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G. Williams Heads to Big Easy

As reported, Gregg Williams has been named defensive coordinator of the New Orleans Saints, which, if nothing else, figures to add another angle to the Saints' visit to FedEx in the fall.

One of Williams' players is likely to be Usama Young, whom Dan Steinberg wrote about earlier this week. And, of course, who can forget that Williams will be reunited with Leigh Torrence?

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“We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build,” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”

He indicated that offensive line could be a position the Redskins address this offseason.

From the Skins.com site. Zorn from evaluations meetings ...

"If the Redskins spend a high draft pick on an offensive lineman this year, then they would expect that player to contribute right away, Zorn said.

'You would want him to step in and be the guy,' he said.

The Redskins have the 13th overall pick in the NFL Draft this April.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Who is Leigh Torrence? Did he used to play for Buffalo?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Volunteers is always overlooked. Hanks and Candy at their best.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 15, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse "

So true Etrod...I love Volunteers...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

From his conversation with Chris Cooley:

Suggs: But I did laugh when they brung in that center or whatever and put him at tackle. That was kind of hilarious. He was like 6 foot maybe 300 and something pounds and I was like "Oh my God. They got this guy at tackle."

"Cooley: I know and you beat him for a sack the first play. It was embarrassing.

Suggs: Ya.

Cooley: We had no other option....

Suggs: I know I know. Y'all was down, y'all was depleted. But I don't laugh man. I just try not to get my ass whooped [sic]."

They do need a new offensive line. It sounds like Zorn seems to know that, albeit putting it in the most politically tactful way he could.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Tom Hanks movie ... I liked "Joe vs the volcano" ... (though upon typing that out, it reads like gay porn ... not that there's anything wrong with that).

What I was thinking about for Harvey Dahl was Kendall's spot ... let Kendall retire and hit the glucosamine chondroiten (sp) for the forseeable future ... save further wear and tear ... its only humane to make him stop playing football.

Rinehart could then maybe get some snaps as a third guard if and when the need arises, hopefully not due to injury ... but an offensive line is a continual building process. I don't want to "find out" if Rinehart sucks if an injury bites the interior line again (and it will). Thomas isn't getting any younger.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

From Skins.com


Zorn discussed his thoughts on the Redskins’ offensive and defensive lines, but emphasized the evaluation was still in the early stages.

“We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build,” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”


WTF is he smoking!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 15, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks GG will make things a lot better in NWO?

NWO had the 23rd ranked defense last year. They played the 5th easiest schedule (opp winning percentage 0.449) and finished 8-8. They gave up 29 points TO THE REDSKINS! The defense was awful.

Maybe Grilliams can make them better, but ya gotta think that talent -- lack of talent -- has something to do with how truly bad the defense was.

Given how easy the schedule was, and how poor the defense was, is Grilliams doing well if NWO's defense is in the top half of the league next year?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

To bad for Grilliams

Dude should just chill and wait.

If he fails in the home of Lil Wayne, the expression "re-tread" or "hack coach" will start to follow him around.

The Saints don't have the personnel for what he does and will lose patience just like the Jags did.

And he'll be looking for another job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"If the Redskins spend a high draft pick on an offensive lineman this year, then they would expect that player to contribute right away, Zorn said.

'You would want him to step in and be the guy,' he said.

YOU MEAN LIKE A 3RD ROUNDER ON A GUARD??? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, WHY ARE WE CURSED.

Congrats to Gregg Williams - the man who should be coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: kdog11 | January 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

huuuuu-WHAT?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

WTF is he smoking!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 15, 2009 2:17 PM

I think what he's smoking is called "Screen" as in "Smokescreen." I wouldn't want to see him come out and say "Our O-Line sucks. If we don't upgrade it in free agency and the draft, then my goose is cooked. This is our number one priority. We're taking the best available O lineman at number 13." Somehow, I think that would send the wrong message, even if it's the right message.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Zorn reiterated that the team plans to bring in competition at both kicker and punter this offseason.

From JZ's interview with the hated L Michaels.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The real story is that Double G is now Gibbs' successor - just Gary, not Joe!

