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Frost Sends a Message

Punter Derrick Frost sent this email this evening to thank fans and the organization. He was cut from the team Saturday:

"I very much appreciate the opportunity to put in greater perspective
my comments in response to being released by the Redskins yesterday.
As much as I regret them, the quotes don't reflect my appreciation for
this area, my teammates, the world-class Redskins fans, or the unique
tradition the Redskins have built in this region over several
generations. It is an honor to have played for this organization and
before these great fans for over three years, and I can only hope for
a similar experience with my next team.

While I believe that I performed well enough to have earned the
punting job this preseason, the ultimate decision does not belong to
me. The fact of the matter is that playing for a professional sports
team is a privilege. Durrant Brooks is a fine young punter and I wish
him great success here in Washington. He is fortunate to team with
Ethan Albright and Shaun Suisham. I loved working with them, and look
forward to a continued friendship with them and their families.

It is joked that punters and kickers should rent, not buy. But my
wife, Sarah, and I have really fallen for this city. We are expecting
our first child in February, and want to raise our family here, no
matter where my next NFL opportunity takes me.

I am deeply grateful for the opportunity Mr. Snyder gave me here in my
favorite city. I regret that my performance here did not make the
Redskins want to extend my tenure.

I wish my Redskins teammates and fans all the best this year and down
the road."

Derrick Frost

By Cindy Boren  |  August 31, 2008; 6:02 PM ET
 
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stay classy Mr.Frost

Posted by: Ron Burgandy | August 31, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I gues the FO isn't the only people that read this Blog. Frost felt the heat from most bloggers. At leats he was smart enough to give an olive branch to one of 32 of his potential employers.

Posted by: MJ | August 31, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Makes you feel for the guy with a baby on the way....good luck Frosty

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we bloggers wield so much power and influence it's scary. If only we could band together and bring back Fudge Ums, but sadly the pro-caramel contingent up here makes it impossible for us to build the necessary consensus.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 31, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Diddy you jest, but every weekday I here the local sports radio personality Andy Polin and Zaban refer to RI, they use it as a guage for the fan base. Some of their opinion about the FO, coaching decision come as a direct result of the opinion generated on this blog.

Posted by: MJ | August 31, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, that is outstanding.

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 31, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't we all wish we had the opportunity to have someone write a speech for us after we have made an ass of ourselves? Maybe next time he will wait until he has talked to his speech writer before he opens his trap instead of after. I am Derrick knows this was all his own doing. He played inconsitantly at best ofer the last two years and forced the team to do something. They drafted the best punter on paperto come out of college in several years and he didn't blow it in the preseason. That's all he had to do was not blow it. He was not markedly better then Frost, but we have seen that from Frost before, only to see him shank the big one as soon as the job is his. Mr Frost we are tired of that, and we are willing to give the kid a shot. He is unknown, you are not, and that is why you are no longer a Redskin. Whether Brooks is better or not remainse to be seen, but with Frost we knew what we had and had to try something else. Good luck with your next team Derrick. Maybe in your next town you will be able to stay focused after you win the job, and not just tease everyone with glimpses of what might be.

Posted by: DB | August 31, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Keep your head up Frosty... we got nothin but love for ya!

Posted by: SkinZZZ | August 31, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Well said DB. Now type a little slower and maybe it will look like an adult writing.

Posted by: Daman | August 31, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Frost was right both times he commented on his release. Cerrato and lil'Danny are the worst. They are systematically dismantaling a brilliant franchise.

Posted by: MildlyMisanthropic | August 31, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Somebody sobered up and realized that it isn't wise to slam one of the employers offering one of the only 32 jobs for which you are qualified.

Actually, I think he did it so that years later he can sign that one day contract and retire as a Redskin (yes, I'm being totally sarcastic).

Vinny and Danny still suck.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 31, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Damage Control.

Like I said yesterday, he was foolish to take the bait from JLC, and bash the team.

If the rookie chokes, he would have been in prime position to come back.......

Posted by: Jason | August 31, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Teams with concerns for the 2010 uncapped year

5. Washington Redskins: The Redskins are in great shape for the next two seasons, but 2010 could be tough. Eleven of their 22 starters are in their 30s, including five starters on the offensive line. Age is also creeping up on their defense. Cornerback Shawn Springs is 33. Linebacker Marcus Washington is 30. Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin is 31. Linebacker London Fletcher is 33. Defensive end Phillip Daniels is 35.

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DAMN YOU Jasno! You always have an agenda! You'ree just a bitter reporter who sucks and....Say what? It's NOT Jasno...

Well he sucks anyway because HE HATES THE REDSKINS FO!!!

Signed,

Just Anotherr Redskins Fan

Posted by: Redskins FO Posting as Fans | August 31, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Teams with concerns for the 2010 uncapped year

5. Washington Redskins: The Redskins are in great shape for the next two seasons, but 2010 could be tough. Eleven of their 22 starters are in their 30s, including five starters on the offensive line. Age is also creeping up on their defense. Cornerback Shawn Springs is 33. Linebacker Marcus Washington is 30. Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin is 31. Linebacker London Fletcher is 33. Defensive end Phillip Daniels is 35.

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DAMN YOU Jasno! You always have an agenda! You'ree just a bitter reporter who sucks and....Say what? It's NOT Jasno...

Well he sucks anyway because HE HATES THE REDSKINS FO!!!

Signed,

Just Anotherr Redskins Fan

Posted by: Redskins FO Posting as Fans | August 31, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Attempt to save face duely(sp?) noted. Hope you get a job somewhere, just glad it's not here. How ironic that your first chance at a new job is the place where you helped end our season last year. Wonder if they remember that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

As far as the uncapped season article is concerned. We've added a couple younger guys at these positions and probably will again next year. Just a thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, cause I'm sure every punter in the NFL has a PR guy and a speech writer....

Can't we just accept the possibility that even though he is a professional athlete, that he may be a real person with real feelings and was just lashing out because he was upset? Have none of us here said stupid things in the heat of the moment and then regretted it the next day after cooling down?

That being said, the writing was on the wall the past 2 offseasons and when they drafted a punter, Frost should have known it was Brooks' job to lose. Frost had an excellent camp, I wish he would catch on with BAL so he could still stay in the area, but Brooks needed to BOMB in camp for Frost to win the job. You don't spend a draft pick on a K/P that you don't plan on keeping.

Posted by: allstar1579 | August 31, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

10 DRAFT PICKS / 53 MAN ACTIVE ROSTER = .188

.188 x 100 = 19 (Rounded to 19 to acieve percentage)

19% of the active roster is this year's draft, AND OUR DRAFT SUCKED!

THAT IS INSANE!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

maybe napelon should read that note and write one of his own....nevermind that would mean he would have to be the bigger man.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Have none of us here said stupid things in the heat of the moment and then regretted it the next day after cooling down?

Posted by: allstar1579 | August 31, 2008 7:12 PM

I thought his second "farewell" was as good as his first was bad. And, yeah, (speaking only for myself) we've all done as bad, and sometimes paid a price for it. We just have never gotten ourselves to fit so snugly into the nasty WaPo agenda of Jasno and Wise and gotten spread all over the press.

I noticed that none of the TV channels bothered with this pettiness tonight. They did interview Jansen, and I was let down by his attitude: "They threw out some reasons, but it doesn't really make sense. I should be starting."

I always thought of him as a classy professional until today. He got beat out by a younger guy -- as every player must one day -- and he can't understand it? What I had expected was "Stephon Heyer's a fine young player and has really stepped up this year. I hope to show that I'm better."

Jansen has the makings of a locker room cancer, but I expect Buges knows how to handle him. Maybe tomorrow he'll send a text message.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"They are systematically dismantling a brilliant franchise." I think I would change the tense to "have dismantled".

McCain not Hussein!

Posted by: #44 | August 31, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"They are systematically dismantling a brilliant franchise." I think I would change the tense to "have dismantled".

Posted by: #44 | August 31, 2008 7:29 PM

I think the Cooke family and estate were well on the way to taking this thing apart before Snyder bought the team. He's at least improved what he bought.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Frosty will be in Seattle.

Adam Archuletta got cut from the Raiders.

Hoping no one picks up Billy McMullen and Kelly gets put on IR...I am sure that is just wishful thinking.

Looking forward to the start of the season! Go skins

Posted by: candy | August 31, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Remember? Gibbs bailed with no notice (sound familiar?) and Richie Petitbon took the team to a 4-12 record. Norv Turner replaced him. Charley Casserly was the GM.

This is what Snyder bought, together with that white elephant of a stadium, Jack Kent Cooke Field, in RalJon, Maryland, the middle of nowhere, inaccessible by Metro.

And you expect me to believe that Snyder ruined the Redskins? Please explain why.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

No one was a bigger Mason advocate here than me, but it looks like he was just what Greg said he was. From the other paper:


Mason couldn't master offense

Redskins 360 (View Blog)
POSTED August 31 2008 5:21 PM BY David Elfin Print

Marcus Mason, the kid from Georgetown Prep who led the NFL in rushing in preseason (admittedly the Redskins played an extra game) won't be coming back to Washington. He was signed to Baltimore's practice squad.

But apparently the Redskins weren't holding their final practice squad spot open to re-sign Mason, whom they cut on Saturday. A team source re-iterated coach Zorn's comments that Mason had made some mental errors in the preseason finale against Jacksonville. The team source said that Mason couldn't master Zorn's offense and wasn't a good enough special teams player to stick around for a second year on Washington's practice squad.


-- David Elfin

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The Patriots cut safety John Lynch after, what, a week? I'm not sure that he even lasted as long as Ade Jimoh did.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

That's a bit different than the way that Mason's agent told the story to Jasno, and the way Jasno posted it up here. According to the agent, Mason could have resigned here, but the grass was greener.... Only one of the two stories can be right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I would bet the unbiased story from the other paper would be a little more truthful than the players agent and lacantwrite.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain not Hussein!

