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Friday Afternoon H-Back


Let's begin at the end, shall we? Very different feel to the final few offensive drives Thursday, eh, with Todd Collins at the helm?

It was clear the approach was different with a fourth quarter lead with Collins behind center. The Redskins were more aggressive and played to win, rather than trying to milk a lead not to lose. To me, they should have been giving Jason the same chances - rather than sticking with an inept running game against Buffalo and blowing it, again - but Saunders and Collins have been together a long time, and Gibbs - who is clearly more comfortable with older QBs - was gushing about him after the game.

"I've been with Todd for a long time," Saunders said after the game in a quote that was cut from my game story. "And it's like anything else: When you have a lot confidence and know what they can do, you have a tendency to do things a little differently."

On the final two drives in the game, clinging to a 14-10 lead, the Redskins threw the ball 12 times and ran it just seven times. Again, the poor running game had something to do with this, but Portis has been averaging about 2 yards per carry for a month now, so nothing new there. Contrast that to Sunday against Buffalo, when the Redskins led 9-2 at the half and ran the ball 15 times (for a paltry 34 yards) while throwing it just 14 times. Trust me, the players were overjoyed at this development, everyone from defensive players to offensive linemen.

Collins deserves major judos for playing perfect football (144 rating) and this was by far the best outing of his career (his previous best rating for a game in which he attempted at least 11 passes was 101.3, back in 2007. Now, whether he can keep this up against better defenses on a regular basis will be the big question. Next Sunday will be his first start since Dec. 14, 1997, all 32 teams in the NFL were content to let him remain a backup for a long, long time. That also provides a unique motivation as well for the QB, and no doubt Al Saunders's rep is riding on this as well (he was shaping up to be a bit of a fall guy around here, and I found myself wondering about his long-term future in Washington. But if his boy can rally them to a strong finish, then it would work strongly in Saunders's favor, because most in Redskins Park believe that if it was up to Al Todd Collins would have been his starter here since Day One.

Now, if the offensive line continues is horrid play in the second half of the season - letting the passers get pounded and opening up few holes - and the running game remains this poor, then Tom Brady will have a hard time doing much in this offense. There are problems at tackle and guard, and Randy Thomas's return was shortlived, though he hopes to be back for the Giants game. He was playing with essentially one arm Thursday, though. Campbell had been getting hit repeatedly in the blindside - tackle Chris Samuels whiffed on the hit to Jason's knees Thursday - and as a unit they look slow and fatigued.

Portis isn't hitting holes the way he once did, either, and aside from a two-game outburst at midseason he has been among the least productive backs in the NFL. On the season Portis is averaging just 3.7 yards per carry - a half yard below even the NFL average - and by far the worst of his career. He has just one run over 20 yards all season - in 255 carries, only three men had rushed more times than him entering Week 14. Portis ran 66 times for 333 in two weeks, carrying a heavy load against the Jets and Eagles in games the Redskins split. In four games since he has rushed 74 times for just 190 yards, a staggering 2.6 yards per carry. Portis has just one carry over 10 yards in the past four games. In three of those four games he does not have a rush over seven yards.

Those who read the H-Back in its many forums (Monday Morning/Sunday Night/Friday Afternoon) know that I have been calling for a expanded role for Betts for a long time. Still can't figure this one out.

As for the defense, well, the secondary is a mess with all the injuries and hobbled starters, but they held together to make a huge red-zone stand late in the game. The bend-don't-break philosophy has kept the Redskins in games and kept the season alive. They have allowed just two touchdowns in the past three games, and one was on a very short field after the offense turned the ball over against Tampa Bay. Washington's offense, meantime, has scored just 11 touchdowns in the past seven games.

Gregg Williams was more aggressive than we've seen him all season, bringing lots of heat from safety Reed Doughty and the linebackers. It rattled Chicago's offensive line and resulted in one QB being knocked from the game, and Griese operating under duress a lot of the time. Lots of balls knocked down at the line, too.

There will, however, be big issues in the defensive backfield to overcome. Losing Sean and Carlos Rogers and now having Springs - who had to beg his way onto the field with a back injury that kept him from walking normally all week - and Smoot (hamstring) playing while beat up does not bode well. The Bears used Devin Hester to attack the secondary with 8-to-10 yard patterns with him spilt wade. Young DBs John Eubanks, Leigh Torrence and Doughty all had their struggles - Eubanks in particular - and several veterans I spoke to today are already bracing from an all-out passing barrage from the Giants and BBM in their next game.

Williams will likely have to continue to use LaRon Landry very deep in a prevent role at free safety, and the rookie most curb the over-aggressive penalties.

Random Ramblings: Not sure what you guys think, but in those conditions, at home, moving the ball early, I thought Gibbs should have gone for it on fourth-and-short on that first-quarter drive rather than try the 47-yard field goal. Not surprised in the least that he kicked, but thought he could have made a statement there ... Nice job by Kedric Golston blocking that field goal ... Great work avoiding Hester in the return game for the most part, and Frost got it done in the punt game for the most part, too ... Springs had his first two-pick game since 2004. Both were huge, and I thought swayed the game at a pivotal moment ... MLB London Fletcher had his best game in a few weeks and was all over the place, picking up 12 tackles (9 solo).

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 7, 2007; 12:27 PM ET
 
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COLLINS IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS SYSTEM AND IT MAY NOT BE A BAD THING TO HAVE HIM DOWN THE STRETCH; JASON WAS STRUGGLING.

CHEERS REED DOUGHTY; YOU PLAYED A HELL OF A GAME.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It was nice to not have that sinking feeling in my gut at the end. I did expect Collins to throw an interception and was gratefully rewarded with the touchdown. I wish Jason and the rest of our guys the best of health and rest over the next ten days. They all deserve a rest!

