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With new coach, system, an upgrade at wide receiver seems smart

When you looked over the Redskins' roster heading into free agency and made a list of the team's biggest needs, you might not have paid much attention to the wide receiver spot. After all, Santana Moss is only 30, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly showed signs of life last season and there's still Marko Mitchell, buried on the depth chart as the great unknown.

But with word that Antonio Bryant will be visiting Redskins Park (assuming he leaves Cincinnati today without a contract), it seems the Redskins coaches feel as if they can afford an upgrade at the receiver position.

On the surface, it might appear that the team should have other priorities. But if the coaches want to install a new offense, you've got to have the pieces that fit. We witnessed what happened when Jim Zorn tried run a new offense with inheritied parts. Square peg, meet round hole.

Talking the day before free agency began, ESPN analyst Mark Schlereth instantly thought that wide receiver might be an area the Redskins tried to address this offseason.

"I really believe that they've got to have a difference-maker at the receiver position. Santana Moss has been great, but you've got to have somebody who comes to the forefront in Mike's offense, and I don't know if that guy's on the roster," Schlereth said. "I know they got those guys in the second round - Fred Davis finally made some plays,
Malcolm Kelly, Thomas is coming on -- but you still need a guy who you know fits what they want to do."

Schlereth played for Mike Shanahan from 1995-2000. He pointed out that when Shanahan arrived in Denver in 1995, he inherited a pair of pretty good veteran receivers in Anthony Miller and Mike Pritchard.

Despite their track record, both were quickly phased out because Shanahan had Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey, who fit his offense better.

"So it will be interesting see what Bruce [Allen] and Mike think they have at the wide receiver position," Schlereth said. "To me, that's something that has to be addressed."

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By Rick Maese  |  March 9, 2010; 12:40 PM ET
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Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 9, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

bryant is a headcase and doesn't play special teams... why not go after 1 of these guys:

Domenik Hixon, WR, Giants.
Josh Reed, WR, Bills.
Davone Bess (ERFA), WR/PR, Dolphins.

or if we want to add another headcase just sign to or plax...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Any coach who has Terrell Owens on the roster. Any coach who had Keyshawn Johnson on the roster, which includes Parcells and Gruden.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 12:57 PM |

T.O. was not a problem last year.

Keyshawn wasn't a big enough problem for PArcells to sign him to the Cowboys after drafting him #1 overall with the jets.

A BRyant has shown no consistency so ever.

I would rather have T.O. right now since he has the experince in playing in the WCO system.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe said:
"Name the strong-willed head coach who had any kind of problem with a player".

Any coach who has Terrell Owens on the roster. Any coach who had Keyshawn Johnson on the roster, which includes Parcells and Gruden.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 12:57 PM |

Hee, hee.

MistaMoe = MistaMoeRon

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

With the Bengals kicking the tires on Bryant and Terrell Owens both, the Washington Redskins have emerged as a team that may have interest in Bryant as Roy Cummings of the Tampa Tribune reports that a visit to Washington is in the works for the veteran.

Bryant, who turns 29 today, is coming off a poor season in a poor offense with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He made only 39 receptions for 600 yards, but had arthroscopic knee surgery during training camp. Bryant complained about his knee throughout the season. He was playing under the franchise tag after a big 2008 when he had 83 receptions for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns.

The Redskins are hopeful that former second-round draft picks Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas blossom this season. They have not been able to find a consistent target across from Santana Moss and Bryant would be a proven entity even if he has only two 1,000-yard seasons in his career.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Really, Antonio Bryant? This guy is a bum. He had one good year. If we really wanted a good WR, we should have sent some picks to Arizona for Bolden. Personally, with Moss, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell, I think we have more than enough players to throw the ball to.

Posted by: BT23 | March 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

While I'm not a fan of Bryant if they can get a decent WR in free agency without breaking the bank it'll allow them to use draft choices elsewhere. I think they've got bigger needs at OL (obviously), RB, QB, NT, LB and DB

Posted by: skinswest | March 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"T.O. was not a problem last year."

T.O. is never a problem his 1st season with a team. It's the 2nd and 3rd seasons that get him in trouble. Just ask Philly and Dallas.