Posted by: #44 | August 31, 2008 7:29 PM

McCain=Hussein.

And DB, the dude got cut yesterday (rightly so, I might say), so you should expect him to feel a little bitter and down. Please forgive the man for having some feelings and expressing himself openly. I find it pretty classy that he took a day to reflect and then provide reasonable response. Give him his time to be angry. But it says something about a guy who can move on that quickly. So good luck to Frost elsewhere in the league. I didn't want him to be the Redskins punter, but maybe he'll go somewhere and prove Cerrato wrong. I hope he does, too, because Cerrato deserves to be beaten down as often as possible.

Posted by: Colin | August 31, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the fact that Marcus had to go through Rock, Betts and Portis to get any minutes here, compared to BAL where he's got the walking injury McGahee and rookie Ray Rice ahead of him there while still staying "at home" had something to do with it.

I hope he does well, he looked great here and I will root for him, I just wouldn't take him over any of those 3, we already have one of the top RB situations in the league, why mess with it?

Posted by: allstar1579 | August 31, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Colin,

You can say "rightfully so" but why don't you explain it? Is it that he was kicking it too far?

I will say this though, I feel much worse for the DB's that got cut so Tryon could make it. That guy is literally the worst player I've seen in burgandy and gold since the legendary David Terrell. That dude didn't even look like a football player.

Posted by: Skinz | August 31, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"And you expect me to believe that Snyder ruined the Redskins? Please explain why."

Yes, because he doesn't "get it."

Dude has no clue about football and constantly puts people in charge who have close ties to him, not because they know football. He wants "yes-men," not people who have the courage to voice thier opinions. This translates on the field unfortunately. You're only as good as you're ownership is and the Redskins are "flaky" at best.

Mediocre owner = mediocre team

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 31, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"And you expect me to believe that Snyder ruined the Redskins? Please explain why."

If you need that to be explained you are not paying attention. 2 Wins in 9 seasons. As the ol' ball coach once said, "Not good....not good."

Posted by: Da Truef | August 31, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Two playoff wins it should say.

Posted by: Skinz | August 31, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Dude has no clue about football and constantly puts people in charge who have close ties to him, not because they know football. He wants "yes-men," not people who have the courage to voice thier opinions.

Posted by: Ray | August 31, 2008 8:14 PM

We just went through three years with Gibbs in charge. Before that we had a year of Schottenheimer. These men know football and these men are not "yes-men."

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Right, thanks Skinz

Posted by: Da Truef | August 31, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you want to bring Shott into the conversation to make that point. He lasted one year for percisely that reason. He fired Vinny and wouldn't listen to Danny.

Posted by: Skinz | August 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

2 Wins in 9 seasons. As the ol' ball coach once said, "Not good....not good."

Posted by: Da Truef | August 31, 2008 8:21 PM

Two wins in nine seasons? What team are you talking about?

Look, if you can't answer the question, just don't try.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you want to bring Shott into the conversation to make that point. He lasted one year for percisely that reason. He fired Vinny and wouldn't listen to Danny.

Posted by: Skinz | August 31, 2008 8:24 PM

So what's your point, Skinz? That Gibbs is a yes-man who doesn't know football?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Do not bother with these idiots they know about as nuch football as my 10 year old. This is the first year Vinny has had control, lets see how it plays out. Snyder has done a good job with that Sh!t hole stadium that he inherited. He also inherited a terrible coach who lasted about 5 years to long.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

No, I didn't mention Gibbs did I? I stated that Shott wasn't a very good example of Danny hiring "non yes men".
Indeed I would say he may be the best example of Danny's inability to work with independant, stong willed indivuals.

Gibbs to me was an exception but I also think Danny is getting a bit better at the whole thing.

Posted by: Skinz | August 31, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Nice one kmdp4. Way to prove the point that Danny will only work with yes men by pointing out that the prior regime kept the couch too long and that he has added seats to the stadium. Maybe you should sit the rest of this one out.

Posted by: Da Treuf | August 31, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

kmdp4--

I'm thinking these guys are too young to remember what happened and too lazy to look it up so they just call names and point fingers.

It took Cooke a long time to get it right and it worked because of two great men -- Gibbs and Beathard. When they were gone, it fell apart, almost overnight.

Finding that combination of genius isn't as simple as the tools up here would have us believe. And the fact that Snyder hasn't done it yet isn't because of all the character defects of which he's accused, but because it's just tough for even sterling characters.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Ray, can you PLEASE tell us ANYTHING you are positive about.....whether you post here or or the Wizards blog it's always doom and gloom.

Posted by: Lisa | August 31, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

the prior regime kept the couch too long

Posted by: Da Treuf | August 31, 2008 8:34 PM

Man, you are lost with words aren't you? You think the 'Skins only won two games in nine years. Now you're questioning whether they kept the couch too long? That couch was a wreck by the time they replaced it, and the living room looked terrible until they brought in the new one. They should have gotten rid of that couch after two or three years once it was obvious that it didn't go with the rest of the furniture.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Besides, where else would the divan go?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

That's a bit different than the way that Mason's agent told the story to Jasno, and the way Jasno posted it up here. According to the agent, Mason could have resigned here, but the grass was greener.... Only one of the two stories can be right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:54 PM

TE, the story may have been told the same at both places but heard differntly. I know that people only hear what they want to so...

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Besides, where else would the divan go?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:00 PM

Cload! A breath of fresh air. A new twist.

You work on bicycles, don't you? Are some of your tools posting up here tonight?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

What's your guess? Did the 'Skins want to see more of Mason on the practice squad? I'm leaning toward no -- the Elfin story makes more sense to me. I'm also happy for Mason because it sounds like a better situation for him in Baltimore.

The last one like this we let get away was Kenny Watson who's now in Cincinnati. He's had a good career for them, but he's not a world beater. I think Mason will never be more than a second or third back.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I been reading alot of our draft suck. I personally think it's not as bad as it looks. I feel good about these players: Rob jackson 7th, Chris horton 7th, Colt Brennan 6th, Kareem Moore 6th, Chad Rhinehart 3rd, and Fred "sleepy" Davis 2nd. I not upset with the punter brooks as he has more upside. So I am not down on it. After seeing the these picks play the preseason they were not aweful but they weren't pro bowlers. Justin Tryon 4th is really the worst in the bunch I really don't know how we can keep him on our team. He really is a complete bust and I don't see it getting any better other than a special team ace. I would have cut the guy. Devin Thomas does not convince me, and I have gut feeling he will not amount to much. I saw him run scared on kick off returns. Was afraid to take the hits. So I predict that this guy will be a bust. And for malcolm Kelly I don't have any info or games to judge but I have gut feeling he might turn out alright. It will take at least 2 yrs to happen but it will. So wouldn't consider it a bad draft but especially in the later rounds. These guys are all rookies. But you can see glimpses of good players. But to be honest it's a start. We are always giving away our picks and this year we keep most of them which is a start. Hopefully we get a hall of famer and a few pro bowlers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Does Frost think he's Brett Favre here? He was a below average punter. We could have 4 punters here this year and nobody would care. This cat takes himself way too seriously. So what, a punter bashed an organization on his way out. The Post has to be reporting all of this as a sick joke. How bout a piece on the rookies who stuck this year instead of giving a marginal college punter any face time? Come on.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice one kmdp4. Way to prove the point that Danny will only work with yes men by pointing out that the prior regime kept the couch too long and that he has added seats to the stadium. Maybe you should sit the rest of this one out.

Posted by: Da Treuf | August 31, 2008 8:34 PM

What the hell are you talking about, you just proved my point that your an idiot.

What is wrong with adding seats to the stadium, if people will pay for them sounds like a good buisness move to me.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

You make sense. The best case I've seen for the draft, and particularly for Tryon, was in this Rich Tandler blog:

http://realredskins.com/2008/08/stirring-frosty-pot.html

It's about 180-degrees from Jasno/Wise spin and is a good way to think about our ten draft picks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

skins you're right as rain about Tryon. I wonder if he can cover his own bed?

Posted by: priceisright | August 31, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Frost could be your insurance agent and you wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

TE, I thought that Mason had a chance with this team. But after re-watching the last game I think that he was used extensively to see how our young OL blocked and to keep the RBs that were going to be kept on the team injury free. I thought that Crummey would make the team but his play on that last game may be why he was cut. Mason was used to show how these guys blocked. See the 3rd and 4th short yard tries.

I have had to do some thinking and the Elfin article seems to confirm that he just was not able to do more than run the ball (not always where the call needed him to run). Not to say the STs is easy, but really, how hard is it to stay in your lane and make tackles on ST. To me Rock is not the good of a RB, but he knows to stay behind his blockers and that is the reason that he gets the yardage on kickoffs that he does.

And I say this with crow feathers stuck in my teeth after promoting Mason so much.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

And I say this with crow feathers stuck in my teeth after promoting Mason so much.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:17 PM

So, not only did you have an open-mind on Mason, but an open mouth to eat a raven. Well done. Hope you wash it down with tequila.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

In an ideal world, Mason nor Cartright never sees the field except for special teams. If CP or Ladell blows a hammy week one or two, we can pluck him off Bmore's practice squad. RB's can always be found, just ask Green Bay and Denver.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

As a matter of fact, the bottle of Patron is open right in front of me. Really makes the bird taste better.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

TE,

That is a great article dude is wright on, Wise is an idiot I used to like some of his stuff but that story was a waste and for him to spin it like Frost knows anything about the FO is crazy. I agree on Tryon as well he will not need to cover anybody this year so he can work in practice and hopefully be alot better in coverage next year.

Some idiots on here do not understand that you are building for the future not just this year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:23 PM

Hate to do a Jasno and pull a 180, but my guess is that if needed we do not go after Mason at this point. We would find someone bigger because of the pass protection this offense needs.