Posted by: Annie-Jazzy | December 7, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Nice to win. 10 days off allows for some real healing, physical and emotional.

And I am glad Al Saunders listened to me on this blog ... about throwing to the backs in patterns. Got you a couple TDs, Al. Shoulda been listening to me all along. Hard to believe I don't get paid for this ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. I thought BBM was Big Brother Manning (ie. Peyton), and Eli was LBM. Do I have it wrong?

Posted by: apfellysnoofle | December 7, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Poop

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 7, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it but there's a reason TC looked so good last night...preparation. He knew where to go with the ball, and the TEMPO was good for the 1st time this year.

All this to say that...JC is an average quarterback. He COULD be a good quarterback and that is saying something here in DC. But JC has had 2 solid years to learn al's offense...and the tempo and understanding are not there. Much is said for the coordinators that he's had in his career...BUT, what that means is the coordinators have had to come in "box fresh" just like JC and have had to DUMB DOWN offenses for HIM.

JUST LOOK AT THE FILM...what an offense last night, nothing spectacular, but it worked. Due to preparation by TC.

JUST LISTEN TO MANY OF THE COMMENTS, on this blog. IE "where did this offense come from," Why can't we run this offense with JC, Why can't al call plays like that for JC....

TC is not a good quarterback, and neither is VT, but they prepare...and you have to know what to do with the ball despite the opposing 11 in this game.

THERE IS AND WAS A REASON THAT AL DIDN'T CALL THE SAME PLAYS FOR JC AS HE DID FOR TC LAST NIGHT....he couldn't.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I have to be honest here, I did not mind L2's late blow down near the goal line. Despite the penalty and what may be a fine from the league, I think it acts as a deterrent. And, he did not lead with his head or go after the receiver's head. Despite being late, it seemed to be a clean hit.

Maybe he wants to amp up the intimidation factor. Hey, it worked for 21.

Posted by: mile.high | December 7, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

dbuss, JC has been in this offense for a fraction of the time that Collins has been, which is why Collins was so much better.

Not sure you can pin anything on Portis, when he's running for his life behind this line. They're just awful. I know I sound like a broken record, but they just suck so bad.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

That's 2 blocked field goals for Golston this season - glad to see him still putting in the effort even after losing his starting job.

Posted by: david | December 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

ok, here we go again with the "expanded role for betts" cries. betts can not pass protect and he has less explosion at the point of attack than even an injured portis does. portis starts because he deserves to. i watched his runs and on the majority of the hand-offs last night, he had to break 2 or 3 tackles to get back to the line. the o-line play has been atrocious. the bears front 4 was constantly in the backfield. even arch deluxe made a stop for a loss. he was in the backfield as portis took his first step after that hand off. you can't blame that on the running back. the only issue i saw on a couple of portis carries where where there was a crease to cut back and he had 2 hands on the ball and it caused him to lose balance and go down. and betts could never have improvised the way portis did on the 50+ yard screen down to the 1.

Posted by: gregskins | December 7, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'll give Collins his judos, too. But it's tough to make any real useful comparisons based on a half of one game.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Collins deserves major judos for playing perfect football"


Wait. Wouldn't you reserve major judos for a guy who stinks it up and deserves a beatdown? :)

Example: "Bill Belichek deserves major judos for being a dirty cheater."

Typos are funny.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Like JLC, I am also pleased that Collins finally earn some judos. (Who needs kudos anyway, when you can have judos?)

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | December 7, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

dbussjd that's plain bullsh*t.
But its clear to me that the problem lies with the coaching staff. Look at the plays they called for Brunell last year. I think Saunders has his favorites (naturally) and he clearly doesn't trust JC enough to open up the offense.

Todd did a great job last night and the other offensive players finally showed some life.
Conservative play calling does not win games (as the last 4 weeks have proven) and if JC can get the benefit of Al's trust maybe we can see similar results from him.
Now the turnovers are to be expected and not excepted from JC but its his first year starting.

Posted by: priceisright | December 7, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I love the Landry late hit. That was a message for T.O.. T.O. was afraid of the #21, now he has to think about #30

Posted by: markjd | December 7, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the plays called last night for TC were any different from plays called for JC all year.

The difference is TC executed with precision, and he has a VERY quick release, so he wasn't bothered by the pass rush.

JC grew up this year, and he'll continue to grow and I think he'll be very good QB for the Redskins.

However, I think having a veteran like TC for this three-game stretch is going to help the Redskins' chances.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think it is ridiculous to think Todd Collins gives us a better chance to win than JC. TC has been with saunders for years, he know the system well, and the Bears werent prepared for TC. I think we are in real trouble v the Giants if we dont have good news about JC today. Jc makes moves with his feet to keep plays alive, and against the best pass rush team in the league, TC is a sitting Duck. Its gonna be ugly.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | December 7, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

CP is slowing down. Is it me or does he just fall to the ground half the time. He isn't explosive at all. D-Linemen were catching him on that screen. He is warn out.

Posted by: relishfilms | December 7, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

For the issue of Portis/Betts, I agree with Gregskins that the fault lies more with the OLine than the back. Betts would not be able to hit the holes any faster, and they do close up quick. If the Redskins feel they have to make a change to get the running game started, they might consider bringing up Marcus Mason for his quickness.

There are a lot of minor injuries that the team has to deal with. It wasn't mentioned that the team now has 10 days until their next game. In that time, Springs, Smoot, Randel El, Moss and everybody else should be 100%. t's almost like a bye week.

Posted by: midniterc | December 7, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The man's kneecap was dislocated; no way he plays against New York.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I love the Landry late hit. That was a message for T.O.. T.O. was afraid of the #21, now he has to think about #30

Posted by: markjd | December 7, 2007 01:06 PM

It was a cheap shot. Those kind of plays will cost this team dearly over time.

Great defensive players do not need to make late hits to send messages. They hit hard and play within the rules.