Posted by: ctrumpeter | March 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for creating competition at every position this team is not good enough to feel like they should be comfortable (everybody should feel like they can lose there starting spot) if the 2nd rounders are better or Santana is better then they are going to earn it!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | March 9, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

t.o. has more experience, he has been solid year in and year out AND last year he finally grew up! i say give him a try

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 9, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ouch ... from Peter King

Q: TAKE A RISK. From Philip of Chicago: "Half of the quarterbacks in the last two Super Bowls were free-agent signings. New Orleans is not anywhere close to a title without Drew Brees. Arizona would have been nowhere close without Kurt Warner. Free agency can make a huge impact in who wins titles and is not 'vastly overrated.' ''

A: For every Brees, there are 10 Javon Walkers. For every Warner (who could have been had three times in free agency in the last decade by any team in the league), there's a bunch of Adalius Thomases. Big-money free agency is a lottery. Look at it over the long term. Look at the Redskins.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

L. Coles is available! I kid...I kid...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Maese vs. Reid on ESPN's Beast Blog:

"Rick Maese, who does a really nice job for the Post, ... "

"Jason Reid of the Post ... "

Heh, heh.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Bryant isn't going to really be that big of a problem. The issue is his work ethic. He will not come in and work up to hte level this team needs to work at. Our biggest problem last year was effort and that is primarily Bryants problem, he lacks effort/heart.

We'll pay him, he'll become complacent and then it'll just go from there. What I don't get is that neither moss, kelly, thomas, cooley, or even davis are specific "west coast" wrs/tes. Moss has proven he is fine in a vertical offense as well as west coast, and Kelly, Thomas and Davis are young enough that they cannot be pigeonholed yet as specific system wrs. These players will fit whatever scheme Shanny wants to run and so I do not see a real point in brining in another WR, unless we are thinking about removing Moss.
(Which, as awesome as he has been for us, wouldn't be the worst idea i've ever heard)...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 9, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Bryant? How have we done with former Cowboys?

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 1:00 PM
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Calvin Hill!

When the sons of Eli break through the line,
That is the sign we hail,
Bull-dog! Bull-dog!
Bow, wow, wow, Eli Yale!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 9, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

t.o. has more experience, he has been solid year in and year out AND last year he finally grew up! i say give him a try

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 9, 2010 1:20 PM |

Hey it's easy to grow up when you are getting old and slow.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"...An upgrade at WR seems smart."

See also: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

Posted by: 4-12 | March 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love a guy who threw a sweaty t-shirt at Parcells' bloated face. Sign him up.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 9, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 9, 2010 1:10 PM

I hear what you're saying about Bryant. However, the offense Kyle runs needs a guy wh is a legit #1. Those guys you listed aren't #1s. DT isn't one yet, neither is Kelly nor moss. Bryant was a #1 before and has had some success. Is he going to be a guy that plays here for more than a couple of years..I doubt that. But in a year with much more pressing needs, Bryant can be a stopgap until the younins blossom. Let's face it, the last time DT and MK had to learn a new offense, it took them awhile to adjust. If he is signed, it'll take some pressure off the twins, if not DT of MK will need to improve quickly.

Posted by: TWISI | March 9, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Delhomme here than that idiot Rex Grossman.

Both MK and DT are, on paper anyway, prototype WCO receivers. Solving "problems" at WR especially with a knucklehead... well I'm aghast. Simply shocked.

Here's the sequence of your average NFL pass play.

1) center snaps ball
2) QB reads defense
3) QB throws ball
4) receiver catches ball

So, before improving the team at step 4 can help your offense, steps 2 & 3 must be successfully completed. I'm pretty sure that until the OL improves, the Redskins will continue to have trouble getting to step 3.

BTW, this is NOT AN INVITATION TO DEBATE STEP 2!!!

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

trade for Brandon Lloyd?

bring back Albert Connell?

see what Michael Westbrook has left?

Tydus Winans anyone?

Henry Ellard available?

Just a couple of choices we should look into....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps our young receivers will work BETTER in Shanny's system then they have the past two years and deliver the big dividends we've been looking for, rather than need to be phased out. Let's give them a chance.

It still makes sense to add on veteran guy to the mix - not sure Bryant is that guy...

Posted by: edvar | March 9, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

T.O. is never a problem his 1st season with a team. It's the 2nd and 3rd seasons that get him in trouble. Just ask Philly and Dallas.

