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Posted at 4:38 PM ET, 12/ 3/2010

Golston, Haynesworth, Torain, T. Williams among the questionable

By Rick Maese

In addition to ruling out safety LaRon Landry (Achilles) and cornerback Carlos Rogers (hamstring), the Redskins have listed 14 players as questionable for Sunday's game at the New York Giants.

The group includes: linebacker Lorenzo Alexander (hamstring), receiver Brandon Banks (knee), guard Derrick Dockery (knee), defensive end Kedric Golston (elbow/groin), defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (illness), guard Artis Hicks (thigh), defensive end Jeremy Jarmon (hamstring), safety Kareem Moore (knee), receiver Santana Moss (knee), linebacker Brian Orakpo (ankle), center Casey Rabach (knee), running back Ryan Torain (hamstring), receiver Roydell Williams (foot) and tackle Trent Williams (shoulder).

Of the group, Golston, Haynesworth, Torain and Trent Williams were all limited in Friday's practice.

The Giants have ruled out tackle Shawn Andrews (back), cornerback Will Blackmon (chest), receiver Hakeem Nicks (leg) and center Shawn O'Hara (foot). Receiver Steve Smith (pectoral) and tackle David Diehl (hip/hamstring) are both doubtful.

By Rick Maese  | December 3, 2010; 4:38 PM ET
 
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Questionable indeed, the whole lot of em...

Posted by: Stu27 | December 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

What happened to blog...result of bad season I guess?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 3, 2010 4:36 PM

I don't think so. About all the Redskins have had since the blog started were bad seasons. If it weren't for bad seasons, there wouldn't be any seasons at all.

A lot of good posters have moved on for whatever reason -- pdiddy, moodleymoodleymoo, Redcoat. Others, like ChrisLarrY, dcsween, RedDMV, learnedhand have reduced their presence. And a lot of the newer, more vocal posters are, well, "different."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for the Redskins used to mean good news for the conversation up here.

I gotta think that life (jobbie jobs, family, whatevs) has intervened for a lot of peeps, and preferred internet communication methods have shifted (to twitter and the facebook and so forth)...

And more than anything it's been four and a half years since RI got going. That's a hell of a long time for ANY community to last, and it would be unrealistic not to expect some "churn" in the participants.

Look at me, blathering on, as always.

HAIL TO THE BLOG. And so on.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I miss Moo's postings. They were always rather entertaining. I also wonder what happened to this once lively blog... :(

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 3, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And you said it, Stu. Yeesh. Week 13.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

moodly moo seemed like a legitimately nice dude. Lives out here in the Northwest. Got bummed out about the conversation up here, I think, and bowed out.

That stinks, and it's yet more evidence that the conversation up here hasn't always been what we as a group are capable of making it.

(And I'm certainly guilty of not always having been on my best behavior up here.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To add depth at a necessary position, the Skins have re-signed Bubba Tyer.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

(And I'm certainly guilty of not always having been on my best behavior up here.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:20 PM

That's stinkin' thinkin' ... don't make me say gosh golly at you!

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for the Redskins used to mean good news for the conversation up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:00 PM

That's b/c St. Joe and Zorn always said the most ludicrously positive things regardless of winning or losing. The guys were entertaining.

Shanahan is a different animal ... not particularly eccentric ... always keeping a stiff upper lip ... or, at least, he would if he had an upper lip.

http://footballontap.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mikeshanahanredskins.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | December 3, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse


And a lot of the newer, more vocal posters are, well, "different."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 3, 2010 4:44 PM |
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JuSt BeInG DiFfErEnT UP-UP oVeR hErE bOsS !


Posted by: hessone | December 3, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS ANNOUNCE FAN PARTICIPATION EVENT

ASHBURN, VA -- Considering the way things are going this season -- with virtually all of their starting and supporting players down and out for one injury or another -- the Redskins have announced an open casting call at Redskins Park on Tuesday -- and are inviting anyone who might be even remotely interested in playing on the team for their next home game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on December 12, and each they can stay healthy week thereafter.

While they’re calling it the “12th Man, Fan and Fantasy Player Participation Event,” Redskin Outsiders are saying the real motive behind staging the open try-outs is to avoid having to sign yet another “real” football player to yet another overpriced and under-performing pro contract, while the team zombie-walks through several more meaningless games until the end of the season, and heads out into off-season walk-out/lock out to follow.

For details, visit Redskins.com and click on the hyperlink at the “I Already Have My Own Jersey” tab.


Posted by: Vic1 | December 3, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the second guessing Shanahan edition, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

Yup, a rare multi-part edition. But if I’m going controversial …

As many up here know, I was a big fan of hiring Mike Shanahan as HC, not so much as team exec. But I’m finding it harder to be a fan of Shanahan in either role at this point. But first, some background.

According to Tim Keown of ESPN, Shanahan “coaches like a guy who doesn't need it”. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=keown/101109

Falser words have rarely been spoken. The reality is Shanahan needs to run a football show. It is as critical to Shanahan as oxygen. It is not just his own life, it is the chosen profession of his only son. If Stefan Fatsis had titled his book about his time with Shanahan “Obsession”, Shanahan would probably have taken it as a compliment (Fatsis went with the title: A Few Seconds of Panic). Football is Shanahan’s world and I’ll suggest those who need confirmation read Fatsis’ articles or his book.

Shanahan believes he has the answers, that he’s the sharpest mind in football. He’s probably right in some aspects. But that sort of confidence isn’t bordering on arrogant. It is over the top arrogant. His explanations of McNabb’s benching vs DET weren’t honest. He knew it, the media knew it and the fans knew it. And it’s hard to imagine Shanahan cared.

What mattered to Shanahan about the McNabb incident is the same thing that mattered to him about his issues with Haynesworth. When Shanahan sent messages to these specific players, others were copied on memo: No one is to challenge Shanahan. Not any players, not Bruce Allen, not Dan Snyder, not Haslett and certainly not Kyle Shanahan. MS has taken actions towards his two most highly paid players. No one has told him to cool it. Shanahan has absolute power to do what he wants in DC. No checks, no balances.

He is a control freak that understands power. He knows the owner can’t stop him and players can’t challenge him. He’s smart enough to hire coaches that respect him and his accomplishments. Of course, they really can’t leave, either – its doubtful any team would hire Kyle or Haslett into a similar position at this point.

I doubt there is a single bone in Mike Shanahan’s body that feels threatened. Even after the problems with Albert, the meltdown vs DET, the meltdown in philly and now the loss vs Minny.

Nonetheless, Shanahan has a very complex set of motivations. A team president needs to look at the world differently than a HC. And differently than a GM. And differently than a father. Shanahan has all of those roles to manage, every day. I’m particularly wondering about the father-son situation. I’m generally skeptical of this sort of thing, and the more I see, the more I get a sense that neither is bringing out the best in the other.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, Part 2

Though most see Shanahan through his experiences in Denver, other football experiences are perhaps more important.

Prior to his hiring as Bronco head coach, Shanahan ran the West Coast offense for the 49ers, inherited from the greatest offensive mind of all, Bill Walsh. But Walsh was hardly the only West Coast learning experience for Shanahan.

The Al Davis world of Raider football is a bizarro world that requires a suspension of common sense. Davis, ticked off at Marcus Allen, attempted to replace the future HOF running back while still in his prime, eventually forcing Allen to be benched. The Davis-Allen feud took shape during the coaching tenure of Mike Shanahan. Then Shanahan was personally screwed over by Davis. Shanahan won a lawsuit for compensation related to his firing, and has still been unable to collect.

A third football experience is unlike the other 2. Shanahan suffered a ruptured kidney during a football practice while in college – and nearly died.

Shanahan’s experiences in football, with a genius, a madmen and mortality, are hardly the norm. Given Shanahan’s history, his battle with Haynesworth, his benching of McNabb, the large scale failures apparent in the switch to a 3-4 and even the Monday blowout loss to philly are downright pedestrian by comparison.

Snyder bought into Mike Shanahan as a guy who needs zero on-the-job training. Shanahan is a brilliant guy with incredible and unique experiences, but he still has his blind spots.

