Antrel Rolle signed a 5 year deal worth 37 million w/ Giants. (Similar deal to what Bob Sanders got from Colts a few years back)

Troy Polamalu becomes a free agent after 2011.

So, what do folks anticipate an extension for LL30 is going to cost the Skins?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand if it was Allen who pushed for McNabb, well no surprise there...I think we all know Allen is not skilled in the fine art of roster assemblage. Come to think of it neither is Shanahan....doh!

Bottom line -- we didn't really get what we wanted when we were having our little Burgundy revolution in the fall of 2009.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:24 PM |

Really p1? Comparing LL to KM? LL was playing out of position and as I said repeatedly he would be a pro bowler if he was allowed to do what he did at LSU (playing SS and 10 YDs off of the LOS).

We just added a S and are bringing back the same guys from last YR. One guy has to go and it's between Moore and Horton. So take your pick. Keep in mind that Horton is solid on teams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It's one injury that he's been getting over. He tore his pectoral 5-6 games into the 2009 season. When he came to training camp in 2010, they decided the pec didn't heal properly/fully, so they IRed him on the spot and he got surgery #2.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 8:30 PM

I think the original injury was the left pec and the second injury was the right pec. Seriously.

ArmchairGM, don't forgot Omar Stoutmire.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Really p1? Comparing LL to KM? LL was playing out of position and as I said repeatedly he would be a pro bowler if he was allowed to do what he did at LSU (playing SS and 10 YDs off of the LOS).

We just added a S and are bringing back the same guys from last YR. One guy has to go and it's between Moore and Horton. So take your pick. Keep in mind that Horton is solid on teams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse


What I'm doing is pointing out the short-sightedness of bailing on a guy b/c he had one bad year - especially when it was his first year as a starter and the team acknowledged that they rushed him back from injury.

He was all the rage in training camp and preseason...then he got injured. Then he got rushed back without being fully healed and played a good chunk of the season without LL30 in front of him to help mop up the run.

I don;t think Kareem Moore is going to be a Pro-Bowler, but c'mon Diez. You've got enough sense to understand circumstances working against a guy and what constitutes a "fair shot".

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

MikeSimsWalker MIKE SIMS-WALKER
by Russellmania09
its official, I personally wanna thank all the fans who stuck with me in jacksonville for the last 4 years but sorry to say my time is up!!

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

My preference would be to let Kareem Moore and Kevin Barnes compete for the position.

In fairness to Moore, he was a first year starter who was rushed back from knee surgery. Also, assuming that LL30 is going to stay healthy, I don't think Moore will find himself in as many vulnerable positions against the run.

Barnes appears to have the skill set to play FS and acquitted himself pretty well in the limited chances he had.

I don't think either of these young guys got a truly fair shake to win or lose the opportunity to start.

It's a team at a young stage of rebuilding; I'd like to give a fair shot to roll with our own younger draft picks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

You mean the LBs and DLs we draft. Cool.

Fair points, but I think you're making a better argument for young, hungry, and as yet unproven depth behind a proven veteran entering what might be the back end of his prime. Which is what we get with this signing. Good thing too, to whit Ed Reed at 31-32.

Isn't that something good to great teams have at key positions?

Only 7-9 more positions to go for this good kind of problem (having youngens that might well start behind a proven vet) before we turn this Titanic around…but we gotta start somewhere.

Good signing at the right price. Weren't y'all crowing about signing Rogers and Moss to something like this contract? I guess we need to see how it's distributed.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

So, what do folks anticipate an extension for LL30 is going to cost the Skins?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:33 PM |

Some skin.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@ El Drano and Diesel- this thread is going along too well to let you two muck it up , we all have our points to make...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 9:32 PM |

Okay, so I apologize for being mean to zcest1 and scampbell1975. But I never used profanity. On the other hand, Diesel44 attacked me, saying I was a d0uche, using alternative characters to get around the profanity filter. That's pretty bad behavior on his part. He needs to do some pologizing as well. Good night.

PS - just for the record, I ain't going to be showing up in the future posting under no alt IDs as some may think.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 3, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM, don't forgot Omar Stoutmire.

Posted by: dcsween
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Damn, another one....

Let's go again...

1.Matt Bowen
2.Matt Stevens
3.Ify Ohalete
4.Josh Symonette
5.Sam Shade
6.Sean Taylor
7.Laron Landry
8.Chris Horton
9.Kareem Moore
10.Ryan Clark
11.Adam Archuleta
12.Andre Lott
13.Todd Francz
14.Garnet Wilds
15.Pierson Prioleau
16.Reed Doughty
17.O.J. Atogwe
18.Mark Carrier
19.James Washington
20.Stanley Richards (Perhaps, he was here before Snyder bought the team, but I FEEEL as though he was here in the 2000s)
21. Leomont Evans
22. Omar Stoutmire

Ten years-22 safeties...it has to be some sort of record...has to....ridiculous.

I wonder if ANY team has had that much player turnover at ANY position over the same length.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

You mean the LBs and DLs we draft. Cool.

Fair points, but I think you're making a better argument for young, hungry, and as yet unproven depth behind a proven veteran entering what might be the back end of his prime. Which is what we get with this signing. Good thing too, to whit Ed Reed at 31-32.

Isn't that something good to great teams have at key positions?

Only 7-9 more positions to go for this good kind of problem (having youngens that might well start behind a proven vet) before we turn this Titanic around…but we gotta start somewhere.

Good signing at the right price. Weren't y'all crowing about signing Rogers and Moss to something like this contract? I guess we need to see how it's distributed.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

So we just gave a 5 year contract to a guy that you acknowledge is entering the end of his prime, and you think that's a good signing at the right price for a team in total rebuild mode?

Not following the logic there.

A team that is rebuilding does not have a wealth of proven veteran players with a stable of young hungry developments projects behind them.

If a team had that makeup, then it wouldn't be "rebuilding". It would be "reloading" - the way the Pats, Colts and Eagles have done over the past decade.

A team that is rebuilding has a select core of young talented players that can be molded together and, once established, you continue to add pieces around it through draft and select veteran FAs.

Once again, I submit the following question to the blog:

How much should we ultimately spend on our secondary?

DHall - $50 mill
Atogwe - $26 mill
LL30 - FA after this year.
CB #2 -

Keep in mind that the highest paid safties in the NFL are currently making about $7mill/season.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Like many here, I like this signing. If we get LB and D-line squared away, we could have one wicked, turn-over machine for a defense.

Now, about that offense...

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@ ElDrano

~~~
It's all good, man.

Some of the dust-ups on these threads can be vicious, I try to do my part to keep a mutha from being shot-some of you jokers are dangerous!

:-P.

Now, let me see if I have this down, Scamp and Mattsound....

Beep-beep

Jump ball: What if the Wizards hadn't traded the 5th pick in the 2009 draft?
By Washington Post editors

In last night's postgame wrap-up, Michael Lee brought up a provocative point. The Warriors' Stephen Curry scorched the Wizards with 29 points, nine rebounds and five assists.

If you recall, Curry thought that the Wizards were going to take him with the 5th overall pick in the 2009 NBA draft before they shipped the pick to Minnesota for Randy Foye and Mike Miller. "That was definitely a spot that was on my radar," Curry said last season after his first game against the Wizards. ...
But whenever you see Curry, you have to take a step back and wonder, what if. As in, what if the Wizards had taken a different philosophy two years ago and decided to add some talented young players, in Curry and DeJuan Blair, to their veteran core instead of just getting two established players. They were able to recover and get Wall last summer, but would you rather just have Wall or some combination of Curry, Blair and a top five pick from the 2005 NBA draft....DeMarcus Cousins? Wesley Johnson? Just something to ponder.
What do you think? Should the Wizards have taken a different path?

Now, I know this is a Skins' thread, but I wanted to test this out and see if I nailed it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Troy Vincent blocked that FG against Dallas that ST21 returned to set up the game winning FG as time expired agains Dallas 11-05-06.

Safety Troy Vincent.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe - $26 mill

Keep in mind that the highest paid safties in the NFL are currently making about $7mill/season.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:05 PM

Math check. Atogwe made something like $8M or $9M after being tagged twice. $26M is not a single season payout. [Also, I agree that D Hall is overpaid.]

btw, Atogwe is not THAT old. He's from the same draft class as Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell. Those two aren't necessarily move around on walkers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Damn!!!

1.Matt Bowen
2.Matt Stevens
3.Ify Ohalete
4.Josh Symonette
5.Sam Shade
6.Sean Taylor
7.Laron Landry
8.Chris Horton
9.Kareem Moore
10.Ryan Clark
11.Adam Archuleta
12.Andre Lott
13.Todd Francz
14.Garnet Wilds
15.Pierson Prioleau
16.Reed Doughty
17.O.J. Atogwe
18.Mark Carrier
19.James Washington
20.Stanley Richards (Perhaps, he was here before Snyder bought the team, but I FEEEL as though he was here in the 2000s)
21. Leomont Evans
22. Omar Stoutmire
23. Troy Vincent

No wonder I can't remember all of them!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess the question becomes, who DIDN'T play safety for us in the Snyder years?

Hey, did I do the beep-beep right?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:05 PM

Math check. Atogwe made something like $8M or $9M after being tagged twice. $26M is not a single season payout. [Also, I agree that D Hall is overpaid.]

btw, Atogwe is not THAT old. He's from the same draft class as Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell. Those two aren't necessarily move around on walkers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse


Atogwe's franchise tender from the Rams 2 years ago was $6.34 mill.

Last year his tender would have been close to $7mill (6.9 something), but he didn't sign that and instead negotiated a contract. The Rams released him b/c he was due $8mill this year and they did not want to pay him that.


BTW - I do not want to re-sign Carlos Rogers, nor would I include him or Campbell in any of my rebuilding projects.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Several on the list are prior to Snyder but one you forgot is Vernon Fox

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 3, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sims-Walker anyone?

I say yes. He’s only 26 and with his 7 TDs in 09 and 10, he would have lead our team. He can also fly evident by his 4.35 at the combine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, Vernon Fox....that's it, I give up.

...screw it...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

More interested in Jacoby Jones.

Sims-Walker is going to want to be treated close to a #1 WR, but he's not one, IMO.

Jones is more of a #2 guy and, I think, will be easier to negotiate with in that fashion.

We can get our #1 guy next year when Justin Blackmon comes out...

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

So we just gave a 5 year contract to a guy that you acknowledge is entering the end of his prime, and you think that's a good signing at the right price for a team in total rebuild mode?

Not following the logic there.

A team that is rebuilding does not have a wealth of proven veteran players with a stable of young hungry developments projects behind them.

If a team had that makeup, then it wouldn't be "rebuilding". It would be "reloading" - the way the Pats, Colts and Eagles have done over the past decade.

A team that is rebuilding has a select core of young talented players that can be molded together and, once established, you continue to add pieces around it through draft and select veteran FAs.

Once again, I submit the following question to the blog:

How much should we ultimately spend on our secondary?

DHall - $50 mill
Atogwe - $26 mill
LL30 - FA after this year.
CB #2 -

Keep in mind that the highest paid safties in the NFL are currently making about $7mill/season.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Right. We're paying more like $5 mill/season for a guy who is still in his prime, just not at the start of his prime.

As evidenced by guys like Dawkins (and the argument that guys like Shawn Springs, Champ Bailey, and Fred Smoot should convert to FS because they've gotten old and lost a step), 29-33/34 may not be that old for a high-performance FS. In fact, that would make him in his prime, but at the back end of his prime. I mean, it's not like we're signing a 33 year old FS at $8 million per year, making him the highest paid at his position.

That would be reloading. Could be a lot worse.

Did we just add a massive upgrade to our secondary? Yes. Do I give a damn what we're paying our total secondary when we're $42 million under the projected cap? No. You're acting like this is 2007 and Sam Mendes is one burrito away from a coronary because we're $.05 from being over the salary cap and because Vinny Cerrato is his boss. For the next 5 years. Relax, funky baby.

Does this mean that we have at least 2 options that could suffice as young middle of the pack starters backing up our starting FS should he go down? Yes. A plus in my book. That makes Barnes, Moore, Doughty, and Horton as back up safeties. Solid.

You should be more worried about what we're doing at CB. This signing does not handcuff us in that regard.

You're pimping this "total rebuild" like it's 1997 and it takes 3-5 years to do it. I think we can do it in 1-3 years, and signings like this do nothing but help the cause.


Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sims-Walker anyone?

I say yes. He’s only 26 and with his 7 TDs in 09 and 10, he would have lead our team. He can also fly evident by his 4.35 at the combine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 10:26 PM

On the surface, I'd say bring him in. But what's under the surface. Why would the Jags let him go?

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sims-Walker anyone?

I say yes. He’s only 26 and with his 7 TDs in 09 and 10, he would have lead our team. He can also fly evident by his 4.35 at the combine.


Posted by: Diesel44
~~~~
Hell yeah. Signing him means that we won't have that our usual WR itch to scratch in the draft, we would HOPEFULLY concentrate on our lines and linebackers.

Plus, he's been what we thought M.Kelly would be....productive

And he doesn't spend a bunch of time in the shop injured.

The Jags are foolish if they let him get away.

Totally in favor of that signing, even if the team overpaid a lil' bit.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sims-Walker anyone?

I say yes. He’s only 26 and with his 7 TDs in 09 and 10, he would have lead our team. He can also fly evident by his 4.35 at the combine.

Posted by: Diesel44

Dude is hot/cold and was my FF kryptonite last year. Looks good on paper, but not sold on him in person.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Nice, with Moore we might have some depth up there finally.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 3, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

No more talky-talky. I leave you with a picture of p1 and his new horse. Night everyone.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_tDN_Wrpj11I/SoX-a0rFfWI/AAAAAAAAAO4/miXWH16ii1w/A%20Gift%20Horse%5B50%5D.jpg

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

The point is that he's going to be exiting his prime at some point over the next 5 years. We can reasonably agree to that. Sure, folks like to throw around Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins (not that he's helped the Broncos win anything), but it's not a reasonably fair expectation to say "hey, let's assume this guy is going to parallel the exceptional standouts at his position/age".