Posted by: ctrumpeter | March 9, 2010 1:19 PM

HE wasn't a problem in the last year with the Cowboys either.

The Media loves to hate this guy and makes every comment that comes out his mouth 'News'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What about Kevin Walter?

He knows Shanys system and is still out there as far as I know. Seems like a better fit than Bryant imo

Posted by: DMoney28 | March 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Henry Ellard was the man! One of the best vet signings the modern skins evah had!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 9, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

L. Coles is available! I kid...I kid...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 9, 2010 1:23 PM |

Fun-ee. Wake me up when T. Cole is available.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

First off, both our receivers were sharing duties at flanker. How much oppurtunity were they going to get when the pocket breaks down in under 2 seconds? Of course that's assuming a pocket was ever formed. I think adding a few seconds of pass pro may fix the "bust" receivers. You'd be shocked to learn how much easier it is to get open after 3 seconds than it is in under 2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"With new coach, system, an upgrade at wide receiver seems smart"

Delete: wide receiver

Insert: every single position on the field

Ok, carry on.

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The Media loves to hate this guy and makes every comment that comes out his mouth 'News'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:31 PM

His QBs love to hate him, too. Not sure he'd be a good fit with Campbell, Grossman, or Clausen. Put him with Brett Favre -- they deserve each other.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Just a couple of choices we should look into....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:30 PM

I heard Irving Fryar is still available!

And Alvin HArper!

And Cliff Russell can finally run!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

An upgrade at WR, I agree. So when exactly are they going to free MARKO?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

some have floated Cutler's name and Brandon Marshall's name as ex Shanny employees coming to Skins... Ah..the Irony if it comes true....

Here are the results of Shanny's deal with the Skins in 2005, allowing the Skins to move up in the First and grab JC. The resulting player acquired by the Broncos is next to the Pick. Not to say Vinny would of picked any of these players but, it bodes well for Shanny's (or his GM's) Draft decision making...


****The Redskins' second first-round pick in 2005 (used for selecting Jason Campbell) was acquired from the Denver Broncos for Washington's third-round pick in 2005 (result: starting CB Karl Paymah), as well as their first pick in 2006 (result: Jay Cutler, pro-bowl 2008) and a fourth round pick in 2006 (result:
Brandon Marshall, two pro-Bowls 2008-09).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Walter was resigned by the Texans... otherwise I might have agreed with you.... Outside of the fact that he really is one of the slowest wrs in the league.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 9, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Did he show up in a scooter -- like Cork … ?

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 10:55 AM

Scooter my Asterisk.

My preferred mode of two-wheeled transportation is a
Ducati Desmosedici RR, which tops out at 199 MPH, though I’ve never had it over 180.

Come by my place in your Datsun sometime, and I’ll give you a ride.

(Gawd, I loves the Google.)

Posted by: TheCork | March 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Walter=still a texan

TO was a problem in dallas his last season...he wasnt that good!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Don't do it. He's a spy being sent here by JERRY JONES to feed info on the newskins back to DALLAS, the evil empire.

The ghost of GEORGE ALLEN

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Brooks and John Lynch scheduled to visit Ashburn on Wednesday... please don't start signing Buc players!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Just a couple of choices we should look into....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:30 PM

Let's not forget that Antonio Brown is currently hanging out in his MIA house and still standing by that same damn phone since he was released in 2005 waiting for another shot to blow kisses to the crowd.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't do it. He's a spy being sent here by JERRY JONES to feed info on the newskins back to DALLAS, the evil empire.

The ghost of GEORGE ALLEN

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 1:38 PM

Has anyone ever seen Periculum and glawrence007 posting at the same time up here?

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

cl, agreed on Ellard...he was very good, when many had written him off....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

LaVar was death in the open field. Could not beat an OT one-on-one. If you schemed the guy and got him a clean run at the QB, he'd knock them right out of the league.

Tell him to beat 1 guy, however, and he couldn't do it.

That was the real problem, not the free-lance thing.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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Right, which was why he failed in Grilliams' system, but excelled in previous ones. Grilliams had him playing with primary gap responsibilities. Previous systems had him in open space, while others ate up the blockers for him.