I did notice that the Jags did not cut their 3rd string RB, Washington.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Curz,

Agree Mason can not block not good for JC, I woulg go out and find a better blocking RB. I think CP will have a good year he seems to be in better shape then he has been in the past.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

TE, in a world full of superheroes, I'm but a lowly bicycle repairman.
I'll leave it to your evaluation to determine if any of the commenters Up Here are superheroes.
But to level-set: Derrick Frost is not a superhero.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I think if he has a baby on the way and all that crap, he ought to like go back to school or something, maybe take the series 7 test or an insurance test or something, cause he flunked the punting test.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 31, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey all,

We need 2 people to fill slots in our fantasy football league, drafting online Tuesday at 8 pm. Let me know if you're interested.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I guarantee his agent saw those comments and told him if you want to work again you better make an apology. Never burn bridges especially when there are only 32 of them.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

if frosty ever averaged 45 yards per punt, he could throw pooh against the doors of Redskins Park and he'd have a job waiting for him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Not only in his best shape in years K, but I think CP is hungry. He sees the end of his FB career in the next few years and wants to try to join the ranks of the elite. If he can stay healthy, he could have a monster year in this offense.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

A word on Mason. He played well when he had the chance, but I never thought he had a chance on this team.
Given his destination, it appears that there may have been as many as three teams that thought enough of him to pay him $5200/week to throw himself at a brick wall.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

read the Rich Tandler blog, and have to agree. Not all roookies can come in and make an impact. Look at Antonio Peirce, Roddy White, Plaxico Burress, Steve Smith, Larry Johnson and etc. Most of these guy rode the pine and some of them look like they were not going to be much, you can even throw Santana Moss in that list. They were bubble guys or they looked like bust. But they are some great players now. Just takes time and a certain system to work. But of course not every pick is going to be a hall of famer or Pro bowler. I'll be happy with a Khary campbell or a Reed Doughtry. They are good but they make part of your team. You are always looking to replace these guys but they keep working at it. Eventaully we will get a chris cooley like Steal.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Never burn bridges especially when there are only 32 of them.
Well, with backups and practice squad, there are at least....
lemme see....
okay, carry the one...

32. hmm.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

cload,

Where we spend the summers -- Accomac on Virginia's Eastern Shore -- a bicycle repairman would be a superhero. When we wanted to get tuneups and looked for such superhero, the closest we could find was in Salisbury, Md., 65 miles away. Of course, that's also where you have to go to shop at a Target or see a doctor.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Cload,

There are only 32 teams and each team only carries one punter, I have never heard of a punter on a practice squad.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

salisbury schwinn?

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Our traditional vacation spot is similarly isolated... an hour to the SuperWalMart, fifteen feet to the beach.

This year, we went to Maine, and had two supermarkets within five minutes. Heady times indeed.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The emotional immaturity Frost demonstrated in his earlier comments was reflected in his inconsistent punting. No matter how hard he tries to "clean them up" now, the NFL is very "clubby" and they may come back to haunt him later

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 31, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

i keed, kmpd4.

of course, it's really 30 now -- he's off Vinnie's list, and Oakland has that whole 'commitment to excellence' thing...

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Not every draft are we going to only get Pro bowlers. Wish we would though! But I'll settle for good role players and a few solid Starters. I do expect that our first round picks do turn out to be good, but we haven't been bad picking first round pick : Champ Bailey, Chris Samuels, Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, LaVar, And Maybe Jason Campbell??

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

salisbury schwinn?

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 9:44 PM

I'm not sure, rich. Once I saw Salisbury in the address we started walking more. I'm going to buy a book and some tools and figure out how to fix the damned things myself. It's cheaper than driving to Salisbury (he said before he ruined the family's bikes).

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Frost was right both times he commented on his release. Cerrato and lil'Danny are the worst. They are systematically dismantaling a brilliant franchise.

Posted by: MildlyMisanthropic | August 31, 2008 6:46 PM

You may be right, but its not as if the franchise was in all that great a condition when they took it over.

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 31, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

raiders : commitment to excellence :: redskins : commitment to brilliance?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Have to disagree with you. The Redskins front office is widely regarded around the NFL as a joke. I am guessing several GMs that Frost may come in contact with will quietly commend him for his honesty.


"The emotional immaturity Frost demonstrated in his earlier comments was reflected in his inconsistent punting. No matter how hard he tries to "clean them up" now, the NFL is very "clubby" and they may come back to haunt him later"

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 31, 2008 9:46 PM

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

raiders : commitment to excellence :: redskins : commitment to brilliance?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 9:53 PM

Cload, I think of us as closer to the Obama candidacy:

raiders : commitment to excellence :: redskins : commitment to change

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Here was a comment from one of JLC earlier post today, he is trying anything he can to bash the team even blaming veterans for his comments.

The fact that all 10 draft picks made the roster, even with many of them not exactly shining in the preseason, was not lost on the veterans. The fact that 20 percent of the roster is occupied by these players, again, something that was talked about a bit in the lockeroom.

"It's a dirty business," one veteran said of the fact all 10 draft picks made it. "It's not always about football around here."


Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Have to disagree with you. The Redskins front office is widely regarded around the NFL as a joke. I am guessing several GMs that Frost may come in contact with will quietly commend him for his honesty.

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 9:53 PM

How do you know this what team do you work for, just because JLC says it so does not mean it is.

I am sure Arizona, Oakland and Detroit are thought less of then the Skins.

And I will bet most owners which they could generate as much money as Snyder does.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"It's a dirty business," one veteran said of the fact all 10 draft picks made it. "It's not always about football around here."

Who was the Veteran? Or was this made up? Just to make a point?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"It's a dirty business," one veteran said of the fact all 10 draft picks made it. "It's not always about football around here."

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 9:56 PM

Not always. Certainly not the last two times the veterans were on the field. Hope they can change that.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

What vet was pissed? Cause if he's a vet on this team, i guarandamntee you he's making more money with the skins than he'd pull anywhere else. we always always overpay and overguarantee our players. which vet on this team is not taken care of financially? lets start a list of vets who aren't hooked up on the skins. give me three names...

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah, TE, that's too bad... Obama's plan is to take all our benjamins, which isn't the kind of change I was hoping for.

Cake -- "I Will Survive". lmao

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Even if the comment is from a veteran which I doubt, they are starting to realize that without Gibbs protecting them the young boys are coming in.

I want another 7 or 8 draft picks next year to make the team we have got to get younger.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate Snyder. At least he tries to win. look at the bills lock at the 49ers now, look at dolphins thay really don't care as much to win as long as it is on the cheap. 49ers the last 2 years have gone crazy but look at what they were doing a few years back

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Arizona, Oakland and Detroit are thought less of then the Skins.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:01 PM

Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, San Francisco, Houston, Tennessee also come to mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else have the ads for SinglesNet on this page?
If "Sarah, 29, Teacher" was trying to lead my class, there are only two things she could teach me.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"It's a dirty business," one veteran said of the fact all 10 draft picks made it. "It's not always about football around here."

Who was the Veteran? Or was this made up? Just to make a point?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:01 PM

It's obvious that he was one of the sources. Jasno never posts something without having gotten it from a source. At least that's what I read on his threads.

Unless he is talking about cuts, then he needs multiple sources to confirm what all other news media are saying.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

And St. Louis and Kansas City. I'd say the 'Skins front office is in about the middle of the pack--just about the same as their record on the field. And, there's a causal relationship between winning and respect for the front office.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"It's a dirty business," one veteran said...

Yes, that's one of the things Sarah could teach me.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

It's a dirty business," one veteran said of the fact all 10 draft picks made it. "It's not always about football around here."
JUSTIN TRYON COMES TO MIND

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, it can't be anyone on the o-line who said it, they're all making bank, except kendall, but even he got the $$ he wanted from us after the jets screwed him. its not the RB's, they're making cash and Rock got fair market value for what he's worth. its not the d-line or LB's, fletcher got a big deal, washington got a guarantee. its not the CB's or DB's. Springs makes 7 mill, Smoot got another chance and rogers is just trying to run in a straight line now. it's not the WR's, they're getting more money than they're worth right now. Cooley just cashed a 12 mill bonus, and collins just got 3 mill to hold a clipboard after nobody gave him a sniff at starting. that pretty much does it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 31, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

Thanks for those other teams I must be slippin. Ther are plent of bad FO in this league and they care about saving money more then winning.

I will take an owner who is trying to win any day of the week, because eventually he will get it right.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

If "Sarah, 29, Teacher" was trying to lead my class, there are only two things she could teach me.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:08 PM

How about Sarah, 44, governor? Anything she could teach you? Alaska: Coldest state, hottest governor.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Jasno only talks to the special team player so his source was shaun Suisham

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Jasno only talks to the special team player so his source was shaun Suisham

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:15 PM

He is the next kicker to be replaced, he will miss some crucial kicks this year guaranteed.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Jasno only talks to the special team player so his source was shaun Suisham

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:15 PM

Could be Todd Wade. He might have an ax to grind. Wonder if his career is over.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

So then, who is the college kicker that we will take next year in the 5th round?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

So then, who is the college kicker that we will take next year in the 5th round?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:18 PM

I'd like to tell you, but if I post it here the Jets will grab him in the fourth.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Good call I'll bet it was him, he had to go though we need to get younger on the OL.

Hopefully heyr can replace Jansen for good, Rinehart can replace Kendall next year. Geisinger can replace Raback within the next two years. We need to draft big on OL and DL next year, since we did skill positions this year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 31, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for those other teams I must be slippin. Ther are plent of bad FO in this league and they care about saving money more then winning.

I will take an owner who is trying to win any day of the week, because eventually he will get it right.

Synder might look bad but He tries. I look at that he wanted to win.It looked bad but wouldn't you want to get tom brady, randy moss, tony gonzalez, chad johnson, Antonio gates? I would but it just doesn't work that way. If I had to draft current players and free agents I am going after the top players and going to get them at whatever it cost. It just happen to not work here. But he tried and I respect that

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That was really classy. I admire someone who can take accountability and issue such a warm farewell. Who knows? Maybe he'll be back one day.