So when we are in rebuild mode, he's likely going to be exiting his prime at around the same time that the rest of the team is entering it.

Then what...

When we could, very well, go ahead and try to continue to develop one of our younger prospects with real PT and have a better chance that they'll be entering their prime when the rest of the team is as well...and doing it at a cheaper clip.

And you should care about how much we are spending on our secondary.

LL30 is going to cost a boatload of cash if we want to keep him. Assuming he has the great season, we all expect, he's going to demand a contract at least equal to Eric Berry and probably in line with what Polamalu is going to make.

Once you spend the money it's gone, and we've got about 11-12 starting positions to fill out on this squad including entire units like 3-4 positions on our Oline and a #1 and #2 WR.

We've already got a pricey playmaking CB and a soon-to-be pricey playmaking SS. How much more do we need to invest in the secondary while Anthony Armstrong is the best WR on our roster?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

More interested in Jacoby Jones.

Sims-Walker is going to want to be treated close to a #1 WR, but he's not one, IMO.

Jones is more of a #2 guy and, I think, will be easier to negotiate with in that fashion.

We can get our #1 guy next year when Justin Blackmon comes out...

Posted by: p1funk
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Jones is a good player, but he's a better KR/PR than a WR and we already have BB.

You're right Sims-Walker is more of a lead WR, that's why I believe he would be a better fit, plus he's already used to playing with a mediocre, so-so, sometimey QB in Garrard.

Jacoby Jones, like Kevin Walter, is used to playing off Andre Johnson, but Sims-Walker got his numbers basically by himself.

Adding MSW to Santana and Anthony would be a solid move for us.

Perhaps, he allows us to ease 'brittle-kandy' Kelly back into the mix while providing some "get your isht together" motivation for Kelly as well.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

So when we are in rebuild mode, he's likely going to be exiting his prime at around the same time that the rest of the team is entering it.

Then what…

Then if the guys we have backing him up are any good, we've resigned them to reasonable contracts and start them if/when
Antogwe leaves/fails. Again, need the details of this new contract.

It's not an either/or proposition. Barnes and Moore can grow with this team and start at some point down the line. I don't see other teams chasing these guys at any point soon; if they do, trade them for future picks.

True, I was being cavalier about what we're investing in our secondary. We have a lot of other positions of need, including WR. But we did not break the bank on this guy. I see a break from recent history, which is in and of itself encouraging.

But we do need some good vets on our squad, and I just don't see a better FS on our roster or in rounds 4-7 of this draft. Do you?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

We can get our #1 guy next year when Justin Blackmon comes out...

Posted by: p1funk

Who do the Skins want Justin Blackmon or Andrew Luck? I can't keep up.

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Goodnight for reals, peeps. See you tomorrow, p1.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 3, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Once you spend the money it's gone, and we've got about 11-12 starting positions to fill out on this squad including entire units like 3-4 positions on our Oline and a #1 and #2 WR.

by p1funk
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Exactly, that's why the O-line is so sorry. We keep doing stuff like having the world's most expensive secondary, so some other position is going to get squeezed, like the O-line.

Again, I like Atogwe, but at some point we can't have every pricey goody in the store. Logan Mankins is close to war with the Pats, let's try to un-ass him from them.

Sounding like a broken record, but K.Moore wasn't so awful, that a safety should be the 1st FA signing for us.

We need to be about the business of plucking some teams' young interior O-linemen, more than worrying about our secondary.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Peace out, Romo, we'll do it again tomorrow.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

My preference would be to let Kareem Moore and Kevin Barnes compete for the position.

In fairness to Moore, he was a first year starter who was rushed back from knee surgery. Also, assuming that LL30 is going to stay healthy, I don't think Moore will find himself in as many vulnerable positions against the run.

Barnes appears to have the skill set to play FS and acquitted himself pretty well in the limited chances he had.

I don't think either of these young guys got a truly fair shake to win or lose the opportunity to start.

It's a team at a young stage of rebuilding; I'd like to give a fair shot to roll with our own younger draft picks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 9:10 PM

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I was high on Kareem Moore coming out of college but he was injured then and injured again. He took poor angles, tackled poorly, and will be, at best, a good backup. As far as Barnes goes, well, he's a CB. We've got enough guys playing out of position and there's no guarantee that he'll be any good. And who, besides the coach, can he learn from? No one (until now.) Not a solution. If these guys are young talent then they can only benefit from Atogwe being on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I have a nickname for Landry/Atogowe

"Fuc Him Up/Take the Ball"

Whadaya think?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's profootballoutsiders on the Skins QB situation etc:

"The Redskins can buy McNabb out of his impending contract extension for $3.75 million,. an option they'll undoubtedly elect to take. Backup Rex Grossman was not the answer, either: His -19.4% passing DVOA was far worse than McNabb, who put up a 0.1% DVOA before being benched."

"Even if the Redskins do draft a quarterback...don't expect Mike Shanahan to start a rookie from Day One...With the team likely to run a variant of the West Coast offense, there are three available veteran quarterbacks that could step in with experience in the scheme. One is Kolb, but it's hard to imagine the Redskins trading more draft picks for yet another Eagles quarterback after the Eagles failure. That leaves them with two unrestricted free agents. Matt Hasselbeck's contract with the Seahawks is up, and Seattle will likely choose to go with Charlie Whitehurst or a drafted quarterback of their own. Hasselbeck had a -9.8% DVOA last year while struggling with injuries, but the Redskins would provide him with the best offensive line he's played behind since the halcyon days of Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson."

"The other candidate with significant experience in the West Coast offense? We hesitate to say his name for fear that he'll appear again. Let's just say he holds a lot of records, is really fond of one particular brand of jeans, and recently retired again. Few organizations would be willing to take on the sort of circus that he brings to the table, and even fewer teams would actually get an upgrade from his likely level of play. The Redskins are perhaps the only organization who would fit in both categories, and with Brett Favre, retirement is just a state of mind. Oops."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Sounding like a broken record, but K.Moore wasn't so awful, that a safety should be the 1st FA signing for us.

We need to be about the business of plucking some teams' young interior O-linemen, more than worrying about our secondary.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding. Moore was horrible. Re-watch the Packers game. Re watch both Philly games. Just for laughs throw in the Bears game.

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Landry is gonna cost bank to keep.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

What about Chris Horton?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

What about Chris Horton?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 11:11 PM

What about him? He's another strong safety.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Good signing. Now they need to go get Cullen Jenkins from GB to shore up the DE spot.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 3, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"Hasselbeck had a -9.8% DVOA last year while struggling with injuries, but the Redskins would provide him with the best offensive line he's played behind since the halcyon days of Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson."

I thought the Redskins had/have one of the worst offensive lines in the league?

Hmmm....

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the Skins' problems on offense don't stem from the o-line. Look behind the center to see where everything originates.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

blessedskins Oshiomogho Atogwe
With all due respect, I will not be rocking nor even asking to rock 21...

Won't be wearing 21. This guy is not only a playmaker, but all class.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I have a nickname for Landry/Atogowe

"Fuc Him Up/Take the Ball"

Whadaya think?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 11:08 PM |

Roge -

That's gonna make an awesome T-shirt!

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how some of you are mad. We just signed OJ Atogwe!
- Great football player
- Better than what we currently have
- Not over the hill
- Not a doosh (as far as I know)
- We didn't throw money at him like FA's in the past

And why are some of you talking about 2013? I understand it's a rebuild, but cherish the moment here. At least we actually made a good signing, be happy!

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Good signing, now go get Robert Gallery.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 4, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

We need a night shift on RI!

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 1:06 AM | Report abuse

ddrcoaster, good call. We used to have a night shift up here. Crickets, and our man kost in Australia, and some other dudes who kept it rolling overnight. Those were the days.

An exciting offseason is usually enough to get things moving up here again. Fingers crossed that that's what we get. As long as "exciting" doesn't mean setting the table for another sucky season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 4, 2011 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully more non flashy signings to come in the near future, so far I'm loving this offseason!

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Speak of the devil! I reckon it's been well over I year since I've been on here!

Posted by: kost52 | March 4, 2011 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Bangkok Ben is another who used to do the night shift, not sure if he's still around or not.

Posted by: kost52 | March 4, 2011 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Awwww yeah.

Welcome to DC, Mr. Atogwe. We've been awaiting your arrival.

I know some up here don't like the signing, but the only thing I don't like about it is that it didn't happen LAST offseason. Looks to me like we got him for a fair, market value price and considering we haven't seen the guaranteed money yet, it's probably not much...which means if it's not working after a couple years, we can cut ties with minimal damage to the cap. Good to see us making moves like a REAL organization for a change...

Now the question becomes what number will he wear...I see there was quite a bit of debate over whether he should keep his #21 at the expense of our dearly departed Sean Taylor. In my mind, the team has done right by ST at every turn...they put him in the ring of honor, set up a display in his honor in the stadium, and seem to have done right by his family. To me, the team's stance on numbers has always been lame...either retire a number or don't. This taking stuff outta circulation is stupid and they need to sh*t or get off the pot when it comes to that. If we retired the number of every damn player to play in a SB or a Pro-Bowl, we'd have more retired numbers than the Celtics. ST was on pace to be great, but in all actuality had only one great year for us...and even that was cut short by his tragic demise.

Nobody's worn #21 for 3 years now. Hardly anyone on that '07 team is left, particularly his "U" buddies Portis and Moss. Time to turn the page and free up that jersey number.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Good signing. Now they need to go get Jamal Williams...solid veteran NT who's from the DC area and would probably come at a reasonable price to man the most important spot in our defense until we can draft one.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 3, 2011 11:23 PM


There...fixed it for ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 5:33 AM | Report abuse

Time to turn the page and free up that jersey number.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 5:25 AM

I agree. ST is a sad story of a life that was ended too soon, but keeping his number on the shelf isn't going to make the story have a happy ending. Nothing can do that.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Exactly Beep...maybe it's just me, but I have a more stingent code for what constitutes permanently enshrining a guy's number. Whatever the code is, I can't imagine how playing less than 4 years and making 2 Pro Bowls can meet it. Retiring Sammy Baugh's and Darrell Green's are no-brainers to me...beyond that, it's kinda iffy IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse


NFL Network
Atogwe signing helps Redskins

Frank Tadych


With holes to fill all over the roster, the bottom line is the Redskins got better with the signing of free agent free safety O.J. Atogwe on Thursday. The Redskins are expected to pair Atogwe, who was predominantly a free safety in six seasons with the Rams, with strong safety LaRon Landry.

“They were the worst tackling secondary in football,” says NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger of the move. ”Atogwe is a play-maker, and also a good tackler. It’s a very good signing for Washington. I think he’s a very good player, a smart player and a crafty player. He’s active, has a good knack for putting his helmet on the ball.”

By one count, Atogwe, 29, has accounted for the third-most turnovers (16 forced fumbles, 21 interceptions) in the NFL since the start of the 2006 season, behind only Charles Woodson (43) and Ed Reed (39). With an unheralded crop at the position when the free agent market opens and what is widely considered a week draft class at safety – top prospect Rahim Moore of UCLA might not go until the second round — the Redskins moved quickly.

At the very least, the Redskins got a player they’re familiar with — Atogwe played three seasons (2006-08) for defensive coordinator Jim Haslett when he held the same title in St. Louis.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Um, I meant to say "stringent"...looks like this flu is still effecting my brain...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 6:29 AM | Report abuse

What about Chris Horton?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2011 11:11 PM

What about him? He's another strong safety.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

And not that good either. He got very lucky in his rookie season. The interceptions he got came from the ball flying straight into his hands. He didn't break on the pass route, make any ground or show an elite sense of positioning in the rest of the games he played. He got lucky on a grand total of 3-occasions.

The fact that he caught all 3 puts him a step ahead of Carlos Rogers in the hands department but he is nothing more than a journeyman strong safety.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 4, 2011 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Atogwe is Moore what Skins need

By: John Keim 03/03/11 8:05 PM

During the summer, the storyline seemed plausible: The Redskins had two young safeties who were bonding and would develop into playmakers. LaRon Landry lived up to that billing.
Kareem Moore did not.

And that's why O.J. Atogwe is in Washington today. The Redskins signed Atogwe to a five-year deal worth a reported $26 million. He's never made a Pro Bowl, and he might not be a top-10 safety. But he is solid.

"We definitely needed a safety," Redskins defensive end Vonnie Holliday said. "He works hard and is a smart player.

Perhaps Moore would have developed. But he showed no signs of great improvement in his first season as a starter, slowed by a bad knee that required surgery in August. That didn't help. But that also wasn't the reason he took numerous bad angles in run support, nor could it explain all the missed tackles. And durability remains an issue.

Atogwe, an OK tackler, is a ballhawk with 22 career interceptions (though only five in the past two seasons). It stems from his instincts, which, paired with cornerback DeAngelo Hall, give Washington two such players in the secondary. Atogwe's instincts are excellent.

But how much of an upgrade is this for the defense? It's an improvement at safety, but until the Redskins find a nose tackle and improve the pass rush at linebacker, it will be a second-tier unit.

However, there could be limited ways to get better this offseason if there's an extended lockout and free agency is affected. The Redskins jumped when they had their first chance at improvement. Their next opportunity may not come for a while.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/cheers-jeers/2011/03/atogwe-moore-what-skins-need##ixzz1Fd70wXn7

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Great signing the people complaining are the same d-bags that complain about everything, so F-them.

