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With Redskins, Rex Grossman hopes to be 'in the mix' for starting role

New Redskins quarterback Rex Grossman believes he still is capable of being an NFL starter, he said Thursday at Redskins Park.

"That's my goal. I want to start in this league at some point [again] and get back there and play," said Grossman, who is participating in the offseason conditioning program at the complex.

"Every quarterback that plays in the NFL wants to start. ... I definitely think I can. I've got a lot of confidence in myself. Hopefully, this is a steppingstone to the second half of my career."

Grossman, who signed with the Redskins on Thursday, spent the 2009 seasons as a backup with the Houston Texans, where he played under offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, the Redskins' lead offensive coach and play-caller. Grossman's best season as a starter occurred in 2006 when he helped the Chicago Bears reach the Super Bowl, where they lost to the Indianapolis Colts.

"I think this is a great opportunity for me," Grossman said. "I loved working with Kyle Shanahan last year. I think his offense fits what I do best. That's the main reason I'm excited to be here."

Grossman said the Redskins have given him no assurances about playing time and that he just wants to be "in the mix."

By Jason Reid  |  March 18, 2010; 1:40 PM ET
Categories:  Free agency , Kyle Shanahan , Rex Grossman  
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Comments

Will youse stop with all the race-mixing crapola, willya'?"


signed, Archie Bunker

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 18, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"you big dummy"

Signed, Fred Sanford

Posted by: JohnDinHouston


"DYN-O-Mite!"

signed,

Jimmy Walker

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Starter my a$$.... FIRST.

Posted by: hchoi2 | March 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If this joker is starting hopefully somebody got injured or something is wrong.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Have a hard time believing Grossman is seriously in the mix for starting. If Grossman is in the mix for starting, its going to be an ugly year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If it's good REx...I welcome him as a starter....

If it's BAd Rex...You might as well call him JAson Campbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If, and I repeat, if he starts or anyone other than Jason C does and leads the team to a few wins all will quickly forget JC. Watch and see.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

COME ON FLORIDA!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

1. Tebow is not worth a 37, especially for the Redskins who are "down" two picks in the draft at this juncture. 4 and 37 need to start from day one. Doubt he will fall to the 4th, and if he does, I think Redskins would be more wise to address another team need vice grabbing a charismatic project QB and tweener position player. Tebow makes for a great story, but IMO, its best to let that story be written in some other city. Feel free to put a marker down to play the "we should have grabbed Tebow" card if you must. I just think its not a wise use of the 37.

2. Jarmon was an OUTSTANDING use of a 2010 third round pick, the guy played his way into the mix, performed well, already played a year before the draft even occurred. Those who auto portray this move every time the subject comes up as some sort of negative or a waste of the pick because Redskins now don't have a 3rd rd pick are a) hard headed b) f*cking stupid.

3. Not sure what problem Porter will be brought into solve. While I agree with the generality that "competition is good", does Orakpo need a challenger? If no, then who moves? Porter? Orakpo? Is Porter being brought in to simply create another D package option shuttling in and out of the game?? Is he willing to do that for even or less money than in Az? Evaluating the overall result of bringing him in doesn't make sense now, because there are too many unknowns in the equation. Seems to me that bringing in Porter sets up a daisy chain of moves that may or may not work out if one assumes he plays every down at his natural RLB spot. Therefore I think Haslett may have other ideas than plugging him in at RLB. Not sure Porter will go for that if he can get a guaranteed gig in the desert. Maybe I'm wrong, and he will buy into the "53 guys together can't lose" mantra.

4. Grossman... what else is he gonna say? This is just a thinly veiled attempt by Da Mathematician to get some insight in to BA/Shanny's thoughts re the 4th pick. Its been A for effort, and F for cracking the code, which is perfect as far as I'm concerned. "So, Rex, are you going to start? What did they tell you?"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

HA!! BYU will take this game! book it!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

We're only talking about 9% of OT games ending with a field goal on the first posession. It's hardly a staggering number.

Posted by: Original_etrod |

Where'd you get that figure from? Is that a stat from the 1970s?

The overtime rules are outdated. They were made in a time that there were more touchbacks, that kickoffs weren't returned to the 30-35 on average, and when FG kickers struggled to make 45-50 yarders, not 55-60. Not to mention there are more penalties now that help a team down the field (See Saints NFC champ game, SD vs Indy last year).

I wouldn't extend the game by more than 1 quarter. If its tied after 15 minutes, it ends in a tie per usual. But in those 15 minutes you play to 6.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I say let him be in the mix He can't be any worse than Jason " Check Down " Campbell

Posted by: richardgovea | March 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Have we not had enough of these good ol' Gators. Chokin' Gators,at that.

Posted by: ridgely1 | March 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

On OT, just kickoff from the 40 and have touchbacks come to the 10. Or kickoff from the 35 and touchbacks to the 15. That would balance things out.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

COME ON FLORIDA!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:56 PM

Come son. You have K State winning the who shebang. This game will not make or break you.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Ha Big Rex lol sike.... but Porter wouldn't replace anyone he lines up on the other side of orakpo anyways.... Get Okung this year and Draft Locker next or Luck out of Stanford this is a long term thing just be patient people patient patien patient

Posted by: patljr7 | March 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

At this point, if JC is not the starter, then the starter is not on the roster.

Unless its Brennan.

(insert evil cackling laugh)

(or say the whole thing in a sing song local Hawaiian kine pidgin accent like "you know what, colt gonna chance 'em for starter already brah")

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Bye J.C. the true words have been spoken from someone who has been to the BIG GAME. Jason will be traded for the 42 pick in the second round and that's were we will land T. TEBOW "aka GODS CHILD".

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 18, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

At first I was like X-}
... what a dis, to have your team say "you wanna start? beat out Rex Grossman"

The I was like >:-\
... what does that say if you can't beat out Rex Grossman to start.

Now I'm like [:-| meh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 18, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If anything Grossman could serve as a tudor for Campbell as he knows K. Shanahan's offense already. Can't see him starting though. Not with the line in its current state. If we go Left Tackle at 4 and Right Tackle at 37 we will be a better football team right away. Love to see what any QB could do for us with a real O line. So its 2 Tackles with the first 2 picks or bust IMHO!

Posted by: FedorEm | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Seriously????

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

COME ON FLORIDA!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:56 PM

Mr. Bob Morris might take out one of my Final Four teams. Of course, my overall champion will lose by 20 tonight, so whateves..

Posted by: 4-12 | March 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, giving a team the ball at their own ten after a touchback is a penalty. It takes away a lot of their playbook.

If you just auto give the coin flip winner the ball at their own 20, you let the 22 starters affect the outcome form the get go... vice letting a blown KO coverage by some rookie or a missed tackle by the K decide the outcome.

The offense has to drive the ball, and the defense has to get a 3 and out to flip the field and give their own offense a chance.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

lmao@ss101!

I think Porter would let VelosORAKPO get back to playing DE full time. Where he should be.

...provided he's (Porter) still got speed.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 18, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This is going to SJK my bracket!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Old Dominion over Notre Dame. As my 10th grade math teacher used to say, "If you can't go to college, go to ODU."

