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Getting Wise: Offseason Priorities

On Wednesday, look for a story on what the Redskins have to consider as the offseason ramps up. And along those lines, we're trying something new here today -- video comments. Watch on the jump as Mike Wise talks about what he thinks the Redksins should do in the offseason, then fire back a response with your webcam (you should see a 'reply' button pop up on the upper right corner).

If you don't have webcam access now, or just are a little more traditional, please feel free to sound off with your keyboard in the usual comment space. Enjoy ...

By Jon DeNunzio  |  January 19, 2009; 5:08 PM ET
 
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The FIRST thing we should do...is trim the fat...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | January 19, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If Brian Dawkins plays next year, does he break he get concussed, break his neck, or something worse? Dude leads with his helmet on nearly every tackle. During that game he was launching his head into nearly every tackle

Posted by: saltine182 | January 19, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I've said it here before. Jordan Gross.

Then use the draft for OLB, DL, and other OL. Leave the secondary alone (don't trade Rogers), leave the WR/TE/HB/QB situations all alone too.

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | January 19, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The problem with your plan of getting a big FA is this - Gross is a left tackle just like Samuels and our position of greatest strength on the OLINE. Suggs is a 3-4 OLB and I don't know how good a fit he'd be for our 4-3 scheme. Will Arizona franchise Boldin looking for a trade? Haynseworth would be an impact guy, but he's had attitude and behavior issues (wait is stomping on a Cowboy's head a bad thing?). But you'd be spending your whole budget on him

My preference would be to get several second tier FA's like the Center from Baltimore, LB Karlos Dansby from Arizona.

My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise.

Posted by: thinker11 | January 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on re-signing JC right now. No offense to him, but he does not deserve it yet. If he produces next year, fine. If not, see ya. He is a pro quarterback, if he can't handle pressure, then what good is he to us?

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

1st ,i see if rinehart can start at guard then i look to sign another lineman. (vernon carey). i resign hall , cut taylor springs, kendall daniels , thrash, washington and griffin. i look to tradedown at # 13 or pick orapko if he is there (big if ) if he isnt there i pick the best swing guy available , mack unger , or oher, jason smith. in round 3 i look at olb. in rounds 5 and 7 i look at d/lineman . i insert thomas or kelly in at #`2 wr and move ARE to slot. lastly i give campbell the year to sink or swim with a strong o/line and another year in the WCO

Posted by: redskinsdad7 | January 19, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Wise:

Yes, extend Campbell with a modest contract.

Yes, you do need a big time FA (Gross, Suggs or Boldin). I wanted Boldin last offseason

As long a Portis run between the tackles, this offese will stall. Portis cannot continue to be a 30 carries a game back. We need to change it up more. (Go after Sproles).

Give it up....we ain't winning nothing with ARE, James Thrash and Moss.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on re-signing JC right now. No offense to him, but he does not deserve it yet. If he produces next year, fine. If not, see ya. He is a pro quarterback, if he can't handle pressure, then what good is he to us?

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009 6:25 PM |

If he produces next year he's gonna be a lot more expensive than he would now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to revamp our offensive and defensive lines. Hopefully, this can be done at least in part through the draft. We need a running back, a couple of healthy linebackers, an impact wide receiver who won't drain the bank account. A couple of defensive backs would be nice though we seem to be strong in that position. Sign Jason Campbell, keep Thrash. Add a couple of wide receievers to compete with last year's rookies.

Posted by: elrubatan | January 19, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to revamp our offensive and defensive lines. Hopefully, this can be done at least in part through the draft. We need a running back, a couple of healthy linebackers, an impact wide receiver who won't drain the bank account. A couple of defensive backs would be nice though we seem to be strong in that position. Sign Jason Campbell, keep Thrash. Add a couple of wide receievers to compete with last year's rookies.

Posted by: elrubatan | January 19, 2009 6:42 PM |

Wow, we only need to get new offensive and defensive lineman, linebackers, a wide receiver, a running back, and a couple of defensive backs? That's it? Hell, we can get that with our 4 picks and our great cap position. Of course Thrash is a key player. Wait a minute, is this you James?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The Skins desperately need offensive and defensive line help. The running game with Portis and Betts will be fine if the blocking improves and JC will be fine if he has time to throw the ball. The two rookie WRs have nowhere to go but up after this past season's debacle, especially if JC has time to get them the ball.

I believe the secondary is in fine shape and simply needs a couple of guys up front that can consistetly pressure the opposing QB to be great. Add a couple of run stoppers to the mix and we might be able to beat teams like the Bengals (ugh!) when it matters.

Posted by: EKruse | January 19, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone still want Boldin in Washington? I don't...not after he stormed off the field and didn't celebrate with his "team" going to the SB...then later...made an issue in the locker room.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Anquan-Boldin-even-less-valuable-than-previously?urn=nfl,135311

Hey Bolden YOU IN THE BOWL DUDE! SHUT UP ABOUT YORU OWN STATS!......He just wants to be the star I guess.....

Do NOT want him here in DC!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 19, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I do not think the Redskins should be taking advice from a man who does not understand the simple concept of a leash.

http://media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2008/02/07/News/Icy-Intervention-3194470.shtml

Posted by: skins1110 | January 19, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd take him over ANY receiver we have now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

He also just threw in names form a depth chart rather than do any actual reporting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/14/AR2006021402286.html

Note the correction at the top. Wise had an early copy of the russian roster and just threw the names into the article rater than do any real "reporting."

Posted by: skins1110 | January 19, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

If Boldin walked off the field at halftime with both middle fingers raised to the Arizona coaches and fans I'd still take him over every receiver on our team.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I, agree, except, I think they need a offensive, or defensive lineman, and they should extend campbeells contract

Posted by: wwwgarnercrew215th | January 19, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If Boldin walked off the field at halftime with both middle fingers raised to the Arizona coaches and fans I'd still take him over every receiver on our team.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2009 7:08 PM

I'll raise you...if he shot actual bullets into the stands with a Pacman Jones jersey on I'd take him. And everything I've heard says that the whole thing was overblown anyway.

Now for Wise...wtf are you talking about? The minute they sign a high priced FA you'll write a damn column about "here we go again...overspending". If it ain't Peppers or Gross, it ain't worth it. The best move that could be made this offseason would be to fire Vinny, but since that's out I'll settle for Peppers or Gross.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 19, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Disagree on re-signing JC right now. No offense to him, but he does not deserve it yet. If he produces next year, fine. If not, see ya. He is a pro quarterback, if he can't handle pressure, then what good is he to us?

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009 6:25 PM

Campbell has played very well in my opinion when you take into account the spotty OL protection and a lack of a real number 2 receiver since he's been here. And I'll remind folks since its often not mentioned when he's being criticized, he has yet to have a full year to learn any one offensive system. I noticed he lost only ONE fumble ALL year. I also noticed he had one of the lowest yd per catch averages in the league, which usually points to either a very conservative game plan and/or an inability of receivers to get open deep. One last tidbit, he had a higher QB rating than Big Ben of Pittsburgh.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 19, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Boldin is NOT A FREE AGENT!!!

He has 2 years left on his contract. We would have to trade most likely our 1st and a couple other picks for it to happen. So yeah i pass. If we offered the package we offered for Chad Johnson last offseason i would have been fine. The Bengals are so stupid for turning that down.

Gross is a LT but he is talented enough to move over. Haynesworth would solve our pass rush problems, and drafting a DT would take a couple years most likely for him to develop in the the double team eating DT we need.

Sign Hall, Haynesworth, Suggs/Dansby.

Draft OL with 13th pick.

Posted by: mikejc80 | January 19, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

We need an innovative offensive coordinator whose name is not Zorn, and then see what we can do with what we've got on hand. In this economy, that's what most any corporation would do.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 19, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should avoid making any free agent signings for mega-bucks, so that means no Jordan Gross, no Terrell Suggs either.

Keep the 4 draft picks and start to make the tough decisions to unload veterans who are no longer productive enough: Thrash, Taylor, Washington, Fabini, Jansen, etc.

I know this club is probably going to end up keeping Jansen due to the cap hit and all, but in my heart of hearts I would cut him and take the hit.

This team needs to get younger and more athletic.

There can be no more piecemeal changes - we need to make 2009 the year we clear the decks for potential action in 2010.

Let's take the pain now when the club is obviously not among the elite at 8-8 and with questions at the quarterback position.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 19, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Now for Wise...wtf are you talking about? The minute they sign a high priced FA you'll write a damn column about "here we go again...overspending". If it ain't Peppers or Gross, it ain't worth it. The best move that could be made this offseason would be to fire Vinny, but since that's out I'll settle for Peppers or Gross.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 19, 2009 7:22 PM

I would LOVE for the Skins to sign a top tier free agent who is IN HIS PRIME. My problem is when they sign guys who are just about used up, like Bruce Smith or Deon Sanders or worse yet, when they give up high round draft picks for the guy to boot, like Jason Taylor. Guys like Fletcher, Washington, Moss and Griffin have served us well. I would have no trouble serving up some of Danny's money to sign Haynesworth, Suggs, Peppers, Gross, or Bouldin.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 19, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lord. It's scary enough reading responses on RI. Now you're saying we gotta LOOK at the commenters, too?

Truthfully, as Jason Reid has shown all season and now Mike Wise backs up, chattering without a prompter doesn't make for the most coherent commentary.

Once again fellas. You work on a NEWSPAPER. Leave the TV stuff to TV stations.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

++++My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise.
Posted by: thinker11+++

Well I’d have taken DeSean Jackson over any of those guys, but more importantly you’re confusing Superman—who spun the Earth backwards, and Star Trek IV. In that episode, the rattletrap Klingon Bird of Prey spun around the Sun to go back in time.

By far the best of the Star Treks, IMO.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

++++My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise.
Posted by: thinker11+++

Well I’d have taken DeSean Jackson over any of those guys, but more importantly you’re confusing Superman—who spun the Earth backwards, and Star Trek IV. In that episode, the rattletrap Klingon Bird of Prey spun around the Sun to go back in time.

By far the best of the Star Treks, IMO.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

you're scaring me Cork

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the 'playmaker' should be somebody on the defensive side of the ball and not the WR corps. Mostly my argument is hypothetical in assuming the two second year WRs will step up their game this offseason & our offensive line will improve; a big hypothetical and maybe #13 goes to an O-Lineman or is traded for a packing including Boldin. What is certain is our four picks will not fix our team and it doesn't get any better knowing that Vinny is in charge of resolving this.