Posted by: good4onepoint | January 15, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, haven't you heard? With GG, it's not about the personnel. It's all about his scheme.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 15, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

i'm liking the silence on the leigh torrence sentence... maybe if we ignore it, it will go away...

ah did i just jinx it?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Here it is the NFL strength of schedule from last year as updated with current team's W/L. I had to take out the decimal points.

cle 572
Det 558
cin 553
Jax 537
STL 537
KC 537
Pit 525
Bal 521
Oak 520
Hou 518
SD 516
Phi 514
Min 504
GB 504
NYG 502
sea 502
Ind 498
Dal 498
NO 496
Car 488
AZ 486
TB 480
NE 480
WAS 479
Chi 475
Buf 469
NYJ 469
Mia 461
Atl 459
Tenn 459
DEN 457
SF 447

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

DANG YOU, Beep-beep!


++++ I posted it a couple times before, but Vinny is actually a good judge of talent. What he is NOT is a general manager….

Posted by: psps23++++

You can post that thought til the cows come home, but that doesn’t make it true.

Vinny is a terrible judge of talent. THIS was his first year as THE man in charge. No excuses. Let’s go to the scorecard, shall we?
Nine of ten draft picks, and ALL of his UFA’s didn’t play worth a damn this year on an 8-8 team.

The punter he drafted was cut (the incumbent and the new guy suck). He had three tries at receivers and fanned. Weak year at receiver? Not hardly a half dozen guys he passed on contributed significant mionus to other teams, including one that’s playing for the NFC championship Sunday.

His backup lineman couldn’t even get on special teams. His nickel back got lit up more than W.C. Field on St. Paddy’s Day.

His ONE success? A seventh rounder he passed on six times and selected as an afterthought, probably to mollify the coach who recommended him.

FA and TRADES?

He wasted a seventh rounder on James. He wasted a second and sixth rounder on Taylor. He has four picks 9I wont’ blame kenall on him) in a rebuilding years—but then under Vinny, WHAT year isn’t a rebuilding year?

His ONE suceess? DeAngelo Hall. (maybe). ONLY if he can resign him at a decent salary, and ONLY if he proves significantly better than Rogers, who got thrown under the bus.

No, this is a lousy personnel guy. But I agree with you one one thing. He’s a lousy GM, too.

I say let’s see how he does running a chain of burger joints.

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

Your revelation about Grilliams preference for scheme over personnel really confuses the Madden GM.

I mean, how does the Redskins' FO not hire a guy who prefers scheme over personnel, and then turn around and hire a guy from Seattle who's all scheme regardless of the personnel?

Sounds like they wanted a personality they could bully over a coach who is a bully.

That's why the jints' coach Spags dissed them and Grilliams went away confused and bitter.

The FO didn't want a coach.

They wanted a boy who they could tell what to do.

They wanted Zorn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

++++It was within the Skins' rights to deny him permission. With Greg Blache, Washington's current defensive coordinator, lured out of retirement a year ago and operating year-to-year, blocking Gray's interview makes sense ... with the natural assumption being that should Blache walk next offseason, Gray would be right there for the job.++++---JLC

I'm not Gray's agent, but if I was, I'd be dang sure that was in writing. As Camus, or perhaps it was Sam Goldwyn once said:

"An oral contract isn't worth the paper it'

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

the madden gm is full of it.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 15, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe said:
"Tim Tebow is returing to the Philiphines to circumsize little boys who think football is soccer and a tight end what American business men look for while on vacation."

______________________________________

I just got on here and read through the comments, so sorry this comment is late. But I was born and lived in the Philippines, sir, and I take offense to your comment. They show NFL games on tv there, you idiot, and people there don't really like Soccer. Don't make fun of a people and a culture that you know zip about. Also, Tim Tebow does a great service to the community there, and by belittling his work there, you are showing yourself to be an ignorant pr*ck you.

Posted by: JMSinCHeights"


lol, do you even know WHAT Tebow does there?

Last year he used X amount of money to go over there and build them a fence while he wasn't preaching Christianity to little kids.

