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Get Well Wilbon

I didn't post anything about Mike Wilbon's recent heart attack on the blog because I wasn't sure what he wanted out there on the photosphere, but after reading his touching column today I wanted to let him know we are all thinking about him and praying for him.

There is no better class act in this business. Mike is the epitome of how it should be done and someone I have long looked up to as a journalist and as a person. He has been a friend to me since I arrived at the Post and he and Tony Kornheiser could not have shown me more caring and fun to work with.

It hasn't been the same on the Skins beat the last few years without Wilbon at all the games, but I look forward to catching up with him shortly. Get well Mike. You are the man.

Randoms: Tampa Bay will no make decision on its new RB coach until early next week. Skins RB Coach Earnest Byner - I forgot just what he stud he was with those Browns teams until watching those Denver highlights again on NFL Greatest Games this week - interviewed there last week, but the Bucs have another candidate coming in Monday. Someone will get offered the job after that ... The Redskins have every intention of interviewing New York DC Steve Sagnuolo after the Super Bowl, as we've been reporting. That interview could happen as soon as Monday and would likely occur by Tuesday at the latest, but nothing will be finalized until after the game ... Come on Mets. Pony up and get Santana signed and out of the AL. Love the idea of him not being a Yankee and my Sox keeping Lester, Buckholtz, Lowrie, and, especially, Jacoby.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 1, 2008; 1:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

First. Get well soon Wilbon.

Posted by: fawcett007 | February 1, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It'll take me a second here to do this.

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 1, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

z-man,

Maybe we should eliminate the front office all together and let the players run the team? We would NOT want to offend them!

Better yet we could have the front offices just hold the players packages while they pee. Those spare seconds could be used in order to have the players make more decisions they are unqualified to make.

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 01:32 PM

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the heat from Wilbon's mediotic article after the Sean Taylor tragedy proved to be too much for him. That's what happens when one publishes defamatory articles. What goes around comes around, although he didn't blasted by burglars in his own home.

Posted by: ntm4n | February 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

J-la, TOTALLY agree with you on the baseball stuff. Sox should make it another fun summah.

Disagree with you on Wilbon. He showed his true colors when ST was gunned down in his own home. Wilbon was, is, and will alway's be about Wilbon, and the agenda that he wants to push.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

We shouldn't be surprised by Wilbon's heart attack, when you lead the life he leads, this is to be expected . . .

Posted by: NCICURN | February 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No worries JLC, both sides are posturing. This generation's Sandy Koufax will be a Met for many moons.

My one thought is this: how in the world can you bring in a defensive HC when the head chef for defense is Greg Blache? Isn't the whole point there to run the same D? Spagnuto doesn't run that D. Why would he take that job and essentially have zero input into what he knows? Why aren't more people saying this?

Doesn't it have to be an offensive guy now that snyder, dan has already gone out and signed all these assistants?

By the way, I hate snyder, dan.

-ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon embraced this life, and refused to divorce himself from it.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Jasno--Wilbon a class act?? The class a$$ maybe.

Posted by: NCICURN | February 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

z-man,

The transition has been messy and unsettling, but it's only a transition. How the players ultimately respond depends on the new coaches.

Players could say "Dan did us a real favor by not listening to us." Or they could hate him as much as he's hated on this blog. It really depends on whether they like Zorn better than Saunders, Blache better than Williams, and Coach Yet-to-be-Named better than they think they would have liked Gregg Williams.

Talent, you make a fair point. It is how the players respond. But when your boss's boss disrespects you, usually it doesn't motivate you. Its one thing to be criticized or something like that. Its another when the people at the top of an organization say your opinion doesn't matter.

Every player will react differently. But Pierce is an example of someone who still has a very sore spot over what many would think should have been water under the bridge.

I'm just pointing out that disrespect -- whether its merited or not -- is a pretty major deal for players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon lambastes a man who died defending his family from a break-in during the night then goes to the hospital for choking down too many steak sandwhiches and we are supposed to feel bad for him?

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Go Jason! Sox Fan for life!

Posted by: harrisso | February 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Red Sox Suck!

They're no better than the Yankee's (in terms of spending and everything else) and their fans are actually worse.

Just call 'em the Evil Empire Jr.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

pmcp, sorry, even as high as the sox payroll was, the yanks still spent roughly 70+million more than the sox did. The yanks can seat roughly 20 thousand people more per game than the sox can. Yeah,I'm sure you'd agree that Baseball needs a Salary Cap, but the yanks are the WORST.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Red Sox Suck!

They're no better than the Yankee's (in terms of spending and everything else) and their fans are actually worse.

Just call 'em the Evil Empire Jr.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 1, 2008 01:40 PM


I agree with all but empire.

Call them an empire when they win more than 2 times in over 100 years.

Call me when they are even sniffing around the 20's

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

They're at #7. Got a long way's to go.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Sams -- I do see the point about the players calling the shots. 98% of the time, I agree. This time, I do think the players earned that right. Probably the only time in 40 years I've felt that way.

In football especially, the key is to become more than the sum of your parts. We've all seen talented teams underachieve -- some could argue that the Skins were like that when they got to 5-6. I wouldn't say that given the injuries and the young QB, but they weren't overachieving either.

But when Sean Taylor died, this team became something different. The players took this team to another level and it clearly was more than the sum of its parts. That IS the goal/hope for every organization.

The Pats are the best example. They are clearly more than the sum of their parts. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Whoever heard of Wes Welker before this year?

When the players/team take it to that level, they deserve a much stronger say. Because they have taken ownership. The guys speaking out for Williams were both thoughtful and passionate. Randle El was the person who was key for me, since he is on the offense ... and he was totally on board. You want a coach that the players respect, trust and believe in. These guys wanted GG because they wanted to win.

Usually, when a team is in that zone, the coach doesn't quit!!! So this is that rare situation when the players voices should have mattered.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

In reference to the Chad Johnson issue: No, no, no...Getting Johnson would require atleast a 2nd Round pick and it would be a big cap hit. Plus, there won't be enough balls to go around with Moss, Cooley, and Randle El in the mix. Johnson is used to catching 80-90 balls a year, I don't see that happening here. Somebody will start complaining, Moss? ARE? Cooley? There are more major issues to attend to besides getting another FA receiver. True, adding Johnson with the rest of the core WR's would be awesome, but it's not like Johnson is the missing piece of the puzzle for this team to be a SB contender.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If you even want to compare the Red Sox to the Yanks I won't listen to the argument until I'm in my 40's. I'm 24 now so if they win every world series from now until well into my 40's then maybe I'll listen.

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect from a man who grew up eating to much of the wrong food. He couldnt let go of it and it followed him around right up until it happened. Are we all shocked by this, Yes. Its a terrible tragedy but should we be surprised, No.

Posted by: dave197391 | February 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Go Yanks. F-the sawks.

Posted by: ptoro | February 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

z-man, Much better explaination, well put.

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Screw Wilbon. He certainly didn't care when #21 was shot. The world would have been a better place without Wilbon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 1, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"There is no better class act in this business"

I couldn't disagree with you more. I hope he gets better but F Wilbon. As I stated many times before will not watch or read anything that has to do with Wilbon.

No to Fassel!
Black thongs

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

PTI, but get well, Wilbon, you knucklehead!
lol

Posted by: dsda3731 | February 1, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

JM, good point. I hope he recovers, and gets back to full health, but what he did, was reprehensible, and when given the chance to apologize, he refused. POS in my book.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS

I'm totally in agreement. Same thing with Zorn. Coordinators taking a job, not really knowing what the job is. You'd hope then guys you hire would not be comfortable with that.

Either Zorn of Blache probably won't be calling the plays. But they don't know!! Its not even clear what scheme will be run on offense or defense.

Blache is ready to retire. And Danny says stick around for a couple million, I'm thinking that retirement could be a bunch nicer with that extra $$$. So I go with Plan B and stick around for the best paycheck i"ll ever get. If I'm happy, I can stay. If I'm not, its back to Plan A with a bigger bank account. For Blache, its a 'no lose' thing.

For Zorn, its kind of opposite, but with a similar result. If JLa was correct, Zorn wasn't going to see a promotion when Holmgren leaves. He was going to tread water at best -- and possibly get forced out. For Zorn, staying put was going to be risky. Plan A, moving up the chain when Holmgren left fell apart. So plan B meant leaving. Zorn did the smart thing and got out of dodge. In the process, he got himself a nice chunk of change and promotion.

And AMTTS, hope you can change your moniker this weekend. AMTTHOF would look really good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon - a class act?!?!? I'll give him the same sympathy he gave Sean - none. And I'm not surprised by this at all. Wilbon was probably a thug who associated with bad people as a youth so this was bound to happen. He has still never apologized for his wrong assumptions about Sean and now he writes a column hoping people for bad for him? This heart attack was just his lifestyle catching up with him - just like he assumed (wrongfully) about Sean. RIP 21.

Posted by: austin987654 | February 1, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

And F the Capitals for not having the cool black Ovechkin jersey in my size in case I have to turn to hockey.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Get well Mike.

"With malice towards none, and charity towards all..."