Boldin is as good a lock to make plays as anyone on our team. He is the real deal even though Fitz outshines him. So too, could be a guy named Aaron Curry, if hell falls to #13. He is a beast and IMO, more of a lock than any of the DE's on the board or on the Market. Sean Taylor, RIP, was the heart and soul of our defense, making plays and making his presence known. A lot of people's focus was on the decrepit fourth quarter run-D, specifically the D-Line, and I believe that to be a huge problem solved by an aggressive body in the back seven, a OLB, considering all things. An enforcer of the defense, allowing nothing and giving everything. I would not be satisfied with Haynesworth because it sounds like a considerable nomination for the Vinny & Danny classic blooper reel.

My money is on Vinny doing something unthinkable yet completely dumb & costly. But I would love to have Boldin, even if we had to trade two first round picks, but that's me.

No to Chad Johnson. I am so glad the Bengals rejected that deal.

Extend Campbell! If the FO doesn't do this now it's only going to get worse for the fans. Campbell has consistently shown improvement through his career & I do not understand why we haven't committed to him yet. It's sad for anyone who has to live with Daniel Synder and Vinny Cerrato running their teams show.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 19, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Well I’d have taken DeSean Jackson over any of those guys...

Not to preach to the choir, Corkie, but our O.L. still would have stanked up the joint.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 19, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"Sign Hall, Haynesworth, Suggs/Dansby.

Draft OL with 13th pick.

Posted by: mikejc80 | January 19, 2009"

Agree. But if they decide to trade Rogers you might have throw another corner into the mix.
Not sure Haynesworth is a good replacement for Griffin because that's who would get cut first in
that scenario.

In the end I do hope they listen to Blache instead of letting Vinnie just grab up guys like Erasmus James. I think they paid too much for Taylor but if they can bring him back for less he may pay huge dividends allowing them to rebuild through the draft with a bit less urgency on the defensive side.

On the offensive side the entire OL needs to be rebuilt NOW. They can't wait.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Hell, we can get that with our 4 picks and our great cap position. Of course Thrash is a key player. Wait a minute, is this you James?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2009"

Gee and Thrash is paid so much Skippy!? Jason said it best. Thrash is for the specials. Now, if one of those 2 prized 2nd round picks had stepped up and at least played on the specials well Thrash might well be on his way out.

But no, they couldn't run patterns, catch balls and tackle or block on the specials for that matter.

So, Skippy, if you cut Thrash who do you replace him with? Hot air?

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"Disagree on re-signing JC right now. No offense to him, but he does not deserve it yet. If he produces next year, fine. If not, see ya. He is a pro quarterback, if he can't handle pressure, then what good is he to us?

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009"

Gee, and so many prognosticators thought that J. Flacco was so much better than. I think Jason did much better against Pittsburgh ...

Yes, they need to resign him. Maybe its because Gibbs personally picked him ... and Vinnie wasn't that involved ... who knows how the political machinations at Redskins Park work? The guy with Snidely Owl's parents framed picture on his desk will likely screw the pooch on this too ... sigh ...

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens have 3 linebackers who will be free agents, not just Suggs and Lewis. Bart Scott would likely be a significant upgrade given the condition of McIntosh's knees. And cost less than Suggs or Lewis. He is only 28.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

On Campbell:
Was anybody else watching to games! His 4 second release. West coast offense you need a quick release and campbell does not and never will have one. He waits until he is pressured and then start his windup. He didnt throw alot of picks because he never took any chances or shots downfield except for the games against NO and ARI. In my opinion, he will never be what we need or what him to be. He is what we thought he was. AVERAGE

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, extend Campbell with a modest contract."

You make it significant, but mostly salary and back-load it with incentive bonuses that on depend on performance increasing each year. You can't pay the guy less than his backup. That is where he is at right now.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Some of you guys are plain crazy or just not very bright with your posts, we can't sign a marquee FA because oh yeah we have no cap space for that and whats the rationale behind release 5 starters just to use that cap space to sign 1 doesnt make much sense now does it...and we can't lock in campbell for a big contract when he has only proven to be an average qb so far through 4 years and plus what if hes average again next year then we just gave a fairly expensive extension to a qb who can't get over the hump and now we have signed for another 4/5 years

This offseason should rather quiet as we should target FA's like LB's Karlos Dansby(ARI)& Channing Crowder (MIA), and OL like Jason Brown(BAL) and vernon carey(MIA)....all these guys are fairly young mid 20's and have dependable starters that we could sign with cap friendly contracts

When it comes to the draft we should target one of those top 5 blue chip OT prospects or BJ Raji the massive DT from boston college....or trade down for the RIGHT offer

Posted by: hillb03 | January 19, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

periculum I would think that odds on money will have any of the LB's not retained by the Ravens will end up being Jets.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"He didnt throw alot of picks because he never took any chances or shots downfield except for the games against NO and ARI. In my opinion, he will never be what we need or what him to be. He is what we thought he was. AVERAGE"

There were two teams in the conference championship. Campbell was 3 wins zero losses against them. That's not average. Its a lot better than Flacco.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell = Byron Leftwich

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"periculum I would think that odds on money will have any of the LB's not retained by the Ravens will end up being Jets.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2009"

You think Rex Ryan would pull a George Allen and import the entire heart of the Raven's defense there? But there are already guys there and there's the salary cap.

Still you make a good point.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,
Who ever said Flacco was anything more than average. He rode the coat tails of a great defense and is a rookie. He may be great someday but Flacco is also average with more upside.

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Jason Campbell = Byron Leftwich

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009"

Check Leftwich's stats. This year they are impressive. He did pretty damned good when he replaced Ben cold off the bench. Maybe Jacksonville and others wrote him off too soon?

You may be doing the same with Campbell, again a guy who beat the two teams in the conference championship ... and the one from his division twice.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"This offseason should rather quiet as we should target FA's like LB's Karlos Dansby(ARI)& Channing Crowder (MIA), and OL like Jason Brown(BAL) and vernon carey(MIA)....all these guys are fairly young mid 20's and have dependable starters that we could sign with cap friendly contracts"

Bart Scott(BAL) might make a reasonably good FA pickup with the Skins linebacker situation.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

++On Campbell:
Was anybody else watching to games! His 4 second release. West coast offense you need a quick release and campbell does not and never will have one. He waits until he is pressured and then start his windup. He didnt throw alot of picks because he never took any chances or shots down field except for the games against NO and ARI. In my opinion, he will never be what we need or what him to be. He is what we thought he was. AVERAGE

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:23 PM++

Campbell was not drafted to become a WC quarterback, albeit his best college numbers were during a WC scheme, and so it's hard to understand how anybody else out there would be better at the helm than him, especially those with little NFL snaps. As for being average, yes his numbers have been modest but he's just a guy executing the plays as their called. That's all we wanted in the first place, but then our OLine fell apart and our rookie wideouts didn't show up & our defense couldn't stop the run in the fourth quarter.... BUT it's because of an average quarterback named Jason Campbell?

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 19, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

But lost games to Bengals and Rams

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

periculum Ryan will want to install his D, and the best way is to bring in players who are fimilar with the system.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

If you pay Campbell mostly in salary ... a reasonably high salary and back-load the bonuses based on incentive you can always release him if he doesn't pony up. His agent would probably dicker and balk at that ...

And I think Byron Leftwich looks like the perfect guy, (and reasonably inexpensive) to come in and "push" Campbell as a backup trying to make it back to starter. Whereas given Todd Collins advanced age and lack of starting experience, there is no "push" there.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"periculum Ryan will want to install his D, and the best way is to bring in players who are fimilar with the system.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2009"

Maybe they would go to Cincinnati and join Marvin Lewis? He was their first DC.

I don't know I kind of suspect Blache could lure them to the Skins. If he were given the chance by the powers that be.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Matt,
Agreed on the Oline issues but some of those sacks can be avoided with a quick release. I hate to say it but Mcnabb plays above average with a worst cast of WRs than we have. If he played better maybe are defense wouldnt have to make that 4th qtr stop. When is the last time we just beat a team down? Where the fourth qtr didnt matter cause we were just sticking it to them? Is anyone in this league gameplanning to stop Campbell? I just dont see it.

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,
Call me crazy but I think Brennan is the guy to push Campbell. I agree with you on trying to give Campbell a deal that could be easy to get out of.

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"But lost games to Bengals and Rams

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009"

The Rams probably because of Pete Kendall's bonehead play.

Cincinnati ... losing to them was not as bad as the
Rams game. Games outside the conference do not count as much in the regular season. Would much prefer to see them beat Dallas twice and the Giants at least once ... and yes, the Rams.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The experts are saying that the Jets may sign Leftwich to be their starter.

If the Skins could sign him and let him compete with Campbell. Would make Collins a Brunell-like very expensive 3rd stringer ... but it might be worth it.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Periculum,
Call me crazy but I think Brennan is the guy to push Campbell. I agree with you on trying to give Campbell a deal that could be easy to get out of."

Leftwich has the big arm and release you claim Campbell is missing. And good speed a foot. He is now reasonably injury free as well. He was a first round pick and a "home boy"

Colt Brennan does not even come close to Leftwich to compare the two is just silly. Let Colt go to the Jets like Ramsay did. You'll be happy you did.

Posted by: periculum | January 19, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Ohioskin, You're right; our offense is not intimidating anyone but I believe Jason Campbell would be an above average QB in the NFL... given better play calls, stability in pass protection and a deep threat opposite of Tana. I just don't see why we write Campbell off as anything other than a quality, playoff-capable QB who'll have a shot at the big show one day. I do not believe that McNabb would have been any better with our team than Campbell was.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 19, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The bengals game was a really bad one for me. It still hurts! I had to walk out of that stadium listening to all those bengal fans. Man that was rough. On Leftwich, his delivery is just way to long to be a productive starting QB. Yes he lit up our defens for a half but that does not make a season. What were his stats in Atlanta and Jax?

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

When did Leftwich get fast and have a quick release? He has a long windup like Campbell and never runs. He has 378 career yards in 6 years.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 19, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey is still flinching from the fun and gun and was ruined by Spurrier. Brennan has a proven QB developing coach in Zorn. Home boy or not Leftwich is awful. We would be taking a major step back.

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Giving the fans hope with a big-name free agent....isn't that what Dan Snyder tried to do in 2000--Deion, Bruce Smith, Jeff George--we are still paying the price for those foolish ventures. 2nd tier guys who can get the job done on the Ol and Dl is my view. That's how the successful teams have built their clubs. That's how Bethard built the SB 'Skins teams.

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | January 19, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

My offseason priority (if only it could be done) would be to cut the owner and his VP for football operations.