Moore was terrible and he can now learn from a veteran that knows how to play the position.

Barnes is a CB not a FS

I guarantee this contract was structured in the Redskins favor because Bruce knows how to write contracts unlike the former crew.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 6:40 AM | Report abuse

And not that good either. He got very lucky in his rookie season. The interceptions he got came from the ball flying straight into his hands. He didn't break on the pass route, make any ground or show an elite sense of positioning in the rest of the games he played. He got lucky on a grand total of 3-occasions.

The fact that he caught all 3 puts him a step ahead of Carlos Rogers in the hands department but he is nothing more than a journeyman strong safety.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 4, 2011 6:35 AM


Only a partial co-sign here...his rookie year, his two INT game was a fluke because both picks came on tipped passes that literally fell into his hands. He had one great read in the Dallas game and he baited Romo into a pick...that play actually led to a score and set us up for an upset win in Dallas. But your point is still taken...one great read in 3 years isn't something to write home about. I'm actually a bit surprised he made the roster this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know anything about the two defensive linemen that were cut by the Broncos, seems to me they were cut because Fox is going back to a 4-3 not because they couldn't play.

Is one of those guys a NT?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I guarantee this contract was structured in the Redskins favor because Bruce knows how to write contracts unlike the former crew.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 6:40 AM


Exactly...plus it's a good sign if the agent isn't crowing about the guaranteed money...likely means that there isn't much. Low risk/high reward signing...I don't see how anyone can hate this move...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know anything about the two defensive linemen that were cut by the Broncos, seems to me they were cut because Fox is going back to a 4-3 not because they couldn't play.

Is one of those guys a NT?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 6:49 AM


Yessir...Jamal Williams (did I mention he's a DC native?) was a Pro-Bowl NT for years in SD before his one-and-done in Denver. Should be another relatively low-cost/high reward signing for the Skins if he's healthy.

He is an older player (about 34, I think)...but for a year or two, he can man that spot until we can draft a guy. This could at least free us up to go OLB/QB or QB/OLB in the draft this year if necessary.

As for Bannan, he's a nice piece at DE...if I'm not mistaken, he played DE/OLB for the Ravens as well, so he's a versatile player that's a great fit in the 3-4. I'd kick his tires, but I think there may be some injury concerns there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Not only is this a good signing...but it gives us a free agent "tease" until we really open the floodgates...

Landry/Otogowe....

"ARM and HAMMER"...

Yes....gimme some on that one!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 4, 2011 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Love this guy...

Is Alexander the answer?

By: John Keim 03/02/11 11:20 AM


The chatter doesn't bother him because he knows he'll get a shot. So let the Redskins talk about wanting a pass-rushing linebacker opposite Brian Orakpo -- coach Mike Shanahan put it atop his list. Let them even draft one or sign one in free agency. Lorenzo Alexander has a plan that he says can help solve the Redskins' pass-rushing woes.

It involves himself, of course.

But it also involves losing weight, doing MMA training and applying lessons learned in his first year at linebacker.

If the Redskins don't draft a linebacker ... and there's limited free agency ... and they can't find another pass-rusher, then Alexander's plan could provide him chances at the position. Will it be enough? Don't know. But Alexander hopes that's the case.


Alexander, who started 11 games this season, said he's already lost at least 10 pounds -- he's between 255-260 now -- just doing Pilates, P90X, riding his bike and watching his diet. He'll soon start doing MMA training with ex-Redskin linebacker Eddie Mason.

"Fighters have great stamina," Alexander said. "I'll see if I can bring another couple extra gears to my game. That's what I'm trying to do, working on leverage and pass rush. I wasn't playing any third downs at the end; I have to prove I'm able to do it."

Washington's problem is that the best pass-rushing linebacker in the draft is Von Miller and he'll likely be gone by the tenth pick. The best pass-rushers in free agency -- assuming it occurs this year -- will be tough to get because teams don't let players like that leave without a big fight.

But what Alexander doesn't want is a heavy load again. Last season he also played almost all of the special teams. Hamstring issues plagued him late in 2010, too, and he appeared to wear down.


"At some point we have to make a decision either you have me play special teams or play outside linebacker," Alexander said. "I was always fatigued. Whatever I do, I'll excel at it. But I can't do everything."

What he's not doing is worrying about a possible replacement in the starting lineup.

"If they decide to draft a guy or bring someone in, I can't worry about that," Alexander said. "I'll continue to cut my weight so I'm more explosive and faster. I'll get opportunities so it's really up to me."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/03/alexander-answer##ixzz1FdFnMKP5

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Frank Tadych - "With an unheralded crop at the position when the free agent market opens and what is widely considered a week draft class at safety – top prospect Rahim Moore of UCLA might not go until the second round — the Redskins moved quickly."

This signing makes us better AND eliminates the ugly prospect of the Redskins drafting this kid and setting up a heated abreviated training camp position battle between Kareem and Rahim Moore at FS. Nobody needed that.

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 4, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Good get. I think Kareem could improve this year but OJ is the better option, and the price looks reasonable. Nothing wrong with quality depth. Might be a tough fit for reed at this point.

Posted by: AdamCr | March 4, 2011 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Landry/Otogowe....

"ARM and HAMMER"...

Yes....gimme some on that one!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 4, 2011 7:08 AM


Maybe I'm slow this morning, but I don't even see the correlation...just off the top of my head, "Gin and Juice" would be better...but that only plays on O.J.'s name and not so much Landry's...

My vote is to wait for these guys to EARN a nickname based on their play on the field instead of their potential on paper and/or their high Madden ratings...just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Brown,

34 is a little old but if you can get him on the cheap he might be able to help develop the next NT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Might be a tough fit for reed at this point.

Posted by: AdamCr | March 4, 2011 7:17 AM


How? Doughty should be a backup SS anyway. So you roll with Atogwe/Moore as your FSs and Landry/Doughty as your SSs. Looks like a nice depth chart, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Brown,

34 is old but if we can get him for cheap he might be able to help develop the next NT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to seeing the secondary next year.

He elected not to wear 21, that means he understands and respects the fanbase.

I already love this guy.

With help like that over the top imagine what Landry and Hall are going to do.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Guys we have a nose tackle named Anthony Bryant.

Also I would like to see Rob Jax get some rotation at OLG.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Right Flound...dude played all 16 games last season after losing 2009 to injury so he should be a good get at least for 2011. Good locker room guy, great experience, seems to have all the intangibles...hope we can reel him in for a good price. If Williams, Atogwe, and Jacoby Jones are the only FAs we sign all year, I'd be OK with that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

edskins sign safety O.J. Atogwe

Was against it, now I'm for it.

So which S is about to be shown the door:

K Moore

C Horton

M Harris

R Doughty

Final point: it looks like the FO intended to sign both Shaun Rogers AND Otogwe.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Free Agency is over for now, as is all NFL business if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Moe- Shaun Rogers is gross...and stupid.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see that the Chargers got Bob Sanders? I'm stunned they even kicked his tires...they tend to stay away from FA like it's the plague. If he can stay healthy (and that's a BIG if), that's a great get for them...

ih8, what have you seen in AB that would lead you to believe he's worth making the centerpiece of our D? I like him in rotation as a key backup, but at best he's still got a lot to prove...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Final point: it looks like the FO intended to sign both Shaun Rogers AND Otogwe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:29 AM


I'm not being a smart ass but actually asking you to show your work on this one...how do you figure the FO "intended to sign both Shaun Rogers AND Atogwe"? Atogwe I get, but what makes you think Rogers?

Oh, and Horton is the odd man out...book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"Gin and Juice" would be better...but that only plays on O.J.'s name and not so much Landry's...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:18 AM

Right. "Dirty Juice."

I hate these contrived nicknames. Nicknames occur spontaneously or they don't work.

Remember how many times Jasno (a spontaneous nickname started by Nate) tried to invent a nickname for Vinny? Nothing stuck but Vinny.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

...how do you figure the FO "intended to sign both Shaun Rogers AND Atogwe"?


You can say the skins intended to sign Shaun Rogers because when he signed with the Saints he said he could've made more money with another team, but chose to go to a team that wins.

And the redskins were the only other team he visited.

Putting the puzzle together is just that easy, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Rogers is gross...and stupid.

A NT rotation of A Bryant, Shaun Rogers, and a rookie is what makes sense.

Presently, A Bryant is the only true NT and effective we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

The Nigerian connection….Orakpo and Atogwe

Posted by: kingpenn1 | March 4, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I hate these contrived nicknames. Nicknames occur spontaneously or they don't work.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 7:43 AM


Co-sign. "Dirtbags" never caught on, neither did "Area 51". Success leads to nicknames, and we haven't had enough to warrant any good ones.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Free Agency is over for now, as is all NFL business if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 7:30 AM |

Not true FA really hasn't begun yet, the guys that are out there now were cut so they can be signed by any team until the CBA ends which is not until 12:00 tonight. The experts are saying that will be pushed back 7-10 more days, so the players that were cut can still be signed by other teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

You can say the skins intended to sign Shaun Rogers because when he signed with the Saints he said he could've made more money with another team, but chose to go to a team that wins.

And the redskins were the only other team he visited.

Putting the puzzle together is just that easy, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:44 AM


Ok, gotcha. But the Skins and Saints weren't his only suitors...he talked to the Chiefs and I think there was some mild interest from Houston (who's switching to a 3-4). Of all those teams, seems to me the Skins would be the most likely of them all to offer up a $6 million contract...but it's all moot at this point since he's now a Saint.

My hope is that we get Jamal Williams...doesn't have the injury history or red flags that Rogers has anyway, so he might just be the better signing if we can pull it off. He'll likely come cheaper, too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

A nice signing and a good match for this team.

I like this signing especially because the Cowboys were eye-ing him as well.

Definitely fills a big hole in the secondary.

Now I hope they keep Rogers (at a reasonable price) and move him to nickle and sign Asomugha. Secondary repaired in 2 moves for probably the next 5-10 years.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 4, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

re-post

A NT rotation of A Bryant, Shaun Rogers, and a rookie is what makes sense.


It sure does.

As more teams play the 3-4, the market and value for nose tackles will creep up.

Colleges have signalled the change in philosophy as the high number of very athletic defensive lineman in the draft suggests teams decided to converth their best athletic big high school kids to defenders, not pass blockers.

And hese guys aren't just fat tubs of goo: if you ever watch defensive line play, nose tackles today often drift back into coverage.

And when you're doing that with guys who weight 320 pounds, you need more than one: 3 is nice if that can all play.

And presently, all we got is one in Bryant.

Again: we need to come out of this draft with a NT and DE.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I hate these contrived nicknames:

talent_evaluator

beep-beep

FrancoBegbie

ElDrano

...am I missing any?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I just saw a mock draft that had us trading back to 18th with the Chargers and getting there 2nd round pick. That would not be bad loosing 8 spots in the 1st to pick up another 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle
of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE
?

Moe?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I hate these contrived nicknames:

talent_evaluator

beep-beep

FrancoBegbie

ElDrano

...am I missing any?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:06 AM

Yeah, gimmesummoe.

Sorry dude...you left yourself open for that one.

Co-sign on the NT take...the more you've got, the better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I was ecstatic when I saw this last night, I almost droppped my sock!!!

Seriously, this solidifies our Safety position. Landry can rome the line of scrimmage, and Doughty is a decent backup at SS, his problem was trying to be a FS.

O.J. gives us a decent tackler and 'angel' in the defensive backfield, hopefully no more 'double move' jokes up in here for a while! Moore I think can be a solid backup, he's young and can still be coached up. He needs to go back to the fundamentals of tackling!

Maybe this move makes other Free Agents want to come here. I know we are still far away from having a great defense, but this was a big step in the right direction.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I just saw a mock draft that had us trading back to 18th with the Chargers and getting there 2nd round pick. That would not be bad loosing 8 spots in the 1st to pick up another 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:17 AM


Wow...I would take that deal running and giggling back to the war room. We could get a stud NT with the 1st round pick, get one of the project QBs with our 2nd rounder, and probably be able to land some quality LB help with the Bolts' 2nd rounder. For the love of God DO IT BRUCE!!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Time will tell if this is a bad signing, but at least it doesn't have the jaw dropping financial impact of past investments, and this guy has had success with this scheme.

Our biggest FA busts were guys who were brought in without regard to the system they were in initially, so I'm optimistic.

One could argue that this position cost us a couple games last season (at least the Houston game), but on a 6-10 team, it is only the start of what needs to be a series of prudent upgrades.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

guess doughty, horton or moore are gettin' the axe this offseason. Im thinking that we try to trade horton for pix or a project OL or DL.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 4, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

good signing, I like it...the fact that he's 3rd in the last 5 years in turnovers, is seriously impressive, and very under the radar.....

mike sims walker...hmmmmmmm...I'm intrigued

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Sorry dude...you left yourself open for that one.

I swear, I am not that guy.

Am if I am, I swear what he posts is better than what I do.

And that ain't saying much.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign. "Dirtbags" never caught on, neither did "Area 51". Success leads to nicknames, and we haven't had enough to warrant any good ones.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Captain Chaos is still a good one.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

attsoundworld

Our biggest FA busts were guys who were brought in without regard to the system they were in initially, so I'm optimistic.


Wow: whatta concept!

Adding players who fit what we do.

Addressing scheme and philosophy and not some draftnik's/agent's opinions about who to add and when.

I hear you built winning-competitive teams that way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

good signing, I like it...the fact that he's 3rd in the last 5 years in turnovers, is seriously impressive, and very under the radar.....

mike sims walker...hmmmmmmm...I'm intrigued

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:29 AM

To bad they didn't cut him we could sign him now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

If you had the choice, would you line OJ on Halls side to play Free or on Rogers?

