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Gerard Warren (Updated)

Heard from a few league sources today that the Skins are among the teams who have talked to Denver about Warren. Word is the Broncos will ship him out for a 5th or 6th round pick.

(UPDATE: Hear the Skins and Denver have talked, but that the Broncos are the ones pushing the calls, they are shopping the player, thought the Redskins would have serious interest. Not true, though. Skins still want to look at who they have, and no pressing interest in him at all. Probably ends up in Indy is my guess. Okay here's some stuff from the original post to fill in any blanks)

The Redskins have some lukewarm internal scouting reports on him, from what I hear, and the coaches remain committed to fully evaluating the group of tackles they have - and Griffin sitting Sat. gave them a better chance to do that - and there are some concerns about Warren's contract and effort level. He takes too many plays off for their liking.

I don't think the Skins have nearly as much initial interest as some other clubs - Indy, Miami, Tenn. and N'Orleans are also fishing around on him, I hear. The Skins want to look at Montgomery and Salave'a in the next two preseason games and they still think they have the makings of a good line. Tthe Broncos didn't dress Warren for their last preseason game and seem to want to get rid of him ASAP.

I also hear Warren played most of last year with a dislocated/broken toe, which led to his lesser production. Regardless, the Broncos prefer others to him.


By Jason La Canfora  |  August 13, 2007; 3:10 PM ET
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Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: 1 | August 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Broncos took the gators D-line.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: I'm a re re | August 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

our defense is very solid. I wouldn't add anyone right now. I like our team. If anything we should have brandon lloyd before he was due the 2nd bonus of another $5mill

Posted by: bethesdaboy | August 13, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I would rather welcome back Kenard Lang

Posted by: chris larry | August 13, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take back Dexter "MANIMAL" Manley,

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 13, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

No more trades with the Broncos!! They know how to get the best of ole Danny boy.

Posted by: bigfish | August 13, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

i suck!!! i am committing robbery every other friday when my direct deposit hits my back account!!! you guys should cut me!!!

Posted by: brandon lloyd | August 13, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me for not knowing the Broncos Roster, but who in the heck is Gerard Warren? Its not like he's Jevon Kearse or Julius Peppers or Simeon Rice...

Help me out here... I don't feel like looking him up on Google/Wikipedia...

Posted by: E in VB | August 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Gerard T. Warren (born July 25, 1978 in Lake City, Florida), nicknamed "Big Money", is an American football player who currently plays defensive tackle for the Denver Broncos of the NFL. He was drafted out of the University of Florida with the third pick in the first round of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Cleveland Browns.

Taken third overall in the 2001 NFL Draft, Warren has in five seasons totalled only 19.5 sacks and 169 tackles, where as Shaun Rogers, taken in the second round that year, has totalled 296 tackles.

Warren is considered one of many Cleveland Browns draft day mistakes. He was taken ahead of much better talent, most notably Richard Seymour.

Posted by: The Wiki | August 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think the Pendulum of Concern has swung from the D line to the O line.

For the moment.

Until it swings in another direction.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What's with the 'first' thing? Don't have enough of a vocab to write something interesting? Morons will be morons.

And trading a pick for D-Line makes as much sense as trading for a RB last year with TJ. Maybe they should pick up someone who can block. Jansen was abused by the Titans.

Posted by: Gnome | August 13, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No one special. Gerard Warren is a typical Redskin signing mistake.

BigFish hit the nail on the head, no more trades with the broncos, EVER!!!

We give 3 times what we get.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

No thanks....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 13, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Any idea if there are any free agent guards out there still? Only name that comes to mind is Marco Rivera.

Posted by: bigfish | August 13, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Chris larry | August 13, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This would be classic Dan Snyder.

He'll trade for and sign Warren, who will then go on to be a huge bust and out of the organization in one year.

At least he's consistent.

Posted by: Fearless Freep | August 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Any chance this goes into the Simeon Rice, Aaron Schoebel and Michael Strahan "never was going to happen but it was still talked about a lot" file?

