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Posted at 4:30 PM ET, 01/ 1/2011

Giants' front four among the league's best

By Jason Reid

With 44 sacks, the New York Giants are in a three-way tie atop the NFL.

The Giants continue to generate a lot of pressure with their front four, and the group, for the most part, has been outstanding throughout the season, Coach Tom Coughlin said.

"They're good football players," he said. "I don't think there's any question throughout the league. Our front is well recognized. Our two ends, Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, have been well recognized.

"Jason Pierre-Paul is an up-and-coming young player who has made a strong contribution here of late. Dave Tollefson for a big part of the year, he has an injury right now, is well recognized. I don't think there's anybody that doesn't recognize the pressure that those guys mount."

By Jason Reid  | January 1, 2011; 4:30 PM ET
 
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Comments

Pouncey is BALLIN!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the Outback bowl and focusing on two players. Pouncey and Wisnewski. Two freaking CENTERS, although Wis is playing guard.

I'm awesome, just ask my wife.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

And who is to say, a FA isnt also attracted to a successful Draft by his next potential team?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 1, 2011 4:55 PM

Got things a little backwards, don't you? You realize that free agency comes about two months before the draft? Or do you think that the really shrewd free agents refuse to sign until after the draft so they can see which team is best?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Nice deis!!!

Which would you take of the two???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Brandon- both. I'd play Pouncey at C and Wis at G. But if I could only have one I'd take Pouncey

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Diesel I like the way you think!!!

Id love to have both of those guys!!!

We need to give our O a chance to grow

I think in ten yrs we grbbed 3 lineman..... sounds like a recipe for disaster

Pouncey n wisnewski would be tough to get both but id love those picks

Those are the two top interior lineman in this yrs draft

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Can" is good New Year's Day hangover music..One of the original industrial bands, Diesel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojMvGeskIlw

MMMMBAAARF!!! nah, just kiddin', good sh*t..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If I were Skins management, I'd hire a team to breakdown the Patriots actions over the last ten years and try to emulate that..They're going to win the Super Bowl and STILL have ten gazillion draft picks..Nuts..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse


Do you take stupid pills before you post this stuff? Or are you going with your usual lame cop out -- "just having fun"?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 4:53 PM |
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took stupid pills

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

no FA's this year then

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 4:49 PM |

Way to call the loss before the game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

REPOST:


Having a 320 pound ten year starter at center would go far to improve the offense.--CORK EARLIER

I don't think Mike Shanahan wants a '320 pound' center.--MISTA MOE

Did Cook even play a snap this year? As for Selvish.---CORK EARLIER

I guess making sure they are solid depth guys isn't something we should expect.

Or should we.

And not all of the guys on our practice squad suck:

Rob Jackson was a practice squad player, wasn't he?

And some guy named Brandon Banks was on the practice squad up until Shanahan fell out of love with DT11.

POSTED BY: MISTA MOE

Okay, here's the thing about practice squads. Shanahan knew it was safe to stash a 147 pound undrafted FA there for a few weeks early in the season. Who is gonna sign him and KEEP HIM ACTIVE all season--which they have to do--based on that background, and a rep for fumbling?

Yes, JACKSON did well in the one game he played, and he was called up to the big squad late in the season.

I haven't seek Cook or Capers play except in pre-season, where they were unexceptional.

BUT, late in the season, where practically everyone including the Redskins need OLINE depth, Capers wasn't called up to the big squad, or swiped by someone else, who'd only have to use him for a game or two. See my point? And Cook hasn't seen a snap. Like Jackson, he too was called up from the PS.

You implied C&C can step right in next year. I'm saying, in the friendliest of New Year spirit, you're full of soup.

The team doesn't NEED "seven left tackles" as you said. They have a very good one. BUT they have four OLINE positions that need upgrading. And if Shanahan had Pouncey--his twin is all pro as a rookie-- he could play guard if he doesn't want him at C. Trent Williams and Pouncy would be the best left side combo since the Hogs.

This team has neglected OLINE for ten years, gone for the flashy QB FA and drafted a couple. None are franchises. WRs drafted, also equally unsuccessful in DC.

Yes, a Brady would be nice. And I said, if Shanahan sees one, take him. But, he'll be a lamb to slaughter if the OLine isn't rebuilt.

As for D-line. I agree a NT solves a lot of ills.

You suggest Kalil at "Center" Good player, but coming out of college he was listed at about 285. Unless he's added some weight, he'd have the same issues Rabach has had dealing with good, big NTs and DLs.

Why do you think Shanahan could put anyone with a pulse at RB in Denver and expect 1000 yards? Because his lines were good as well as his scheme. You want a back to be great? Give him a great line to run behind,. Great running attack:? Suddenly even average QBs will do.

Oh, and Happy New year. I enjoy your thoughtful posts.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse


Way to call the loss before the game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 5:34 PM |
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talking about our record scamp, not the game tomorrow. you shouldn't let folks opinions bother you so much. remember your oath ?

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Way to call the loss before the game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 5:34 PM |
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talking about our record scamp, not the game tomorrow. you shouldn't let folks opinions bother you so much. remember your oath ?