Posted by: gdennie | December 7, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

TB, Dallas and even Buffalo had better defenses than the banged up Bears. But a 144 QB rating is special against anyone.

I do wonder about Saunders though. If he wants Collins to succeed, is he really giving Jason his best also? This felt like one of the few games where the Skins played to win. The comments Jason alluded to, that Saunders prefers Collins to Campbell, is pause for concern.

I think Campbell needs to be in the booth with Saunders the next few games and they need to develop their own chemistry. And Jason gets to learn a bunch from that perspective.

As for Collins, the Giants defense with Strahan and company is a bunch better than the depleted Bears defense. I'd love to see a 144 QB rating again, but I'm more hoping he doesn't do an AJ Feeley ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for certain, if Gibbs goes for it on 4th down and it does not work, he is criticized (he did this last week and it did not work) or if he does not go for it, he is criticized - especially if the kick is not good. Give it a break.

Posted by: Lisa | December 7, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. Not one comment about where this team woulda been last night, after the last 11 days of trauma, without Gibbs. Not one plaudit for gibbs in a win, but anything goes wrong, its all his fault. Very interesting.

Posted by: forces | December 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Ronnie Lott always played within the rules?

The Lott I watched was flagged for late hits several times in his career, as was Mel Blount, Cliff Harris and currently, Rodney Harrison.

If Landry wants to emulate those players, that's fine by me.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

z, are you accusing Saunders of sabotage?
With his job on the line?

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Saunders loves Collins. Clearly, Gibbs should have listened to him last year when he told him Todd was a better option than Brunell, who wasn't capable of beating the Cover 2 because the only accurate throw he could make was to the flats.

Saunders also loves Betts. Maybe Gibbs should listen to Al this time and at least give Ladell more carries -- it can't hurt on rushing plays. What's he gonna do, rush for less than two yards a carry?

Posted by: klong105 | December 7, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was going to give Gibbs plaudits, but I was informed we had to give judos instead.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

In Jasno's defense kudos do taste like crap so I'd rather get judos...whatever those may be

Posted by: david | December 7, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the RBs, I've thought for a long time that a good back shouldn't be the featured back every game.

Maybe play 12-13 games that way, but 3-4 times go with the backup. Backs need carries to get into a groove, and so it never made sense to me split the carries.

But they get so beat up, and having a few weeks during the year where they get to recover with a lighter day, seems like it could benefit the team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I disagree. As my buddy put it this morning, Suisham was attempting to kick a medicine ball on that 48 yarder. The odds were better to go for it, but Gibby is like Rainman and only flies Quantas and drives on country roads.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad Fred Smoot wasn't injured as I first thought. He apparently had cramps and puked.

Eubanks cannot cover a bed with a blanket, and the idea of him starting at corner against the Giants, Vikes and Boys would be scary.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Great defensive players do not need to make late hits to send messages. They hit hard and play within the rules.

Posted by: gdennie | December 7, 2007 01:14 PM

Nonsense. All great safeties take a few cheap shots to send a message and establish a reputation. It's the nature of the position.

Take it too far, though, and you end up like Mark Carrier -- fined out of the league.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 7, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

relishfilms, I disagree. You could take Adrian Peterson, stick him behind this line, and he'd be no more successful than what we have now. When you're making 2-3 moves just to get back to the LOS, you've lost any chance of making positive gains.

The offensive line is in shambles. I don't know if Samuels is hurt, or what but someone needs to call him out to play better.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21.

Heck, let's just take your logic and apply it to the entire defense. Once a quarter or so, we just late hit a RB after the whistle to 'send a message'. Drill the opposing QB once a half...

Makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: gdennie | December 7, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

daggar, not suggesting Saunders is sabotaging Campbell, but people do end to play to their preferences. And it seems Saunders has his.

Which is why I think JC should be in the booth with Saunders. They need to develop chemistry and JC needs to learn.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm puzzled why everyone gets so defensive about Jason Campbell and how Collins looked better running the offense last night - which he did.

Collins looked fine in the pocket; he might have stepped up on a couple of plays, but he dealt with the pass rush (and there WAS a pass rush and Chicago are fast) pretty well.

Everyone in the NFL knows Collins isn't a good mover, they don't need film for that, so they rushed early and often, but he beat the rush with his much quicker reads.

Jason can't do that yet and may not be able to do it naturally ever. He's a good runner, so instinctively he starts moving to avoid the rush rather than taking just a step or two and then making the pass. Collins can't do that, he has only 'pass' or 'get sacked' as available options, so he'd better pass!

It doesn't mean Collins is a better quarterback than Jason, it just means that - at least at this point - he's probably a better quarterback for the offense you run.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

gdennie,

You're projecting, because I never said that or inferred it.

What I DID do was knock down your "within the rules" philosophy as it applies to "great players."

Blount, Lott, Harris, Harrison ar al great players, and they all put on late hits now and then.

Landry is entitled to a few himself.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
What's with all you B-More guy's calling everyone boy?

"But if his boy can rally them to a strong finish, then it would work strongly in Saunders's favor"

That's it for you, Roger the "God Father" Goddell will be calling....

Posted by: bob_ward2770 | December 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Great defensive players do not need to make late hits to send messages. They hit hard and play within the rules.

Posted by: gdennie | December 7, 2007 01:14 PM

Dude, it isn't either-or. Imagine you're a great wide receiver. Who do you fear more: a great safety who plays within the rules and always stops when the whistle blows or a great safety with an attitude who, every now and then, will take your head off after the whistle, just for the hell of it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And those automatic first downs for late hits send a message to the other 10 players on your side of the ball as well.