Posted by: jetnarongaolcom | January 19, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Matt,
I think Campbell has to get us to the playoffs before we can call him playoff capable. We were going nowhere until Collins stepped in. Not saying Collins is better but at that time he was lights out. Something Campbell has never showed. I really hope he turns into a great QB.

Posted by: Ohioskin | January 19, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

New idea: let's take the path of least resistance.

Use the four picks in the following manner draft manner: rt, lg/wlb, dt/c, cb

Sign some of the young players (Buzbee, Jackson, Wilson) and pay them with money saved from re-doing C Griffin/J Taylor's contracts. Then, get'm on the field.

Cut Betts and take the cap hit. Replace him with Derrick Ward.

Bring in either Channing Crowder or Bart Scott.

Sign Hall. Tell Carlos he's a third corner and pay him to cover the slot guy. Draft a young guy to challenge Smoot. Let Springs hang around because you've got no betta options.

Give Devin Thomas an honest shot at replacing Randle El, and I bet he beats him out.

Malcolm Kelly is a bust: admit it and move on. Start Fred Davis alongside the drafted yound right tackle to strengthen the o-line.

Finally, both coaches need to loosen up their schemes: Blache needs to use a 4-3/3-4 hybrid blitz look, and Zorn could let JC play out of the shotgun more.

These are simple ideas. They represent the path I'd take.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Ohioskin

The singular advantage Brennan has over Campbell is a review of his college passing numbers reveal him to be an accurate thrower.

Campbell needs a guy moving into open space to get completions, but if you press the Skins small receivers, he's afraid to fit the ball into spaces.

Campbell doesn't hit a guy in stride to get the beloved 'Yards After Catch' that makes the WCO work.

We don't know how Colt will perform in the NFL because, well, he hasn't.

But if he gets on the field at all, it means Campbell has been seriously hurt and Collins incredibly ineffective.

And who wants that to happen?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit this, but I'm a season ticket holder.
I actually invest more in this team per season than I do my 401 k.
I have come to the conclusion that this current group of players and front office are longer worth the investment.
Vinny C has no idea how to draft. I predicted our late season problems because we didn't draft O or D line. Sorry, but someone who trully understands the game knows the game is won on the line. ANY DECENT RB can run behind a great on-line. Just ask Larry Johnson what its like without one.
1) FIRE VINNY C!!! Redskins nation needs to unite and voice its concern.
2) Please sell the Redskins to the fans like the Packers. Synder doesn't know what he is doing either.
3) Give Zorn time. If you fire him before he has time to instill his plan (at least 4 seasons) you are mentally incompetent.
4) Trade Portis NOW!!! We can get multiple draft picks for him and his career will QUICKLY end after next season. RB's don't make it past 30 anymore.
5) Pray Jason C finally becomes the pro bowl QB he could be.

Posted by: Bone1 | January 19, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I am critical of JC's play but I am rooting for him to succeed. All I am saying is that we should wait to see it he does it next year before signing him to a longterm deal. He needs to throw for 20 td's minimum.

Part of the deal could be the Zorn-handcuffs. How many times did we operate under the center this year on second and third and long? Nobody thought we were running, including our opponents.

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Is Big Ben a West Coast qb? How about Flacco? The 'Skins drafted a qb in the Mark Rypien/Doug Williams mold, and now we're trying to fit this round peg into a West Coast offense square hole. Once again the ineptitude of the Snyderrato rears its head; hiring Zorn for his 'philosophy' vs. a coach who can build a system around what you have. If any FA they seek is older than 27, leave them alone. We want young and hungry guys, not greedy ones looking to get paid. We want folks looking to make a name for themselves vs. names looking for a paycheck.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 19, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Bone1:

Agree on firing Vinny.
Agree on trading Portis.

We need a real football mind running the Skins. Vinny couldn't win my fantasy league. Portis is a stud, but he is one more injury from being doneski. Plus, his me-first attitude sucks.

Posted by: boot1 | January 19, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

If we only signed Haynesworth and Dansby in Free Agency I would be happy...
DLine: Evans, Haynesworth, Golston, Carter
(Depth with Alexander, Montgomery, draft a DE, Chris Wilson, Rob Jackson)
LB: Dansby, Fletcher, Mcintosh (Blades, Fincher, Campbell)
DB: Hall, Rogers, (Smoot, Tryon??)
S: Landry, Horton (Doughty, Moore)
Thats a pretty nasty D

Draft a Tackle at 13 and plug him in right away and sign Engram to solidify receivers. Also sign a cheap veteran interior O lineman for backup. If we can trade betts and sign sproles

OLinemen: Samuels, Rinehart, Rabach, Thomas, Rookie (Jansen, Heyer, draft an interior linemen, Geisenger, Sign a cheap interior O linemen)
FB: Sellers
RB: Portis (Sproles, Cartwright)
WR: Moss, Thomas (ARE, Kelly, Engram)
TE: Cooley (Davis, Yoder)
QB: (JC, Todd, Colt)

Posted by: jeffco01 | January 19, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

It looks likegetting Jason Brown as a low cost FA signing isn't going to be that simple. Thisis from scouts.com

Ravens Center Wants to be Paid

A league source said that Jason Brown, who is set to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of February, is expecting to become possibly the highest paid center in the league.

The former fourth-round pick of the Baltimore Ravens out of the 2005 draft has started 45 games for the club.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed C Jeff Faine to a six-year, $37.5 million deal last year and Brown will likely be looking for bigger deal, according to the source.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

These are the 'skins free agents this year. Who do you keep?

Player # Pos Exp
Alfred Fincher 51 LB 3
Anthony Montgomery 94 DT 3
Brandon Archer 56 LB 1
Byron Westbrook 34 CB 1
DeAngelo Hall 23 CB 5
Demetric Evans 92 DL 7
Ethan Albright 67 LS 14
Horace Gant 84 WR 0
Isaiah Ross 72 OL 1
Jason Fabini 69 OL 11
Johnny Baldwin 57 LB 1
Justin Geisinger 68 OG 2
Kedric Golston 64 DT 3
Khary Campbell 50 LB 7
Marques Hagans 80 WR 2
Michael Grant 40 S 1
Mike Green 25 S 8
Nehemiah Broughton 36 FB 3
Pete Kendall 66 OL 13
Reed Doughty 37 S 3
Rueben Riley 71 OL 2
Ryan Boschetti 73 DT 5
Shaun Suisham 6 K 3

Posted by: bangkokben | January 19, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

How long until Larry Fitzgerald becomes a FA? Any chance that Danny could convince Dan Rooney to trade the Steelers' defensive line for our O-line and D-line plus a couple of million in cash?

Posted by: skipper7 | January 19, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Forget "Getting Wise"... this shabingus should be titled "Redskins Underfunded"; combined with "Redskins Unrestricted" and "Redskins UnDauphinated".
I hadn't realized you could go any cheaper than 'third stall from the left', but there ya go.

Posted by: daggar | January 20, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

All this tlk about draft picks and FA's doesn't matter when Danny boy still owns the team. has he ever demonstrated any competence as a team owner? I he as good as the Bidwell's? Sorry we are stuck with the worst owner in professional sports and Redskins will never make it to either the NFC Championship game or the Super Bowl with Danny Boy as owner. So Redskin fans you have another 40 years of suffering.

Posted by: sheepherder | January 20, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Why has nobody talked about cutting Randle El and replacing him with Engram. Engram is exactly what Randle El is, a slot reciever, except that engram will take 2 mil for 60 catches and randle el costs over 6 mil for less than 50

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the Steelers, can't help but contrast that organization to the Skins. Rooney vs. Snyder is Class vs. Crass. Steelers has three coaches for four decades, and look at us. Steelers has an identity and you know what you're going to get when you play them. The only constant with the Skins is the Snyder / Vinny folly du jour. We can talk about positions, free agents and drafts; but as long as Snyder owns the team; they will never get to the pinnacle. It's time to dump the season tickets, it's the only message we can send this regime; vote with your feet.

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | January 20, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

The Truth read "The Blind Side" my Micheal Lewis over the weekend. Great book! I had heard about it before but someone on here recommended it so I picked it up. Really good, and I started on Moneyball immediately afterward. Moneyball started out really good but I didn't have enough time to read much of it.

The Truth is taking Arizona to win the Superbowl. Larry Fitzgerald in the NFL is like The Truth on this blog, unstoppable and devastating.

The Truth says we shouldn't take ANY of the top free agents. Leave that crap alone. 75% of the time we get a FA they bust. Haynesworth could go to 31 other teams and maybe be defensive player of the year, but if he comes to Washington, by default he will be a bust. Sorry folks, it's just the sad, simple Truth.


Draft OL, duh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

And give Rob Jackson a shot, this guy showed alot in the pre-season and when he got in, hes got a good motor and is quick as hell, if blatche tuned up his technique he could be a beast.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

plus he is rated 78 in madden for a 7th round pick, not bad vinnie...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

" but more importantly you’re confusing Superman—who spun the Earth backwards, and Star Trek IV. In that episode, the rattletrap Klingon Bird of Prey spun around the Sun to go back in time.

By far the best of the Star Treks, IMO.

Posted by: TheCork"


"Oh Lord. It's scary enough reading responses on RI. Now you're saying we gotta LOOK at the commenters, too?

Posted by: TheCork"


irony

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Star Trek II Rulz
Star Trek IV Drulz*


*Rulz/Drulz is a registered trademark of ChrisLarry, Inc.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

and who kicked the cable?

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"plus he is rated 78 in madden for a 7th round pick, not bad vinnie...

Posted by: DaFunBunch "

Horton is like a 63 or something in Madden!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

wow, just some AWESOME idea's, especially moe, those were GOLD, my friend....I especially like the 'dump betts' and the 'admit kelly is a bust'...those were just...wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Truth, next weekend spend a few minutes learning what "irony" means. Also, drop the third person, it sucks.

Posted by: mack1 | January 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Truth

If reading "The Blind Side" influenced your thinking about the importance of Mike Oher, would you take him at 13?

And if he's not there, who do you take?

The Madden GM would try to move out of the first round if he's gone. He's of singular importance as the ability to play both guard/tackle speaks of the kind of athleticism the Skins o-line could use.

If I can move down, I take the next availiable tackle when the pick I get came. Assuming I trade down, I take another o-lineman with my newly acquired late round pick I want for having down so.

If I can't move, and Oher is gone, Orakpo-Texas is the choice. But If Harvin or Jeremy Maclin--both speedy wideouts-- are there on the board, Moe might morph into Matt Millen, and add to the glut at wide receiver.