Utlimately, I think it was the presence of Sean Taylor that doomed Arrington. Lavar used to be the guy we freed up to make plays. When Taylor came on, it was clear he was the hellraiser. You can only have so many on the field at the same time. One had to sacrifice the glory, and Arrington was the one asked to do it. His ego wouldn't allow it.

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think adding a few seconds of pass pro may fix the "bust" receivers. You'd be shocked to learn how much easier it is to get open after 3 seconds than it is in under 2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 1:32 PM |

"a few seconds" is an eternity in the pass rush world. It will never happen, even if you could draft Kung, Dav, Camp and Will. However, getting a QB with an accurate arm who can spot open receivers could easily happen.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

No longer Fast Willie Parker as a possible "new" RB?

Antonio Bryant, the next new Redskin WR?

Can Mark Brunell be far behind?

OKAY, I get it, don 't break the bank on fading Superstars. Pass on Peppers, Dansby, even Thomas Jones.

It would make sense if they tried to acquire up-and-cpmer talent. BUT, as of now the only difference between now adn the Bad Old Cerrato Era is the Redskins are going after badly faded former non-Superstars instead of fading Superstars.

There may be a method in the madness, but what is it, eludes me.

Posted by: TheCork | March 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Brooks and John Lynch scheduled to visit Ashburn on Wednesday... please don't start signing Buc players!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 9, 2010 1:38 PM
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Both as coaches maybe.. I believe they are both retired.. 40 year old Strong Safety and a 37 year old LB?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Right, which was why he failed in Grilliams' system, but excelled in previous ones.

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 1:40 PM |

He didn't excell, it was his hype that excelled. If he had come into the league as a nobody from Podunk U he never would have made pro bowl or gotten any kind of recognition at all. He was a phony from the get-go.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

There may be a method in the madness, but what is it, eludes me.

Posted by: TheCork | March 9, 2010 1:42 PM

Obviously. Lemme 'splain it to you, Luch.

To be a UFA this year you either have to be cut by your previous team or have six years in the league. So you're not going to have a shot at "up-and-cpmer talent" in free agency this year. You'll get other teams' equivalent of Marcus Mason or ARE.

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
How many of the "badly faded former non-Superstars" that the Redskins have been "going after" have signed here?

Just because a guy visits, and JReid/Maske gets their panties in a bunch speculating, doesn't seem to mean that the Redskins are going to sign them. In fact, they really haven't signed anybody other than Hicks, and I don't recall any rumors about him.

BAMS is playing this close to the chest. It looks to me like they won't sign any big name FA until after the draft, and maybe not even then. They may be waiting until 2011.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"a few seconds" is an eternity in the pass rush world. It will never happen, even if you could draft Kung, Dav, Camp and Will. However, getting a QB with an accurate arm who can spot open receivers could easily happen.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

A few seconds isn't much when you are starting at zero. The QBs internal clock should be set to 2.7. We're already getting hit at 2.2. A few seconds is probably about 3 seconds. That how much a good line should be providing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Delhomme here than that idiot Rex Grossman.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:29 PM

Old interception machine vs. young interception machine

Posted by: skinswest | March 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to post it, because of LS, but PFT is reporting that we're bringing in both Lee Roy Selmon, and James Wilder........just sayin...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Both as coaches maybe.. I believe they are both retired.. 40 year old Strong Safety and a 37 year old LB?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

They are.. I was kidding, but when BA was in Tampa, he was known from brining in over the hill vets.. just sayin!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 9, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

antonio bryant seems to have lost a burst

marcus mason lost a burst

chad clifton lost a....burst

ARE lost a burst

grossman lost a burst

pennington seems to have lost a burst

willie parker is not showing the... I don't know... a burst

hey look at me I'm jason reid, and look at what I did

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 9, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

so the redskins don't break the bank in an uncapped year, they dump cerrato, they bring in some proved guys to be HC, and GM, and STILL corky ain't happy....smh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

we cut our 2nd best WR and that leaves a slot to fill on the roster, der

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 9, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Signing players like FWP and AB aren't going to fix any of our problems.