Fans and media quickly picked up the failed experiments that were Kory Lichtensteiger (keeping Dockery out of uniform on game day is just as telling), Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. The area that Shanahan would be expected to have the biggest impact, the offense, is the area where the team is most like the Zorn era teams. Halftime adjustments? Just not happening. Character? Come crunch time, this team looks lost more often than not, both players and coaches.

As someone who advocated for Coach Shanahan and against Executive Shanahan, I’m finding less reason to buy into either one at this point. He’s a bunch better than Jim Zorn, but that is very faint praise. To paraphrase Sharon Stone, a dirt sandwich is better than Jim Zorn.

I wonder if there is simply too much on Shanahan’s plate. He doesn’t appear to have the fire he needs, and I get a sense that he’s having trouble processing what is going on. Perhaps the man just needs a few good nights sleep.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

A lil' tit-for-tat for that whack job who was posting the Right Wing nonsense the other day...

I visualize him as something akin to the Old Republican Git who was obliterated by Cooper....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/anderson-cooper-demolishes-birther_n_790696.html

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, Part 3

Shanahan’s offseason moves (trades, FA signings and player re-signings) were, for the most part, individually defensible. The cumulative effect, however, was to make an old team even older, with fewer high draft picks for 2010 and 2011. It was ‘win now’, or at least, ‘win soon’. The desperately needed rebuilding process was, at best, significantly delayed. The limited youth movement is TW, the Scrap Heap 5 (Torain, Lichtensteiger, KWilliams, Banks, Armstrong) and perhaps W Montgomery or James Davis. Only TW and Banks look like key pieces. To me, it looks like we lost more than a year in the rebuilding process as we traded picks, reduced the value of tradable guys (AH92, Carter) while creating new and critically unsolved needs with the 3-4 transition.

Some will argue that it was appropriate to make the 3-4 in 2010 -- that there was much to be learned this season, even if it meant a difficult transition. I could buy that reasoning, except this team made too many ‘win now’ moves.

The approach to 2010 suggested to me that Shanahan believed he was at the peak of his power and could win a championship this season. Not that he would win one, but that it was possible. Upgrade this team to good, get hot at the exact right time – combine a fortunate bounce or three with a few brilliant coaching moves – and championship!! It has happened before. But he fell into the same pit as Cerrato did, believing he could rebuild and win at the same time. He underestimated the tasks on offense and the new system on defense. Based on pay vs performance, he considerably overestimated Donovan McNabb (though Donovan did play well vs Minny). And, worst of all, Shanahan overestimated himself.

Unlike Cerrato, Shanahan has all the levers. He is all-powerful, at least for now. Of all the changes Shanahan will need to make, the one that maybe most important is to find someone he can trust to handle some of the key responsibilities he currently takes on himself. Simply put, I think a major problem with this team is that Shanahan is trying to do too many jobs. My recommendation? Have the Skins hire Harbaugh from Stanford to be the HC next season and hope Shanahan can be a better exec than he’s shown so far. But it won’t happen. Right now, Shanahan is harming himself and this team. Cracks are showing, and a bad stretch to finish this season won’t be good for anyone. Short term or long term.

And that is ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES (with some added reading in the links) as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Stephan Fatsis on Shanny:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121477975676614277.html.html?mod=sports&mg=com-wsj

ESPN wrote an article on the nastiest nuptials in sports, Shanahan is the only name to appear twice, his battle with Davis and in a supporting role in the Elway-Reeves break-up:

http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/s/armstrong/030103.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Must be a Friday evening.

Zeke's in reruns.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

4-12, that's a great pull, dude. Shabingus indeed!

I've spotted you 54 points in the fantasy F-ball this week. May the rest of your team, ah, not score very many points the rest of the way...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

And may my fantasy QB, Peyton Manning, score more fantasy points against the Cowboys than your fantasy QB scored last night.

Mostly because that should mean the Colts beat the snot out of the Cowboys. Which would be good for me, fantasy-wise, and would be good for America.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Peyton Manning gets better this week with Collie returning to the lineup, plus Mike Hart (the other RB). Plus Dallas' secondary blows.

[Though I do think that Jason Garrett was sandbagging on the offensive play calling to get Phillips fired.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The thing that killed Peyton Manning (and the Colts in general) was ... wait for it ... Laron Landry. His pile driver of Dallas Clark into the turf was essentially the end of the guy's season. Without Clark, Manning is just the older brother of the mouth breather in New York.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,

I appreciate your obvious passion for the team, but you are waaaaay over analyzing this.

It's far too soon to jump to any of the conclusions you make. And besides, you have no real, personal insight into the situation, you are just re-hashing the critiques on Shanahan that have always been out there.

The guy is very good at what he does. People like him will always be targets.

Relax and watch the next few years and you'll understand.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 3, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Now THAT's a hell of a conspiracy theory, sween.

Er, I guess it can't be a conspiracy if it's just the one guy doing it.

But it's still a doozy of a theory.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Megskin was the Harper Lee of the RI blog.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Scamp...wasn't about sock puppets...just lumped you monk and chia in an post this morning...we just kinda ran with it.

You sure did smack the ahole around a little last night...from what you told him it didn't sound like you think he is "mostly alright" haha
I'll speak for monk and understand if you don't want to be in our sock puppet gang.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 3, 2010 3:20 PM

There's hardly a poster up here that I have not given the business to up here at some point. It wasn't beeps first go round either. If it's any consolation I think you two are "mostly alright" too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, sween, the notion that the mouthbreather was licking his chops in anticipation of playing against the Skins' D has been troubling me all week... mouthbreather licking his chops... slobber everywhere... disgusting.

F the Giants, and F Elisha Manning. Redskins win Sunday.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

moodly moo seemed like a legitimately nice dude. Lives out here in the Northwest. Got bummed out about the conversation up here, I think, and bowed out.

That stinks, and it's yet more evidence that the conversation up here hasn't always been what we as a group are capable of making it.

(And I'm certainly guilty of not always having been on my best behavior up here.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 5:20 PM |

I blame myself mostly. And you can too!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

... And besides, you have no real, personal insight into the situation, ...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 3, 2010 7:25 PM

"You're out of your element, Donnie," said Walter Sobchak.

Nate, believe it. Review the results. The Kitna-led offense pre-Phillips and post-Phillips.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The bizniz about the matchup is that the mouthbreather will pick apart the Skins new boy secondary. Whatever. The only thing the Giants have going on in the passing game is Mario Manningham ... and he's just not that good. He's the best they got, so Hall gets him. The Giants O-line is banged up but if Haslett has any sense about old film, he'll see that Eli panics after he's been thrown to the turf about 2-3 times. They need to blitz and blitz early. Frankly, Haynesworth's twenty snaps should be the first twenty passing downs of the game. Giants are going to have to run the ball (which they probably are going to do anyway b/c the Skins aren't that good against the run ... they just haven't figured that out yet ... as of Week Twelve). Hopefully it rains on Sunday anyway. If Banks gets his seven points, Gano gets his six, then McNabb only has to put together one long drive to win this game. Skins' D is good in the redzone so they can keep the Giants to field goals. As I'm typing this, I think I need to change my wager to the under.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

scamp, no doubt you have had your moments mixing it up up here. As have I. But I miss the moo man, as I miss so many of our departed comrades.

(Pouring out a little Fat Tire in their honor; hope the custodial staff doesn't mind.)

sween, I am convinced that it's the double-whammy "addition by subtraction" of removing Wade AND losing Romo to injury that has the Cowboys fired up. I'd play better, too, if those two numbskulls were out of the picture.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"You're out of your element, Donnie," said Walter Sobchak.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Do tell.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 3, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Your 7:41 post made me happy, sween. I've been going on the completely vague "we play well against good teams, crap against crappy teams" tip all week, but I like what you said. It sounds really footbally.

F the Giants, I say unto you. F 'em.

Hail to the Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

scamp, no doubt you have had your moments mixing it up up here. As have I. But I miss the moo man, as I miss so many of our departed comrades.

