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Shanahan interested in Terrell Owens or Brandon Marshall?

Before we get to the question and the non-answer, let's first establish what we know:

(1) Kyle Shanahan had the league's top-ranked passing attack last season.

(2) The Redskins were interested enough in upgrading the wide receiver position to bring in free agent Antonio Bryant for a visit. He signed elsewhere, and the Redskins likely would consider others.

(3) Terrell Owens is in need of a new home, and Brandon Marshall appears to be headed out of Denver.

So would Shanahan have any interest in either of these controversial wide receivers?

Spoiler alert: He isn't tipping his hand. Shanahan wouldn't rule out either receiver and indicated that as free agent prices fall, the Redskins could get involved in the bidding process with some players well after the draft.

Shanahan strongly considered signing Owens in 2006, before the outspoken, headline-grabbing receiver joined the Dallas Cowboys. Asked this week about Owens, an unrestricted free agent, Shanahan said:

"We don't talk about who's on our radar screen for obvious reasons, but we do have a plan. And sometimes we'll wait to see what the market value is relative to the price, how many guys might be out there. But we're going to constantly try to upgrade our football team, and sometimes it has to do with salary as much as has to do with just getting depth. And maybe after our minicamps, maybe after the draft, some guy will be out there, and we'll gobble him because we think he has a chance to improve our football team."

Some reports indicate that Owens wants to match his $6.5 million salary from last season, though his agent has said the receiver will be more flexible.

Marshall is another intriguing name. There are differing reports about the relationship he and Shanahan shared in Denver. Marshall is a restricted free agent and carries a first-round tender. The Redskins wouldn't part with fourth overall pick for Marshall, but the Broncos could always consider a trade.

Shanahan smiled when asked about Marshall this week. "Just have to wait and see," he said. "Can't share that with you."

By Rick Maese  |  March 26, 2010; 10:44 AM ET
Categories:  Free agency  
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Comments

Can't read my.. can't read my.. no he can't read my poker face.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 26, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Wid receiver threats? Wow!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Can't read my.. can't read my.. no he can't read my poker face.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 26, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse
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Settle down, everyone. That loud bang you just heard was RI hitting bottom. No need to panic.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I can see brandon marshall since he already coached him.

No to TO....

As long as the price drops to this years 2nd for their third and marshall and next years 2nd... then we trade next years third and this years third for a 2nd this year....

I would be cool with that.

except we have no 2nd or 3rd next year... but there wont be a draft anyway ;()

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Focus on the problems at hand SHANNY, don't create more of them.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

that should say

2010 #2
2011 #2

For BM #15
and Den #3 2010

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Bringing in either of these receivers would simply be like putting mud flaps on a jalopy. And neither of these receivers is gonig to associate themselves with the resident lost cause QB. At least so long as JC17 is taking the snaps, the Redskin passing game will be rated somewhere between "missing in action" to "nonexistent."

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Shanny go get marshall to catch passes from campbell because if he can't make this qb look better you no he's got to go. no more excusses for jason. if it was up to me he been would have been out of here.

Posted by: dakel76 | March 26, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

the the last part of my equation is to get back into the 2nd round in 2010 by trading

den#3 2010
skins#3 2011

Call it madden if you must... but it has been done

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO. No to Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

and add in players to make it fair since it would probably require that to make the nnumbers on the 'sheet' match

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Settle down, everyone. That loud bang you just heard was RI hitting bottom. No need to panic.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 10:50 AM

Ha, if you think that's the bottom, you haven't been paying enough attention.

We're not going after either of these guys.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

LRC stands for Locker Room Cancer. Can't you just stop with LJ?

Posted by: ElYeah | March 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's just stick with the check-downs.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I mean why change a failed scheme with the players already on your roster when you can just draft Peyton BreesFavre to pull it off? That seems perfectly logical. Let's just keep doing stupid things and blaming our players for not "executing" until we draft a once in a lifetime QB prospect. That's definitely not a tremendous waste of resources or anything. Who cares if we have no run blocking either. We'll just wait until we draft BarrJim SandBrownGurski.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This is pathetic...No Mease, No.

No to TO
No to trading anything lower than a 3 and we don't have a 3.
No to trading Cooley or Davis for Marshall.

C'Mon, you're better than this, right?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Giving up the equivalent that we would give for Marshall or Owens in order to get a high quality offensive tackle would make more sense...But who wants to make sense?? Marshall over Owens , though, without a doubt, for sheer offensiveness...I mean , offensive production..

Posted by: frak | March 26, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan smiled when asked about Marshall this week. "Just have to wait and see," he said. "Can't share that with you."

By Rick Maese | March 26, 2010; 10:44 AM ET
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I think Shanahan's ego is tempted to take Marshall. Recall that Shanny selected Marshall in 06 using the Skin's 4th round pick, one of 3 picks obtained from the Skins for allowing them to move up to get JC in 05.
Marshall has made the probowl in 08 and 09 but, has been underutilized. And Shanny's departure from Denver was on a "no comment" contentious level. So, with Marshall, again, Shanny will have a chance to show the Broncos how to obtained value from his original pick. And it allows him to maintain continued ownership of his greatest personnel "finds", what may be a perennial probowler uncovered in the 4th round of 2006.

Skins will find a way to get Marshall. But he is not worth the 1st round tender before the Draft. And by waiting, Shanny, is letting the "Market speak" to Marshall's worth ie.. no Offers so far.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

and interdivision.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 10:45 AM

It can happen if he that's the highest they can get for him. Our 3rd is at the top of the round......Eagles are looking for best value....It can happen with two open minded people such as BA/Shanny and their GM/Reid.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Did we even bring in Bryant for a visit? I thought that was BS they created to drive up the price.

From previous thread, we do not hold a 3rd round pick to trade for McNabb. Eagles want something in the top 42 for him.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 26, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And Dr. Samuel Johnson is right about Olson Johnson being right...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 26, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Marshall: Sure bring him in if the price is right. If not, no deal. Simple.

to: Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha. One of the enjoyable sub plots of this offseason is drew rosenhaus pathetic pimping of to. Its awesome that he is crawling along the League trying to get him signed.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 26, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Dwight: I need a baby. I'll never outsell Jim and Pam without one. Also, I've been noticing a gaping hole in my life. Sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's just stick with the check-downs.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I mean why change a failed scheme with the players already on your roster when you can just draft Peyton BreesFavre to pull it off? That seems perfectly logical. Let's just keep doing stupid things and blaming our players for not "executing" until we draft a once in a lifetime QB prospect. That's definitely not a tremendous waste of resources or anything. Who cares if we have no run blocking either. We'll just wait until we draft BarrJim SandBrownGurski.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse


This is just funny.

I made a comment on the last thread about how JC17 does not have the talent or the stones to make the same kinds of throws that Drew Brees and Brett Favre do.

And true to form, I get a mob of JC Defenders at my doorstep with torches and pitchforks in hand.

Okay guys, I give up.

I'm sorry I said that JC17 is not as good or ballsy as Favre and Brees.

You guys are right.

JC17, Favre and Brees. They are equals. They deserve equal respect and treatment.

Happy?

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Dan LeFevour is on ESPN First Take doing some stupid "First Take Combine"...corny stuff but he's a pretty impressive guy. I think he'd look good in burgundy and gold...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

T.O. maybe, no to B Marshall unless they cut him. No way we trade one of our first day picks for a wide receiver,

Posted by: MadeRED | March 26, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

El;

BM knows shanny and was not an issue with him. It is all about the leader of me.

Look at randy moss, belicheck set him straight

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

No, you just made an invalid comparison and we called you out on it. It's not the same throw and we pointed that out. Now instead of admitting you were wrong you decided to whine about being jumped on again. Stop trying to act like a victim here. You started it intentionally...again.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but I would be fine with us signing TO. He was very productive in his first year with the other NFC East teams - and his attitude was fine the FIRST year. Both the Eagles and the Cowboys made the playoffs.

We would not have to give up a draft pick so I would have no problem with it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 26, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Not interested in either.

TO is simply no good anymore.

B.Marshall is good but he's going to come with a price tag and issues.

Run with the young guys this year. If they are a big failure, we can address WR next year.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If we don't bring in a No. 1 receiver, you can't expect the passing game to suddenly appear out of nowhere. For Vic1, JC's struggles can easily be attributed to the lack of an o-line. Look at the top 5 o-lines in the NFL and then check out the QB's. Saints(Brees), Vikings(Favre, Colts(Manning), Pats(Brady). The only exception was Rodgers in GB, but that's the exception not the rule. It's no surprise that Cassel had an amazing year with the Patriots and then struggled horribly with the Chiefs. That's what happens when you don't have an o-line. Fix the o-line with the draft and find a way to get a No 1 WR. I love Moss, but he screams slot receiver, not No 1.

Posted by: rreader | March 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

We like to complain about how many balls S Moss and others have dropped….imagine how bad it would be with TO dropping 1-2 catchable balls per game, and then whining about how he doesn’t get enough touches.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but I would be fine with us signing TO. He was very productive in his first year with the other NFC East teams - and his attitude was fine the FIRST year. Both the Eagles and the Cowboys made the playoffs.

We would not have to give up a draft pick so I would have no problem with it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 26, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. But it has to be the right price. Bruce Allen seems to be a financial/salary cap genius so I'm sure he could make it work

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely NO to T.O.

