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Golston SIgns With Redskins

Defensive lineman Kedric Golston signed his tender offer, according to a Redskins official. Golston and defensive lineman Anthony Montgomery are expected to be the primary backups for Albert Haynesworth and Cornelius Griffin.

By Jason Reid  |  April 10, 2009; 2:00 PM ET
 
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Good news. Golston was better than Griffin last year, I'd expect a 3 man rotation in any case

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

They've got to be thinking of using Haynesworth at end, like Reggie White switched over to. I remember White single handedly destroying half the Hogs line when he were an Eagle. Destroy, Albert, Destroy!!

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

WOOLYBOOGER!

Posted by: tripz | April 10, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Of all the players who benefit from Albert, I'd expect Golston and Fletcher to get the most benefit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Good news. Golston was better than Griffin last year, I'd expect a 3 man rotation in any case

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009>

Not yet he's still developing ... Scouts rates Montgomery at a 60 and Golston at a 58. Montgomery has the tools to go much further ... but Golston has the motor.

Perhaps we all forget that Haynesworth's coach in Tennessee liked to put him in at Defensive End sometimes more than tackle. One can see Montgomery playing LDE as well. I think you may see a rotation across all the positions ... with Rob Jackson playing understudy to Andre Carter at RDE now that Wilson may be moving to OLB.

Blache may also attempt to implement a hybrid 4-3/3-4 scheme that they've been using in Arizona because he didn't have the players to run a true 3-4 and didn't want to create havoc by implementing an instant conversion.

We'll have to see how Blache chooses to use Haynesworth talents.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe wrote that with so many OL available in the draft, you could take a OLB at 13 and still pick up quality OL.

Normally, I'd be inclined to agree except the Skins' don't have a 2nd round pick, because of the JT deal. Since they would have to wait into the 3rd round they should either take a great prospect (Oher, Monroe, Smith -- not the fat one --) or trade down and draft a couple of guys with lots of upside. Then hope that one or both can make the transition to the NFL.

I'm much more sanguine about the prospect of picking up a decent late round or undrafted rookie at OLB, that can step in and play well surrounded by talent and a good scheme. See Chris Horton, for example. Not so much at OL.

(BTW, have you seen that all the Dancing With The Stars celebrities are getting injured? Was JT a harbinger of doom for DWTS?)

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Happy Easter All...

Glad to hear Golston signed up now let's hope Washington comes back in the fold...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the defense is coming along great.

Now let's draft some offensive linemen!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 10, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually we're looking to move down and have someone that wants Sanchez move up into our spot.

The problem is the 2 interested teams dont have anything great to offer (Minnesota and TB)....

I guess if we're desperate we could take Minnesota's 1st and 2nd but theyre 2nd is so low (54) its a bad value for us to drop from 13 to 22 unless they throw in something else.

Posted by: mac2j *******

maybe Minnesota would like to have Jason Campbell?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 10, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

If MWash comes back, then I think we should draft two Olinemen with our first 2 picks. That would give us young depth and/or a starter.

Even though we can use a DE or OLB, I think we should focus on the Oline. Next year Dline. Then pick up an Olineman and a Dlineman every year after that.

Posted by: moosepod | April 10, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

weren't you arguing we should do this earlier? I agree we shouldn't but..

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 10, 2009 1:58 PM

What I said is that if (and for this FO it's a big IF) the Skins can take advantage of one of the teams that want to get out of their pick (#2 or 3) because they do not want to pay that pick the money it would command then we should look at Curry. But not at the expense of any 2009 picks. But like I stated today, it would have to be with a desperate trading partner.

Unfortunately, like the Cutler almost trade, the Skins do not have the currency to make that trade happen.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much all I saw from Albert was at DT, so I don't know how good he was at DE. Put him where he is best and leave him there.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Skins try to move Carter to OLB to cover that void. Carter left SF because he was an OLB there and wanted to be a pass rusher. OK. Now the experiment is over and its clear that Carter is nothing special as a DE.

So move him. He's got a good motor, tackles pretty well and stays healthy. He's fast enough, he just doesn't beat blocks well. Maybe he'll fare better in space playing behind a guy who eats blockers .... Albert

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

'...Golston Signs With Redskins...'

Dang, there goes that second rounder!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's a dream: Sanchez falls to 13. Somebody gives us a later number 1 and a number 2 because they're dying for that QB.

We draft Alex Mack with our late 1st, and an LB like Sintim or such as with our 2nd round pick.

(Heck, maybe we even use our late 2nd and our 3rd to move up to where we can get a good LB in the 2nd...I realize some think Sintim isn't going to be good in coverage.)

Considering where we started from, this would be pretty good: getting the future answer at center for a decade (not to mention a guy who can play guard for us right away), along with a solid LB prospect .
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

'...If MWash comes back...'

