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Gameday: The Eagles' zone blitz

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Doug Farrar of Football Outsiders and Smarter Stats breaks down the ways in which to beat the Eagles' zone blitz on the interactive Gameday for Eagles-Redskins.

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Not afraid of the Eagles... I'm afraid of the Redskins...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The best way to beat the Eagles' zone blitz would probably be to hire a new QB and O-line, but I don't know if there's time for that at this point.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 22, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

F the pigeons!

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Eagles gave up five sacks last week. I read that the corners played tight coverage with safeties helping over the top in a two deep zone and this shut down the Eagles passing game which is predicated on a lot of deep passes. The Skins should do the same thing with Smoot and Landry as safeties, Hall and Rogers at corner. Maybe the team should play with three safeties, using Doughty as a spy on Westbrook. Westbrook has been a thorn in our side in the past and if you take him out, the offense gets weak.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

it's too easy to say the Skins will lose on Monday. A loss on monday would clear everything up and truly show rock bottom, with a crowd that turns against our team and a lousy performance. That's too much of an easy road for this team to take. At least now, we're all resigned to the fate that this team is gonna suck for a long time. I predict they'll mess with our heads for the rest of the season. I predict a win on monday night, only because it'll eff with us that much more.

Posted by: kman2 | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

zone block > zone blitz?!

And someone confirmed Snyder is Scientologyny? That explains EVERYTHING. Their whole mind/matter stuff is textbook.

bubbamicies!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The best way to beat the blitz is to run right at them. Maybe a little later, try to get one deep on play action.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You got me I work for the Skins what a tool you are.

You have been saying for the last two days you want to root for someone else, so I say don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 11:48 AM

I have been trying to find a reason as to why I should continue my loyalty to Dan Snyder's Football Club.

I don't "want" to root for someone else. I "want" to root for a franchise that mirrors the tradition of the Jack Kent Cooke franchise that we all grew to love.

The only thing that Dan Snyder's Football Club has in common with the team I grew up loving, is the name "Redskins".

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

agreed RedSkinHead. i think a spy on Westbrook is IMPERATIVE. and i like ur idea that Doughty could do that. He's a sure tackler. Taking out 36 from their offense will REALLY tie their hands up. similar to oakland's gameplan last week.

Posted by: kman2 | October 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

hehe - loseable type ate my 'less than' sign before the 'greater than' sign.

The semi-rhetorical questino being: Does Zone Blocking address Zone Blitzing?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Eagles gave up five sacks last week. I read that the corners played tight coverage with safeties helping over the top in a two deep zone and this shut down the Eagles passing game which is predicated on a lot of deep passes.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

None of your corners is Nnamdi Asomugha.... Thereby is your problem described. Don't forget if DeSean Jackson doesn't borrow Carlos Rogers' hands as he streaked past him in last year's home game, Skins lose.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs II didn't work because Joe has lost the competitive fire and the genius for football. He'd rather have a character guy at quarterback than a young guy with the arm to make plays. He'd rather delegate tough decisions to his "assistant head coaches" than be the bad guy himself. And he's never had a great eye for personnel. Gibbs III will be worse than Gibbs II.

Posted by: jksesq1 | October 22, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse


Screw you and anyone else taking a crap on Gibbs.

Gibbs 1.0 - Had a great owner who knew how to be involved w/out meddling and endear the fanbase to the team. Had a great personnel guy in bobby Beathard.

Gibbs 2.0 - Had to work with Cerrato and Snyder.


When Gibbs was involved in this organization the Skins went to the playoffs in 2 out of the 4 years he was here.

Considering he was able to do that AND work on the side to contain the Snerrato Virus from running amouk over Redskins Park, the man's second stint here is arguably more impressive than his first.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Eagles gave up five sacks last week. I read that the corners played tight coverage with safeties helping over the top in a two deep zone and this shut down the Eagles passing game which is predicated on a lot of deep passes.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

None of your corners is Nnamdi Asomugha.... Thereby is your problem described. Don't forget if DeSean Jackson doesn't borrow Carlos Rogers' hands as he streaked past him in last year's home game, Skins lose.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 12:03 PM |

True, and the Redskins corners NEVER play tight. They are the kings of the 10 yard cushion.

Our DBs play off the WRs of the other team like scared little boys playing in a man's game.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I have been trying to find a reason as to why I should continue my loyalty to Dan Snyder's Football Club.

I don't "want" to root for someone else. I "want" to root for a franchise that mirrors the tradition of the Jack Kent Cooke franchise that we all grew to love.