I'd take a look at Marshall but wouldn't spend a heckuva lot of time trying. I might offer up Davis and one (or both) of the 2nd round WRs from '08, but no picks. If Denver bites, then great...you're got a legit WR on one side, Moss on the other side and Cooley at TE. If not, no biggie...you just set a fire under your young WRs to shape up or ship out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but I would be fine with us signing TO. He was very productive in his first year with the other NFC East teams - and his attitude was fine the FIRST year. Both the Eagles and the Cowboys made the playoffs.

We would not have to give up a draft pick so I would have no problem with it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 26, 2010 11:06 AM

Lisa- That was 6 years ago with the Eagles and 4 years ago with the cowboys. You're crazy, I didn't want to say that but you asked for it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

made, we only have one 1st day pick. the first round is thurs night, primetime by itself.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I might offer up Davis and one (or both) of the 2nd round WRs from '08

Yikes, brown you crazy....thats just dumb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers in GB hasn't had his knees broken yet like JC has, because of a sh*tty O-line, but he's working on it..

Posted by: frak | March 26, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Well, Lisa, i would have a problem with it. to is a proven azz hat of the highest order. He is a repeat offender.... EVERYWHERE he has ever played. Except Buffalo. How sad is it that BUFFALO won't resign you after one year?

Besides, the only thing i want to remember about to in close connection with the Redskins is ST21 rocking his world and completing pwning his punk azz.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 26, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

No, you just made an invalid comparison and we called you out on it. It's not the same throw and we pointed that out. Now instead of admitting you were wrong you decided to whine about being jumped on again. Stop trying to act like a victim here. You started it intentionally...again.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse


I said I was sorry.

It's the scheme, the O-line, the coaches and the WRs.

That's why JC can't make the throw.

In fact it's the universe. It's unfair that JC17 has to play in this universe. If Shallen could focus on changing the universe that JC plays in, then we'll see the success that JC is destined for.

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In all seriousness, your counterpoint is totally bogus. It's not a jump-ball throw like a fade route. It's not about having a tall possession receiver. It's about timing, touch, accuracy and the receiver stopping the route in the right spot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO. No to Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 10:56 AM
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Imagine the first game of the season and CAmpbell does his patented panic overthrow or underthrow to TO. Or, as Casserly has shown, he ignores TO, who is open long for a possibly scoring completion and as Campbell often does, he throws the safe short pass for a worthless gain (except for his QB rating).
When all of the above occurs, the chemistry on the field and in the locker room will be TO Toxic. It'll be great soap opera for the Wash Post writers to sell papers but, it will poison the season.
No to TO, or find him a bonafide starting NFL QB.

+++L-S heres that Casserly video you wanted to see.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

JC17, Favre and Brees. They are equals. They deserve equal respect and treatment.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse
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Give JC17 Bush/Peterson, Rice/Colston, and Payton/Childress, and you might be surprised how unspectacular such a notion might be

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks ,Netanyahu, and thanks for all the fish..Anytime you want to send a Mossad demolition team to kill 3000 Americans, give a holler..We'll escort them and your Bin Laden partners in crime out again, even, who luvs ya, Israel..

Posted by: frak | March 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Snagm,
Agree with your overall theme, F to with a burning 2x4.

But

It'll be great soap opera for the Wash Post writers to sell papers but, it will poison the season.


wapo should realize they will sell more papers if the Redskins are winning.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 26, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO. No to Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 10:56 AM
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Imagine the first game of the season and CAmpbell does his patented panic overthrow or underthrow to TO. Or, as Casserly has shown, he ignores TO, who is open long for a possibly scoring completion and as Campbell often does, he throws the safe short pass for a worthless gain (except for his QB rating).
When all of the above occurs, the chemistry on the field and in the locker room will be TO Toxic. It'll be great soap opera for the Wash Post writers to sell papers but, it will poison the season.
No to TO, or find him a bonafide starting NFL QB.

+++L-S heres that Casserly video you wanted to see.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Point taken, yes, it has disaster potential but he spent last year in Buffalo with a sub-par passing attack and didn't throw a tantrum. I think he knows he's getting old so he's probably gonna keep his mouth shut more often than not.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

AFter 10 years of Snyder insanity, I've stopped going to Redskins games, bought no merchandise, and even had some other Sunday afternoon committments that took precedence. But, I'm still rooting for them, and wish them the best.
If they bring in TO, I'm burning that bridge, and the Capitals, Nationals, and United have my loyalty from here on out. TO is toxic. There is NO TEAM in TO. Gibbs won because he had a team (that hung together for more than a decade and won 3 Super Bowls). Granted, free agency has changed things, but Terrell Owens in burgundy and gold? That's as bad as watching Neon Deon make a monkey out of Snyder and hold us hostage to salary cap in his "second" year as a Redskin.

Posted by: humbleandfree | March 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

One word for TO:

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: barriesargent | March 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO. No to Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

So, you want the declining star receiver who's been a cancer on three teams, and not the ascending star receiver who's only been a problem on one. Ooooo-kay.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Give JC17 Bush/Peterson, Rice/Colston, and Payton/Childress, and you might be surprised how unspectacular such a notion might be

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse


Really? Tavaris Jackson, Sage Rosenfels and Gus Frerotte have had the pleasure of having Peterson, Rice and Childress.

Funny that it didn't exactly make them automatic ProBowlers or get them to the NFC Championship game.

But I understand your point.

JC17 is properly categorized with the likes of Favre and not Jackson/Frerrotte/Rosenfels.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

+++L-S heres that Casserly video you wanted to see.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:15 AM
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most amusing part of this cbs video that Casserly compiled, was the timing.
It aired just prior to the NFL trading deadline in October. Recall Snyder's ongoing attempts to trade JC last year.
And remember the classless, cold way that Snyder fired Casserly. A successful GM whose Redskin pedigree went back to the George Allen days as an unpaid intern sleeping in his car on college scouting trips.
Ah, revenge served cold is best.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

No TO nor BM, I like what we have. Need to upgrade OL for better QB protection, our WR will take care the show this season.

Posted by: bigskin04 | March 26, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, your counterpoint is totally bogus. It's not a jump-ball throw like a fade route. It's not about having a tall possession receiver. It's about timing, touch, accuracy and the receiver stopping the route in the right spot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

My point is not bogus. It's about the receiver getting open and creating that window. I'm speaking of only the guys on our roster. If we had Wes Welker or another short guy who could also get open underneath then we could use him as a posession receiver. We don't have Wes Welker. We have Santana Moss. The reason we have to use a taller guy is because Moss doesn't get open so yes it is in fact a jump ball. That's why Kelly would be better in that sitation. With a CB right on top of Moss he will get beat out for the ball. It happens several times a game and that's if he doesn't drop it. Kelly can at least fight for the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

marshall talk is completely misleading. Shanny is pulling the strings on the Washington post reporters. "wait and see" is total BS. but I guess they still have to report on what's "said".

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Why are we stuck choosing between TO and Marshall?

Posted by: edvar | March 26, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO. No to Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

So, you want the declining star receiver who's been a cancer on three teams, and not the ascending star receiver who's only been a problem on one. Ooooo-kay.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, Marshall's cost is way higher than TO's. And yes, I would take the declining WR who has probably matured and realized he can't act like a jacka** all the time over the new, young immature WR who still has a lot of attitude and me 1st left in the tank.

If Shanahan can contain Marshall's babyness then yes, of course I would take Marshall over TO. But I don't see that happening.

So yeah. Oooo kay

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Coach will trade Portis for Marshall?

Posted by: Sulphide1 | March 26, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The Skins can't sign Marshall. The NFL has a rule - no more than one women beater per roster.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 26, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

now watch them pull a trade off for a combo of picks and players that include one of our TE.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Shanny's statement that "you'll just have to wait and see" implies that there is something to wait for, i.e., something that is coming up re: Marshall. Say, Marshall and a 3rd rounder for Cooley and D. Thomas?

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I might offer up Davis and one (or both) of the 2nd round WRs from '08

Yikes, brown you crazy....thats just dumb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:13 AM


I don't see why...the only guy out of the 3 you know can play is Davis. And we've already got a Pro-Bowler at his spot. You're talking about getting a Pro-Bowl caliber WR in his prime for two younger WRs that MIGHT be able to play. I'd make that deal twice.

But I gotta say, the only reason I'd even entertain taking that chance on Marshall is because he already knows this offense and has proven he can play at a high level in it. Much different from the round hole/square peg type moves the Skins have made in years past. So long as no picks are involved, I'd at least see if Denver will go for it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Maybe neither TO or BM come to Washington, but this offense needs a big body at receiver. Kelly never really stepped into the role and he doesn't have the speed to be a number one receiver. DT is big but not BM or TO big. I can see the team making a move here to get a big possession-type receiver to move the chains, but I don't know from where. Santana Moss doesn't fit this offense too well. I could totally see them moving him in a deal to bring a bigger receiver in.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 26, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

we have 3 young WR and Moss. we have other needs and priorities. Well, Marshall is a what you would get if you fused DT,MK,MM together. Talent and youth all rolled up into one. Would you trade all three for one? Silly question just for fun.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Shanny's statement that "you'll just have to wait and see" implies that there is something to wait for, i.e., something that is coming up re: Marshall. Say, Marshall and a 3rd rounder for Cooley and D. Thomas?