I figure,you put him on Rogers to increase the chance of picks on either side of the ball. But when it gets to 3rd down, put him on Halls side so someone will actually Cover the WR's, not allow the catch and then whiff on a tackle.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

should have said mike sims walker, I'm intrigued, but only as a #2, or #3...he's not a #1...imho

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I just saw a mock draft that had us trading back to 18th with the Chargers and getting there 2nd round pick. That would not be bad loosing 8 spots in the 1st to pick up another 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:17 AM
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Some clown just looked at a draft value chart and saw that 1 + 2 @ 18 = 1 @ 10. Not going to happen. Why would we do this?

If someone wants to move up into our spot, then they have to provide incentive. For a 1 + 2, we should go no further back than 17, but NE is not in the business of falling in love with draft picks.

The only plausible scenario I see is one of the QBs falling to 10 and the Vikings offering a 1 + 3 to move up.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

should have said mike sims walker, I'm intrigued, but only as a #2, or #3...he's not a #1...imho

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Hoe-tell

Moe-tell

Holla-Day Inn

If these bloggas start messin up

Then I'll just take their friends

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

A pass covering safety? What's that? I haven't seen one of those in a Redskins uniform since Sean Taylor...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Do we get any comp picks this year? I think the smartest thing we could do would be to ask every potential trade partner to throw in a 6th or 7th round pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I was wrong earlier even though they extended the CBA all player moves ended at 12:00 last night, so we are in limbo until this thing is worked out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

mike sims walker...hmmmmmmm...I'm intrigued

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:29 AM


You must be easily intrigued.

Maybe I'm jaded because he was such an epic fail on my fantasy team last season, but he seems like Brandon Lloyd-esque move to me...dude had a nice '09 season but was way below expectations in '10. He's young and athletic--which is good--but I don't think he's consistent enough to warrant the #1 WR money he's sure to want. I'd rather draft a guy and add Jacoby Jones than go with Sims-Walker...but that's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Nice signing...

...but can we please hurry and get a beep...not looking forward to the wrath of hessone today once he finds out we signed a free agent.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

brown, see my post about MSW as a #2, if not #3....I realize the season, if its played at ALL, if 6 plus months away, but we've got AA, TA, BB, and --, and -- as the wideouts on this team...right now, they should be looking at every, and ANY option out there...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

The only plausible scenario I see is one of the QBs falling to 10 and the Vikings offering a 1 + 3 to move up.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:35 AM

If the Vikings come to us for #10 in an attempt to get one of the project QB's, the only correct response should be..."What will it take to put you into a Donovan McNabb right here and now? He likes Prince and looks good in purple. This man was made to be a Viking.".

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 4, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

If you had the choice, would you line OJ on Halls side to play Free or on Rogers?

I figure,you put him on Rogers to increase the chance of picks on either side of the ball. But when it gets to 3rd down, put him on Halls side so someone will actually Cover the WR's, not allow the catch and then whiff on a tackle.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse
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The D alignment stems from the O alignment, e.g. the strong safety is going to typically be on the side where the TE lines up. Part of the SS's job in run coverage is to take on the extra blocker on that side of the field.

Hall and Rogers will line up depending on where the matchups take them, but in general you want your strong CB to handle his business on the side with the SS because he may have to step up and cover a TE, blitz, or whatever. But in those situations, you are probably talking about 3 deep or playing man press with the FS rolling to the most likely hot route.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

If the Vikings come to us for #10 in an attempt to get one of the project QB's, the only correct response should be..."What will it take to put you into a Donovan McNabb right here and now? He likes Prince and looks good in purple. This man was made to be a Viking.".

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 4, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse
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Then we'll take their 1-4 for our 1 + McNabb.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Matt,

You wouldn't trade down 8 spots to have 3 of the first 48 picks?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

Then we'll take their 1-4 for our 1 + McNabb.


That's some incredibly sound thinking.

Offering McNabb as a part of a draft package would reap decent benefits, IMHO.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Can't remember who up here was so high on Gallery (was it you pfunk?), but it looks like he's gotta get a reality check before he falls in line with our salary structure:

Raiders say Robert Gallery priced himself out of Oakland
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 4, 2011, 8:43 AM EST

Robert Gallery will not return to the Oakland Raiders in 2011 because of what he calls a “mutual agreement” — and what the team calls an example of a player overestimating his worth.

“The only thing that was mutually agreed upon is his numbers were way out of line with ours,” Raiders senior executive John Herrera said.

According to Herrera, Gallery asked the Raiders for a new contract paying him $8 million a year. The Raiders were offering him $2.5 million. So, yeah, I’d say a difference of $5.5 million a year is “way out of line.”

Gallery has been very well paid since the Raiders made him the second overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, and although he’s been a regular starter at guard, overall he’d have to be considered a disappointment: Coming out of Iowa he was widely viewed as the league’s next great left tackle. He’s been far short of that.

On his way out, Gallery had only positive things to say about the Raiders.

“With the end of the league year coming today, and the few conversations I’ve had with the Raiders and Mr. Davis, we’ve come to a mutual agreement that it’s time for me to move on with my career,” Gallery told ESPN’s Adam Schefter. “I appreciate the start that they and Mr. Davis gave me and I truly have enjoyed my time wearing the silver and black. I wish them well, I thank the fans and I take away great memories of my time in Oakland.”

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

brown, see my post about MSW as a #2, if not #3....I realize the season, if its played at ALL, if 6 plus months away, but we've got AA, TA, BB, and --, and -- as the wideouts on this team...right now, they should be looking at every, and ANY option out there...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 8:44 AM

I hear ya Greg...just sayin' Sims-Walker isn't gonna be worth the coin he's sure to want. If his asking price comes down, that's one thing...I just don't think that A) you can count on him as a #1 WR and B) he's gonna be worth what it's gonna take to sign him. Hell, I'd almost rather take a chance on James Jones than Sims-Walker...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Matt,

You wouldn't trade down 8 spots to have 3 of the first 48 picks?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse
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According to the standard trade chart, 1 + 2 @ 18 = 1300 pts. The #10 pick = 1300 points.

So you tell me, if the Chargers come knocking, why would you do them a favor and take equal value? It's got to be a sellers market.

Now, 1 + 2 + 4 and you have a deal, but I can't imagine the Chargers (or anyone) investing 3 picks to get 1. They are set at QB, and if Julio Jones is there (the only other player people might be drooling over), then I want him in DC more than I want whatever scrub I can pick up in the 4th.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lombardi has us taking Aldon Smith at #10...anyone got a book on this guy?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Then we'll take their 1-4 for our 1 + McNabb.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

McNabb is our qb in 2011, we might as well face it. We have too too many holes. If we get miller or Quin and a NT in this draft and at least one OL in FA we doin good. Still, if we give in to popular opinion, Julio Jones would be a fantastic pick-up. One of the best thing about having so many needs to fill is that we are really in a position to get the best impact player available.

We may not see the playoffs next season but we very likely will field a team that is interesting to watch.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 4, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Aldon Smith at #10...


Mizzou: OLB

PON (position of need)

I wouldn't take him, though.

I want a defensive lineman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Nice signing...

...but can we please hurry and get a beep...not looking forward to the wrath of hessone today once he finds out we signed a free agent.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, technically he wasn't a FA.

Free Agency won't happen until these idiots get a deal done.

I haven't seen hess in a while, maybe him and IH8 aren't seperate anymore, maybe they joined back together!

IH8hess, interesting new name, huh?

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

They've always been interesting to watch monkey...so are trainwrecks and multi-car pileups.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Gallery intrigues me.

Would you pay 2.5 mil a year for him to start at G for us brownwood???

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM

I heard he's been hanging out over at Horticology Insider lately.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"A NT rotation of A Bryant, Shaun Rogers, and a rookie is what makes sense."


No it doesn't.
Shaun Rogers is a malcontent that is going to play RE in a 4-3 this year. We already have a tubby 360 pounder that dosent want to play NT. Not sure why people still talkin bout this tub.
And A Bryant played well but he is still a number 2 until he shows other wise. Getting a starting NT out of this draft will be spotty at best and costly for the couple will be available.

Time to realize that we just arent going to get the NT spot hammered down unless there is some luck or some serious investment.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen hess in a while, maybe him and IH8 aren't seperate anymore, maybe they joined back together!

IH8hess, interesting new name, huh?

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

iH8he$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Gallery intrigues me.

Would you pay 2.5 mil a year for him to start at G for us brownwood???

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:10 AM


For 2.5 mill? Yes.

For the 8 million he's asking for? Hells no.

For 8 mil/per, you can get Logan Mankins. So why pay all that coin for Gallery when you can get the best LG in football?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Cant complain about Atogwe. I still claim that the only reason Haslett is out DC is due to Atogwes stellar play duing his tenure as DC in St loius. Mainly OJ's pick six to beat us.
Those are the kind of things that Snyder remembers.

But anyways perfect compliment for Landry. We resign Rogers and stay healthy and i cant complain about our secondary for a sec.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Those are the kind of things that Snyder remembers.


completely ignoring the fact that Shanahan hired haslett...nice work...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Well, technically he wasn't a FA.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Huh? Then what was he? Any player not under contract is a FA. Atogwe was a FA. We signed a FA.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Rogers is a malcontent that is going to play RE in a 4-3 this year...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:16 AM


Do you even know what defense the Saints run? You should since it's the EXACT same one that was here for most of the 2000s.

In what world would Rogers play DE in a 4-3? He's a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 NT. That's it. Playing him anywhere else would be crazy.

On paper, Rogers would have been a nice NT. For my money, I'd rather see Jamal Williams at that spot in burgundy and gold...better track record on and off the field and probably cheaper to boot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I though Bruce Allen was out GM why does Shanny do all the hiring??? and what does Allen do then?

And does Snyder have no say in who get hired. Ahhh you think that Snyder doesn't have a say anymore.. thats cute

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

to put the jersey number discussion to rest

O.J. Atogwe says he won't be No. 21 with Redskins
By Cindy Boren

O.J. Atogwe quickly answered the question of what number he would wear with the Redskins Thursday night.

Atogwe, who formerly tweeted as @ojrams21, is now @blessedskins and has no intention of wearing his customary 21, a number that, in Washington, belonged most recently to Sean Taylor.

He tweeted, "Yup, its official. Taking it to the top, by the grace of God. Washington here we come..." and then asked, "first order of business, What number should we wear?"

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 4, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I want a defensive lineman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

So do I. I keep seeing pass rushing linebackers falling into the second round but I only see 2 good 3-4 defensive ends and they are both mocked to go in the first. If Von Miller and Robert Quinn are gone (and they should be) I'd much rather have Cameron Jordan or JJ Watt than Akeem Ayers or Aldon Smith.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

stu, Snyder signed Archuletta too right...so on one hand you claim that Snyder was the one who hired Haslett, then you come back and cite Bruce Allen as the one who did...I'm gonna drop out of this, and let you argue with yourself.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I though Bruce Allen was out GM why does Shanny do all the hiring??? and what does Allen do then?

And does Snyder have no say in who get hired. Ahhh you think that Snyder doesn't have a say anymore.. thats cute

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:30 AM |

GM's don't hire assistant coaches, the head coach hires his assistants.

Yes I beleive Snyder has no say in coaching hires because Shanny would have never come here if he did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

He's a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 NT. That's it. Playing him anywhere else would be crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Just to clarify, it's widely known that Rogers can play DE or NT in a 3-4.

I'm good with not signing him, but he would have been a versatile option for us in a 3-4.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Jamal Williams at that spot in burgundy and gold...

This is where I am.

Signing a vet NT changes my priorities.

Williams, Bryant, and a 4th round NT is a step forward.

Pick 10 is then open for a D-end or OLB.

And if Shanny wants AJ Green, I won't like it..

...and I won't complain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,
True that i meant DT. Anyways Rogers had his best year in a 4-3 w the Lions. I never will understand the harping for him to be our NT.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone got any good ideas as to how to prevent dingleberries?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 4, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

" and then asked, "first order of business, What number should we wear?"

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 4, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

That was the only dowside i could think of with OJ. why OJ anyways i still cant find the J?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Huh? Then what was he? Any player not under contract is a FA. Atogwe was a FA. We signed a FA.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 9:27 AM

LOL...I was going to let that go...the SPG has strict rules against arguing amongst its own.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Cant complain about Atogwe. I still claim that the only reason Haslett is out DC is due to Atogwes stellar play duing his tenure as DC in St loius. Mainly OJ's pick six to beat us.
Those are the kind of things that Snyder remembers.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:20 AM


Wow...you're on a roll today, dude.

(end sarcasm)

I was at the game you're talking about...Haslett was interim HC, not the DC. And the Atogwe score was on a fluke fumble return, not a pick 6.

Not to mention, that play happened at the end of the 1st half...hardly a game-clincher.

To quote Brian Fantana, "Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while..."

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lombardi has us taking Aldon Smith at #10...anyone got a book on this guy?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:00 AM
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Sounds crazy to me. The guy is a very light 3-4 defensive end (6'4", 263 lbs) that will have to bulk up, or he would be transitioned to linebacker. Either way, couldn't see him being much of a contributor in year one. I think he's a real reach at #10. I'm still liking a nose tackle in the first round, but they can trade down. Having said that, Julio Jones would be a nice pick at #10 and they can use their 2nd on a nose tackle. A lot depends on free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Raiders say Robert Gallery priced himself out of Oakland
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 4, 2011, 8:43 AM EST

Robert Gallery will not return to the Oakland Raiders in 2011 because of what he calls a “mutual agreement” — and what the team calls an example of a player overestimating his worth...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 8:53 AM


The Raiders have not been shy about writing checks. If they say one of their players is overestimating his worth--especially a 30 year old guy drafted #2 overall who has toyed with the "bust" label--that's saying something.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh i know i came out swing at least...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

In what world would Rogers play DE in a 4-3? He's a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 NT. That's it. Playing him anywhere else would be crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:29 AM
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Actually, Rogers plays defensive FB (fat bastard). I think this will be a signing the Saints regret.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Per Cindy Boren, OJ Atogwe will not be sporting #21.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

True that i meant DT. Anyways Rogers had his best year in a 4-3 w the Lions. I never will understand the harping for him to be our NT.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:34 AM


Um, probably because he was a NT in Cleveland.