(Pouring out a little Fat Tire in their honor; hope the custodial staff doesn't mind.)

sween, I am convinced that it's the double-whammy "addition by subtraction" of removing Wade AND losing Romo to injury that has the Cowboys fired up. I'd play better, too, if those two numbskulls were out of the picture.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 7:42 PM |

Yea, there were some good dudes up here. It was easy to conversate with them without having to give them the business end of my keyboard. Seemed a lot more intellectually stable than many on here these days. Football knowlegeable too...not like this crew (mostly.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

WG, its a quote from the Big Lebowski ... your response to the "unique" regurgitations brought from yahoo reminded me of it.

Nate, Romo has been out since Week 6. They weren't good with him or without him, plus it took forever to get the prostitute's son on the field (and he has not been all that since he got on the field).

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason why so many don't post comments on the blog anymore as some were lamenting at the beginning of this thread is because of stuff like the "Zeke" pastes in... Who the hell wants to read all that crap that from another website? It's got nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong, negative or positive, it's just ridiculous! Half the time most of the "poopy_mcpoop" posts were better than most of ya!

Posted by: keywester-va | December 3, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Nate, the whole "Dallas is good" vibe is just sports media loving them some America's team. Everyone acts like they're good because they beat the Giants ... so what. First, NFC East football is still brutal no matter how injured the division is. Second, Giants are on a slide. Just like the Chargers peak late (and make it to the playoffs, then lose because of Norv), the Giants fade late (but sometimes make it to the playoffs, then lose because of Eli). That David Tyree helmet catch was just bad officiating. At the time no one cared about the holding because everyone was hating Belichik and Brady. Not that there's anything wrong with that ... I know I still do ... but I have to recognize that about myself and adjust. Bottom line: Patriots (-3) beat the Jets at home and the under.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there was once a time when the important things about Skins football were important up here. Like about how Shanahan has no upper lip.

[Wait, switch the first important ... make that unimportant.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Um ... scratch that ... NYJ @ NE should be the over.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else watching the MAC Championship game? Close one so far. N. Illinois is up by 1 point, should be up by 2 TDs.

I don't know if Miami can hang with them the whole game, though. Their secondary has gotten torched pretty badly so far. If not for a flat out drop and an underthrown ball, it's 28-13.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Also, you know who I really don't cotton to? That wikileaks guy. Not the military one they caught. The fancy hair guy named Julian. He strikes me like a Tom Brady-type, only without the accuracy or hot models. Just a real dcik.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Also, you know who I really don't cotton to? That wikileaks guy. Not the military one they caught. The fancy hair guy named Julian. He strikes me like a Tom Brady-type, only without the accuracy or hot models. Just a real dcik.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Just a real dcik.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 8:23 PM

The two women he raped also see him as a dcik.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 3, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 8:23 PM

I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I think that what has lowered the quality of RI is the constant blog bullying and blog policing. There are quite a few posters up here who will resort to insults just because you don't agree with them or simply attempt to engage them in debate. Many intelligent people have little patience for that. Also, people in general dislike being told what they can or can not do, especially somewhere thats meant to be a place for the free exchange of ideas. Let's face it, you have to have a pretty thick skin and a lot of patience to survive up here.

Posters such as Debaitor are major problem too. Who wants to go on a sports blog and have to deal with comletely off topic garbage that's just meant to stir up controversy?

As usual with any community setting, it's just a few messing it up for the many, but that's just a part of life. I personnaly feel that there are enough good posters and intelligent discussions that I can ignore the rest of the crap, but then again, I have quite a thick skin and more patience than the average human.

Cheers to those who make RI worthwhile and Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow.... any way you look at it the Skins are going to get spanked this weekend. The Giants usually do beat us pretty good.. this will be no different. Our only hope is the Rabach vanishes into thin air so we can get a new center. Can the staff not see how bad he is? A-gap blitz/pressure beats him every time, and without CP's blocking skills, McNabb is going to get hurt this game. Our defence is invisible. In a game not at close as the score: NY 27 Wash 13

Posted by: scoot21 | December 3, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, you have to have a pretty thick skin and a lot of patience to survive up here.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 3, 2010 8:43 PM

You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Jim Leonhard for the Jets broke his tibia in practice.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 8:45 PM

Yes, and you will also notice that Tonya Harding was recently added to the Patriots' active roster. Coincidence?

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 8:23 PM

I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:40 PM

Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f%cking ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as sh1t *don't f&cking roll*!

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Miami U. might just make me eat my words this evening.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

That Tonya Harding line would have worked better if it was the Jets practice squad. DAMB IT!

["Will you just take it easy, Walter!"

"I'm perfectly calm, Dude. Calmer than you are."]

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:52 PM

Who said I'm a pacifist? I'm just not a first-strike kind of guy. I've also learned that hurling insults in an anonymous setting is very seldom effective. Why submit my keyboard to extra wear-and-tear on a futile endeavor?

Anyway, back to football.

How many games will Thomas last before he is cut by the Giants? My guess would be three.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 3, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I think Miami U. might just make me eat my words this evening.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

MU alum here. Let's hope so!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 3, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

kass-

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners. Shoosh. I sure hope he makes the finals.

They're Big Lebowski quotes..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

RIP Ron Santo. He reminds me of Sam Huff. Great player, turned broadcaster, turned crazy uncle that wore all his emotions on his sleeve during the broadcast.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 3, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the fact that VPI scheduled James Madison as an early season joke game to pad their stats.. And now it turns out that loss keeps them 15th in the BCS. Sorry Hokie lovers but, its true.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 3, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:52 PM

Who said I'm a pacifist? I'm just not a first-strike kind of guy. I've also learned that hurling insults in an anonymous setting is very seldom effective. Why submit my keyboard to extra wear-and-tear on a futile endeavor?

Anyway, back to football.

How many games will Thomas last before he is cut by the Giants? My guess would be three.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 3, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal. Which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.

DT finishes season with the Gints. He then signs a lucrative contract (cause everyone knows he's the next Jerry Rice) and becomes more beloved (gag) than Phil Simms and Mark Bavaro.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, congrats, WaitingGuilty!

I was pulling for MU, been watching them the past few weeks since their starting QB went down, but I just didn't know if they had it in them.

Game shouldn't have been so suspenseful, since they should've kicked the FG earlier instead of trying to fake it and score a TD.

Great game, great ending.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the fact that VPI scheduled James Madison as an early season joke game to pad their stats.. And now it turns out that loss keeps them 15th in the BCS. Sorry Hokie lovers but, its true.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 3, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the fact that VPI scheduled James Madison as an early season joke game to pad their stats.. And now it turns out that loss keeps them 15th in the BCS. Sorry Hokie lovers but, its true.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 3, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 8:23 PM

I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Dude, this is Smokey. Look, I don't wanna be a h a r d on about this, and I know it wasn't your fault, but I just thought it was fair to tell you that Gene and I will be submitting this to the League and asking them to set aside the round. Or maybe forfeit it to us--
sh*t!
--so, like I say, just thought, you know, fair warning. Tell Walter.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the JMU/Turkey College game has an even better twist than that.

JMU was supposed to play Richmond that week. Then UVa came along and offered Richmond more money to play in Charlottesville that week, and Richmond accepted. This left JMU with an open slot on their schedule, so they asked Turkey College if they wanted to play, and Turkey College accepted.

And the rest is history.

Gobble gobble.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you sir. It was a great ending....but alas- I'd trade it all for a victory on Sunday.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal. Which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 3, 2010 10:13 PM

As an art lover and artist, I have never been bothered by art that is vaginally reminiscent. In fact, I am usually quite attracted to it. It is a funny word though.

Just don't see DT suceeding with the VaGiants. I'm not sure how many mis-run routes and/or dropped balls it would take before Eli stops even looking in his direction, but I bet it wouldn't be a lot.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 3, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

F the Ginas

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

A lot of good posters have moved on for whatever reason -- pdiddy, moodleymoodleymoo, Redcoat. Others, like ChrisLarrY, dcsween, RedDMV, learnedhand have reduced their presence. And a lot of the newer, more vocal posters are, well, "different."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 3, 2010 4:44 PM |

All of them duds are dickwads. If they have moved on, good. If they have "reduced their presence" then reduce it to 0, please. The same goes for you, darling.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Well hello to you too FrancoBegbie!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 3, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I see the king assbag has returned. Hey Franco, go SJK yourself you colossal d0uche muncher.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

hey all just wanna say HTTR!