'...let's hope Washington comes back...'


Let's hope Rey Maualga is wearing #53 next season.

I can't see why folks want M Washington to return: I mean, how does a team miss an older player who was hurt much of his last two years with the team?

Slug C Wilson into the slb spot, give him very few responsibilities, and let's see what we have in him as a player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Good signing.. given Albert's nickname of "two play".

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/reid-weighs-in-on-redskins-sig.html

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 10, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think Gholston will be starting by the end of the year, due to Griffin not holding up...I think he will do pretty good, same with Monty.

I would love to see them throw Haynesworth at DE, then have Gholston, Monty and A. Carter across the line...that would be nice in a passing situation.

Hail Skins!

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 10, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

'...Sounds like the defense is coming along great...'


It sure is.

I'd like to snag a big corner at some point.

The one advantage Shawn Springs provided was he had the kind of size that eased covering the bigger (6'2" or taller) receivers in the game.

Macho Harris is at around 6 feet and is a sound special teams player. He'd be nice to add in if Hall, Smoot, Rogers went down with an injury.

But alas, without the picks, and with so many other needs,......

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

thund, like the trade back, but I don't like the pick of Mack. While he's a good player, center is not as much of a need as tackle. I'd rather take Loadholt, and move him to RT, and then pick up Duke Robinson in the second. Robinson replaces Thomas next year, and boom, you have 700 pounds on the right side of the line.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe, I agree, I dont think we need MWash and he was a bum for two years for us, not interested in him now even at a reduced rate...I would rather have D. Brooks for one year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

3rd and 2, we got a line of 4 DT's with a blitzing Carter between Goldy and big Al.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Late round sleepers at WalterFootball.

I like reading stuff like this.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse


We have a real chance of dominating on one side of the ball.

draft Rey Maualga

he is a beast and an impact player.

Marcus Washington is allowing his ego to rule his reason. He is NOT the player he was 2-3 years ago.

focus on Kary Campbell

he can play Special Teams and was a leader of that group.

Bottom line...

DOMINATE one side of the ball

Defense

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Mista -- the big WRs all left. plax and to both shot themselves in the foot. One metaphorically, the other literally.

This means Springs won't be missed as much.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

check this out:

NYTIMES.COM/SPORTS

What would happen if the Detroit Lions passed on their pick? If they just sat there slackjawed as the clock ran out.

It’s a serious suggestion. Given the financial commitment inherent in making the No. 1 pick and the lack of a clear-cut best player, the Lions should consider letting the clock strike zero and let the Rams make the first selection. Maybe even let the Chiefs slide in there too, before making a pick at three or four.

The money paid to the top five rookies has gotten so steep that this approach could be a legitimate option for a team.

Basically, a team that passes still holds the right to submit its pick at any time, constrained only by the ability of other teams to beat them to the punch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

DOMINATE one side of the ball

Defense

Posted by: skinsbacker

agreed -- so move up and get Curry :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Erasmus James, is he another overhyped loser that couldn't cut in the Big League?

Posted by: blackhills1 | April 10, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Basically, a team that passes still holds the right to submit its pick at any time, constrained only by the ability of other teams to beat them to the punch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Who would Roger Goodell suspend if this actually took place?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

saw that comment on letting the clock run out a couple weeks back. Its an interesting thought. Its also why the CBA needs to be changed. Too high a risk in picking #1. The last thing the Lions need is another Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf or Heath Shuler

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty much all I saw from Albert was at DT, so I don't know how good he was at DE. Put him where he is best and leave him there.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Skins try to move Carter to OLB to cover that void. Carter left SF because he was an OLB there and wanted to be a pass rusher. OK. Now the experiment is over and its clear that Carter is nothing special as a DE.

So move him. He's got a good motor, tackles pretty well and stays healthy. He's fast enough, he just doesn't beat blocks well. Maybe he'll fare better in space playing behind a guy who eats blockers .... Albert"

He might not be anything special but he's the only quality defensive end we have. Wynn and Daniels are nice players but there is a reason they only got vet. minimum offers. We have no other real depth at the position Jackson could be a situational pass rusher but he isn't a starter. Wilson may move back to linebacker and still rush the passer on passing downs but he def. isn't the answer at end.

MistaMoe: if i'm not mistaken Golston was tendered on the low end meaning he would have brought a 6th round pick not a second...i don't ever recall hearing them place the 2nd round tag on Golston. Also even if they had I think its pretty obvious that no one was gonna give up a 2nd round pick, so the point is moot.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I think Mack is a much better football player than Loadholt.

So you're right, center is not a huge need now...but another good guard will help now (and I think Mack proved in the Senior Bowl he is also that).