Why is him influencing kids' religious beliefs a good thing? Dude is like those religious weirdo's you see on TV, I've seen videos.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

trolly_time

Yes. The Madden GM is full of it.

He annoys me too.

The guy posts to himself all day when he should be working.

But deal with what he says and not him: several of the coaches interviewed last year said the Redskins' FO wanted to foist an offensive system and coaches on them, and not let the head coach look at the personnel and then decide what he wanted.

Yes: The Madden GM is a jerk.

But he's never wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

LEIGH TORRENCE POCKETS CANFORA

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"He wasted a second and sixth rounder on Taylor.'

If we trust Blache, and assuming Taylor resigns for a much smaller contract at age 34. Then perhaps this was not "wasted".

However, it was way too expensive ... those draft picks are very valuable. Of course IMHO Mr. Portis was too expensive. Champ Bailey was after all Champ Bailey. But the team had little choice given the owner/GM's out-of-control behavior.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

champ was good, but gimme a break, whenever he went up against amani toomer, he'd get torched all game long. DEFINETLY time to move on from that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"champ was good, but gimme a break, whenever he went up against amani toomer, he'd get torched all game long. DEFINETLY time to move on from that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg "

I've moved on from it and never really been bothered by it.

But to insult the greatness that is Champ Bailey!?!

FOR SHAME BEANTOWN

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know more about the free agent situation, and what reasonable options we've got? Anyone?

Posted by: noseman4681 | January 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd tell my son that the window of success isn't open but for so long: get in the draft, get that singing bonus, play football, ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 12:22 PM

Do they still give `singing` bonuses in the NFL? I thought they stopped that after the Skins gave the big singing bonus to Brandon Lloyd and all he wanted to do was make records in a studio, not on the field.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Lets get this fat bastard on top of it for a future post. who cares about GWilliams?

Posted by: noseman4681 | January 15, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

truth, if Champ is as you put it so great, then Toomer must be other-worldly.....
if by great did you mean the "oops I just got double moved, so I'm going to act like I fell", that Champ got to be good at.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Champ > all of "bean town"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The Saints don't have the personnel for what he does and will lose patience just like the Jags did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 2:21 PM

Grilliams' gig in Jacksonville had nothing to do with patience or "his" defense. Del Rio is a defensive coach and calls the defensive plays. The weather in Jacksonville is nice, Grilliams was still drawing his paycheck from The Owner for the remainder of his Skins contract (probably making more than Del Rio), and probably was invited by Del Rio for "pointers". Grilliams only had a one year contract in Jacksonville from Day One.

In New Orleans, Payton is an offensive coach. Grilliams will be top banana on defense (except maybe for the GM). Payton will defer to Grilliams on defensive stuff.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Toomer v Skins during Champ's tenure

1999 Rookie year not starter
game 1 5 for 105
game 2 1 for 18

2000
game 1 3 for 31
game 2 3 for 26

2001
game 1 7 for 97
game 2 9 for 109 1TD

2002
game 1 8 for 95 1TD
game 2 6 for 65 1TD

2003
game 1 4 for 81 1TD
game 2 2 for 30

Grand total

10 games 48 catches for 657 yards and 4 TDs

While certainly Toomer wasn't shut down 4 TD's over 10 games and only an averag of 65 yards a game for a teams #1 receiver that was a 1000 yard receiver all 5 of those years isn't exactly getting "torched".

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 15, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't see that the Champ/Portis trade was that bad. We have used the hell out of Portis and Springs has dont a fine job in place of Champ. All three have had their issues, and Champ has quite a bit of punk A$$ in him. There have been many many worse moves then that over the last few years.

Posted by: manbrute | January 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

noseman, Harvey Dahl ... guard ... Falcons.

We also need to replace Marcus Washington and Cornelius Griffin and Sean Springs. Pick two for the draft. The other one needs to come from free agency.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I bet it will be like Christmas Morning when Gregg arrives in New Orleans and finds Leigh Torrence on his roster.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | January 15, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"While certainly Toomer wasn't shut down"

Isn't champ supposed to be a 'shut down corner'...thats kind of my point.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

ah, the Bailey-Portis trade - memories, memories...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

""While certainly Toomer wasn't shut down"

Isn't champ supposed to be a 'shut down corner'...thats kind of my point.