Posted by: Joe the Fan | August 31, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

If you have Play Madden and had to built a franchise who would you go get?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The veteran was not Todd Wade....Wade made the comment that if not for his injury he is sure he would have made the team...no sour grapes with him.

Suisham and Frost were tight so it could have been Shazam......except he does not seem like the kind of guy to make comments like that.

Posted by: Lisa | August 31, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Nobody really talks to jasno, so for vet to talk to him had to be some one close to frost and frost doesn't talk to the team Cause he just a kicker that shanks, So this is confirm.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The veteran was not Todd Wade....Wade made the comment that if not for his injury he is sure he would have made the team...no sour grapes with him.

------------

Well, there was one veteran that is no longer starting. Of course he was not replaced by a rookie, but...

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

If I was A Vet I'll be pissed that Justin Tryon made it. that guy blows

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

TE - Mrs. Palin is definitely well-maintained. She's no Liz Hurley, but then no one else is.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

It was posted earlier tonight that Jansen may do better at guard, after all Joe Jacoby did.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
However, if I remember correctly, Joe Jacoby played LT for us, then when Jim Lachey was brought to Skins, Jacoby was moved to RT.

Can anyone help me?
Am I forgetting he played guard?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 31, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe Jacoby did play tackle earlier in his career but he did end his time here as a guard

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Kurz, yeah, that's a shame that she's got a Shaun Alexander jersey on.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey I just got fired and my boss hired a guy that shows up for work EVERY day of the work week. I bet management had something to do with it huh?

Posted by: R.Vickers | August 31, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

C&D, I almost didn't link that because of the jersey, but, really how could I not?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

i dont give a sh*t about derrick frost....move on

Posted by: theredskin | August 31, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Clearly an appropriate link... combines football and politics.

When you read 'Frost Sends a Message', does the phrase 'and shanks it 25 yards, out of bounds' follow immediately?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

++The Patriots cut safety John Lynch after, what, a week? I'm not sure that he even lasted as long as Ade Jimoh did.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:49 PM+++

Better offs at getting into the HOF than Ade, tho.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Only one of the two stories can be right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:54 PM

Apparently, grasshopper, you are unfamiliar with the Many Worlds Theory of quantum physics.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

+++Before that we had a year of Schottenheimer. These men know football and these men are not "yes-men."

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:22 PM+++

Oh God please...Snyder FIRED Schott because he wasn't a yes man and had the audacity to boot his caddy, Vinny.

Yeah, he brought back his hero Gibbs, but saddled him with a personnel guy (Vinny) who could not help a weak personnel evaluator (Joe) pick talent.

The ten years of misery all have the same two top people involved: Snyder and Vinny, except for that one eyar when V. was gone.

Hey wait a minute. ARE you Vinny "Talent Evaluator?"

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

+++Finding that combination of genius isn't as simple as the tools up here would have us believe. And the fact that Snyder hasn't done it yet isn't because of all the character defects of which he's accused, but because it's just tough for even sterling characters.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 8:39 PM+++

Snyder's character defect is he's apparently stopped looking for qualified football men, and settled for a Yes Man.

His "character defect" is the same one that bedeviled Steinbrenner--Ego. Vinny made a fortune as a marketting genius and assumed it transferred into running a football team. Same thing with George S., who made his money in shipbuilding and ran the Yankees into the ground for years before bringing in great baseball men.

Yes, Snyder's task of finding a great football man isn't easy. But it helps if he keeps trying instead of settling.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I think Billy Mc mullen is back on the team after week one. just like they waited for reche caldwell. They don't want to Guarantee his salary for the year. I am hoping that they cut tryon add him to the practice squad and sign mcMullen until Malcolm is up to speed and if that doesn't happen they'll just keep him on board.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

good point

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

good point : Corkczar

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Ah, TE, that's too bad... Obama's plan is to take all our benjamins, which isn't the kind of change I was hoping for.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:04 PM

What, not enough controversy arguing football, you have to entertain us with your political ignorance and stir up stuff?

I won't retort by borrowing Maher's great line about "I'm the warrior McCain and I'll save you against the enemy but in case I die, the stewardess here is in charge" line. But it made me split a gut.

You wanna see the Little Lady as a sportscaster? Be my guest.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=164463

She looks hot. ALWAYS a great qualification for Veep. Jaysus, McPoopypants, Get a clue.

Posted by: Anti-Swiftboat Redskin Fans for Hot Wimmin | September 1, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Bye bye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Honestly, not many are going to miss you and talking in a poor manner about your past bosses is a GREAT idea! Keep it up!

Posted by: Bye Bye Frost | September 1, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

you had me right up to 'Bill Maher'.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 1, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

What, not enough controversy arguing football, you have to entertain us with your political ignorance and stir up stuff?

I won't retort by borrowing Maher's great line about "I'm the warrior McCain and I'll save you against the enemy but in case I die, the stewardess here is in charge" line. But it made me split a gut.

You wanna see the Little Lady as a sportscaster? Be my guest.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=164463

She looks hot. ALWAYS a great qualification for Veep. Jaysus, McPoopypants, Get a clue.

Posted by: Anti-Swiftboat Redskin Fans for Hot Wimmin | September 1, 2008 12:03 AM


Great, another commie.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon is the 2nd coming of Ade Jimoh.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 1, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

One thing never discussed in any of the games or commentary about the punter "competition" was hangtime. Frost did kick several long kicks, most of those were returned a long way. Danny Smith was very plain in his interview earlier this year - the Skins needed better hangtime. Frost got three years of a free pass and time to develop as he shanked punts and line drove the others. He had among the worst net averages in the NFL. On his better days, Frost was average to marginally mediocre. Brooks has UPSIDE, he hasn't really even played much bigtime football having gone to JUCO and played in the NCAA - I for only two years. If he takes some time to develop we'll still be no worse off than what we would have been keeping Frost.

And Frost was amazingly stupid for mouthing off. Brooks pulls a quad in week two, my guess is that he goes on IR and Frost is back in his old spot. His second email was nothing more than damage control. Punting is about 30% physical and 70% mental. Frost once again showed the team made a good decision - Frost just doesn't perform well under duress.

Posted by: Chris | September 1, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Everything Frost said was dead-on.

He shouldn't have taken any of it back.

Everyone I know - longtime Redskins fans who grew up here - HATE whats become of this team and this face-saving draft-pick keeper fiasco was just the last straw.

I hope the Skins have straight sub-4-win seasons until Snyder finally quits and sells the team - thats the only way things will ever improve here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Phil Mickelson has better hang time than Frosty did.

Posted by: Durant Brooks | September 1, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Asante Samuel picked in the 4th round? Isn't he 5'9" like Tryon? And didn't he have a pretty pedestrian first year?

Posted by: devil's advocate | September 1, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2007 New England Patriots 16 14 44 41 3 0.0 0 18 6 89 14.8 42 1 -- --
2006 New England Patriots 15 15 64 59 5 0.0 -- 14 10 120 12.0 33 0 -- --
2005 New England Patriots 15 15 54 44 10 0.0 -- 13 3 15 5.0 15 0 -- --
2004 New England Patriots 13 8 36 34 2 0.0 0 11 1 34 34.0 34T 1 -- --
2003 New England Patriots 16 1 34 30 4 0.0 0 5 2 55 27.5 55T 1 -- --

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Best of luck to the D. Frost family.

Posted by: DJ | September 1, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I was a strong supporter of Brooks throughout this competition, but I don't blame Frost totally for all of this uproar. I don't know who called whom following the announcement of cuts, but in either case, and especially if it was JLC or another reporter who contacted Frost, I blame the reporters. I'm not a journalist and don't know all the ins and outs of journalistic ethics, but I'd like to believe that a respectable journalist would have realized that Frost was speaking in a highly emotional state after learning he had just lost his job. Comments from a player who has just lost his job and hasn't had time to cool off and process the situation adequately are not, IMO, newsworthy. JLC must have known that by publishing these comments he would start an unnecessary controversy, hurt Frost's reputation, and potentially hurt his chances of finding a spot on another NFL team. JLC, Wise, and the guy from the Times chose to publish this garbage because they knew it would get a rise out of folks and bring them attention. Pure sensationalism.

Posted by: michaelbaldwinbruce | September 1, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

"Ah, TE, that's too bad... Obama's plan is to take all our benjamins, which isn't the kind of change I was hoping for.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 31, 2008 10:04 PM"

Wow congrats cload I didn't realize you were one of the 2% of americans that made more than $250,000

Posted by: chrIS lArry (another commie) | September 1, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Frost was trying to let the other teams know he is not a malcontent.

Gotta be tough though, best of luck to him

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 1, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Frost was trying to let the other teams know he is not a malcontent.

Gotta be tough though, best of luck to him

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 1, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

i seen worst punters out there

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Clayton's comment's is consistent to what I've been saying for some time now:

The Redskins are good until they get until the uncapped year.

Vinny, whose job this is knows he needs to keep young guys and develop them for that time because of the new rules involved. So, it's to early to judge him.

Gotta wait a few more years and drafts, but the instant analysis is off base. Keeping all 10 picks sounds like something JLaC would tell us as to why the Ravens are better team and organization then the Redskins. But, now since the Skins did it, its ridiculous (sp?). Someone tell me I'm liying on this one. Anybody.

Posted by: 4th | August 31, 2008 6:17 PM

Posted by: 4th | September 1, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

TV just picked up on the Frosty comments by D Frost. They said he was bitter and there was no mention of the graceful words he sent a day later.

Also, there will be a 1 on 1 interview with Snyder @ the 6pm hour on ComcasrSportsNet.

Posted by: 4th | September 1, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

4th,

In the on-line edition of the Post today, there is also no mention of the Frost text message, nor does it list the practice squad. Maybe they're there, but I haven't found them. And Jasno, in discussing Heyer's promotion, refers to the "Pro Bowl left guard, Chris Samuels." At least he spelled all the words correctly.