One is a washed up RB who has clearly lost a step. While the other is a diva who isn't interested in working to become a better player. First sign of things tanking, or him not getting what "he deserves" he'll tank it and begin to hurt the team... AB is a poor mans TO, both in talent and in attitude but still this team cannot afford another me first player.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Ervins

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid just head faked you

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 1:07 PM

Or RI's tech supp had a brain fart.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:10 PM

Getting awfully dusty up here.

And why havent' the Skins signed Ryan Lilja?

Jason Campbell will be throwing to Kevin Walter next year. Both will be Texans. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's trade MOss for a 4th, give bryant the keys for two years. Kelly or Devin should be able to take over at that point.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

we cut our 2nd best WR and that leaves a slot to fill on the roster, der

Posted by: pabrian2003

Huh? ARE was our 2nd best WR?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 9, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

****THINKING TO MYSELF DO I REALLY WANT TO JUMP IN THE LAvAR DEBATE****

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"He didn't excell, it was his hype that excelled. If he had come into the league as a nobody from Podunk U he never would have made pro bowl or gotten any kind of recognition at all. He was a phony from the get-go.

Posted by: FartezDudmore"

I'm not sure what games you were watching, but in a 2-year span before he hurt his knee in 2004, Arrington compiled 17 sacks and 10 forced fumbles, which is nearly unheard of from 4-3 LB. Brian Cushing led the league in sacks from the 4-3 LB position this season with 5. In 2002, he led the Redskins defense to 5th overall. He was far from a nobody. About as far as you can get, actually.

Posted by: psps23 | March 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

A few seconds isn't much when you are starting at zero. The QBs internal clock should be set to 2.7. We're already getting hit at 2.2. A few seconds is probably about 3 seconds. That how much a good line should be providing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM |

Dude - go back and read your post again. You weren't talking about "a few seconds" from a base of zero. You were talking about adding "a few seconds" on top of what you already had.

"I think adding a few seconds of pass pro ..."

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell will be throwing to Kevin Walter next year. Both will be Texans. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


So does that put Schuab on the skins next year?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Skins -- not even close comparing That Idiot Rex Grossman to Jake Delhomme.

For instance, That Idiot Rex Grossman has had 2 seasons out of 7 career where he's thrown more TD's than INT. And one of those seasons was 2006, where That Idiot Rex Grossman was also The Luckiest QB Alive. He had no idea who was going to catch some of those rainbows.

Delhomme had a horrible year last year, granted. But he ended up beating the sorry-a$$ Redskins. And his career prior wasn't too bad. A good guy for veteran backup.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever seen Periculum and glawrence007 posting at the same time up here?

Posted by: League-Source | March 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

To be compared to the great peri is a true compliment. Thank you L-S. Thank god no one confuses the two of us on the old blog.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

if the Redskins are really in the market for a head case but productive receiver, make a deal and trade next year's pick for Brandon Marshall, who's only 25 years old.

Bryant is 30 and has never put up the kind of numbers that Marshall has in 8 seasons in the NFL.

Meanwhile he has been bumped out of Dallas because of a fight with Parcells, Tampa, Cleveland, etc.

Bryant to me has much too much in common with Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 9, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Delhomme here than that idiot Rex Grossman.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:29 PM

Old interception machine vs. young interception machine

Posted by: skinswest | March 9, 2010 1:48 PM

The second one will be here to help install a(nother) new offense just like when The Todd came here with Saunders. They need "arms" in camp and if there's a brain that can keep things straight for the installation period, it helps.

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

FREE MARKO MITCHELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Just because a guy visits, and JReid/Maske gets their panties in a bunch speculating, doesn't seem to mean that the Redskins are going to sign them. In fact, they really haven't signed anybody other than Hicks, and I don't recall any rumors about him.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM |
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JR and/or his interns must be sitting in the parking lot of Redskins Park sending out dispatches on every limo that arrives..

anyone got a Bret Favre mask???...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

So does that put Schaub on the skins next year?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 9, 2010 1:57 PM

I have no information about that.