Posted by: PDiddy | February 1, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, take the man at his word. While I felt very similarly at first, that ST had put himself into another position to get in trouble, I came to know after the fact how much he had changed his life and felt guilty for my initial judgement. ST learned from previous mistakes and became a man respected by all. Wilbon is is the same boat. While he may have been in error in some of the things that he wrote about athletes across the country, he has experienced something that has brought priority to his life. Get well soon, Wilbon.

Hopefully, you guys that have mercilessly trashed him here won't have your own life-changing event in the near future that makes you rethink the judgement that you have issued.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 1, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, you do nothing to lift up Jason Taylor's life by denigrating Wilbon's. Agreed, his intitial column did leave one with the impression it's fait accompli that if you have some thuggy friends, bad things like that will happen. But, subsequent to the intial report, his sympathy for Taylor's family and the team was obvious. I urge those who are so vitriolic toward Wilbon to have your own blood pressure checked, lest a similar misfortune befall you.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | February 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

drbatchelor if it was something that really changed his life and he knew how his statements came across. He would have said sorry for my misinformed statements.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

So, Lost is back. What do we think? Personally, I was hoping for something more compelling than what they put up last night. It's gotten more confusing with the flash-forwards, not less. Way too slow paced. But, that's just me. Maybe some of you others have a better way to think about it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Every time news comes out of Redskins Park, I can't help but think of the great Steve Buckhantz's call the other night:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

NOT POSSIBLE

NOT AGAIN

NOT POSSIBLE

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

InRealAmerica, I think you meant Sean Taylor. Jason Taylor is still very much alive.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts and prayers go out to Wilbon.... Get Well.

JLC,

That is right.... Let's go Mets.... get the deal done already. If they don't close the deal in the next couple of hours i'd be shocked... They had to know what they were getting themselves in for... Santana wants to and deserves to get paid...

They are giving up a ton of talent with these prospect though....

Posted by: EinVB | February 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

TE,

When you refer to "Lost", are you talking about the Redskins organization or the TV show?

Football team = bad
TV show = good

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike, Get well. Take care of yourself. Sports will still be here and in todays world you can work from anywhere. I will be praying for you.

Posted by: tjzukoski | February 1, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, you do nothing to lift up Jason Taylor's life by denigrating Wilbon's. Agreed, his intitial column did leave one with the impression it's fait accompli that if you have some thuggy friends, bad things like that will happen. But, subsequent to the intial report, his sympathy for Taylor's family and the team was obvious. I urge those who are so vitriolic toward Wilbon to have your own blood pressure checked, lest a similar misfortune befall you.


Posted by: InRealAmerica | February 1, 2008 02:12 PM

This statment couldn't be more true... unless you got the mans name right... then maybe a bit more true.

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Wilbon fan. I love his work, his insights, and his way of expressing himself. I love PTI and his columns in the Post.

I think he should be allowed to make mistakes. It's part of his job. The only way to avoid them was never to write anything more controversial than "Mary had a little lamb." And, no, I don't think he should have to write a written apology for every one he makes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Any sh*t head can catch a football. The redskins NEED O-lineman!!! They provide time in the pocket so receivers can get open, the more time, the easier the reception. its a fact, f*ck ocho cinco.

I WANT MIKE ESPY!!!!!

Posted by: rhyde | February 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

That's a joke calling Wilbon (or Bon-Bon) a 'class act'. That article he wrote about SeanTay made me want to personnally drive to house and kick the isht out of his fat arse.

He said that SeanTay deserved what he got - well you shove Hot Dogs/Brats/Ice Cream down your throat for 50+ years like his fat arse did and you deserve to have your arteries clogged.

Keep it up you fat turd and you'll end up where you belong.

I feel better now - thank you.

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon was asked if he regretted writing what he did about Sean, and he said no. He was also asked if he would apologize, and he also said no. Now, suddenly because Wilbon becomes aware of his own life having finality, he's a changed man?? Sorry if I don't have a lot of sympathy for the man...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Watching "Lost" on TiVo right now. Love it. I actually love the flash forwards, and I thought the last season finale was brilliant. I'm a huge fan of the show, though...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping Wilbon heals quickly. I look forward to reading his work and seeing him spar with Kornheiser, et al.

I take exception with your baseball quip, JLaC. Santana in the NL -- in the NL East, no less -- means my Nats have to face him several times this year. I hope they shell the guy so hard he runs back to Minnesota!

Posted by: MJPinDC | February 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Your Sox!?!

How can a good Charm City boy like you be a sox fan. I'm sure you have a real chamring story, but save it you hoser.

Seriously.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | February 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The first newspaper article I ever read was written by Wilbon about the Redskins many years ago. Him and Kornheiser (when he still actually wrote) taught me a great many things about sports and life through their columns. His coverage is always top notch if not controversial as we see from the anger that many people on this page have for him for his coverage of the late #21. While I myself dont always agree with the position he takes, Wilbons columns are always insightful, well written and well thought out. My respect for Wilbon as a writer is limitless. I am a young man with the same disease as Alonzo Mourning and I am especially indebted to Wilbon for the number of columns he has written about Zo, in the process shedding light on the major shortage of organ donors. I think that a number of the flattering things he wrote about Alonzo are also very applicable to Wilbon himself. His coverage of every major NFL or NBA story over his time at the Post has been extrordinary and I wish him only the best in his recovery.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | February 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

TE- Loved 'Lost'. Reaction is mixed here at work...people either loved it, or they thought it stunk.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And F the Capitals for not having the cool black Ovechkin jersey in my size in case I have to turn to hockey.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 02:04 PM

They've never had reason to sell the "Lee Haney" size before now.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I am in no way a fan of Wilbon. I find him gruff, rude, and poorly researched. He's essentially Friar Tuck jr at this point and I stopped reading him years ago.

That being said, I wish him a speedy recovery.

Does he have a HOF vote? Anyway we can petition to have Friar Tuck removed from the voting board?

Art Monk 08.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Pdiddy,

Maybe I'm just too much of a linear thinker, if I'm a thinker at all, but the movement in time and space and from character to character make for a confusing jumbled blur. The whole is less than the sum of the parts. The show can't seem to build any momentum. Oh, and the commercials are forever. TIVO is the only way to go. Otherwise, love it to death.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

4-12 have you seen the black LS jersey. Man they are so cool. How can you not at least have a double X?

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is smart and incisive. But he doesn't have the extra dimension that Boswell has which is the ability to connect on an emotional level. Of course, Boswell is as good as it gets.

Wilbon just went thru something really major, any new perspectives will take some time to develop. Its a lot to digest (OK, bad pun, bad zce ... ). I'm guessing if Wilbon ever issues an apology regarding #21, we'll never know it. Because he would go directly to Taylor's family with that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Whoa,let's just get something straight

RED SOX SUCK

Posted by: gocards05 | February 1, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

wait... Jason Taylor got shot????? Anyone have a link?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I have seen it...definitely a cool jersey.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 1, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I could never watch that show live. The commercials would absolutely kill me.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 1, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I am a Wilbon (still) fan. I don't share the sentiment many do up here do. But I also don't want to rehash it and its an emotional issue that I will let people feel how they do.

But for me, get well Wilbon!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Some of the responses in here are way over the top.

Wilbon acted disgracefully in the wake of Taylor's death -- I don't think that means we should, too.

Posted by: SonnyFan | February 1, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I loved Lost. Agree that the flash forward was/is a great stortelling twist and in some ways righted the narrative ship of Lost...

Lost rulz
only 8 episodes drool

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

And the Caps are off the freakin Hook! Ovetchkin is straight beast!!!!!!!

Wizards drool
Caps RULE!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

jm, you'd think a team owned by a man the size of Ted Leo(nsis) would offer jerseys up to XXXL or even bigger... I love that dude, but he is a chubster.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Larry I don't think anyone doesn't want him to get well.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I don't remember the article word for word, but did Wilbon say that Sean Taylor "deserved" to be killed? I thought that he said he was "not surprised" that it happened....if I am wrong, okay, then he is a jerk. To me, Wilbon's columns are enjoyable and very insightful. Maybe it's just me. Give the guy some credit for putting his genuine thoughts to print. Everything else he said seemed pretty much up to the usual status quo when someone dies.....pretty sympathetic. I have heard much worse on this very blog directed at the Owner and Vinny. Some of the hatred here. I beleive the in house saying goes: Wow, just wow.
Get better Mike.

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

gocards, still bitter about 04? LOL....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You are so right Nate. I might just start watching hocky simple because Ovetchkin played with a broken nose.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ya know Vinny Larry simply isn't very funny.....

and JM2Fruity I didn't say no ine did, was simply saying I wished him well and that I don't share the same negativity others do, I have a different perspective. But I also am not challenging anyone else's perspective.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon's freakin' column today is about forgiving and forgetting, and divorcing criticism of the [NBA player, NFL player, whatever] from your respect for the person himself.