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Got a nice "Cerrato" smell to it.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 26, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Brown, if they trade a TE it will be Cooley and not Davis. Davis fits Shanny's eye. He's Shannon Sharpe.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 26, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Didn't the Broncs already say that they want no worse than a #2 and really prefer a #1 for Marshall?

Do the 'Skins have a #2?

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 26, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Shanny's statement that "you'll just have to wait and see" implies that there is something to wait for, i.e., something that is coming up re: Marshall. Say, Marshall and a 3rd rounder for Cooley and D. Thomas?

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:31 AM
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rb..You may be close.
TE is the only depth the Skins have for any trade-in-kind.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

yes tommy.

5th pick in rd 2, #37 overall

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:34 AM


No. I wouldnt make the trade. If the trade goes through you have Moss, Marshall and who else Marques Hagans...Mike Espy. If the teams of the last few years have taught the skins anything its that you need to have depth at all positions.

I do like RSH's idea of selling Moss why he still has some value. I think the skins could get a 3rd for him.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 26, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Do the 'Skins have a #2?

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 26, 2010 11:35 AM |
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If you're referring to what my 5 year old calls a # 2, they have more than one of those.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 26, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

tommy, and the point is there are no suitors yet... so maybe they drop it down, or like I said, get a #2 for marshall plus throw in a pick. 37 overall is pretty close to rd 1, so it is feasible, at least, in my eyes.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse


This is a good thread. Black vs white, God vs the Devil. A chance for the J-freaks and Tebow Lovers to strike back.

Waal, I don't think the skins should take Tebow, because as bad as teh 'skins are every draft pick is precious and the high ones can't be used for speculative purposes.

As for TO & Marshall. No, and Hell no.

Conflict--it's the soul of drama.

Oh, it's good for getting hits on the ol' blog too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 26, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Would you trade all three for one? Silly question just for fun."

Three guys who's career totals combined don't sniff a fraction of what Marshall does in a single season? Shouldn't even be a question. That's like asking if we had the opportunity to trade Justin Tryon, Kevin Barnes, and Byron Westbrook for Nnamdi Asomugha, would we take it?

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

what would the broncos possibly want from us aside from draft picks? A position of need for them, and position in which we have quality depth. Is sheffler still one of Mcdaniels favorite club house leaders?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

My point is not bogus. It's about the receiver getting open and creating that window. I'm speaking of only the guys on our roster. If we had Wes Welker or another short guy who could also get open underneath then we could use him as a posession receiver. We don't have Wes Welker. We have Santana Moss. The reason we have to use a taller guy is because Moss doesn't get open so yes it is in fact a jump ball. That's why Kelly would be better in that sitation. With a CB right on top of Moss he will get beat out for the ball. It happens several times a game and that's if he doesn't drop it. Kelly can at least fight for the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse


It's not about "creating" a window, or "getting" open.

The window is there.

It is the "in-between" part of the zone right past the underneath coverage, but right in front of the safety over top.

It is a very small window, that is made even smaller assuming that the CB and safety are doing their jobs really well.

Small window that it is, it takes a tremendous amount of accuracy, arm-strength and timing to make the throw because it is easily picked off otherwise - which also makes it a ballsy throw to attempt.

Cue up the NFL Gamecenter Highlights of the Minny v. GB game (the one played in Minnesota). At about 1:20, you'll see precisely what I'm talking about.

Favre hits Bernard Berrian over top of the CB and right before the safety gets there.

Berrian's size has nothing to do with the throw. He doesn't even jump for it. He catches in clean and then gets clobbered by the safety, but holds on.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I will not get my panties in a ruffle over this until I see that a trade has been made or a contract has been signed.

I don't see either of these guys wearing maroon and black.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 26, 2010 11:35 AM

Tommy Lasorda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5B9B_jqyh0

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't think TO would be as big of a problem as most of you think. AND it would make for incredible PHI vs. WAS & DAL vs. WAS games. I say go for TO...

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse |

Yeah, it would be GREAT TV to have isolation shots of TO standing, hands on hips downfield as as an ambulance rolls onto the filed to take away another flattened QB.

Posted by: TheCork | March 26, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

and we are not trading cooley. his contract is too big, and as this FA period has shown... wallets are tight.

This is the reason i dont see MCNabb being traded. His deal is up and will be looking for big money,.. why not wait a year to see if he hits FA...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Really? Tavaris Jackson, Sage Rosenfels and Gus Frerotte have had the pleasure of having Peterson, Rice and Childress.

Funny that it didn't exactly make them automatic ProBowlers or get them to the NFC Championship game.

But I understand your point.

JC17 is properly categorized with the likes of Favre and not Jackson/Frerrotte/Rosenfels.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse
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Frerotte/Jackson took the Vikes to 10-6, so I hope you do understand my point. Frerrote/Jackson/JC/Farve aren't separated by a ton when playing on a great team.

Conversely, we've seen all 4 of them play like crap on bad teams, so... you do the math

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Buffalo doesn't want TO back despite the apparent lack of locker room problems suggests that the tank is pretty close to dry. If Shanny believes that Marshall's BS will decline to an acceptable level with a new contract, and that his rights can be obtained for a reasonable price, I say go for it. The guy is a beast on the field.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

brown, FD/MK/DT for Marshall REEKS of something Snyder would have done 10 years ago....I just cannot grasp how gutting the TE depth, and gutting the WR depth for 1 player is a good move....thats just mind numbingly

So the only reason we know Davis can play is because the former coach was too stubborn/short-sighted to play him until the guy in front of him got hurt. But you're convinced that DT/MK can't even though its pretty clear that they weren't being used properly?

Really brown....I mean, re-watch the New Orleans game, and tell me that DT can't play...sorry, but I'm not buying that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Just thought of something funny, jz now is in Balmer, whose unis are marroon(ish) and black.

Yeah, its early in Hawaii, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Buffalo doesn't want TO back despite the apparent lack of locker room problems suggests that the tank is pretty close to dry.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse
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Its tough to tell whether it's the tank or the wallet that's dry in Buffalo. Definitely not worth $6.5 mil

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

and tell me, if Baltimore traded for Marshall, seeing as how they needed a WR, everyone ould say that their locker room/ coach could keep him in check.

I feel, now, we can say the same here. Based upon the meager reports from players about what is going on.

So if for them = good, then us = good. We wont overpay, cause we have real football people running the show.

Just biding our time until Den starts getting desparate. And wouldnt shanny love to stick it to them...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV,
From your question on the previous post: yes, I think Moss threw the o-line under the bus. If his game was all that, then I could see him making a statement on the play of the o-line or the play at QB, but his game was not all that. Moss has had declining production over the last three seasons and he drops a lot of balls. Moss, like Blache, should be throwing himself under that bus.

I know the o-line was bad. Geesh, they stunk it up last year, but they probably weren't as bad as people accuse them of being. At least some of their breakdowns were the result of coverage schemes where they were at the mercy of a QB who could not make audibles. Moss knows this, but to defend his "U" buddy, he'd rather throw the o-line under the bus rather than say his "U" buddy was just plain out of shape last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 26, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Marshall would certainly open up Santana's game, no doubt..But at this rate, Redskins Park will need barbed wire and machine gun towers to keep the Dirty Dozen in line..

Posted by: frak | March 26, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

A team studded with malcontents just creates another hurdle for that team to overcome. No to Marshall and TO !!!

Posted by: pd2710 | March 26, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

roster A) Moss,Cooley,Davis
roster B) Moss,Marshal,Davis

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

pd;

one name - Randy Moss

It can be done with the right leaders. I feel we finally have those.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Frerotte/Jackson took the Vikes to 10-6, so I hope you do understand my point. Frerrote/Jackson/JC/Farve aren't separated by a ton when playing on a great team.

Conversely, we've seen all 4 of them play like crap on bad teams, so... you do the math

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse


Sorry. I don't understand your point.

What are you saying?

That Favre's ability to make certain throws that JC cannot has to do with coaching, WRs and running backs?

Because my point is simply that Jason Campbell does not have the kind of talent or stones to make the the same kinds of throws that Brees and Favre do.

And I'm frankly shocked that even the JC Defenders among us find that to be a controversial statement.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Just when the Redskin's start sounding respectable, the Owens and Marshall cancers get floated for fanbase reaction.

Some things never change.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

How this post came to be:

Reid and Maese made a bet over continental breakfast this morning about whether or not they could hit 500 posts today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

so if you do trade, FD/MK/DT, and then CCooley gets hurt, its Yoder time, nice....

Or if Moss/Marshall get hurt, its....um...can someone get James Thrash's number, and is Keenan in shape?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

How this post came to be:

Reid and Maese made a bet over continental breakfast this morning about whether or not they could hit 500 posts today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse


Seriously.

This post is one of those "controversies by silence".


Next thread:

Is Cerratto on his way back???

"Bruce Allen does not comment when asked if Vinny Cerratto is going to be re-hired as an exec-VP. Here's our poll."