The only thing that Dan Snyder's Football Club has in common with the team I grew up loving, is the name "Redskins".

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

No one here cares if you stop rooting for the redskins or not. Quit talking about what you are going to do and just do it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 22, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

sports,

Thats what you root for the Redskins, it doesn't matter who the owner is or how bad they are.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

i dont think zone blocking addresses zone blitzing. but i really have no idea...here's my take.
zone blocking is a form of blocking in which multiple linemen block the same DL (think overload to one side), as opposed to man blocking where one guy is assigned to a DL. It benefits offensive lines and RBs that are more agile, not 350 lb. fata$$ linemen.

zone blitzing is where DLs drop back into coverage and others who are in coverage blitz.

Posted by: kman2 | October 22, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for another "this team plays to the level of their opponent" blog comment. That's as probably as idiotic as what McNabb says after each loss to the Redskins: "We lost, but we're the better team." Of course, this coming from a man who doesn't know the rules of NFL timeouts or overtime periods. Superman, maybe once; adequate intelligence, never.

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs is not the solution... He was calling the shots when he was coach & we were still mediocre... Yes we all love him, but it's time to move on. We need a younger GM that will be here for the long haul & Dan Snyder is going to have to show some patience for a change & get out of the way.

Next year could be the most important year in FRANCHISE HISTORY... Dan Snyder I hope understands that status quo is not going to put fans in the seats... I truly believe if a drastic change doesn't come... We will have the first Redskins blackout in the team's long history.

We need a GM to come in & immediately show the players who the boss is... Make Clinton Portis a casualty of war, cut him to show that no player is untouchable (This worked for Daniels in Denver) ... Then immediately rebuild the offensive line with FA & draft. Using the uncapped year to our advantage, he should get rid of any bad contracts (Betts, Portis, Thomas, Samuels who will retire, etc etc).

If we keep status quo & Dan just goes out & throws a bunch of money at FA's without restoring discipline to the organization from the top down then they are going to have a lot of empty seats come September 2010. I have been to every Redskins game the last 3 years & finally this past week, I decided I wasn't going anymore until Vinnie Cerrato is no longer the GM... I couldn't even give my Chiefs tickets away... what do you think will happen in March when ticket renewals start to become due?

Posted by: tony325 | October 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what kinds of things Gruden is going to say about the Skins during the telecast.

He's been mentioned as a front-runner to coach and work with both Snyder and Cerratto.

I can see Jaws and Tirico ripping the Skins to high-heaven, and I wonder if Gruden will just sit there quietly or what...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Guru - having been out of Washington for 20 years, my perspective from far away is skewed - I didn't really realize just how bad an owner Snyder was until I started hanging out in places like RI.

That said; Football is entertainment - this team is nothing if not entertaining right now, in a train wreck sort of way. True, you can't be proud to root for them, but at least you're never bored.

And if that doesen't work, as Michael Jagger always says:

"you can't always get what you want"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

That said; Football is entertainment - this team is nothing if not entertaining right now, in a train wreck sort of way. True, you can't be proud to root for them, but at least you're never bored.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse


The ownership might be an entertaining train wreck...

The football is atrocious and barely worth watching...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

A GM that knows his stuff is needed.

However, I disagree vigourously that the Team needs to be blown up.

There are quite a few familiar/prominent names that need to go or be benched, but by no means, does the Redskins need to have a yard sale.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The evidence to date shows that while JC "just playing" the game -- the rest of those around him are trying to do their best to professionally compete and win.

The sooner this psychologically impaired headcase is gone, the better!!

Posted by: V

Which professionals around him are you referring to? Portis? Rinehart? The three 2nd round losers still stinking up the joint? Management undercutting the coaches? Snyderatto picking an inexperienced and in-over-his-head coach in the first place?

Your desktop psychoanalysis notwithstanding, what Redskin quarterback has flourished under Zorn? How DO you flourish with Vinny ignoring the line needs, with crybaby Portis not practicing, and Moss and Cooley the only viable receivers you’ve got?

Can't believe he's not better. After all his coach threw blocking dummies at him and told him to scoonch down when he threw.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

A GM that knows his stuff is needed.

However, I disagree vigourously that the Team needs to be blown up.

There are quite a few familiar/prominent names that need to go or be benched, but by no means, does the Redskins need to have a yard sale.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse


The offense needs to get blown up - plain and simple.

Who do you keep from this offense?

Cooley, Santana Moss, Dockery, you have to keep CP26 b/c of his contract but you need to turn the backfield into a platoon situation, anyone else really worth keeping???