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 5:41 PM

Then you obviously didn't read his post...as usual talking out your rear, but hey, what's new with you. He sadi we need THE win (against the Ginas) to get momentum into the offseason so we can attract FA. I figured you didn't get it, you usually don't. I don't make oaths dude, how about you worry about what comes out of your mouth and stop trying to police mine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse


Then you obviously didn't read his post...as usual talking out your rear, but hey, what's new with you. He sadi we need THE win (against the Ginas) to get momentum into the offseason so we can attract FA. I figured you didn't get it, you usually don't. I don't make oaths dude, how about you worry about what comes out of your mouth and stop trying to police mine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 5:50 PM |
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my mistake, thanks for pointing that out.

you have a short memory about how you were going to lighten up when you posted. you wrote that, not me. later days

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

my mistake, thanks for pointing that out.

you have a short memory about how you were going to lighten up when you posted. you wrote that, not me. later days

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:04 PM |

I have lightened up, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to argue stupid comments or that I need you to follow me around all day.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think I've lightened up then why didn't I call you a moron, dumbass, or idiot?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, or retard? See? I'm 100% better. Can't argue progress my man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse


I have lightened up, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to argue stupid comments or that I need you to follow me around all day.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:07 PM |
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scamp, you're the one who posted to my comments. I don't follow folks around. have another shot for christ sakes

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

scamp, you're the one who posted to my comments. I don't follow folks around. have another shot for christ sakes

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:14 PM |

Whateves dude. You were on here last night and the day before trying to tell me who to ignore and what I said. You follow me around wherever I go. Not hatin' on you for it if you're just tryin' to bask in my glow. I understand, I'm just sayin' I don't need an editor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse


If you don't think I've lightened up then why didn't I call you a moron, dumbass, or idiot?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:09 PM |
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true, but the probability that you're going to call me a d-bag at any given moment is extremely high

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

beepbeep
I was presenting a point of conjecture... meaning a Free Agent is attracted to other issues other than a W-L record (your original premise "they need to win to attract free agents"). Which I highly doubt is their criteria.. Its the size and terms of the Contract, the Head Coach, their position coach, the potential teammates.. etc.. W-L is probably in the mix but less so, unless they are in the extreme twilight of their career. So, in context with your original posting and my original response.. If the Skins lose the Gints game.. they will not be endangered of losing a FA who suddenly becomes unattracted to their W-L.
Case in point, Albert wanted Tampa, Tampa with a better W-L than the Skins wanted Albert, but Snyder added a few more zeros.
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Skins have a GM. It looks like what they need is a fan. You've got things exactly backwards.

Losing is a dark cloud. The draft pick is only a silver lining. You don't hope for the Redskins to lose just for a crappy draft pick. The Redskins need this win to build momentum for the off season and for next year. They need the win to attract free agents.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 4:38 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 1, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

true, but the probability that you're going to call me a d-bag at any given moment is extremely high

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:27 PM |

LOL! You're all right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse


Whateves dude. You were on here last night and the day before trying to tell me who to ignore and what I said. You follow me around wherever I go. Not hatin' on you for it if you're just tryin' to bask in my glow. I understand, I'm just sayin' I don't need an editor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:17 PM |
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scamp, I don't keep score. obviously you do. enjoy posting this year, I know I will.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I don't keep score. obviously you do. enjoy posting this year, I know I will.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:31 PM

Blah, blah, blah...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

SCAMP AND HESSONE

Wouldn't it just be easier for you guys to get Skype...or a room?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

You suggest Kalil at "Center" Good player, but coming out of college he was listed at about 285. Unless he's added some weight, he'd have the same issues Rabach has had dealing with good, big NTs and DLs.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 5:40 PM


Great point. That's part of the reason I've never been all that keen on the idea of getting him in FA...he's a bit undersized, and he can be an effective player if you're playing in the AFC West, AFC South, or NFC South when you're not going to see a lot of 3-4 teams or big, physical D-lines. In the NFC East, dude will get eaten alive...especially when he's staring directly into Jay Ratliff's eyes twice a year. This is where it would have been nice to get a big, athletic mauler like Jason Brown in lieu of AH...but what's done is done...

If Pouncey is the truth, then pounce on him draft day...conventional wisdom be damned.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

SCAMP AND HESSONE

Wouldn't it just be easier for you guys to get Skype...or a room?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 6:41 PM


Don't worry...Hess will find the scent of another RI "regular" and start following him around. He was doing this same sh*t to me awhile back and I guess scamp is the new object of his affection. Hard to get a read on the guy...he's either a Rain Man-type simpleton or he's some wise-ass trying to mix it up. Either way, he's evolved into an easy case of ITA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If Pouncey is the truth, then pounce on him draft day...conventional wisdom be damned.

Posted by: brownwood26

Based on his bowl game performance alone, he'll go higher than his brother did. Dude was pulling and crushing people as a center late in the game. I can't see Shanahan going first round with him--and he'll be gone by the second. Betcha Pittsburgh would take him in an instant if he's there when they pick.

Oh, nice bowl season, Big Ten.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

SCAMP AND HESSONE

Wouldn't it just be easier for you guys to get Skype...or a room?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 6:41 PM

I feel like I've been trying to scrape dog poo off of my boot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse


don't know what I did to piss you off brown, but your comments suggest you're following me and that you're not very good at the immature game of ita

like a child

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Either way, he's evolved into an easy case of ITA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 6:45 PM |

These damn ITs lists are getting so long I'm having a hard time remembering everyone that's supposed to be on them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse


I feel like I've been trying to scrape dog poo off of my boot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 6:52 PM |
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I'd rather be a d-bag scamp

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

diehard skin fan here.. but, anyone else think Shanny should be focused solely on 2nd and 3rd string evaluation in this game. W-L be damned. The more he knows about his current personnel going into the Draft the better.. Basically, this should be a preseason game at real NFL speed.
There is no other advantage to be gained in this meaningless game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 1, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins shouldn't waste draft picks on o-linemen. Every pick should be used on skill players.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 1, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins shouldn't waste draft picks on o-linemen. Every pick should be used on skill players.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 1, 2011 7:10 PM |

That hasn't worked very well for us in the past. I'm not necessarily talking about because the players chosen didn't so well. We can't really use history to evaluate the new regime, but because we neglected drafting oline for so long that we became old and feeble and full of half assed FA olineman because we weren't drafting and grooming them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

We can't really use history to evaluate the new regime, but because we neglected drafting oline for so long that we became old and feeble and full of half assed FA olineman because we weren't drafting and grooming them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:22 PM
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if only Buges had had the stones to confront Vinny and snyder 4 years ago.. Instead he kept quiet while the unnecessary flashy and wasteful "groceries" were being bought...and the OLine remained a late round sidenote.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year Everyone!