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else watching the MAC Championship game? Close one so far. N. Illinois is up by 1 point, should be up by 2 TDs.

I don't know if Miami can hang with them the whole game, though. Their secondary has gotten torched pretty badly so far. If not for a flat out drop and an underthrown ball, it's 28-13.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 3, 2010 8:13 PM |

Jesus, buddy. Your life must be pretty miserable if you get your jollies on Fri night watching MAC FB. Hope your fambly is keeping sharp objects out of your reach.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

And hail to you skinswillwin! Love the enthusiasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, buddy. Your life must be pretty miserable if you get your jollies on Fri night watching MAC FB. Hope your fambly is keeping sharp objects out of your reach.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM

...and you get yours taking pot shots at people on a blog. The patheticness of your life is unmatched. I'm surprised you haven't hung yourself from the nearest lightpost. I'm sure there's plenty around your park bench ans underpass.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

And hail to you skinswillwin! Love the enthusiasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

TY! i know this team is a "work" in progress.

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 10:58 PM |

Ditto you too sweetie pie, although I don't recall any mention of your screen ID. How could that be? The F Scott F/Ernie Hemingway of bloggers! I'll bet the "s" stands for S, doesn't it, as in F Scott F. Never too many Fs for a dud like you!

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

The blog is same as it ever was, nate is right, for a core community to stay this active is slightly remarkable. My excuse is life is mutha-humping busy so less posting.

i do think the cast of characters have shrunk, but most still pop in and out.

also well, skins are kinda depressing...but i still love'em.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 3, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Ditto you too sweetie pie, although I don't recall any mention of your screen ID. How could that be? The F Scott F/Ernie Hemingway of bloggers! I'll bet the "s" stands for S, doesn't it, as in F Scott F. Never too many Fs for a dud like you!

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:11 PM |

Pretty weak chica. Go back to your tea party Polly Prissy Pants. You can't hang, you just sit back licking sacks like your daddy taught you. What a SJKing d0uche.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, buddy. Your life must be pretty miserable if you get your jollies on Fri night watching MAC FB. Hope your fambly is keeping sharp objects out of your reach.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

So where should i start with this, lol, fracco, u have the iq of a turtle with the grammer of my lab. Honestly, dont post here anymore...

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, buddy. Your life must be pretty miserable if you get your jollies on Fri night watching MAC FB. Hope your fambly is keeping sharp objects out of your reach.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

So where should i start with this, lol, fracco, u have the iq of a turtle with the grammer of my lab. Honestly, dont post here anymore...

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Huh. Here we were having a rather pleasant Friday night kumbayah moment round the campfire and it all went to crap. Ah, well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

One weekly constant:

Too conservative on Offense = lack of pts
Too passive on Defense = 32nd ranked D

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 3, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Huh. Here we were having a rather pleasant Friday night kumbayah moment round the campfire and it all went to crap. Ah, well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 11:24 PM |

I couldn't help but heckle the heckler. It's a weakness.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Huh. Here we were having a rather pleasant Friday night kumbayah moment round the campfire and it all went to crap. Ah, well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2010 11:24 PM |

I couldn't help but heckle the heckler. It's a weakness.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Pretty weak chica. Go back to your tea party Polly Prissy Pants. You can't hang, you just sit back licking sacks like your daddy taught you. What a SJKing d0uche.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:14 PM |

Weak? Jesus. Weak is that tard retort of yours. Scott, dude, if you want to be F Scott F you have to aspire to something better than 11 yr old playground banter.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Weak? Jesus. Weak is that tard retort of yours. Scott, dude, if you want to be F Scott F you have to aspire to something better than 11 yr old playground banter.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:28 PM |

Wow girl, you're on a roll. Keep 'em comin' because we're all in stitches on here. Your keen intellect is stunning. Tool.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Weak? Jesus. Weak is that tard retort of yours. Scott, dude, if you want to be F Scott F you have to aspire to something better than 11 yr old playground banter.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

why not resond to me ur f'n loser?...oh

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, dont post here anymore...

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:18 PM |

Hah! That stopped in my tracks!

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

LOL Well hope u keep digging in the trash cans, cuz ur post have been...

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:32 PM |

Scott had an unhappy childhood. He wet his pants a lot, the way Sarah Siverman wet the bed. RI gives him the chance to unleash all the pent up frustration, anxiety and self hatred that the shrink couldn't tap into.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

So u wanna attack scamp, let us understand this... frran..frac or who ever let us understand you, why attack him?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

FrancoBegbie does not know how to relate to his fellow man. He sits at home masturbating into piles of his own feces while building up self hatred and loathing until he can no longer contain it. At this point he makes his return to the electronic halls of RI and unleashes his attacks against the nameless and faceless masses that he imagines "trained" his mother when he was young.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins. They are my favorite team. It doesn't matter if they are doing great...or not so well. I will always love the Redskins.

Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 3, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

So u wanna attack scamp, let us understand this... frran..frac or who ever let us understand you, why attack him?


Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:43 PM |

Oh I asked for it. He came up here to sling insults at everyone he can (like he always does.) But he got a taste of his own medicine and now he can't back down.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Prediction Friday.

My prediction for Sunday...Pain

The Ginas OL and DL are there biggest strengths and our biggest weakness. Even with all the injuries to the Gina's WR corps this could get ugly.

Hopefully DT plays, that would help us.

I can't pick against the Skins...

Skins 13
Ginas 10

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 3, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins. They are my favorite team. It doesn't matter if they are doing great...or not so well. I will always love the Redskins.

Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 3, 2010 11:45 PM |

...and that's why we love you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

i just wanna talk football guys:)

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 3, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the rest of this year needs to be about evaluation of youngsters and perfecting the new schemes...win or lose. Of course I would prefer to win.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 3, 2010 11:44 PM |

Essentially the same lame retort repeated 3 times. Although the third one was a slight improvement over the others, having copped (a) the term "self hatred" and (b) the idea that RI can be a form of "release" for wretched from my last post. Best call it a night, Scotty boy.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins. They are my favorite team. It doesn't matter if they are doing great...or not so well. I will always love the Redskins.

Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 3, 2010 11:45 PM |

A+ play

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Ho hum (yawn).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins. They are my favorite team. It doesn't matter if they are doing great...or not so well. I will always love the Redskins.

Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 3, 2010 11:45 PM |

Good post PA. You are a true fan. You stick with the team through thick and thin. How's MA doing? I have been meaning to write but you know how it is... Say Hi from me. Cheers.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 4, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Why not give it up, u will not win?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Why not give it up, u will not win?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Haha...thanks scamp...that was my best iH8 impression to try and lighten up the blog tonight.

(please don't let beep know I was here after my 4pm curfew...and without my sock puppets)

Washington Redskins 24
New York Football Giants, Inc. 20

Have a great weekend peeps!

Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 4, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 3, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Why not give it up, u will not win?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:05 AM |

He actually already lost when I proved that I could write his own post better than him. He just doesn't know it...or get it. So now the he is pwned he is ITA'd.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

BTW...masturbating into piles of your own feces is for NERDs!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 4, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Haha...thanks scamp...that was my best iH8 impression to try and lighten up the blog tonight.

(please don't let beep know I was here after my 4pm curfew...and without my sock puppets)


Posted by: PlayAction | December 4, 2010 12:06 AM |

Lol!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie

So after thoughts on ur IQ, I think u could maybe understand what I am talking about...dunnu tho

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I took calc-3

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

gnite RI time for me to get some sleep

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

He actually already lost when I proved that...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:07 AM |

Dude - about the only thang you proved was that (a) you are a copy cat (by your own admit FCS) and (b) you know how to use MistahMoe logic.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 4, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Dude - about the only thang you proved was that (a) you are a copy cat (by your own admit FCS) and (b) you know how to use MistahMoe logic.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 4, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

so why not challenge me u effin loser?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I took calc-3

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:15 AM

I am an architecture graduate from Georgia Tech. Calc 3 you say? I know it well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Dude - about the only thang you proved was that (a) you are a copy cat (by your own admit FCS) and (b) you know how to use MistahMoe logic.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | December 4, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

so why not challenge me u effin loser?