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

And if that doesen't work, as Michael Jagger always says:

"you can't always get what you want"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 12:14 PM

He doesn't always say that. Sometimes he says "I can't get no satisfaction."

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

And someone confirmed Snyder is Scientologyny? That explains EVERYTHING. Their whole mind/matter stuff is textbook.

bubbamicies!

Posted by: DikShuttle


That's a serious accusation. Either back it up, or shut up. Because if he is, I'm no longer a Redskin fan.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I have been trying to find a reason as to why I should continue my loyalty to Dan Snyder's Football Club.

I don't "want" to root for someone else. I "want" to root for a franchise that mirrors the tradition of the Jack Kent Cooke franchise that we all grew to love.

The only thing that Dan Snyder's Football Club has in common with the team I grew up loving, is the name "Redskins".

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:01 PM

No one here cares if you stop rooting for the redskins or not. Quit talking about what you are going to do and just do it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 22, 2009 12:09 PM

sports,

Thats what you root for the Redskins, it doesn't matter who the owner is or how bad they are.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 12:09 PM

PortisPocketsStr8 and Flounder21,

It's blind followers like the two of you that allow The Danny to keep trashing our time honored traditions.

It is up to us as fans (the only ones that can stand up to The Danny) to protest. If we simply root root root, and don't show our displeasure, NOTHING will ever change.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

And someone confirmed Snyder is Scientologyny? That explains EVERYTHING. Their whole mind/matter stuff is textbook.

bubbamicies!

Posted by: DikShuttle

Come on, boy, use your head, not your Dik. Do you really believe Daniel Snyder would be a member of anything that required him to give them 10% of his money?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

And if that doesen't work, as Michael Jagger always says:

"you can't always get what you want"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

Yes, but the problem is when you don't "get what you need."

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Guru - having been out of Washington for 20 years, my perspective from far away is skewed - I didn't really realize just how bad an owner Snyder was until I started hanging out in places like RI.

That said; Football is entertainment - this team is nothing if not entertaining right now, in a train wreck sort of way. True, you can't be proud to root for them, but at least you're never bored.

And if that doesen't work, as Michael Jagger always says:

"you can't always get what you want"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

You are correct about never being bored... but I want to win, and I want to be able to feel good about the way we got there.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

corky, how did rhino play when he was in there?? Did you see him??

There is a systemic problem, from the plays being called, to the formations that the plays are being run out of. If they were scoring 40 points a game despite these guys would indicate individual failure, however they're not, so the system is the root of the failure.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You are correct about never being bored... but I want to win, and I want to be able to feel good about the way we got there.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:30 PM

Go root for Denver.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

guru - I know - don't know what to tell you on that - because, I too, have given up hope for the time being. I'll continue to watch, because it's what I do, but I expect little

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Thats what you root for the Redskins, it doesn't matter who the owner is or how bad they are.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 12:09 PM

Okay, let's say Danny gets fed up and sells the Redskins to Osama bin Laden. Still a fan? Will you be at FedEx singing:

Hail to Osama
Hail Victory
Seventy-six virgins
We fight for Old D.C.


Madness is afoot in Redskinsville.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It's blind followers like the two of you that allow The Danny to keep trashing our time honored traditions.

It is up to us as fans (the only ones that can stand up to The Danny) to protest. If we simply root root root, and don't show our displeasure, NOTHING will ever change.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:28 PM |

Danny doesn't get a penny of my money, so me rooting from my house in no way helps Danny.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

One advantage that the skins may have is that the eagles may not know what the hell to expect on monday. The skins probably don't know what to expect from themselves either.....which might be a good thing.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

A GM that knows his stuff is needed.

However, I disagree vigourously that the Team needs to be blown up.

There are quite a few familiar/prominent names that need to go or be benched, but by no means, does the Redskins need to have a yard sale.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

_____________________________________

Offensively they need to be blown up... New O-line except Dockery... new RB, new QB... but fix the O-line first & foremost... even a decent QB can be successful with a dominant O-line.

Posted by: tony325 | October 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I can see Jaws and Tirico ripping the Skins to high-heaven, and I wonder if Gruden will just sit there quietly or what...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:12 PM

I think a close-up look at this disaster area will convince Gruden that any other head-coaching job would be preferable.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

GIBBS RETURN?

"And Snyder has enough money to persuade people to reverse course. But it seems that Joe Jackson Gibbs is busy elsewhere at the moment."--RI


A large check to leukemia research might be Snyder's carrot.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let's say Danny gets fed up and sells the Redskins to Osama bin Laden. Still a fan? Will you be at FedEx singing:

Hail to Osama
Hail Victory
Seventy-six virgins
We fight for Old D.C.