Try this: read "NFL Football for Dummies: The 2000s" and then come back and we'll discuss what you've learned...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Was against it, now I'm for it.

So which S is about to be shown the door:

K Moore

C Horton

M Harris

R Doughty

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 7:29 AM

I'm actually surprised about how/why Doughty has been around as long as he has. Maybe its just something that coordinators and position coaches see that I don't (like that ever happens). Maybe he's invisible or something (like a lineman) and does his job, sticks with his responsibilities, is super smart, such as.

Someone (RSH) talked about not having a ballhawk since Sean Taylor. Until his final year, however, I always thought Taylor's coverage skills were a little suspect. [I don't remember for sure, but I think that that year or the year before was the Lust For Mayhem year ... Taylor, Landry, and McIntosh ALL used to go for the kill shot and overpursue, etc.].

I'm thinking Kareem Moore probably is on that same trajectory. Moore's path here is the same as Ryan Clark's (about the same round). Moore has the wonky knee, but I think he still has plenty of upside.

I think all of those guys are still under contract (maybe not Doughty), so I see all of them as ham sandwiches that could be added to a trade package (e.g., to close the deal on moving McNabb or Haynesworth). Minus Macho Harris, who I know nothing about and seemed like in-season training camp fodder.

With my hamster-length short term memory, I'm kind of forgetting what it was like when Horton and Moore were on the field. I don't recall that either was on the field at the same time (maybe not even active in the same games).

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me who could possibly be our nose tackle? Casey Hampton and B.J. Raji are really special players, and in my view neither of those 3-4 defenses can run without them. I never thought Haynesworth would be right for that position (and think we should just dump him now), and am not sold on Kemoeatu. This should probably be our no. 1 pick in the draft. Whom do we have our sights set on?

Posted by: ChazMockington | March 4, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I will always think that TD had something to do with Haslett being our DC...

Hoton
Moore
Reed Doughty
Sha'reff Rashad
Anderson Rusell

Are any of them staying? Think there all still on our roster...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

For 2.5 mill? Yes.

For the 8 million he's asking for? Hells no.

For 8 mil/per, you can get Logan Mankins. So why pay all that coin for Gallery when you can get the best LG in football?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I agree Gallery is probably worth that.

Next question, if Gallery is a pretty successful G now after failing at T, should we instead move Heyer to G and give him a try?

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Rogers plays defensive FB (fat bastard). I think this will be a signing the Saints regret.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:42 AM


I don't know...putting him next to Sedrick Ellis looks awful good on paper. If he's healthy, that's a good tackle tandem IMO.

With a chance at winning and a good scheme, Rogers can be a top-tier DT. I just don't think the Skins are far enough in the rebuilding process to get any return on that investment.

I'd rather have Jamal Williams anyway...hope he's the next guy to visit Redskins Park...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"I will always think that TD had something to do with Haslett being our DC"


gotta give him credit, he makes an assinine statement, and is standing by it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Um, probably because he was a NT in Cleveland.

Try this: read "NFL Football for Dummies: The 2000s" and then come back and we'll discuss what you've learned...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Ill look into that book. He playeed DE.

"but the Browns ultimately decided to keep him and move him to 3-4 defensive end, which is believed to better suit his skills than the nose tackle position."
wikipedia.com

Also he def had his best year in Det. But keep harping on it.
wikipedia.com

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me who could possibly be our nose tackle? Casey Hampton and B.J. Raji are really special players, and in my view neither of those 3-4 defenses can run without them. I never thought Haynesworth would be right for that position (and think we should just dump him now), and am not sold on Kemoeatu. This should probably be our no. 1 pick in the draft. Whom do we have our sights set on?

Posted by: ChazMockington | March 4, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

i think if the skins are able to drop down between the 15-25 range, phil taylor would be the ideal choice

if things remain the way they are, jerrell powe or sione fua would be a great pickup in the second round imho

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 4, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Are any of them (safeties) staying?

I think what we should all hope for is overall improvement from our safeties.

There was an interesting presentation on NFL Playbook (NFL Network) about how the redskin defense failed--among other things--because the safeties were either often out of position or just poor tacklers.

They were really exposed in the Giants' game were they and the linebackers over ran a lot of pays.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Jamal Williams anyway...hope he's the next guy to visit Redskins Park...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

No thanks for me. He's like 36 and did not look that great out here in DEN last year, not to mention his injury issues lately.

If we are going to start building this thing from the inside out, NO to mid 30'2 linemen.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Per Cindy Boren, OJ Atogwe will not be sporting #21.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM


That's too bad...dude should be able to keep his number. If the team wants to put a 5 year moratoriam on #21, I can live with that...but to take a number out of circulation is stupid if you're not gonna retire it. Instead of agonizing over when to wear gold pants, BA should get on the task of fixing that debacle once and for all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Gallery intrigues me.

Would you pay 2.5 mil a year for him to start at G for us brownwood???

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

He's already been offered $2.5 mil and turned it down. But maybe we should offer him $4 mil.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The Raiders have not been shy about writing checks. If they say one of their players is overestimating his worth--especially a 30 year old guy drafted #2 overall who has toyed with the "bust" label--that's saying something.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Stamped!

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lombardi has us taking Aldon Smith at #10...anyone got a book on this guy?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:00 AM
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Sounds crazy to me. The guy is a very light 3-4 defensive end (6'4", 263 lbs) that will have to bulk up, or he would be transitioned to linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:40 AM

Doesn't sound that crazy. Elvis Dumervil is 5'11" 248 lbs and did just fine in Denver's 3-4. The other day, someone posted a link about how, above a certain height, offensive tackles are at a disadvantage because on the line "the low man wins".

Everything I've read says Von Miller never makes it past the Cardinals (at #5) under any scenario ... and that the run on defenders starts right away ... top ten picks being made up of 2 QBs, 1 or 2 CBs, and 6 or 7 DE/DT/3-4 OLBs, plus 1 or 2 WRs. Obviously, that's too many for ten picks ... and ideally one of the receivers falls to #10 ... and there is a team (RAMS at #14!) willing to swap ... which is about where Aldon Smith might be. If there is another team willing to swap, then maybe that's the range for NT.

To me, Skins need a DRAFT PICK WORTHY nose tackle. [I know others see this differently.] To collapse a pocket, it just needs to set. The NT needs to make the interior constipated, though collapsing from the interior would be nice (esp. against teams that don't have scrambling QB), it doesn't seem as flexible a defense as one that can collapse and/or sack from the edges.

Sorry for the zcezcest-length posts this morning. I feel like time right be running out on this CBA and thus my posting up here.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

That's too bad...dude should be able to keep his number. If the team wants to put a 5 year moratoriam on #21, I can live with that...but to take a number out of circulation is stupid if you're not gonna retire it. Instead of agonizing over when to wear gold pants, BA should get on the task of fixing that debacle once and for all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM

Boy you sure are jumping the gun on that one dude. Atogwe tweeted last night that he wouldn't even ask to wear #21. It was his decision not the teams...it didn't even make it to the team. A little research would help you not seem so quick to jump on the team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Well, technically he wasn't a FA.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Huh? Then what was he? Any player not under contract is a FA. Atogwe was a FA. We signed a FA.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Sure, he was 'technically' called a Free Agent, but he was able to sign with anyone before the Free Agency period began, that's why I didn't consider him a Free Agent.

The only reason he became a FA was because he was cut, otherwise he would have still been a Ram.

And BTW, in-house arguments stay in-house in the SPG, we don't need outsiders sticking their nose in our business.

That is, unless you've changed your mind and are now WaitingGuilty1.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Can someone tell me who could possibly be our nose tackle? Casey Hampton and B.J. Raji are really special players"

The same can be said about Vince Wilfork when the pats D was killin it.
Dominate nose tackles are a hard commodity to come by. Peeps tossing out how well just pick up a NT in the second round??

I like Phil Taylor but he dosent have the merit coming out of school that these players had.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Still - 21 should be off the table. Forever. I don't care if it's officially retired or not. Using it is just stupid.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"I will always think that TD had something to do with Haslett being our DC"


I think it had more to do with why Pete Kendall wasn't our wide receiver.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Rogers is a malcontent that is going to play RE in a 4-3 this year...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:16 AM

I think the plan is to put him in the middle next to Sedrick Ellis.

Also, on Atogwe's number, I think its gracious of him and a good idea, esp. because he actually has to develop a relationship with Landry who was getting a pretty tight relationship with the earlier #21. Just bad form to take the guy's number when other guys who played with him and knew him are still on the team. I get kind of raw just typing about it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No thanks for me. He's like 36 and did not look that great out here in DEN last year, not to mention his injury issues lately.

If we are going to start building this thing from the inside out, NO to mid 30'2 linemen.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM

Actually, he's 34...and his injury came in '09, in '10 he played all 16 games for the Broncos and played pretty well by all indications.

The only reason he's on the street now is because Denver is going back to a 4-3...no need for a 3-4 NT if that's the case. Nobody's saying break the bank for the guy...just kick his tires and see if you can get him for a fair contract that's low on guarantees and heavy on incentives. Especially if we can't get a NT in the draft.

Stu, if you're getting your detailed football info from Wikipedia, you've basically proved my point...stand on the sidelines until further notice...

Monk, seemed to me that Heyer played better at G last year than he ever did at T. I don't know if I'd want him there on a full time basis, but as a backup he can't be worse than he was as a starting RT...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Gallery intrigues me.

Would you pay 2.5 mil a year for him to start at G for us brownwood???

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 9:10 AM


For 2.5 mill? Yes.

For the 8 million he's asking for? Hells no.

For 8 mil/per, you can get Logan Mankins. So why pay all that coin for Gallery when you can get the best LG in football?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:19 AM |

This Gallery thing is a little off. My opinion is that RB's and lineman take the most pounding and therefor drop off at an earlier age. While 30 isn't necessarily a good age marker for QB's and DB's it is a pretty good mark for RB's and lineman and Gallery is 31.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Are any of them (safeties) staying?

I think what we should all hope for is overall improvement from our safeties.

There was an interesting presentation on NFL Playbook (NFL Network) about how the redskin defense failed--among other things--because the safeties were either often out of position or just poor tacklers.

They were really exposed in the Giants' game were they and the linebackers over ran a lot of pays.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:00 AM
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This defense puts a lot of burden on the free safety. He's the last line of defense, and when you have a gambler like Hall out there, I think this just makes the job tougher for the free safety. Not making excuses for Moore. Tackling is a fundamental skill and he sucked at it. Not making excuses for Doughty. He's a good strong safety but is out of position at free because he doesn't have the speed. I would have liked to have seen Barnes get a little more time in the role, but this way he gets to contribute at corner, and that is where he will be needed - especially if they let Rogers walk and don't replace him. All in all, I think this is one of the best offseason moves the Redskins have made in a while. They didn't overpay and they definitely filled a need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Atogwe tweeted last night that he wouldn't even ask to wear #21. It was his decision not the teams...it didn't even make it to the team. A little research would help you not seem so quick to jump on the team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

That's interesting, and it's the right move on Atogwe's part.

Any player that's coming here should think long and hard about whether they would even ask to wear #21, given the circumstances as to why it's available to being with and who was wearing it last.

Anyone out there want to try to fill out Sean Taylor's jersey??

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Sure, he was 'technically' called a Free Agent, but he was able to sign with anyone before the Free Agency period began, that's why I didn't consider him a Free Agent.

The only reason he became a FA was because he was cut, otherwise he would have still been a Ram.

And BTW, in-house arguments stay in-house in the SPG, we don't need outsiders sticking their nose in our business.

That is, unless you've changed your mind and are now WaitingGuilty1.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I see that you subscribe to the same code as I do:

"I will defend my positions to the death, regardless of truth."

Love it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

For 8 mil/per, you can get Logan Mankins. So why pay all that coin for Gallery when you can get the best LG in football?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:19 AM |

This Gallery thing is a little off. My opinion is that RB's and lineman take the most pounding and therefor drop off at an earlier age. While 30 isn't necessarily a good age marker for QB's and DB's it is a pretty good mark for RB's and lineman and Gallery is 31.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse


Gallery was on my offseason wish-list, but not at that price.

...especially with money drying up for other 30-year old FAs around Redskins park...

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget folks...its Fact Free Friday.

Please refrain from using facts to back up your arguments...or even using the word fact.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Right, p1? How could you ever live up to the legend?

Brownie, cosign RE Heyer. Loved his guard play.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Sounds crazy to me. The guy is a very light 3-4 defensive end (6'4", 263 lbs) that will have to bulk up, or he would be transitioned to linebacker. Either way, couldn't see him being much of a contributor in year one. I think he's a real reach at #10. I'm still liking a nose tackle in the first round, but they can trade down. Having said that, Julio Jones would be a nice pick at #10 and they can use their 2nd on a nose tackle. A lot depends on free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think they said that Smith translates to a DE in a 4-3 or an OLB in a 3-4, so he would not be our DE.

The problem with NT is that we'd have to reach to get one at #10. The best one is the dude from Baylor.

He's not projected until the late 1st, early 2nd round. We could trade down to get him, or trade up to get him, but we're better off drafting an OLB with #10 and then take our chances at NT in the 2nd round.

OLB is our biggest need, so that's the main position we should pick there at #10, there are sooooo many good pass rushers this year, we've got to hit on one.