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Favre w/NYJ (08): 22 TDs, 22 INTs, record 9-7
Sanchez w/NYJ (09): 12 TDs, 20 INTs, record 9-7

Skins record (2006-2009): 26-38
Skins before JC started (2000-2005): 44-52

Brees w/Saints (2006-2008): 25-21
Brees w/Saints 2009: 13-3 (SB)

Brees didn't really blossom until his 4th year in the league. He's had exactly 2 coaches: Shottenheimer from 2001-2005 and Payton from 2006 to present.

Conclusion: stability pays off, and QBs play better when given a stable organization.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal?? You people are idiots. Bring in TO. What is the risk? He is unrestricted, would get an incentitive laden 1 year contract. and you know he will play his a** off in the NFC East. He get to face Philly and Dallas twice a year. Come on people. TO would be perfect here and he is a tough sob. We need somebody to show our big young recievers how to practice and prepare! I sure wouldnt want the to learn from Marshall. Plus we would have to surrender picks for him. Marshall is good but to risky in my opinion.

Posted by: digger76 | March 26, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Could Lavar Arington be coming out of retirement to play for the Skins next season?

Shanahan didn't deny it, so it could happen!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 26, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Conclusion: stability pays off, and QBs play better when given a stable organization.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse


Or there could be another conclusion:

Stability pays off. And when QBs play well and win, it stabilizies the organization.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs - No suitors? Have you been away?????

There have been suitors since Den's season ended last winter.

Google: Brandon Marshall Trade 2010 - there are about 200,000 hits!!!!

Denver's price is too high for what the Skins would get.

And, for the record, Baltimore, who has a much bigger need at WR, talked seriously to Denver and then went elsewhere.

Diesel44 - No, not that Tommy....

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 26, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:53 AM


Its not a controversial statement its a stupid one. Whether you like JC or not, it is apparent he can make every throw at this level. Maybe not the fade so much, but he has shown he can make every other throw with ease. Nobody is arguing that Favre and Brees arent better, but there are other circumstances besides having stones.

It also doesnt help your argument when you make ridiculous statements like, "Its not about creating a window or getting open" and running backs and wrs do make a difference in a qbs performance. Why do you think Favre's stats went up in Minny compared to his time in NY. The fact remains that no qb in this leagues is very successful without strong skill players and a decent line. Can you say the skins have had these things the past few seasons?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

TO is a giant 8th grader and a locker room/sideline/off season-on season poison

All he would do is slow the development of DT, MK and Mitchell

Leave it up to Keenan and Moss to push the kids and let them fight it out among themselves.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Really brown....I mean, re-watch the New Orleans game, and tell me that DT can't play...sorry, but I'm not buying that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 11:46 AM


I'm not saying he can't play, just that we KNOW Marshall can ball out for 16 games. DT has yet to show up in two consecutive games, much less all 16.

I don't deny that it's a risky proposition...especially if one or both WRs ends up being a baller. But I don't have enough faith in Kelly's knee or Thomas's focus to think those two COMBINED will amount to what Marshall is all by himself.

I agree that being in a REAL offense with a REAL coach could make a difference. I just believe we have a better offense with Marshall/Moss/Marko/Cooley as our top targets vs. Moss/DT/MK/Cooley/Davis.

And TE depth doesn't concern me...Yoder hasn't been awful and we just picked up another TE in FA. Cooley has a good enough track record for staying healthy that I wouldn't really call that a concern.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

If Shanny believes that he could make Terrell Owens an asset to this Team on and off the field then I am all for it.

All for it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

total problem child this WR is certified nut! put aside his 23 catch game and his 120+ consecutive receptions under shanny then with Mcdaniels(obviously it's the system) this guy is a head case can't consider this guy, he'sjust to unstable. we need to keep all three unproven young Cerrato, 3rd yr wide outs and our two stud TE's. Unimaginable, absurd!

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

As much as it pains me to say this... TO would be a good fit for 1-2 years in this system. We need to free up Moss and let him run free. If we signed a TO or Marshall, that would give us a big, compliment. With them, Cooley and Moss, it will honestly give us a chance. I have never been a fan of the young WR.. they jsut dont look to be improving and taking advantage oftheir chances. Now, our offense has been a joke the last few years but it would make sense for either to be in here. TO for a season or 2 and Marshall long term.

Posted by: rvanags | March 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The biggest bogus argument of the off-season: If you give JC17 a better o-line, he'll become a better QB.

I suspect we've already seen the best days of JC17's playing career... and no amount of tinkering with the other positions will ever make JC17 any better at playing his own position. Fact is, good QBs know how to make the best of bad situations, while bad QBs make excuses. JC17 fits nicely into the latter category.

2. For much of his playing time in DC, JC17 has in fact been playing behind a pretty good line... which, up until an injury early in the 2009 season, included perennial Pro-Bowler Chris Samuels guarding his blind side. But despite this, JC17 was never able to live up to his own hype... and probably never will.

3. While JC17 continues to suggest that he would be a better QB if he had a better line, better runners, better receivers, better coaching, better plays, schemes etc., -- the weak link in all these arguments is the simple fact that JC17 is the one player in the middle of all of these plays. And his fundamental weakness and inability to execute his part of the plays is what continues to drag this offensive unit down into mediocrity and futility.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

But despite this, JC17 was never able to live up to his own hype... and probably never will.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM


I love crap like this..."live up to his own hype"? What hype? He was a projected 2nd rounder the Skins traded up to take in the BACK of the 1st round. I don't think anyone has ever portrayed him as anything more than a game manager with a nice arm.

But hey, don't let common sense get in your way...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

blahblahblah... soooooo, trade for a guy that shanny tried to trade twice out of denver... no thanks!!!! t.o. to the skins... no thank you!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 26, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Is Maese applying for the position of RI troll?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Because my point is simply that Jason Campbell does not have the kind of talent or stones to make the the same kinds of throws that Brees and Favre do.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse
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We aren't even a post removed from our best WR complaining that he couldn't get open, and not a week removed from the post where our new coach found comic relief in our offensive strategy, and not two weeks removed from Hanynesworth saying that JC admitted the coach who said he'd bench Sonny for changing a play call would dial up plays for short yardage during 3rd n longs.

So definitely saying JC doesnt have the talent or stones to open it up? That dog just isn't going to hunt. Not after playing under "Smashmouth Gibbs" and "3yard Zorn"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

3. While JC17 continues to suggest that he would be a better QB if he had a better line, better runners, better receivers, better coaching, better plays, schemes etc., -- the weak link in all these arguments is the simple fact that JC17 is the one player in the middle of all of these plays. And his fundamental weakness and inability to execute his part of the plays is what continues to drag this offensive unit down into mediocrity and futility.
Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Amen Vic1, Amen!

Posted by: wagman1 | March 26, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I suspect we've already seen the best days of JC17's playing career... and no amount of tinkering with the other positions will ever make JC17 any better at playing his own position...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that NFL QBs typically get better as they approach their 30s given a stable team. JC17 is on a typical trajectory, except he hasn't had a stable organization.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

NO.
HELL NO.
HELL TO THE NO.

Posted by: Tobor58 | March 26, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Whether you like JC or not, it is apparent he can make every throw at this level.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM
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So, throwing a hail Mary pass out of bounds is your idea of "can make every throw at this level"? I'm sorry, it is not apparent to me that he can make every throw. If by saying "make every throw" you are suggesting that he can at least point the ball in the right direction, then I agree with you; however I remember seeing how some of the passes just threaded the needle in the Superbowl and telling myself Campbell could never do that. Campbell has an accuracy problem. Bigger receivers will catch more of his off target passes than small receivers simply because of their ability to cover more area. Campbell will still throw the occasional wounded duck, goofy goose, or whistlin' warbler that make us all cringe.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 26, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

For some real perspective about the Redskins in particular Jason Campbell check out my web show on youtube, Downtime with R & B. Because when you have downtime there is nothing better to do then talk sports.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5gFXm1-dbc&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDZUz5X3kSk&feature=related

Posted by: DowntimewithRB | March 26, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that NFL QBs typically get better as they approach their 30s given a stable team. JC17 is on a typical trajectory, except he hasn't had a stable organization.
Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see. Now we,re gonna wait until he's in his 30's. Wow, just wow.

Posted by: wagman1 | March 26, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

3. While JC17 continues to suggest that he would be a better QB if he had a better line, better runners, better receivers, better coaching, better plays, schemes etc., -- the weak link in all these arguments is the simple fact that JC17 is the one player in the middle of all of these plays. And his fundamental weakness and inability to execute his part of the plays is what continues to drag this offensive unit down into mediocrity and futility.

Posted by: Vic1

I see. Sort of like you claiming the Captain is a bad pilot and the crash is his fault when the engines quit and the wings fall off his airplane when traffic control vectors him thru the center of a Tornado.

To paraphrase Lloyd Bridges. Don't give him a running attack, time to pass or a great playbook because that's just what he'll be expecting.

Posted by: TheCork | March 26, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

2. For much of his playing time in DC, JC17 has in fact been playing behind a pretty good line...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse
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2006: Healthy line
2007: Jansen goes down week 1, Randy Thomas starts 3 games, Replacement Todd Wade goes down to Heyer
2008: Chris Samuels misses 4 games late,
2009: Do we really have to revisit this mess?
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So, you would define a line which loses it's entire right side one season and it's most critical player, LT the next two seasons as 'pretty good?'