Good grief! I can't imagine anyone wishing ill of Wilbon the person, a man who just survived a heart attack... Anyone writing such hateful things should be as ashamed if himself today as Wilbon should have been after the circumstances of Sean Taylor's shooting were learned. Which is very, very ashamed.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone has wished ill on Wilbon, just the contrary, I think people want him to recover, but much like myself, haven't distanced themself for the calloused manner in which he wrote about the death of ST.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Yea,
I can't believe MB hasn't just said: Hey, I was wrong.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

That would be MW, not sure who MB is.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

OK CL I got to try to come up with a new name for you.

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

That would be MW, not sure who MB is.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2008 02:51 PM

That would be Marion Barry, right? Dude's still a few apologies short of where he should be.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think we all wish Wilbon a full recovery; we're just saying we're not surprised he had a heart attack based on his lifestyle.

Posted by: NCICURN | February 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

i dont wish anybody ill, but wilbon is absolutely not a class act. by any stretch of the imagination.
or is jason just being nicer with wilbon ill than wilbon could be when another man was facing death, and then did in fact pass?

Posted by: cantpickaname | February 1, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the obscure posting-time from a few back had some peeps miss out on this, but I still get a chuckle:

I have never met barno, but I'd imagine he looks exactly like Frank Luntz of Fixed News: http://www.nab.org/xert/xertimages/corpcomm/pressrel/Frank_Luntz_lo.jpg

Does anyone else get that? You'd think it moreso if you saw this walking cesspool talk.

That said, barno is an amusing man in my view. And a barno, if I'm correct, is someone who has relations with animals. So perhaps I *DO* know you, Mr. barno. And you're okay. Weird and loud, but okay.

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 12:52 AM

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

NCICURN--Well stroked. I'm just surprised that he made it to 49 without one. I hope he can put this high-rolling lifestyle behind him and hang with some boys that would be taking him out roller blading instead of golfing and steak-eating. Dude needs to seriously rethink what he's about for the good of all those around him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, rumors abound that "Friday Night Lights" is going to be canceled soon. Apart from that being an absolute travesty, it also means that Coach Taylor is available!

Posted by: PDiddy | February 1, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

You're overlookng the big obstacle with Coach Taylor. His wife is in love with Midland, Texas and she won't let the family move to DC. El Paso or Amarillo, maybe, but not DC.

And, no, this is not just a bargaining ploy to squeeze and extra million out of Mr. "Snyder." It's a serious obstacle.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Some of you (NateinPDX) don't get it. No one wants Wilbon dead. It's just the hypocrisy that is stinking here. He's writing about "a new perspective" and forgiving and all that b.s, but still hasn't admitted he was wrong about Sean. Why was this column even in the sports page? It seems like he wrote it to get sympathy and after the complete lack of sympathy he showed ST, he can forget about it from some people. And I wouldn't equate a simple angioplasty with being murdered. So he'll have to cut down on the pies. So what.

Posted by: austin987654 | February 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Dhaze :

Are you also known as Dblaze?

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 1, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

PDid, agreed on FNL, I'm diggin that show. Shame if its going to be cancelled.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Dhaze :

Are you also known as Dblaze?

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 1, 2008 03:15 PM

Nope. Just dlhaze.......people who know me well call me Dano (as in book'em Dano)

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

austin,

No one wishes Wilbon dead? What's this:

Screw Wilbon. He certainly didn't care when #21 was shot. The world would have been a better place without Wilbon.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 1, 2008 01:57 PM

The reason his column was in the sports page is because he writes about sports, including in this column. And he wasn't "trying to get sympathy." He was expressing thanks and suprise at all the sympathy that he'd already received from some unlikely sources.

And you must be a profound thinker or a medical doctor if you "wouldn't equate a simple angioplasty with being murdered." Thanks for helping us think this through.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I will be sad if FNL is cancelled

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I hope Wilbon gets well. No one (i hope wishes harm on someone just because they disagree with them).

That said . . . "There is no better class act in this business. Mike is the epitome of how it should be done and someone I have long looked up to as a journalist and as a person." Give me a break. Has everyone forgotten how he covered the Sean Taylor murder. Definatly not the "epitome of how is should be done".

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

FNL should be picked up by AMC Network. "Mad Men" was my fave new show of 2007 and I think they could take it over well...

But what do I know....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If FNL gets canceled, maybe Coach Taylor could be transported to the Lost island? He could organize a football game between the Others and the Survivors. With cheerleaders!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's like I said earlier, "opinions are like barnos......"
The way I read a FEW of these posts (mainly names I don't recognize, but a few I do), there is some serious ill will towards the man (Wilbon).
I posted a long time ago that I too was not necessarily surprised. Let me clarify, I did not EXPECT it to happen. Many seem to think that Wilbon was saying he expected it or that Taylor deserved it. Not what he was saying (in my opinion). When I heard that a Redskin player had been shot, my first thought was not "Oh no! It's must have been Brunell."....I was worried that it was Taylor, and that he was in Miami again. And sure enough. Doesn't mean that I am not as saddened as the rest of the folks on this blog, but I hold no ill will towards Wilbon. At least he didn't take the expected route and go all over the top to see who can be the most politically correct in the wake of someone's death. He is still a class act in my book. What reeks of hypocrisy is all of the church going folk who said prayer after prayer for someone they didn't know personally, but now spew disrespect and ill will towards another person they do not know personally.

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree

Posted by: IvanDanko | February 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I just lost all respect for you JLC. How are you a Suxs fan?

Posted by: billhildebrandt | February 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

anybody but fassel
art monk in the hall

Posted by: epdaly | February 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

ooooooooooooookay, Gibby.... wink wink

Gibbs Defends Snyder, Redskins' Search Process
PHOENIX--Former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said today he has no problem with the way that owner Daniel Snyder has conducted the search for Gibbs's successor.

"Dan has worked really hard at this," Gibbs said by telephone. "It takes time. I know how much he's put into it. I was happy to see what happened with Greg Blache [being promoted to defensive coordinator] and seeing how much of the staff is staying. That will help with the continuity that we talked about. I feel good about how it's going. It's a tough process and I know Dan is putting a lot into it."

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Again, not to beat the point to death, but what Wilbon wrote in his article was largely inaccurate. But thats better than being politically correct?

I don't get it....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg, Here's the link to the article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112702680.html?nav=emailpage

What exactly is inaccurate? He mentions that all things and accounts point to Taylor turning his life around. He even says in the 2nd to last paragraph that Taylor was a victim? I don't even see that he "bashes" Taylor at all......is there a different article that I did not see?

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping that Michael Wilbon has a speedy recovery and is back to writing again soon. I generally like his work and find his articles insightful. His assumption about Sean Taylor's death was misguided (okay, infuriating), and he name drops shamelessly (Wilbon was in fine form today in that department), but overall he does a good job covering the world of sports.

As for favorite teams, glad to know there are more people out there who are lifelong fans of the Redskins and Red Sox. JLC, I get a lot of the same questions as to how such an odd cross-regional loyalty comes about. Typically it's explained by having lived in both areas at some point and/or the fact that the Nationals weren't around when we were kids. And personally, I don't root for Baltimore anything. I'm with JLC on being glad the Sox didn't get Santana. He's a great pitcher, and the thought of sticking him in our rotation was appealing to say the least. But I didn't want to give up Ellsbury, Lester or Buckholtz to get him. Not to mention we'd have to pay Santana an enormous contract that will extend past his prime in order to sign him.

Posted by: billyrich | February 1, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

dl, maybe it was on a chat that he stated that Taylor embraced a thug life, and refused to distance himself from it.

Someone help me out with where that is from?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Most people were more angry at Wilbon by what he wrote in his "chat" than the article attached above. His "chat" was vile - the article toned down a bit.

Posted by: Lisa | February 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Talent evaluator:
You're a moron and you obviously do need help to think things through. Why don't you take your brown nose out of Wilbon's a@@ for a minute. Give me a break. An angioplasty is no biggie and he writes an article about it BEGGING for sympathy. He knows a lot of people don't like him now so he figures I'll pull on their heart strings. No one can hate on a sick person. Who cares, outside of his loved ones, if this jacka@@ had an angioplasty? That's not why I pick up a sports page. He simply can't have it both ways. Not care that ST was murdered, but then want everyone to care that he had a simple medical procedure. And with people like Kobe Bryant and Jeff George in his corner, no wonder he's a d@uchebag. Bottom line is that you're an idiot and Jason calling Wilbon a "class act" on a Redskin site after what Wilbon did is ridiculous. Say "get well" or whatever...fine. But calling him a class act is laughable.

Posted by: austin987654 | February 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I didn't get to see any TV chats, so I guess my opinion is based solely upon the article. If there was a different instance with different context, I will shut up, but even so, I stand by my opinion of Wilbon as a class act.

Heading home for the weekend, probably won't be logging back in til Monday morning, but i'll try to check in over the weekend....Peace out.

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The chat the afternoon of the shooting he talked off the cuff and didn't come looking good, sensitive or eventually even right.

He tempered he thoughts somewhat in his column. And I believe, if that had been his first statement on the subject it would have been a non-story (especially running next to Les Carpentar piece which was in fact very bad).

In his first chat after the death and I think funeral, he fielded and dialogged with upset angry fans, and as I read it shared some remorse for his first chat reaction. He was also gracious of accepting the venom of others and accepting it.