'Hair of the Dog' is the phrase of the day.

Did I hear iH8 got his a** kicked?

When's this BIG hockey game starting?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

if only Buges had had the stones to confront Vinny and snyder 4 years ago.. Instead he kept quiet while the unnecessary flashy and wasteful "groceries" were being bought...and the OLine remained a late round sidenote.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:36 PM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Did I hear iH8 got his a** kicked?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM |

He said his i got dotted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

if only Buges had had the stones to confront Vinny and snyder 4 years ago.. Instead he kept quiet while the unnecessary flashy and wasteful "groceries" were being bought...and the OLine remained a late round sidenote.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:36 PM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

We only drafted 3 O-lineman in 10 years!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

TheCork & bw26-

Ryan Kalil is 25 and ran a 4.94 40 yard dash at the 2007 NFL Combine and bench pressed 225 pounds 34 times. He's also 6'2 295 and made the Pro Bowl in 2009 & 2010.

I love Pouncey but if we can fill the talent void with young FAs and take an impact player with our mid 1st then that's how you bulid a roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Bummer.

Bills locked up Shawne Merriman for 2 years with an incentive-heavy contract.

Precisely the kind of thing I was hoping the Skins would try.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5978595

Posted by: p1funk | January 1, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Gotta ask...why is there the assumption that Pouncey will be as good as his brother? The Barbers are the exception, not the rule...I mean, anyone else remember the steep dropoff from Horace Grant to Harvey?

Posted by: brownwood26


Good consideration, but have you seen the Florida game today?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Read somewhere that TCU QB Andy Dalton was on the Skin's radar. Watching him in the Rose Bowl, I wouldn't mind is the Shannys drafted him. Possibly round 2. Thoughts?

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I love Pouncey but if we can fill the talent void with young FAs and take an impact player with our mid 1st then that's how you bulid a roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse


Your 1st round impact player would be Justin Blackmon.

Your second round grab would be Stefen Wisnewski - guard and center-in-waiting.

Your young FA is Ryan Harris - has the tools to play both tackle and guard.

Posted by: p1funk | January 1, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Read somewhere that TCU QB Andy Dalton was on the Skin's radar. Watching him in the Rose Bowl, I wouldn't mind is the Shannys drafted him. Possibly round 2. Thoughts?

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 7:48 PM |

He looks pretty good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

if only Buges had had the stones to confront Vinny and snyder 4 years ago.. Instead he kept quiet while the unnecessary flashy and wasteful "groceries" were being bought...and the OLine remained a late round sidenote.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:36 PM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

We only drafted 3 O-lineman in 10 years!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 7:43 PM
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amazing and not surprising at the same time.
An idiot sevant could of performed as well as GM. Who is left from the Vinny drafts? Horton doesnt count anymore.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

diehard skin fan here.. but, anyone else think Shanny should be focused solely on 2nd and 3rd string evaluation in this game. W-L be damned. ...

There is no other advantage to be gained in this meaningless game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Sure there is. Getting some Pride back. Determining if Grossman can hold the fort for a couple of years. (Put in scrubs and he'll be killed) Seeing if Monty can hold a slot. Seeing what Brown is like now that his adhesions have torn loose.

But mostly, it's the boost to Redskin fans morale by kicking the rear end of a team that has tormented Washington for years and years. It doesn't make up for it, but keeping the Giants out of the playoffs would be HUGE.

Or...they an put the scrubs in once the game is out of hand.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

An idiot sevant could of performed as well as GM. Who is left from the Vinny drafts? Horton doesnt count anymore.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:55 PM |

Moore, Kelley, Davis, Doughty. Isn't Landry a Vinny draftee?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Moore, Kelley, Davis, Doughty. Isn't Landry a Vinny draftee?

Posted by: scampbell1975

I'll give you Landry but the other four don't put the fear of God in anyone.

NE picks better than that in one round of one year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Sure there is. Getting some Pride back. Determining if Grossman can hold the fort for a couple of years. (Put in scrubs and he'll be killed) Seeing if Monty can hold a slot. Seeing what Brown is like now that his adhesions have torn loose.

But mostly, it's the boost to Redskin fans morale by kicking the rear end of a team that has tormented Washington for years and years. It doesn't make up for it, but keeping the Giants out of the playoffs would be HUGE.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 7:58 PM |

Exactly, and maybe offer up a little proof that we're heading in the right direction. After all, anyone with half a brain doesn't expect a complete turn around in 1 year. A little progress by the end of year one would show A LOT. Plus it shows that the team hasn't given up on the coaches and they believe in the Shanny's more than McScabb and Hayney.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Did I hear iH8 got his a** kicked?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 1, 2011 7:38 PM |

He said his i got dotted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:40 PM

That sucks...poor iH8...probably just ran into a door or something...time for some outdoor hockey in the rain...going to do a shot for every shot...who's in?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 1, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Even Vinny didn't screw up the 13th pick in the 2009 draft...............Brian Orakpo

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

One of the NFL mock draft pages has us taking a DE with the 1st and a QB 2nd, Pat Devlin of Delaware. I've been impressed with this Andy Dalton, QB/TCU. This guy's got "pro" written all over him.

Posted by: bones21 | January 1, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

An idiot sevant could of performed as well as GM. Who is left from the Vinny drafts? Horton doesnt count anymore.

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 7:55 PM |

Moore, Kelley, Davis, Doughty. Isn't Landry a Vinny draftee?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 7:58 PM

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I think Landry was Gibbs 2.0... gibbs and gregg williams committee pick... ?

Posted by: reader51 | January 1, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

brandon

I like what you laid out the only thing I see is that you plan on solving our o line issues with more back ups??


ahhhh...backups?