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

This dude is soo chia_pet

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I took calc-3

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:15 AM

I am an architecture graduate from Georgia Tech. Calc 3 you say? I know it well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

nice man i took it at Maryland, dam proff wrote the damm book..!

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

*sniff*

Frenchy Buzby hurt my feelings.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 4, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

gnite all HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

nice man i took it at Maryland, dam proff wrote the damm book..!


Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:33 AM |

Nice little racket for him huh? Not only does he get paid because you are taking his class, he gets paid because he requires you to buy his book. I had a Psych teacher when I was getting my second degree(business) that did that. He added a little and changed a little every year so you couldn't sell your book to the next class or buy one from the previous class.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 4, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

This dude is soo chia_pet

Posted by: skinswillwin | December 4, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

His attempts at humor and general demeanor indicate P_F and or N_P_I

More information to follow....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 4, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

I had a really detailed dream last night about the this game. Buchanon picked off Eli with 26 seconds left, Skins down by 4, 26-30, on the 30 yard line. Next play was a crossing route to Banks for the score with .18 left on the clock.

I woke up thinking we scored too soon. Go figure.

Skins 33
Gints 30

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 4, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I had a really detailed dream last night about the this game. Buchanon picked off Eli with 26 seconds left, Skins down by 4, 26-30, on the 30 yard line. Next play was a crossing route to Banks for the score with .18 left on the clock.

I woke up thinking we scored too soon. Go figure.

Skins 33
Gints 30

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 4, 2010 8:33 AM

You were drinking before you went to bed, weren't you? Any dream that ends with the 'Skins winning is a wet dream.

Giants 31
Skins 10

Posted by: beep-beep | December 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

the Redskins have listed 14 players as questionable for Sunday's game at the New York Giants.


The pattering of giggling you hear is coming from the locker room of the New Year Giants.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 4, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

the Redskins have listed 14 players as questionable for Sunday's game at the New York Giants.


The pattering of giggling you hear is coming from the locker room of the New Year Giants.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 4, 2010 9:10 AM

And the giggling isn't just about the 14 on the list. Some of the ones not on the list are a lot more questionable than these guys. Just in different ways.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 4, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Eli Manning is such a slack-jawed yokel.

I hope Orakpo gives him a concussion.

Prediction:
I won't give one this week because I've been on a cold streak; but the Redskins stay in the playoff race...and boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 4, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Having 14 players on the injury list doesn't mean as much as other teams' lists. Shanny will list you as questionable if you've got a papar cut.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

In an effort to improve the overall vibe of the blog I submit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cNHCP3juQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: mack1 | December 4, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I have nothing to say. Zeke's second-guessing Shanahan piece shut me up. Now I don't even want to watch the game on Sunday.

Cheers Zeke! (it really is excellent work by the way)

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 4, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I had to take the giants and lay the 7 in our office competition. I win either way. Lavar said it, I buy it, the giants come into this game fully expecting to win. Unlike like the skins, hoping they can steal one. Its been that way for years. I know this is dated but if I recall correctly Ken Harvey said the same about the Cards when they will still in the east. And that was coming from a crappy cardinal team vs a 50/50 skins team competing for the playoffs in the waining years of Norv. When your down the rest of the NFL see's your game as a chance to pad their record. Anyhow - the only chance the skins have will be if the giants are overconfident and press themselves into mistakes, believing they should be spanking the skins and get panicked if its not over during the 3rd quarter.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 4, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Cheers Zeke! (it really is excellent work by the way)

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 4, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I suspect others like myself thoroughly enjoy reading your perspectives every week, Zeke, but don't comment on them enough.

We know there'll be another excellent piece next week.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 4, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You were drinking before you went to bed, weren't you? Any dream that ends with the 'Skins winning is a wet dream.

Giants 31
Skins 10

Posted by: beep-beep | December 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Damn beep, I have the redskins scoring over 30 points because my subconscious made it up while I was sleeping. My rational brain has us scoring more than 10 though.

I prefer to think of it as a premonition. A Redskins win has been foretold.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 4, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Damn beep, I have the redskins scoring over 30 points because my subconscious made it up while I was sleeping. My rational brain has us scoring more than 10 though.

I prefer to think of it as a premonition. A Redskins win has been foretold.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 4, 2010 12:29 PM

Romo -- It was a wet dream. There was no blood in your brain, rational or otherwise. The blood was needed somewhere else. A man up a hard doesn't think straight.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 4, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the late night blog is way past getting wierd. Angry sock puppets, indescriminate flame throwers and malcontented trouble makers. Glad I can sleep at night. Hoping for a good day tomorrow, the midgettes are a little beat up. Hope we can somehow avoid their pass rush, maybe some rollouts and screens and stuff. Perhaps a shovel pass or two. Would be nice to get back to .500. HTTR

Posted by: wireman65 | December 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Damn beep, I have the redskins scoring over 30 points because my subconscious made it up while I was sleeping.

Hope not, seems if we score more than 20, we loose. Strange but true.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 4, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Zeke always has well-written and thoughtful perspectives, however I'm definitely inclined to disagree with this one.

It truly baffles me how quickly fans turn on management in this area. Not even a season into his tenure of taking over a 4-12 team and people are calling for Shanahan to be fired as a coach, as an exec, or as both? Truly baffled. It's as if DC wants the 2000 Dan Snyder back in his office.

I think Shanahan has done a great job with this team thus far. Has he been perfect? Far from it. Clearly he has issues with dealing with the public/media, but his football prowess is still prime around the NFL.

Shanahan has very quietly turned an "old" team into an extremely young one in the midst of a full-rebuild and 180 degree transition from both the offensive and defensive schematics. Don't believe me? Take a look at the offensive lineup slated for Sunday:

D. McNabb - 34
R. Torain - 24
K. Williams - 24
J. Davis - 24
A. Brown - 24
M. Sellers - 35
D. Young - 23
C. Cooley - 28
F. Davis - 24
L. Paulsen - 23
S. Moss - 31
A. Armstrong - 27
T. Austin - 22
B. Banks - 22
R. Williams - 29
T. Williams - 22
K. Liechtensteiger - 25
C. Rabach - 33
W. Montgomery - 27
J. Brown - 29
S. Heyer - 26
A. Hicks - 32
D. Dockery - 30
R. Grossman - 30
J. Beck - 29

That's our offense. 25 players. 17 under the age of thirty. 11 age twenty-five or younger. Only FIVE player older than thirty.

This is a very young offense. By far. Is it struggling? For sure. Part of that has to do with McNabb, who actually is my only really big criticism of Shanahan thus far.

McNabb is not what we thought we were getting when he pulled the trigger on that trade. He has done very little to inspire confidence that he is worth the supposed contract extension (which was ingeniously laid out by Bruce Allen, by the way). I don't know if injuries over the years are taking their toll on him, the team's performance is taking a toll on him, the media/fanbase is, or everything combined; all I know is that he is not playing to the expectation of future HOF QB. This was a major mistake of Shanahan (at least it's looking like it); trading away two nice draft picks for what looks to be a mediocre QB getting older, less mobile, and less accurate.

But enough with McNabb, let's get back onto topic. As much as people are fixated on the short-term results of the past couple of weeks, this team is heading squarely in the right direction. Shanahan is using this season to figure out who will belong here for the long haul and who will not. As a continued piece, I'll list the prospects of the future that Shanahan is building toward..

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Saw a draft website that has the skins taking the right tackle from Wisconsin in the first and the running back from Illinois in the second. That would be ok with me. Any thoughts nation?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

the late night blog is way past getting wierd. Angry sock puppets, indiscriminate flame throwers and malcontented trouble makers


But it's late Friday night posting.