Posted by: driley | December 7, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

thank you redcoat for helping me with my point. TC is not a better quarterback than JC, he just prepares better...and it showed!

would this be washington without a QB controversy?

and history lesson for all of those mature posters that use * in place of swearing...Gibbs has and always WILL prefer a more mature QB. This is nothing new.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

z, are you accusing Saunders of sabotage?

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 01:18 PM


And now I will have Beastie Boys stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

z - we kid because we love...

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

JC in the booth? Maybe a Christmas card to al would help more. Here is another chance to STUDY the playbook while he's out...AGAIN.

because he's obviously not getting any better getting %100 of the snaps at practice.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

could be worse... Barry Manilow lives!

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Who wins in this tag team match?

Gibbs/Boonell vs. Saunders/Collins

Poor JC is left out in the cold.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The NFL unsportsmanlike penalty is super-subjective anyway, and depends on who's officiating the game.

Remember London Fletcher getting an unsportsmanlike penalty earlier this year for "taunting" when it seemed all he was doing was celebrating a three and out?

Then, last Monday night, on national TV, the nation watched Rodney Harrison jawing at/taunting Brian Billick (Billick made mock kissing faces back at Harrison) after a play in the 4th quarter, and NO penalty was called.

It all depends on who the refs are.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

dbuss, dude, its not that TC is more prepared than JC. How would that happen, considering that for this ENTIRE year, JC has taken all of the first team snaps?? TC has been in this system for YEARS more than JC has, which has given him much more insight into how this offense runs.

Just for kicks, how would TC have gotten more prepared this week, going into the game as the back up qb?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was going to give Gibbs plaudits, but I was informed we had to give judos instead.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 01:20 PM

This post was brilliant, because he didn't just misspell words -- he spelled other words (unlike daggar which doesn't spell anything, I think). Judos were good, but how to you think Wade felt when they "spilt wade"? No wonder he didn't play.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

All of the redskins fans waiting for the second coming of Doug Williams for obvious reasons...Don't worry. We've invested WAY to much in JC to ever contemplate letting him go, or he not regaining his starting position next year! We'll probably even end up cutting Collins and Brunnell...just so that certain fans and media outlets cannot create a McNabb versus Limbaugh situation.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

*dbuss, dude, its not that TC is more prepared than JC. TC has been in this system for YEARS more than JC has, which has given him much more insight into how this offense runs.*

greg how is that not being more prepared? Did you notice the tempo of the offense being much different with TC? And also, did you notice the speed at which collins looked off covered receivers AND made the throw to check-off last night?

Preparation...you said it yourself.

Now, I do believe that TC for the majority of the time will be the one that we saw in the first series. I got my JD from UM and saw him at Michigan every saturday.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I think prepared is a poor choice of wording. Experienced would better help your point.

TC has more experience in this system. No one could doubt that.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm just an interested bystander on all of this, but here goes anyway. Does anyone now think that the "Jason can't complete his passes because he doesn't get any practice with the receivers" argument is sustainable any longer?

Collins doesn't practice with them either because he almost never takes snaps with any of the first team but it didn't stop him being effective.

By the way, I'd like to go on record as stating that I think Jason Campbell has the ability to be the Redskins' franchise QB for many years - but I don't think he's close yet, and I'm not sure that he's getting the coaching he needs to make it for you either. If I were the Skins, I'd invest in a top-notch QB coach for Jason as he's worth the investment. I have no idea who that might be, but there must be an NFL equivalent of David Leadbetter?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

te, a spellchecker is cheap, easy, and often hilarious. All this proves is that LaToucanfora 2.0 is in fact an upgrade, not just a bug fix.
And "spilt wade" is much much better than "split wade", which is probably a season-ending injury.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

re TC's preparation

if you go to redskins.com and watch their locker room interview video, Gibbs was gushing about how every week TC is always totally prepared for the game, knows every call and every play. Gibbs was (still is I bet) very impressed with TC.

Posted by: hankkuo | December 7, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

All I am going to write is the CP is still good.

CP is still good.
CP is still good.
CP is still good.
CP is still good.
CP is still good.

(Holy CARP to people not know S H E E T up in here)

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ay, Chihuahua, we're arguing about word choice? Next thing you know, we'll be talking about spelling...

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

well said greg. I used and maintain that the use is of the word prepared is more accurate than experienced because...TC only had 8 passing attempts in the last 10 years.

So you'd then being saying if we maintain the word experienced that JC is MORE experienced than TC...

So I say prepared. He looked and played as if he was more prepared to succeed than JC has ever looked.

I say that is a VERY bad thing.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

JC was 10/16 100 yards

Collens did have a fumble.

Just saying.

JC is OK/Good and getting better. People who can not see the progresion in the 3 segments of his Redskins career as starting QB have a shore memory. And don't know Sheet.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So after Hot Toddy performance, can you guys finally cast aside Mark Brunell at the end of this season?

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, you said it well. Does anyone seriously think Collins is going to pull out a 144 QB rating every week? Collins does get how to play the game, and it was a very smart, savvy performance. He deserves every judo he gets.

As for Campbell, he is where he is. He was playing well last night, as he has often this year. ARE missed the first play by not turning around and that could have been a big play and, instead the drive ended. The next drive featured two Portis 'no gains' surrounded by an 8 yard completion. Third drive was the 1st missed FG. The next drive included a conversion on 3rd and 16 and also resulted in a missed FG. Campbell actually completed the pass that he got hurt on.

Against Dallas, Cooley dropped a ball around the 5 yard line just before he threw the INT. Campbell clearly has had some growing pains, but the big question at the start of 2007 was about seeing if Campbell could play at this level. The answer is yes. Clearly yes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Give Betts the ball more???? He can't pass block like Portis, guaranteed! Did you see some of the blocks Portis had? Plus, that line is god awful! Portis still ran hard and was getting 3 or 4 yards in the second half that was helping to managable 2nd and 3rd downs! All i'm saying is that you can't expect much from Portis with that line! I do agree that Gibbs should have went for it on that first 4th and 2. Chicago wasn't moving the ball and our kicker is HORRIBLE!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 7, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Would someone repost the wikik link from last week so Jasno can get the BBM label correct? BBM=Peyton

Posted by: NCICURN | December 7, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So after Hot Toddy performance, can you guys finally cast aside Mark Brunell at the end of this season?