Ryan Kalil is the starting center for the Carolina Panthers.

Carl Nicks is the starting guard for the New Orleans Saints.

The Saints and Panthers both feature quality offensive lines.

Both players are FAs and are under 27.

I'm re-signing Jammal Brown.

My new o-line in D.C.:

T Williams

C Nicks

R Kalil

K Litcensliegersp

J Brown

Now, explain to me how using FA to add to very young solid offensive line players is bad idea again?

And, btw, with such a line, you can play a drafted young'n (Mallet/Locker) knowing you have young vets up front blocking for him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

TCU is legit, people.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

That Carder kid from TCU looked pretty good to he was getting after the QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Name: Andy Dalton
College: TCU Number: 14
Height: 6-2 Weight: 220
Position: QB Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2011
40 Time: 4.94 40 Low: 4.83 40 High: 5.06
Projected Round: 4-5 Stock:
Rated number 5 out of 117 QB's

12/27/2010 - Dalton has won 41 games at TCU as the starting quarterback, which eclipsed the record of TCU legend Sammy Baugh (29, 1934-36). And he is a two-time MWC offensive player of the year. This season, Dalton had a milestone win at Utah, which added to the fulfillment. He threw for 355 yards and three touchdowns in a 47-7 rout where his early shots downfield ripped the top off of the Utes' defense and made it a rout. His makeup is the logical reason why Dalton thrived during his four years as a starter. "He's solid, he won't make a lot of mistakes," said Gil Brandt, an NFL draft analyst and former Cowboys executive. But there are more than intangibles to admire. Dalton cannot knock down brick walls with his throws, but he has an NFL-capable arm, Brandt said. His accuracy has improved every season, and he can run a 4.5 40-yard dash. Dalton is listed at 6-3, but is actually 6-1 7/8, Brandt said. Height has not been an issue for Drew Brees and Michael Vick, who are below the NFL's imagined height criteria. Is he going to be Brees? Dalton has a chance in the NFL, Brandt said, because for four years he did not lead a program that spit out 2-9 teams. He led a program team that was 43-8. "He is a real smart guy," Brandt said. "He's a lot like the Denver quarterback, Kyle Orton. He's athletic. What he has done every year is improve his accuracy. He is a guy that has been productive. I think he can be a third round pick and go from there." - Ray Glier, USA TODAY

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you Landry but the other four don't put the fear of God in anyone.

NE picks better than that in one round of one year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 8:03 PM |

Oh, I'm not touting these guys as good picks. I was just naming Vinny guys. I thought the question was "Who are the Vinny guys left." I would have put Carlos in there too but I thought he was Gibbs guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

Name: Andy Dalton

Your post and observation only proves what folks have been saying all along:

This is the year of good veteran college quarterbacks.

And we should draft a good one--and not some Colt Brennen, 7th rounder either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'd be very Ok with Andy Dalton. Add him. a nose tackle with the other of our first 2 picks and carry our mistermoe's afore mentioned plan to build the Oline and I'm a happy camper.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm re-signing Jammal Brown.

My new o-line in D.C.:

T Williams

C Nicks

R Kalil

K Litcensliegersp

J Brown

Now, explain to me how using FA to add to very young solid offensive line players is bad idea again?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse


Moe,

We re-upped with Rabach, and I don't see any indication that Shanny wants to make a replacement there next season. Can't see them extending a contract to Ryan Kalil.

Carl Nicks is like 345lbs. He's masher and mauler, but he's on the other end of the spectrum in terms of the kind of guards Shanny likes for his scheme.

I re-sign Brown as well.

The FA to go for is Ryan Harris from Denver who has all the tools to play guard and was drafted by Shanny in 2007.


TW

Lich/Will Montgomery (draft Stefen Wisnewski as the LG/C of the future)

Rabach

R.Harris

J.Brown

Posted by: p1funk | January 1, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

a nose tackle with the other of our first 2 picks

Again, there are a lot of decent choices with defensive lineman in this upcoming draft.

We need a nose tackle, defensive end, and defensive tackle.

We have to decide if we want V Holliday, P Daniels, or M Kemoteau---each is representative of a position we need to replace.

Adam Carriker, Anthony Bryant, and Kedric Golston are fine.

A decent low cost FA d-end/tackle would help.

Albert Hanyesworth is a trade for anyone who wants him...and a bad joke that has had the entire league laughing at us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, my thinking may be wrong but if this draft is as deep at QB as the experts say, then even if the top 3 or 4 guys are gone by the time we draft in the first or second rounds, we should still be able to get a guy that can be a very capable starter.

So with that thinking in place, there is no reason why we can't land one of the top QBs to fit our system. We don't need the BEST overall QB. We just need the one that fits our O the best.


Personally, I like Andy Dalton. Might not have the arm of Mallett, the athleticism of Locker or Newton, or the mind of Luck but if he is the best combo of them all, who knows... Kid's from a small school, has a winning record (had to work his tail off to get to and win the Rose bowl IMHOP) , improved his accuracy every year. It all points to the type of hard working, hungry player that we all want.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

We re-upped with Rabach... Can't see them extending a contract to Ryan Kalil.

Carl Nicks is like 345lbs.... but he's on the other end of the spectrum in terms of the kind of guards Shanny likes for his scheme.


You are correct on both points.

This is why I blog and don't work in a FO.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

a nose tackle with the other of our first 2 picks

Again, there are a lot of decent choices with defensive lineman in this upcoming draft.

We need a nose tackle, defensive end, and defensive tackle.

We have to decide if we want V Holliday, P Daniels, or M Kemoteau---each is representative of a position we need to replace.

Adam Carriker, Anthony Bryant, and Kedric Golston are fine.

A decent low cost FA d-end/tackle would help.