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Ouch ... from Peter King

Q: TAKE A RISK. From Philip of Chicago: "Half of the quarterbacks in the last two Super Bowls were free-agent signings. New Orleans is not anywhere close to a title without Drew Brees. Arizona would have been nowhere close without Kurt Warner. Free agency can make a huge impact in who wins titles and is not 'vastly overrated.' ''

A: For every Brees, there are 10 Javon Walkers. For every Warner (who could have been had three times in free agency in the last decade by any team in the league), there's a bunch of Adalius Thomases. Big-money free agency is a lottery. Look at it over the long term. Look at the Redskins.
Posted by: zcezcest1

The same risk is true for draft picks, and financially similar for the very high picks. For every Manning, there are a bunch of Leafs. The Skins have tried to fix their QB situation via both the draft and FA. They have failed at both. The reason you pay the premium for a FA is because you have the film and history of their NFL career that you can look at which in theory means you have better info on what that player can do in the NFL. You don't have to try to deduce if their college experience will translate to the pros or if they are a mixed up kid who will grow up vs a doofus for life or what kind of character they have or how high their upside potential really is. The Skins failings have a lot more to do with the talent evaluating ability of those in charge than with the means in which they acquire the talent.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 9, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Delhomme here than that idiot Rex Grossman.


This is the choice we're left with? Puke.

Posted by: edvar | March 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

And why havent' the Skins signed Ryan Lilja?

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 1:54 PM |

Because they are like the rest of us. They don't know how to pronounce his name.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | March 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I've felt a disturbance in the Force. Something tells me that Jason Campbell is going to be traded to -- or will be signed by -- ARI.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Evidence that Henry Ellard is one of the best signings we ever made. See David Elfin's story from Dec. 25, 1994, after the Skins final game:
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Of Ellard's 74 catches this season, an amazing 71 were for first downs and 30 were for at least 20 yards. Ellard also almost just became the first receiver to average 19 yards per catch and make at least 70 catches in two seasons. He averaged 18.9 yards. Only eight other receivers have hit the 70-19 combo.
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Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | March 9, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

that was probably gas.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins -- not even close comparing That Idiot Rex Grossman to Jake Delhomme.

For instance, That Idiot Rex Grossman has had 2 seasons out of 7 career where he's thrown more TD's than INT. And one of those seasons was 2006, where That Idiot Rex Grossman was also The Luckiest QB Alive. He had no idea who was going to catch some of those rainbows.

Delhomme had a horrible year last year, granted. But he ended up beating the sorry-a$$ Redskins. And his career prior wasn't too bad. A good guy for veteran backup.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 9, 2010 1:57 PM

I'm just sayin' I'm not thrilled about either. Delhomme just looks done, but hell if Brunnell can hang around, Delhomme sure can. As sween said the new OC is familiar with Grossman and he's younger. Do I want to see either one starting for the skins? God no.

Posted by: skinswest | March 9, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/8/1363256/tackle-ryan-lilja-offers-possible


"Of course, Lilja is a stronger pass blocker than run blocker, as he was part of a fantastic pass blocking line that kept Peyton Manning mostly upright for the last few years. But the Colts were dead last in the NFL this season in rushing yards, and that might not play out well with Kansas City's expected reliance on Jamaal Charles (and hopefully Thomas Jones). But it takes five to make these things happen and the scouting reports aren't all bad.

With some current pro scouts noting Lilja's intelligence, quickness, agility and body control that makes him able to get to the second level, Lilja could possibly make a great addition to a line in need like the Chiefs. After all, it's not that the Chiefs are abandoning the passing game at all. Plus, Lilja is only 28 and has championship experience. There are some health questions after Lilja missed the 2008 season with knee issues, but after starting all of 2009, it seems those problems are in the past.
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I recall the RamSkin era with George Allen, when he brought in a bunch of his former Ram players ... the 'over the hill gang'.

If his son Bruce brings in a bunch of folks from his former team, we'll become the BucSkins.

Not bad, eh

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Of Ellard's 74 catches this season, an amazing 71 were for first downs and 30 were for at least 20 yards. Ellard also almost just became the first receiver to average 19 yards per catch and make at least 70 catches in two seasons. He averaged 18.9 yards. Only eight other receivers have hit the 70-19 combo.
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Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | March 9, 2010 2:06 PM

THAT"S the guy who should be coaching our receivers!

Posted by: edvar | March 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

4th, nothing good can come of getting into lavar debate....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 9, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

ARE, 2009: 50 catches for 530 yards

Bryant, 2009: 39 catches for 600 yards

Pardon me if I'm not that excited.