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 01:59 PM

I don't know. Might be a big cap hit. Every year we've made the cap work by restructuring Brunnell. What deal have we made with the devil?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad they got a win, especially after all that has happened recently.

But I think over the next three games, the greater worry isn't who the starting QB will be but when/if the running game will show up.

Because if the Redskins can't run the ball better then they have against Buffalo and Chicago, I can't see them winning three straight.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Mul, if you'd like...we can mention the ratio of fumbles per start for JC this season! :)

Id love for you to defend the JC is OK to Good comment, for those of us who and I quote." don't know sheet." In regards to the "progression in the 3 segments of is Redskins career as starting QB.

pal, you've backed yourself into a corner on this one.

Posted by: dbussjd | December 7, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

D-Linemen were catching him on that screen. He is warn out.

I watch the run on nfl.com. It's call waiting and following your blockers. That run showed he hasn't lost anything. The O line just suck and we need to face it and the coaches need to do more screen or something to get him in open field. When Lott played the rules were more towards the D player now they are not. I didn't see the hit but from what most have posted I have no problem with it.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Steve Young said that, as his career progressed, what happened on the field 'slowed down'. Because he saw things and interpreted them so much faster.

That is exactly how Collins looked last night. Campbell is still learning the game and it has a more hectic feel. Collins looked calm as can be, because he knew what was going on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

t-e,

Brunnell needs to be gone. Campbell's your starter, Collins is your backup, some young kid you want to take a flier on is #3 (Casey ? from the World League would have been perfect).

Brunnell's $$$s could be used so many other places (like for OLs). Time to part ways.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Casey ? = Casey Bramlett

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see the hit but from what most have posted I have no problem with it.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2007 02:04 PM

jm--It was flat-out late, and he'll probably get fined. Gryant Bumble and Chris Collingswood were righteously indignant, which made me think Landry had probably done the right thing. It reminded me of the first two years of another great Redskins safety, particularly when he laid out TO for no other reason than being ugly and being in the wrong place.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

CP is slowing down. Is it me or does he just fall to the ground half the time. He isn't explosive at all. D-Linemen were catching him on that screen. He is warn out.

What game was this guy watching?? he slowed down to allow Samules to get out in front so he wouldn't be running into 3 db's alone. On top of that the d linemen still didn't catch him. Samuels hauled serious tail for being 300+

CP Holler at ya boy.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

You can have Cleo Lemon from us as your #3 if you like, but personally I think he's more of a whole heap of #2.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Would someone repost the wikik link from last week so Jasno can get the BBM label correct? BBM=Peyton"

LBM, BBM, HOFM, FOM (Father of Manning(s) aka. Archie Manning), who cares?

I hate all things Manning :)

Just working up the lather pre-Gints game,

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Brunell will give us over $3M in cap space when he retires this offseason.

Ask Carolina if taking a flier on a rookie 3rd stringer is such a savvy move.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Collins fumbled last night did he not?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

You're right. But, not Casey. He had a shot and couldn't stick here and only made it to the practice squad in Atlanta. Just passin' through like Gibran Hamdan. The one they let go too soon was Sage Rosencranz.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Startlingly, Receiver, The will cost us $3M in 2008 cap space when he is cut.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins should have been our starter since 2006. He won the game for us, period.
Amazing what happens when a cerebral QB is in the game.

The problem with this team is that Gibbs is in charge of personnel. He stuck with his loser church boy Brunell for over two and a half seasons all the while fumbling and rag arming his way through what Gibbs called "supersmart courageous games." That dude was washed up when he was in Jax. Now he's still letting washed up Portis play.

It's high time to clean house at Redskin Park and dump all these overpaid chumps like CP, Moss, ARE, Samuels, Jansen, Thomas, Griffin, Daniels, Washington, Fletcher, and too long a list to finish. Then start a youth movement.

Come to think of it, maybe JC should be traded for a player to be named later as he's now been shown to be a complete choke artist stiff.

And by the way, Samuels best days are behind him. JC would still have a useable patella today if not for his incompetency.

Posted by: X_1967 | December 7, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You can have Cleo Lemon from us as your #3 if you like, but personally I think he's more of a whole heap of #2.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 02:10 PM

'Coat, LMAO

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

On the Portis screen did you guys see the replay where they showed Sellers' illegal block in the back that sprung Portis? Collinsworth said "Sellers even put his head in his hands as he waited for the flag", but it never came.

I'm a firm believer that this stuff evens out over the season, but maybe JJG wants to "send that one to the NFL"? :)

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Long time reader first time poster... I still don't understand why we kept Boonell this year.. We should have kept Casey (world league) or Palmers little Bro. It was obvious to anyone that watched the pre-season Collins was going to be our backup and Boonell was riding the pine

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Talk about your net-net!

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I noticed since Clinton Portis'2nd carry as a Redskin (his first was an untouched TD for big yards) that he often "falls down" when shooting gaps. Like he tries to get so low and so lateral that just falls over. I think that's why that play where he grabbed onto Seller's belt was so sweet... You know he would have fallen down had he not hopped a ride on the #45 Express.

I am not a CP basher. I love his pass blocking and his "leave it on the field" mentality. I didn't watch much of Denver or Hurricane CP so I don't know what it was like... but that has been my silent complaint/observation over the past few years. I was a huge Champ Bailey fan so the trade was a bitter one for me.

I'm still not totally sold on Betts as a featured back. I think we should have kept TJ Ducket and let Betts find a starting job somewhere else.