I wouldn't, however, be upset if we do draft Julio Jones at WR, he has that big body that Shanny likes, could turn out to be a decent #1 receiver in a year or 2.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Boy you sure are jumping the gun on that one dude. Atogwe tweeted last night that he wouldn't even ask to wear #21. It was his decision not the teams...it didn't even make it to the team. A little research would help you not seem so quick to jump on the team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:04 AM


Ok, good for Atogwe then. My main point is that this team for years has had a lousy way of deal with retiring/not retiring numbers.

It's really easy: sh*t or get off the pot. Either retire it or don't. But this "out of circulation" stuff is moronic. Come up with a criteria for retiring numbers and stick to it. Taking numbers like 21 and 7 off the table is just totally unnecessary, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood.

He played DE in Clevland.
This is one of those times when someone lies about something gets called out and doesnt want o back it up.

HE PLAYED DE. but you keep harpin on it.

Its the aints problem now not ours. He will be drunk driving gun welding woman abusing in the bayou not here.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me who could possibly be our nose tackle? Casey Hampton and B.J. Raji are really special players, and in my view neither of those 3-4 defenses can run without them. I never thought Haynesworth would be right for that position (and think we should just dump him now), and am not sold on Kemoeatu. This should probably be our no. 1 pick in the draft. Whom do we have our sights set on?

Posted by: ChazMockington | March 4, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the draft there's 1 NT that has a first round grade. The problem is that he's not a dominating force like Rajji. He's a late first rounder. So taking him at #10 is a reach. After Phil Taylor there are 3 or 4 guys that are valued in the second and third round or even later. We don't have a 3rd or a 4th and I doubt any of them make it to the 5th. It makes sense to wait until the second round and grab a Stepehen Paea or Marvin Austin or even Jerrell Powe. Siona Fua is also a candidate.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Actually, he's 34...and his injury came in '09, in '10 he played all 16 games for the Broncos and played pretty well by all indications.

The only reason he's on the street now is because Denver is going back to a 4-3...no need for a 3-4 NT if that's the case. Nobody's saying break the bank for the guy...just kick his tires and see if you can get him for a fair contract that's low on guarantees and heavy on incentives. Especially if we can't get a NT in the draft.


Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

OK, you win on the age, but fact is he's 35 next month, so he's old and at the end of his career. And I don't know how many Broncos games you watch but he did not play well...the Broncos got dump-trucked on Defense last year, he was their starting NT. He was ineffective at worst, average at best.

NT is, IMO probably our biggest need right now, and something would have to go terribly wrong for us to not address that position with a high pick or good FA.

I do not support bringing in a 35 YO at such an important position.

I like Bryant as backup and he's 5 years younger.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This Gallery thing is a little off. My opinion is that RB's and lineman take the most pounding and therefor drop off at an earlier age. While 30 isn't necessarily a good age marker for QB's and DB's it is a pretty good mark for RB's and lineman and Gallery is 31.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM
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Scamp, I agree on the running backs. I think the offensive lineman durability question is a lot more difficult to answer. I think some offenses are "linemen-friendly". You take Shanny's offense that focuses more on zone blocking and you'll see guys last a lot longer. I give you Tom Nalen as an example. I think some stadiums are "linemen-adverse". I don't know if there is any official statistic on this, but I bet the Detroit Lions have one of the worse fields for linemen. The Saints are probably pretty bad and I think this is a reason why Brown came to Washington: to play on grass, and his years playing on turf in New Orleans are probably a reason why the team should think twice about re-signing him. I don't like Gallery as a free agent pickup, but I don't think the Raiders' field is that unfriendly to linemen. Plus, in that division, most of the games are on grass. I just don't think he is all of that. The guy has been an underachiever his entire career.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This defense puts a lot of burden on the free safety.

I think SS is the better of the two spots.

I was once FS/SS, and liked how at SS you were in 'the box' or sprinting into coverage.

You had to be as mean as a linebacker and cover huge, but slow tight ends.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It's really easy: sh*t or get off the pot. Either retire it or don't. But this "out of circulation" stuff is moronic. Come up with a criteria for retiring numbers and stick to it. Taking numbers like 21 and 7 off the table is just totally unnecessary, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:17 AM

I didn't see anywhere that it said 21 was off the table so I'm not sure where this argument is coming from. At this point, as far as I'm concerned, I really don't care...so whateves.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the best of the second-tier NTs may well turn out to be Ian Williams of Notre Dame. He's supposed to go round 4-5. Coming off a knee injury last season, but is a run-stopper who excels at holding up blockers. Not as imposing as Phil Taylor or Marvin Austin but a better all-round athlete.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget folks...its Fact Free Friday.

Please refrain from using facts to back up your arguments...or even using the word fact.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Fact Free Friday, that's every day reporting the 'news' here on RI.

Facts on RI = Kryptonite for Superman

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Gallery was on my offseason wish-list, but not at that price.

...especially with money drying up for other 30-year old FAs around Redskins park...

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 10:14 AM

Did Denver ever do anything on Ryan Harris?

My wishlist has targeted (and continues to target) Harvey Dahl, OG (ATL).

I figure that Lichtensteiger has a roster spot, but maybe not necessarily at guard. The intergoogles say that his "natural" position is center.

On the other hand, I subscribe to Moe's view that the entire line gets better as they take more snaps together. Somewhere recently I read something about how the Skins line last offseason - T. Williams, Dockery, Rabach, BMW, and Hicks -- took over 1200 snaps together in the offseason. So with BMW out (heart clots) and Hicks over, Heyer in, then Dockery slow, the whole thing was a work in progress all season.

Anyway, the youngest guys on the line -- Wiliams, Montgomery, and Lichtensteiger SEEM like the guys to stick with. Add in this year's 4th round choice for Jammal Brown, that also represents a commitment. [Same as Jarmon on the other side of the line ... in the third round, he should be considered a most significant investment than Rob Jackson.] Odd man out would be the dancing foot stepper, Rabach.

Whether to replace him with a Lichtensteiger or a draft choice center is what they pay the talent scouts and film studiers for.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Right, p1? How could you ever live up to the legend?

Brownie, cosign RE Heyer. Loved his guard play.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Heyer did play much better at guard. In fact that line that played against Tenn. was the best it looked all year. Monty should be our starting center.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

One reason Tavaris Jackson is out in Minnesota is because their HC and OC (Bill Musgrave) apparently like 2nd year player Joe Webb.

Said Musgrave: "I've been impressed with Joe. He's a great athlete and looks like he's got some composure and poise to him as well. He made some good decisions and some good judgments. I like the way he climbs up in the pocket, keeping his eyes downfield."

Musgrave also liked Webb's scrambling ability.

"Defensive coordinators have a tough time accounting for quarterbacks that can make plays with their legs," Musgrave said. "He seems to have that demeanor that you look for. I think the team gravitates towards him. I've enjoyed visiting with him so far on the phone in the short time that we've been here."

Musgrave added, "What is very tough for a young quarterback is reading the defenses in the NFL because they are distinctly different than college defenses, so it's quite a jump and quite an adjustment."

Musgrave had this to say about Patrick Ramsey: "Patrick has had a super career after coming out of Tulane. He's a sharp kid. He really started football a little bit late, he was a javelin thrower in high school, competed in the Pan-Am Games and he evolved to playing quarterback, so he did a good job in all sports."


Are the Vikes content going into the season with Joe Webb and Patrick Ramsey at QB?

And has Ramsey really had a super career?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm doing some serious research right now. I'm about to go fully off point. Induldge me, like you so regularly do.

Based upon my thorough research, I'd like to nominate The Adventures of Bob & Doug Mackenzie, STRANGE BREW for 2nd best hockey movie of all time (next to Slap Shot, of course.

It would crack my top 5 of all-time sports movies then, too.

Thoughts? I obviously am unable to process any.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

This defense puts a lot of burden on the free safety.

I was once FS/SS, and liked how at SS you were in 'the box' or sprinting into coverage.

You had to be as mean as a linebacker and cover huge, but slow tight ends.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:23 AM
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And I think Landry excels at strong. The problem with the safeties the Redskins had on the roster was they had a bunch of strong safeties - and then they had Moore. I'm not totally against Moore, but I think he has a lot to learn. He was a great practice player, but defenses learned how to out-physical him and get into his head. They've got a lot of safeties on the roster now, so I think we will see a few cuts before the start of the preseason.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Move Heyer to RG, Montgomery to center.

OL fixed and ready to go.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The thing about these really enormous NT types -- they're not as effective as they look. Ngata is a wonderful lineman, but check out who is playing NT much of the time in that Baltimore defense -- it's Kelly Gregg. He succeeds because of leverage. He's able to keep his pads low and anchor effectively so the blockers can't turn him one way or the other. Not to say size isn't an advantage at the position, but size is probably less important than technique and a natural ability to stay low...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Did Denver ever do anything on Ryan Harris?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

They put that 'red tape' tender on him, so when a CBA is done he's almost certain to be a UFA. It's the same thing Jacoby Jones got in HOU, basically meaningless.

However, if somehow 2011 is another uncapped year then I believe those tenders will stick.

Bottom line- if we want him we'll likely get a shot at Harris.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm doing some serious research right now. I'm about to go fully off point. Induldge me, like you so regularly do.

Based upon my thorough research, I'd like to nominate The Adventures of Bob & Doug Mackenzie, STRANGE BREW for 2nd best hockey movie of all time (next to Slap Shot, of course.

It would crack my top 5 of all-time sports movies then, too.

Thoughts? I obviously am unable to process any.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:28 AM
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Confused why you would call Strange Brew a Hockey movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Come up with a criteria for retiring numbers and stick to it. Taking numbers like 21 and 7 off the table is just totally unnecessary, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:17 AM

Whatever the criteria would be, seems like there would need to be an exception b/c it would be hard to articulate a criterion for "three year Pro-Bowlers, drafted high, starting careers as punks, then ripening into men, murdered midseason, inspiring December runs to playoffs (with the help of an ancient QBs who spend entire careers behind Trent Green)."

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of Moore.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone out there want to try to fill out Sean Taylor's jersey??


Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 10:11 AM


I can see this point of view but at this juncture I don't agree...if this is 2008 or 2009, I totally agree with that. But in 2011, with many of the guys that played here in '07 gone, I don't think it should loom quite as large. The FO has changed, the coaching staff has changed, and most of the roster has changed. I could see if ST had a long, storied career here...but he didn't. I loved him as a Redskin as much as anyone up here, but I'm not gonna change my view of what he actually was as a player just because he was tragically lost. At the end of the day, he played here 3 1/2 years, only about half of which at a high level. That's not enough to warrant permanently retiring #21, IMO. I think a 5 year moratorium is proper, and he's already in the ring of honor. Based on what he did as a Redskin, I think that's more than appropriate.

I get that some will disagree and that it's still a point of contention. Generally, I just don't believe in giving people more due than you would if they were still alive and I think some folks hold ST in a higher regard simply because he story ended tragically.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Confused why you would call Strange Brew a Hockey movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:31 AM

Agreed. I'd call it Cheech and Chong for beer.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

This Gallery thing is a little off. My opinion is that RB's and lineman take the most pounding and therefor drop off at an earlier age. While 30 isn't necessarily a good age marker for QB's and DB's it is a pretty good mark for RB's and lineman and Gallery is 31.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM
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Scamp, I agree on the running backs. I think the offensive lineman durability question is a lot more difficult to answer.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

That's crazy, Olinemen have bigger bodies, they can be more durable than RB's.

Backs break down because they have smaller frames and bodies, and the defensive players are getting bigger and stronger every year.

Olinemen can play well into their 30's. Anthony Munoz, Ray Brown, there have been tons of examples of older linemen hanging on and still producing.

Chris Samuels was forced out because of his injury, did you think he was getting to where he couldn't play anymore?

The only thing that's valid here is some Left Tackles lose some of their quickness dealing with speed rushers, but they don't usually retire, they might switch to RT instead.

SAVE THE AGING LINEMEN!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Are the Vikes content going into the season with Joe Webb and Patrick Ramsey at QB?
And has Ramsey really had a super career?
Posted by: Alan4"

I'd be surprised if they didn't pick up a veteran QB. That's a contending club. McNabb, Hasselbeck, somebody like that. You're handing off to Peterson much of the time anyway. Unlike Washington, Minnesota has been able to protect the QB. The Vikes can draft somebody to understudy. I was surprised they passed on Clausen last season.

About Pat Ramsey: still the prettiest passer I've seen in a long time. But like Gibbs says, beware the guy who thinks he has to throw the ball through a wall -- he'll bounce them off his receivers, too.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

He played DE in Clevland.
This is one of those times when someone lies about something gets called out and doesnt want o back it up.

HE PLAYED DE. but you keep harpin on it.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Even though it's "Fact-Free" Friday I feel compelled to say that I can vouch for Stu.

Having watched many more Browns games than I'd care to, I can confirm that he played all over the line in CLE's 3-4. DE, DT you name it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that he's not a dominating force like Rajji.

What you have to remember is that Raji BECAME dominating because he was a de-end morhped into the NT role.

In other words, he bulked up, kept the athleticism, and thus, wins.

So maybe you take aguy like, say, M Austin, add 20 pounds, and have a very athletic NT.

A guy like that will dominate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

This Gallery thing is a little off. My opinion is that RB's and lineman take the most pounding and therefor drop off at an earlier age. While 30 isn't necessarily a good age marker for QB's and DB's it is a pretty good mark for RB's and lineman and Gallery is 31.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:10 AM
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Scamp, I agree on the running backs. I think the offensive lineman durability question is a lot more difficult to answer.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

That's crazy, Olinemen have bigger bodies, they can be more durable than RB's.

Backs break down because they have smaller frames and bodies, and the defensive players are getting bigger and stronger every year.