Madness is afoot in Redskinsville.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 12:34 PM |

Actually yes I would still be a fan, and hopefully someone would kill BinLaden the minute he stepped of the plane.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

PortisPocketsStr8 and Flounder21,

It's blind followers like the two of you that allow The Danny to keep trashing our time honored traditions.

It is up to us as fans (the only ones that can stand up to The Danny) to protest. If we simply root root root, and don't show our displeasure, NOTHING will ever change.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru, I'll just say I'm not a blind follower of Dan Snyder.

If you want to do something to show Dan that you're angry with how things are going, that's fine, I'm all for that. I am just as frustrated.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

1. Skins suck,lose to Detroit.

2. FO brings in another set of eyes.

3. Skins suck, lose to KC.

4. FO takes play calling away from Z.

5. Largent blarsts FO.

6. FO takes play calling relay away from Z.

7. ?

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Rhino played 'serviceable'.....Not bad, not great....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

thanks 4th...essentially he was given 2 games before the genius FO wanted to get Mike Williams in there...so how can we say one way or another, if he can't play?? is that really the length of time that we're going to base our assessment of him on??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

With all the play-calling drama, wouldn't it be great if JC17 just ignored the calls coming from Sherm Lewis and ran his own stuff on the field?

Would Zorn pull JC17 from the game if he did that?

If Zorn did not, would Snerrato come to the lockerroom at halftime and fire Zorn on the spot and bench Campbell on the spot?

We've talked about midseason coaching changes, it would be the first ever mid-GAME coaching change!

And it would be on nat'l TV!!

C'mon JC17 and Zorn do it!!! You know you guys are finished here in DC, so don't go out like punks!!! Go out with a bang!!!

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

B Mitch says: "how confusing and strange is it going to be for the guy who was calling the plays to take plays from someone else, and is it ever going to get to the point where he sees something, and Jim Zorn takes a call from Sherm Lewis that he just really doesn't want to call? What happens then? "

Commenting on such a 15 second delay, with the clock ticking down, Sigmund Freud defined the problem: "While the patient may perceive that her physician is impatient for a recovery, the natural progression of the disease process leads to more disintegration and retarded recovery. The patient is penalized by her physician's expectation of completed behavioral alteration; the alteration is incompelete."

- Civilization and its delay [of game]

Posted by: ElYeah | October 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you p1funk -- Campbell's best move pregame would be to yank that speaker out of his helmet ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I know it was a Leiber-Stoller tune, but the Rolling Stones also warned us about the perils of poison ivy...

I've been trying for days now to work Micheal Wolgenheimer into a post up here, but failing. The joke was that Wolgenheimer is this white dude who seems benign but is really utterly terrifying... do I have this right? So when someone gets wolgenheimered he's clobbered unexpectedly by something that didn't seem to be a threat.

Hmm... how about this: "Man, I'd love to see Stephon Heyer wolgenheimer Trent Cole on Monday night, but it ain't gonna happen."

Hey, c'mon now, this ain't easy, people...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you p1funk -- Campbell's best move pregame would be to yank that speaker out of his helmet ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse


If JC17/Zorn did something like that, I would consider them true Redskin heroes regardless of what turn their careers take after this stint...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if the Largent story is true, that Vinny whipped out Zorn's contract and showed him who was boss.

But, it doesn't matter.

Why? Because perception is reality.

It seems believable that this happened. This came from a credible person who is closely tied to Zorn.

Zorn will deny it. Of course, he'll be paid plenty to leave and its much easier to say kind things with an extra $3million in your pocket.

But every potential Redskin coaching prospect will know this story. They'll look at how the HC stint for Snyder set back the careers of Zorn, Turner, Marty and Spurrier.

Which means many good HC prospect will look at the job and not want it.

It will go to someone strong enough to force out Vinny or to someone who needs a last paycheck before retirement.

No one will take this job on a handshake. It will be lawyers and more lawyers, making sure every term is secure and every possible exit is parachuted.

When respect requires a legal team to negotiate it, there really isn't much respect.

The move to force Zorn out of play calling is correct. The manner in which it was done isn't.

What this front office has bought is a lack of respect and a lack of goodwill. It will show up in what promises to be an entertaining and problematic search for the next head coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

To all the Sherm Lewis detractors:

12:13:22 pm Philadelphia coach Andy Reid on Redskins offensive consultant Sherm Lewis: "Sherm (Lewis) is a bright guy and has been very instrumental in my career." Reid coached with Lewis in Green Bay from 1992-1993.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I feel sorry for Zorn if we have an offensive explosion for the game.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, c'mon now, this ain't easy, people...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 12:49 PM

That's why we're asking you to do it. Most of the rest of us just sit around and pick the low-hanging fruit, or wait for it to fall from the tree, or just steal it from someone who has picked it.