Albert Hanyesworth is a trade for anyone who wants him...and a bad joke that has had the entire league laughing at us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you. I know its been said many times before but we have so many holes, that we can pick just about any position in the top 2 rounds and it will be a step in the right direction.

I know I spend (waste) way too much time thinking about it, but there are only 2 positions where quality long term or stop gap players can not be (wisely, not foolishly) added via free agency: QB and NT. There just are not any feasible, long term, attainable top end talents at those positions.

Thats why I'm leaning toward those 2 positions being our top 2 picks for this draft. Each of these picks can be the cornerstone of the system on their side of the ball for the longterm future. Most of our other needs can be upgraded via our later picks and through this loaded pool of FA.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

We re-upped with Rabach... Can't see them extending a contract to Ryan Kalil.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 8:50 PM

Means about as much as us extending McNabb. Rabach has been a liability for the last 2+ YRs. Time for an upgrade.

As Flounder pointed out the folks of walterfootball.com have are pretty smart folks and have decided to copy my draft...

1st- OLB Ryan Kerrigan
2nd- QB Pat Devlin

Get the following FAs
C- Ryan Kalil
RT- Ryan Harris
ILB- David Harris
NT- Abroyo Franklin
WR- James Jones
RB- DeAgelo Williams

Championship in 2013

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

We re-upped with Rabach... Can't see them extending a contract to Ryan Kalil.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

See this is upsetting. Casey fuqking Rabach is one player that all fans seem to agree on. He sux.

Why he continued to hold down a job with no competition is Mike Shanahan at his finest re:personal decisions.

Video/Game Film that Mike Shanahan has to see right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8fCq8iKEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N_5YB_cv_o


Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 1, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Okla v. UCONN sux

Headed out to see True Grit

peace

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

There are two other possibilities to draft at center, and both are likely to be available in the later rounds-one maybe as an undrafted FA. One I'm real partial toward is Zane Taylor of Utah, he is a very aggressive beast with thick arms, thicker thighs, gets super low in his stance and maintains it through his blocks. A co-worker remarked when we were discussing their bowl game that he looked like a junior Mike Webster. Utah also runs the zone blocking scheme, another plus. The other candidate is Ryan Bartholomew of Syracuse, 4.95 forty time, deadlifts 700 lbs, and extremely smart. He'll hold his ground against the Ratliffs of the world, but is rawer than Taylor. Both are are listed at 300 but powerful, explosive, and mean. I'd be delighted seeing either of them in camp.

Posted by: NAVContractor | January 1, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Justin Blackmon 1st
Kellen Moore 2nd

Posted by: coparker5 | January 1, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Kellen Moore 2nd

Posted by: coparker5 | January 1, 2011 9:55 PM

Listen...

Moore is a JR that is 5'11 170lbs. He's staying in school as he should and isn't a NFL QB.

Kids a winner but he's too small.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Drew Brees size

Posted by: coparker5 | January 1, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

K Moore is accurate as all hell too.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 1, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Moore is a great college QB but Brees is slightly taller, has 40lbs on him, and has a cannon for an arm.

I like Moore but not in the NFL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 1, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

...chirp...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 2, 2011 1:05 AM | Report abuse

A Final Prediction that the Year's 1st:

Redskins 21

Giants 17


---K Barnes steadily improves at FS

---RobJax and BRakpo play well together as bookend linebackers who blitz and don't cover

---T Austin gets showcased a lil bit

---A Bryant and V Holliday impress and are stout against the run

---Rex plays well enough for folks not to notice the redskins don't have a deep passing game with him as a starter

---Fred Davis gets showcased a lil bit, too

---Tom Coughlin spends the day red-faced by his team's sudden collapse against the redskins

We are due for a W as the Giants have owned us.

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Does the movie Die Hard count as a Christmas movie?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 2, 2011 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Does the movie Die Hard count as a Christmas movie?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 2, 2011 1:31 AM |

Do your balls count as useless raisins? I say yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 2, 2011 1:38 AM | Report abuse


Far be it from me to say anything negative about the REDSKINS.COM flack site, but:

I just went there to print out the Redskins roster....Don't have it. It goes away as the game approaches.

They DO have the projected starting lineups. They include Hicks and O'Hara of the Giants, who are already declared "out" for the game.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2011 2:09 AM | Report abuse

We are due for a W as the Giants have owned us.

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe |


Of all your reasons listed, you forgot the most important one. The Giants will be playing with one eye on the scoreboard. If Green Bay gets out to a quick early lead, the Ginas may well just mail in the rest of the game.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2011 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Name: Andy Dalton
College: TCU Number: 14
Height: 6-2 Weight: 220
Position: QB Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2011
40 Time: 4.94 40 Low: 4.83 40 High: 5.06
Projected Round: 4-5 Stock:
Rated number 5 out of 117 QB's

POSTED BY FLOUNDER21


Oh come on Flounder. The guy's a red head. Since when have the Redskins had any success with redheaded QBs...Oh wait a minute...I just remembered one.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2011 2:14 AM | Report abuse

TCU is legit, people.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe |


I don't know. Their bowl win today wasn't over a team from a major conference.

The State of Michigan, incidentally, is on suicide watch.

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2011 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Did Hitler deserve a second chance?

Who would be on your top five list for why we should keep the death penalty?

Hitler
The guy who murdered 2pac
The guy who murdered MLKjr
The guy who murdered Sean Taylor
Tie between Tony Montana and Mickey&Mallory Knox?