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | August 13, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

JLaC --

As the players get back to Redskin Park have you noticed a greater sense of urgency given the lackluster performance by the offense? Curious whether they are taking it as a wake-up call or brushing it off as a "learning experience."

Thanks for your hard work to keep us informed.

Posted by: CMoney | August 13, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Nate... O line needs help. All offseason you could hear it in the coaches tone and reading between the lines...

they kept saying they think they are fine a DL, more accurately D tackle... It looks as if Golston will be a solid player for a long time, with a healthy griff and Monty and Sally coming off the bench.. perfect.

The o-line they kept saying the words of doom... "we are going to try a few things there" which is a akin to saying we are going to coach em up....

So as others have stated, we need help at o line. whether that is a reliable back-up, maybe to push a starter, fine. Maybe Wade is a good Guard with Samuels back there... only time will tell... but we better get someone now until we find out the hard way against the dolphins

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Joe Gibbs | August 13, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Yep, classic Snyder trade screw-up written all over this. Please, just say no Danny.

Posted by: Ed | August 13, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse


Big Joe Salave'a looked good in the preseason opener and is valuable to the lockeroom and the rotation of DT's.


Posted by: no thanks | August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Jasno. Sounds much better.

Posted by: bigfish | August 13, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Gnome, I agree re: "first!" but when it happens, there are only a few seconds to get a post up before someone firsts it. I tried to panty up the firsting ... no time for vocab.

Another thought on what happened this weekend -- we are still getting only selected scenes from the playbook, particularly the scenes that do not involve rushing. Whether St. Joe was dissembling the Mike Wise article, I DO think that Saunders DOES get it -- he just hasn't shown it yet (in the one and ONLY preseason game).

From Wise article -

... Saunders gave a glimpse of what to expect, sounding very much in concert with Gibbs: "We believe you need to run the football to win," he said. "And that's where we start. Our offense is built around the running back. And how much you can do offensively is predicated on what the quarterback can do." ...

For me, the question is who that running back is going to be ... or more specifically, how they are going to spread the ball around during Portis re-entry into the atmosphere. In my eyes, Portis has always seemed to get BETTER as the game wears on -- his yards per carry actually IMPROVE after he's been taking a pounding for a while. How is he going to be able to get there with FEWER carries. These, my friends, are the Portis mysteries that must be solved. Will it be the DiGibbsi Code or the DiSaundersi Code (or will it have to be DiCommitti Code)?

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Come on, now. Whether due to our proximity to the salary cap or not, we have been MUCH more restrained this offseason than in any prior year under Mr. Snyder.

Granted, as recently as last year we blew like 700 trillion dollars on Archuleta and Lloyd and a guy with a 700-page book of magic tricks. And then went out in the preseason and chicken-littled ourselves an extra running back. And wound up with one first-day draft pick.

But I like to think we are learning, and that Gibbs is leading the way.

I vote NO on any splashy moves right now, when it's a seller's market in which any move would be too costly.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

After watching the game I began to wonder why it's so hard for our first team to get into the endzone. I haven't really been able to locate the problem; it's not anyone person or position. I know it's definitely not a lack of talent.
I've been thinking and I believe it's playcalling. I find it to be weak and very predictable. Now i know, people are going to say the counter tre 30 times is predictable, but it worked with Gibbs 1.0 and in 2005 and the end of last year.
I'm not saying the answers aren't in Saunders 700, but at the rate we've been going it might take a while to string some together that do work...


Posted by: Dman | August 13, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Dman, agreed. Looking at the stats from Saturday night, they actually attempt more running plays than passing plays. Portis, and more specifically, his yards after contact, was the missing part of the puzzle. What happened to Betts?

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Were they taking it easy on Betts for some reason? Preventative measures? Or just giving the other dudes more carries?

For what it's worth, I did like what we saw from Marcus Mason on Saturday.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Under the optimism conspiracy, Saunders wanted to put Jason Campbell in a LOT of tricky "act-don't-think" situations ASAP in the preseason to get lots of film with which to get into Campbell and his instincts.