That is the basic timeline of event. It was that first chat house comments that were the tinder that sparked the fire.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It was his comments on the chat the day of the shooting, and then refusing to apologize a week later when the 'facts' actually came out.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

CL/Greg,
Gotcha.....thanks. I'll be quiet now. Have a great weekend!

Posted by: dlhaze | February 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to the first Wilbon chat. He discussed it again the following week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/11/20/DI2007112000544.html

Lisa, can you tell me what Wilbon said that you characterize as vile? I can see where some would find it offensive, but vile?

Austin,

Thanks again for helping us to understand that angioplasty is not murder. I think there was a lot of confusion about that before you stepped up and offered us your insights.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon has my sympathy but after the things Wilbon said about Sean Taylor while Sean Taylor was barely alive and fighting for his life, I have absolutely no respect for the guy.

Try taking better care of your body next time Wilbon, you had a choice, Sean didn't.

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Slightly off topic - but is Bugel staying on as O-line coach. He's probably forgotten more about how coaching an offensive line than most folks will ever know. But is there any concern that the skins maybe switching to the west coast offense that may be completely different technique-wise than what he believes in. Or is not that big a deal?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | February 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

That would be MW, not sure who MB is.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2008 02:51 PM


Michael Bolton. Who definitely owes us an apology.

Well, maybe everyone except The Bobs.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Wilbon fan. I think he's generally a blowhard who doesn't cover anything closely enough to give an educated, thoughtful opinion but I digress. There were so many positive things to be taken away from Wilbon's column today. I can't believe people's thongs are still in a bunch over an opinion he expressed months ago.

Big ups to Nate, CL, and other mature voices of reason.

Here's a little something to lighten the mood. I haven't been keeping up with the blog so forgive me if this has been posted before. Nonetheless, it's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2triiYXSY8

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

TE, I would be happy to...I don't know the exact words but after Wilbon said that he DID NOT KNOW Sean Taylor (this statement is very important) but then proceeded to make accusations of Sean "embracing the thug life." Seeing that he did not KNOW Sean at all that was a vile statement in itself.

The following week on Redskins Report (Wilbon is on the show) George Michael addressed Wilbon about the "venom" fans were spewing at him for his fallacious comments - basically giving him a chance to atone - and Wilbon offered no apology whatsoever.

Posted by: Lisa | February 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Wilbon fan. I think he's generally a blowhard who doesn't cover anything closely enough to give an educated, thoughtful opinion but I digress. There were so many positive things to be taken away from Wilbon's column today. I can't believe people's thongs are still in a bunch over an opinion he expressed months ago.

Big ups to Nate, CL, and other voices of reason.

Here's a little something to lighten the mood. I haven't been keeping up with the blog so forgive me if this has been posted before. Nonetheless, it's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2triiYXSY8

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Here it was, this line was what did it for me:

Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it

Thats just incorrect, categorically wrong.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 1, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Sean Taylor fan. I was from the moment the Skins drafted him and wear my #21 jersey with pride. That said, telling Wilbon he deserved a heart attack is classless. Mike Wilbon is a great columnist, one who I've been reading in the Post since I learned how to read when he was writing about the Skins' glory days in the 80s. I grew up with him and continue to read him.

Yeah, sometimes he says things that are controversial, sometimes he says things I don't agree with. But that doesn't mean he deserved a heart attack. I think those of you out there who think along these lines need to do some serious introspection because Mike Wilbon was not the person who killed Sean Taylor and he wasn't even close to the person who was saying the most derogatory and ignorant things about Taylor after his death. Wilbon is a columnist who's paid to write instant analysis of situations and sometimes he gets it right, sometimes he gets it wrong. Everyone, especially those who write opinions for a living, aggravate people sometimes and if they didn't they wouldn't be doing there job.

If you had been paying attention to what Wilbon was saying immediately after Taylor's senseless murder, as opposed to just reacting in a knee jerk manor you would find that it is quite similar to what he has been writing about for years. Way too often (and in my opinion at all is too often) talented young black men fall victim to violent crimes committed by other young black men. It is senseless and even more exasperating when it happens to someone who has limitless potential and as it turned out in Taylor's case, was doing nothing wrong -- in fact he was doing everything right at that time.

Wilbon has always been vocal on the pitfalls that can come to suddenly famous athletes who suddenly have all the riches in the world at a very young age and I for appreciate that. I wish him a speedy recovery and hope that those of you who think that a heart attack is somehow something he deserved get a grip.

Posted by: rawk | February 1, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

i disagree LH. i'm not going to go into it because it's not the right time for it.

but one thing i did find interesting was that wapo did not mention anything about its "star" writer having a heart attack but then couple of days later wilbon writes an article on it? whatever.

diddy, CL, i watched the whole next show...whatever came after LOST but didn't see the Oceanic promo again that oceanic girl was pimping during LOST. WTF??!!! did you guys see it?

Posted by: dealer | February 1, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that Hitler is a Cowboys fan, he may be the owner.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

people, please. no one said wilbon deserves a heart attack. no one would say that and mean it. everyone up here is wishing him well. please don't get your panties all caught up in there. give the high horse a break. please. peta would have a heart attack the way you guys abuse that poor little pony.

Posted by: dealer | February 1, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

For the Record - "Lost" is the equivalent of watching 2 hours of commercials with some clips from a Gilligan's Island Soap Opera in between........It soooooooooo cheeeeeesy, Wilbon would eat it!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

but one thing i did find interesting was that wapo did not mention anything about its "star" writer having a heart attack but then couple of days later wilbon writes an article on it? whatever.

Posted by: dealer | February 1, 2008 05:00 PM

Maybe the ICUNurse can explain some of the complexities of HIPAA to everyone here. In short, the WAPO probably did not have approval (from Wilbon or his family) to write about the medical condition of one of its writers.

Posted by: tafka | February 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

dealer- Channel 7 F'd it up. Just as the Oceanic promo was starting, they (someone in 7's master control) played a local news promo instead. The Oceanic lady popped on screen, and less than a second later, the news promo started. Couldn't believe it.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 1, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

F the Wilbon controversy....lets just hope he is OK and move on...it was a distraction at the time, and irrelevant now.....


Dealer: I only saw the thing between shows....it all ties into Lost "Augemented Reality" games that thread clues and easter eggs into a variety of mediums. They can be viewed as nerd fun or genius product placement and getting people to watch and do siht they wouldn't normally.

filmchris, a big F coming your way...Lost rulz...and commercials...what are those...I watch it on my DVR baby!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Dealer my man how have you been? With what do you disagree - my opinion about Wilbon being a blowhard or that there were positives to be taken away from his column?

Either way there ain't no good guy; there ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree. Oooo Oooo Ooooo. Ohhh. Ohhh. Ohh. Ohh. Ohhhhhhhh.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

austin987654,

You're partially right, a catheterization procedure is fairly routine these days. However, he also found out that he's an insulin dependent diabetic (almost definitely for life). His pancreas is shot. Diabetes wreaks havoc on a body from head to toe.

Once you are diabetic, you're a great candidate for more heart attacks/strokes. You're blood cells tend to get a bit 'sticky'.

This is a big deal. I suggest you do a little research and then you will agree.

Posted by: gdennie | February 1, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

all of you people saying you wish wilbon would have died are pathetic adn have absolutely no class whatsoever...

i doubt #21 would approve of you comments at all...

Posted by: deadskin | February 1, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Instead of a Wilbon/BoTox blurb, JLa should have written about something really important, like Art Monk and the HOF.

Posted by: tafka | February 1, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Sean Taylor fan. I was from the moment the Skins drafted him and wear my #21 jersey with pride. That said, telling Wilbon he deserved a heart attack is classless. Mike Wilbon is a great columnist, one who I've been reading in the Post since I learned how to read when he was writing about the Skins' glory days in the 80s. I grew up with him and continue to read him.

Yeah, sometimes he says things that are controversial, sometimes he says things I don't agree with. But that doesn't mean he deserved a heart attack. I think those of you out there who think along these lines need to do some serious introspection because Mike Wilbon was not the person who killed Sean Taylor and he wasn't even close to the person who was saying the most derogatory and ignorant things about Taylor after his death. Wilbon is a columnist who's paid to write instant analysis of situations and sometimes he gets it right, sometimes he gets it wrong. Everyone, especially those who write opinions for a living, aggravate people sometimes and if they didn't they wouldn't be doing there job.

If you had been paying attention to what Wilbon was saying immediately after Taylor's senseless murder, as opposed to just reacting in a knee jerk manor you would find that it is quite similar to what he has been writing about for years. Way too often (and in my opinion at all is too often) talented young black men fall victim to violent crimes committed by other young black men. It is senseless and even more exasperating when it happens to someone who has limitless potential and as it turned out in Taylor's case, was doing nothing wrong -- in fact he was doing everything right at that time.

Wilbon has always been vocal on the pitfalls that can come to suddenly famous athletes who suddenly have all the riches in the world at a very young age and I for appreciate that. I wish him a speedy recovery and hope that those of you who think that a heart attack is somehow something he deserved get a grip.

Posted by: rawk | February 1, 2008 04:59 PM

i agree with you 1000%. get well soon wilbon.