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

T. TEBOW "aka GODS CHILD".

Posted by: skinsinsider101

101- More like Rosemary's Baby. go to a 2-digit number

Posted by: ElYeah | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

4th only in your bama azz universe does Grossman = Campbell

Already 1-0, had ODU (VIRGINIA, BABY, WHAT!?!?!?!) knocking off Notre Dame.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

about the only thing I like about grossman is his quick release but his decision making is horrible. JC17 isn't great either, but atleast he doesn't throw a pick with what seems every other pass. I throw Rex and JC in the same boat. Promising talent that has already peaked to average to below average production. May the best man win.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman feels he can start?? Where?? If he really feels that way then he needs a drug test. he couldn't start my Madden 10 team

Posted by: donaldtaylor | March 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Come son. You have K State winning the who shebang. This game will not make or break you.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 2:06 PM

Well....Let me put it like this...

I had ND going to the sweet 16, Nova to the Final 4, and Florida winning this game....

Non are going my way at the moment.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman feels he can start?? Where?? If he really feels that way then he needs a drug test. he couldn't start my Madden 10 team

Posted by: donaldtaylor | March 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

4th only in your bama azz universe does Grossman = Campbell

Already 1-0, had ODU (VIRGINIA, BABY, WHAT!?!?!?!) knocking off Notre Dame.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM

Go back and reread.....

'BAD Rex = JC17'

Not 'Rex = JC17'

Hater's always to quick ot jump to cinclusions....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

4th only in your bama azz universe does Grossman = Campbell

Already 1-0, had ODU (VIRGINIA, BABY, WHAT!?!?!?!) knocking off Notre Dame.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM

Go back and reread.....

'BAD Rex = JC17'

Not 'Rex = JC17'

Hater's always too quick to jump to conclusions....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If JC is on the roster come training camp, i want to see how he does when he has been freed from the mental shackles zorn had on him.

Then again, he never even saw a LOT of wide open receiver's, let alone throw and miss them.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

ODU!

ODU!

ODU!

Great friggin' start to the tourney... 11 upsets 6... making the Commonwealth proud... as a Tidewater boy, and a fan of underdogs everywhere, I absolutely love this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 18, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This is how the season will start in the Quarterback position. JC will be the starter for 1 to 2 games and he's going to struggle and he's going to get benched and Rex will start. Simple as that.

Posted by: bdbyptr | March 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Dik...meh.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Dik...meh.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman is the starter then you can kiss the next three to six years good bye! Because will have another coaching change AGAIN!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | March 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman is the starter then you can kiss the next three to six years good bye! Because will have another coaching change AGAIN!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | March 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

When the Sex Pistols toured Texas, Sid Vicious yelled out, "ALL YOU COWBOYS ARE A BUNCHA PU**IES!!!!!" ...Beer bottles exploded on his head, AND HE DIDN'T BLINK!!! HAIL SID!!!!

As long as Rex wins, hell, he can machine gun passengers on the Metro, hahaha!!

Posted by: frak | March 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman is the starter then you can kiss the next three to six years good bye! Because will have another coaching change AGAIN!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | March 18, 2010 2:37 PM

Maybe you could be a little more explicit about why you think this?

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

LTSF,
If Grossman is the starter JC will either be injured, or not on the roster.

If JC is not on the roster and Grossman is starting, then there will be an obvious QB in waiting on the team.

If JC is injured to the point of being finished after being selected as the QB by Shanny, then the Redskins will trade for, FA sign, or draft the next QB.

Grossman is not, and never will be, The Answer at QB in DC.

BA/Shanny are here to stay for as long as they want, and nobody out there will give Danny and the Redskins a better chance. Shanny will not get run out of town for failing to bring in a viable QB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

FINALLY...Nova comes back...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, giving a team the ball at their own ten after a touchback is a penalty. It takes away a lot of their playbook.

If you just auto give the coin flip winner the ball at their own 20, you let the 22 starters affect the outcome form the get go... vice letting a blown KO coverage by some rookie or a missed tackle by the K decide the outcome.

The offense has to drive the ball, and the defense has to get a 3 and out to flip the field and give their own offense a chance.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Mostly saying there is a place for the kickoff and touchback which balances the offense and defense. If its not 40 and 10, maybe its kickoff from the 35 and touchback at the 15. Not sure what the exact location is, but I'm sure there is one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Nova is garbage. That region is Baylor's regardless.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

We'll be in deep trouble if Sexy Rexy sees the field this year. GO JC!! I KNOW you can beat out this guy!! He's horrible and I won't be able to bear watching him in preseason. He's horrible.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Either Campbell will start, with Grossman #2 and Clausen #3 and by mid-season, Clausen will start with Campbell relegated to #3...OR...Grossman starts the 1st half of the year while Clausen gets ready and Campbell gets dealt before the year starts. Grossman would have 1/2 a season to show other teams that he's still capable of starting.

Posted by: garg8050 | March 18, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

We're only talking about 9% of OT games ending with a field goal on the first posession. It's hardly a staggering number.

Posted by: Original_etrod |

Where'd you get that figure from? Is that a stat from the 1970s?

The overtime rules are outdated. They were made in a time that there were more touchbacks, that kickoffs weren't returned to the 30-35 on average, and when FG kickers struggled to make 45-50 yarders, not 55-60. Not to mention there are more penalties now that help a team down the field (See Saints NFC champ game, SD vs Indy last year).

I wouldn't extend the game by more than 1 quarter. If its tied after 15 minutes, it ends in a tie per usual. But in those 15 minutes you play to 6.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse


The stat came from the data maese provided in the last post. since 1994, 35% of OT games ended on the 1st posession and of those, 26% ended with a field goal.

26% of 35% = 9%

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 18, 2010, 2:53 ET
We're hearing that despite Redskins coach Mike Shanahan stating he wants competition at every position, the QB spot is all but wrapped up. Both Mike and Kyle think very highly of Rex Grossman, and have no intentions of sticking with 2009 starting qb Jason Campbell. They plan on having Rex take 1/2 the snaps through training camp, and we're hearing that unless he's injured, he's the starter for their first game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 18, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

So, you seem to agree that its the long KO after winning the toss is the advantage right? So why not just eliminate the KO all together? Give the toss winner the ball at their 20, and let them SUSTAIN a drive to win. Let the toss loser have to defend, but give them a fair chance to give up a first down or two and still have a chance to make a final stand and stay in the game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

BA/Shanny are here to stay for as long as they want, and nobody out there will give Danny and the Redskins a better chance.


Keep thinking that. Shanahan will not get the same kind of loyalty that Gibbs did. If they dont get to the playoffs in the next three years Shanahan will be gone. If he drafts a qb this year or next it may buy him an extra year, but he doesnt have a free pass. He has done nothing in this town to warrant that kind of treatment. We all need to realize what Shanahan is. He is a good coach, a definite upgrade from Zorn. He is not the greatest personnel man and he is not a qb guru as many have proclaimed him to be. He is not going to be out of here in two years like Zorn, but if they are not winning by year three the Shanahan experiment may be on its way out of town. Hopefully he gets the job done and can stick around for a while.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman = Roy Munson

Posted by: ksquare | March 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The stat came from the data maese provided in the last post. since 1994, 35% of OT games ended on the 1st posession and of those, 26% ended with a field goal.