Maybe street justice is/should be the new death penalty?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 2, 2011 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Incidentally, after a certain conference's performance yesterday, we can send a message to the Prez of Ohio State:

Big Ten = Little Sisters of the Poor

Posted by: Nemo24601 | January 2, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

We, as fans, all know the O line needs up-
grading. They seem to be showing some improvement lately. The Giants will show us
how much (if any). This is a big game for them. I have to pray that the coach knows it as well!
If you have a good O line..average QB`s would be fine...Mark Rypien comes to mind. I think J.C, is showing that fact out in Oakland. Hindsight is not worth much...but,
had they focused the last couple of years on building the O line..Jason would have been just fine as our QB. We would have re-signed him for less money than McNabb, and had two draft choices..that were wasted. Again, hindsight let`s us know that mistake. Shanahan should have known Andy Reid would not have traded Donovan to a team within his division if he thought for a moment McNabb would comeback to haunt him.
Having a good GM in place...who knows the personnel needs of a team, AND CAN EVALUATE A PLAYERS CURRENT SKILLS...is a way you can
avoid having to look back in hindsight.

The team should follow the Belichik model!
As someone previously said..they will win the super bowl, and his has a ton of draft choices next year. ONE THING THEY DO IS TRADE PLAYERS WHO STILL HAVE WORTH..FOR DRAFT CHOICES. THEY ALSO CORRECTLY EVALUATE YOUNG PLAYERS...THEY DON`T SEEM TO MAKE MANY MISTAKES WITH THE NEW GUYS.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | January 2, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan should have known Andy Reid would not have traded Donovan to a team within his division if he thought for a moment McNabb would comeback to haunt him.

Having a good GM in place...who knows the personnel needs of a team, AND CAN EVALUATE A PLAYERS CURRENT SKILLS...is a way you can
avoid having to look back in hindsight.

The team should follow the Belichik model!


Posted by: blazerguy234 | January 2, 2011 8:26 AM

1. McNabb did come back to haunt him. Beat him 17-12 in Philadelphia on October 3.

2. If you don't look back with hindsight (which is what your post if full of), then what do you do? Look back with foresight? If you don't look back with hindsight, how do you learn from the past?

3. "Follow the Belichick model." Great plan! Three fourths of the teams in the league are trying it. Only thing is there is only one Belichick to execute that model.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 2, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Debaitor

Does the movie Die Hard count as a Christmas movie?

No.

But True Grit might as there's plenty 'o snow, blood, gunshots, indian kickin', some whinin', a smart woman, gunfire, hangin', cussin', lyin', horse murder, tongue bitin', snorin' old broads, snakes, pissin', drunken boastin', farts in any general direction, drinkin', death, and double-crossin'.

A least that's what's Christmas is like at my house.

Now, lemme go take down that tree.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Big Ten = Little Sisters of the Poor

Gotta trenchant observation:

For whatever reason, American football has become a sport of the South and West.

Northern schools suk at the sport--a role reversal highlighted by Wisconsin's old-school power attack getting smoked by TCU's speed and athleticism.

Yes, Notre Dame beat a clueless 'Cane team.

But without Luke Campbell, scrippas, and Mike Irvin around, dem boys in Miami are more of a wind than a hurricane.

In any event, the better athletes Northern teams feature are kids from the Southeast, Southwest, or the football power vortex known as Georgia-Florida-Texas-Louisiana-California.

What are folks in Michigan-Ohio-Pennsylvania not feeding their sons?

Tell them yankee boys to put that XBOX controller or Wii down and get to runnin' track and weight-lifting this spring.

The South/West continues to rise when elite teams meet in the bowls.

It makes you wonder if Northern football--where so much traditional and history exist--will ever get up and out and dominate again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Another mock this guy claims to have inside information on the Skins and is a fan.

11. Redskins
Pick Breakdown... Stephen Paea
DT from Oregon State

As a Redskins fan, and with a little insight into what the organization is thinking, I disagree with this pick, but if he's available, it will be Stephen Paea. even if the Skins pick in the top ten. In Jim Haslett's 3-4 defense, a big, dominant nose tackle is the most important position on the field. Paea would step in and start immediately at a position which the Redskins lack any true talent. I think the Redskins need to focus on a quarterback first, and everything else second, but with Paea being available, and with no character concerns, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Smith will pick him.


34. Redskins
Pick Breakdown... Rahim Moore
FS from UCLA

Another flaw of the Redskins defense this season was the lack of talent in the secondary. Kareem Moore is not talented enough to start in the NFL, but Rahim Moore definitely is

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Happy new years RI!

And a good morning from the Delaware shores. Definitely weird seeing a snow covered boardwalk here. And speaking of Delaware... I haven't heard much about the QB from Delaware we were projected to take in the 2nd round, what's the story on him?

A belated pound to you, Moe. Hope the beer was tasty.

ih8, nothing serious I hope.

F the Ginas, HTTR!!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 2, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

Another flaw of the Redskins defense this season was the lack of talent in the secondary.

Agree to a point.

The corner play is fine (re-sign CR22-Hall satisfies)), LL is great, but our FS is the glaring weakness.

That's why giving K Barnes more time at FS today is so important--if he continues to improve, you essentially play with three corners and LL next Fall.

Bring in a FA FS and draft another kid to play the position--one who can also play corner.

Given the amount of passing, corner type secondary guys are of more value than run-stopping safety types who can't cover deep balls well.

Ahmad Black--UF is a standout as is Lattimore of South Carolina.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I would love to see Barnes take off at FS, he has the tools to play the position.

I think 2nd round is way to early to draft a FS, I still say that we need a NT or rush LB with the 1st pick.

2nd pick go o-line or if there is a QB that you really like take him.

The only way I would go QB in round one is if Shanny really thinks the guy fits his offense perfectly because if he drafts a bust in the first round thats gonna look really bad on his already questioned GM skills.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

When you have holes at every single position you take the best available player regardless of position.

Posted by: srobert1117 | January 2, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, that redskin fan has Bruce Smith selecting our first round draft pick?

Happy New Year Romo!

Posted by: mack1 | January 2, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Theres a lot of people out there wanting us to take WR with the first pick and there are 2 very good ones that could be there. Julio Jones and Justin Blackmon are going to be studs in the NFL.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, I could care less about Vinny's past mistakes you don't let a past regimes mistakes dictate what you do especially not a past regime that was as bad as Vinny.