I'd rather they display their immaturity here than in some sleazy, loud bar where they may get kncoked the F out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"As a continued piece, I'll list the prospects of the future that Shanahan is building toward..

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse"

I was going to follow-up my post with another response, but I got bored. Eh, it's Saturday.

In short: calm down people. It's a rebuilding year. This team is very young (despite all your incorrect assumptions to the contrary). There will be bad games and there will be good ones. That's what young teams do. Stop focusing on the minutia of week-to-week games, start focusing on the development of future players like Banks, Austin, Torain, Cooley/Davis, Trent Williams, Keiland Williams, Montgomery, and Liechtensteiger (yes, Liechtensteiger).

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

In short: calm down people. It's a rebuilding year. This team is very young (despite all your incorrect assumptions to the contrary). There will be bad games and there will be good ones. That's what young teams do. Stop focusing on the minutia of week-to-week games, start focusing on the development of future players like Banks, Austin, Torain, Cooley/Davis, Trent Williams, Keiland Williams, Montgomery, and Liechtensteiger (yes, Liechtensteiger).

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Amen, Man!!!

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | December 4, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Saw a draft website that has the skins taking the right tackle from Wisconsin in the first and the running back from Illinois in the second. That would be ok with me. Any thoughts nation?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 4, 2010 1:24 PM

You're referring to Gabe Carimi and Mikel Leshoure.

If we're drafting inside of the top 10 and we can't trade back then Carimi would be a reach. You can't draft a RT that high and his size 6'8 330 might not fit with the zone scheme.

I'm hoping we can trade back and trade our top 10 pick for a late 1st and 2nd. Then we could go C/OG (Pouncey/Wisnewski), NT Jerrell Powe, and then OG Rodney Hudson.

If we can't trade back then you would have to take an impact player with a top 10 pick. Possibly QB Mallett, WR Julio Jones, or an OLB to pair with Orakpo like Robert Quinn from UNC.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"As a continued piece, I'll list the prospects of the future that Shanahan is building toward..

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse"

I was going to follow-up my post with another response, but I got bored. Eh, it's Saturday.

In short: calm down people. It's a rebuilding year. This team is very young (despite all your incorrect assumptions to the contrary). There will be bad games and there will be good ones. That's what young teams do. Stop focusing on the minutia of week-to-week games, start focusing on the development of future players like Banks, Austin, Torain, Cooley/Davis, Trent Williams, Keiland Williams, Montgomery, and Liechtensteiger (yes, Liechtensteiger).

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

First of all, props to Zeke for all of his perspectives. Agree with some, disagree with others, but I always find them interesting.

I agree with you on most of your response, psps, but I disagree with your thoughts on DMac. He is a huge improvement at QB, and as a leader. Stats are disappointing, but when we put an improved OL in front of him, he will once again look like a future HOFer.

Shanny has done a lot of good, but he was starting with an older roster with lots of holes, and few young "up-and-comers". Maybe only BSacko and LL would fit in that mold. And free agency last off-season was almost non-existent.

Skins have made a start, but there are still holes to be filled. Shanny has used this season to look at what he has, and I for one am still going to give him the benefit of the doubt. We may win 6-8 games this year(8-8 was about all we could have hoped for). Next year will see a much stronger younger roster. Progress is the goal. Let's keep getting better.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

In short: calm down people. It's a rebuilding year. This team is very young (despite all your incorrect assumptions to the contrary). There will be bad games and there will be good ones. That's what young teams do. Stop focusing on the minutia of week-to-week games, start focusing on the development of future players like Banks, Austin, Torain, Cooley/Davis, Trent Williams, Keiland Williams, Montgomery, and Liechtensteiger (yes, Liechtensteiger).

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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With the exception of T.Williams Cooley and Davis everyone else you listed is a complete BUM. That Little mouse Banks is just one hit away from being out of the league. Torrain!? If you think Portis has too many injuries and needs to go... then this guy won't ever get started. Austin?? Really? c'mon. K.Williams didn't even start at the previous level so lets just move on. Last.... Lichtenbum!!??? LMFAO!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

dies....

Great post!!!! If we could trade to get those 3 guys I think our turnaround and our future would be much brighter!!!!

Hudson, wiesnewski, pouncey or powe

If we land 3 of those 4 everyone will be calling shanny the man again!!!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 4, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

dies....

Great post!!!! If we could trade to get those 3 guys I think our turnaround and our future would be much brighter!!!!

Hudson, wiesnewski, pouncey or powe

If we land 3 of those 4 everyone will be calling shanny the man again!!!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yay Lebron James

and

Yay Elin Woods

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You're referring to Gabe Carimi and Mikel Leshoure.

If we're drafting inside of the top 10 and we can't trade back then Carimi would be a reach. You can't draft a RT that high and his size 6'8 330 might not fit with the zone scheme.

I'm hoping we can trade back and trade our top 10 pick for a late 1st and 2nd. Then we could go C/OG (Pouncey/Wisnewski), NT Jerrell Powe, and then OG Rodney Hudson.

If we can't trade back then you would have to take an impact player with a top 10 pick. Possibly QB Mallett, WR Julio Jones, or an OLB to pair with Orakpo like Robert Quinn from UNC.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, Diesel, about trading back, if it's possible. Problem is that not too many teams want to do it. Only if there is a special player who has fallen, and another team just behind us is likely to take him.

While it's way too early to think about the draft, I think our priorities in the 1 and 2 slots should be great athletes on either OL or DL/LB. The game is still won or lost in the trenches. Only change would be if Shanny has fallen in love with a QB prospect. We can get RB's later in the draft.

But we still have 5 games remaining, and a very strong field of free agents to deal with before we think draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

But we still have 5 games remaining, and a very strong field of free agents to deal with before we think draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

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Solid point. I have no problem with the Skins going and getting a Veteran so long as we don't give up anymore draft picks!! No more trades unless we are getting picks for someone we dump. You need young guys in this league for sure, but you have to be careful not to field a team that's too green.

Posted by: skins91r | December 4, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Free agent pick ups, OL, DL, WR, DB

Draft OL/WR, OL with top two picks

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 4, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How come every single article I read on the new labor agreement negotiations offers no specific info on what's holding up the deal?

Ultimately the players have their peers to thank.

How many Free Agents have burned their teams by sucking after receiving mad guap?

+ NFL fans want to treat veterans like the new generation wants to treat senior citizens. Once used to a pulp, discard the trash and forget about and not reward their earlier contributions.

Clinton Portis and his contract is the perfect example. Amazing that fans hate on him and get mad at his contract. As if they'd rather Dan $nyder to have the money.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yay Lebron James

and

Yay Elin Woods

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 2:26 PM

Sock puppet alert:

MimiAnsari = Chia_Pet hoping to stir something up

Posted by: beep-beep | December 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

A lot of good posters have moved on for whatever reason -- pdiddy, moodleymoodleymoo, Redcoat. Others, like ChrisLarrY, dcsween, RedDMV, learnedhand have reduced their presence. And a lot of the newer, more vocal posters are, well, "different."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 3, 2010 4:44 PM |

RI has cleaned up the blog so a lot of the "bodily function" types (like Rednutz above) are gone or defanged, which is a definite improvement.

Posted by: SonOfStan | December 4, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person in the world who likes Lebron James and Elin Woods?

What or who exactly am I trying to stir Beep?

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone out there still have faith that maybe our beloved Redskins may pull out an upset Sunday? After all we seem to beat teams that are good and lose to teams that under .500..... Just sayin.

Posted by: skins91r | December 4, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

... and a very strong field of free agents to deal with before we think draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:27 PM |

Don't know how this FA stuff is going to work out. When the CBA expired a lot of FAs-to-be got jammed up. There is still no CBA as far as I know so what will be the relevant cap rules if and when one is signed and how will it impact 2011 FA spending? The NFL talks about the need to tamp down labor costs which can't be good news for teams that want to spend a lot of $$$ on FAs.

Posted by: SonOfStan | December 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

How come every single article I read on the new labor agreement negotiations offers no specific info on what's holding up the deal?

Ultimately the players have their peers to thank.

How many Free Agents have burned their teams by sucking after receiving mad guap?