Interesting. No no really. I don't think JC has the stones or talent to toss an argument like that out there.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that NFL QBs typically get better as they approach their 30s given a stable team. JC17 is on a typical trajectory, except he hasn't had a stable organization.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:21 PM


I know we can't have a SB winning QB like the steelers under the age of 30 but my goodness you are very patient. I think JC17 is decent and I don't have any complaints about his talent except maybe his slow release, but his leadership is that of a field mouse and the poor guy has been put through to much from this organization. Let him start a new.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Ever since arriving in Washington Shanahan has been a surprise.

From switching from an effective 4-3 defense to a 3-4 and then having to swap out personnel to making no major moves as of yet for the OL in FA, etc.

Wide receiver? This has to be misdirection.

Yes, it would be nice to add Brandon Marshall but only AFTER we know we have a quarterback signed for the long-term here and OL that allows the QB to go downfield.

Also, I don't like the idea of trading draft picks yet again.

I thought we were through with that until the Redskins were in place to contend again and had built a solid core.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"JC17 is on a typical trajectory"

Posted by: Alan4

check the stats, sir. how is marked improvement every season NOT a "typical trajectory"???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It also doesnt help your argument when you make ridiculous statements like, "Its not about creating a window or getting open" and running backs and wrs do make a difference in a qbs performance. Why do you think Favre's stats went up in Minny compared to his time in NY. The fact remains that no qb in this leagues is very successful without strong skill players and a decent line. Can you say the skins have had these things the past few seasons?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse


It doesn't help your argument when you don't read all the threads.

We were talking specifically about how to break down a Cover 2 by getting to a soft spot in the coverage over top of the CB and in front of the safety.

Next time, try to suppress your motherly instinct to blindly jump to JC17's defense and read through all the relevant posts.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It became perfectly clear to our starting quarterback is fundamentally unsound while listening to JC17 on a local radio station yesterday afternoon talking about how he's working with the new coaching staff to learn the fundamentals and footwork of a three-step drop. Pardon me, but with more than five years (and counting) of playing experience in the big leagues as a so called pro quarterback... isn't this a key, essential and fundamental skill that JC17 should have mastered already... perhaps as far back as his pee wee or junior varsity days?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

alan 4

sorry,itchy trigger finger not enough caffeine

strike that last remark

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have a problem with T.O. IF you can get him on the cheap, relatively speaking. I never thought I would say that, but the guy has matured just enough and had 55 last year on cra ppy Buffalooo

B marsh seems like he would be too expensive, but he is super talented for sure

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

So definitely saying JC doesnt have the talent or stones to open it up? That dog just isn't going to hunt. Not after playing under "Smashmouth Gibbs" and "3yard Zorn"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse


What do you say to this stuff?

Seriously, I give up.

You win Matt.

JC17 is equal to Drew Bress and Brett Favre. They are all bascially interchangeable QBs. If the Saints had JC17 he would have won the Superbowl and been MVP this past year. No doubt.

If the Vikes had JC17, he would have carried them to the NFC Championship game.

The only difference is that JC17 has not had the right coaches, organization, offensive scheme, Oline, and running backs in place.

If only people could see that the problem is with everything else except JC17, then they'd know that JC17 has as much talent and fearlessness as any QB that's played the game.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

(2) The Redskins were interested enough in upgrading the wide receiver position to bring in free agent Antonio Bryant for a visit. He signed elsewhere, and the Redskins likely would consider others.

????? I seem to recall J Reid bursted this story falsely and then retracted it, you could say "he lost his burst" on the story

EVERYONE likes the way the Texans use AJ!

They say we're going to get more turnovers every year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It became perfectly clear to our starting quarterback is fundamentally unsound while listening to JC17...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse
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You know, I was thinking the same thing when Orakpo said they were just coaching the defense the basics so far. I mean, Jesus Mohammed LaCanfora Lebowski, shouldn't our D be past fundamentals?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1

that's what every coach and QB are working on this time of year, no? fundamentals

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Again...

No to TO. He's still looking for 5 mil per year. His skill set has eroded but his ego is still intact.

No to Marshall. We don't have the resources to afford such a trade. I wouldn't trade pick #37 and they would want more than CC or FD.

This is merely conjecture by Mease and has ZERO merit.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

What do you say to this stuff?

Seriously, I give up.

You win Matt.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse
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No, I don't win. It was your premise that was untenable, not some argument. You made a statement, and I went after it.

I never said JC DOES have the stones of Farve or Brees, and I would be ludicrous to say so.

Why? Because you would be able to destroy that statement as baseless... just as baseless as saying JC can't play up to the level/mimic the style of Brees.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

should they be gameplanning right now??? watch Bull Durham or something, there are only 5 things that athletes say in interviews AND pros don't stop working on fundamentals, especially pre training camp

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as funny that “all of the JC17 apologists” get lumped together like they are all of the exact opinion and that the “haters” seem to think that all of the “apologists” think that JC17 is an elite QB who deserves to be considered with the likes of Brees/Manning/Brady. Read through all of the posts….nobody is saying that the guy is elite or great (except for that one guy yesterday). Just that replacing him is not the highest priority.

Can I just say one thing without getting jumped all over? I consider myself in with the folks who would like to see what JC17 can do on the 2010 Redskins if he wins the job in training camp, based upon the following summation:
- Rest of team should be better
- He has gotten better each year despite the woeful team and coaching around him
- And most of all replacing him NOW is not the highest priority (OL, OL, OL)
- Let’s see what he can do with more than 2.8 seconds to get rid of the ball.

Please take special note of the above pieces: “If he wins the job in training camp”……and ”replacing him NOW is not the highest priority”.

I don’t think he can make Drew Brees/Peyton Manning type throws anywhere near consistently, but he hasn’t really been given the chance to show that he can up til now. If he shows that he still can’t with an upgrade all around him, he should be considered to be let go. I am willing to bet that that sums up what MOST of the apologists think.

I just want to give him one more year unless they can get Sam Bradford with the 4th pick…..otherwise build the line now and get a QB next year. If that makes me an apologist, so be it.

Seems like most of the haters don’t even want to hear any of the above, no matter what. They just “know” he will NEVER be any good and needs to be gotten rid of asap. Now, I know you aren’t all Vic1’s out there, so I am not lumping you in with his extreme-ism, but it just seems like giving the guy one more shot at it makes sense, until it becomes obvious that QB is our most glaring need, IMO.

Anyway, have at me.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

T.O. on a 1 year deal in a uncapped year I would accept, I'm NOT a T.O. fan but the fact is he had 55 recepts last year, none of our guys did that

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I know we can't have a SB winning QB like the steelers under the age of 30 but my goodness you are very patient.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 12:31 PM

The Steelers won the SB in spite of Ben R his rookie year, not because of him. Any game managing QB would have had success on that team. Ben R has gotten better each year, as I would expect for a decent QB in very stable oragnization.

If the team is good enough, it will win games despite mediocre QB play (see Sanchez, Mark) while a QB develops.

Drew Brees was not lighting it up his first few years in the league, either... but his team was decent while he developed.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: DowntimewithRB | March 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey man, 1 woman beater per team, ok? We don't want to corner the market in em.

We already got our 1 Diva quota met with Portis. Hope they keep a boatload of Snickers on the sidelines for him...

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"he screams slot receiver, not No 1."Posted by: rreader

You know a lot of schemes put the No 1 receiver in the slot a chunk of the time, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1

that's what every coach and QB are working on this time of year, no? fundamentals

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:44 PM |

I listened to the JC interview on 106.7 the FAN yesterday, and some of the things he has to un-learn from JZ's coaching is staying low in the pocket. Kyle wants him to stabd tall when he drops back. Another thing he's working on is the footwork Shanny Jr wants on certain types of passes that are staple in the offense. One thing JC said that made feel good is that the entire offensive players are attending the offseason workout @ Redsskins Park.

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, have at me.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010 12:50 PM
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I agree with the entire comment.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 26, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's trade for Andre Johnson, then..He and Moss is mates from Da U., why nut??

A big man inside game shreds Coach K's Dukies, Maryland understands this, and Purdue has a big inside game...Go Boilermakers!!! (I make mine with...BUDWEISER!!)

Posted by: frak | March 26, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Definitely NO TO on the Redskins!!!! I am hoping no team signs him and he is gone from the NFL.

Posted by: ladyredskins | March 26, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010 12:50 PM

You lost the haters @ " I consider myself in with the folks who would like to see what JC17 can do on the 2010 Redskins"

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

supporting dlhaze here, why would I apologize for Campbell, I'm sorry that he is one of the best players on our recently horrible team.

I've never said the guy is elite either. He was ranked 15th, Warner retires making him 14th, if Favre retires 13th, you can see where this is going, there IS potential.

only as strong as the weakest link, that was the O line and turnover ratio, I know stats aren't everything but Dilfer won a super bowl and frerotte went to a pro bowl, neither guy has ever been 'elite'

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Not sure the locker room can handle Portis, Larry Johnson and T.O./Marshall.That would be catastrophic.

Its time to prepare for years of rebuilding. Once the fans can come to terms with this, we'll all be in a better place. Trade the #1 pick this year and draft all linemen. We'll have another top pick next year. This team isn't a WR away from contending.