We could use a top flight WR, alot of this will depend on how many o-line pieces we can get in FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

srobert1117

When you have holes at every single position you take the best available player regardless of position.


When you have holes:

--you use FA money on low cost depth guys

--you find ways to get more picks

--target 2-3 possible FA young starters and pay them

--you drag undrafted defensive/offensive lineman types hoping to find a couple of diamond in the rouhg types


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, that redskin fan has Bruce Smith selecting our first round draft pick?

Happy New Year Romo!

Posted by: mack1 | January 2, 2011 10:00 AM |

I saw that after I posted it well everybody is entilted to a few typos I guess.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse


Starting 11: Redskins vs. Giants

By: John Keim 01/02/11 8:50 AM
Examiner Staff Writer

1. How focused are the Redskins? They say they want to win and I believe them. But one thing concerns me: Several days ago I saw a couple players tweet something about next week (meaning, going home/time off, etc.) and there were more tweets about the New Year’s bash than about finishing strong. Winning takes preparation and I wonder if they did the same prep work this week as they had previously. It’s not just about playing hard during the game. Not saying they didn’t prepare, but the results likely will show how much.

2. Will the Giants recover? That’s an equally perplexing question because not only are they coming off 4 ½ disastrous quarters, but they’re also down their top two receivers and their offensive line is reshuffled again. But keep in mind their line was banged up the first time these teams played and it didn’t matter. And they were without their best two wideouts in that game as well. Also, as far as recovering, the Giants lost consecutive games earlier this season by a combined 43 points – and then won five straight. So they’re a hard team to figure. Seems like when you think you have them nailed, they reverse direction.

3. Will the Redskins repeat last week’s defensive performance? They played well vs. Jacksonville – the loss of Maurice Jones-Drew hurt, but the Redskins played without Brian Orakpo, Reed Doughty and, once again, LaRon Landry. I do wonder about this group facing a team with a legitimate running game, one that can feature a lot of size, too. The line played fantastic, using leverage better in this game than any other. But to expect a repeat would be asking a lot. Doesn’t mean they won’t win, but New York is better equipped to move vs. them than the Jaguars. And if the Giants are able to establish the run …

4. Will Brian Orakpo’s return matter? It has to. Now, Lorenzo Alexander did a solid job on his side defending the run last week and Rob Jackson applied some pressure. So it’s not as though they received no production from his spot. Also, Orakpo hasn’t done a whole lot in his last seven games (1.5 sacks). But New York’s left tackle Shawn Andrews is playing with a bad back and likely will only be in the game because of injuries to others. That’s a good sign for Orakpo.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 2, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

5. Will Eli Manning pick on Phillip Buchanon again? Why not? Worked the first time, didn’t it? Once Manning finds a weakness in the defense, he will hammer away and that’s what he did with Buchanon, leading to his benching. But the Redskins played a lot of soft zone coverage in that game so it wasn’t just about the player. Also, Buchanon’s real problems came in tackling. He was terrible and against a physical team, you must do better. Will he? My other concern is Kevin Barnes at safety. He was, at best, just OK last week; I know he’s new to the position, but it is not a realistic position for him to play (full-time) in the future at his size. So look for Manning to attack one of these two.

6. How can the Redskins slow this offense? Welcome to cliché land: stop the run and force turnovers. Hard to get that sort of insight anywhere. The Redskins did well vs. Jacksonville because, in the second half, they could use seven defenders to stop the run. If they have to use eight vs. the Giants, it’ll be difficult. But New York, as you probably know, has committed a league-best 41 turnovers – helped by Eli Manning’s 24 picks. He makes terrible decisions at times, and he’s also very aggressive. Ahmad Bradshaw has lost six fumbles this season. On a slick field, he could add to his total. The best way for Washington to win this game is to cause a turnover early and get up on the Giants for a change. They always seem to be playing from behind, allowing the Giants to use their pass rush and running game to finish them.

7. Can the line handle this rush? It’s not just about the line; it’s about the calls and the backs picking up the blitz. Keiland Williams has done a pretty good job of late and Ryan Torain has improved, though he still has work to do. The Giants come with a lot of speed and don’t need to blitz, so it also comes down to linemen winning one-on-one battles. Justin Tuck against Jammal Brown and Osi Umenyiora vs. Trent Williams will be interesting to watch. Brown has improved lately, but his mobility is still not at a high level and Williams has been inconsistent. He looks great at times, then struggles with his awareness at others and that leads to problems.

8. What’s the worry? Rex Grossman in the pocket. The Giants have recorded 44 sacks; they will pressure him at some point. Jacksonville could not; the Jags don’t have pass rushers. Can Grossman make plays when the pocket collapses? Too often he does not and, rather, he makes negative plays. New York has the ends to pinch the pocket and the tackles – Barry Cofield and Chris Canty -- to push the guards back into his face.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 2, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

9. Will they be able to run the ball? They have no choice. Green Bay was one-dimensional, but the Packers had an MVP candidate in Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. The Redskins do not have that person. The Giants’ run defense has been pretty solid, but their linebackers are a rather mediocre bunch. The ends play the run fairly well, but if the Redskins can get some backside blocks they should be able to at least threaten New York. Remember, in the first meeting Washington did not have Ryan Torain or Clinton Portis. Having Torain will help. My concern is the matchup with the guards vs. New York’s D-tackles. Washington has to hope the guards’ quickness matters more than New York’s power.

10. Where else can they hurt New York? Punt returns. New York has been dreadful in this area, partly because punter Matt Dodge has been inconsistent. Yes, he made a bad punt to DeSean Jackson a couple weeks ago, but it’s not just that play. Hang-time is an issue. He’s only had seven punts fair caught out of 65 and he’s dropped just 18 inside the 20. Opposing punt returners average 14.0 yards with two touchdowns.