Hey! That gives me an idea: Let's all line up and attack Barno!

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Only one man can restore credibility to the Redskins...Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm uncomfortable with the name change, League-Source, but I think it's because your previous handle had such heft, I mean, you were the blog's official talent evaluator, that's what you did, we could count on it, we needed that up here. Now you've kind of slipped into a more shadowy area... I'm change-averse, it's one of the many reasons I'm a poor fit for this New Economy in which we're livin', but I'm doing my best to cope...

I'm off the Barno thing, I felt like a deuche for piling on the other day, especially after Poopy came out of nowhere and just flat-out wolgenheimered him...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

its annoying that we have to listen to all this stuff about how stupid we are and Gibbs coming and blah blah.....why is it even a dang question, Snyder just go pay Bill Pollian or Pioli whatever they want and enjoy being in the playoffs every year starting in 3 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I'll offer my services to a) stand on the sidelines and not have any responsibility b) answer every question as forthrightly and goofily as possible while refusing to say my play calling used to suck and c) refuse to quit to become a national symbol for emasculation all for 250k per year.

I'm a bargain.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 22, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm change-averse....

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 1:00 PM

I remember you. You were the dude who posted about four times that you wished you'd used "He Nate Me" as your screen name. Finally you tried it. For about three posts. Then you broke out in hives from the self-shock and you went back to NateinthePDX.

Anyway, talent_evaluator is gone. He wasn't getting it done, so now I'm calling his plays for him.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

its annoying that we have to listen to all this stuff about how stupid we are and Gibbs coming and blah blah.....why is it even a dang question, Snyder just go pay Bill Pollian or Pioli whatever they want and enjoy being in the playoffs every year starting in 3 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009

Gibbs as president and minority owner/stake-holder, completely in charge of football operations, hires an up-and-coming GM. Together they hire the HC, and together those three hire coaches and select the talent. That model should work. Gibbs cares about the Redskins and has integrity. Something Danny sorely lacks.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know M_WOLGENHEIMER_EMAIL_ADD??

Posted by: MARTY_S_EMAIL_ADD | October 22, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Eagles gave up five sacks last week. I read that the corners played tight coverage with safeties helping over the top in a two deep zone and this shut down the Eagles passing game which is predicated on a lot of deep passes.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

None of your corners is Nnamdi Asomugha.... Thereby is your problem described. Don't forget if DeSean Jackson doesn't borrow Carlos Rogers' hands as he streaked past him in last year's home game, Skins lose.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 12:03 PM |

Asomugha went out in the first quarter of the game with an eye injury and never returned last Sunday.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

None of your corners is Nnamdi Asomugha.... Thereby is your problem described. Don't forget if DeSean Jackson doesn't borrow Carlos Rogers' hands as he streaked past him in last year's home game, Skins lose.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 12:03 PM |

Asomugha went out in the first quarter of the game with an eye injury and never returned last Sunday.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Ooooh!!!!! Face!!!!!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 22, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I've never cared for the Redskins, not in all my 40-odd years of watching football. But things for you guys have gotten so awful, what with the inability to beat creampuff opponents in one of the easiest schedules in NFL history, that it's almost painful to watch. I have to wonder what kind of stats this team would have with a more normal schedule. And the whole thing with Snyder/management has become quite a soap opera.

Have to admit, though, it's not lacking for entertainment value.

Posted by: trailhiker85 | October 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Asomugha went out in the first quarter of the game with an eye injury and never returned last Sunday.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 22, 2009 1:09 PM

Eye injury? It was only one eye. Why didn't he come back?

The guy's a wimp. He lacks the determination and guts of a guy like Carlos Rogers who plays every week despite having no hands.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, trail hiker. What, did you hike on the Road Not Taken this morning, and end up at RI?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Don't forget if DeSean Jackson doesn't borrow Carlos Rogers' hands as he streaked past him in last year's home game, Skins lose"

the old shoulda, coulda, would deal eh....VC was just THIS close to drafting Brady in the 5th round of the 2000 draft...if we're playing that game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here’s What Happened:

The Redskins snap’s Detroit’s 19 game losing streak. There was a lot of bad coaching and playcalling involved. The offense had yet to get going. Sherm Lewis is brought in as an ‘Extra set of eyes.’