26% of 35% = 9%


Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 2:51 PM

The game is a lot different now than in 1994. The extra 5 yards is one point.

Tell that stat to Indy and Minny who lost the flip, got screwed on botched overtime calls and never saw the ball.

I know the argument of win it in regulation and thats it. But when you go to OT, both teams should have a fair shake, not just the team that HAPPENS to win the coin flip. A 30 yard drive in OT that ends in a FG shouldn't be enough to win a game.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Mike Florio
March 18, 2010, 2:53 ET
We're hearing that despite Redskins coach Mike Shanahan stating he wants competition at every position, the QB spot is all but wrapped up. Both Mike and Kyle think very highly of Rex Grossman, and have no intentions of sticking with 2009 starting qb Jason Campbell. They plan on having Rex take 1/2 the snaps through training camp, and we're hearing that unless he's injured, he's the starter for their first game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS IGNITE QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSY

ASHBURN, VA -- It's barely 24 hours into his time with the Redskins, and new team member Rex Grossman has already ignited a QB controversy in your nation's capital.

The man formerly known as "Sexy Rexy" can no longer lay claim to the title... as the years have been unkind to him... his stats have suffered mightily... and the young ladies no longer look his way.

Observe that he has been relegated to picking up spare change in the Redskin locker room... hoping for an occasional quarter or two in the exhibition season... or mop up duty behind Washington Redskin Quarterback for Life Jason Campbell (JC17)... and then only after some highly unlikely event or circumstance... like JC17 hanging a 63-7 score on a division rival going into the 4th quarter.

The man who formerly wore the number 8 for the Houston Texans and Chicago Bears is also miffed that he cannot again call himself the "Great Eight," as Washington already has another more popular, and better paid, star athlete who has laid claim to this title...

Nor can he claim the number 6, and call himself the "Six-Shooter," as Washington has another yet another overly paid felon and star athlete who claimed the right to that title...

So poor Rex is also now a quarterback without a nickname:

Should we call him "Resur-rex-tion Rex," given that he has been reduced to playing backup for a hopeless excuse for a quarterback (JC17)... that no one else will have on a dare or a lark...

He's playing on a one year deal -- with minimal pay and props and only the weakest of expectations for him actually playing in anything approaching a meaningful game?

Who and what indeed, will the fans be screaming for this season -- when JC17 falters... as he inevitably must... and the fans shout out a demand for Rex?

Will they be calling for the token white QB on the sidelines...

this sad remnant of a dude...

like some younger version of Todd Collins...

relegated to wearing a baseball cap and holding an old fashioned clip board and greese pencil...

while everyone else is comparing their computerized screen shots?

Poor Rex.

If anyone needs to be "Resu-rex-tion Rex," it's this poor soul, indeed!


Posted by: Vic1 | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Catholics lose.

Mormons win.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

They plan on having Rex take 1/2 the snaps through training camp, and we're hearing that unless he's injured, he's the starter for their first game.

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That is so stupid. Unless Jason is injured, Jason is the starter. I hope I never see Grossman in a regular season game.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"35% of OT games ended on the 1st posession and of those, 26% ended with a field goal."
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Doesn't that seem low? I haven't looked it up, but I wonder if he didn't confuse the numbers. Did 74% of games that ended on the first possession really end with a TD (assuming the number ending with a safety is negligible)? I'm wondering if he meant 26% of all OT games ended with a first possession FG?

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Go Mountain West Conference!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Fish on!

Ziiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggggggg

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"If JC is on the roster come training camp, I want to see how he does when he has been freed from the mental shackles zorn had on him."

I don't think Campbell will be on the roster come training camp, but if he is, you have to wonder how much patience Shanny and Shanny jr. will have with him.

And the reason why I think they'll move him is that they'll reason they'd rather burn their energies with a young'n than try to get a vet to do what he hasn't shown himself to be--accurate and a commanding presence on the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 18, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, will you never learn...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The game is a lot different now than in 1994. The extra 5 yards is one point.

Tell that stat to Indy and Minny who lost the flip, got screwed on botched overtime calls and never saw the ball.

I know the argument of win it in regulation and thats it. But when you go to OT, both teams should have a fair shake, not just the team that HAPPENS to win the coin flip. A 30 yard drive in OT that ends in a FG shouldn't be enough to win a game.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse


1994 is when the kickoff was moved from the 35 to the 30 so the game is the same. That's why the started there.


Both teams get a fair shake. It's called 60 mintues of regulation.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

4th--I'm ready to fill out a bracket now. Can you post the link again?

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

One guy's take on Lilja:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/17/1820023/whitlock-chiefs-offseason-moves.html


How much are we paying Hicks?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The backup QB is usually the most popular guy in town. Maybe this was a Front Office move to make sure that Jason Campbell wouldn't become too unpopular.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Both teams get a fair shake. It's called 60 mintues of regulation.

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Hmmmm. Then why not just let the coin toss determine the winner? Flip it, call it, celebrate, hit the showers.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The backup QB is usually the most popular guy in town. Maybe this was a Front Office move to make sure that Jason Campbell wouldn't become too unpopular.

Posted by: dcsween

Kinda like having an incompetent VP so everyone takes good care of the president.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

One guy's take on Lilja:

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:14 PM

I despise Whitlock but he's right about Lilja being the best free agent signing by any team so far.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Both teams get a fair shake. It's called 60 mintues of regulation.


Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 3:09 PM

One team does not deserve to win more than the other just because they win a coin flip.

Minny and Indy got screwed because the refs botched the first drive in overtime. That wasn't anything NO and SD did to win or they did to lose. Could have just as easily been on the other side of the coin.

Those were both great games and they both ended with garbage... as are most of the OT games nowadays. A return to the 35, a 30 yard drive, and a FG.

At least give BOTH teams a chance to get screwed equally. Or a 75 yard drive, not just a 30 yard drive.

As a fan of the NFL I want to see fairness and GOOD games end with GOOD play.

2 consecutive years of 2 great playoff games ended by garbage overtime is not that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Kinda like having an incompetent VP so everyone takes good care of the president.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:19 PM

In one recent administration, the VP got moved to an undisclosed location in crisis moments and the President's location was fully disclosed. Hmmm.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock is the MidWest Version of Wilbon.

HE hates Black People....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

On March Madness, I admit to knowing nothing -- haven't seen a college b-ball game in years. So appropriately, I will be very humble.

On the other hand, if I wind up with more points than you in the brackets that 4th set up, you must really be dumb. Therefore, any trash talk I throw your way -- you deserve.

Have a nice day

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"A good reputation is one of the many annoyances to which I have never been subjected"

Oscar Wilde

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 18, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock is the MidWest Version of Wilbon.

HE hates Black People....

Posted by: 4thFloor

So does the Republican Party. What's your point?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 18, 2010, 2:53 ET

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM

Damb. When Greg does it, I know not to be juked, but when you add a link to the entire site and fake in a time ... that's just not right.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why anyone in this town should even bother to spare a thought on how overtime games are played.