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mul, if you'd like...we can mention the ratio of fumbles per start for JC this season! :)

Id love for you to defend the JC is OK to Good comment, for those of us who and I quote." don't know sheet." In regards to the "progression in the 3 segments of is Redskins career as starting QB.

pal, you've backed yourself into a corner on this one.


dbussjd

OK his first starts last year did not throw until after the brakes of the Wide Outs. Very slow motion.

First 7 games 2007. Short passing game off and lots of confusion. See Giants game. Faster motion and better reads ( not perfect).

Last games. Good between the 20s. Still chokes but game was much improved. See hurry game.

Yes he fumbles more. Yes could make better reads.

77 rating behind a horrible O line with 2-4 Wide outs hurt or injured each game for the most part. Running game not good either.

TC would not have lasted until week 14 but can be effective.

JC is getting better at a good pace.

Look at the throw he made vs the Bills rolling to his right and down an low to Moss. TC just can make the throw.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes Greg, Collins got stripped on almost his first play. The guy got around Samuels and Collins plainly didn't see where the ball went when he knocked it out. It was quite comical as the game was obviously "not slowing down" for Collins on that one!

But then they did say later that his first TD pass was his first this century!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

So shocked RickyBobby disagreed with me...shocked!

Truth be told, if Gibbs kicked a 56 yard field goal HIMSELF or ran in for a TD...RickyBobby would say he was the problem.

Posted by: Lisa | December 7, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We should have kept Casey (world league) or Palmers little Bro.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 02:13 PM

These guys didn't show the coaches anything, especially little Bro. If Collins goes down (and if recent history is any guide...) you will be much happier with Brunnell in there than either of these two.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 7, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Any word on JC MRI?

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

To anyone that thinks Portis hasn't lost a step STOP KIDDING YOURSELF maybe you have forgotten some of the incredible moves he ONCE had... Don't get me wrong he is one of the best blocking backs in the league but is that what you want out of your featured back?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the plays called last night for TC were any different from plays called for JC all year.

The difference is TC executed with precision, and he has a VERY quick release, so he wasn't bothered by the pass rush.

JC grew up this year, and he'll continue to grow and I think he'll be very good QB for the Redskins.

However, I think having a veteran like TC for this three-game stretch is going to help the Redskins' chances.
_______________________________

Exactly. If Saunders was adjusting for TC, how come the receivers were all in the exact right places every time? How did THEY suddenly adjust?

I noticed that the ball was thrown precisely and NOT TOO HARD.

Another thing: The rest of the offense responded to Collins SEAMLESSLY. I think it's possible they still don't understand what JC is saying in the huddle ("Balco"), and that is why there seems to be so much confusion under pressure. I think this may illustrate how the sidelines coaches have been adjusting to JC about all season.

Interesting.

Posted by: Xlnt | December 7, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Portis is still da man.
Portis is still da man.
Portis is still da man.
Portis is still da man.

What has betts lost this year after going for 1,000 years and 5 years per touch.

Nothing?

Portis is a little slower but much stronger then 4 years ago.

Posted by: mul | December 7, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where we could get the pre season stats passer rating etc.? I remember watching Collins play pretty well and I know I know it was against second team guys.. but hey you still has to make the passes

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins should have been our starter since 2006. He won the game for us, period.
Amazing what happens when a cerebral QB is in the game.

The problem with this team is that Gibbs is in charge of personnel. He stuck with his loser church boy Brunell for over two and a half seasons all the while fumbling and rag arming his way through what Gibbs called "supersmart courageous games." That dude was washed up when he was in Jax. Now he's still letting washed up Portis play.

It's high time to clean house at Redskin Park and dump all these overpaid chumps like CP, Moss, ARE, Samuels, Jansen, Thomas, Griffin, Daniels, Washington, Fletcher, and too long a list to finish. Then start a youth movement.

Come to think of it, maybe JC should be traded for a player to be named later as he's now been shown to be a complete choke artist stiff.

And by the way, Samuels best days are behind him. JC would still have a useable patella today if not for his incompetency.


Posted by: X_1967 | December 7, 2007 02:12 PM


This has to be the stupidest shat i have ever read. Fletcher is the only one on the team that makes plays. He is a top 3 middle linebacker playing right now.

Maybe we could just realease the whole team in one move and sign a pop warner team. Would that be young enough????

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

CP, Moss, ARE, Samuels, Jansen, Thomas, Griffin, Daniels, Washington, Fletcher, and too long a list to finish. Then start a youth movement.


Keep going X, you seem to have stumbled onto something.

Play 2008 with a new, RB, WR, WR, LT, RT, RG, DT, DE, LB, LB. Wow you're an idiot.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

There is nooo way i would ever be happy seeing Boonell trott back on the field! I was disgusted by the fact the Gibbs would not pull the plug on him because of their "personal" relationship

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88, this x guy has to be the stupidest person to ever post.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

t-e

A combo of salary cap issues and glaring holes that need to be addressed in the Skins roster don't permit spending 3m on a 3rd string qb.

I'm ditching Brunello at the end of this year. Assuming a healthy JC in 2008, both JC and Todd Collins would need to go down to get to Brunello. Yes, that's possible, but it's a risk I'd be more than willing to take to upgrade a secondary/OL/DL.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

sam3, agreed. He posts the same moronic stuff week after week. Shame on us, I guess for not ignoring his pure lunacy.

ITA.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 7, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88, this x guy has to be the stupidest person to ever post.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 02:30 PM

It's not even close sams3. I've only been here a bit over a year and I've seen MUCH worse than that....

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

People act like humans don't develop personal realtionships with other humans. why don't we just kick brunell and have the whole team spit in his eye. what is the difference if he sits on the bench collecting a pay check instead of some crap young loser??? Atleast he has done somethign for the team aka taking them to the playoffs for the first time in years.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Adam, as SMACK once put it to me "have you become a Skins fan now? I've noticed you've been circling the drain for ages"?