Posted by: aibrahim2k2 | February 1, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

tafka, somebody told somebody because word got out, and people got his address and phone number. Wilbon is a celebrity, and for many this is news. Nobody is having a problem reporting on Britney Spear's trips to the hospital for emergency psych evals even though mental health records are more sacred than medical records.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Not sure there was the same paparatzi push and buzz around wilbon...so prolly easier for employers to respect the famlies wishes.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, blog's rocking now! Sean Taylor, Michael Wilbon, redux. This morning we had Antonio Pierce redux. How about we try one of these:

1. Should the Redskins play Arrington or Holdman?

2. Should the Redskins start Brad Johnson or Jeff George?

3. Should we start Sonny or Billy?

or, for a real dust-up:

4. Should the Redskins change their name?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Life has been rough for WaPo columnists named "Mike" lately. Mike Wilbon had a heart attack and Mike Wise almost drowned/froze after falling through the ice trying to rescue his dog.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa...really? Do you have a link to the Mike Wise story...thats freaky!

He must be better though as he busted off a great column today about my CAPS!

Goal Shakers, Ice Breakers...the Caps...!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks was just on Riggo. Said he believes the job is going to go to Fassel. Damn!

Posted by: jm220 | February 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason, your from Bmore and your a Sox fan? Sorry, not allowed. I don't care if you loved Wade Boggs as a kid. Get off the bandwagon.

Posted by: matthewrayman | February 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon lambastes a man who died defending his family from a break-in during the night then goes to the hospital for choking down too many steak sandwhiches and we are supposed to feel bad for him?

Posted by: sams3 | February 1, 2008 01:37 PM

Wow, you must've been scorned by Wilbon in some way. Did he not give you a dvd he promised or something?

Posted by: barno | February 1, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

A little OT, but I'm glad to see that there are some more people in Art Monk's corner for this year's HOF ballot: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22953000/

Oh, and based on his chitter-chatta, barno probably looks like frank luntz: http://www.nab.org/xert/xertimages/corpcomm/pressrel/Frank_Luntz_lo.jpg

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, lots of posts regarding the Michael Wilbon comments concerning Sean Taylor.

I do recall those comments on PTI, I was watching that night...

I do wish MW would have manned up and simply swallowed his pride and said, "I have to apologize... I was so wrong, and I apologize to the Sean's family."

All of that being said, to wish Michael Wilbon harm or speak harshly towards Mike, does bring to our memory his comments about #21, but enough has been said, and I think we need to be careful we are not being guilty of the same thing MW does.

Wish you well, MW, and a speedy recovery.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | February 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

In his first chat after the death and I think funeral, he fielded and dialogged with upset angry fans, and as I read it shared some remorse for his first chat reaction. He was also gracious of accepting the venom of others and accepting it.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 04:27 PM

Do you ever think before you write Crissy? Or do you just start typing without any thought given whatsoever to the words that you are typing?

THIS IS WHAT WILBON SAID IN THE "FIRST CHAT" AFTER TAYLOR DIED. HARDLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD REFER TO AS "REMORSE."

"You won't read an apology here. Go back and get Wednesday's newspaper and read the column. Don't ever suggest I said anybody "had it coming" or you should be the one apologizing for making up a sentiment that wasn't expressed. I wonder, in many cases, if people doing the criticizing read the piece or simply listened to what somebody told them or listened to somebody who was angry on sports talk radio.

Those who knew Sean Taylor best very carefully articulated how he changed his life. If he changed it, what did he change it from?

I'm not going to phony it up so some people will agree with me or pat me on the head. Those of you who felt similarly, fine. Those of you who felt differently and shocked, fine. We don't need to agree in this country. In fact, disagreement that sparks discussion we wouldn't otherwise have is healthy. People who simply want to have nice, comfy conversation are free to look elsewhere for it. But I don't do what I do to find agreement all the time.

As it turns out following the arrests, it appears Sean was not targeted, as I suspected. But it appears his home was targeted, which by definition makes it not random.

Those of you who are upset that I wrote that Sean's past and his associations had likely caught up with him should stop screaming and burying your heads under the pillow and read the comments from his lifelong friend, Antrel Rolle of the Arizona Cardinals who talked forcefully and with insight when he said his dear friend of 18 years was afraid to go to Miami in recent trips because he thought people were after him ... Rolle's words, not mine.

This is what I was talking about last week when I said just because Sean was in the process of changing his life doesn't mean others would let him, or that a complete change is possible in months (18 months, according to Joe Gibbs). ... His own cousin talked about how people wanted Sean to leave South Florida because they feared something would happen. His cousin's words, not mine."

Posted by: barno | February 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

CL, so the guy who wrote this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3718-2004Sep7.html and the employer that published it would decline to disclose what happened to him. Now that's rich.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon and Kornheiser are pompous fools, particularly when they wear their stylish shades on the outdoor set of PTI, even on cloudy days. Funny, they always seem to lose them by the second segment. That stupid is so tired - listening to those windbags try to come up with something provocative.

Like him or not, Wilbon now has a huge burden to bear from today till the finish line. His diabetic affliction is uncompromising and relentless.

I would not trade him places.

Posted by: gdennie | February 1, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, I have not seen an article about Mike Wise - I heard Mike telling the story on WaPo Live earlier this week. At first I thought he was joking (he is a very humorous guy) but it was true.

Mike was taking his dog (think he has had this dog for a long time) on a run in the early evening...the dog ran onto a frozen pond? lake? something like that...and fell through the ice. Mike jumped in after her..started sinking...it was freezing....somehow he finally managed to save the dog but then he was about to go under. Another jogger saw him and rescued him. Mike said he was frozen and probably would not have lasted much longer.

He told this story to say a big "thank you" to the jogger who saved his life.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Barno, dude relax...from memory I laid out the timeline quickly for folks who were trying to piece it together...

and wow big insult with "Krissy" really hitting me where I live there...can't wait to cry myself to sleep over that one....

Also you are still selectively quoting and disregard the fact I poibnted out some of the back and forth....


But dude WHATEVER...i even earlier posted that people feel close to the issue and lets not reinflame it.


You are seriously the biggest A-hole poster I have encountered in an online forum. Your an unfunny, mean spirited, boring, short sided hardon....

Isn't there an Ann Coulter fan-boy site you can go populate or something...jeesh you could suck the fun out of a Roman Orgy....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse


Darrell Green never really got his due as far as I'm concerned. Peerless cover skills, blinding speed (could have been fastest man alive if he'd trained for it), flawless tackling, rarely unable to play, great leader and competitor, and unbelievably dangerous return skills.

Catching Tony Dorsett from way behind on monday night football, and taking a punt for six in the playoffs with broken ribs, were the norm for this guy. IMHO he is the greatest cornerback in the history of the game and my favorite Skin of all time. Maybe even more than finally putting ARt in, I want to see DGreen get in the Hall on day one of eligibility.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Dude I don't know...I was making a funny joke about the obviousness of the paparatzi not caring about Wilbon as oppossed to Britney spears....

Jeesh...didnt I say when I first posted about this while I might not have the venom against Wilbon other do I respect it and seems pointless to re-bring up?!?!?!?!?!?!

Does any of this bring back Taylor, solve black on black crime, heal diabetes, get the skins a new coach, buy Barno a clue?!?!?1

No so its Fing Friday people mellow out...kiss your signifigant other, have a beverage of your choice...

The G-dam blog has some serious agita lately....


Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

TDawg- Probably more like this...

http://grouse.net.au/~sirrobin/asshat.jpg

Posted by: 4-12 | February 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

CL,

Take some your own advice, seriously. ROFL!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

ROFL?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

CL, relax dude. I don't have a bone to pick with you. I big upped you earlier for being reasonable about this whole Wilbon/Taylor thing. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy if Wilbon was trying to keep it from being reported by anyone but him. That's all.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

All,

I agree about the whole Willbon thing. He was a dick about Sean Taylor, to say the least. But we should rise above his level and hope he gets better. That said those are some well done shots about his weight.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I root for Washington and I like Sonny

how's that for some bumper sticker history?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Yeah its all good

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

ROFL?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 06:10 PM


What are u "Lost"?

Dude, you spend about 60 hours a week for who knows how many years in this Blog alone and you don't know what ROFL means?!

ROFLMAO!!!!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I think we should bring back that bumper-sticker era and go with I like Ladle and I like Clinton

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Re: barno

... everyone remember Jack? The pointless pessimism? The hypocritic rantings? The garbage theories? Good times, and I miss that fellow.

But barno is in along the same vein-- more articulate and toxic, but similar nonetheless. The best thing to do is to take everything Captain Douchebag says with a grain of salt and let it roll. After all, with a name like "barno" and a favorite past-time of feltching farm animals, we can't be too upset with the guy.

And I bet he does look like Frank Luntz: http://www.nab.org/xert/xertimages/corpcomm/pressrel/Frank_Luntz_lo.jpg

lolz.

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah sorry I am dim.....refresh me....

and don't sell me short...its 80 hours...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

ROFL = rolling on the floor laughing, fyi

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

ROFL = rolling on the floor laughing, fyi

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 06:27 PM

You may have to explain to him what FYI means to and I'd do it ASAP!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

thanks tdawg...not up on my AOLisms

Jack is still kickin it...he goes by like Zjr2 or some siht.