It's not as if Washington Redskins under Starting Quarterback for Life Jason Campbell (JC17) are going to be in position to play very many overtime games -- as most contests under JC17's field leadership are already well decided before the start of the 4th quarter.

And besides -- recalling the long period of time last season when Hunter the Punter was tied with JC17 for the team lead in touchdown passes thrown -- the Washington Redskins would probably be better served by having their defense or special teams unit on the field in overtime.

Perhaps Redskin fan interests would be better served by arguing for a "Mercy Kill" rule similar to the one used on a lot of pee wee sports fields. Under this rule, officials could call a game and award an immediate "mercy kill" victory to any team that goes up by 50 points or more. That might make the second half of games against division rivals and other offensive powerhouses mercifully shorter and somewhat easier to endure.

Ain't hating, just saying...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

After reading Bean's PFT story, then Curzon's artwork to increase believability, I think I know exactly how Carlos Rogers feels. I bit on the old Double Move.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Both teams get a fair shake. It's called 60 mintues of regulation.

Posted by: Original_etrod"

Both teams also failed to win in regulation, not just the team that happened to lose the coin toss in OT.

In regulation, both teams also get a chance to receive a kickoff.

How would baseball look if a team had to flip a coin going into extra innings, and the first team to score won?

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

That's good fishing when you land a big one...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Ain't hating, just saying...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM

Those are the same words that Whitlock uses at the close of his editorial pieces as well.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

One guy's take on Lilja:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/17/1820023/whitlock-chiefs-offseason-moves.html

How much are we paying Hicks?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:14 PM

When did we sign Hicks? When was Lilja cut? [March 6, March 8]

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


Whitlock is the MidWest Version of Wilbon.

HE hates Black People....

Posted by: 4thFloor

So does the Republican Party. What's your point?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM

Certain Republicans dont like Black People.....The actual Republican PArty likes Black People.....They were the ones who had sense to inact into law our Freedom....

Democrats pretend to like Blacks, but then treat them like the Black Sheep of the Family.....Obama included....

My point is...Like don't read Wilbon.....Don't read Whitlock....cuz he is a racist....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If it's BAd Rex...You might as well call him JAson Campbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM
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No... Bad Rex = Leaf, Russell, Shuler

I'd take bad JC over bad Rex any day.

So, to sign Rex, we said, "sure we'll give you a shot to start."

come on, do you really think this will happen??

Posted by: tony325 | March 18, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

F. Nova. More like Nova-rated!

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:14 PM

Yeah and Whitlock isnt biased. He talked about when he met him in high school. Lilja isnt the greatest of run blockers. Im sure he is not the reason why Indy lost the super bowl but he is one of the reasons why their running game was one of the worst in the league.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I've got it.

Overtime needn't be significantly modified. Sudden death works. One possession works.

What doesn't work is the coin toss. It's completely arbitrary. The solution is simple: 500.

Line up 3 players from each team in the endzone. Have an independent official on hand for every game that can throw an arcing football 25 yards, yell "jackpot", then let her rip. Whoever comes down with it gets first possession. The NFL's version of a jump ball. Done.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

When did we sign Hicks?

When was Lilja cut? [March 6, March 8]

Posted by: League-Source

Hicks = backup $3million/year
Lilja = starter $2.5million/year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

What are the possibilities that Grossman got some kind of assurance that we are not intending to draft a QB in the first two rounds before he committed to coming here?

It's one thing to say "we'll let you compete with Jason", but quite another to say "we're drafting QB at #1, good luck!"

Just wondering...

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Minny and Indy got screwed because the refs botched the first drive in overtime. That wasn't anything NO and SD did to win or they did to lose. Could have just as easily been on the other side of the coin.

Those were both great games and they both ended with garbage... as are most of the OT games nowadays. A return to the 35, a 30 yard drive, and a FG.

At least give BOTH teams a chance to get screwed equally. Or a 75 yard drive, not just a 30 yard drive.

As a fan of the NFL I want to see fairness and GOOD games end with GOOD play.

2 consecutive years of 2 great playoff games ended by garbage overtime is not that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse


Most of the games don't end that way. The numbers just don't support that argument. Yes, it happens but not as often as you think.

Lots of teams get screwed by officals in regulation. If that's the problem, then crack down on officials. Don't change the rules of semothing that works because you don't get a happy ending 9% of the time.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Both teams also failed to win in regulation, not just the team that happened to lose the coin toss in OT.

In regulation, both teams also get a chance to receive a kickoff.

How would baseball look if a team had to flip a coin going into extra innings, and the first team to score won?

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 3:30 PM |

Another good point.

My thought is, whats the downside to changing it? Why NOT change it? Just cause people don't like to break tradition?

Isn't the point of the rules of sports to make the game fair?

Aren't ANY of the ideas being tossed around more fair than the way it currently is? How could anyone possibly argue that the way it is now is more fair than first to 6, or each teams gets the ball once, etc.

Why not change it then? And just saying 'tradition' is a stupid answer. And if plenty of people are saying its unfair, then it probably is to some degree. Plenty of other rules change in the NFL.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock is the MidWest Version of Wilbon.

HE hates Black People....

Posted by: 4thFloor

So does the Republican Party. What's your point?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM

Certain Republicans dont like Black People.....The actual Republican PArty likes Black People.....They were the ones who had sense to inact into law our Freedom....

Democrats pretend to like Blacks, but then treat them like the Black Sheep of the Family.....Obama included....

My point is...Like don't read Wilbon.....Don't read Whitlock....cuz he is a racist....

Posted by: 4thFloor

I so want to say something... but naw, can't do it. It'll piss off some people up here.

To high heaven.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I so want to say something... but naw, can't do it. It'll piss off some people up here.

To high heaven.

Posted by: RedDMV

has that ever stopped you before?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Fish on!

Ziiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggggggg

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 18, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse
ROFLMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | March 18, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

curz, we gonna practice catch and release, or we taking a couple for supper?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

greg, you don't release a wily fish like dcsween. That one goes on the wall.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on Murry State keep me perfect.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I so want to say something... but naw, can't do it. It'll piss off some people up here.

To high heaven.

Posted by: RedDMV

has that ever stopped you before?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Can a dude change? Fall back a little?

"During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, in the way you feel about me, and in the way I feel about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than twenty million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!"

*Applause*

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

LMAO Grossman is ok as long as he does not play, he is a system quarterback like Collins was , I mean of course the guy wants to start what else is he suppose to say , but he won't be starting here!!!!

In regards to Porter we don't have quality linebacker depth nor an attitude Porter is still productive an coming from that Pittsburg linebacker lineage he cannot do anything but help..SIGN HIM

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

How would baseball look if a team had to flip a coin going into extra innings, and the first team to score won?

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Apples and oranges. In baseball, the defense has no way of scoring points or taking the ball away from the offense. That's part of the reason why baseball sucks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Certain Republicans dont like Black People.....The actual Republican PArty likes Black People.....They were the ones who had sense to inact into law our Freedom....