Posted by: BeantownGreg "


there aren't many corners in the league better than Champ in since Champ came in, whether you like it or not.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

sween

True about Grilliams. I forgot about the contract situation, which, in hindsight, again confirms the argument that the Skins' FO just wanted him gone.

I think hiring him would've put a rude guy in the room who'd ask, "Why are we drafting 2 wide outs and a tight end when my own self-scouting says, get a linemen or two out of this draft, please!"

And the FO didn't want that rude guy in the room to ruin their own Madden GM experience.

It seemed to me the loss of Sean Taylor and the way the team responded to it humbled the guy to where he may have been a better coach.

But alas, like #21, he's gone and we gotta move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Please factor in the pick we sent to the Bronk-Hoes when reviewing the Portis-Bailey trade.

It wasn't as 'straight up' as folks make it out to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Cork - I posted Vinny's stats before, but here's the gist.

Factoring in every draft that Vinny's been a part of for the Redskins, his ratio of success/bust in the first 3 rounds of the draft looks like this: 12/5. That's a damn good percentage. Off the top of my head, I'll give you the successful talents he drafted vs. the busts.

Successful talents: Bailey, Jansen, Arrington, Samuels, Taylor, Landry, Rogers, Campbell, Cooley, Macintosh, Dockerry, Betts

Busts: Ramsey, Cliff Russell, Taylor Jacobs, Rashad Bauman, and I'm forgetting one more person.

The problem is that the FO has been so inept over the years that they've essentially been giving away draft picks, not realizing the type of players that result from them.

As far as this past draft goes, it has yet to be fully judged. We don't know whether a majority of these guys will be successes or busts (only one of them is pretty much proven -- Horton). However, this draft class WAS awful last year for a team with playoff aspirations, which hearkens back to my assertion that Cerrato has no idea how to build a cohesive team. Instead of drafting projects and risks, he should have selected guys that were NFL-ready and had the best shot of making it in this league. Or he should have said F it, and forget about Jason Taylor or extending Jon Jansen as they have no future value. Either way, he had no plan. But that does not mean that the guys he selected will not become successful NFL players (although I'm pretty sold that Tryon won't be).

He's a glorified scout. Nothing more.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Harvey Dahl ... guard ... Falcons."

Was hoping they would have made a deal for him instead of Kendall when they found they were short a real guard.

That was Atl. was a patsy team. Now they are good. More difficult to pull guys like him away.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I bet it will be like Christmas Morning when Gregg arrives in New Orleans and finds Leigh Torrence on his roster.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat


He'll be like "Man, I got my fourth corner position so covered!"

Posted by: Predator48 | January 15, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Successful talents: Bailey,"

That was entirely Casserly, his scouts etc. Vinnie was not involved with Bailey's selection nor with that draft.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato was a scout for that draft. He came in 1999 and was partially responsible for that draft, as well as bringing in guys like Deion and Bruce Smith.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Until Horton, in the Gibbs 2.0 years the Redskins have been reasonably successful in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. After that there was an alarming and significant drop off. Until Horton.

The problem is that the impact players like an Arrington, a Bailey came during Casserly.

First round and second round picks (until perhaps Campbell but that was all Gibbs) have not yielded any true impact players. They have had to rely on free agency to get such players which can be very, very risky.

In today's NFL the draft is the place to get your impact players. Not FA. E.G. Was Brett Favre a better choice than letting your starting QB go to Miami and lead them to the playoffs?

FA is best used to fill holes. Not create playoff teams.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

folks

scan: espn.com/drafthistory (years 2003-2004) and review what players teams took after the Skins picked.

You can count the players from those drafts that are still with the team on one hand.

Those drafts--the transition from Spurrier to Gibbs--are the reason why the Skins are in the situation they are in now.

And many of the players we all want now were selected by other teams then.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Strange, Bailey himself once made the comment that "the folks that wanted him were all in Houston now."
Just before his exit to Denver.

No, Cerrato was just a "consultant" to the owner just as he was under Marty.