Posted by: Alan4 | March 9, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Lilja (Pronunced: 'Ja JA Binks') sounds like he would fit the Shanny OLine proto type....

Sweeny - Attach the bandwagon, you're going to need some room....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

sounds too much like buttskins.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't separate Lilja from the rest of the Colts OL, but I would think he's worth a look.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

antonio bryant seems to have lost a burst

marcus mason lost a burst

chad clifton lost a....burst

ARE lost a burst

grossman lost a burst

pennington seems to have lost a burst

willie parker is not showing the... I don't know... a burst

hey look at me I'm jason reid, and look at what I did

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Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Forget BRYANT. FREE MARKO MITCHELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I can't separate Lilja from the rest of the Colts OL, but I would think he's worth a look.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 2:12 PM
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Yes, it is hard to separate them when they come in a five-pack like that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

We might as well kiss goodbye to any outside chance that the Skins might have had to win the NFC Championship ...

Jason La Canfora

Saints re-sign Torrence to one-year deal

Posted: March 9th, 2010

The Saints have re-signed CB Leigh Torrence for one year, according to a league source.

Torrence, a restricted free agent, played in five games last season before a shoulder injury ended his season. The five-year veteran mostly plays on special teams for the Saints.

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have tried to fix their QB situation via both the draft and FA. They have failed at both. The reason you pay the premium for a FA is because you have the film and history of their NFL career that you can look at which in theory means you have better info on what that player can do in the NFL. You don't have to try to deduce if their college experience will translate to the pros or if they are a mixed up kid who will grow up vs a doofus for life or what kind of character they have or how high their upside potential really is. The Skins failings have a lot more to do with the talent evaluating ability of those in charge than with the means in which they acquire the talent.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 9, 2010 2:01 PM |
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good point(s)..
So is it wiser to trade a 1st round pick for an established NFL star versus the 50/50 crap shoot of a college player?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok...now I see what may be happening here!


Quiet free agency period...no big splashes...I think draft day will be our Super Bowl. I can see us trading a few folks for mid to low round picks.

Makes perfect sense. If they bring in Bryant, they could probably get a 4th or 5th rounder for Kelly and a 3rd for Moss.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Lilja is short for "Little Ninja"

What grade would a little ninja be in? That's right, kindergarten.

No way this team needs another Kindergarden Ninja.

Is this thing on?

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

You gotta wonder about the rapport between Peyton Manning and his line. The first guy you hear him addressing is Ryan Lilja.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD0mLeMThOk

Posted by: dcsween | March 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

they could probably get a 4th or 5th rounder for Kelly and a 3rd for Moss.


both suggestions EQUALLY stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Why not??

4th Floor, your CRAZY!!!! T.O. over Bryant?

TO is old & can't catch up to his mouth anymore... BRYANT all day!!!

Only problem I have with this... it will slow the development of our young WR's... I just think we have to see how these guys play in a competent NFL offense.

Somebody will overpay & for once, it probably won't be us.

Posted by: tony325 | March 9, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Saints have re-signed CB Leigh Torrence for one year, according to a league source.

DAMN, we blew our chances on both RYAN CLARK and LEIGH TORRENCE. FA without SNYDER and the "Bag-man" s-s-sucks.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Forget BRYANT. FREE MARKO MITCHELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 2:14 PM


PLEASE LET'S LEAVE THE RACIST COMMENTS OUT THE DOOR."FREE MITCHELL" REPLACE THAT WITH "FREE BEN" MARKO HAS NEVER BEEN TO JAIL. BIG BEN IS ACUSED OF RAPE OF "BLACK WOMAN". GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Only problem I have with this... it will slow the development of our young WR's..."

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

NO FA WR's. FREE MARKO MITCHELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

???

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Ninja Rap - Vanilla Ice

Posted by: RedDMV | March 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM

Where did that come from? Wow...I didn't know the girl was black...but still....WTF???

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Forget BRYANT. FREE MARKO MITCHELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 9, 2010 2:14 PM


PLEASE LET'S LEAVE THE RACIST COMMENTS OUT THE DOOR."FREE MITCHELL" REPLACE THAT WITH "FREE BEN" MARKO HAS NEVER BEEN TO JAIL. BIG BEN IS ACUSED OF RAPE OF "BLACK WOMAN". GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What the f*** are you talking about? I think this guy is talking about letting Marko Mitchell play and remove him from the bottom of the depth chart. I'm thinking you're comment is the one that is racist. You racey racist person you.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

???