Olinemen can play well into their 30's. Anthony Munoz, Ray Brown, there have been tons of examples of older linemen hanging on and still producing.

Chris Samuels was forced out because of his injury, did you think he was getting to where he couldn't play anymore?

The only thing that's valid here is some Left Tackles lose some of their quickness dealing with speed rushers, but they don't usually retire, they might switch to RT instead.

SAVE THE AGING LINEMEN!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 10:34 AM
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Once again you are spouting off without reading what I said. I was saying linemen durability depends on type of offense and types of stadiums they normally play in. I pointed out that Tom Nalen lasted 14 years in Shanny's offense, which is a pretty good career for an offensive lineman.

BRING OUT THE MONK????

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Re: #21

Atogwe declined to pursue the number out of respect for the late Sean Taylor.

If Atogwe can arrive from another team understanding the sensitivity of wearing #21 to Skins fans, Skins management should surely feel comfortable retiring it.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Are the Vikes content going into the season with Joe Webb and Patrick Ramsey at QB?

And has Ramsey really had a super career?

Will Tavaris Jackson find work piloting a disaster relief carrier?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 10:26 AM

There, fixed it for ya.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Offensive linemen get a lot of sprains and strains. Mostly from pass blocking, including people falling on their legs and ankles, or cut blocking their knees from the side. Run blocking is safer. But it's basically sumo wrestling there in the middle. Somebody like Ray Brown is the exception not the rule -- yogi-like flexibility.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I like the signing despite OJ being 29. He played under Hazlenutt before and is plug-n-play. He will start whenever opening day/night is. Wouldn't it be great to actually draft a player at #10 that can also start this season assuming we have one - which I am assuming.

Cough-LIMEMEN-cough,cough-LINEMEN!

When you have a team built from the inside out, you don't need an all-universe QB.

Dig?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that he's not a dominating force like Rajji.

So maybe you take aguy like, say, M Austin, add 20 pounds, and have a very athletic NT.

A guy like that will dominate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:37 AM
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Did you notice how much time Raji spent doing the cockroach on the ground when they played Philly? I don't dispute the guy's athleticism, but he doesn't fit Haslett's version of a 3-4 nose.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

If Atogwe can arrive from another team understanding the sensitivity of wearing #21 to Skins fans, Skins management should surely feel comfortable retiring it.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 10:38 AM

I dunno. At some point, it might be OK to recycle the number. Sort of depends on how his historical memory develops. I've heard tell that JFK is much more popular as an assasinated dead president than he was as a live one.

Its still feels like a tiny dagger to my heart every time I see Ryan Torain running around in Ladell Betts' jersey ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Brown,

34 is a little old but if you can get him on the cheap he might be able to help develop the next NT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

And help develop our young and/or converted ILBs and OLBs.

That's the overlooked value of some of these older vets. Sure they may not be around for an extended run, but having a couple positions locked down and played the way they should be played in this new system helps the young and inexperienced players learn and perfect their craft for the long haul.

And don't call me surely.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 4, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:43 AM

True dat. Sometimes we honor the dead with more force than we honor the living, but such is human nature.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

He played DE in Clevland.
This is one of those times when someone lies about something gets called out and doesnt want o back it up.

HE PLAYED DE. but you keep harpin on it.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:18 AM


Seems like you're the one who keeps bringing it up. But since you're a glutton for punishment, here ya go:

"On February 29, 2008, Rogers was traded to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for Leigh Bodden and a 2008 3rd round pick Andre Fluellen.[5] The Browns run a 3-4 defense, as opposed to the 4-3 defense Rogers played in for Detroit, and Rogers became the Browns' 3-4 nose tackle. In 2008, Rogers finished with 76 tackles (61 solo), 4.5 sacks, and 4 pass deflections in 16 games and was selected as a Pro Bowl reserve. On November 30, 2009, Rogers was placed on Injured Reserve due to a broken leg. He finished the 2009 season with 36 tackles (27 solo), 2 sacks, and 1 pass deflection. During the 2010 offseason, Rogers was involved in trade rumors, but the Browns ultimately decided to keep him and move him to 3-4 defensive end, which is believed to better suit his skills than the nose tackle position."

And that's citing the same tired source you used.

I'll wait for the part where he can't play NT when he indeed played that spot for at least 2 f-ing seasons...and was a Pro-Bowl reserve in one of them.

Not to mention, they had the chance to move Rogers to DE in 2010 only because Rubin stepped up and showed he could be a good NT for Cleveland.

Besides...didn't this whole thing come up because you said Rogers would play DE in NO? A 3-4 DE = 4-3 DT for all intents and purposes. So even if you "win" this argument, it's only proving my initial point anyway.

Check mate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

On the top defenders in the draft (and assuming that Skins don't have a trading partner to trade for an assumed WR who "falls" to #10), then seems like the outside pressure opposite Orakpo could be either rush OLB or DE ... but, on balance, seems like needing to rely on Lorenzo Alexander is less troubling than needing to rely on Vonnie Holliday for the purposes of "rebuidling" ... so I'd fall off on the DE rather than rush OLB side of the fence.

Still, at #10, if they need to spend it, the choices are really about "best in show" rather than best in position, so just get the best guy. Thankfully there are no tight ends projected in the first round.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Check mate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:47 AM

Is that like the brand of pen or is that like pwned?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

So maybe you take aguy like, say, M Austin, add 20 pounds, and have a very athletic NT.

A guy like that will dominate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I like Austin as a 3-4 DE. I know it sounds crazy cause he is a very large man. But dude can run.
he has incredible burst. I envision him lined up with Orakpo behind him.
Austin posted a 4.8 40 and looks extremely swift.

With Orakpo behind him it would be a pick your poison situation. You would have to overload that side. Probably wishful thinking.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

That's the overlooked value of some of these older vets. Sure they may not be around for an extended run, but having a couple positions locked down and played the way they should be played in this new system helps the young and inexperienced players learn and perfect their craft for the long haul.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 4, 2011 10:46 AM


Great point...Nnamdi Asomugha still credits his time with Rod Woodson as a big reason why he's the lockdown CB he is today. While Atogwe isn't on that level, one could make the case that Jamal Williams could be that guy to help along our rookie NT/DE.

If the financial commitment is reasonable, it's worth finding out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

He's a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 NT. That's it. Playing him anywhere else would be crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Queen to knight 7....

How are you gonna put Stu in checkmate? He was just calling you out for the above statement, which is patently false.

Sorry, I forgot it was fact free Friday.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Thats funny brownwood.
I know you dont believe it know but our team is better off without Shaun Rogers.
we will move on. As i said we have enough 360 pounders that dont play NT.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Once again you are spouting off without reading what I said. I was saying linemen durability depends on type of offense and types of stadiums they normally play in. I pointed out that Tom Nalen lasted 14 years in Shanny's offense, which is a pretty good career for an offensive lineman.

BRING OUT THE MONK????


Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Actually, jerk-off, it was mostly going against what scamp had to say about it. With that short temper of yours, I bet you are a beater, both of women and yourself cause you are lonely.

BTW, I like when you call me out. That could be a new song:

"Bring out the Monk, ba boom boom boom,

The SPG, I represent,
spouting schtick, to gals and gents,
but some of them are like babies crying in bed,
The biggest baby, IS REDSKINHEAD!!!"

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

RSH

Did you notice how much time Raji spent doing the cockroach on the ground when they played Philly?


Beg to differ.

The next time you watch the Green Bay v. Philly playoff game, you'll see that Raji was a 'spy' who floated to be in position to control Vick.

Too, he formed the middle of their 'picket fence' defense to take away checkdowns and shallow-crossing routes.

Using a NT in this way happens when a guy is very athletic AND big.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Is that like the brand of pen or is that like pwned?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:52 AM


I like to think of it more like "Boom. Roasted."

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Actually, jerk-off, it was mostly going against what scamp had to say about it. With that short temper of yours, I bet you are a beater, both of women and yourself cause you are lonely.

BTW, I like when you call me out. That could be a new song:

"Bring out the Monk, ba boom boom boom,

The SPG, I represent,
spouting schtick, to gals and gents,
but some of them are like babies crying in bed,
The biggest baby, IS REDSKINHEAD!!!"

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM
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I'll give you points for originality, but take away on lack of maturity. Look, don't put my post up there if you weren't reponding to it, and I won't feel like calling you out and trampling those tender little feelings you have.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Check mate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:47 AM |

Jesus. A genius chess player on the blog. How lucky we are!

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Re: Shaun Rogers

Do people realize that he signed with the Saints?

I'm all for the stupid asinine meaningless tit-for-tat arguments about Skins, ex-Skins, and potential-Skins up here - that's the reason this blog exists.

But having them about a guy who stopped in for a day before signing for another team?

I don't know...that's even below me, which is pretty low...

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM |

It is catchy. If you let it out there is a good chance it will catch a STD.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

RSH

Did you notice how much time Raji spent doing the cockroach on the ground when they played Philly?

Beg to differ.

The next time you watch the Green Bay v. Philly playoff game, you'll see that Raji was a 'spy' who floated to be in position to control Vick.

Too, he formed the middle of their 'picket fence' defense to take away checkdowns and shallow-crossing routes.

Using a NT in this way happens when a guy is very athletic AND big.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:04 AM
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All I know is I saw him on his back way too much. Again, not taking away his athleticism, but he's not the space eating, pocket collapser that Haslet wants in his defense. Actually, I think Raji is used more like an end in Green Bay's defense. He usually doesn't line up over center. Look at Washington's nose tackles. When didn't they line up over center last year?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM
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I'll give you points for originality, but take away on lack of maturity. Look, don't put my post up there if you weren't reponding to it, and I won't feel like calling you out and trampling those tender little feelings you have.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Fair enough, but his post was right there with yours, didn't think it was a big deal including yours too. Remember, I'm lazy and don't feel like looking for the original post.

I don't really know what your problem with me is, but maybe it's better if we just ITA to each other. I thought over the past few weeks that we were having good football discussions, you broke my heart, sniff, sniff, sniff.....

Oh wait, I forgot, it's Fact Free Friday, not Fag Friday. I don't care how you feel about me or what you say.

Good Day. I said Good Day!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Man, all you griping and b1tching d-bags don't even realize it's Friday and going to be perfect weather for after-work, top-shelf Margaritas at Lauriol Plaza on the roof deck.

We just signed a starter, in a position of need to a very reasonable deal and are in position to add more talent in this year's draft.

I love how idiots now determine a player's potential with this team based on what defense they played in college. Orakpo played in a 4-3 at Texas and made the pro bowl after playing in a 4-3 and then again last year after playing in a 3-4.

Jesus, am I speakin' Chinese?

Charlie Sheen has it right: If you can't process it, don't try....just sit back and enjoy the show.

I'm waiting for the RI Happy Hour so I can see all the blogging Fonzies and what straight 'ginas they are in real life.

Color me entertained however.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM |

It ain't got no meter,
Just the way you ain't got no peter.

Now that's catchy!

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Huh i didnt even know Lauriol had a roof. Margaritas sound about right.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

* Whistle *

Brownwood has been penalized 1,000 RI Bonus Points for Illegal Facting...an additional 500 RI Bonus Points for quoting a fact...and 50,000 RI Bonus Points for thinking ST21's number shouldn't be retired.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Def: meter -

a. poetic measure; arrangement of words in regularly measured, patterned, or rhythmic lines or verses.

b. a particular form of such arrangement, depending on either the kind or the number of feet constituting the verse or both rhythmic kind and number of feet (usually used in combination): pentameter; dactylic meter; iambic trimeter.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Major hole filled (shaddup, scampbell..)..We have a solid double duty DB in Barnes..Now lets work on the front 7..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Huh i didnt even know Lauriol had a roof. Margaritas sound about right.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 11:19 AM |

The new one, which isn't really new (I think it opened in 2000) is awesome and has a killer deck overlooking 18th just below Adams Morgan. The old one a block down at 18th and S wasn't anything as nice.

I love it there because even the ho's have MBA's.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Now lets work on the front 7..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

...and the Oline.

...and the QB spot.

...oh, yeah and our WR corps.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I know you dont believe it know but our team is better off without Shaun Rogers.
we will move on. As i said we have enough 360 pounders that dont play NT.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 10:59 AM


In our circular discussion, I think you missed the point.

I never said I wanted Rogers, just that you were wrong to think he was gonna play DE in NO.

I'm on record saying I want Jamal Williams as our interim NT until we can groom our own stud centerpiece for our D.

One thing we can agree on: Rogers is a Saint and I'm happy he's not a Redskin.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Major hole filled (shaddup, scampbell..)..We have a solid double duty DB in Barnes..Now lets work on the front 7..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:25 AM |

Did you just call Barnes a doosh bag?

Harsh man, harsh.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Now lets work on the front 7..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

...and the Oline.

...and the QB spot.

...oh, yeah and our WR corps.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:30 AM

Heck, throw a punter in there too.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Major hole filled ...

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:25 AM |

Let's hope it's more than just hole filling. He's the kind of player that could bring a mature approach to the game that other Skins DB asshats like CR and DH are lacking.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

RSH

...but he's (Raji) not the space eating, pocket collapser that Haslet wants in his defense. Actually,I think Raji is used more like an end in Green Bay's defense. He usually doesn't line up over center. Look at Washington's nose tackles.

Good stuff.

And I agree.

Seeing how the 'picket-fence' underneath coverage scheme with the NT drifting back to help sniff out under routes is gaining popularity, you wonder if taking a de-end you can bulk up is better than a pure, 330 pound NT.

Very interesting points, you make.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, someone else in the world agrees with me.

Whoda thunkit.

Per The Censors: SFW!

Take off, eh?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This signing bodes well for the upcoming season as well, maybe will get to watch some football this year..before the Apocalypse breaks out..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The old Lauriol Plaza was much cheaper and made stiffer (and cheaper) pitchers of margaritas. Back when Adams Morgan used to be gritty ... before it became a northern extension of DuPont Circle ... back when Latin Americans used to live near Adams Morgan.