I mean, don't the Lions need company....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Oher will be long gone by 13. A lot of people have moved him ahead of Smith. The Skins have a more realistic shot at Eugene Monroe or that dude from Baylor.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINES BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THREE YEARS.
I hate NEW fans if you werent watching in the 70's YOU KNOW NOTHING.
Keep THRASH?
Got to be kidding find a young receiver that don't mind tackling.
JC will be alright if he can stay upright.
What worked last year may not in the new year.
You must have good line play first!

Posted by: shamken | January 20, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"Truth, next weekend spend a few minutes learning what "irony" means. Also, drop the third person, it sucks.

Posted by: mack1"

Irony.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

mack1

In defense of use of the third person.

Both Moe and the Madden GM are distressed that some insensitive parties characterize their use of the royal "we" as a system of locution that, well 'sucks'.

That's your word.

Both Truth, Moe the Madden GM and others who use the imperious third person are aware that it's use is stilted, confounding, and connotes the high-handed tone expected out of the gifted.

Which is why we use it like we do, bro'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Both Truth, Moe the Madden GM and others who use the imperious third person are aware that it's use is stilted, confounding, and connotes the high-handed tone expected out of the gifted.

Which is why we use it like we do, bro'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse


Irony.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I won't say the book influenced my thoughts, I've said we should take any of the top 4 tackles that fall to us.

If none do, moving out would be fine. Periah Jerry at DT would also be a possibility at #13, but I really think we need someone on the OL with a first round/early-to-mid second round pick.

Trading our #13 for two seconds would be awesome, but I don't think it'll happen. And I would only like that move if all the top 4 tackles are gone.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

From stinker11: "My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise."
True. The Skins ain't Starship Enterprise. But take it from me, dude. I have watched enough episodes of "Lost" to see that the answer is quantum physics. "Schrodinger's Cat" will show us the way. For sure.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | January 20, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The Truth speaks in third person because The Truth is better than mack1.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Horton is like a 63 or something in Madden!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Horton is an even 80 and Mike Green is a 76. I thought it was interesting how high they have Chris Wilson, he's a 78 and Jackson is a 76.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"According to five sources, several Cowboys offensive players lost respect for Jason Garrett for his failure to corral quarterback Tony Romo in practice. Romo, sources said, often forced throws in practice and often did not treat practice work consistently. The quarterback's practice habits were so bad, sources said, that they affected the way he played in games and could have factored into the offense's problems. Sources said Terrell Owens was upset that Romo directed more passes at tight end and close friend Jason Witten as opposed to the other receivers who he deemed open. Owens has declined to discuss that issue. The relationship between Garrett and his offensive players will be an important issue for the unit to work out. Garrett was unsuccessful in his bid to land recent head coaching jobs in Denver, Detroit and St. Louis. Specifically, the relationship between the mercurial Owens and Garrett is in question. Other receivers respect Owens and often share his sentiments. When asked about his relationship with Owens, Garrett said Monday, "I have a lot of respect for him, certainly as a player, we'll just leave it at that, OK?" Romo, according to a source, was also personally offended when Garrett was critical of his play late in the season."

what a buncha losers

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"Actually, Horton is an even 80 and Mike Green is a 76. I thought it was interesting how high they have Chris Wilson, he's a 78 and Jackson is a 76.

Posted by: zjfr2 "

you must have the patches? I haven't had my 360 connected online since I got Madden.


PS is MistaMoe the same person as The Madden GM? Or does The Madden GM hang around with MistaMoe and MistaMoe posts for both of them?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

3 Indisputable Axioms for Improving the Skins:

1) ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING WILL COME TOGETHER IN 2 YEARS TIME.

-no FAs that will be 30 years old when the season begins (no Peppers, no Gross), what's the point of overpaying these guys to be on the wrong side of 30 once the rest of the team gets up to speed? We are NOT one piece away

-Suggs or Dansby fit the bill since they are younger;

-for the love of all that is holy and righteous, we CANNOT sing Haynesworth - he is destined to be a bust here

-go through your present roster and ask yourself who has the potential to be an impact player/contributing at a high level in 2 years and GIVE THEM PLAYING TIME NOW; this also means cutting guys who are old or demanding that they take vet minimums

2) PAY THE GUYS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN OPERATING IN YOUR SYSTEM

-no more $20mill contracts to the Archletas and Lloyds of the NFL; sign/pay guys that have been working in your system that you want to keep

-resign Hall AND Rogers, keep the secondary intact since it was the strength of the team (w/ exception of Springs unless he takes a MASSIVE pay cut); make sure Demetric Evans doesn't get away

-give JC a modest contract now (whoever said Byron Leftwich is CRAZY; I can't think of anyone less suited for the WCO)

3) YOU DON'T NEED TO MESS AROUND WITH ENTERPRISE OR SUPERMAN TIME TRAVEL

-a much simpler solution would be to send a Terminator back in time to take out Vinny and Danny's moms...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, my ps3 is online so it updates automatically.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

wheres the eagles fans that were posting on here last week??? cry eagles cry!!!! I say give JC a modest contract extension, get a serviceable young OLB to replace 53 in free agency and draft the best lineman availible come april be it defensive or offensive. probably offensive becuase there is always one terrible bust a year with defensive linemen, seems like oline is easier to know how a guy is gonna do in the NFL

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Truth

Yes--I have to post for the both of them.

That's explains the maddening, 'factless' inconsistencies, the ranting, the raving.

One diagrams plays and reads The Tipping Point, the other complains that with the new president, the liberals are all over the tv and he's pissed.

They already both miss the incompetence and torture of the Bush years.

To them, waterboarding is kinda like what a Skins fans goes through at the thought of the Cardinals in the Supa Bowl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

a much simpler solution would be to send a Terminator back in time to take out Vinny and Danny's moms...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Why not send a note to Vinny and Dan back in an '85 DeLorean? It's very effective and much less messy than a Terminator would be.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

a much simpler solution would be to send a Terminator back in time to take out Vinny and Danny's moms...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Why not send a note to Vinny and Dan back in an '85 DeLorean? It's very effective and much less messy than a Terminator would be.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Because I have a feeling that they would pull a Biff Tannon...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny, you are my density."

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

drewkinnear

I just saw that rude iggles fan you asked about.

He was in a sports store buying a Hines Ward jersey.

I asked him, "I thought you were talkin' smack about your team gettin to the supa bowl in a Skins' blog. What happened?"

"Larry Fitzgerald is what happened, bro'."

"What about loyalty?" I asked.

He asked if loyalty was a word used by Americans.

He said he hadn't heard of it before.

He took of his tattered Westbrook jersey, pulled on the stillers' brand and dipped out of the store. He was headed for the black 'n gold Pittsburgh bandwagon a lot of folks have jumped on...

...'cept us diehard Skins fans!

Hail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

From PFW on the Senior Bowl:

On a tip from Missouri alumnus, fan and general college football maven Eric Edholm, I closely watched Missouri DT Ziggy Hood. And I liked what I saw. He plays with tremendous energy.

One North offensive lineman I liked: Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt, whom Connecticut DE Cody Brown and Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew said was their toughest matchup of the day on Monday. The 6-7, 340 Loadholt looked very good in the drills I watched

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"One North offensive lineman I liked: Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt, whom Connecticut DE Cody Brown and Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew said was their toughest matchup of the day on Monday. The 6-7, 340 Loadholt looked very good in the drills I watched"

I think Loadholt would be great as a run blocker, but I've heard some iffy things about his pass protection. I watched Orakpo abuse him earlier this year as well. But I wouldn't mind getting him in the 2nd round...you can't teach 6'8 330lbs


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

if Vinny decides to trade down that is

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm 100% for drafting anyone named Ziggy, even Ziggy Marley.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

yod, orakpo abused a lot of people this year, I think Loadhold would be better served in the pro's on the right side, and not the left.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

yea, Orakpo is a monster...but that's the only real NFL talent Loadholt faced all year in the Big 12. I agree that he could definitely be a force on the right side though, that's where he's projected. Question is, will Vinny trade down? I'm all in favor of trading down, the Skins have too many needs and a youth movement is needed. I'm interested to see what they could get for the 13th pick however, with guys like Bradford staying in school.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

3) YOU DON'T NEED TO MESS AROUND WITH ENTERPRISE OR SUPERMAN TIME TRAVEL

-a much simpler solution would be to send a Terminator back in time to take out Vinny and Danny's moms...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

that is about the funniest thing i've read in a day or so.

"Barbara Snyder?"
"Yes...."

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 20, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny, you are my density."

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

solid, McFly...

"I mean....my destiny..."

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 20, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

watch the Tuna snag Loadholt with our 2nd rounder and the dude turns into a perrenial pro-bowler. That would be a swift kick in the pants...(doesn't have to be Loadholt, I'll be sure to follow that pick intently next year)

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Its pretty simple what the reskins have to do....no rocket science.

Cut the fat as someone else said, we can save nearly 20 million by not bringing back most of our aging vets: M Wash, J Taylor, C Griffin...are all def gone, maybe Rabach and Jansen

1) Resign D Hall
2) Hope that Springs will restructure and move him to FS. If he doesn't agree...he's gone
3) Resign all restricted FA's
4) Sign a new C... I like Jason Brown from the Ravens
5) Sign a new LG or RT...we must get 1 of the 2 or both
6) Sign Bart Scott, T Suggs, Channing Crowder, Karlos Dansby Dansby or Angelo Crowell
7) Sign C Canty or R Bernard as a DT

Trade down in the draft, from 13 to the late 1st or early 2nd

*Take BA OL or DL with 1st pick
*Take the opposite with the next pick
*Take OLB or 2 in the draft to back up our FA OLB and to replace K Campbell
*Trade our 5th pick for a 6th and a 7th
*Take Sakoda from Utah, he can be our kicker and punter....get rid of Plack and shishy...and save a roster spot for a DL, DB or OL because of this great move

We get most of this accomplished and we will be a payoff team soon, and not just for a 1 or 2 year thing like we are now... for the future.

Posted by: avbanig | January 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

We get most of this accomplished and we will be a payoff team soon,

Posted by: avbanig | January 20, 2009 11:18 AM

Well we already are a payoff team. Problem is Dan Snyder's the only one who's receiving the payoff and the rest of us are on the other end. If he's the payoff, we're the payons, also written peons.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Aaaahhhh.....things are back to normal up here in the Philly area. As I predicted, Karma really is a witch. Eagles fans all over the area now don't know what to do with those plane tickets to Tampa that they bought last week. The best thing is that I can watch the news again without puking. Friday morning around here you wouldn't have known that there was a plane that landed in the Hudson the day before, or that we were inaugurating a new President this week, because the lead in stories on all of the channels was how badly the Eagles were going to beat the cards, and that anyone with a playoff beard get's into Chickie and Pete's bar with no cover charge, and the buffalo wings are going to be GREEN.......it was unbelieveable. If I had to hear that frikkin eagles chant one more time.....I love it.