Posted by: Rex91 | March 26, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

It became perfectly clear to our starting quarterback is fundamentally unsound while listening to JC17 on a local radio station yesterday afternoon talking about how he's working with the new coaching staff to learn the fundamentals and footwork of a three-step drop. Pardon me, but with more than five years (and counting) of playing experience in the big leagues as a so called pro quarterback... isn't this a key, essential and fundamental skill that JC17 should have mastered already... perhaps as far back as his pee wee or junior varsity days?

Posted by: Vic1

The flaw in your logic is that ALbert Pujols has a hitting instructor, Tiger Woods has a swing coach (and a swinging coach, too evidently), and Roger Federer has someone to work on his strokes. Even the greats have to constantly work on fundamentals.

I'm NOT saying Campbell is the answer, any more than I'd defend Ramsey after the years of abuse he took, also. But the truth is, you CANNOT evaluate a QB who played for the Redskins over the past few years.

Posted by: TheCork | March 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Marshall is a scary talent. In some ways he's more dangerous than Andre Johnson or Larry Fitz. I'm sure the Jints or Iggles defensive backs would rather he stayed far, far away.

Having Marshall on one side would make Moss and Devin Thomas that much more effective. Less impact on a slower receiver like Kelly.

As far as the continuing teeth-gnashing over Jason Campbell goes, he is what he is, and I'd be surprised if he's ever a whole lot more. That said, he's plenty good enough to lead a decent offense deep into the playoffs. If Kerry Collins and Jake Delhomme can do it, so can Jason.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 26, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

not supporting haze on the whole unless we get Bradford, even if we get bradfors campbell will beat him out in camp, or start after his shoulder gets hurt....again, just like Culpepper did when stafford's shoulder got hurt

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | March 26, 2010 1:01 PM

Agreed. He's a weapon we don't currently have that would be a huge benefit to the Offense. Nobody doubts his value.

Question: Considering his tender is a 1st, what would you trade for Marshall? .

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It became perfectly clear to our starting quarterback is fundamentally unsound while listening to JC17 on a local radio station yesterday afternoon talking about how he's working with the new coaching staff to learn the fundamentals and footwork of a three-step drop. Pardon me, but with more than five years (and counting) of playing experience in the big leagues as a so called pro quarterback... isn't this a key, essential and fundamental skill that JC17 should have mastered already... perhaps as far back as his pee wee or junior varsity days?

Posted by: Vic1

The flaw in your logic is that ALbert Pujols has a hitting instructor, Tiger Woods has a swing coach (and a swinging coach, too evidently), and Roger Federer has someone to work on his strokes. Even the greats have to constantly work on fundamentals.

I'm NOT saying Campbell is the answer, any more than I'd defend Ramsey after the years of abuse he took, also. But the truth is, you CANNOT evaluate a QB who played for the Redskins over the past few years.

Posted by: TheCork

and that is why people get labled, "haters", because they dog players without proper back up

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze is on point.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

With Campbells confidence already taking a hit, would it really be smart to bring in a TO or BM? Imagine the first time TO is open and Campbell checks down to Portis..

"Im just doing what the coachs told me.. just going with the game plan"

LRC!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I love all these knee jerk reactions to crap that's being thrown on the wall to see if it sticks. No way the Skins would even be able to get Marshall, let alone want him for what would be required. They don't have enough picks to even think about trading for him, let alone any players they could trade for equal value. And yeah, Shanny wanted Owens FOUR YEARS ago..please..he's not giving anyone any info on anything he's doing, let alone trying to go after TO. This sounds like some crap 4th Floor would come up with.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010
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This has been rehashed so much, but... The real issue re.: Campbell is what are our alternatives? We got Grossman, and Shanahan has said there will be competition, so the anti-Campbell crowd (I won't call you haters) should be happy, right? I write that with a wink and nod. The fact is Brees isn't available. Rodgers isn't available. Etc. The real question is do you think anyone we could draft or sign this year is a long term answer. My feeling is, most likely not. If the answer is no, why not stick with Campbell rather than bringing in another short-term solution? Does that put me in Campbell's jock?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone should be labeled a hater or even a lover by just having an opionion on you team. However, we all know that Jason Campbell is not what a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or even a Tony Romo is. That is a Franchise QB. Year in and Year out we walk into our division with the worst qb in our division. It's no wonder why we finish last mostly every year. The years that we had compentent and consistent qb play we have had sucess in our division. Now why is it that we as redskins fans devalue what is the most valuable position in team sports? I have the answer to that but then I will be ruining my next week show and topic on Downtime with R & B. click the link below to check me out.


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Posted by: DowntimewithRB | March 26, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor would never advocate going for Brandon Marshall.

TO for $5Mil/yr wouldn't be bad.

4thFloor would advocate:

Spiller @#4
McNAbb for a 3rd or 4th
JC traded for a 4th or 5th
CR22 traded for a 2nd
Cooley traded for a 2nd
Carter for a 2nd or 3rd
Sign TO for a 1 yr deal no more than $5Mil

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

and I don't think people should dog players without proper back-up, or be labled 'apologists' because they are supportive and positive

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor would advocate:

Spiller @#4
McNAbb for a 3rd or 4th
JC traded for a 4th or 5th
CR22 traded for a 2nd
Cooley traded for a 2nd
Carter for a 2nd or 3rd
Sign TO for a 1 yr deal no more than $5Mil

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:19 PM
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Sure, I'd advocate all those, too, except for the first one and the last one. (If you got your whole list, you'd really want McNabb and TO together on the Redskins???) Unfortunately, my advocacy doesn't make impossible sh!t happen.

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Good call, glawrence007:

"Focus on the problems at hand SHANNY, don't create more of them."

First Little Danny signed SlimeTime Sanders, and then he added LJ the Diva to share the backfield with Portis ... now they're considering T.O.? I guess Marshall would be OK, if the cost is LOW, so when he starts acting like an idiot — and we all know he will — he can be cut with little in the way of financial ramifications.

But adding a 36-year-old spotlight hog with rapidly declining skills and the ability to shred a locker room is idiotic. T.O. was fairly anonymous in Buffalo, because nobody pays attention to the Bills. BUT THERE'S A REASON NOBODY HAS OFFERED HIM A CONTRACT — dude is done. Do not spend a dime on this ingrate.

If Kyle Shanahan is charged with sharpening up the passing game, it seems to me that adding the annual league leader in dropped passes — and fed-up teammates — is not the way to go.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 26, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Spiller @#4
McNAbb for a 3rd or 4th
JC traded for a 4th or 5th
CR22 traded for a 2nd
Cooley traded for a 2nd
Carter for a 2nd or 3rd
Sign TO for a 1 yr deal no more than $5Mil

This is your brain on drugs.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think we all can agree that JC is a middle of the road QB. I also think we all can also agree that we are not going to be very good next year. To the JC apologists, if we fix everything, give him a line, give him weapons, give him a running game, can he lead us to win it all? What has he done that instills confidence or gives that feeling inside of you when he has the ball and were down that we are in good shape and we are going to win?

It seems pretty clear that he is not the future so why not start developing someone new to grow with the new additions we are making?

Apologists, say you are in a relationship and your girl looks decent, is decent in the sack, gets on your nerves a decent amount, and does not win over your family/friends entirely. Are you going to take the next steps with her(whatever they may be) and start building something fully knowing she is average?

Posted by: whydoIcare | March 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It's not about "creating" a window, or "getting" open.

The window is there.

It is the "in-between" part of the zone right past the underneath coverage, but right in front of the safety over top.

It is a very small window, that is made even smaller assuming that the CB and safety are doing their jobs really well.

Small window that it is, it takes a tremendous amount of accuracy, arm-strength and timing to make the throw because it is easily picked off otherwise - which also makes it a ballsy throw to attempt.

Cue up the NFL Gamecenter Highlights of the Minny v. GB game (the one played in Minnesota). At about 1:20, you'll see precisely what I'm talking about.

Favre hits Bernard Berrian over top of the CB and right before the safety gets there.

Berrian's size has nothing to do with the throw. He doesn't even jump for it. He catches in clean and then gets clobbered by the safety, but holds on.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Watch Berrian right at 1:20. He creates the window by faking inside then turning out and blowing right by the CB. Berrian most certainly created that window. The CB looks lost and completely loses him for a second. He isn't handing him off to the safety. He was beat at the LOS. It was defintely an accurate throw but it was also a blown coverage. Had the corner not bit on the inside fake that window would have been a lot tighter. If Moss could get open like that then yeah, he'd be fine as a possession receiver but he can't. That's why we need a guy like Malcolm Kelly as our posession receiver. There are short guys that can get open like that but Moss isn't one of them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 26, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Spiller @#4
McNAbb for a 3rd or 4th
JC traded for a 4th or 5th
CR22 traded for a 2nd
Cooley traded for a 2nd
Carter for a 2nd or 3rd
Sign TO for a 1 yr deal no more than $5Mil

This is your brain on drugs.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Not just the recreational kind.. The Meth/Herion varity.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 26, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

It seems pretty clear that he is not the future so why not start developing someone new to grow with the new additions we are making?

Posted by: whydoIcare
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Two questions:
1. Who?
2. Do you "develop" a lamb by throwing it to the wolves?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Sign TO for a 1 yr deal no more than $5Mil

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

So you want to pair up TO and McNabb again.