+ NFL fans want to treat veterans like the new generation wants to treat senior citizens. Once used to a pulp, discard the trash and forget about and not reward their earlier contributions.

Clinton Portis and his contract is the perfect example. Amazing that fans hate on him and get mad at his contract. As if they'd rather Dan $nyder to have the money.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Lots of questions, Mimi. First of all, the negotiations are taking place behind closed doors. You might hear a one-sided comment about what's holding things up, but it's all about negotiating at this point. Progress comes slowly until right before the deadline.

Concerning CP, his contract was guaranteed through 2010. So there was no incentive to cut him before this year was over. Next year, for him to come back, he will have to agree to a much lower contract with plenty of incentives. I hope team can work it out with him, as he is still productive when he plays. But I wouldn't blame team for cutting him if he doesn't renegotiate. $8mill is too much for 6 or 8 games.

As far as your thoughts about NFL fans treating veterans like youth treat senior citizens, well...I'm a senior citizen. And I don't feel abused by the younger generation. NOt sure where you are going there, but NFL is a cruel business. If you cannot play any longer, it's time to get into some other line of work.

And as to the "mad guap", I'm totally baffled with that comment. That must be a term the younger generation is using to confuse "us ol' geezers".

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

While it's way too early to think about the draft, I think our priorities in the 1 and 2 slots should be great athletes on either OL or DL/LB. The game is still won or lost in the trenches. Only change would be if Shanny has fallen in love with a QB prospect. We can get RB's later in the draft.

But we still have 5 games remaining, and a very strong field of free agents to deal with before we think draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 2:27 PM

Our OL and DL are our greatest weaknesses and most glaring needs this offseason. I'd expect them to be very active in FA.

Some possibilities
OL
Ryan Kalil, C
Logan Mankins, OG
Jared Gaither, RT
Daryn Colledge, OG

DL/OLB
Tamba Hali OLB
Cliff Avril, OLB
Lamarr Woodley, OLB
Richard Seymour, 3-4 DE
Cullen Jenkins, 3-4 DE
Gabe Watson, NT
Alan Branch, NT
Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

skins91r,

Definitely not. as much as it pains me to say, fellow redskin fan.

The giants backups at WR and O-line will still somehow dominate our starters.

There WR's will catch the ball with room to run. Their running back will have room to run. Eli will have time to throw.

SIGH. I'm really sorry skins91r, but it just seems like this season if we are playing a team who is 30ranked on Defense, It's not an opportunity for our offense to get on track but rather their defence to move up the rankings.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how this FA stuff is going to work out. When the CBA expired a lot of FAs-to-be got jammed up. There is still no CBA as far as I know so what will be the relevant cap rules if and when one is signed and how will it impact 2011 FA spending? The NFL talks about the need to tamp down labor costs which can't be good news for teams that want to spend a lot of $$$ on FAs.

Posted by: SonOfStan | December 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No, of course, nobody knows how the negotiating will go between mgmt and union.

On the other hand, I can not believe that negotiations would break down and there would be no season in 2011. Too much money would be lost by both sides. Maybe I'm a "half-full" kind of guy, but I fully believe that there will be some kind of settlement. I expect there to be larger rosters, and an 18-game season. And I expect there to be a lot of strong FA's available. The bigger question is, what salary cap will there be, and who can we afford to pick up.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

fredie,

haha. I guess I was referring to the diminishing social security fund and how it's getting harder for seniors to retire.

and guap refers to cake/money.

Slang is ever changing to keep the pigs on their heels and create rhymes in songs that otherwise wouldn't make cents.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Re: What happened to the blog?

2 things.

First, it's December and we're talking about the Skins. You know what that means - meaningless games and everything that needs to be said about why the team is playing "spoiler" has been said...in five different ways...by everybody...twice.

Second, JReid's cut-n-paste-from-ESPN method - while less controversial and less dooshy than JLA's shoot-from-the-hip-assault-on-Redkins-management - is also less likely to stir the kind of vitriolic responses that JLA brought upon himself in order to get hits on the blog.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, about your draft ideas...

First, I personally do not think we will have a top 10 pick. I am expecting to finish at or near .500 which likely puts us mid-high teens.

But, IF we did have a top 10 pick, this may be a good year to have it and it may get easier to trade back with the new CBA. One thing almost everyone expects to happen is the adoption of a rookie salary scale like the NBA uses.

If this happens, those top picks become more valuable, and we could potentially pull off a trade back.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 4, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

DL/OLB
Tamba Hali OLB
Cliff Avril, OLB
Lamarr Woodley, OLB
Richard Seymour, 3-4 DE
Cullen Jenkins, 3-4 DE
Gabe Watson, NT
Alan Branch, NT
Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse


I say we make a big-time run at Haloti Ngata. No CBA means no franchise tag. I don't mind overspending on the position. More than anything we need a NT to make this 3-4 work.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Our OL and DL are our greatest weaknesses and most glaring needs this offseason. I'd expect them to be very active in FA.

Some possibilities
OL
Ryan Kalil, C 25
Logan Mankins, OG 28
Jared Gaither, RT 24
Daryn Colledge, OG 28

DL/OLB
Tamba Hali OLB 27
Cliff Avril, OLB 24
Lamarr Woodley, OLB 26
Richard Seymour, 3-4 DE 31
Cullen Jenkins, 3-4 DE 29
Gabe Watson, NT 27
Alan Branch, NT 25
Aubrayo Franklin, NT 30


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abu
I agree, Diesel. I really think we will sign at least 2 FA's for those positions.

Based on the strategy they used in 2010 FA, I see them trying to get value for their picks, rather than out-bidding everyone else, like DS/VC used to do.

I've added ages to your list above. I doubt that Woodley will be available(I think he re-signs with stillers), and I'm not sure Avril will be eligible, unless he is just released. Seymore and Franklin are already 30 or more. I think we want youth. But I'd have to take a good look at the rest of your list.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing Ngata's name being mentioned as a NT.

I guess I should set the record straight. Ngata plays DE for the Ravens. Always has and to actually think he would ever play for the Redskins is completely absurd.

I've heard some good ones here on RI, but this thinking that the Ravens are going to let him go or that he would actually leave the AFC for the NFC is growing dangerously close to taking the cake.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I say we make a big-time run at Haloti Ngata. No CBA means no franchise tag. I don't mind overspending on the position. More than anything we need a NT to make this 3-4 work.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Good thought, p1. I'd love to make a run at Ngata. He is a real stud NT.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I say we make a big-time run at Haloti Ngata. No CBA means no franchise tag. I don't mind overspending on the position. More than anything we need a NT to make this 3-4 work.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:18 PM

I can't imagine the Ravens let him get away. Could you imagine the media and the ridicule we would face if we spent 180 million on TWO DTs. Trade AH and sign Ngata, sure why not.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

DL/OLB
Tamba Hali OLB 27
Cliff Avril, OLB 24
Lamarr Woodley, OLB 26
Richard Seymour, 3-4 DE 31
Cullen Jenkins, 3-4 DE 29
Gabe Watson, NT 27
Alan Branch, NT 25
Aubrayo Franklin, NT 30


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abu

Great list. I noticed you did not include Ngata. Finally some sense.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing Ngata's name being mentioned as a NT.

I guess I should set the record straight. Ngata plays DE for the Ravens. Always has and to actually think he would ever play for the Redskins is completely absurd.

I've heard some good ones here on RI, but this thinking that the Ravens are going to let him go or that he would actually leave the AFC for the NFC is growing dangerously close to taking the cake.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

To set the record straight regarding setting the record straight.

Ngata has played both NT and DE/DT in Bmore. He has not "always" played DE. Kelly Gregg has missed some significant time with injury and Ngata has played NT for them. When Gregg is healthy/playing well, Ngata shifts over.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing Ngata's name being mentioned as a NT.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:25 PM

Kelly Gregg is their NT. Ngata plays DE. In the 3-4 all 3 DL are essentially former DTs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Ngata has played both NT and DE/DT in Bmore. He has not "always" played DE. Kelly Gregg has missed some significant time with injury and Ngata has played NT for them. When Gregg is healthy/playing well, Ngata shifts over.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:34 PM

If that's the case then I guess it's a good thing i haven't heard of him complaining about the position switch, the way we heard about Gaither wanting to remain a LT.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5882717

OH NO!!!