[For pessimism conspiracies, see about 400 of the previous 900 posts.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Betts is an above average back, who excelled last year do to the Oline re-committing to knocking their guy's on their as*'s (SJK). Even with CP in, if there isn't a hole for him to burst through... let's just hope it's a play action fake.

Posted by: Dman | August 13, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate, my optimism conspiracy says they held back Betts b/c the RB roster numbers are kind of like the QB roster numbers, i.e., lots.

Two holes in this theory: (1) Betts still didn't do gain on his three (?) carries and (2) Dee Brown is somewhere with Carmen Sandiego. Blaylock and D.Brown are supposed to be the guys who know the Saunders O.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I would rather welcome back Kenard Lang
Posted by: chris larry | August 13, 2007 03:24 PM

I'd rather take back Dexter "MANIMAL" Manley,
Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 13, 2007 03:25 PM

Kenard Lang former 1st round draft pick of the Skins is a starting end for the Broncos. Dexter Manley has been out of football for a good long while now.

Posted by: periculum | August 13, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I think with Portis out they weren't taking any chances with Betts. He carried it 3 or 4 times before they took him out.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | August 13, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts. Four carries for six yards. Those numbers can't fall on the O-line alone. Portis has a post contact burst that just gets him started.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Everything will be fine this season. The 0-line is right where it needs to be. Portis will be ready to go when the season starts and the Defense will have no trouble with the pass rush.


Posted by: Kool-Aid Man | August 13, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

And just to put it in perspective.,.. offenses always have a harder time getting going in the preseason. Defense can just fly around, offense is predicated on timing and familiarity... that is why we have preseason folks...

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

sween, agreed. portis is much much better than betts. However, both would thrive behind competent lines.

Did we run the ball to the outside once? it seemed like all we did was off tackle or up the middle. I'd like to see CP/Betts/whoever turn the corner with Sellers leading the way. man i would not want to get hit by The Beast

Posted by: Dman | August 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Boop, Bebob

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing new to be said about Saturday. It was the first preseason game. The Skins won. Their already ahead of last preseason. Let's raise a toast to more success this week.

Woody Austin on Tiger Woods: "It just happens that he scored better. You can't throw away that many opportunities when you are trying to win a big golf tournament. He took advantage; I didn't. Does that mean he played better than me or he's better than me? I don't agree with that."

Was this dude channeling our own littery genius?

Posted by: LH | August 13, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse


I know my point was if were gonna get a Bronco D-linemen I want Lang not Warren...also our D-Line rotation is thinner at end....

I always loved Lang....never should have let him go...

Rumors have Broncos cutting him...

Posted by: CHRIS Larry | August 13, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Dman, I don't have TiVo, but according to that schematic by the guys at (who apparently do have TiVo), they only action to the outside was the screen to Cartwright for a gain of ten. Everything else was up the middle or off tackle. The Land of Guts and Power (home of Clinton Portis). Mostly crumbs yardage there last week. I wonder if the 750 pages even have a fullback draw. Sellers maybe doesn't get four yards, but he's usually good for two and half.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

this defense will not be able to blitz moving QBs! Vince Young would have had a field day.If you cant put pressure with front four(THEY CANT) some of the time PREPARE FOR LONG PAINFUL SEASON!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

They are going to have to take the hit on Lloyd this year I think. To avoid a mutiny.

Posted by: periculum | August 13, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

They are going to have to take the hit on Lloyd this year I think. To avoid a mutiny.

Posted by: periculum | August 13, 2007 05:18 PM

You can't take the hit if there is insufficient salary cap to do so. The league will not allow teams to spend more than the cap, either by cash or by accounting. The only way to make salary cap room to cut Lloyd this year is to cut other players who have potential salary cap savings.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I am going to wait until after the 3rd preseason game to draw any conclusions. Soups, however, is the real deal. I love the fact that he does not get flustered. I view Saturday's game as a success because we stayed healthy!

Posted by: Kenny H. | August 13, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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