"Cerrato was a scout for that draft. He came in 1999 and was partially responsible for that draft, as well as bringing in guys like Deion and Bruce Smith."

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"I got my fourth corner position so covered!"

lol, if that...try 5th cb...maybe...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I bet it will be like Christmas Morning when Gregg arrives in New Orleans and finds Leigh Torrence on his roster.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | January 15, 2009 3:54 PM

Yeah, here's what he'll say: "Wow! I know I got a pony. There must be a pony in here somewhere because look at all this horsesh1t!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me which college offensive lineman is rated the highest on EA sports college football?

Once we get that figured out, it should be pretty obvious which lineman Dan and Vinny will take in April.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | January 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Vinnymustgo, they're probably just gonna find out whoever the #13 ranked player is, regardless of position, on EA Sports NCAA College Football and draft him regardless of who is available.

We could be looking at having the best rookie fullback in the league next year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"folks

scan: espn.com/drafthistory (years 2003-2004) and review what players teams took after the Skins picked.

You can count the players from those drafts that are still with the team on one hand.

Those drafts--the transition from Spurrier to Gibbs--are the reason why the Skins are in the situation they are in now.

And many of the players we all want now were selected by other teams then.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2009 4:38 PM "

You mean the period when Dan and Vinny were picking players the first time, before Gibbs brought NFL level player personnel knowledge to our FO?

It's not who we pick or even who made the picks, it's the notion that we change directions and systems every other year (on average). That points to a bad owner and a bad front office.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | January 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
Great point. At least there aren't any game changing punters this year.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | January 15, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Harvey Dahl ... guard ... Falcons."

Was hoping they would have made a deal for him instead of Kendall when they found they were short a real guard.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 4:26 PM

At the time the Skins added Pete Kendall (August 2007), Harvey Dahl had played in only four games ... in his career ... not started ... one series on the offensive line ... special teams.

Dahl was an undrafted free agent (practice squad for the 49ers in 2006 ... picked up by Falcons in 2007 ... earned a starter spot this past off-season).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

How did the Danny and Bug eyes meet? Redskins nation rues the day when they did... Must have been the perfect storm

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 15, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I already forgot we drafted a punter last draft.


FACEPALM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I am not reopening the champ/portis debate...If I was Champ at that time I would have wanted the heck out of Wash too...siht was a mess...Skins came out about as good as they could have hoped.

But to argue that Champ Baily was/is not a great corner is just plain retarded.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

All CBs get beat and their are always guys that can they struggle with...its the nature of the position. D. Green struggled with Roy Green and at times later M. Irvin....does that mean he wasn't amazing...no.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

But to argue that Champ Baily was/is not a great corner is just plain retarded.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Look who is making the argument, nuff said

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

At least there aren't any game changing punters this year.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | January 15, 2009 4:55 PM

That's actually too bad, because we could use one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I admit, I forgot.

Posted by: larryn703 | January 15, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

there aren't many corners in the league better than Champ in since Champ came in, whether you like it or not.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 15, 2009 4:11 PM

TT lapping balls again. Champ is a d-bag and so is TT.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Suggs: But I did laugh when they brung in that center or whatever and put him at tackle.+++

He must be a product of the DC public schools.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 15, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Champ is good, no Leigh Torrance but he is a decent CB in this league.

Posted by: The_Spear | January 15, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Champ is good but the truth cannot be trusted to be impartial when anyone from UGA is involved. He will gladly bend over and drop trou for anyone that ever stepped foot on the campus.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Willaims to the Saints? WHO CARES!!!

He is still the most overated D.C. in the league......

His defenses consistantly caved here in Washington every year...Who cares about where they were ranked at times....They caved on late 4th Q drives all the time.

Then in Jacksonville...he pretty much destroyed that good defense and was one and done. (people wanted him for head coach here?...still laugh about that...)

So anyway...who cares where he goes thats old news round these parts.

HAIL!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 15, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse


At least there aren't any game changing punters this year.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | January 15, 2009 4:55 PM

That's actually too bad, because we could use one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2009 5:27 PM
==========================================
We had one. A game-changing punter isn't necessarily a good thing.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 15, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

So anyway...who cares where he goes thats old news round these parts.