Democrats pretend to like Blacks, but then treat them like the Black Sheep of the Family.....Obama included...."


Generalized statements like this (and I'm not picking sides, here) are just stupid - especially on a sports blog.

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

curz, agreed, I was gonna say lets mount him, but that don't sound quite right...not that there's anything wrong with that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 18, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

On March Madness, I admit to knowing nothing -- haven't seen a college b-ball game in years. So appropriately, I will be very humble.

On the other hand, if I wind up with more points than you in the brackets that 4th set up, you must really be dumb. Therefore, any trash talk I throw your way -- you deserve.

Have a nice day

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I can match you on watching bb. I've seen a few minutes of 2 MD games. I just went by how the teams were seeded. But it's fun to participate.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 18, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, in the way you feel about me, and in the way I feel about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than twenty million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!"

*Applause*

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM |

Nice Rocky 4 pull Red.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor


How can you compare Wilbon and Whitlock? They are both black sportswriters, beyond that I dont see many similarities. Whitlock is a jackazz. Wilbon might be a bit full of himself but he is nowhere the tool that Whitlock is.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If it's good REx...I welcome him as a starter....

If it's BAd Rex...You might as well call him JAson Campbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM

______________________________________

ohhhhhhhh Snap!

Posted by: datruth21 | March 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Etrod and Closer44, are you intentionally messing up the stats to get our goat? "26% of games ended with an FG on the first drive" means exactly that. The 9% you are talking about is TDs on the FIRST drive of OT. That 26% of FIRST drives ended in a FG and 9% with a TD, says only that 65% did not end on the first drive, and we don't know how many of those ended with FGs or TDs. Ok?

Posted by: boozyb | March 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hicks = backup $3million/year
Lilja = starter $2.5million/year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:37 PM

You haven't seen either contract, have you? So where you getting those numbers? How much is guaranteed in each contract? What are the signing bonuses?

What I read for Hicks is "three years, COULD BE worth as much as $9 million." That's not the same as what you posted, is it?

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

know what you mean greg. I was gonna say I was just holding your pole, but just couldn't go there...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

greg, you don't release a wily fish like dcsween. That one goes on the wall.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:45 PM

Or in a fish filet sandwich.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

That's good fishing when you land a big one...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 3:31 PM

And like Carlos Rogers, I'm unhappy with my RFA tender and want to be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"And if plenty of people are saying its unfair, then it probably is to some degree."

It's pretty clear to me that it's unfair.

"In the last 16 years though, the winning percentage among teams that have won the coin toss has shot up to 59.8 percent."

Which means the team that lost the coin toss ended up winning only 40.2% of the time.

59.8% vs 40.2% is a significant difference.

It's not about scoring on the opening drive. That's a misleading barometer of effectiveness. It's the fact that the team losing the coin toss will always have to make one more defensive stop/turnover than the team winning the coin toss (aside from the rare special teams touchdowns). That's the primary reason for the big discrepancy in winning percentages of the two sides of the coin.

And I don't see how anyone can argue the fairness in that.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Why not change it then? And just saying 'tradition' is a stupid answer. And if plenty of people are saying its unfair, then it probably is to some degree. Plenty of other rules change in the NFL.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse


Just because plenty of people say it's unfair doesn't mean that it is.

The numbers show that it's not unfair.

Both teams still have a chance to win the game and 90% of the, either someone gets to 6 or both teams get the ball so your requirements are met.

If the Skins and Cowboys went to OT in the NFC championship and we won the toss you wouldn't be complaining about this rule.

(OK, so I probably would complain if Dallas won the toss but that's neither here nor there)

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

etrod, I thought the stats were that 35% of all OT games ended on the first possession by any scoring method, and 26% of all OT games ended on the first possession with a field goal.

It just doesn't seem right that only 26% of that 35% were FGs. That would mean that 74% of all OT games which ended on the first possession did so because a TD was scored. Again, that just doesn't seem right to me.

One idiot's opinion...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

And like Carlos Rogers, I'm unhappy with my RFA tender and want to be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 3:53 PM

No, that's where you and Carlos diverge. You want to be traded (for a salmon?) but Carlos wants to be released.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Most of the games don't end that way. The numbers just don't support that argument. Yes, it happens but not as often as you think.

Lots of teams get screwed by officals in regulation. If that's the problem, then crack down on officials. Don't change the rules of semothing that works because you don't get a happy ending 9% of the time.

Posted by: Original_etrod

See boozyB's post. You're reading the statistics wrong.

The game ended on a first drive 35% of the time and a first drive FG 26% of the time. Herego a first drive TD 9% of the time.

The way you're reading it, those numbers would be reversed. 9% first drive FGs and 26% first drive TDs. Does that sound right to you, that 3 times more OT games end in TDs instead of FGs?

This year including playoffs, there were 14 OT games. 3 ended on TDs (Min/Chi, Dal/KC, Ari/GB). 11 ended on FGs, and 5 of those were first drive.

That's 5 of 14 first drive FGs this year. 36%. I think the number is just going to keep going up from 26%.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Grossman and Colt will be battling for jobs come August..... but not with or JC. JC will be elsewhere. Brennda will be holding on for dear life against post draft a free agent signing and Sexy Rexy will have to beat out Shanny's bright, shiny new penny he picks up in the draft. Scary but true. Hope everyone in Redskinland likes pickles.

Posted by: Holehoggin | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What are the possibilities that Grossman got some kind of assurance that we are not intending to draft a QB in the first two rounds before he committed to coming here?

It's one thing to say "we'll let you compete with Jason", but quite another to say "we're drafting QB at #1, good luck!"

Just wondering...

Posted by: edvar
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Do you think competition for Rex was so fierce we had to make a bunch of promises? How about: we'll let you sign an NFL contract, Rex, and probably won't cut you, at least not before training camp.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wait, if the game ended on the first drive 35% of the time, then 65% of the time the other team had a chance to score and win. Does not seem too unfair.

but count me in the ranks with Nate.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

According to the Associated Press, the league's competition committee found that since 1994, teams that won the overtime coin toss won nearly 35 percent of the games on the first possession. More than 26 percent of time, those games were won via field goal on that opening drive of overtime.

Here is a quote from the post. As I read it closely, about 74% of the games won on the first possession(26% out of 35%) were won by field goals.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If it's good REx...I welcome him as a starter....

If it's BAd Rex...You might as well call him JAson Campbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM
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Good Rex got his team into the playoffs and the Super Bowl..
Bad Rex started the SB and threw 2 INTs..(although he was 20 for 28) one pick went for a TD.

A "Good JC" for 4 years, in games he Started, got us 4-21 in the NFC East and no playoffs.

I'll take a Bad Rex.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Sexy Rexy or Campbell? Whats the difference? At least we know Rex will take some chances and fire that ball in there. While Campbell stands there and waits for Sellers to checkdown out of the backfield for a 2 yrd gain.

Posted by: digger76 | March 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Generalized statements like this (and I'm not picking sides, here) are just stupid - especially on a sports blog.

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 3:48 PM


Ripping a (so-called) generalization with a generalization is even worse...