Jasno quoted Heyer as saying "I think all the training I did in the offseason has helped me be in a position where I can become a useful member of the team," Heyer said. "In the course of camp, I had my ups and downs, and the injury set me back a little bit, but I think I turned it around and I'm ready to go." I hope this time next year Thomas and Kelly can say the same thing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

>>> In the on-line edition of the Post today, there is also no mention of the Frost text message, nor does it list the practice squad.

I was wrong -- they're both in the story about ARE.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter says that Green Bay is expected to sign Derrick Frost. I'm glad he's playin. We can keep track of his numbers and Jasno can objectively bash the 'Skins if Frost booms one, and ignore it when he shanks four.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/news/

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

There are seriously people defending the front office of the Skins?

1. Name a team that has ever handled a coaching search worse than the Skins this past off season? We'll see how Zorn does, and I am glad he is our coach instead of Fassell, but the guy has never been above a position coach.

2. Name a team that has shown such disrespect to coaches, especially ones the fans liked. Gregg Williams and Ernest Byner come to mind.

3. Is there a team the last 5 years who has spent more money on high priced free agent busts?

4. Jason Campbell was selected with a 1st round pick, I rest my case.

5. Our team selected a guy that was highly known to have knee problems. Very well documented. Oh, and ran real slow. Thank god he (Kelly) is a wide receiver where you don't need good knees or speeed. Oh, wait.

Let me be more specific, I don't think Vinny Cerrato is respected around the league.

And Snyder, yes he spends money, and yes he has been a little less visible, but he is still an embarassment to this franchise.

The only franchise I would say deserves less regard than the Skins front office is Cincinnait.

And finally, don't confuse our deep pockets with a good owner. Snyder inherited a tremendous fan and revenue base and had little to do with building that. From what I have heard (and I can't speak personally) the experience at Fed-ex field has consistently gotten worse and more expensive every year.

OK, I'm done.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Here's my take:

This team has made many mistakes over the year, and even Dan Snyder will admit this. They have put themselves in a position to be criticized many times, but this team is turning the corner. We're coming off two playoff appearances in three years. You can debate why we didn't advance, but we were there which is more than other organizations can say.

People want it both ways. You complain that we don't build through the draft and the team is getting old. But when we keep young players, you say Vinny has an alternative motive. I do have concerns with this team. I am concerned about the development of JC and our seconday, but we shall see. I would have like to see the Redskins keep McMullen as a larger target for PC, but what do I know. I think Davis will be that guy.

What people also don't mention is that Gibbs retired unexpectedly. And while we like to annoint Joe Gibbs, he put us in quite a position. He has a right to retire, but when its that abrupt then you are forced to have a "month-long coaching search".

I don't fault JLac for his musings, but I'd love to see in print where he reports the FO's successes with just as much vigor as their missteps.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

This kind of statement saying good bye to the fans should come from a QB who was popular, but lost his job, like Joe Montana when he left San Francisco, not from a freaking punter who never made a pro-bowl!! If he were really trying to be "classy" he would have wished D. Brooks the best of luck in his new job.

Posted by: Gee Whiz!! | September 1, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

And shank he will.

Chri$-Obama's tax increases affect everyone. For instance, higher federal gas taxes, higher taxes on businesses means higher costs that we pay for goods and services; higher taxes on businesses means that they cannot give their employees more money. Heck, his running mate, Biden, has even supported taxes on the Internet.

Posted by: #44 | September 1, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

There are seriously people defending the front office of the Skins?

1. Name a team that has ever handled a coaching search worse than the Skins this past off season? We'll see how Zorn does, and I am glad he is our coach instead of Fassell, but the guy has never been above a position coach.

2. Name a team that has shown such disrespect to coaches, especially ones the fans liked. Gregg Williams and Ernest Byner come to mind.

3. Is there a team the last 5 years who has spent more money on high priced free agent busts?

4. Jason Campbell was selected with a 1st round pick, I rest my case.

5. Our team selected a guy that was highly known to have knee problems. Very well documented. Oh, and ran real slow. Thank god he (Kelly) is a wide receiver where you don't need good knees or speeed. Oh, wait.

Let me be more specific, I don't think Vinny Cerrato is respected around the league.

And Snyder, yes he spends money, and yes he has been a little less visible, but he is still an embarassment to this franchise.

The only franchise I would say deserves less regard than the Skins front office is Cincinnait.

And finally, don't confuse our deep pockets with a good owner. Snyder inherited a tremendous fan and revenue base and had little to do with building that. From what I have heard (and I can't speak personally) the experience at Fed-ex field has consistently gotten worse and more expensive every year.

OK, I'm done.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:17 AM


Oh boy...I'm gonna enjoy this isnadd

1) Oakland Raiders, Detroit Lions (violation of Rooney Rule)

2)Oakland Raiders, but if you must...the Redskins offered Byner a one year deal. He chose to move on. The Redskins interviewed Williams twice. Why isn't he a head coach anywhere else right now? Before you shed tears for Williams, this is the same Williams whose players ripped him in the Post at the end of the 2006 season.

3)You may have a good point on this one, but look at the 49'ers last year. I think they only won 4 or 5 games.

4)Willis McGheehe tore his knee up in the National Championship game. This guy is 22 years old!!! He can be healed.

Finally, you said you've NEVER been to FedEx...

Get the hell off the blog...you're not worthy...How can you criticize what you haven't experienced.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention FranK Gore who has always had knee problem in college and the pros.

Posted by: MJ | September 1, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

So he was just mad about getting cut and did not think to hold back in what he said.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

And finally, don't confuse our deep pockets with a good owner. Snyder inherited a tremendous fan and revenue base and had little to do with building that. From what I have heard (and I can't speak personally) the experience at Fed-ex field has consistently gotten worse and more expensive every year.

OK, I'm done.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:17 AM

Well to be fair I also have never been to FedEx filed. And yes I have heard criticism of the fan experience. But Dan Snyder was not responsible for creating that monster, it was built before be owned the team by Jacko.

Snyder got the stadium sold the naming rights for 20-30 years (I can't remember which). My gut tells me that once the contract with FedEx is up we will be getting another new stadium back in DC, seems that both the city and Skins want to do it at some point but they can't renege on the contract.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Dimwit said:
"Get the hell off the blog...you're not worthy...How can you criticize what you haven't experienced."


Seriously? I don't live in the D.C. area so I have not been to FedEx. However, my parents who were season ticket holders at RFK cancelled their tickets as they were getting older and a little less mobile. They were at FedEx the first two years and not happy with: parking, food prices, the partial obstruction between them and the field caused by some pillar, etc..

I did not read where you had to go to FedEx to actively participate on the blog.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

lets hear it for coming to work on, labor day.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

An interesting point from the redskins blog.

Also, an NFL rule that MIGHT account for the absence of Billy McMullen or Todd Wade from the roster at this point is that salaries are guaranteed for veterans who open the season on the roster, but not for veterans signed after week 1. I haven’t heard anything indicating that this would be the case with either of those guys, but it certainly seems like a possibility.

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

isnadd, you are so boring

>>>1. Name a team that has ever handled a coaching search worse than the Skins this past off season?

ATLANTA FALCONS And, can you name a team this past off season who got a better head coach than Jim Zorn?

>>>2. Name a team that has shown such disrespect to coaches, especially ones the fans liked.

Where was the "disrespect"? Offered Byner a contract and gave Gregg Williams the first chance to be the head coach. How is that "disrespect"?

>>>3. Is there a team the last 5 years who has spent more money on high priced free agent busts?

NEW YORK JETS. And the 'Skins also spent money on free agent successes -- some high-price and some low-priced: Andre Carter, Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall, ARE, Moss, Casey Rabach, Fletcher, Shawn Springs.

>>>4. Jason Campbell was selected with a 1st round pick, I rest my case.

That's all you've got? That's your case? So were SEAN TAYLOR, LARON LANDRY, CHRIS SAMUELS, LAVAR ARRINGTON.

>>>5. Our team selected a guy that was highly known to have knee problems.

SO? Lot of teams selected guys without knee problems and a few of them are on IR. James Hardy? Hasn't practiced for Buffalo for two weeks with hammie problems. How about DJ Hackett? He can't practice for Carolina. And Osi Umeniyora? He didn't have knee problems, but he's out for the year.

>>>Let me be more specific, I don't think Vinny Cerrato is respected around the league.

>>>And Snyder, yes he spends money, and yes he has been a little less visible, but he is still an embarassment to this franchise.

AND YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THESE NUGGETS IS WHAT? I HAVE AN OPEN MIND -- SHOW ME WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH THIS.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

isnadd,
Those first 2 years you're parents were there, the team was not owned by Danny.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Snyder got the stadium sold the naming rights for 20-30 years (I can't remember which). My gut tells me that once the contract with FedEx is up we will be getting another new stadium back in DC, seems that both the city and Skins want to do it at some point but they can't renege on the contract.


Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:46 AM

Alex,

That contract is not an impediment. Surely it contains contingency clauses and even if it doesn't, FedEx would be delighted to put their name on a stadium inside the city limits. They would probably even be willing to pony up a few more mill.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

lets hear it for coming to work on, labor day.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 8:48 AM

Hey, you're getting paid to blog? Rest of us are doing it as a public service.

You should join a union. At least when you work labor day there's a little something extra in the pay envelope.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

sicwidit

i don't care what the players say after a season, especially in this era of prima donnas. The HC position has become a position of who's the most popular. If the players don't like a certain style of HC, they complain, often ending in the HC getting fired.
Remember a few years back, Coughlin was the target of many lpayers wrath, but look what has happened given enough time. I'm not suggesting the NY Giants are the best team in the league, but they won last year. The Skins, like many teams, need to have some housecleaning of the troublesome players.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Dimwit also said: "4)Willis McGheehe tore his knee up in the National Championship game. This guy is 22 years old!!! He can be healed."