Here’s What I think:

About time. The Offense has been holding back a defense that has been better than years before. This defense is actually getting sacks and turning the ball over to the offense. This is one of the most anemic offenses in Redskins’ History.

Here’s What Happened:

Jim Zorn’s Offense has not improved two games later and game management also begins to spiral out of control. Although most media members fail to point out the coaching mismanagement when analyzing moves by Redskins Front office man Vinny Cerrato. Fans have become soo numb, that they can’t even boo any more and have become worst cynics than anyone covering Congress. So, because of that, Jim Zorn has been stripped of his play calling duties and even prevented from talking to Jason Campbell through the headsets.

Here’s What I think:

Jim Zorn is a good guy who gives you that good guy feeling when being interviewed. Too bad a good guy should not have been what Vinny was looking for. Instead he should have gotten a coach who was more involved with actual game day activities. Because, if better ‘Game Day’ Management was in place, the Redskins could easily be 4-2 with the same exact play on the field.

Here’s What Happened:

Sherm Lewis has been handed the Play Calling duties after being here for 2 weeks and being out of Football 5 years.

Here’s What I think:

This is damning on Zorn. That Management would rather have a guy out of football for 5 years than have the HC/OC call the plays. Management had to do some serious shaking up, but feared no one was ready to step to the plate on Zorn’s staff. The Offensive Coordinator, by the way, had ZERO experience in the WCO. Sherm Lewis has over 20 years in the WCO system and learned it at the foot of Bill Walsh. Lewis also has 4 Superbowl rings.

Here’s What Happened:

ESPN/Bloggers and everyone in between are making fun that Sherm Lewis was calling BINGO games and delivering Meals-On-Wheels.

Here’s What I think:

The age of the internet has everyone thinking they can be the Big Bad Wolf. I fail to understand how this can be funny after the 2nd or 3rd time you hear this joke. I would rather see what he has 1st before running him through the mud…Washington Style. This man should and will be respected. He’s one of us now, so you/we should be hoping him to succeed vs. the other way. Zorn will be fired irregardless on Tuesday and the Beat will go on. Because everyone will then be fighting for their jobs. From Vinny to the Players to the Coaching staff.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

.VC was just THIS close to drafting Brady in the 5th round of the 2000 draft...if we're playing that game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:15 PM |

I still don't understand why he took Laron Landry instead of Adrian Peterson, do you?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is toast after this game no matter what the outcome. If the Redskins win, then Zorn was a bad play-caller and oh, aren't Danny and Vinny geniuses for making the switch. If the Redskins lose, it is just the final round of incompetence in a long string of incompetence.

If the Redskins win, the Snyder fires Zorn the next day. If the Redskins lose, Snyder fires Zorn before he leaves the ballpark.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

and, if there is a tie?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Here’s What Happened:

Sherm Lewis has been handed the Play Calling duties after being here for 2 weeks and being out of Football 5 years.

Here’s What I think:

This is damning on Zorn.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:16 PM |

I think it's damning on management -- Snyder and Cerrato -- not Zorn. They should have hired this guy and had him report to Zorn. They've put the man in a position where he can't possibly add value.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Get Ready for the bid turn around folks on Monday..." Our season is about to begin"

SKINS 28 Eagles 23

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I highly doubt there is any chance they win this game but I agree, Zorn was essentially fired Sunday night. He's in an impossible position, offense improves? he's an idiot, win? he's an idiot, lose? its still his fault, no matter what they have shifted everything on him. Hopefully the other shoe will drop on Vinny shortly....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Lewis is here to serve Post-Zorn, which began Last Sunday night. Zorn will be gone Tuesday. Not to serve on his incompetent staff who will continue to be employed until the end of the season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is toast after this game no matter what the outcome.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse


I agree.

Which is why I suggested a fantastic "exit strategy" for Zorn and JC17 (who is also done in DC).

On Monday night, JC17 ignores the plays being called by Sherm Lewis and runs his own stuff from the field.

Jim Zorn refuses to pull JC17 from the game.

At halftime we are likely to see the first-ever in-game head coaching change in NFL history when Snerrato storms into the lockerroom at halftime and fires Zorn on the spot and benches Campbell.

Zorn could not be denied his contract money b/c he was not calling the plays and b/c, by agreement, he retained the right as head coach to make the call on who plays at QB.