Where am I wrong...Call me out with facts then...

Ohhh.....You can't because My ish is factually correct!

On to the next one...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Do you think competition for Rex was so fierce we had to make a bunch of promises? How about: we'll let you sign an NFL contract, Rex, and probably won't cut you, at least not before training camp.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM |

I didn't think the competition was too hot for Grossman, but I did wonder if his agent asked. It would seem like a good thing to know before you sign.

I'm just trying to read the tea leaves here, but the instructions that came with the kit got wet and I can't figure it out...

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that. -- H.J. Simpson

Posted by: 4-12 | March 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Etrod and Closer44, are you intentionally messing up the stats to get our goat? "26% of games ended with an FG on the first drive" means exactly that. The 9% you are talking about is TDs on the FIRST drive of OT. That 26% of FIRST drives ended in a FG and 9% with a TD, says only that 65% did not end on the first drive, and we don't know how many of those ended with FGs or TDs. Ok?

Posted by: boozyb | March 18, 2010 3:50 PM
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Uh, no. Actually, I think what you wrote is what I was suggesting. I was responding to a post here. I don't know if Maese got the numbers wrong or if the poster read them wrong & was too lazy to jump back to a previous thread to check. Sorry if I added to the confusion and/or got anyone's goat.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I am trying to get all the people to either:

(a) Leave the Democratic party and start a new 3rd party

or

(b) have the magority of black people move over to the repulican party....

===============================================

I'm trying to bring the people together.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I've seen too many movies, flound.

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4th, your 3:33 PM is disturbing. You must be somewhat successful, and that's great and all, homie. Much props to that...

But its good to see that you've rolled though to keep your good standing with "corporate America". People of color with a little success usually have a tendency to say something similar to what you did. Their thought process is that it'll keep them in good standing.

It's okay, 4th. In the end you gotta look out for you and yours, cause that's all that really matters in this world -- the individual success.

"We paid", right, "boss"? So, fu_k 'em.

Yeah fu_k 'em indeed.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Ripping a (so-called) generalization with a generalization is even worse...

Where am I wrong...Call me out with facts then...

Ohhh.....You can't because My ish is factually correct!

On to the next one...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM

This just got even dumber...

4th - there were no facts in you statement to challenge, just an irresponsible opinion that cannot be validated.

It remains is a stupid statement.

Especially on a sports blog.

but whatever...

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Of course Rex will start good. Really no usable tape on him at this point.
I still think we are better off with JC17 and a strong O-Line.

Better the devil you know vs. the devil you dont

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 18, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think the competition was too hot for Grossman, but I did wonder if his agent asked. It would seem like a good thing to know before you sign.

I'm just trying to read the tea leaves here, but the instructions that came with the kit got wet and I can't figure it out...

Posted by: edvar
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I don't think it means anything. I've seen people arguing both ways--it means we will draft a QB and it means we won't. In my opinion, Grossman's clearly not a long-term answer and isn't even likely to beat out Campbell (if JC is still here).

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

A bad Rex and a good Jason are about the same to me! The only way we keep Jason is if shanny sees a GREAT Jason and a crappy Rex! Competition is awesome for us but crappy for Jason! May the best man win(hopefully not jc)!

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Wait, if the game ended on the first drive 35% of the time, then 65% of the time the other team had a chance to score and win. Does not seem too unfair.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM

Huh? A 35% advantage doesn't seem too unfair? Compared to what? In college football each team has an equal chance to win. That seems fair to me. And, much more exciting.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

wonder if Bruce even sniffed this guy? On the market as an UFA from a well coached OLine.
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The Browns have re-signed offensive lineman Billy Yates, an unrestricted free agent who spent 2009 in Cleveland, the team announced on Thursday afternoon.

Yates played for the Miami Dolphins in 2003 and for the New England Patriots from 2004 to 2008.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 18, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Red - What? I only speak straight talk....You saying I sold out? Have you seen the DEm Party lately? Actually...I am trying to bring some pride back to the community....

@Edvar - What?? "irresponsible opinion"?? So....I should censor myself? And no one else?

No. I know this is a Dem controled blog and all...but whateves.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"Wait, if the game ended on the first drive 35% of the time, then 65% of the time the other team had a chance to score and win. Does not seem too unfair.

Posted by: Curzon417"

You don't think that's unfair?

If you lose the coin toss, you only get a 65% chance at the CHANCE of scoring. You would need to score at a rate of 77% of your possessions just to even out the statistical disadvantage (65% chance you get a second possession x .77 rate of scoring success = 50.5% chance the game ends on the second possession).

And according to the original statistic, teams only score on an average of 35% of their first overtime possession. If you only score on 35% of your possessions, the chances you have of winning the game on the second possession is 22.75% (65% x .35).

35% vs. 22.75%. Again, it's a significant advantage.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Good Rex got his team into the playoffs and the Super Bowl..
Bad Rex started the SB and threw 2 INTs..(although he was 20 for 28) one pick went for a TD.

A "Good JC" for 4 years, in games he Started, got us 4-21 in the NFC East and no playoffs.

I'll take a Bad Rex.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 18, 2010 4:04 PM

Rex did not get the Bears to the super bowl. Defense, special teams, and Thomas Jones did. Rex sucked during the regular season, he sucked during the playoffs. The bears as a team got to the big game in spite of him. If he actually showed up in the super bowl they may have won. The funny thing is you hate JC so much that you make ridiculous arguments that have no factual basis. The way that Bears as a team picked up Rex that year has never been done here and that is probably why the skins are 4-21 when JC starts.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Of course Rex will start good. Really no usable tape on him at this point.
I still think we are better off with JC17 and a strong O-Line.

Better the devil you know vs. the devil you dont

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 18, 2010 4:14 PM

The devil that the Shanahans know is Grossman. But, I'd always go with the devil that does better in training camp.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

STARTER?

This idiot is not gonna even find the Park on his own, more or less get through IAD.

PLEASE- for the love of Pete.....realize that your a bum and your coming here is to collect a check.

This clown doesnt make it through June.

Can someone kick Colt in the A-- and tell him to get to work.

Jesus!

What the heck is going on here.

Posted by: pstate11 | March 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If it's good REx...I welcome him as a starter....

If it's BAd Rex...You might as well call him JAson Campbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

One of the dumbest posts yet......I'll let you stew on your stupidity.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If there is a 50-50 chance that something can go wrong, then 9 times out of ten it will.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

They want someone to help teach the system... enter Rex. Hes gonna come in and show jc the system! Or do they want him to help groom shanny's shiney new rookie qb and teach HIM the system? Only they know and they r not telling! Keep jc or draft qb? Im hoping they draft O-line with the first 2 picks!

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 18, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I was a history major. All this math talk is making my head hurt. Besides, 87.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If there is a 50-50 chance that something can go wrong, then 9 times out of ten it will.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM

This explains why no one ever wins a coin flip more than 10 percent of the time.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

JC hasn't had to compete for the position in the last two seasons. That's why he must go. The Skins can't get caught up in a politically correct situation at the QB position. Get rid of Campbell and you get rid of the problem.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

One of the dumbest posts yet......I'll let you stew on your stupidity.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM

One of the slowest retorts ever. I'll let you wallow in your own lethargy.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

A little early for April Fool's, isn't it Rexy?