IS that why you didn'y change your name to EaglesFan?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Next year's depth chart:

#1 Jason Campbell

#2 Todd Collins

#3 Jeff George

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat I only say that because you can tell this person really feels that advice would help. Most people just say things to be idiots.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88

I think x has some sort of automated posting system in place that randomly generates and submits a "dump all the old guys" message every time it sees an H-Back blog entry.

It saves him the time and effort required to watch and evaluate what actually happened during games or have facts interfere with his opinions.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

dear mark plotkin of the sports world,

You need an editor. The Washington Post does a good job of turning your drivel into something digestible.

Posted by: atidwell | December 7, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with him being on the bench this year as long as that is where he stays. No way he is back next year.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Simply put Brunell is not worth 3$ let alone 3 million think about it... People are going to hate me for saying this but Tony Romo was
an undrafted free agent out of Eastern Illinois... let the scouts earn their money dump Brunell and sign some young guy at the league minimum to get some depth on the O line

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone now think that the "Jason can't complete his passes because he doesn't get any practice with the receivers" argument is sustainable any longer?

Collins doesn't practice with them either because he almost never takes snaps with any of the first team but it didn't stop him being effective.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 01:49 PM


Just playing devil's advocate, but TC's two TD passes were to a backup TE and a backup RB.

Though I'm willing to let that go as coincidence. Cooley was in the locker room when Yoder caught his TD, and Betts was spelling an ailing CP. Still, those plays were crisp, and you know that TC has thrown to those guys in practice.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Its nice to have the hostility back on the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

trailblazer -- nfl.com has preseason stats.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

You're right Freakzilla, but he completed passes to all of the Skins receivers.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Its nice to have the hostility back on the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 02:36 PM

The post game euphoria gets more short lived with each passing game.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV after a win no less. I just don't understand it. I guess some just not going to be happy about anything.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see a member of the national media get it right:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheSportingBlog/122839/

Redskins Find Unlikely Savior
When Jason Campbell dislocated his knee cap last night (surely that's not at all painful), the natural reaction was something along the lines of "god hates the Redskins." But Todd Collins -- who hadn't thrown a pass since 2004 -- led them to victory, throwing for 224 yard, two touchdowns and no picks. The importance of the win can't be overstated. It keeps their playoff hopes alive (they're no doubt better than the Vikings, Lions and Cardinals), but more importantly, provides some closure for the Sean Taylor tragedy.

Posted by: mugamack | December 7, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

shut up RedDMV

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry 'coat, still an Eagles fan. Just have zero interest in futzing around with the WaPo registration system.

I though about starting an "x_1967 for GM movement" to completely screw up the Skins, but every time we put a bunch of idiots in charge of things in DC, lots of bad things happen. Plus, it's hard to read through some of the more interesting and thoughtful things written here with that drivel cluttering the blog.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 7, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss some comments up here in response to Bram Winestine's report that Smoot had 4 IV's during the game, was vomitting blood on the sideline, but still played?

Springs had no gear in his locker leading right up to game time and then grabs everything and takes the field and gets two picks. Clinton Portis was sick but played. Randy Thomas played with a huge brace.

This looks like team stepping up and fighting hard to stay in the play-offs. I would've thought Jason would have focused some of his comments on this and not all doom and gloom about the line, Portis, this and that. Portis had a huge game as a "dump-off" back. We need more of that to him, with Collins, I expect it to continue.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 7, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think the atmosphere on here today was anything like as negative as it has been.

It was pretty ugly up here after both the Jets and Cards wins, but - some peawits excepted - I thought you guys were a LOT cheerier today.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey did Daveb55 survive the blog 2.0 evolution? Haven't been called a terd-burglar in a while...

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Good one Dorf!

LMGO

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear Adam, good to hear. We non-Skins guys have to stick together here, both on the Blog AND in the DC area!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get all the sympathy for Mark Brunell.... Have we forgotten those Sundays watching him play at the end it was BRUTAL. Yeah he did take us to the playoffs but should he get a pass from here on out because of that? Restructuring or extending his contract in any way shape or form would be a serious lack of judgment for the Skins. We need that money to go elsewhere....

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, you are a terd burglar.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Ah... its not the same.

Thanks for trying sams3

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It was a bit forced, I'm sure I'll sneak it in there good one time.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your bunghole.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

That's what she said.

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

That was funny... but I'm having some trouble with your scenarios.

a) Gibby wouldn't allow himself to even attempt a 56-yard FG. 56 yards means the ball is snapped from the 39. We all know that Gibby punts from the 35-40.

b) No way Gibby runs it in for a TD because he'd put himself in the jumbo all the way down the field and that has only worked once since the civil war era.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

What kind of coin is Portis pulling down next year?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 7, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

RB, did you enjoy the game last night?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I like jumbo.

Package that is... umm wait...

Formations???

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

coat,

what's up, buddy? yes, I loved the game last night, but I have this little problem. drum roll... I live in the past too much. Shocking, I know.

the minute Collins threw that TD pass to Betts my mind wandered to the Bills, Eagles, Tampa, NYG and Dallas games once again. I'm happy we won, but extremely disappointed we aren't in better shape.

are your boys going to beat the ravens for me? oh how sweet that would be.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear RB, I hear that funny edge coming back into your posts. As they say "the past is another country" so I try not to spend too much time there.

I'd love to say that we can roll over the Ravens but I'm not sure we could beat my dear-departed Grannie right now. If it's the 2007 Ravens apart from the Pats game we have a small chance, if it's that Ravens we have NO chance.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Great Game!

Bryant Gumbel is the worst sports announcer there is!!