I prefer Jack to Barno...but Barno's great...I can't get enough of that pugnacious little scrapper....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

filmchis...if I find you I am gonna stop your azz PDQ, than LOL all the way while I BMGO skipping along ignoring work I gotta do ASAP...


Nah just kidding its all good...gotta watch my stress...don't want to end up like Wilbon.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

filmchis...if I find you I am gonna stop your azz PDQ, than LOL all the way while I BMGO skipping along ignoring work I gotta do ASAP...


Nah just kidding its all good...gotta watch my stress...don't want to end up like Wilbon.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 1, 2008 06:36 PM


Ahhhhh snap! I've got CL's back, yo.
IDKABU, but CL is my BFF and ILHVM. So if you can't handle that, then shut the SJK up!

And so, "filmchis," not all of us have time to play World of Warcraft all day and accumulate your cool kid lingo. Some of us have jobs and no acne. I only know it because I'm editing a book on it (hence my understanding, sucka!)

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

People people people. Talked with my boy AMTTS today about this search for an hour. We are definitely hiring an offensive guy if Blache is the defensive coordinator. I gotta believe it. I think they are going to full court press McDaniels. He's perfect for the Skins considering the situation. Young guy. Has no say on the defense. Let Blache handle that. Zorn deals with the development of JCampbell. I mean, he is in essence a QB coach, right? The question is whether he accepts the job. AMTTS and myself agree that Belichick will tell him not to do it.

FYI, I wouldn't be surprised if the Skins try some behind the back pass "Hey, Belichik, 10 mil. and the President of Operations title...you interested?"

I think Fassel is done. Just like GWilliams, if they wanted him, they would have offered him the job by now. I think it's Marichoochy if McDaniels doesn't take it.

I want you all to know, that nothing could be worse than Marichoochy. Players that played for him called him Mooch. WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? MOOCH? Or COACH MOOCH? This isn't poker night at Petey's house. This is the NFL. War on Sundays. MOOCH? People laughing after losses, hat-tipping to Dallas and Philly and NY after losses. "We didn't come prepared..." get used to that statement.

Come on man. You all should be even more incensed if they go with Coach Chooch. At least Fassel knows the East.

Jesus. Who knows what the carnival will bring tomorrow.

Posted by: songofroland | February 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

oh, and CL (and any of us other non WoW wimps), check out http://www.netlingo.com/ if you get in an acronym jam.

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl predictions anyone?

New England 45
New York Giants 17

Unfortunately, since I hate the Patriots slightly more than the Gints and really just want to see a good game.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | February 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

1. Should the Redskins play Arrington or Holdman?

2. Should the Redskins start Brad Johnson or Jeff George?

3. Should we start Sonny or Billy?

4. Should the Redskins change their name?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 05:33 PM


1. Arrington

2. Johnson

3. Sonny

4. Never ever.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl prediction:

HDTV being unkind to Tom Petty - 17

Janet Jackson's nipple - 0

Posted by: freakzilla | February 1, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

We are glad Wilbon is not dead.

But he is no longer a class act. Reporting and humanity questions after ST.

DANBOTs came out big time in the last post. I wish they would just leave us alone.

Posted by: mul | February 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect from a man who grew up eating to much of the wrong food. He couldnt let go of it and it followed him around right up until it happened. Are we all shocked by this, Yes. Its a terrible tragedy but should we be surprised, No.

Posted by: dave197391 | February 1, 2008 01:51 PM

Making light of a man having a heart attack is a bit rough. I hope he recovers fully. But this is priceless! Wilbon recently chastised reporters for being too quick with there writing/judgement on stories at the Superbowl on PTI. You could see him get shooting pains up his arm then, realizing what a hypocrite he is as his arrogance over ST will follow him forever....

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

songofroland, you can forget McDaniels...he signed an extension with the Pats yesterday.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Got to love the moral double standards of the NFL. You cant smoke pot if you play the game but can anyone remember the last half-time performer who wasn't stoned?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

And so, "filmchis," not all of us have time to play World of Warcraft all day and accumulate your cool kid lingo. Some of us have jobs and no acne. I only know it because I'm editing a book on it (hence my understanding, sucka!)

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 06:44 PM


Meeeeeoooow! A little Cat Scratch Fever from the ladies of the La Canfora Sewing Circle.

Don't backpedal from your extensive knowledge of cool kid lingo and WoW gaming!

We know why you know!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Time to pack it on for the weekend. But before I go:

Have a great weekend, especially you guys:

ART MONK, DARRELL GREEN, RUSS GRIMM and EMMITT THOMAS (he coached here, including #28)

Hail, Hall and more Hall

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Despite the comments, I am pulling for Fassel even though he probably is out of it at this point. The guy took the Giants to the SB with Kerry Collins and he knows the NFC East. Also, he'd work with Zorn to develop Jason.

Posted by: n6797p | February 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

1. Arrington

2. Johnson

3. Sonny

4. Never ever.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 1, 2008 06:59 PM

Nice try, 'zilla. I agree with you entirely. You convinced me with these compelling arguments. I'm always a sucker for logic. But it looks like you and I are the only ones who take these questions seriously.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Meeeeeoooow! A little Cat Scratch Fever from the ladies of the La Canfora Sewing Circle.

Don't backpedal from your extensive knowledge of cool kid lingo and WoW gaming!

We know why you know!

Posted by: filmchis | February 1, 2008 07:27 PM


Nice retort, friend.

Posted by: TDawg | February 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Change the name now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 1, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

T-E, Zill,
I mean come on there is no question for any of these answers.

1. Should the Redskins play Arrington or Holdman?

Arrington was a pro-bolwer who ended the much hated career of Troy Akman. Is Holdman even starting now?

2. Should the Redskins start Brad Johnson or Jeff George?

Johnson won the superbowl and is one of the best backup QB's to date. Jeff George could not even get in the starting lineup in the CFL.

3. Should we start Sonny or Billy?

Is Billy in the HOF? Is he even in the ring of fame? Seriously I don't remember if Billy's in the ring of fame.

4. Should the Redskins change their name?

Okay maybe you can get an argument from people on this one. Thats the only debatable one in the list. Personally I will always call them the Redskins, I grew up with that name and in my mind the word is more affiliated with the team then with anything having to do with Native Americans. But if they did change the name I would accept it, so long as they stick with the same logo, color scheme and whatnot. I always said that if they want to change it go with "Potomac" (a native american name and local tribe that was part of the Powhatan nation) or some other native american tribe from the region.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, some folks actually think Belichick would consider an offer from the 'Skins. But that will never happen.

One can only imagine how hard it is to build a dynasty like the one in New England. The only thing harder is trying to replicate that effort with another team. Bill will never, ever try that. He's way too smart and savvy to try and catch lightning in a bottle twice.

Gibbs was greedy. He lost his genius title; became a hero in the ST aftermath; then lost his credibility again with his playing along in this stupid charade of Danny and Vinny's. Belichick wouldn't work for such weasels. He doesn't have to.

Posted by: Soups1 | February 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ran across this bit:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=95&line=112156&spln=1

Report: Redskins won't offer Mariucci job
Redskins Offense - TM - WAS - Feb. 1 - 8:22 pm et
ESPN's John Clayton reports the Redskins are not expected to offer Steve Mariucci their head coaching job.
Clayton says the Redskins spoke with Mooch late this week, but it appears that may have just been to please the fan base. Clayton fully expects Jim Fassel to be named to the position next week, although owner Dan Snyder still has to interview Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. Feb. 1 - 8:22 pm et
Source: ESPN Insider

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

-kerzon
If its right that's a real shame.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't understand the problem with Fassel now. 1 or 2 weeks ago when it was him instead of Williams I could understand, but versus the names outh there now (primarily Marriuci)? Fassel's done more than Mariucci's ever done. Unless they go with someone new like Meeks or Spagnoulo I don't see a whole lot to get excited about one way or the other with Fassel or Mariucci

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | February 1, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

My problem has to do with what I have heard from former players. I don't mean Giants or Ravens but guys who I work with that played for him in Utah, and he is a crappy crappy motivator.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon and Shapiro permanently, repeat permanently burnt their bridges with Redskins fans when they wrote the garbage they did for #21 during that ugly last week of November.

I don't give a rat's ass that Wilbon almost bought the farm (maybe go easy on the sauces and steaks next time). I cannot help but wonder if he had croaked, if the greatest safey ever had given him his patented hit as Wilbon strolled across the pearly gates.

Shapiro - I hope that dude quit this rag. His was the ugliest of write-ups (and racist) about 21.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | February 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green for Head Coach - why not?

Posted by: pat5387 | February 1, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Despite the comments, I am pulling for Fassel even though he probably is out of it at this point.
Posted by: n6797p | February 1, 2008 08:14 PM

Fassel is the only choice at the moment. We have Blache on the D and already have picked all the coaches "with Fassel's OK "(if you believe the PARK).

If they pick Fassel they can spin there BS with the help of some DANBOTs (you know how it goes). Fassel does not look like a total castrated fool. Any other coach would look exactly like that, "Meeks" most of all.