Posted by: HTTR | March 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

JC hasn't had to compete for the position in the last two seasons. That's why he must go. The Skins can't get caught up in a politically correct situation at the QB position. Get rid of Campbell and you get rid of the problem.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 18, 2010
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Good grief. So we're going to play offense with 10 players?

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL
I'm amused by these people who say Grossman is better than Campbell. Grossman is a mediocre to lousy quarterback who played ok every now and again for very short stretches. Campbell hasn't set the world on fire, but his career numbers are still better than Grossman's, even though Campbell has played for a much more dysfunctional organization. Put Grossman in Danny Snyder’s traveling side show, and he’d probably be out of the league already. At least he had some stability in Chicago. Campbell’s had none. Grossman no more “led” the Bears to the Super Bowl than Dilfer “led” the Ravens. He was in the right place at the right time. That’s it. Other than that, I see zero reason to rate Grossman higher than Campbell.

Posted by: sonny2 | March 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

35% vs. 22.75%. Again, it's a significant advantage.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:19 PM

Both teams have the same chance to get the ball to start the overtime period. Then it's football. Stop the team if you don't want to lose.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

One of the dumbest posts yet......I'll let you stew on your stupidity.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM

Ok...How long do you suggest I stew for? Overnight @ 175?

If I'm wrong, I'd be willing to admit it...but there is enough tape on both of these guys to what's what......

For all the things you can knock Rex for, you can't knock him for taking his team with no receivers and 1 RB to the SB.

But you can then immedietly knock him for losing the SB......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

RIP Fess Parker, you were a below average actor who somehow got to play some classic roles.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 18, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa

Posted by: Skins__Stons | March 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is closer44 even talking about?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Both teams have the same chance to get the ball to start the overtime period.

Posted by: Curzon417"

This is true. It's the fact that no skill or ability is involved in that outcome that I have a problem with.

And it doesn't need to be that way.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

One of the slowest retorts ever. I'll let you wallow in your own lethargy.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

As you wallow in ignorance.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Murry State baby great shot what a finish.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

13 seed at the buzzer!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice call on Murray St. Flounder.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is closer44 even talking about?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 18, 2010
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If you're talking about my reply to "get rid of Campbell and get rid of the problem," then I suppose my point is that that is a pretty silly attitude. If getting rid of Campbell is even part of the equation, it's only half of it. The poster made no suggestions about who we should replace JC with. If he/she doesn't have an answer other than getting rid of Campbell, that leaves us with 10 players on offense. I was being sarcastic--and I take full blame for failing to get that across.

But I'm going to jump off this one, because, man, it has been done to death here.

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:38 PM

The "ability" to stop someone on defense doesn't come into play?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

SPIDERS - GAELS tied up at half-time.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Nice call on Murray St. Flounder.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM |

Thanks Curz,

I forget what expert I heard say that was a good possibility but I'm glad I listened.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The "ability" to stop someone on defense doesn't come into play?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 4:45 PM

Absolutely! And both teams should have an opportunity to prove their ability, not just one.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Sam Houston is giving Baylor all they can handle.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Just let the game end in a tie. Why is that so wrong? Both teams get .5 rather than 1 or -1. Big deal. You add everything up at the end of the season anyway to see who comes out on top of the division, etc. If the game ends in a tie then it ends in a tie. To me, that's more fair and more realistic than trying to force a different outcome dependent on a coin flip or some convoluted process to be sure both teams have a chance to score in overtime.

Posted by: sonny2 | March 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hicks = backup $3million/year
Lilja = starter $2.5million/year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hicks was a backup in Minny, but I wouldn't assume that he's going to be a backup here. He could very well be starting for us at RG (or maybe even RT). Minny's starting O-line was pretty durn good last year, so maybe their subs are decent, too.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sam Houston is giving Baylor all they can handle.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 4:49 PM

I have Baylor in the Championship game, so I NEED them to win this game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@Edvar - What?? "irresponsible opinion"?? So....I should censor myself? And no one else?

No. I know this is a Dem controled blog and all...but whateves.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 4:18 PM

Dude, I'm an independent, so I'm not taking sides on your statement. And if you remember the little dance Chia Pet and I did a few weeks back, you'd also know that I am strongly set against anyone who tries to censor someone else's opinion here.

I was just pointing out the rather obvious fact that your statement was an unsubstantial, irresponsible generalization on a political topic unrelated to Redskins and football. Sorry if calling it "stupid" was too vague for you.

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

sonny2-- and in the playoffs?

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

'The "ability" to stop someone on defense doesn't come into play?

Posted by: learnedhand1'

Only for one team. And that's my problem with it. Both teams should have to prove they can stop their opponents. To me, there's no logical reason why one team must get a stop/turnover to obtain possession while the other gets a possession via coin toss.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I have Baylor in the Championship game, so I NEED them to win this game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM |

I need them to win as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 18, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Both teams should have to prove they can stop their opponents.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:54 PM

They both had that opportunity for 60 minutes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell versus Rex Grossman.

pick'em:

Rex's career numbers

37 (games) 971 (att) 524 (comp) 6,197 (yards) 69% (rating)

Soup's career numbers
52 (games) 1,637 (att) 1,002 (comp) 10,860 (yards) 82% (rating)


So how is this even a decision for Shanny given Soup's better rating?: Jason Campbell, for all his strengths, has yet to show himself to be a winner.

No that Rexy is either.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely! And both teams should have an opportunity to prove their ability, not just one.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 4:48 PM

Well if team one stops team 2, then team 2 necessarily gets the chance to stop team 1.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"They both had that opportunity for 60 minutes.

Posted by: Curzon417"

And both teams failed. So it doesn't follow that one gets a free pass in OT while the other doesn't.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:54 PM

What Curzon said.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It was pretty dull up here, so I tossed out comments on the OL, politics and race.

Then I went out to lunch.

It was Indian food, for those who want to know.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I was just pointing out the rather obvious fact that your statement was an unsubstantial, irresponsible generalization on a political topic unrelated to Redskins and football. Sorry if calling it "stupid" was too vague for you.

Posted by: edvar | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM


The stupid part, I understand. Stupid is, as stupid does, which means I won't be stupid to take a low blow at you as your stupid a$$ did me....

**ATTENTION ATTENTION**

These March Madness post are irrelevant to the Redskins...stop posting here and post on the March MAdness Blog

**That is all**

What stupid person would have picked Notre Dame anyway? I would say me, but that would be inapproproate for me to answer on this blog........

(P.S. If you go look in a His-tory book, you would realize that there were many Black Republican Senators in the South back eons ago. Also, Lincoln was a republican. All facts. The CBC is mad @ Obama. fact. The Black media has been upset with Obama since he started campaigning. Fact. Blacks have been ignored/taken for granted by the Dems forever. Fact. Jason Campbell = Bad Rex on a Good Day...which really isn't good at all. Fact.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It was pretty dull up here, so I tossed out comments on the OL, politics and race.