Does the Fox and the Hounds still put a bottle on the bar and charge by the refill of the glass of mixer?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse
"n our circular discussion, I think you missed the point.

I never said I wanted Rogers, just that you were wrong to think he was gonna play DE in NO. "


See my post at:
Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 9:34 AM

Anyhows agreed on the last part. As they say down on the bayou.
Well i dont know what they say, but im sure they have more then one expression for big ole boys like him chowin down on some crawdads.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM |

It is catchy. If you let it out there is a good chance it will catch a STD.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh no, that's not good, I actually wanted a chance with Mrs. Moe! Better put a rubber on it!

SAVE THE RUBBERS!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

kinda mean

I'm waiting for the RI Happy Hour so I can see all the blogging Fonzies and what straight 'ginas they are in real life.


'Straight 'ginas'?

Here I planned to spend RI Happy Hour smoking crack with your quote boy Charlie Sheen.

I guess I'm just as over-consservative as the rest of the guys here.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to make a practical observation here. Perhaps I'm redundant. I know my boss thinks so.

- Is the concept of building a defense who's crux is to have an absolute abborration/freak of nature as a requirement to function really that good an idea?

I mean, it's one thing if you have said player in hand, as I guess we were hoping to with Stompy - we all know how that turned out. But is that the right choice from the onset?

What about building a system that works with average guys and excels once you acquire great players.

I'm not actually talking about our team necessarily - - it seems to be a league wide problem at this point.

I understand WHY teams choose it. But it seems with the 3-4 you're SEVERLY limiting your options and potential.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Take off, eh?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 11:36 AM

"Perhaps a jelly mind help you remember."

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

But if you want the real margarita.

Haydees in Mt Pleasent.
They dope them up or something cause boy. A couple of them will put you out. Also delicious and cheap food...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 4, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"Does the Fox and the Hounds still put a bottle on the bar and charge by the refill of the glass of mixer?

Posted by: dcsween"

I may have partied with you over there, sweeney...Oh, I had a coupla scrapies over there, too..Excellent jukebox, any jukebox that has both Joy Division and Public Enemy is thoroughly righteous..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The old Lauriol Plaza was much cheaper and made stiffer (and cheaper) pitchers of margaritas. Back when Adams Morgan used to be gritty ... before it became a northern extension of DuPont Circle ... back when Latin Americans used to live near Adams Morgan.

Does the Fox and the Hounds still put a bottle on the bar and charge by the refill of the glass of mixer?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 11:40 AM |

Let me tell you something. The old LP sucked balls but I went there anyway. You know how to get a stiff drink? Ask for one while holding a 'Benji. There's not a bar on the planet you cannot get a stiff drink at.

I cannot even say I love the new one as it is a little shi-shi but on a nice day, it's a great spot.

I guess the other 'bags here will just pop a can of beast in the doorway and consider that a night out on the town.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

you wonder if taking a de-end you can bulk up is better than a pure, 330 pound NT.

Very interesting points, you make.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse
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Dallas gets a ton of production out of Ratliff and hes only 303. Raji is listed almost 35 lbs heavier, Wilfork 20+, Hamton 20+...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

What about building a system that works with average guys and excels once you acquire great players.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Hey Dik, let me introduce you to Greg Blache. He's got a defense you might be interested in...

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

...but he's (Raji) not the space eating, pocket collapser that Haslet wants in his defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM |

There ain't that many of them out there. And the amount of exertion required wears them down. Like with Fatsworth. Better to have a plugger than a pusher and let the LBs and DEs break down the protection.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Sounds crazy to me. The guy is a very light 3-4 defensive end (6'4", 263 lbs) that will have to bulk up, or he would be transitioned to linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 9:40 AM

Doesn't sound that crazy. Elvis Dumervil is 5'11" 248 lbs and did just fine in Denver's 3-4. The other day, someone posted a link about how, above a certain height, offensive tackles are at a disadvantage because on the line "the low man wins".

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 10:03 AM
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I read that same article you did. Frankly, I think that article was a case of someone looking for data to support something they had already decided on. The thing I try to remember is these tall offensive tackles are ranked so high in the draft because they played well in college, and they will face some of those guys in the NFL. If they dominated them in college, they will dominate them in the NFL.

Point I was trying to make about the guy was he is too small today to play at 3-4 end and he lacks the coverage skills - and possibly the speed - to play a linebacker today. So, if they take him at number ten they are basically taking a tweener that won't contribute much.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think this is the current Redskin Free Agent List:

ILB H.B. Blades
OT Jammal Brown
CB Phillip Buchanon
S Reed Doughty
WR Mike Furrey
DE Kedric Golston
QB Rex Grossman
OT Stephon Heyer
ILB Rocky McIntosh
WR ­Santana Moss
CB Carlos Rogers
DE Chris Wilson (RFA -- tendered 2nd round)

Posted by: siris | March 4, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Kinda catchy, I like it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM |

It ain't got no meter,
Just the way you ain't got no peter.

Now that's catchy!

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"I'm closer to Eminem, you're closer to Vanilla Ice,
You're mom's skankier than Posh Spice,

My rhymes aren't for everyone, as you can plainly see,
You're rhymes were so dumb, they should be charged a fee.

For my final statement, I'll give you a glance,
No User ID is gayer, than LibertyValence!"

Word To Your Mother!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I guess the other 'bags here will just pop a can of beast in the doorway and consider that a night out on the town.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 11:48 AM

Now we're talking!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

you wonder if taking a de-end you can bulk up is better than a pure, 330 pound NT.

Very interesting points, you make.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse
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Dallas gets a ton of production out of Ratliff and hes only 303. Raji is listed almost 35 lbs heavier, Wilfork 20+, Hamton 20+...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

THey're all heavier than Ratliff, who has always been the exception and not the norm.

Wade Phillips schemed his 3-4 in a way that specifically allowed Ratliff to shoot alot of gaps.

Word is that Ratliff is going to move back to DE in Rob Ryan's scheme and they are going to get a more traditional fat-load of NT.

I'm more and more becoming a fan of taking a beastly pass-rushing OLB at #10, and then grabbibg Paea in the 2nd. He seems like the kind of guy who could switch between DE and NT in the 3-4.

Between Paea, Anthony Bryant and some cheap fat-arsed FA to be named later, I think we could patch together a solid middle of the 3-4.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What about building a system that works with average guys and excels once you acquire great players.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey Dik, let me introduce you to Greg Blache. He's got a defense you might be interested in...

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 11:52 AM
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Funny how one of the reasons cited for moving to the 3-4 was that it would be easier to get players that fit. Now, it seems like the team is having trouble getting players that fit...

BTW, I think Blache's defense works better with pro-bowl caliber safeties. Green Bay chewed the safeties up and everyone will be sporting the same game plan this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The old Lauriol Plaza was much cheaper and made stiffer (and cheaper) pitchers of margaritas. Back when Adams Morgan used to be gritty ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 11:40 AM |

One time the bouncers tossed me when they asked for ID and I showed them the bird instead of my driver's license.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Point I was trying to make about the guy was he is too small today to play at 3-4 end and he lacks the coverage skills - and possibly the speed - to play a linebacker today. So, if they take him at number ten they are basically taking a tweener that won't contribute much.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 11:55 AM

Won't contribute much this year is what I meant. Ultimately, the guy could be really good. I read that most scouts have him pegged as an eventual 3-4 end so he'll have to pack on the pounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Excellent signing! Atogwe is a huge upgrade. Moore will be lucky to make the roster next year. He always seems to be in the right position, but needs to learn how to tackle with his arms.

The Skins should resign Doughy as he's a decent backup at both S spots and a good special teams player.

Posted by: siris | March 4, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

you wonder if taking a de-end you can bulk up is better than a pure, 330 pound NT.

Very interesting points, you make.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse
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Dallas gets a ton of production out of Ratliff and hes only 303. Raji is listed almost 35 lbs heavier, Wilfork 20+, Hamton 20+...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 11:49 AM
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I wonder if Jarmin could fill that role. The dude had the frame to pack on the pounds and he has the speed...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Word To Your Mother!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM


You were actually OK until you did that.

Word To Your Mother = 1988

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

One time the bouncers tossed me when they asked for ID and I showed them the bird instead of my driver's license.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 11:59 AM

They asked for your ID and you gave them your IQ. What a phukhead.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM |

Heh, heh. Weaker than Larry King's urine stream! And you had like 3 hrs to think about it!

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"I'm closer to Eminem, you're closer to Vanilla Ice,
You're mom's skankier than Posh Spice,

My rhymes aren't for everyone, as you can plainly see,
You're rhymes were so dumb, they should be charged a fee.

For my final statement, I'll give you a glance,
No User ID is gayer, than LibertyValence!"

Word To Your Mother!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM |

LOL. Dude, you sound like someone's dad trying to be hip.

I bet you even try to beat-box and end up coughing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Word To Your Mother = 1988

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:09 PM

That will cost you another 1,000 bonus points...keep it up brown.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

They don't have that CD playin' jukebox over there anymore, replaced it with one of those digital single thangys..Since 9-11, it's like we're livin' in Occupied France..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

They asked for your ID and you gave them your IQ. What a phukhead.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 12:10 PM |

They asked for your ID and you gave them your IQ = 1958

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

When did Big Mike change the name of the blog? Is this TI now? Wtf?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Jarmin could fill that role. The dude had the frame to pack on the pounds and he has the speed...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 4, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon's back up to 290 lbs already. In Haslett's scheme the NT plays right in front of the center. His job is to beat the crap out of the center. The problem with Jarmon is that he plays too tall to be a NT in this scheme. His legs are too long. The center would just get under him and drive him back. If we changed the scheme and let him try to shoot gaps like Wade Phillips scheme then it might work. A guy like Stephen Paea would work for us because he's got a lot lower stance due to his stubby legs. I'd love to see Jarmon at DE with Paea as the NT. The guys that I think would work best for us at NT look like they have tree trunks for legs. Short and stout and can collapse the pocket. Make the QB step backwards into Orakpo's arms.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

They asked for your ID and you gave them your IQ = 1958

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:14 PM

Wanna try that again, LV? haha

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

All we need to care about as fans is that he is an upgrade. I think most fans have always overestimated the talent on this team. Right now we don't have much. On either side of the ball. It doesn't matter that he is not the future or a long term solution. Right now he is better than what we had.
The next thing we need to address is a #1 and #2 WR. Because right now we don't have any of those either.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 4, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Good catch PA...where do we go for Redskins info now?

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 4, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

They asked for your ID and you gave them your IQ = 1958

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:14 PM

What you did = imbecile
Bragging about how clever you were = whack-a-doodle

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

your rap is so retarded...i just farted.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Good catch PA...where do we go for Redskins info now?

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 4, 2011 12:18 PM

Weird...the main page of RI still says Redskins Insider...guess we can stay here for now?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

A guy like Stephen Paea would work for us because he's got a lot lower stance due to his stubby legs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 12:16 PM |

Forget his legs. All he has to do is grab the center and lift him up and the pocket will collapse faster than a Cow practice facility in a strong wind.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

1st Round - Best Available OLB opposite OSackPo

2nd Round - Best Available NT or Jimmy Smith (CB)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Word To Your Mother!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM |

LOL. Dude, you sound like someone's dad trying to be hip.

I bet you even try to beat-box and end up coughing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:12 PM

Monk = Eugene Levy in "Bringin' Down The House"

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I was kicking it old school! lol

I know, kinda embarrassing right?

I'll just stick to working in the monestary. If it's any consolation, PlayAction was the one that thought of the 'Word to your Mother' bit, damn sock puppet!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Per Cindy Boren, OJ Atogwe will not be sporting #21.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM

That's too bad...dude should be able to keep his number. If the team wants to put a 5 year moratoriam on #21, I can live with that...but to take a number out of circulation is stupid if you're not gonna retire it. Instead of agonizing over when to wear gold pants, BA should get on the task of fixing that debacle once and for all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM

per Cindy B? Love Cindy but she had nothing to do with unearthing the fact that OJ won't wear #21. You can thank yours truly..

13 hours ago: @blessedskins21 Congrats, glad to have you as a Redskin. What # do you plan on wearing in the burgundy and gold?
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OJ's response..

blessedskins Oshiomogho Atogwe
With all due respect, I will not be rocking nor even asking to rock 21…

Some of you guys should read more, post less. BTW, bw26 no # is officially retired.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Just wonderin'

Who's playing RT for the Skins this year? That guy we gave up a 3rd rounder for last year is gone, right? Howabout RG? C? LG?

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 4, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

perfect draft
-trade down with st.Louis( get their 14th& 3th round)they desperately want Julio Jones.

-resign carols rogers, Santana moss,Jamal brown

- sign mike-Sims walker,wr

1.Robert Quinn,olb(north Carolina)
2.Phil Taylor,NT(Baylor)
3.Casey Matthews,mlb(Oregon)
5.Dion Lewis,Rb,(Pitt) or Demarco Murray(oklahoma)
5.Andrew Jackson,g (Fresno state)

Posted by: cedric01 | March 5, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I see Shanahan going up to get a QB. That was his history with Cutler.

He would be much better off doing something like this and waiting until next year to draft QB. However, I would go Lewis not Murray in the 5th who has been injured too much. Doubt Lewis will still be there.

Posted by: ElYeah | March 7, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

This is certainly better than what we had. However, there was little to no help in this draft. Getting OJ helps address one of the more glaring needs on the defense. Now, we need to get a starter at NT and another starter at OLB opposite Rak. I'm liking this signing, however I really hope he doesn't wear 21. Too soon

Posted by: bmac301 | March 7, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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