Anyway, I have always been a bit critical of all of the Mcnabb detractors up here (up here in Philly, not RI), but I think I have to say that if the eagles had a more accurate passer they may have won that game. There were at least 2 or 3 times where he had an open guy that could have gone the distance if he hadn't thrown the ball behind them or into the ground. Who knows, but it is to laugh. It's kind of the same thing that JC17 seems to be a little guilty of. Hopefully that is what he will be working on this offseason. Anyway, go Cards!

I notice that POS eagles fan who was shooting his mouth off up here has not returned....good thing he's not a fair weather-fan or anything.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 20, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

COWBOYS POISED TO MAKE A RUN AT RAY?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2009, 8:14 a.m. EST
We raised the possibility last year, when the brother of Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis signed a free-agent contract after the draft with the Dallas Cowboys.

Though Keon Lattimore didn’t stick in Texas, the fact remains that the Cowboys apparently want Lewis. (Lattimore, by the way, finished the 2008 season on the Jaguars’ practice squad.)

According to Mike Preston of the Baltimore Sun, there’s a rumor that the Cowboys are very interested in the veteran linebacker. The oddly-specific speculation is that the Cowboys are willing to give Lewis a three-year deal worth $27 million to $30 million, with $25 million guaranteed.

It would be a wise move for any team to chase Lewis. He is a natural leader, and he gets those around him to play with the same passion he possesses, regardless of injury or illness.

Since the Cowboys lack any real leadership from their current coaching staff, they need it wherever they can get it.

They’d get it from Lewis.

And we’d pay more money than the face value of a Super Bowl ticket to see the first “discussion” between Lewis and receiver Terrell Owens regarding the way things are now going to happen in Dallas.

That said, the Ravens surely won’t give up Lewis without a fight. They’ll be trying to sign him to a new deal, and they can always use the franchise tag to keep him in place.

But Lewis might be ready to move on. He had been clamoring for a new deal from time to time over the past four years; now that he has completed what the team had always described as his retirement deal, maybe he’ll want to retire from the Ravens and get paid big money by someone else.

Someone like the Cowboys.

Of course, it technically would be tampering for the Cowboys to contact Lewis directly before the start of the free agency period or to deliberately leak the intended contract offer in order to throw a wrench (or a knife) into the Ravens’ attempt to re-sign Lewis. But there’s a big difference between the stuff that technically is tampering and the stuff that actually results in a finding that tampering has occurred.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

From Walter Football

B.J. Raji has a lot of buzz right now. Many of the draft scouts I talked to were blown away with his performance today, including myself. As to no surprise, yours truly feels like he is one of the more underrated players in the country, and I have him going to the Packers at No. 9 in my mock draft. That's probably his ceiling, but if he continues to show great agility, strength, and quickness, then why not the top 10?

Another defensive lineman who had a great day was Ziggy Hood of Missouri. He is the prototype three technique and he played like it today. He shows a great ability to dip and explode through the guard. He executed a swim move to perfection against Max Unger when he was at right guard. He really impressed me at the weigh-in because he carried his weight well and had proportional lengths. His play and build led me to believe he has a strong work ethic.

Couple other things, Walter Johnson, weighed in at 382, and apparently carried the weight well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

FYI - Change is about to happen.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

KEEP AN EYE ON SOUTH BEND
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2009, 12:27 a.m. EST
With each passing hour, speculation is mounting that former Bucs coach Jon Gruden could become the next coach at Notre Dame.

Apart from the rumors published recently in the New York Daily News, we’re hearing more and more talk pointing to the possibility that something will be going down, apparently right after the Irish’s incoming recruiting class give their binding, written commitments to attend the school, on the assumption that Weis will be the head coach.

And so, once it’s too late for the recruits to change their minds, they might find out that they’ll have a new head coach when spring practice opens.

We’ve got no idea whether something actually is going down, but there’s enough smoke to force the Irish to address the situation.

As we’d heard it in December, the powers-that-be weren’t going to dump Weis unless and until they had someone whom they regarded as a better option under contract. We’d heard that it was Cincinnati’s Brian Kelly.

And so, not long after Kelly said he wasn’t leaving UC, it was no surprise that ND said Weis would get another year.

All that said, if Notre Dame is going to swap out a portly coach with a sour disposition for a short, thin coach with a sour disposition, it’s only fair to the recruits to do it now, so that the kids will be able to make their commitments based on the most truthful and accurate information available.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

flound, good to have you back.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Watching the inauguration with my wife and kids, but I had to see what was going on in the football world.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm watching at work. Some good stuff starting to filter in about the upcoming draft:

From SI

BJ Raji/DT/Boston College: The Eagles' massive interior lineman was almost unblockable throughout the day in the North's practice. Raji displayed a very quick first step off the snap, which gave offensive linemen fits. He made it harder on his opponents by swatting blockers to the ground as they were left wondering how he got by them so easily

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Raji could be a good pickup with 13, he would be hard to pass up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather we talk about the change AFTER the fact, not before.

Obama could be the Taylor Jacbos of presidents, and if I had to bet I'd bet on it.

Yall act like the dude isn't a politician or something. How about we elect someone who isn't a politician! That's the change I want!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama just got sworn in poor guy was so nervous he was having trouble reciting his lines.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

If Obama is going to be the Taylor Jacobs of presidents then who was Bush?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

that didn't go smoothly...

Raji has peaked my curiousity, I haven't seen much of him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Little Danny will not make a splashy offseason FA acquisition. He can't. He lost hundreds of millions on Six Flags, Johnny Rockets, and some lousy AM radio stations.

We used to have an owner with the football mind of Matt Millen but with a fat checkbook. That didn't work. So now we have an owner with the football mind of Matt Millen and the checkbook of... Matt Millen. Let's see how that works out for us...

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama wasn't nervous, the chief justice screwed it up he changed some words

If Obama is going to be the Taylor Jacobs of presidents then who was Bush?

Posted by: Flounder21

kept us save for 8 years

Posted by: connskins | January 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Conn,

I will not get into a political discussion with you on this blog.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

PACKERS TO MOVE TO A 3-4
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2009, 11:50 a.m. EST
With defensive coordinator Dom Capers joining the Green Bay Packers, coach Mike McCarthy says that the team will be making the potentially radical change from a 4-3 alignment to the 3-4.

“It gives you the ability to utilize your personnel, the flexibility,” McCarthy said, per the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal. “[It] doesn’t mean we won’t line up in a four-man front. We’ll move in and out of both four-man and three-man fronts.”

But that’s what most 3-4 teams do. On running downs, the defense uses three linemen and four linebackers. On passing downs, one of the linebackers lines up as a defensive end in a four-man front.

And so for the current defensive ends — Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampman — the question will be whether they become one of the “3″, or one of the “4″.

Since Kampman weight considerably less then Jenkins, Kampman is more likely to become a linebacker.

Typically, defensive ends in a 3-4 set become anonymous, since the primary job is to tie up offensive linemen so that the linebackers can get to the ball. But for Richard Seymour of the Patriots, few traditional defensive ends have become stars in a 3-4 front.

As to players who are in a two-point stance for traditional rushing downs and a three-point starting position on passing downs, the possibility of praise and Pro Bowls and big money awaits.

The other thing that the Packers will need right away is a big, fat nose tackle who can clog the middle of the line. Whether one of their current 4-3 tackles can make the same kind of transition that Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins successfully accomplished for the Browns and Jets, respectively, in 2008 remains to be seen.

From the standpoint of the Packers’ competition, a 3-4 alignment could give the other NFC North teams fits since they all use, and are accustomed to seeing, 4-3 formations. That said, the Packers will also have to develop a solid scout team defense or their offense will soon have trouble preparing to face their 4-3 foes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

If Obama is going to be the Taylor Jacobs of presidents then who was Bush?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Dana Stubblefield.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Its pretty simple what the reskins have to do....no rocket science.

Cut the fat as someone else said, we can save nearly 20 million by not bringing back most of our aging vets: M Wash, J Taylor, C Griffin...are all def gone"

Ridiculous comment.....Zorn and Blache LOVE Griffin, absolutely love him. He stays.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

but wait, it can't be as simple as just deciding to do it....I've been told you have to hire a entire new coaching staff and completely change your personnel. Dom Capers, who has coached 4-3s more recently than a 3-4 can't possibly be able to coach a 3-4 just like Greg Blache who has been so varied as to coach running backs at Notre Dame can't possibly coach a 3-4 now....oh well, hope we are able to find that unicorn we've been looking for that can get us pressure, Bruce Smith, Andre Carter, and Jason Taylor weren't it, but we're just one more signing away so we should never even consider changing our scheme....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Packers moving to a 3-4 might mean they get Raji before the Skins do.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Football is not about loving players it's a buisness, and if they can get rid of an older player who is often injured and free up cap space it is the proper move.

Good teams such as Pittsburgh no when to let older guys walk, and let younger guys take there place.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

there you go zj, now you have hope, what was the packers defense ranked last year?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

zj,

I posted that just for you, I wanted you to have more ammunition for your argument.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

there you go zj, now you have hope, what was the packers defense ranked last year?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Once again missing the point, keep sticking your in the sand with the what were we ranked line, most everybody else saw that our defense could not get pressure, couldn't stop the run or get of the field when it matters, or force turnovers. If it wasn't for Hall we would have had a negative turnover ratio for the season with the league leader in INTs thrown on our team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

ty flounder

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

yod, thats a good call right there. Seems like the pack just showed their draft strategy by making this switch. Raji is definetly their guy, I'd reckon....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

zj, so switching to a 3-4, despite not having the personell is going to solve that problem right?? And I'm the one sticking my head in the sand.

Lets see, the team would need 2 DE's, 1 NT, and at least 3 LB's, yup, I'm the one who is delusional....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"yod, thats a good call right there. Seems like the pack just showed their draft strategy by making this switch. Raji is definetly their guy, I'd reckon...."

I would think that's the direction they'll go, with either Raji or Peria Jerry. DT might be the most unappreciated positions in football. I would love to have a guy like Raji eat up blockers for Fletcher and get some pressure up the middle. I would add "free up our ends to get some pressure on the QB" but we might need some younger playmakers at that position as well.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is going to be the Taylor Jacobs of presidents then who was Bush?

Adam Archuleta!