Word leaks out after the game about how JC17 and Zorn took their manhood back from Snerrato on nat'l TV, and they become local folk heroes in Skins lore...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Marty S called Snyder "Daniel"? That was cool.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 22, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Gray addresses rumors
By Ryan O'Halloran on Oct. 22, 2009 into Redskins 360

Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray held his weekly interview session -- his third in place of Greg Blache and before the cameras started rolling, Gray acknowledged he's heard rumors that he would be the interim coach should Jim Zorn get fired.
"The thing is, you just have to let it go and you have to do what you do," he said. "I know what my job is here and that’s to make sure they don’t score touchdowns. That’s what we have to make sure we stay focused on and not worry about what everybody else is doing. I tell my guys all the time, if we start looking over our shoulders and we get hit, we’re in trouble."
Gray said he went through a similar situation in Buffalo four years ago. As the defensive coordinator, Mike Mularkey was the embattled head coach who was eventually fired.
"This is not really new," Gray said. "This kind of happened in Buffalo a little bit and the thing you got to do is take from that experience. Trust me, I’m a lot better coach this time around. I understand things do happen but you have to make sure you stay focused and that’s one thing I didn’t do in Buffalo that I will do this time."
It was a bizarre situation in the locker room because we're asking defensive players about Gray's coaching style and they were playing along. Everybody in the building is aware of the situation should Zorn get fired.
-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: TWISI | October 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

1:19:36 pm Redskins defensive backs coach Jerry Grey on using CB Fred Smoot at safety: "It gives us a chance to match up better against three-receiver sets."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm surprise the 'Redskin Insider' has yet to discuss Chris Horton's fall from grace.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

1:26:32 pm The Eagles are loaded with offensive weapons, and the Redskins know you can't stop them all. "You can't focus on one guy or the others will beat you. You just try to minimize their touches," defensive backs coach Jerry Grey said.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

still don't understand why he took Laron Landry instead of Adrian Peterson, do you?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Because CP26 and Dan Snyder share a bunk bed.

If AP got drafted you could bet that our resident RB prima-donna would have had the tantrum to end all tantrums...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm 100% with you P1Funk - now, how do we get this plan to Campbell/Zorn?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Interview with JC's college OC... YMMV.
nfl.com

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm 100% with you P1Funk - now, how do we get this plan to Campbell/Zorn?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Does anyone have JIM Z email/add?

Does anyone have JASON C email/add?

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

te/ls, what makes you think that JZ would have used what Lewis was saying/offering to help?? He's under the impression that its not him, but the players who aren't performing.

This is the 2nd season of this offense, and its still a collussal failure. Blame the OL, blame JC, but it still STINKS and that falls ULTIMATLY at the feet of the Head Coach. As Gannon just stated, its STILL VANILLA 23 games in, and we're still running vanilla at practice thats telling. As Hoge stated, they were running patterns that PLAY INTO giving ZONE COVERAGE the advantage, this is a case of 1 or 2 things. Either the HC doesn't get it, how to attack a defense, or doesn't scheme for what the defense is doing. Fact JC is best out of the shotgun, yet he's still lining up under center.....why??

Not to mention that JZ still contends that he's calling plays that should work. Really?? Where?? Cuz they ain't working on Sunday. Something had to give, and based on how poorly this offense was performing, this was it.

Largent can fight for his boy all he wants, but this offense sucks, and has sucked under JZ...there hasn't been improvement....ANYWHERE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Marty would be a better GM than Gibbs. Pair Marty with the Steeler's old coach (the chin - I can't remember his name) and we might have something.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 22, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm 100% with you P1Funk - now, how do we get this plan to Campbell/Zorn?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Seriously, isn't there some kind of "Redskins Greatest QBs" event happening this week where Campbell will make an appearance and mingle with the masses?

Someone just needs to relay the plan to him...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

1:31:13 pm When the Redskins meet the Eagles Monday, the main targets for both teams will come from the tight end position. TE Chris Cooley leads the Redskins in receptions with 27, while TE Brent Celek leads the Eagles with 30.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sonny would be perfect - this would be right up his alley - got his e-mail address?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Continuing Coverage of DEBACLE '09

The DEBACLE continues

Stay tuned for more coverage of DEBACLE '09

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Ms. Boren - if we can come up with a detailed, super secret plan for Jason to audible all plays Monday, can the Mayor sneak it into Redskin Park? Like hide it under a rock somewhere, and we can give JC coded directions to find the plan?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Not afraid of the Eagles... I'm afraid of the Redskins...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 11:48 AM

I'm only afraid of clowns and mimes, but I've said it before and I'll say it again ... past is not prologue ESPECIALLY when it comes to intra-divisional rivals. I'm ready for a VIOLENT game.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for posting.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about the Redskins Greatest QBs event that JC17, Sonny and others will be appearing at???