Hey Gumbel, how do you dislocate a patella tendon?....and your questioning Portis' medical expertise?!

....and since when is Brad Maynard our punter?!!


Posted by: filmchis | December 7, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

RC,

Thanks for the #2 post, got a delayed but good laugh.

Posted by: Markin21132 | December 7, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens have to be the biggest disappointment in the league this year. They have too much talent to be 4-8.

coat, I don't know, don't ya think it might be cool to be the only undefeated team (if NE loses), as well as the only totally defeated team (16-game schedule), in history? I'm guessing your answer is no, but you never know.

who is Miami going to take number 1 next year?

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 7, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Glad to be of service Mark from the Future.

RB, Tampa beat us to the 'UNvincible' 0-16 back in the 70s I believe. It would be sort of cool though....

You have to say the Ravens did NOT choose wisely at QB and p!ssed away years of a great defense trying to repeat their Super Bowl formula. I'm not sure that they are as talented any more now as they were - Ray Lewis for example is a pale shadow of his former self, but they still ought to be better than they are this year.

Experts (that is anyone other than me) say we try to trade down from #1 and we try to get Dorsey as we desperately need to rebuild our D.

Oh, and Beep Beep!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 7, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I completely agree with you about Portis and not going for it on 4th and 2. First, I think Portis is a "real" football player who will give you everything he has. The problem is he does not have much of anything right now. I don't know if it is something temporary bc of cumulative injuries or if he is never going to be the same guy again. I do know that Portis is a Joe Gibb's "guy" and that may be clouding his already questionable judgement here. Just compare his speed at the line of scrimmage to "Purple Jesus" (Adrian Peterson) and the difference is laughable! I will say Betts has not looked very good either albeit with far less opportunities to get in a rhythm.

Second, it seems Gibbs is almost always on the wrong side of gut calls in the Gibbs 2.0 era. He kicks when he should go for it and goes for it when he should kick. And I am not just basing this on the end results, but rather my feeling of the game as it is being played as well. It makes me think that with Gibbs just being essentially a game day manager, he no longer is in the "flow" of the game as much as he should be.

Posted by: robert_phillips | December 7, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to add that Bett's does hit the holes/LOS with more speed than Portis as well. Comparing Adrian Peterson to most backs is probably not fair for that back. But, Betts who is supposed to be the bigger power type of runner looks faster too!!! That's a problem. Holes or no holes!

Posted by: robert_phillips | December 7, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

robert_phillips if you think Betts does anything at all better than Portis you have holes in your head.

Betts goes down in the backfield everytime he touches the ball.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

P.S you are a terd muncher

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Betts goes down in the backfield everytime he touches the ball." - Sam3
- you must have a hole in your head if you think this is true!

If you can read propertly, I gave props to Portis and I said that Betts has not looked particularly good either. BUT, on most plays he will hit the LOS/hole harder and faster than Portis does. PORTIS LOOKS SLOW AND WASHED UP!

Also, Betts has always been a better receiver out of the backfield although Portis has improved in that area!

Posted by: robert_phillips | December 7, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Grow up Sam3 and improve your football knowledge before you come in here acting silly. You just make yourself look ignorant! Last comment to you - THE REDSKIN'S BEAT WRITER BROUGHT THIS TOPIC UP SO I MUST BE WAY OFF BASE, RIGHT? LOL

Posted by: robert_phillips | December 7, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

brother, if he hits the hole so great why does he rush for negative yardage? You must be hittin the bottle just as hard.

Posted by: sams3 | December 7, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Grow up Sam3 and improve your football knowledge before you come in here acting silly. You just make yourself look ignorant! Last comment to you - THE REDSKIN'S BEAT WRITER BROUGHT THIS TOPIC UP SO I MUST BE WAY OFF BASE, RIGHT? LOL

Posted by: robert_phillips | December 7, 2007 04:42 PM
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r_p,

I'd like to know what coaching experience you have. I'm sure coach gibbs would appreciate any input you might have to help him get things turned around as you obviously have a greater feel and insight for the way the game flows. Maybe you could give all the coaches a clinic emphasizing game management and personnel decisions. i'd certainly feel much better about our chances if you were calling the shots.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | December 7, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

i'd like to weigh in on the landry debate. No way that's a cheap shot. look at the replay and tell me where his head is when the receiver is reaching for the ball. he's already preparing to lay the wood. unfortunately, the ball was overthrown. he had no chance to stop. it's likewhen they call a late hit on the blitzing backers or rushing linemen for hitting the qb as he releases the ball. going full speed there is no way to stop. and as long as they don't make helmet to helmet contact, they should let it go.

they may as well put a dress on the receivers just like they do with the qb's. i'd never advocate late/cheap shots, but this is ridiculous.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | December 7, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins played well, as a savvy veteran backup should play, but let's not get it twisted, Jason Campbell is the real deal, but he's young and young QB's make mistakes, even ones that cost us games, but you have to be patient. I think the better Collins plays, the better Campbell will play because he knows a QB controversy will brew. If Collins plays well in the Meadowlands, then I think we have a great shot at the playoffs.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 8, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

robert_phillips,

I rather agree with you. CP is reminding me somewhat of Earl Campbell and Larry Brown. Both backs carried a lot of the load and took a lot of hits and both them seemed to lose it all at once. With CP, it has been slower, but I have always maintained that he has been overused as a runner.

And after four years, Gibbs still does not understand running CP up the middle on 3rd and short just does not work. You have a big back in Sellers and why he does not get more carries in short and goal line situations is just plain puzzling. Though he did get one against Da Bears.

Posted by: CSzaz | December 8, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

CP

Played alright. Good job on the screen pass and also a beast in pass protection. I didn't see many holes in the run game. Betts shouldn't get any work until he can see the blitzers and pick 'em up. F Betts and F jasno for thinking otherwise.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 8, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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