Posted by: dcwun | January 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Green Bay has an aging defensive backfield; they could take Malcom Jenkins instead of Raji.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, I say again in the case of Griff cutting him is not an option for this team. As I stated before he is beloved by the coaching staff and the players and when Zorn was asked last week who really impressed him with their hard work, training, dedication, the first person he mentioned was Griff. The others Zorn acknowledged were Fletcher, Santana (who he praised HIGHLY) and shockingly Fred Davis.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Green Bay has an aging defensive backfield; they could take Malcom Jenkins instead of Raji."

That's what most mocks have, but that was before the change in defenses. All 3-4's have to have a dominate guy in the middle to be successful. Guess it depends on how highly they view the DT's they already have.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 20, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

kept us save for 8 years

Posted by: connskins | January 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse


Tell that to the victims of 9/11. Not that I'm blaming Bush personally for that, but nonetheless, don't say he kept us safe for 8 years.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, the team would need 2 DE's, 1 NT, and at least 3 LB's, yup, I'm the one who is delusional....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

You as smart as you are annoying, to make the switch the team would need 1 NT and two LBs that's it. Carter, Wilson, Jackson, Alexander, Monte, Gholston, Daniels and Evans are all already on the team if you didn't know that and would in some rotation fill the roles of the DEs and outside blitzers and Monte could even go to the NT on obvious passing downs, the same ones you see Casey Hampton and Jamaal Williams go to the sidelines for, so really we need a fat guy and two linebackers, a little easier than getting Peppers or Haynesworth.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

easy rich, political talk usually ends up badly here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"If Obama is going to be the Taylor Jacobs of presidents then who was Bush?"

Bush is the piece of dog sh!t that gets on the bottom of your cleats on the way from the locker room to the practice field.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

You're correct cutting Griff is not an option it should be an absolute. Remember Zorn is the coach he does not make roster decisions, he may have some input but he does not have final authority.

This team needs to get younger on O-Line and D-Line, keeping a 32 year old DT who could save you cap room is dumb. If the team had a chance to compete for the SB next year maybe I would agree, but this team is going no where for atleast 2-3 years by then Griff. will be gone anyway.

You get the young guys in now so that in 2-3 years they have plenty of experience.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

zj, its pretty simple, the defense is not what ails this team, you comprehend this right?? Changing up the defense, is not what the team needs to do, the defense WORKS.

"Carter, Wilson, Jackson, Alexander, Monte, Gholston, Daniels and Evans"

How many of the above have played in a 3-4 and done so successfully?? How many of these guys would be playing out of their normal position in the 3-4??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Usually ends up badly anywhere...

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

kept us save for 8 years

Posted by: connskins | January 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow

Posted by: mack1 | January 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Open competition between JC and Colt. If Division I-AA QB can go to the NFC title game, and Matt Ryan leads to Falcons to playoff game as rookies, Colt should also be given the opportunity.

Hey Ceratto, you jacka$$, how are you going to screw the Skins this offseason?

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, AFC Title game.

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, AFC Title game.

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The defense isn't the biggest problem, fair enough, but one of Cerrato's stated goals is to make moves to increase pressure. Rather than signing Peppers or Haynesworth to the richest contract ever for their positions, which it will take to get them, why not look at scheme to improve.

And why can't a change of scheme improve things? Why are you so sure that changing is impossible and immediately means we'll get worse? And why just because they haven't played in the system before do you assume they couldn't do it? And why are you acting like they are successfully performing now? Other than our secondary and Fletcher our defense is way below average perhaps a scheme change would help that. Kris Jenkins was never a NT in a 3-4 before this year and the Jets D was pretty good this year and he made a solid transition. I would be fine and I think a lot of others would too if we dropped a few spots in the yards allowed category if we became a defense that could get after the QB and force turnovers.

Instead of using our cap room to sign the premier guys to fix a stated issue on unit that performed well why not spend it on the side of the ball that really needs it in the offense and tweak your scheme to utilize the athletic speed rushers sitting on your bench and continue to allow the not great ends you have to eat blocks which is all they do know. IMHO it isn't a ridiculous a suggestion, obviously the Packers didn't think so, and obviously its a hypothetical so I have no proof its the answer, but I do have proof that as is we are a decent defense that nobody fears and that can't make big plays. And that's what we come here to do is talk about possibilities, so if you don't think it is, what's your solution to getting pressure? Signing Peppers? or Haynesworth? and how is that any different that the same moves that got us a roster of old overpaid under-performing players that we have? or do you just have faith that Vinny can draft a guy to fix the issue?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Bones1,
As much as I hate to say it, trading Portis now would be a great idea for the future of this franchise. We could trade to Detroit for one of their 1sts, a 2nd and a 4th or something like that.
With those pics we would be able to bolser our OL,DL, LB, and maybe even pick up a decent looking RB in a later round.
The only problem would be that our cap hit would be huge

Posted by: BostonWarPath | January 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

zf
have to agree with my fellow new englander,you can add defensive coordinator to your list since blache doesn't coach the 3-4..... look we have alot of problems, but if your asking me to fix one its playmakers and oline ...ok thats 2 ...we haven't played well offensively in a league desinged for points since norv... we have been a very solid on d, have been for years...need playmakers there too, but overall we are pretty solid....get some offense.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Why are you so sure that changing is impossible and immediately means we'll get worse"

Because you're putting guys in positions they've never played, or aren't suited to play, thats why. Andre Carter stunk at LB in SF. Look at NE, they have a HUGE NT, in Wilfork, and two 300 plus pound defensive ends in Wilfork, and Warren. Who on the redskins team currently is going to play those roles??

Look at Pitt, they have Hampton on the nose, and then Farrior, Woodley, and Harrison, who on the Redskins is gonna play the role of Farrior Woodley or Harrison??

Why not focus on improving the OFFENSIVE LINE, so that your team can score more than 14 points a game, and the defense can take more chances.

The offense stinks, so lets completely switch up the defense. Sounds COMPLETELY logical.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Open competition between JC and Colt. If Division I-AA QB can go to the NFC title game, and Matt Ryan leads to Falcons to playoff game as rookies, Colt should also be given the opportunity.

Hey Ceratto, you jacka$$, how are you going to screw the Skins this offseason?

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:30 PM

Open competition? What would it look like? How about this: Everyday in practice coach Zorn watches Campbell throw and he watches Colt throw. And every day he thinks "Campbell is better. I think I'll start him this week." How could competition be any more open than this? Problem is that Colt isn't as good, yet, as Campbell.

And when you want Vinnie to "screw us" are you referring to his drafting Colt last year, who you now want to have an "open competition"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I dont have faith Vinny could walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.

You want pressure? Draft one or two big interior lineman a la Big Snack up in Pittsburgh, then get bart scott or ray lewis and move to a 3-4. Our Defensive line is a joke, and I agree, if people think one D lineman (Haynesworth) will change it, well, gimmie a break.

With our other two picks, get offensive linemen. I would love a big wideout (Boldin), I think we need to give those two stupid wideouts we drafted last spring another chance. Maybe this year they might learn a few more plays from the playbook.

My dream? When Big Tuna becomes available, hire him. Then send Vinny to the gallows.

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS POISED TO MAKE A RUN AT RAY?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2009, 8:14 a.m. EST

Apparently, and if I'm Ray, the first thing I do is walk into the lockerroom and cold-cock TO in the mouth, stand over him and say "WHAT?!?!?!?"

It's sad...really, really pathetic. No one in that organization has the spine or leaderly stones to reel in TO. No one commands any respect around there, so Jerry Jones is basically prepared to spend $30 mill on Ray-Ray to be a lockerroom policeman.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW - Whoever is out there pushing a switch to the 3-4 needs to put down the pipe.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

KEEP AN EYE ON SOUTH BEND
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2009, 12:27 a.m. EST
With each passing hour, speculation is mounting that former Bucs coach Jon Gruden could become the next coach at Notre Dame.

++++++++

And why not? Those poor golden-domers did not get what was advertised w/ Weis.

They thought they were getting a coach.

Instead they were getting a serial-cheater using a ProBowl QB.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

bostonwp, "As much as I hate to say it, trading Portis now would be a great idea for the future of this franchise"

Couple things:

1. The cap hit from trying to trade portis would cause the team to have to cut 3-5 players. Reason #1 why this wont happen

2. NO ONE, is giving up a 1, 2, and a 4 for Portis.

zj, to answer this question:

"so if you don't think it is, what's your solution to getting pressure?"

The solution is to improve the offense. Trade back in the draft, spend a pick on the OL, and a pick on the DL, and vastly improve the offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

And when you want Vinnie to "screw us" are you referring to his drafting Colt last year, who you now want to have an "open competition"?

I am referring to two stupid wideouts that dont bother to study the playbook, and one that may not EVER make it to the field with his bad knee. A knee EVERYONE knew about prior to him being drafted. Okay, so that's two second round picks that were stupid. The 3rd 2nd round pick...an a TE when we already have Pro Bowl Cooley. Oh, dont forget the punter and a 3rd round Offensive linemen who didnt start ONE GAME for the Skins. And the story line from Redskins park..."he wasnt ready". Then you dont draft him...period. OR, you put his butt in the game and let him learn. Honest to goodness, Fabini was better??? Puleez.

Talent, please dont make me sit here and explain why that Hack Ceratto has "SCREWED US" year over year.

Ceratto got Colt right, but he fell into our lap. As I understand it, Horton was a pick from Zorn, not Ceratto.

Posted by: zap123 | January 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The offense stinks, so lets completely switch up the defense. Sounds COMPLETELY logical.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Logic and the Skins rarely intertwine, which is why Vinny is talking about signings to get pressure. I'm assuming you meant Seymor and Warren, with Wilfork at the nose. well lets see:

97 Jarvis Green DL 30 6-3 285 7 Louisiana State
93 Richard Seymour DL 29 6-6 310 8 Georgia
95 Kenny Smith DL 31 6-4 303 6 Alabama
90 Le Kevin Smith DL 26 6-3 308 3 Nebraska
94 Ty Warren DL 27 6-5 300 6 Texas A&M
75 Vince Wilfork DL 27 6-2 325 5 Miami (Fla.)
99 Mike Wright DL 26 6-4 295 4 Cincinnati


Gholston 298
Monte 315
Evans 287
Daniels 276
Alexander 286

You sign one NT and you've got a pretty good group to rotate at the 3 spots. I mean hey, in a power rushing division we started two ends that were under 255 lbs as full-time traditional ends, but don't let that get in your way.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The solution is to improve the offense. Trade back in the draft, spend a pick on the OL, and a pick on the DL, and vastly improve the offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

How does that help get pressure? one pick or signing isn't enough to fix a unit that has been ignored for a decade in the draft.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

zj, come on dude, are you kidding me??