A real coaching prospect would, never ever never, come to this graveyard.

We can win some games next year but after that pow.

F U VinnyDan

F U Gibbs Haters "this is what you wanted" F U again.

Posted by: mul | February 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

OK we know whats coming.

How long does Fassel last.

A. 1 year
B. 1 year
C. 1 year
D. 1 year

I wish I could care at this point who is the HC but if VinnyDAN does not, why should I.

Posted by: mul | February 1, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's a theory, based solely on following the saga:

Fassel "felt manipulated"

Something was up with Gregg Williams being interviewed 4 times and then "released"

Mora withdrew

Mooch probably hadn't even been interviewed at the time JLa posted about his "league sources" on his name being in the mix; then he seems to campaign for an interview

Blache, we learn today, was real close to retirement but couldn't turn down the DC position

____________________

What if the HC position is for a one-year contract, and that is why there is so much trouble nailing down the person who will agree to that?

What if the real deal -- some have suggested Cowher -- is going to be in 2009?

I know that is probably not a new theory, but some of the signs really begin to point to that.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 1, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

On the defensive side of the ball Blache might leave after of couple of years of that good Daniel Snyder money. It might be good then to have a Meeks or Sugar Sapgnola for when Blache departs. Then they should look at Jerry Gray or Olivadotti for a promotion. Remember on difference between 2006 and 2007 was that Olivadotti coached the LBs. And Gray must've worked well with the CBs because they all had a good year. Smoot, Springs, Torrence, Rogers before he was hurt. Without Grilliams there's talent on the D side of the ball, but a D minded head coach might help alleviate the loss of Grilliams and Blache over a short period of time.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 1, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, every sign possible points to that. Keep the same coaches around. No name head coach. Kick them out and bring in a White Knight.

That would make the 3rd coach to save us from vinnyDAN. Gibbs did a good job but got some bad luck and started from the ground floor. We needed 2 more years.

Posted by: mul | February 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

He sure is going to a lot of trouble to sign a guy for just one year.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 2, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

What if the HC position is for a one-year contract, and that is why there is so much trouble nailing down the person who will agree to that?

What if the real deal -- some have suggested Cowher -- is going to be in 2009?

I know that is probably not a new theory, but some of the signs really begin to point to that.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 1, 2008 11:41 PM

Taking a payoff team and essentially putting it in a holding pattern for an entire season while we wait out the "perfect" coach, seems like a dumb enough move for Snyder to consider. You may be on to something.
And Political_Stratgst, weren't you on here a week ago making anti-semitic comments? That kind of undermines your credibility when it comes to calling out racists. I also question your motivation when your target's last name is Shapiro.

Posted by: mack1 | February 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

T-E, Zill,
I mean come on there is no question for any of these answers.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 1, 2008 08:43 PM

So they were easy questions. Should we have gotten them wrong? :)

Also, "Potomac" wouldn't work. Would have to be "Potomacs." All NFL team names are plural.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

What, no one's blogging on Friday night at 11:20 PM PST?

Losers.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 2, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's best friend outside of football.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tySJTPJJc1Y

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 2, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

I just got home. Bored. Decided to bake cookies with my (hot) upstairs neighbor. Now we're sugar highed out. In any event, wanted to pose that I'm eagerly awaiting the HOF acceptance of James Arthur Monk and Darrell Green. If both those guys get in, I'll be happy.

I had dinner with a couple of my friends on the Seahawks. Both of them were still in awe at how well the 'Skins came around this year. Losing the best player on the team to a senseless act of violence? What a strange, ridiculous, crazy year. Let's just get a head coach and move on. I honestly don't care who it is. Let's play some football again.

Oh, and because the next couple of days are going to be crazy busy for me (new puppy and all), I'll just say: Patriots 21, Giants 20.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 2, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

BTW, MacBook Air is awesome. I still haven't figured out how I'm going to use it. But whatever.

And the Yael Naim song from the commercial? Fantastic. Very catchy. Can't stop listening to it.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 2, 2008 4:26 AM | Report abuse

I think BRT (bus rapid transit) is the way to go, out in the boonies (Farfax and louden counties).

Metro to Tysons then BTR to Dulles and points west. There needs to be some more bus lanes but it will be cheap, just as fast, and get more riders instead of starving the Metro system of funds for the next century.

Posted by: mul | February 2, 2008 5:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Snyder is a F head.

I think Fassel is our next head coach.

I would like to crate a graph of the believers in vinnyDAN and plot there "Zen moment of realization" that vinnyDAN is the most incompetent classless team owner in the western world.

Posted by: mul | February 2, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

What time do they announce the HOFers today? Am I reading too much into the fact that Green is in Phoenix, giving interviews this week and that Monk has been invisible?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

skin fans check out tony homo singing...there's hope for us yet... http://www.tmz.com/2008/02/02/hottest-videos-week-of-1-27/

Posted by: gpizzano | February 2, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I root for Washington and I like Sonny

how's that for some bumper sticker history?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 1, 2008 06:20 PM

I remember those bumper stickers. There were also "I Like Billy" stickers. Sonny is my all-time favorite sports figure. Those who are too young just plain missed it.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | February 2, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

4:30 is the time of the announcement, if you can believe Riggo when he was interviewing Darrell Green yesterday.

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

We need a new post for the HOF vote.

This post is not worthy......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 2, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

TE, really the only thing to make about Darrell being there is that he is almost assuredly in. Monk never makes it in and never goes to the Super Bowl site....so why should he act any differently this year? Darrell said yesterday that he has not seen Grimm either and Grimm lives in the area.

Of course, Michael Irvin thought he was going to get in first ballot...and did not. Hope that is not the case with Darrell.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 2, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

WHO THE HELL SHOULD I HIRE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y

Posted by: JustMe | February 2, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"POSTED 9:30 a.m. EST, February 2, 2008

REPORT: PATS FILMED RAMS WALK-THROUGH

When it rains, it freakin' pours.

After a bizarre day in which Spygate unexpectedly reappeared on the league's radar screen and strong hints of previously undisclosed cheating emerged, John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that the Patriots videotaped the walk-through practice of the St. Louis Rams prior to Super Bowl XXVI.

Here's the key excerpt from Tomase's report:

"According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here's what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots' Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.

"After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind after attending the team's walkthrough and filmed St. Louis' walkthrough.

"At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said."

Though the Herald doesn't identify the cameraman, it doesn't take a genius to suspect that it was Matt Walsh, the video employee who has been quietly but doggedly pursued for nearly five months. It also doesn't require much gray matter to realize that Walsh likely gave Tomase the green light to cite him as an unnamed source.

A walk-through practice usually involves execution of the plays that are in the team's offensive game plan, out of the specific formations that each play will be called. Having access to that information would provide an enormous advantage to the opposing team.

In Super Bowl XXXVI, the ordinarily high-octane Rams offense struggled in the first half to move the ball, and trailed the underdogs from New England 14-3 at intermission. Seven of the Pats' points came when cornerback Ty Law jumped a route and took an interception to the end zone. After making halftime adjustments, the Rams came back, tying the game at 17 before the Pats won the game on a late field goal.
"

Wow..Just Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 2, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think way too much is being made about Fassell's W-L record in the NFC East. If I remember correctly, during Fassell's tenure with the Giants, the NFC East was nicknamed the NFC Least. This is a completely different division now, what ever knowledge Fassell has of the division is worthless now.

Posted by: jimwell | February 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

WHO THE HELL SHOULD I HIRE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y

Posted by: JustMe | February 2, 2008 09:45 AM

That was hilarious!!

Posted by: jimwell | February 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Supper smart and funny.

If monk don't get in I riot.

Posted by: mul | February 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

After watching that video, I say we hire Gibbs 3.0!

Did you notice when they said Omar Epps, it was really a picture of Mike Tomlin? LMGO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

How many future hall of fame players are on the redskins right now?

Posted by: mul | February 2, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Our Loseable Type
Struggles to allow new posts
comments are hard too.

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Mul,
I could not say more than 3. A lot of people said Sean Taylor would be a HOF player, but thing is there are very very few Safeties in the HOF.

If Portis can stay healthy and get 4-5 more seasions of 1200+ yards, and retire with more than 15,000 yards and a good TD total then sure.

Cooley is a maybe but its way to early to tell, if he can do what he does for a long time then he may get it.

Chris Samuels/ London Fletcher Baker and Randy Thomas may get into the nomination process but may never get in.


Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

TE, really the only thing to make about Darrell being there is that he is almost assuredly in. Monk never makes it in and never goes to the Super Bowl site....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 2, 2008 09:21 AM

Thanks, Lisa. That's a simpler explanation than I had in mind. I thought that Darrell had been tipped off that he's in and Monk hadn't. Then I realized that they don't even vote until today so....duh.

Poor Art would be broke if he flew to the Super Bowl site everytime his name was on the ballot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

mul

zerooooo, we don't have anyone (save Portis) if we, 1. win a championship and 2 he is able to continue to play at high level get 100 td's and 12,000 yards+ .....both are unlikely....outside of that zippy tracking to the hall....I am ok with the fossil as HC, much more concerened with our talent evaluation dept........