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 2:30 PM
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Now there's a rebel without a cause if ever I saw one...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Go Lilja, Go Lilja Go!

Lilja, Lilja RAP!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

they could probably get a 4th or 5th rounder for Kelly and a 3rd for Moss.

both suggestions EQUALLY stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 2:21 PM
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Yep, he's an equal stuportunity poster.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep this BLOGG "civil". Martin would have wanted that.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse


Quiet free agency period...no big splashes...I think draft day will be our Super Bowl. I can see us trading a few folks for mid to low round picks.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 9, 2010 2:20 PM
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ricky...unfortunately the Draft is like the stock market.. zero sum proposition.. Someone has to be selling or buying for you to make a deal.. And why would they give up picks in the "deepest quality Draft" since 1983?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Ninja Rap had nothing on Turtle Power.

Partners in Kryme > Vanilla Ice 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 9, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

my kingdom for a Larry Foote update.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 9, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious the Redskins will draft a punter - proof positive is the fact that the Redskins have not re-signed Hunter the Punter. Can Tebow punt?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 9, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Turtles in Half Shell.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Derek Anderson was cut by the Browns...

Welcome to Washington, Mr. Anderson...

Posted by: Hammertime44 | March 9, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 9, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"A few seconds isn't much when you are starting at zero. The QBs internal clock should be set to 2.7. We're already getting hit at 2.2. A few seconds is probably about 3 seconds. That how much a good line should be providing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 9, 2010 1:47 PM"

PA Skins,

I would agree with you with the following additions/conditions:

A) The clock starts when the ball touches the QB's hands;

NOT after he takes his first step back, from center,

NOT after he has time to drop back 7 steps,

NOT after he gets his feet planted, the ball repositioned, and then has time to fixate on his intended receiver,

and DEFINITELY NOT after ALL of those things combined...

B) EITHER the ball should be IN THE AIR by 3.5 seconds, or the QB should be on the move,

C) the WRS & TEs run decent (don't have to be perfect, just quick and crisp) routes

all other things being equal, or at least close...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 9, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Derek Anderson was just cut by the Browns, I would want him over Grossman as a depth QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 9, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I recall the RamSkin era with George Allen, when he brought in a bunch of his former Ram players ... the 'over the hill gang'.

If his son Bruce brings in a bunch of folks from his former team, we'll become the BucSkins.

Not bad, eh

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 9, 2010 2:09 PM
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zcezcest...if you remember the "RamSkins" its good to know nursing homes are wired.

And, by the way, I believe "RamSkins" is now a condom brand.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 9, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 9, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I see no reason NOT to address wr when it won't hinder their ability to address other needs as well. That goes for any other position too. Not just wr.

But I'd also like to see Thomas and or Kelly rise up this year.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 9, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

OFFENSIVE LINE

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 9, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Bryant?? I play salary cap fantasy football, which means you can pick from any player in the league to set your best line-up each week within the cap limit and the salaries assigned to each player.

I have never picked Bryant or been tempted to pick him. The guy never comes up in fantasy discussions I have with other players.

A quick check of his career stats suggests why. A couple of decent seasons in 8 years with 4 different teams. If you throw out the high water marks, Bryant appears good for 40-50 catches for about 750 yards and 4 touchdowns. Sometimes the starter, sometimes not. At this point, Bryant seems like a journeyman good as a backup or #3 WR.

Not sure why the skins would be interested unless they have concluded what they have is worse and/or Bryant won't cost all that much.

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | March 9, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

T.O. really wasn't a "problem" in Dallas nor Buffalo. There was no "falling out" with anyone in Dallas. The players liked him, except for the ones (Romo) who were under pressure to play better. T.O. was the hardest worker in Dallas and never said one word in Buffalo. You dummies out there who know NOTHING about football or the people who play always try to down T.O. because--and only because that's what you read in the lying, misguided media. You really ought to know your facts before you shoot your mouth off!

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | March 9, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Bryant won't cost all that much."

DING! DING! DING!

We have a weiner. :P

I'd rather they draft someone.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 9, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

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