Then I went out to lunch.

It was Indian food, for those who want to know.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse
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Buffalo steaks and maize?

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Well if team one stops team 2, then team 2 necessarily gets the chance to stop team 1.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 4:58 PM

And, otherwise, you deny team 2 that opportunity? Doesn't really seem fair to either team, does it?

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

And both teams failed. So it doesn't follow that one gets a free pass in OT while the other doesn't.

Posted by: psps23 | March 18, 2010 4:59 PM

Not necessarily. What they both failed to do was have the lead as time expired in regulation. No one gets a "pass." One team HAS to score and one team HAS to stop them from scoring and HAS the opportunity to score on D. How does one get a pass?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

To make it completely fair to both teams, all games tied at the end of regulation should be considered null and void and then replayed in their entirety on the following day.

[Note: I am not being serious]

Posted by: closer44 | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

For anyone hoping that a change in leadership would rescue the Skins, I have two pieces of very bad news for you:
1. Larry Johnson
2. Rex Grossman

I've been watching football for 35 years. Rex Grossman is the SINGLE WORST starting QB I have ever seen. I cannot figure out how he is even still in the league. He was just abominable in Chicago. And Larry Johnson is not only past his prime, but he's been arrested FOUR TIMES for beating women.

Who are the geniuses who picked up these guys?

Posted by: TripLBee | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It was pretty dull up here, so I tossed out comments on the OL, politics and race.

Then I went out to lunch.

It was Indian food, for those who want to know.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse
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Buffalo steaks and maize?

Posted by: closer44

Wouldn't that be Native American food?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Indian place I went to is run by people who used to run Aangan in Bethesda, until last year when they moved out to California. Needless to say, the owners were disappointed that they had no snow to shovel this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 18, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

This move I completely dont understand. Sexy Rexy, Jason "We gotta continue to fight" Campbell, and Colt "lil umbrella" Brennan. This has to be the worst quarterbacking in the NFC EAST. This is even worser than when we were starting Mark Brunnell. And one more thing, why haven't we given Colt a shot? No pun intended.

Posted by: slangstonjr | March 18, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How does one get a pass?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM

The deck is stacked in favor of the team that wins the coin toss. You'll know that it's fair when teams that win the coin flip choose -- 50% of the time -- to kick off. Right now they elect to receive 100% of the time. What does that tell you?

Teams could elect to kick off if, for example, the overtime kickoff was made from the receiving team's 15 yard line.

Posted by: League-Source | March 18, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

What's red and smells like blue paint?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 18, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 18, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: dcsween | March 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I know we're being cautious this free agency year, but to me, nothing could be more dangerous than Rex Grossman as your backup. He might just have to play...

Posted by: slangstonjr | March 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

4th you gotta make sure the shinny side is facing out on your tinfoil hat.

Posted by: mack1 | March 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW. what if he kept saying PRAISE ALLAH? Would you be disgusted then? I am sick of his and Kurt Warners continual reference to a "GOD" who many don't believe in anyway. Personally, I think it is all folklore anyway. These people who hear voices are Sczizophrenic anyway.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 18, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

When the Skins announced the hiring of Shanahan I had visions of aggressive exciting offensive football. I didn't imagine that I'd be watching Grossman handing off to Larry Johnson running behind Rabach and Mike Williams. Hooray Free Agency.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 18, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry haters no contest! Jason check down 3,600 yards with an f up line and midget reievers 20 tds with an idot coach, living in the past will start!!! No great white hope this time around! by the way where in the hell is colt?

Posted by: gwest1 | March 18, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Why do coordinators always bring with them second-rate players from previous teams?

As if they are going to magically metomorphasize into starter material.

Posted by: Steelblue1 | March 19, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

campbell is done.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | March 19, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

campbell is done.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | March 19, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Well Rex is certainly better than Campbell.. Sorry but I don't care how good the defense or running game is the QB has to be pretty good (and for that season Rex was except for a few games) to reach the Super Bowl.. Campbell hasn't even lead the Skins close to the playoffs.. only time they made it was because Canpbell got hurt and Collins got them there.. yeah Rex is better but I don't think Shanahan views him as his long term answer. Rex will be the backup.. maybe even start the season until Clausen is viewed as ready....

Posted by: sovine08 | March 19, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Giants, Eagles, Cowboys are licking their chops right now at the prospect of Rex GROSSman starting for the skins.... If it happens, the skins will be the 1st team to go 0 - for the division 2 years in a row.

Mike....this aint ELWAY you will be coaching....

Posted by: dc4life | March 19, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Giants, Eagles, Cowboys are licking their chops right now at the prospect of Rex GROSSman starting for the skins.... If it happens, the skins will be the 1st team to go 0 - for the division 2 years in a row.
Posted by: dc4life
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After going 6-0 vs the Redskins last year you'd figure they would prefer the Skins keep Campbell as the starter..

Posted by: sovine08 | March 19, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure I remember Rex sucking with Chicago. I think we beat them 9-6 with Brunell, after Ramsey got "yanked" (by his throat) and not allowed to return.

Opening day, I think. Rex is bad. And don't forget, it was Brunell who made Campbell look like a wild gun-slinger. Brunell used to "safely throw it away" on 3rd and 2, while scrambling toward the sideline, no less. And Gibbs LOVED that stuff.

As far as Campbell goes, we could do a lot worse, and have. If our line is as bad as last years, I'd LOVE to see anyone else there, just so I can say, "See?"

Nobody plays behind a line that bad with Quinton Ganther picking up blitzes. Nobody.

Tom Brady would have ruined his career on this team last year. It was Campbell's fault for not feigning injury, really. Nobody would have taken the abuse AND criticism. And nobody was allowed to say, "Hey, our line is a joke." "We have the worst line in the league...maybe in the HISTORY of the NFL."

Posted by: Thinker_ | March 20, 2010 4:37 AM | Report abuse

Rex thinks he could be the starter. Rex you're a white and JC is a black dude. In the politically correct atmosphere that surrounds the Redskin organization for the last three years, you don't stand a chance of being the starter. Coach Zorn was afraid to bench JC because of the PC factor. What else could it have been?

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 21, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman is the answer at quarterback he's got the deep ball to die for baby!!!! I officially approve of the Shanahan signing now that we have the gunslinger aboard. All hail Rex Grossman the savior of the Washington Redskins!!!! Grossman loads up GOING DEEEEP TO MOSS TOUCHDOWN! TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!

Posted by: jonny5wide | March 21, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bah, Campbell is still young ... he's not done. Grossman isn't athletic enough to beat out Campbell. I sincerely doubt that any of the three including Tebow is as athletic.

Its more about they system they install as it truly always has been. Looks like things are being run that way ... imagine both Allen and Shannahan agree that they should take the best talent available with that 4th pick (or whatever pick they end up should they trade down) and since the draft is chock full of talent a offensive tackle. Plus there are those safeties ...

Posted by: periculum | March 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

And I thought they were going to crack down on drugs,Well back to square one.

Posted by: southportwave | March 21, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And I thought they were going to crack down on drugs,Well back to square one.

Posted by: southportwave | March 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

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