11. Who will win? My gut tells me the Redskins will pull it out. But New York has won eight of the last nine and my gut has been wrong several times in this stretch. So I adopted a credo: ride the Giants until they actually lose to the Redskins. Seriously, though, the Giants defensive line and running game are set up to hurt Washington. If the Redskins get up early, that will be the key. The Giants, knowing what happened the last two games, might suffer a severe lack of confidence at that point. Makes a difference. The Redskins will play better than in the first meeting when they turned it over six times. New York will play better last week when it turned it over six times, too. Good game; Giants win. Giants 24, Redskins 21.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/01/starting-11-redskins-vs-giants#ixzz19tKgs4NW

Posted by: beep-beep | January 2, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

When you have holes:

--you use FA money on low cost depth guys

--you find ways to get more picks

--target 2-3 possible FA young starters and pay them

--you drag undrafted defensive/offensive lineman types hoping to find a couple of diamond in the rouhg types


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 10:06 AM |


Good points here. The other thing to remember is that through the FA and draft the Skins have to find at least 4 starters (2 Olmen, WR, QB) and 4 starters on defense (NT, DE, OLB, FS). IMO a team should only look to a first and second rounder to start early in the season. In that case I'd expect the Skins to select 5 or 6 highly rated FAs.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

yo moe

Sorry for the lag but I finally noticed ur response to me yesterday.

When I said you were addressingt our depth I wasn't reffering to your free agents you liked, it was more towards the rnds you were looking to select o lineman in. I belive 5th n 6th or something like that you said

Those free agents are decent but id like to add free agents to the defense n let shanny groom his young men.

Add via FA
V jackson
C Bailey for cb /fs
DE
OLB
OG

Draft
Ol/ol/dline/qb/wr/ dline

We both agree we need new lineman I just think we should add as much quality to our line possible. Sure shanny got by with lighter lower rnd lineman, I think he realizes now that this ain't denver and his line is the worst in the nfl.

One things for sure its gonna be a fun offseason n draft, but aren't we always the offseason champs??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

twisi

In that case I'd expect the Skins to select 5 or 6 highly-rated FAs.


Best FA Choices?:

center

guard

free safety/corner

defensive end

wide receiver (big, rangy, fast)

inside linebacker


--all young guys

--2/3 should come in as starters

--the center and guard should be well-paid

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

We say the skins need guards/tackles.

But, what's up with Artis Hicks/Derrick Dockery?

Is Stephon Heyer really a guard/tackle?

Who plays tackle if Brown isn't re-signed and Williams gets hurt?

Is Wil Montgomery any good or not worth counting on as a starter?

Are these guys keepers or goners?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali

V jackson


I've read where the chargers are gonna do whatever to keep Jackson.

And although redskin fans hate the idea, guys like Blackmon, Chapman, Broyles, and Green are very, very sexy draft young'ns.

Blackmon, IMO, might be better than Dez--and Dez is a stud in the making.

Would you use a first rounder on him?

Nope.

We can get by adding a young vet FA receiver even if VJax isn't freed up.

Signing S Moss to another contract must happen.

It's a deep WR draft, so expect a couple of unknown wr types to fall to us late next Spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Moe do you think better play from o line will help or hurt our offense???

Why not add the peice to the defense via FA n have one of the best young o lines in the game?

Olb
De/dt
Cb/fs
C

Draft the best two lineman available

I like both ideas on the rebuild I would just rather add top talent to my line early instead of hoping for later rnd guys to be diamonds in the rough as you described.

As our o line goes so does our team.

I'm not too sure but I think the last time we had a great line, we played for some titles???

And didn't that all get done with the same line and multiple different qbs???

My point is this, starts off with the line, get our offense rolling and everything else will look better

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Quick question:

Do you put Santana into the Redskins Ring of Honor?

I say without a doubt.

Oh and I have a feeling the Redskins win today!

HTTR

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 2, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

There keepers as DEPTH these guys wouldn't start on any other team in the league

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 2, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Brandon,

It's not that they wouldn't want to keep them for depth - it's just that teams can't afford all their backups to earn 2-4 million each.

Posted by: charley42 | January 2, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Why not??

Our back up QB is gonna make 16 milli

Remember shanny told dmac he can't promise he will be here, he also didn't promise he WOULDN'T be here

A lot of people act like its over for good n I think that's the media swirling stuff

Dmac could be back next yr as our starter, not saying he will just don't think its as closed in the books as everyone makes it

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 2, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Jason Garrett gets Cowboys gig
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 2, 2011, 11:27 AM EST
Jason Garrett becoming the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys for the 2011 season has gone from “likely” to definite.

NFL Network is reporting that the deal is done and Garrett will be introduced as the Cowboys’ head coach this week.

Michael Lombardi, who first reported on NFL Network that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones had officially made the decision to hire Garrett, noted that the Cowboys “talked to Ray Sherman to satisfy the Rooney Rule.” That’s an interesting phrasing, as the purpose of the Rooney Rule isn’t just to talk to a minority coaching candidate for appearances’ sake. The point of the Rooney Rule is to encourage teams to actually consider minority coaching candidates. The hiring of Garrett comes across as though Jones first decided to make the hiring and then decided to interview a minority just to comply with league policies.

NFL Network’s Steve Mariucci, whose hiring by the Detroit Lions in 2003 led to then-Lions President Matt Millen being fined $200,000 for violating the Rooney Rule, also noted that Jones seemed to be rushing into hiring Garrett.

“I thought he might go through the process and talk to some other people that are out there,” Mariucci said.

Instead, Jones has made his decision, and Garrett is his man.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 2, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

rate your beeps

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 2, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

....because you can pay some of your backups - especially a backup QB more.

Posted by: charley42 | January 2, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

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