I hope you are right Dimwit. The key differnce is when Buffalo drafted McGahee they knew what they were getting, he sat out an entire season! Considering the Skins used our Top 3 picks and one guy (Thomas) had only one decent season in college, one guy is a tight end where we already have a young all-pro (Cooley), and one had reports of chronic knee issues and a real slow combine time...oh and some attitude blaming the coaching staff at Oklahoma for his slow time....hey, I got it...let's draft another receiver.

Vinny sux, I hope his mom reads this.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Vinny sux, I hope his mom reads this.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 8:57 AM

Why don't you cut it out and mail it to her? I'm sure she would call him up and tell him to stop suxing.

You are so boring.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

That contract is not an impediment. Surely it contains contingency clauses and even if it doesn't, FedEx would be delighted to put their name on a stadium inside the city limits. They would probably even be willing to pony up a few more mill.

Posted by: talent evaluator

What makes you so sure that FedEx would want to move from one trashy area to another inside DC? Most of DC is a ghost town after work, I'd find a much more visible area of MD or Va. But again, the issue would be agreement of all sides which seems nearly impossible inside the beltway. That's why the rest of the Country thinks so poorly of that area.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

That contract is not an impediment. Surely it contains contingency clauses and even if it doesn't, FedEx would be delighted to put their name on a stadium inside the city limits. They would probably even be willing to pony up a few more mill.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 8:54 AM

TE, I agree that if the team really wanted to get it done, it would happen. But with FedEx being 13 years old or so. demo and rebuilding would be, well mad.

I am trying to look for a history of sport stadiums, as to what stadium had the shortest run with a team before being replaced, but to dump it in under 20 years would be some kind of record.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people had high expectation for the 2 WRs this year. These ere moves that the skins hope will pay dividend in 2009. If Thomas and/or Kelly average 2-3 catches per game this year, they'd be on par with most WR draft picks.

Posted by: MJ | September 1, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"DC is a ghost town after work"
- myrtlebeachmike

Where the hell do you go after work? Have you even been on 7th street after work, how about Sequoia's? The Waterfront???

Please don't tell me you're from Myrtle Beach...It's the only place where I've been called the "n" word to my face.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

DC is a ghost town after work"
- myrtlebeachmike

Where the hell do you go after work? Have you even been on 7th street after work, how about Sequoia's? The Waterfront???

Please don't tell me you're from Myrtle Beach...It's the only place where I've been called the "n" word to my face.

Posted by: sicwidit

Racisim is alive and well in all areas of the World.

I'm from Alexandria, but have lived here for 20 years. DC is mainly vacated after 5pm. There are a few areas, Georgetown etc that have some appeal, but you wouldn't place a football stadium there.

I doubt you were called a name that ryhmes with trigger to your face, but how would we prove that? It's so easy to make it up for instant effect.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

What makes you so sure that FedEx would want to move from one trashy area to another inside DC? Most of DC is a ghost town after work, I'd find a much more visible area of MD or Va. But again, the issue would be agreement of all sides which seems nearly impossible inside the beltway. That's why the rest of the Country thinks so poorly of that area.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:08 AM

Have you lived in DC in the past 10 years? Ghost town... Wander over to Chi-town, U street, Adams Morgan, eastern market on a weekend or a friday night. When was the last time you were in Columbia Hights?

We are a dead city... thats why the Nationals still pull in 30K in attendance despite having a s*** team.

Is K street empty on weekends, well so is every business district of ever town, city, and hamlet in the US.

If you want to build a new stadium you build it to last the next 50 years; If you look at the flow of where young people are moving we are going back to the cities not into the cluster F*** we call the suburbs. With the change in the the economy to favor mass transit, you go into the cities.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

You wish I was making it up! I guess mytle beach is the epicenter of cultural diversity and bustling nightlife.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I doubt you were called a name that ryhmes with trigger to your face, but how would we prove that? It's so easy to make it up for instant effect.


Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:19 AM

I see your ignorance isn't only football related.

Posted by: MJ | September 1, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I am going to take sic at his word, vacation towns bring out the worst in people. Only time I ever dealt with a KKK member was at my place up in Lake George NY. And I grew up in Arlington.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Let's get back to football...I will no longer dignify ignorance.

Here's a point that very few have discussed.

Why was Jim Zorn so quick to name JC as his starter? He's a QB who didn't seem to mention JC and TC in the same breath. Does he really think he can run his offense?

It's intersting that JC was annointed the starter by a new HC and a former QB at that.

What is ya'll's take?

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

TE, I agree that if the team really wanted to get it done, it would happen. But with FedEx being 13 years old or so. demo and rebuilding would be, well mad.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:10 AM

Alex,

The way it would work is this. The land that FedEx is sitting on has appreciated greatly since Cooke bought it. A few years ago, it was said that they could sell the property for commercial development and pay for a new stadium out of the proceeds (provided DC provides the land). Real estate values are down so that may no longer be true, but they won't be down forever.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

T/E

Sorry you think I'm boring, I guess when someone has a different point of view you can't handle it.

As for Cerrato, here are a few examples / comments that lead me to my conclusion that he is not a "restaurant quality" general manager:

Ryan Halloran, Wash. Times:
"The people I contacted around the league were not astounded but still amused by Vinny Cerrato's promotion..."

Dave McKenna, Wash. City Paper:
Too much here to post, just click the link
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=35467

Eric Williams, Associated Content
"Cerrato and Gibbs have not added much young talent to the Redskins roster in the three years that Gibbs has been back roaming the sidelines."

Forbe's Ranking of GMs
Vinny ranked #79 across all sports
Vinny ranked #18 in the NFL
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms_2.html

I could go on all day, but that would be too boring for you.

Oh, here is one about you that came up during the search...turns out your famous.

http://badera.us/hostedimages/middle-finger.jpg


Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I doubt you were called a name that ryhmes with trigger to your face, but how would we prove that? It's so easy to make it up for instant effect.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:19 AM

Here's my suggestion. We show him your picture and he will identify the man who called him that.

What a bizarre thing to post, Mike.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think Zorn was initially hired to help JC's development. To that end JC has to initially be the starting QB.

Posted by: MJ | September 1, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey Isnadd

Why the Redskins have had some herendous busts, Arch, #85, Michael Barrow, just in this decade. Why do you bring this up? This is common knowledge. Why include jason Campbell when his body of work is not finished? i mean Alex smith was a #1 overall the same year and he was beat out by a journeyman so it can be worse. The redskins handling of the unthinkable tradegy that we had to endure this november was nothing short phenomenal, of course you were probably one of those idiot people who were like "Sean taylor was a thug" becuase it is obvious that you don't know anything about the redskins, go to a game before you post anything retard.

Posted by: Andy from Baltimore | September 1, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs is in the HOF so let me start with that. Has anyone considered the fact maybe Joe Gibbs handcuffed Vinny. When Joe Gibbs was here he overcommitted to older "past their prime players". Joe retires and all of a sudden we are getting young, we keep all of our picks and are making tough decisions to go with Heyer instead of Jansen. No way this happens when Gibbs was here.

While we bash Vinny and Dan, Joe "Jesus" Gibbs was the Vice President of the team.

I do agree with JLac on one thing. From the time Vinny was promoted is from where he should be judged and that has only been a few months.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's intersting that JC was annointed the starter by a new HC and a former QB at that.

What is ya'll's take?

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:30 AM

I would rather JC than TC for the teams QB still. Is JC slower at times, yes.

1. If you add up both their time in the WC offense JC has more.
2. Who has better arm strength? JC hands down, TC cant get the ball down filed nearly enough.
3. I am willing to bet TC will retire at the end of the year. So would you rather a starting QB who doesn't know the offense and will be gone next year or a starting QB who doesn't know the offense and will be here next year and know the offense.
4. If you believe that Colt will be the QB of the future, thats fine, but you always want more QB's with upside than downside, and colt is 2-3 years away I think.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I doubt you were called a name that ryhmes with trigger to your face, but how would we prove that? It's so easy to make it up for instant effect.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:19 AM

Here's my suggestion. We show him your picture and he will identify the man who called him that.

What a bizarre thing to post, Mike.

Posted by: talent evaluator

not bizarre, just I don't care for denegrating remarks about where I live anymore than you do about an old tired city. I'm sure we've all been called names before, just let it go already.
No, MB isn't the epicenter of cultural diversity or arts, nor is it's intent to be. There are plenty of destinations for that.

Posted by: myrtlebeachmike | September 1, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Why include jason Campbell when his body of work is not finished?"


I'm not a big Campbell fan, and really, that one might be more on Gibbs than Cerrato. I really don't know and don't recall reading comments from Cerrato about how great Campbell will be.

I think this season will be the last Jason Campbell starts in the NFL. God, I hope I'm wrong in addition to being boring.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

4th, I believe the CSN interview with Snyder will be televised at 6:00 pm on Thursday night before the game - not tonight. I've seen snippets of it and he is asked about the possibility of the Skins returning to DC. Will be interesting to see if he is asked about his "non-relationship" with the Post.

Posted by: Lisa | September 1, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The way it would work is this. The land that FedEx is sitting on has appreciated greatly since Cooke bought it. A few years ago, it was said that they could sell the property for commercial development and pay for a new stadium out of the proceeds (provided DC provides the land). Real estate values are down so that may no longer be true, but they won't be down forever.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 9:32 AM

TE,
I would like to see what the land value is now. I remember that story 3 years ago they said the value of the land in Landover was between 750 million and a billion. With gas prices up and the housing market down who knows what it's at. I know the DC market, and burbs like Alexandria and Arlington have been relatively unaffected by that stuff, no idea about PG.

For us to build the stadium that I think Danny wants (A domed, hopefully retractable, monster that can hold 120,000+ fans, its going to take close to what the Cowgirls just spent if not more 1.5-2 billion dollars)

Again, ya'll know I want to see the team back in the city but I don't see it happening for a few decades. By then who knows what land will be available. I would love to see it built where RFK is now or go up to that big vacant piece of land by Howard, but that may already be built on once the team is ready to move.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm a staunch JC supporter, but he has to the following this year for me to beleive.