Brave man. That wouldnt be a National distraction all year, would it?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Nearly every QB in the league has limitations. The talk about JC17 not being able to complete Brees/Favre type throws is redundant. 99% of QBs can't. Brees can't even make all the throws Favre can make. Neither can Warner. Even Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are limited in comparison to Favre.

In terms of overall 'talent' when it comes to pure throwing ability, there are two names that stand above the rest: Favre and Cutler. Both of these guys can make every throw in the book; whether it's a touch pass, a dart, a bomb, a checkdown, on the run to the left or right, across the body, you name it - these two have it, with the quick release to boot.

But for everyone else, there's limitations (albeit obviously less limitations for some rather than others).

Peyton Manning or Tom Brady will never be able to throw on the run the way Cutler or Favre do (or even Campbell, for that matter).

Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, or Philip Rivers will never be able to gun a pass into a tight window the way Cutler and Favre can.

Manning, Brady, Warner, and Rivers could never execute bootlegs the way Cutler and Favre can.

None of the above throw across their body as well as Favre or Cutler.

The key to all these players above reaching their maximum potential is the system designed around them. It doesn't matter that Brady and Manning don't throw on the run as well as Favre. They're not asked to. Their systems are designed for Manning and Brady to remain upright in the pocket, and when protection breaks down (like it did for the Colts and Patriots in their recent SB trips), they have problems.

It doesn't matter that Brees, Warner, and Rivers can't throw on a rope the way Cutler and Favre can. Their systems don't ask them to. Warner relies on precise timing and exceptional receivers to give him the separation necessary to make his throws. Sean Payton uses an incredible amount of deception and misdirection in order to isolate his big WRs, and Brees puts the ball where they can get it. Rivers probably has attempts most difficult downfield throws of the bunch, but his game is tied to the ground attack which draws the defense into the box.

It's all about creating a system which suits your players' strengths. We have a mobile, strong-armed QB that is accurate in the short and intermediate, and that can throw well on the run. My feeling is that Shanahan will be much more successful than Zorn in taking advantage of what Campbell does best.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

First Little Danny signed SlimeTime Sanders, and then he added LJ the Diva to share the backfield with Portis

Posted by: DC2Dallas
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Yeah, over that span the LJ signing is what got stuck in my craw...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 26, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Sure...Laugh now....But I am pretty sure atleast 2 of these things will happen.....

If Okung and Bradford go before our pick, then we're getting Spiller.

If we can sign dude who comes in next week, we can then trade CR22.

Carter is def on the trade block now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

4th, I've yet to hear you explain to me how spiller is gonna help this team? Can he play LT, or RT? Last time I checked the team needed OL....why in the name of Shar Pourdanish would they take a rb??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

If they get TO - I am boycotting this team this year. I will NEVER cheer for that guy. I hate his attitude and his morals. He is 10 times CP and 15 times Albert. The worst cancer one can have on a team. I dont care if he reformed. He's a loser - will always be one.

Brandon atleast offers us a future. TO is done after a year.

If your gonna grab one of these guys take BM.

Posted by: pstate11 | March 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Two questions:
1. Who?
2. Do you "develop" a lamb by throwing it to the wolves?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

1. George F'ing Washington, who do you think I am talking about
2. I never said anything about throwing a lamb to wolves. You can start developing by having them watch, learn the game, learn the playbook, learn from a super bowl winning coach.

I just think when you start building something its probably best to have the most important piece in place at the beginning.

Posted by: whydoIcare | March 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

total problem child this WR is certified nut! put aside his 23 catch game and his 120+ consecutive receptions under shanny then with Mcdaniels(obviously it's the system)

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, I'm pretty sure that McDaniel's system was the one that he used as an O-coordinator in New England, which was quite different from the system Shanny used in Denver. Which suggests that it was Marshall's abilities, not the system, that mattered most. There are arguments against the 'Skins acquiring Marshall that make sense, but his production being just a product of the system he was in isn't one of them.
the system he was in isn't

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

who will have a better career as an nfl starter? B Marshall or J Campbell. now be honest.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz, what the hell are you doing up here? It's about a quarter until 2 PM. Shouldn't you be at your Tebow alter reciting the infamous speech he gave after losing to Ole Miss? I think Tebowist have to recite that prayer every two hours on the even hour, or Tebow "lore" will die on draft day.

What is it again? Gospel of Tebow or Book of Tebow?

Don't forget after your speech you have to also go and sacrifice an agnostic for the greater good.

And as always we leave you in the manner in which we greet you: Join or DIE.

Blessid be the name.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Sure...Laugh now....But I am pretty sure atleast 2 of these things will happen.....

If Okung and Bradford go before our pick, then we're getting Spiller.

If we can sign dude who comes in next week, we can then trade CR22.

Carter is def on the trade block now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse
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-maybe if we trade down (though even then, i doubt it), but 4 is too high for Spiller

-who's giving us the 2 for Rogers?

-ditto (2 or 3) for Carter?

-if it was any other team than the Skins, i would hope they pick up both TO and McNabb. That would be great entertainment. They would have to get Garcia as a backup, though.

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It's about time we finally go after T.O.!!

Posted by: psock1 | March 26, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze must have a laser sight, cause that was a bullseye.

whydoIcare, that's a good analogy but the 'grass is greener' approach never works on for the Skins. The Skins usually dump the average chick, through a 20 carat ring on a ex-supermodel that doesn't want kids, spends all the money, doesn't cook or clean and leaves them for the gardener.

Posted by: priceisright | March 26, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe we are even considering this. There was nothing wrong with the receivers we had. OK, Randle El should NEVER be allowed to attempt a kick/punt return again EVER. But the real problem with the passing game was getting a pass to go past the line of scrimage!!! It doesn't matter who is catching if you throw for negative yardage. Those plays made me crazy. I have been a Skins fan for 30 years, and I am getting really sick of watching us make stupid personnel moves. Pick up another tight end, why? Cooley is one of the best in the league & a fan favorite. Note to Snyder....if you lose your fans you don't make as much $, end of story. Davis played great when Cooley got hurt. That gives us two solid tight ends. We need to spend the $ on the places we really need help. Fix the OL & get a decent QB! Then the entire offense can look good! I understood giving JC a chance to develop, but how long are we supposed to wait?? He may have the arm, but mentally he isn't up to it. He can't go through his reads or make decisions quickly enough. He seems scared out there, so he drops back 5 yards too far right into a waiting DLman. Or he freezes, and lets the pocket collapse on him. If I did my job as poorly as he does his, I'd have been fired years ago.
I repeat GET A QB & FIX THE OL. The rest of the guys can hold their own until we can fine tune things more next year.
And stop spending waaay too much $ for some star from another team. Few of them end up being worth the $ for us. Maybe we could stop losing some of OUR talent to free agency if we still had the $ to pay them. And above all STOP buying ex-cowgirls. I would swear that at least a few of those guys took an under the table bonus from someone in TX to come here & play horribly. Tell me you don't remember Deion!!!!

Posted by: 28darrell | March 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

You guys sure do make for some entertaining reading. Keep up the good work. I don't want T.O.,if he pays US $5 mil. I think Marko Mitchell is going to break out this year, granted someone gets the ball to him. Whoever that may end up being.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Two questions:
1. Who?
2. Do you "develop" a lamb by throwing it to the wolves?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

1. George F'ing Washington, who do you think I am talking about
2. I never said anything about throwing a lamb to wolves. You can start developing by having them watch, learn the game, learn the playbook, learn from a super bowl winning coach.

I just think when you start building something its probably best to have the most important piece in place at the beginning.

Posted by: whydoIcare | March 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse
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1. I have no idea who you're talking about. Clausen? Who are we getting to start developing by replacing Campbell? That was the point of your post, right? I don't think George Washington is available.

2. It seems like you are advocating getting rid of JC and installing someone (I don't know who, see #1) to develop--i thought you meant by playing them from the get go. If you're developing them by having them watch & learn, who's playing QB for the Redskins this year?

Posted by: closer44 | March 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we still get Jeff George at QB and Deion Sanders at corner?

Wow - what star power!

c'mon, get real

Posted by: whelms1 | March 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

No one is saying that whatever QB we pick up will be able to come out of the gate thowing in the first game. And whoever we put out there will fail without an OL. But it would be nice to have something to look fwd to for a change!!!

Posted by: 28darrell | March 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

Reality check, JC has a better job and life than your bum arse. Even if he isn't drew brees. He plays in the NFL, you blog about him on your computer. Think about it.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Sure...Laugh now....But I am pretty sure atleast 2 of these things will happen.....

If Okung and Bradford go before our pick, then we're getting Spiller.

If we can sign dude who comes in next week, we can then trade CR22.