Posted by: Oldschool | February 2, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

much more concerened with our talent evaluation dept........

Posted by: Oldschool | February 2, 2008 10:59 AM

I'm available! But, I'm not sure it's an upgrade.

Why are you concerned? I think they've done well in the last few years with a lot of young dudes, especially on the D side of the ball.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I've thought about this a lot over the past couple weeks. When Fassel is named HC, I think I'll have to say adieu.

I've been a Redskin since 1972, and have proudly worn the colors through thick and thin. But I don't want to become a Chicago Cub. There's nothing character-building about associating yourself with a perennial loser.

And maybe I could even take that if the ownership was mentally stable. But we've got a little boy pretending to be a football wizard with his millions. He hires a weasel as his go-to guy, turns a HOF coach into his personal puppet, and then makes the team a laughingstock across the league with this hiring process.

Jerry Jones is crazy, but at least his team is a contender every year. Danny is nuts on a whole other level. There's no way I want to support Danny Snyder buy wearing or purchasing anything with Redskins on it.

Campbell may develop into a stellar QB, but I seriously doubt it now. He's got to learn yet another new offensive scheme when he should be entering the season feeling confident about mastering the old scheme. That plays hell with any QB; most of all a young one. Offhand, I can't think of too many QB's who've won Super Bowls by changing the offensive philosophy on them.
Plus, who can take management at their word anymore? They preached the need for continuity and then went straight out and blew up the staff.

My guess is they will offer Fassel a four-year contract, then fire him after year two, at the latest. And the whole process will start all over again.

Fassel is probably a very good, decent man but he's a turrible, turrible coach (paraphrasing Charles Barkley). The reason for him being named is because nobody of any real football worth wants anything to do with this management. They know it's a train wreck each and every season.

The Washington Redskins have been a huge part of my sports identity throughout my life. 70 chip; the bus driver's special on Buffalo's first offensive play of the 2nd half of Super Bowl 26; Darrell Green's amazing punt return against Chicago; that whole second quarter against Denver in SBXXII; that agonizing loss to the Giants in the wind of the '86 championship; the crazy win over Tommy Kramer and the Vikings 44-38 in '86; the body-bag game and the revenge playoff win against the Eagles, 20-6. So many moments to recall..

I'll always maintain that I never left the Washington Redskins; they left me..........

Posted by: Soups1 | February 2, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Soups--

You're jumping the gun, dude. Wait until Tuesday to see what happens. The one constant with ownership is that nothing is predictable.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

f wilbon #21 sean taylor forever

Posted by: kevin_finan | February 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 10:05 AM
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The Omar Epps reference to the Steelers coach was priceless.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

It's really hard to try to extrapolate who will be HOF-worthy in fifteen years... but you can ask "if you were assembling a team today, who on the skins would you have to have.
It's not a long list. Portis is the only guy to show that kind of elite talent in a way the average fan can understand, and OldSchool is right -- he'll need to keep doing it without breaking down to make the kind of dent he needs to.
Aside from that, you need to start using that elite talent to move the team to the next level... and no one can accuse the skins of moving to the next level. The barely squeaked into their level this year...

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Double Vision has some similar tools, but you can't even start to think in terms of HOF for a rookie.

Posted by: daggar | February 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Dagger you don't think Cooley is an Elite TE? I mean sure we are a league now with a lot of great TE's but even so Cooley had the 2nd best state in the NFC and is putting up better stats each year.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Cooley put up those numbers while he spent a lot of time staying in and blocking. Watch him next year if we have a healthy O line. Dude's ready to rock.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

cooley, laron, to me are our canidates for special players

Portis, if he can survive the post 30 RB curse has potential to put up huge numbers...

hall of fame is a joke....who knows what the criteria is there, seems like being a cowboy helps.....

krISSy LarrY

Posted by: clawrence | February 2, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I tend to agree I think respect cooperstown a whole lot more than I do canton.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know when they announce HOF today.

I love me some D Green, but if he gets in before Monk that is going to ring hollow to me. I am fully prepared to go 0 for 4 (emmitt thomas) today honestly....

I think the Lenny P/Dr. Z contingent is so strong that it wears other people down in the commitee...

Dr. Z has been anti skin for as long as I can remember and well Lenny P is his disciple....

KRISSY Larry

Posted by: clawrence | February 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

HOF is at 4:30 I believe.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 2, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding? Cooley is one of the best TEs in the league....Hense He is in PRO BOWL!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

TE

Back to your question.....I have concerns for many resaons, although we have added a few good young players don't confuse making our team with making an impact..... we are still a team lead by our veteran players (read old) let me give you an example and then a hypothetical.... on defense our 3 most important guys are springs, griffin and fletcher, all way over 30 and much closer to the end than their prime, monty and golsten look like solid players but not much more..... now the hypo...suppose instead of fletcher springs and grif being the key players it was monty and golsten and maybe HB blades and lets say Rogers, with older guys being solid starters/key reserves... how much better would you be feeling about the teams outlook.....see..... we need to find and add guys every year who can really play not just make our team...push the old guys to a backup role then right out the door...we have chance if Campbell really steps up to be lead by the young and youngish on offense but JC is the key to the whole deal...young franchise QB makes getting the other 52 pieces easier...said from day one and i'll keep sayn' it, can't keep changing coaches and QB's at the same time that's the main reason we haven't had any sustained success.....that said, I think fassel would be a decent choice and the rest of the staff already has an excellent Rep, I think he has more to work with in JC than he had with the QB's at the gints but it still comes down to getting more players and keep moving forward always pushing the roster to get better...the good news is also the bad, I don't outside of JC and a few others think there is a position on the field we couldn't use a talent upgrade......sorry for the long post

Posted by: Oldschool | February 2, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The "inductees" will be announced today at 4:30 on the NFL Network.

I love Rod Woodson - he is on the NFL Network right now saying Art Monk should have been in long ago and talking about how flawed the selection system is.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The bet here is that Darrell Green and Art Monk will go into the Hall together. If that happens, I wouldn't miss going to Canton for the induction ceremony for the world.


Posted by: barno | February 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

TDawg,

Articulate? Why thank you. Pointless pessimist? Not a chance. If anything I may be the eternal optimist on this blog.

Who was talking playoffs when the Skins were 5-7 and blew it against Buffalo?

Exactly.

Posted by: barno | February 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

oldschool,

The young leader on the D was murdered. I see Landry or MacIntosh with leadership potential, but it's a bit much to expect a rookie or second year player to be a team leader. Sean was just hitting his stride. And young guys like Blades, Montgomery, Golston did push players off the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Get well Wilbon so we can agree to disagree in some instances. The words "should have" are not usually appropriate but when I was 40, I am almost 63 now, I started getting annual physicals with all attenuated blood work.

You probably didn't, but this should be a wake up for others, especially blacks. It is well known medically that black men and women suffer more heart attacks and kidney failure so get to a doc and get checked out. There are plenty of places you can get this done, for free, if necessary.

Get yourself on track so I can, again agree, or fume with your columns.

Posted by: mortified469 | February 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Screw Wilbon. You get what you give in life and he gave venom towards Sean and refused a retraction so screw him.

Posted by: nixx46 | February 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Redskin beat has been better since Wilbon blew out of town. I wish him well, but glad he's somewhere else.

Posted by: Keliza64 | February 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I in no way agree with the statement that "there is no better class act in this business". Wilbon has deviated from class and hit bottom with his Sean Taylor comments. He's far from classy.

At the same time, I do wish him a speedy recovery.

Posted by: 1fasthoo | February 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Get well Mike. I agree with Jason, you are a class act and I wish you a speedy recovery.

Posted by: wp | February 2, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Get well, Mike Wilbon. You are one of the good guys and I will miss your witty repartee with Kornheiser. God Bless and Get well. On the subject of the Redskins HOF -- way to go Darrell Green and Art Monk. This means the world to this Skins fan. Best of luck to you and your families.

Posted by: RLRA4803 | February 2, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon a "class act"? I don't think so. This was a perfect opportunity to apologize for his comments about Sean Taylor, but he didn't. I wished him well but won't ever forget.

Posted by: goskins21 | February 2, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

i do not care one bit about that chicago bear fan wilbon, but wish him good recovery. he was also one of the reasons art monk did not make pro bowl by not voting for him.on the skins i am hoping that they do not hire fassel it will be like having norv turner back, lousy coach williams would have been better. fassel could not even hold on to a offense coaching job and no team has had much interest in him except skins. all skins fans should stop buying skins stuff until they get to a super bowl. i will root for them to win no matter what but i will not be buying any skins stuff for a while especially if they hire fassel. they also do not need johson he is not that good anymore.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Please do not come to the Baltimore-Washington area and talk about "your Red Sox". No one cares what teams you like...just do your job.

Posted by: privacy | February 5, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

i hope you don't get well wilbon. you know you're wrong for what you said about sean taylor immediately following his death. you lost alot of respect in the redskins community as well as the black community. get your head straight before you get your health together and be glad no one is blaming you for bringing your sickness on yourself...

Posted by: captaininsano04 | February 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

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