He must:

1) bring us from behind for a win on the road.

2) have several 300+ passing yards games

3) complete 60% or more of his passes.

4) Lower his TD/INT ratio

5) decrese fumbles lost.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry Frost; though I ripped you, I give kudos for manning up like this.

Everyone can understand how you felt after losing your job. The mistake was sharing your feelings with a muckraking vulture like LaCanfora who was going to make it prime-time front-office bashing material...

Posted by: p1funk | September 1, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

isnadd--

I'm happy with different views. That's how I learn. And this post isn't boring -- you've brought some substance, not just a lot of attitude.

And, thanks for the research on Vinnie. I subscribe to Forbes , so I'd respect their ranking -- #18. I don't see how you can conclude from that "Vinnie's not respected around the league." #18 is about middle of the pack in the NFL, about where the Redskins record would place them. If 14 GM's are doing worse, then there must be a lot of GM's who are not respected.

And while we're talking about Forbes rankings, where do they rank the Redskins? Aren't they usually in the top ten when they rank sports franchises? Hard to see how you get from that to "Dan Snyder is an embarrassment." Dude's pretty well respected for the way he's turned the franchise around since he bought it from the Cooke family and estate.

Remember Gibbs jumping ship with no warning? Richie Petitbon going 4-12 and getting fired? Norv Turner and Charley Casserly and their drafts? That white elephant, Jack Kent Cooke Stadium (talk about ego as a character defect) in RalJon, Maryland located well away from Metro?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

isnadd,

Trust me when I tell you this when Gibbs was here Cerrato had no power, let me say it again no power. This is the first year he has been in full control, so give him a chance to build a younger team and see where it can take us. If in two or three years we are still doing stupid stuff when it comes to the FO, then I will agree that Vinny was not qualified. I like to give people an honest chance to prove what they can do.

As far as other people around the league thinking Vinny is a joke you have know idea of were they got those comments, if it was from the Cinncinatti FO or if it was from Detroit is it really credible.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 1, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I've seen snippets of it and he is asked about the possibility of the Skins returning to DC.
Posted by: Lisa | September 1, 2008 9:50 AM

He is asked about that in every interview I have seen in the past 3 years. Always give the same answer. "O'h we want to do it, but the logistics are very complicated right now"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

so is tyler ecker on the PS, or what ? no confirmation from the official site. does anyone really know the answer ?
and while we are at it, is there a sane reason why a player so brittle would be given a spot over someone like goode who at least showed enough promise to get playing time, and make a play or two ?

Posted by: shally | September 1, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

More thoughts on Cerrato and the great job the front office is doing:

1. Antonio Pierce
2. Drafte Carlos Rogers over local favorite Shawn Merriman (yeah yeah, talk about Shawn's knee now but imagine him on the Skins' roster the last few years)
3. Ryan Clark
4. TJ Duckett trade
5. Not sticking with Walt Harris
6. Brandon "punt team" Lloyd
7. Taylor Jacobs
8. Trung Candidate
9. Champ Bailey
10. Dozens of others...

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Goode if he's still injured wouldn't benefit the team now

Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

More thoughts on Cerrato and the great job the front office is doing:

1. Antonio Pierce
2. Drafte Carlos Rogers over local favorite Shawn Merriman (yeah yeah, talk about Shawn's knee now but imagine him on the Skins' roster the last few years)
3. Ryan Clark
4. TJ Duckett trade
5. Not sticking with Walt Harris
6. Brandon "punt team" Lloyd
7. Taylor Jacobs
8. Trung Candidate
9. Champ Bailey
10. Dozens of others...

Gibbs was in charge for all these moves except for Trung and Taylor Jacobs, and we are not sure Vinny had anything to do with them, so your comment makes no sense do you even follow this team.

Vinny started this year so if you want to make comments regarding him show me what you got for this year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 1, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

so is tyler ecker on the PS, or what ? no confirmation from the official site. does anyone really know the answer ?
and while we are at it, is there a sane reason why a player so brittle would be given a spot over someone like goode who at least showed enough promise to get playing time, and make a play or two ?

Posted by: shally | September 1, 2008 10:00 AM

He's on the practice squad. It's in the Post today. You can click on the Randle El article to see the full practice squad.

Yes there's a sane reason. He has played better than Goode, and the 'Skins expect that the injuries were one-off. Remember, the 'Skins have seen both of these guys, extensively, in practice. They don't just look at five exhibition games like you and I do.

If Ecker stays injured, then they can get Goode back -- no one else has claimed him for their practice squads.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Trung and Taylor Jacobs were Spurrier picks he coached Jacobs in college. He also wanted trung because he wanted a more slashing type runner for his offense see bye-bye Stephon Davis. This was a dumb move for sure but spurriers move not Cerrato.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 1, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

1. London Flecther is just as good as
London Fletcher.

2. That's why you're not a GM...you don't
draft a guy because he went to U of M.

3. Ryan Clark??? If I here this one more
time...He's not Ronnie Lott people.

4. Good point (That was Joe Gibbs though)

5. Many teams have that guy they should
have stuck with

6. good one

7. good one

8. good one

9. I'm not going there again. It's a wash.

10. ?

Now...do the same thing for 5 other NFL teams.


Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

t/e,

As for Forbes Rankings, the Skins are usually ranked #2 in team value behind the Cowboys. That is one of my issues, we have the #2 team in value and the #18 GM.

As for Snyder, his negatives far outweight his positives. Here is a quote that sums up how I feel about Snyder:

"Daniel Snyder, the George Steinbrenner of the NFL without championships on his resume." Stephen A. Smith, 2003

Go read the article he did with the Wall Street Journal recently...unbelieveable how paranoid and defensive that guy is.

However, you won't hear me calling for him to sell the team. The Redskins are not a public company and I have no proxy to do so. I am actually encouraged by the Skins control this off-season even if it was largely salary-cap induced.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

isnadd,

Now you've gone boring again. Not a single one of those players you cited was on Cerrato's watch. He was not GM when Gibbs was here. Gibbs was. Those mistakes belong to Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders.

If you want to evaluate him during the Gibbs years, I'd focus on some of the late round picks or undrafted free agents where he had more influence -- Heyer, Golston, Montgomery, Doughty, Blades.

But my basic quibble with your approach is that you don't separate what we know Vinny has done from what others have done and your lack of balance. The only way you will ever accomplish anything is to take risks. Sometimes you will fail and sometimes you succeed. You can't judge performance based just on a guy's failures. You judge a body of work, but you refuse to acknowledge that Snyder or Cerrato has ever had any successes.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

To hell with all of that ancient history stuff...since Vinny has taken over.

1) Stephon Heyer is starting (the kid is 23 and has been baptized by fire and has held his own)

2) Jason Taylor-only cost us a 2nd. You can get it back by trading down. Vinny was aggressive in getting him.

3) Kareem Moore, Chris Horton, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson, Alfred Fincher, Hamilton....all YOUNG players he drafted that look like they will contribute right away.

Whether these moves will equal championships is a questionmark but we must give Vinny time.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

te-

you said it well...let me add that no one can't say this team is not better off that it was 5 years ago.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

T/E, Saving the best for last:


(wait for it)


(keep scrolling)

Tom Cruise


ka-chow!

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Learning not to throw an oil tanker on the bridge when you burn it - that comes with age.

Posted by: Grandma | September 1, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"you said it well...let me add that no one can't say this team is not better off that it was 5 years ago."

(raising hand....)

Really?

Our offensive line is 5 years older.
Our DE's are both approaching retirement. We don't have a QB that would likely start for any other NFL team.
Oh, and I suggest some reading about the salary cap implications coming up soon.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Can we talk a little about what's available on the waiver wire/free agents? Other teams (Giants, Eagles) seem to be making moves, but nothing from us.

Why not sign Deltha O'Neal (waived by the Bengals) and stash Tryon on the PS? Seems like a no brainer move to me.

Posted by: Tbone | September 1, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Sure Goode could make a play or two, I mean all he would have to do is justify more playing time than Yoder, than Davis. Lets face it being the 4th TE on this team is gonna see less field time than a 4th RB would have. And that is saying something

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

t/e,

As for Snyder, his negatives far outweight his positives. Here is a quote that sums up how I feel about Snyder:

"Daniel Snyder, the George Steinbrenner of the NFL without championships on his resume." Stephen A. Smith, 2003

Go read the article he did with the Wall Street Journal recently...unbelieveable how paranoid and defensive that guy is.

However, you won't hear me calling for him to sell the team. The Redskins are not a public company and I have no proxy to do so. I am actually encouraged by the Skins control this off-season even if it was largely salary-cap induced.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:13 AM

I read the article. I posted it up here before they took it down for violating copyright laws. I thought he sounded paranoic, until I read those two attacks from Jasno and Wise yesterday. Now he still sounds paranoid, but like a paranoid who is being attacked for nothing by the Post.

I also read of his patience and growth as an owner. That was encouraging. Cooke didn't win when he became an owner -- it took him a long time to learn how. The thing about being an NFL owner is that there's no training -- you don't work your way up. You start at the top and learn on the job.

So, now we're in agreement about your last paragraph, that this past off season has been a good one. And you proved me wrong on my claim that you don't acknowledge Snyder's successes. On the rest of it, agree to disagree.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

How many Superbowls do the Ravens have...what about the Eagles....Giants...? As much talk about the FO, the Ravens have one Superbowl as do the Giants in the last 20 years. The Eagles haven't won anything. The Giants got on a roll and peaked at the right time. They may not be perennial powerhouses.

The point is that the Skins have made bad decisions in the past, but we're turning the corner. If you think here is bad, go to Oakland, Arizona, Cleveland, Atlanta, Buffalo, Jets.

At least we've played football in December in two of the last 3 years. I'll take it!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 1, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise
ka-chow!