Carter is def on the trade block now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If Bradford and Okung are both gone when we pick at 4, I believe that we'll draft whichever of the top DTs is left and scrap the 3-4 hybrid plan. We would then address LT in the second round or by trading up into the second half of the first round. The 'Skins will not draft Spiller at 4 overall because (1) the team addressed the RB position in free agancy with LJ and will not use their most valuable asset to address it again, and (2) Shanny has repeatedly found extremely productive RBs in the second and later rounds, never drafted a first round RB in Denver, and won't see the need to use such a high draft choice on the position.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 26, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Brandon would be good here but i dont think they should give up their draft picks this year because they need a line right now more than a reciever. I think the skilled position players will hold up for another year better than the line so even though BM would be a great addition no matter who ends up QB for the skins we have to take care of that line or it does not matter who is throwing or catching it wont work.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think George Washington can throw a deep ball just as good.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think George Washington can throw a deep ball just as good.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I am not one to trash or defend JC at this point. But with no line I cant think of a QB in the league that can win. Fix the line, then worry about who throws and catches the ball. I can deal with the QB's we have one more year if it means building our line for the next 5 years. Maybe if you build a line the people we have now can be productive. But with the line you have, Brady,Brees,Manning, or Ben would not have a winning season here.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Priceisright....that's some funny #%& right there!

Posted by: westjr88 | March 26, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What I find amazing is how good JR is at making a story out of nothing. He either makes two stories out of one by posting what he knows is going to break into news the day before as speculative then rewrite the same article the day it gets announced or he makes up his own speculations, ask a couple of questions then implies that the people he questions are feeding him the information as his rational for making his speculations newsworthy. There is nothing about this article that suggest that the skins are interested in either players except that he mentioned it and ask Shannahan the questions and the coach chose not to give specific answers either way. He could have asked the coach would he be interested in Brett Farve if he were available and just because the coach did not say no JR would make it into a "Could Farve be a Redskin?" story based on that.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Have ya'll seen C.J. Spiller play?


Dude is a BEAST!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I might offer up Davis and one (or both) of the 2nd round WRs from '08

That's giving up the farm! NO WAY!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

If they sign TO I will burn all of my Redskins gear. Possibly while wearing it.

Posted by: MrDumberton | March 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

anyone but Owens. We don't need that kind of personality on the team

Posted by: mocoresider09 | March 26, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If you're trying to change the culture of the team, I'm not sure that you start w/ guys like Larry Johnson, Terrell Owens and Branden Marshall. How about Adam "Pacman" Jones as well, he might be available? TO has practically been the definition of a locker room cancer since he entered the league. He can stink up the clubhouse worse than Albert Haynesworth after a chili cookoff....

Posted by: randysbailin | March 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins already have Portis, Haynesworth, and Rogers as malcontents, or problem children. If Owens is not productive, he will blame the line and the QB, and start another set of issues. Is it not smarter to just draft, build, and buy a group of players who have character and want to do their best on every play? The locker room drama could be a nightmare, and with the money invested, how do you move them without hamstringing your clubs future. If you do decide to sign them, find a way to void their contract, in writing, prior to giving them all the money. Make it a roster bonus in week 16, if that is legal.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | March 26, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"I'm NOT saying Campbell is the answer, any more than I'd defend Ramsey after the years of abuse he took, also. But the truth is, you CANNOT evaluate a QB who played for the Redskins over the past few years.

Posted by: TheCork | March 26, 2010 1:00 PM"


Cork, I'll respectfully disagree.

Every QB gets hit,

Every QB has WRs drop a ball sometimes,

The things that have had me questioning Jason's ability to be even a solid game manager are:

He misses WRs who have NO DEFENDER within 5 or more yards far too frequently.

He fumbles too much even when he's not harrassed.

He keeps trying to MAKE things happen on offense instead of picking at a defense, and letting the defense make a mistake trying to compensate for what he takes from them.

He doesn't talk to his WRs enough (if at all) when they improperly (when the defense DOESN'T cause it) shorten a route [yes , I CAN say this...because you have to be over WITH your WRs to be able to talk with them...unless JC is telepathic] or drop a ball.

No, he doesn't have to yell or dress them down, but for pete's sake, man...talk them through it...build a repore with your WRs. It will help you learn their tendancies and connect better later.

These are all things ANY QB in year 5+ who has seen as many reps as JC does in live fire games that matter should be doing MUCH better in regards to, and JC isn't.

I can't believe EVERY coach and assistant has been the problem or reason he's not developing.

and to PA SF 17, yes a tall WR can DEFINITELY HELP make an average QB better... but it isn't automatic. You still need confidence and [CLUTCH] accuracy [not BS % statistics].

JC hasn't shown those things so much thus far. That's why so many folks doubt and question his abilities.

If he was such an obvious slam dunk solid QB prospect, why did NO ONE make an offer of ANY kind on him last off-season or this one?

I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The TOer? Is that the Marshall who kicked out the ball out of the practice field??? finest bunch of players ever....

Posted by: Rockvillers | March 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The only wide receiver threat we've had over the middle the past fifteen years is the threat Michael Westbrook backed up when he pounded down Stephen Davis.

Posted by: minorthread | March 26, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It is stupidity to say brees and favre have more talent than campbell who is bigger stronger faster with a more stronger arm than the above mentioned..too bad bigots,and racist that is just a fact and for the morons who are still lying to themselves despite several different play's last season on after the catch runs by m. kelly the man has good speed for a person his size you don't have to be the fastest player to be successful, jerry rice certainly was NOT the fastest wr. in the league at anytime not even close. another thing on campbell I am thrilled to read what myself and a few others have noticed about campbell and the ridiculous changes made by zorn the pornographic pencil neck geek so-called head coach, he had campbell bending in the pocket instead of standing tall at his real height trying to imitate him a weak armed white punk and mediocre qb campbell trying to accomodate this idiot/bigot went along with the program to his own demise instead of being himself.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

NO ON T.O.!!!

Posted by: DCFanatic | March 26, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

...no more excusses for jason. if it was up to me he been would have been out of here.

Posted by: dakel76 | March 26, 2010 10:53 AM

...Then it's a very good thing to know that it's NOT up to you.

Posted by: MrRon | March 26, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: opinionatedinfairfax | March 26, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh - my - God and the hits just keep on comin'!!! Go Little Danny go!!! TO, Late Johnson and Fat Albert. It'll be Deadskins heaven. Big blondie will be making you feel like a big man Danny Boy after this move!!! Go get him tiger!!! Keep working on that first Draft pick for 2011!!! WWWHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Posted by: billm32 | March 26, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

One old malcontent (36) and one young malcontent (26), but both still major malcontents. These guys are locker room cancers that we should try to avoid unless we can get them REAL CHEAP, as in REAL CHEAP.

Please say NO to TO. The only way we should consider him is if we could get him for the veteran minimum.

Brandon Marshall is worth a 6th or 7th round draft pick in a trade with Denver - preferably in the 2011 draft, not in the 2010 draft.

However, these guys should be avoided if at all possible. They could wreak complete havoc in the locker room and destroy all team chemistry. I don't even want to think of the irreparable damage they could cause to the work habits and attitudes of our young receivers - Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell.

Posted by: SkinsKen | March 26, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Please sign TO...I am looking forward to the 'Skins providing some great comic relief this year, TO would be icing on the cake :-)

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 26, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

first of all, give me a break on T.O & brandon marshall. we all know our OL need a complete make over. let's go back to the good old days when we used to have the hogs. our QB needs protections. i believe jc should be fine & rex grossman is a piece of trash. he's the worst QB ever played the game of football. Devin thomas & malcolm kelly is stepping up next season, let's develop those two future all-star wide receivers. im sure they will soon to make an impact like anquan boldin & larry fitzgerald. trust me on this one.

Posted by: g4fly4ever | March 27, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

obviously we need an OL but we also need a veteran wr who is over 5"11 and that can make big plays like Moss . Thomas is nice but im not sold on Kelly who has a injure that can comeback and effect him being on the field . Marshall is a play maker the issue is the 1st round pick but to bring up his locker room issue dont because every player in the nfl has trouble with management or coaches at some point some broider then others. But Marshall to go along with moss as a deep threat can help Campbell big time .

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

will see how kelly, thomas and mitchell turnout but im still not sure based on inconsistency, havign a hard time getting open and the major factor that they where drafted by Vinny Cerrato and SNyder

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 27, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Definitely NO to Owens!!! The guy is a cancer and that was before he was on the downside of his career.. Can't believe Shanahan would be that stupid to sign him. Shanahan should focus on getting a franchise QB. Campbell is not the answer and it look like the Rams will draft Bradford. So Shanahan has to decide if Colt Brennan can be his franchise QB.. if he doesn't believe he can he needs to draft him.. that seems to suggest Clausen.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 29, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It seems like you are advocating getting rid of JC and installing someone (I don't know who, see #1) to develop--i thought you meant by playing them from the get go. If you're developing them by having them watch & learn, who's playing QB for the Redskins this year?
Posted by: closer44
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Trade Campbell.. (assuming someone will want him) and use that pick to help improve the OL. With Campbell gone you have choices on who to start this year. One Grossman, he was a starter and knows the system from being under Kyle last year. He is only short term answer but good enough to fill in at first. Second Colt Brennan. IF has great camp.. give him a shot. Wouldn't be the first time a late round pick stepped up when given a chance. But if both struggle.. be quick to put in the QB Shanahan thinks will be his franchise QB. Falcons, Ravens, Lions, Jets, Bucs.. all of those teams started their first round pick sooner than they expected. Most of the time it worked out pretty well.. So if after 6 to 8 games put Clausen in (if that is Shanahan's pick). He comes from a pro system.. no reason to think he can't go this year if needed.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 29, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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