HAIL!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 15, 2009 7:19 PM

Here, here!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's a crazy mock draft.

Alex Mack goes at number 11, and we get Eugene Monroe!1!!

The order is based off our NFL Power rankings...

*sigh*
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 15, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but the experts seemed to think he had a lot of potential. I think I mentioned him on RI at the time. Natch it was shot full of holes. The Falcons were pretty hapless. Did not seem like they would ever use him. Seemed like a good place to pluck some good players.

"At the time the Skins added Pete Kendall (August 2007), Harvey Dahl had played in only four games ... in his career ... not started ... one series on the offensive line ... special teams.

Dahl was an undrafted free agent (practice squad for the 49ers in 2006 ... picked up by Falcons in 2007 ... earned a starter spot this past off-season)."

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

4th, you watching 24? what you think? and you know what more ugly than ugly people? man made ugly people (genine halabaloo). LOVE chloe! for a second i thought she wasn't going to be in it...and was replaced by manmade ugly...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 10:55 AM

So far it is running slow to me.

I knew Tony wouldn't have turned to the dark side.

Chloe vs. Jeaninne Garfalo could be an interesting plot in the battle of weird nerd techies.

Where is the Diversity? 24 usually does good on this. But 4 hours in, I don't recall one single Black lead role. All the black people have been killed off! It just took a while.....

Other than that, it's still wait and see....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Let me clarify in this Obama world:

When I say 'Black' I mean Afro-Americans from America. Not Africans from africa or america.

(Did that sound rascist? I hope not.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"His defenses consistantly caved here in Washington every year...Who cares about where they were ranked at times...

Posted by: leevi98"

Except at the single most paramount, critical, pressure-packed, and against-the-odds situation since our last Super Bowl.

The job Gregg Williams did with this defense following Sean Taylor's murder will never be forgotten by me. That defense played outside its mind without 3 starters and best player, and nearly single-handedly carried this team past round 1 of the playoffs until Todd Collins threw the game away.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks GG will make things a lot better in NWO?

NWO had the 23rd ranked defense last year. They played the 5th easiest schedule (opp winning percentage 0.449) and finished 8-8. They gave up 29 points TO THE REDSKINS! The defense was awful.

Maybe Grilliams can make them better, but ya gotta think that talent -- lack of talent -- has something to do with how truly bad the defense was.

Given how easy the schedule was, and how poor the defense was, is Grilliams doing well if NWO's defense is in the top half of the league next year?


Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2009 2:19 PM

Any improvement out of the defense and they're in the playoffs. Gregg Williams proved he didn't need talent to make his defense effective - just discipline. Remember LaVar being replaced by William Holdman?

The Saints have the top offense in the league with their dink and dunk passing to the backs. For the last three years they have given up a total of just 52 sacks (23 in 2005, 16 in 2006, and 13 in 2007).

If Williams has any say, they will draft Mays out of USC - unlike Casserly, Williams builds his defense around safeties.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 16, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

If Williams has any say, they will draft Mays out of USC - unlike Casserly, Williams builds his defense around safeties.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 16, 2009 12:24 AM
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He'll have to do that next year then, Mays has gone back to school.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 16, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I disagree with your 'band-aid' take. I believe both Runyan and Thomas, the iggles starting tackles are free agents. They are both older than our tackles but Runyan has been less injured than Jansen. At 35 he is better than both Jansen and Heyer. The iggles continue to suck running the ball but often give McNabb a split-second longer than JC in the same type of offense. If the 'skins are looking for a band-aid, they may look here.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 16, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

"and assuming Taylor resigns for a much smaller contract at age 34. Then perhaps this was not "wasted"."

Posted by: periculum

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If Taylor didn't perform this year, why do you think he'll perfom in '09 for less money after being released and resigned? I doubt he'd make the team next year, in the event that this wierd scenario you mention took place. There's a better chance of seeing him in Gigli II with J.Lo than in a Redskin's Uniform next year.

Posted by: guruvinny | January 19, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

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