Posted by: isnadd

I thought his name is now Less Groseman?

"Which one of you is the grip?... YOU Go and punch that Limey **** in the face"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

PRACTICE SQUADS AS OF SEPTEMBER 1
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2008, 9:43 a.m. EDT
Bills: LB Marcus Buggs, OL Dustin Dickinson, RB Bruce Hall, WR Felton Huggins, DL Corey Mace, WR CJ Hawthorne, TE Jonathan Stupar.

Dolphins: CB Will Billingsley, WR Jayson Foster, OT Darren Heerspink, RB Lex Hilliard, TE Matthew Mulligan.

Patriots: DL Titus Adams, S Mark Dillard, RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis, LB Vince Redd, CB Mike Richardson, DB Antwain Spann.

Bengals: LB Dan Howell, RB James Johnson, G Nate Livings, WR Maurice Purify, WR Mario Urrutia.

Ravens: QB Casey Bramlet, WR Justin Harper, OT Joe Reitz, DT Saloman Solano, WR Ernie Wheelwright.

Steelers: LB Patrick Bailey, DB Roy Lewis, S Grant Mason, OT Jeremy Parquet, NT Scott Paxson, WR Micah Rucker, TE Dezmond Sherrod, RB Justin Vincent.

Jaguars: TE Chris Brown, DE Mkristo Bruce, OTAndrew Carnahan, TE Charles Davis, DB Isaiah Gardner, OL Drew Miller, DB Rashod Moulton.

Texans: LB Kevis Coley, WR Darnell Jenkins, DT Gabe Long, DE Jesse Nading, CB Derrick Roberson, WR Mark Simmons, Darius Walker.

Titans: WR Biren Early, DT Antonio Johnson, CB Cary Williams, OL Fernando Velasco, OL Jason Murphy, TE Jamie Petrowski.

Raiders: RB Louis Rankin, TE Darrell Strong, DE Greyson Gunheim, P Glenn Pakulak, FB Marcel Reese, WR Jonathan Holland, CB Darrick Brown, OT Brandon Torrey.

Cowboys: WR Danny Amendola, RB Alonzo Coleman, LB Tearrius George, TE Rodney Hannah, WR Mike Jefferson, DE Marcus Dixon, FB Julius Crosslin.

Eagles: LB Andy Studebaker, FB Jed Collins, CB Kyle Arrington, DT Mike Marquardt, WR Willie Reid, OT Chris Patrick, CB Trae Williams, WR Shaheer McBride.

Redskins: FB Nehemiah Broughton, OL Devin Clark, OL Andrew Crummey, WR Horace Gant, LB Curtis Gatewood, CB Matterral Richardson, CB Byron Westbrook.

Bears: DE Ervin Baldwin, OT Cody Balogh, LB Joey LaRocque, TE Fontel Mines, G Tyler Reed.

Packers: WR Jake Allen, C Brennen Carvalho, TE Joey Haynos, LB Danny Lansanah, DT Alfred Malone, CB Joe Porter, WR Brett Swain, RB DeShawn Wynn.

Vikings: OL Brian Daniels, OL Tim Mattran, WR Jaymar Johnson, WR Darius Reynaud, DL Martail Burnett, DL Leger Douzable, CB Marcus Walker, RB Albert Young.

Buccaneers: RB Clifton Smith, WR Brian Clark.

Falcons: TE Keith Zinger, WR Eric Weems, OL D’Anthony Batiste, DB Glenn Sharpe, DB Eric Brock, DE Brandon Miller.

Panthers: RB Decori Birmingham, WR William Buchanon, S Joe Fields, DT Nick Hayden, OT Geoff Schwartz.

49ers: RB Thomas Clayton, DT Atiyyah Ellison, TE J.J. Finley, LB Larry Grant, DE Louis Holmes, WR Dominique Zeigler.

Seahawks: S Jamar Adams, CB Marquis Floyd, DT Kevin Brown, WR Michael Bumpus, TE Joe Newton, G Pat Murray, T Kyle Williams.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 1, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok


Champ Bailey did not want to be here, that is why he was traded, if i hear one more person bring up Ryan Clark or Champ Bailey.....shut the hell up about salary cap implications, your just parroting crap you heard. people have been saying that since Snyder took over to no avail. The offensive line is 5yrs older but Cerrato found heyer who is extremely young and we will plug in Rinehart next year. jason Campbell could start for Chicago, Buffalo, Atlanta, Green Bay, SF, and KC. Thats not any other team is it. I'll let you in on a little secret OFFENSIVE SYSTEMS TAKE A LONG TIME TO MASTER, you can't judge JC on what you see right now. Hasselbeck said it took him two years to master Zorns system. i guess you didn't catch that when you were scannig MSN Sports in the morning so you can sound knowledgable around your cubicle at work. Stop parroting crap and get your own material imbicile!!

Posted by: Andy from baltimore | September 1, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's what Peter King put up on MMQB about Jansen/Heyer:

h. It seems bizarre, but Jim Zorn is really thinking of playing Stephon Heyer, a second-year tackle, ahead of 10-year vet and longtime starter Jon Jansen, who's had trouble in the preseason with speed rushers, at right tackle. Why wouldn't Zorn do this, with Justin Tuck set to line up across from the Washington right tackle Thursday night?

I'm wondering how many of the Redskins pre-season games he watched, and my hunch is zero.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

At the risk of extending our joust:

Can you please enlighten me on the successes that Snyder has had since he became owner?

Posted by: t/e | September 1, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

t/e,
At the risk of extending our joust:

Can you please enlighten me on the successes that Snyder has had since he became owner?

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Our offensive line is 5 years older.
Except that we just replaced Jansen with a 23 year old, 2 of the other guys were not on the team 5 years ago, and we have Rienhart to step in next year if we want him to at Guard, thats true. Who was our center when Joe Gibbs came in??? F'ing Moore? Our Guard? We had Dock but he was not starting yet, I cant remember the guy who was but he was already too old.

Our DE's are both approaching retirement. We don't have a QB that would likely start for any other NFL team.
Again, they are different and 5x better than the DE's we had 5 years ago, when Wynn was our best DE. Yes Taylor will probably retire in 2-3 years. But Carter I believe is still 29 or just turned 30, he has 4-5 years left in the tank, longer than most player careers, we also have some younger guys on the roster now who will step in hopefully at some point in that span of time. Say what you like, I like Buzbee and James a lot.

Oh, and I suggest some reading about the salary cap implications coming up soon.

The only issue is if there is an uncapped year, but a ton of teams will get hit hard by that happening. From what I hear, because we are excersizing some fiscal responsibility this year, things are going to get better cap wise for us next year, we have made few moves that give us a big cap hit this off season. We did get rid of BLloyd and that may still effect us, but I dunno of a major salary cap hit we will take, and besides every year we seem to be about to go to caphell and work out fine..


Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

This helped to clear up the waiver process to me:

A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE WAIVER PROCESS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2008, 9:19 a.m. EDT
With teams now acquiring new players via the waiver system, several readers have asked us to explain the process. Here goes.

Before the trade deadline in October, any player with less than four years of NFL service who is released by a team passes through the waiver system. Every team has an opportunity to make a claim for his rights. After the claims are entered, the player is then awarded to the team with the worst record.

For now, the Dolphins have top priority on waiver claims, given their 1-15 record from 2007.

We’re currently trying to figure out how the 2008 records factor into the process moving forward; after Week One, half the teams will be 0-1 and half will be 1-0. If the Dolphins win on September 7 and the Patriots lose, it doesn’t make sense that the Pats should have priority over the Fins for any players who are waived by other teams prior to the Week Two games.

The team that is awarded the waived player assumes the contract he had with his former team.

If the player isn’t claimed on waivers, he becomes an unrestrictred free agent. He then can be signed to any team’s active roster or to a practice squad, if still eligible.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 1, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Latest practice squad news: Tyler Ecker did NOT sign to the practice squad, despite the rumors to the contrary. The team has instead signed their third Devin (alongside Thomas and practice-squad O lineman Clark) in Devin Aromashodu.

Aromashodu played with the Colts last season and was in their training camp until Saturday’s cuts. He will forever be immortalized in Colts lore for catching the first Colts touchdown in new Lucas Oil Stadium, a 94-yarder from Quinn Gray.

Like departed fan-favorite Anthony Mix, Aromashodu played with Jason Campbell at Auburn, which is probably the most relevant thing about him — in fact, the two connected for a touchdown in the 2005 Sugar Bowl.

Aromashodu is the eighth and final player on the practice squad roster

Posted by: Lisa | September 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

How about Making the playoffs in 2007 after the death of the best player on the team. I'm pretty proud of that.

Posted by: Andy from Baltimore | September 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

honk honk

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 1, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

isnadd--

Here:

As for Forbes Rankings, the Skins are usually ranked #2 in team value behind the Cowboys.

Posted by: isnadd | September 1, 2008 10:13 AM

That never would have happened under the clueless, egotistical Cooke family.

As for Snyder's successes, we've been in the playoffs twice the past three years. We've never had a year as bad as the 4-12 under Richie Petitbon. We have an improving roster. I thought all his head coaching decisions were better (in prospect anyway) than Norv Turner. I was wrong about Spurrier, but so were a lot of others who thought it was a brilliant coup. I also give him a lot of credit for spending to the max -- there are many franchises in the league where the owners won't spend. (Right here in DC we have the Lerners trying to win on the cheap while not even paying their bills to the city.)

My bottom line on Snyder is that he's made a lot of mistakes, but never made the same one more than three or four times. He's learned, and I like the trajectory the team is on now. I think he gives Vinny three years as GM and if things aren't better than they are today, then Vinny hits the street.

Snyder wants his legacy to be marked by Lombardi trophies, and more Lombardi trophies than Cooke got. He's sure not going to let loyalty to Vinny stand in his way.

Now, loyalty to Tom Cruise, that could be an obstacle ;)

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 1, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

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