Another thing I've noticed in the negotiations is that it always seems like the "Players" union official D. Smith is the non optomistic one and the "NFL" negotiators are the positive ones.

Why does Smith always take such a grim approach everytime he's questioned about the labor agreement? Doesn't he want the NFL players to have work in 2011

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, no new RI articles this late in the day on the day before a game. Serious slackage from the WaPo sports guys.

I am expecting free agency to be abnormal again this year. Until a new CBA is reached, no one will know for sure what the salary cap situation will be. Also, I agree with Waiting Guilty that the owners will push for a rookie salary scale. The threat of a lockout shortened season would also affect how much teams would be willing to shell out for salaries next year.

ALL of those factors will affect how much cash teams can devote to the free agent market. Until they are settled, I can't picture teams making major deals.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What's scary about our need for offensive linemen is that Mike doesn't just want good offensive linemen. He wants good offensive linemen that fit his scheme and he'd rather play a lesser talent who fits his scheme.

Contrary to popular belief, I think our interior O-line has gotten worse than last year.

Kory L

Rabach2010

Current RG

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

That's weird. why can't we use the left carrot sign? they censored half my post...

Kory L is not as good as Dockery
(They both suck, but Dockery can at least hold ground)

Rabach2010 is not as good as Rabach2009. (Diminishing talent with time and age)

Losing Mike Williams really hurt. He was improving as he was continuing his comeback.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Couple other FAs of note

RB
Jamaal Charles: He's 24 and has averaged 6 YPC for his career. He also had above average hands.
Jerious Norwood: On IR with a knee injury since week 1. Will be fully healed and has avg 5.3 YPC for his career.
Deangelo Williams: He's 27 and is another guy with a high YPC avg (5.1). Panthers locked up Stewart.
Michael Bush: 27 and 6'1 240 and has low mileage.

WR
Sidney Rice: Only 24 and only 1 YR of production
Vincent Jackson: will be 28, has more DUIs than quality years.
Santonio Holmes: 26
Mike Sims-Walker: 26, 6'2 215
Jacoby Jones: 26, 6'2 215
James Jones: 26, 6'1

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

That was a gutless performance by the Cavaliers against the Heat.

Amazing people are mad at lebron james for leaving.

I can't stand the liars who say that they are not mad at him for leaving Cleveland, but that they are mad he did it on tv.

I know damn well if he had stayed in Cleveland, haters would not have cared that he did a decision show.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

psps -- first, I gotta pay attention cuz you gave my biggest thumping in FF this season.

I hear you on the 'youth' movement -- but it seems more accidental than planned. Many guys you mentioned were practice squad guys who could have been claimed by other teams. When I look at your list, I don't see many of those guys succeeding in key roles (starter or rotation) 3 year from now.

I am pleased we have a young blocking TE and a young blocking RB -- if they pan out, they could be useful pieces for the next 10 years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 3:34 PM

If that's the case then I guess it's a good thing i haven't heard of him complaining about the position switch, the way we heard about Gaither wanting to remain a LT.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse


He's not a complainer, he's a baller. But versatility like his on the Dline is an asset.

In Gaither's defense, he demands to play LT because stud LTs get paid much better in the NFL than RTs. Plus, when he's healthy, he's a stud LT.

Regarding Ngata, I imagine he's a top priority for Bmore to retain, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't make a run for him. Again, the franchise tag is up in there air since the CBA expires. Unlike AH, he's not an attitude risk and I'm sure he'll listen if the price is right so I wouldn't mind overpaying for him.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

one thing that scares me about over paying for him is that Baltimore seemingly loses great defensive players all the time and never miss a beat.

Some of their players are not as good as advertised and just benefitted by playing with Lewis and Reed:adalius thomas, ed hartwell and gary baxter to name a few.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 4, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Couple other FAs of note

RB
Jamaal Charles: He's 24 and has averaged 6 YPC for his career. He also had above average hands.
Jerious Norwood: On IR with a knee injury since week 1. Will be fully healed and has avg 5.3 YPC for his career.
Deangelo Williams: He's 27 and is another guy with a high YPC avg (5.1). Panthers locked up Stewart.
Michael Bush: 27 and 6'1 240 and has low mileage.

WR
Sidney Rice: Only 24 and only 1 YR of production
Vincent Jackson: will be 28, has more DUIs than quality years.
Santonio Holmes: 26
Mike Sims-Walker: 26, 6'2 215
Jacoby Jones: 26, 6'2 215
James Jones: 26, 6'1

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 4, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Another FA RB that interests me is Derrick Ward. He's killing it in the zone-blocking scheme that Houston runs - avergaing 6ypc and has 3TDs on only 38 carries. He's definitely not gonna want to backup Arian Foster moving forward.

He's 30, but really low mileage (about 600 career touches compared to 2500 for CP), and has been a 1000 yard back in the league. He knows the NFC East and by all accounts is a good mature lockerroom guy.

Could be a good lower-cost high-yield pickup to anchor our RB platoon.

At WR, I'm pretty smitten with Justin Blackmon. If we are drafting around #10- low teens and he falls there, I say grab him. I know we need interior linemen, but I don't think we get value for a pick with an interior lineman if we are drafting around 10-13, if there's a guy with all the trappings for being a bonafide #1 WR.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Couple other FAs of note

RB
Jamaal Charles: He's 24 and has averaged 6 YPC for his career. He also had above average hands.
Jerious Norwood: On IR with a knee injury since week 1. Will be fully healed and has avg 5.3 YPC for his career.
Deangelo Williams: He's 27 and is another guy with a high YPC avg (5.1). Panthers locked up Stewart.
Michael Bush: 27 and 6'1 240 and has low mileage.

WR
Sidney Rice: Only 24 and only 1 YR of production
Vincent Jackson: will be 28, has more DUIs than quality years.
Santonio Holmes: 26
Mike Sims-Walker: 26, 6'2 215
Jacoby Jones: 26, 6'2 215
James Jones: 26, 6'1

Posted by: Diesel44

Charles is the real deal. Norwood, as dangerous as he is, always gets hurt. I like DeAngelo and Michael Bush.

That WR group is pretty impressive. Jacoby Jones is the only guy I'd strongly question -- he has all the pieces around him to succeed -- and hasn't. The rest of the guys are all talented and been productive. Even though some have issues, I'd be good with any of them at a fair price.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

WR
Sidney Rice: Only 24 and only 1 YR of production
Vincent Jackson: will be 28, has more DUIs than quality years.
Santonio Holmes: 26
Mike Sims-Walker: 26, 6'2 215
Jacoby Jones: 26, 6'2 215
James Jones: 26, 6'1

Posted by: Diesel44

That WR group is pretty impressive. Jacoby Jones is the only guy I'd strongly question -- he has all the pieces around him to succeed -- and hasn't. The rest of the guys are all talented and been productive. Even though some have issues, I'd be good with any of them at a fair price.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse


I don't see Sidney, Santonio or James Jones going anywhere. Their teams will pay them.

VJax for the right price, though he's overrated, IMO.

MSM and Jacoby Jones have done total disappearing acts this season. Doesn't bode well for an FA offseason.

Posted by: p1funk | December 4, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Eric Bieniemy is leaving the Minnesota Vikings to become the offensive coordinator at the University of Colorado.

The running backs coach for the Vikings, who also holds the title of assistant head coach, is rejoining the college program he starred in, and he will serve under new head coach Jon Embree. Bieniemy will finish out the season with the Vikings, according to Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Bieniemy had interviewed for the head-coaching position.

The Vikings gave Bieniemy the additional title a year ago when Lane Kiffin tried to lure him to Southern Cal. Bieniemy became the Buffaloes’ all-time leading rusher from 1987-90, and was a main cog on the national championship team. He began his coaching career at Colorado from 2001 to 2002 before going to UCLA and then joining Brad Childress’ first staff in Minnesota.

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