This is your defensive end group??

Gholston 298
Monte 315
Evans 287
Daniels 276
Alexander 286

This group can't get pressure in a 4-3, but the SAME GROUP is gonna somehow get pressure minus one guy. Right. I wont even get into the 'playing out of position' thing...because thats just too easy, or logical, which ever....

I'm done with this, because I'm losing intelligence speaking to you regarding it....you're advocating completely overhauling something thats not a problem. But Vinny is the idiot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Why has nobody talked about cutting Randle El and replacing him with Engram. Engram is exactly what Randle El is, a slot reciever, except that engram will take 2 mil for 60 catches and randle el costs over 6 mil for less than 50

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I've talked a bunch about picking up Engram. He'd come cheap. Knows this offense like the back of his hand. Can help mentor the young guys.

But I don't think we can cut Randle El b/c of cap issues. We can cut James Thrash, though...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

zf

don't assume a player has talent just because he is on our roster.....seymour is a muliple time pro bowler wolfick also has several apperances.... we just have a bunch of guys...can't just throw a switch or wave a wand...we are well coached and a very solid disciplined defense, the guys we have many would have trouble making many NFL teams (those that understand what talent is)... as funny as this sounds despite what i just wrote, an impact player or 2 adding to our bunch of "just guys" either on o or d would make us a contender.... thats the way the league is, only we have been too poorly run to take advantage of it....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 20, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama just got sworn in poor guy was so nervous he was having trouble reciting his lines.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if you're a racist. Take the "HOOD" off champ, it's a new day.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | January 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The pats for example spent a #6 overall pick on Seymour, a #13, on Warren, and I believe the #21/22 overall on Wilfork. Thats 3 high first round picks on their defensive line.


ITA time...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if you're a racist. Take the "HOOD" off champ, it's a new day.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | January 20, 2009 2:10 PM |

I wonder if you are an old white dude still living in your Moms basement, jerking it to the sears catalogue.

Why don't you get a life you f-ing moron.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, and if I'm Ray, the first thing I do is walk into the lockerroom and cold-cock TO in the mouth, stand over him and say "WHAT?!?!?!?"

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse


If Ray Lewis ends up in Dallas, TO will not be on the team when the season starts. He will whine and cry his way in to a trade or release. Remember SF orginally was going to trade him to Baltimore but he pitched a fit and ended up in Philly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"kept us save for 8 years

Posted by: connskins "

except for that whole 9/11 thing

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

bean, a 3-4 gets pressure from the rush linebackers and the blitzing scheme. The down lineman aren't expected to get pressure, they are expected to eat blockers allowing the ILBs to flow to the ball and stop the run and the OLBs to blitz. Any of our above mentioned lineman could start at the ends. A traditional NT would be necessary but would be a lot cheaper than Haynesworth.

Right now all our "just guys" do is eat blockers anyway and don't rush the qb at all. I'm saying let them keep doing that. You sign another ILB then the combo of Fletcher and that signee would be inside with Blades backing them up and you would need to sign one more traditional LB. Then on the OLB you could have a combo of Wilson, Jackson, Carter, McIntosh, and the signee with the task of blitzing. The key to the 3-4 is that the blitz comes from all over and its very hard to tell where on any given play. Taylor's best game this season was when we rushed 3 had him hang back and spy McNabb/Westbrook then come and get him once he saw they were staying in the pocket. Why does that have to be an aberration? Why can't that work regularly? and to the people saying Blache would have to go, come on, you don't think in his 30 years of coaching he's never picked up on how a 3-4 works? plz

Most coaches devise schemes to get the most out of their players, I don't think we're doing that and I don't think 1 signing or draft pick will fix this scheme. But I get it, its not going to happen so I'm done with it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

thank God.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

thank God.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

go f yourself you annoyingly arrogant moron

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

++Most coaches devise schemes to get the most out of their players, I don't think we're doing that and I don't think 1 signing or draft pick will fix this scheme. But I get it, its not going to happen so I'm done with it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:26 PM+++

Wow. Calling out Coach Blache? Something doesn't seem right. The guy only gets a fourth rated defense out of 'just guys' but you don't think that can he devise schemes that will get the most out of our/his 'just guys?'

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

zj, go find another team to root for like you said you were going to do yesteday....I hate it when people try and play the role of the 'martyr'...."if this team doesn't improve, I've been a fan for 30 years, this will be my last"....do me a favor, and GO....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I think ZJ was talking about letting go of the 3-4 pursuit?

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

calling him out wouldn't be how I would put it, I think he's a great coach, but perhaps being a little stubborn in his schemes? Perhaps not, too, I won't try and say the 3-4 is the only answer but you guys tell me, how do we "get pressure" with this scheme as both Zorn and Cerrato have stated is a goal for next year? is it the big name signing again?.....hasn't that been done before and proven that the Skins are where the big names go to get paid and not perform the way they did before they got here? I'm just asking how we fix it, or do we just not care still and ignore it again for another year? Maybe its a several year fix, one pick this year, one or two next year, and so on....to me that's the only logical move if you're not going to change the scheme, cause signing fat Albert or Peppers is the same moves as the past, and with the obvious lack of talent on the front 7 around them it would take a truckload to sign them here, cause they gotta know they'd be coming in with messiah expectations and a below average unit around them making their job even harder.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

matt, yesterday he was up here whining about how he's been a fan for 30 years, and if the team doesn't improve, he's not going to be a fan any more.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Just checked in

"kept us safe for 8 years...."

wow is that hysterical.......until the laughter turns to tears....

The rest of the comments...same siht different day. Nothing to see here, move along....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

and bean everyday you're on here just shooting down anything anybody has to say that's critical and acting like this team is a perennial Super Bowl contender and this owner/FO is the smartest in football and we're a wait and see from a championship.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if you are an old white dude still living in your Moms basement, jerking it to the sears catalogue.

Why don't you get a life you f-ing moron.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Why lash out at someone who just defined you ? Using the word "poor" in your statement only proves, we as a nation have so far to go. Even with you siting there looking at the 1st afro american prez being sworn in, you have a racist view from afar. Calling me a racist, would be like saying your "GREAT PAPI" didn't own slaves.

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | January 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, I've rooted for the Redskins for over 30 years, lived in Kentucky, Arizona and Texas, found bars, small town TV stations and out of town radio broadcasts to follow the games obsessivly before the age of the inter-googles.

But because Dan Snyder appears to be a poor owner, I'm going to stop rooting for them? Why?

And for all of this talk about poor ownership being the root cause of our not getting back to the Super Bowl, I have one word:

BIDWELL!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

zj, LIAR, lying a$$ dog.

I just try and present logical things. You know like NOT switching over to a 3-4, when the defense is no where NEAR the problem.....

you've been trotting out that stupid, and pointless suggestion for WEEKS....give it a rest.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

++These are simple ideas. They represent the path I'd take.

Posted by: MistaMoe+++


Not criticizing your ideas, Mista Moe. Some make a lot of sense. Here's the quandry. How do you convince free agents to come to DC?

Overpaying is one way, but the results are inevitably bad.

So you have to convince them it's a viable franchise.

And you're selling them on a personnel guy who can't draft, playing in one of the toughest conferences in the NFL, for a coach whose scheme collapsed in the second half of the season.

You look at the roster and it's aging everywhere, and in desperate need of upgrading.

A team that is truly one or two players away wants you too. Maybe they offer less money, but if you're motivated to win, not just by greed, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Go ahead, convince these guys to come to the Redskins....

To me, it is the single most daunting challenge the 'skins have with current management in place.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

IMO, generating pressure off of the D-Line can be achieved by utilizing situational pass rushers often [wilson, jackson] as well having a LB that can rush the passer and/or cover the RB out of the backfield. [M.Washington/McIntoish were not getting it done this year]. Seriously, I know that pass rush was mentioned by Zorn as the primary focus for improvement this offseason but I don't think that translates to, we're spending #13 on a DT/DE or throwing an abundance of money to a FA. At first and at face value, Jason Taylor was the answer [to generating more pass rush].

Smoke and mirrors.


Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Gholston 298
Monte 315
Evans 287
Daniels 276
Alexander 286

This group can't get pressure in a 4-3, but the SAME GROUP is gonna somehow get pressure minus one guy."

I think they will get pressure if they resign Taylor (for significantly less). I think Carter will get more sacks.

One real issue in my mind is whether Griffin returns. He is mostly all salary now making him very attractive to release to improve the salary cap situation. As is Taylor. As is Daniels.

The other is at linebacker where the two outside guys who also help with the rush are both very injury prone. Mac and Washington.

I guess you have to go to free agency and get guys like Bart Scott as opposed to a Terrell Suggs. You wait for DeMarcus Ware to become available. You draft a DE next year. Depending on Carlos Roger's situation you draft OL, a CB and a kicker this year. Perhaps you sign a good DT to replace Griffin.

This is really a tough year because you have to try to preserve the heart of the defense while trying to rebuild the offensive line. You have to keep some of the more expensive older FA's like Springs, Taylor, and perhaps Griffin. And you absolutely have to resign Hall.

Its pretty precarious I think.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

NEW CORCORAN COLUMN

For 'skins Fans, Off-Season Is Sweetest Season of All

"After watching the formerly futile Arizona Cardinals and famously consistent Pittsburgh Steelers power their respective ways into Superbowl 43, I sought cause for optimism. Then, I realized the off-season is upon us, and therein lies Hope.

The off-season is a Redskin Fan’s Favorite season of all. It is the time when hope springs eternal, and Shawn Springs isn’t in a whirlpool. It’s when Danny “Deep-pockets” Snyder casts his eyes around the league, wistfully looking to pluck some plums to build his perennial “One Player Away” franchise into a Superbowl contender….

Continued at: Redskins column at NFL Draftdog.com

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"At first and at face value, Jason Taylor was the answer [to generating more pass rush].

Smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009"

I am certain that he still is ... as a temporary stop-gap given his age. And he should improve Carter's sack numbers. However, he would have to resign for a lot less and he would have to accept incentive based bonuses. Will he? Who knows?

I will agree that the Redskins gave up too much; not salary cap wise but draft pick wise to obtain him. Vinnie exacerbated matters by wasting yet another pick on Erasmus James. Silly salary cap moves are one thing ... but draft picks are vital in today's NFL. You have to be really careful when you deal them. And you have to be better in the lower rounds when you make choices. You can make fairly safe, conservative picks in the higher rounds when you pick in the middle. These guys need top 3 or 4 to pick an impact player. You typically won't get that unless your record is poor.


Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or would you all welcome jason taylor back at a smaller #? Like 3.5 mil? guy tips so many passes when hes in there, I believe thats how horton got at least one against the aints.

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"And for all of this talk about poor ownership being the root cause of our not getting back to the Super Bowl, I have one word:

BIDWELL!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 20, 2009"

I think Snyder definitely fits below Bidwell now. But above Al Davis. Yes, Bidwell is better than the Snidely / Vinnie duo.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

cork, did you just try and pimp your own column on here?? wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise.

Posted by: thinker11 | January 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson over Eddie Royal or Desean Jackson...really?

Its far too easy to judge this draft class after one season. WR's typically take at least a year(s) to develop. Take Roddy White in ATL for example. Three seasons ago people were questioning him and in 07 he finally got it and blew up. Lets hope DThomas can make that move next season.

I still think we should have signed DJ Hackett and addressed more pressing needs with those 3 2nd round picks. When we decided to not make that move whether any of you want to admit it or not WR became a priority, the pups havent grown up yet. Patience

Posted by: DMoney28 | January 20, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

BIDWELL!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse
Hey JohnD, you've heard of the blind squirrel, haven't you? But yes, Bidwell does give us RI fans hope that maybe one of these years, Danerroto might get it right. I just hope we don't have to wait 60 years, like the Cardinal fans had to wait.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Why are you all wasting your time arguing about a switch to 3-4? Have they ever even hinted at changing to that? Unless they overhaul the entire coaching staff forget about it. You need players to get a pass rush, that is an individual skill and has nothing to do with scheme. Now if you are gonna argue about stunts and blitzes and how to use them that is something different.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, and if I'm Ray, the first thing I do is walk into the lockerroom and cold-cock TO in the mouth, stand over him and say "WHAT?!?!?!?"

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse


If Ray Lewis ends up in Dallas, TO will not be on the team when the season starts. He will whine and cry his way in to a trade or release. Remember SF orginally was going to trade him to Baltimore but he pitched a fit and ended up in Philly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I remember that. I also remember TO inexplicably mocking Ray Lewis's dance when the Eags and Ravs played later that season - all this after Lewis said that he thought TO could be a great addition to the team.

Hence, the cold-cocking...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Is it me? Or does Mike Wise look even freakier than Reid on the "Unrestricted" vids?

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

whoever that is in this video is the person that kidnapped Jason Reid and he looks to be demanding money and draft picks for the release of Jason Reid

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Why are you all wasting your time arguing about a switch to 3-4? Have they ever even hinted at changing to that?

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 20, 2009"

Yes, I think one could possibly assume that the reason why Spagnuolo is not HC here is precisely because Blache runs a 4-3. As they always have in Chicago and Washington.

The argument boils down to what is harder to find a 4-3 DE who is a great pass rusher that can stop the rush or an athletic nose tackle to make the 3-4 into something to be feared.

They have appear to have an excellent 4-3 defense. It was enough to beat the Eagles 10-3. The Arizona Cardinals ... and while they lost to both the Ravens and the Steelers, they really didn't give up ... until perhaps the last game, in the last moments.

So, there is room for improvement but in the end it appears better when it isn't laden with the big stars like an Arrington or even Bailey and is led by guys like a Fletcher.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

PS CORK YOUR AN IDIOT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Why has nobody talked about cutting Randle El and replacing him with Engram. Engram is exactly what Randle El is, a slot reciever, except that engram will take 2 mil for 60 catches and randle el costs over 6 mil for less than 50

Posted by: DaFunBunch | January 20, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Because it would cost more to cut ARE than to keep him. 2009 will most likely be his last season in Washington.

Posted by: DMoney28 | January 20, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

To all of you redskins fans just like me, the problem with this team is 1 vinnie (cant draft a blackboard) cerratto and the move of the stadium to Prince Georges County. Ever since the team moved they aint been sh** the same about VC. get fid of him NOW.

Posted by: fromeka | January 20, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't sign Jason Campbell until after he performs better this year. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake we did with Trent Green. Then I would concentrate on getting a dominate offensive and defensive line. That's what made us good in the 80's. We already have good enough skilled players we just need to give Jason lots of time.

Posted by: kuhrma | January 20, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

++++My preferred solution is to spin the earth backwards and return in time to my draft board from last year - I would have taken Jordy Nelson, Calais Campbell, and Mike Pollack with our second round picks. Then no how no way would I have traded for Jason Taylor. But the Redskins are not the Starship Enterprise.
Posted by: thinker11+++

Nelson was solid, Campbell had 0 sacks, and Pollack was beat out by Jamey Richards, a 7th round pick in last years draft at the center spot when Saturday went down.

Posted by: Oz99 | January 21, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

An observation: If our front office was even mediocre, we would be going to the super bowl this year. I had to laugh because 10 yrs ago, snyder arrived as the hotshot rich boy owner, spewing champagne wishes and caviar dreams. 10 yrs ago, Jake Plummer was the cardinals Quarterback and simeon Rice called the cardinals "the armpit" of the NFL...10 yrs later, we miss the playoffs and the Bidwills are hoisting the Halas trophy. So if the Cardinals were the armpit of the NFL and are now in the big show, what does that make us??........the bunghole of the NFL?

Posted by: fullonfully | January 21, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

First don't sign Campbell to a long term contract. Put the starting QB position up for grabs in training camp and see who preforms best with who ever they bring in in the off season.Second, use every draft choice they have for linemen on both sides.
Third, get rid of the fat, if your not earning your check see ya.Fourth, Call Plaxico and see if he will take TO out on the town for a night of drinking and shooting.

Posted by: hawkeye8 | January 21, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Offseason plan:

-Keep: DeAngelo Hall, Demetric Evans, Fred Smoot (keep as #3 or 4 and cut next year before he gets really expensive), Khary Campbell, Alfred Fincher, Cornelius Griffin (I still love the guy).

-Lose: Jason Taylor, Marcus Washington (and then try to re-sign him for the veteran minimum), Pete Kendall, Jason Fabini, Ladell Betts.

-I’m on the fence re: Shawn Springs. If we bring him back, we have to have another capable starting CB (other than Hall) b/c Springs has proven he cannot be relied upon for a whole season. Keeping Springs, re-signing Hall, and acquiring another capable corner would then make Smoot expendable.

-Drive Justin Tryon far far out into the country and leave him there. Don't give him a map.

-Draft offensive tackle in 1st round.

-Draft best available in 3rd round of the following: OL, DT, LB, DE.

-Draft speedy RB in 5th or 6th round to replace Betts (save money) as Portis’ backup (there is talent late -- Denver drafted Ryan Torain in the 5th round last year, Cowboys got Tashard Choice late in the 4th).

-Trade Carlos Rogers for a 2nd rounder and draft a speed DE (I like and want to keep him, but this seems to be the way we’re going).

-Attempt one big free agent signing at the very most.

-Address WR with a mid to midupper-level player (Bobby Ingram, for example), but not splurge on a huge name, giving another year and a vote of confidence to Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly to come around.

-Don’t touch the safeties (Chris Horton and Laron Landry starting, Kareem Moore and Mike Green backing up – cut Reed Doughty if you only keep 4).

-Sign a new kicker and a new punter. Immediately.

-Consider if there is a trade market for Antwaan Randle El (get that 4th rounder back that we lost in the Pete Kendall move?). He has just never come around in the return game or as a starting WR.

Posted by: charlotteredskinsfan | January 21, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON REDSKINS 8-8, Fourth place

MVP:

Clinton Portis
The second half of the season got ugly, especially when Clinton Portis traded jabs publicly with first-year coach Jim Zorn. But the Redskins probably don't approach their .500 record without Portis. His 1,487 rushing yards were fourth-most in the league and represented the second-highest season total in Redskins history. Portis' most impressive stretch occurred in the five-game stretch between Sept. 28 and Oct. 26, when he rushed for at least 120 yards a game and totaled 696; Washington won four of those games. A more dynamic passing attack could make Portis, selected to the Pro Bowl for the first time as a Redskin, an even more imposing force in 2009.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | January 21, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

DEFENSE:

Sign the DB's ROGERS, SPRINGS, GREEN, HALL, lose DOUGHTY. Extend LANDRY. Draft CUSHING USC or FREEMAN from OHIO STATE at OLB in the third round and get ALBERT HAYNESWORTH via FA for the d-line. Don't re-sign K. CAMPBELL, M. WASHINGTON, J. TAYLOR or A. CARTER. Do sign A. FINCHER, C. GRIFFIN, L. ALEXANDER and D. EVANS. Plug P. DANIELS back in and see what BUZBEE, JACKSON and WILSON have got. Keep two of the three and let the other go. Does that all fit under the cap? who knows.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

KICKER needed, PLACKAMEIER maybe. JUSTIN TRYON to return punts. Use THRASH, RANDLE-EL, MOSS as back-ups.

OFFENSE:

Draft the best Left-OT on the board at #13 if not used for defense. Play RINEHART, sign KENDALL, keep W. MONTGOMERY at back-up center-guard. Sign L. ALEXANDER, lose GEISIGER. Keep JANSEN as back-up,lose FABINI. Draft G/E. WOOD LOUISVILLE in fifth round.

PICKS:

Can go for either DT's B. ORAKPO TEXAS/M. Johnson GA. TECH or E. MOORE from VIRGINIA depending on who's still on the board. If all three are off take best OT, left or right whichever. OLB at #3 and two OL at #5, and #6. The draft is deep in OL this year, so good players should be available all the way through #6.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 21, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Resignings-I'd like to see springs stay, but I'd be just as happy if we let all the old vets go. I love Marcus Washington, but he's getting too old.

Free Agency-Jordan Gross for sure. I'd also like to see them get Karlos Dansby. I'd love to grab Darren Sproles for PR, KR and 3rd down back, but I doubt we have enough cash

Draft-Tough call here. I'd really like to see them take Rey Mauluaga. If we address LB with one FA and one pick in the draft, we can be set for 5 years, which is how we need to build the team. Rey can step in after London is gone, and fill in at any of the other positions. Draft linemen with all the other picks.

Posted by: brian58 | January 21, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

After nearly 10 years of following the approach of Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder of buying aging stars with no clear investment into the future why don't the Redskins at least try to use the draft as a way to develop and produce big-name players; even if this approach failed it couldn't be worse than the bad to mediocre seasons we have had to deal with every year.

Posted by: seth4RED | January 21, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

right now, ESPN has 3 OT's going in the first 10 picks.
Isay, if any of them drop we pick them, in addition to signing Haynesworth and Dansby

Posted by: mardiros | January 25, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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