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Lewis is here to serve Post-Zorn, which began Last Sunday night. Zorn will be gone Tuesday. Not to serve on his incompetent staff who will continue to be employed until the end of the season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:25 PM

And you think this makes Zorn look bad? No way. They've managed to shift the blame from Zorn (who did look bad) to themselves. Wait to see how ESPN tells the story on Monday night. And then when Lewis takes over, do you think that will turn the season around?

Lewis won't do any better than Zorn did and it will all blow up in Vinnie and Dan's faces.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm 100% with you P1Funk - now, how do we get this plan to Campbell/Zorn?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:30 PM

John, I think P1Funk types the plan, double spaced, and seals it an a plain envelope, addressed simply to "#17."
He bypasses the U.S. Postal Service, because they just haven't been getting the job done, and drives it to Ashburn.
He finds JReid, who hand delivers it to Zorn, as Zorn is now in charge of the mail room.
Zorn sees "#17" on the envelope, and promptly throws it under the bus. Then he picks it back up, finds JC, and voila! Message delivered.
Simple, really.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Having S. Lewis as a OC was the best thing that could happen to zorn. It clear Zorn could not handle calling plays. So, now the way I see it at least we have a system in place like other NFL teams.

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's What Happened:

4th Floor validated a tiresome weekly blog-filler practice that just repeats what The Mayor has already said.

Here's What I Think:

I'm hungry, I'm only half way through a three hour conference call that is in a 5 minute pee break, and I can't get lunch till 3.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

True, and the Redskins corners NEVER play tight. They are the kings of the 10 yard cushion.

Our DBs play off the WRs of the other team like scared little boys playing in a man's game.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 22, 2009 12:08 PM


That is not entirely true. Rogers and Tryon play Press Man/Bump and Run/some form of tight man coverage quite a bit. Hall and Smoot line up so far off their man they are practically in the locker room.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 22, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS ANNOUNCE “PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM” PROMOTION

With several thousand tickets left to sale and facing up to the prospect of several thousand more no shows for Monday night's football game, the Washington Redskins are pulling out all of the stops to attract more fans for the visiting team through a special “Philadelphia Freedom” promotional event.

The event will feature several special musical guests, as well as the world premiere of the first five minutes of a much-anticipated new documentary drama about another music icon. Everyone attending will be encouraged to wear either the Philadelphia team colors or basic black –- in commemoration of the recent death of Michael Jackson.

Bruce Springsteen will launch the special halftime show with his Academy Award winning “Streets of Philadelphia,” the theme song from the movie about a homosexual lawyer who fights on despite suffering from AIDS. Next up, gay music icon Elton John will sing “Philadelphia Freedom,” a song he dedicated to tennis icon Billie Jean King. Finally, in a special promotional crossover with Paramount Pictures, Hollywood actor and team toadie Tom Cruise will introduce a five-minute film clip from the soon to be released “This Is It,” the much anticipated film about the final days of the musically gifted but sexually ambiguous Michael Jackson.

In other team news, Redskins Head Coach Jim Zorn has decided to alternate quarterback play during Monday night’s game -- and start Tom Collins for the first half, and wait until the second hald to give Jason Campbell the football.

Zorn explained, “I think we have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jason’s play in the first half of all of our games has been downright atrocious, while it’s only marginally better in the second half. So we’ll make it easier for him and allow his to just focus on being ready for the second half.”

He continued, “We’re also hoping that with all of this music we’re piping into the locker room from the halftime show, Jason might find it easier to get into his rhythm too.”

The coach also unveiled plans for the upcoming by-week that will follow the expected loss to the Eagles. Recognizing that the team wasted nearly all its pre-season training time simply trying to decide whether to cut Colt Brennan or Chase Daniel (both of whom have since left the team) –- while also resting all of the starters and primary backups, Zorn has decided that his team needs to “go back to basics” and “focus on fundamentals.”

Therefore he has scheduled two-a-day practice sessions for the next two weeks to focus on the fundamentals of blocking, tackling, running, passing and personal physical conditioning.

However, team prima donnas Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth have already declined to participate, explaining that as overpriced veterans who enjoy a “special relationship” with team owner Dan Snyder, they “don nede no eff-in practis.”


Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

leaguesource:

"Eye injury? It was only one eye. Why didn't he come back?

The guy's a wimp.

He lacks the determination and guts of a guy like Carlos Rogers who plays every week despite having no hands."


Very funny.

Analysis:

Sarcastic and biting and mean-spirited.

And when swished around in the mind, it makes the point that some teams have stars who produce even though handicapped.

And the redskins have stars who don't produce because they are handicapped.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

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