Also, you don't know when any or all of the senior citizens we're sending out to block for us will hit their useful service life limit.

A competent front office would expect everyone we've been starting on the O.L. except for Heyer to hit it soon.

And down the road, I see Mack as a perennial Pro-Bowler for us a center.

So this pick would be a "let's rebuild the Hogs, and also help ourselves now" type move.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 10, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

zceszcest1

True--the big wideouts from last year (TO, Plax) are gone.

Let's look at the corners on the roster:

Hall
Rogers
Smoot
Tyron
Westbrook

So maybe we get lucky and find a warm body undrafted guy who's better than the combination of Tyron/Westbrook.

My fear is that one of the top three gets hurt and we have to depend on a practice squad guy and a midget for depth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Greg, I think Mack is a much better football player than Loadholt"

Oh no doubt, I wish Mack played Tackle...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 10, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Seems that there is no consensus on who is the best of the OTs (I've heard 3 different names on that), the best QB (2 names), even the best WR. There is complete consensus on the best LB. Curry. And we are very weak at LB.

So here's what I do if I'm given the controls. I call every GM in the 1-6 spots in the draft. Tell them they can have my #1 in 2009 and my #1 in 2010 if Curry is on the board when its their turn to select. Now maybe that works, maybe it doesn't. But it assures us of not overpaying and getting a top talent that we can use right away.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Let's hope Rey Maualga is wearing #53 next season."

"draft Rey Maualga

he is a beast and an impact player."

Where would Maualga play?? What is all the interest in drafting a player who has MAJOR red flags, on and off the field.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Beantown: Loadholt is a nice player and a good pick (almost Jansen like imo) but he is not deserving of a late first round pick. Even if for some reason Oher, Britton and Beatty are gone I wouldn't take Loadholt in the first round. If thats your option trade back into the early 2nd and pick up an extra pick or two.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have options to move players around, but its a game of whack-a-mole. Move Carter to LB, a hole pops up at DE. Try Wilson at LB, where is the 3rd down speed rush guy?

If its bad now, wait until the season hits with injuries. Because the real issue with this team isn't the starters capability, its their health.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

1st round pick Andre Smith
3rd round pick Duke Robinson
5th round pick best available run stoping end
6th round pick best available rushing OLB

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 10, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

If its bad now, wait until the season hits with injuries. Because the real issue with this team isn't the starters capability, its their health.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:13 PM
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With the O.L., it's their capability, their health, AND their age...which means expect the first 2 to get worse, possibly dramatically.

So I don't see how you can put off addressing the OL until next year, when 1) draft picks don't necessarily pan out, and 2) O.L. picks definitely could take more than 1 year to even know if they panned out.

Putting all your chips on D sounds like a recipe for disaster. Also, putting all your chips on winning this year sounds like the same thing Danny keeps doing over and over.

That's why I don't want to see it happen again.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 10, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

what good is a good defense when u can only score 10 points a game. need o line

Posted by: steveets | April 10, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Great news for the Redskins. Now they have the depth at tackle to rotate players at end sometimes to get favorable matchups.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 10, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Basically, a team that passes still holds the right to submit its pick at any time, constrained only by the ability of other teams to beat them to the punch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Who would Roger Goodell suspend if this actually took place?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 10, 2009 3:02 PM

Read somewhere last week that the league has no problem with this. It's never been done, but is allowed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

1st round pick Andre Smith
3rd round pick Duke Robinson

That would be a HAPPY DAY for me.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 10, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I like Griffin but he's hurt an awful lot. I would guess its gonna be Haynesworth, with Montgomery and Golston rotating. Draft Rey Maualuga!!!!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Good job Skins!

Still worried about the offense...I still here about O-line talk and it is CRITICAL, but until we have some offensive weapons on the field, it's still 16 or 17 points a game...

Team know how to stop us...8 in the box, chip Cooley and double Moss and we've shot our load.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

McCallister and Ken Lucas are out there, for CB depth..Lot's of signings of released players and FA's should occur around draft weekend, as teams focus their rosters..

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Putting all your chips on D sounds like a recipe for disaster. Also, putting all your chips on winning this year sounds like the same thing Danny keeps doing over and over.

That's why I don't want to see it happen again.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

Not sure how I'm putting all my chips on winning this year.

Reality is that the Skins have more holes than they can address. Unless they find an undrafted kid who turns into another Joe Jacoby, this team is going to have significant holes.

So I'm advocating a 'win with defense' strategy that also would reflect a long term approach.

Get Curry and you have the following defensive players that are all young and talented: Landry, Hall, Rogers, Horton, Curry, Albert.

For the next 5 years, you have a core group on defense that is incredibly talented. You can take that core and put pretty average players around them and it'll still be very good. And that group will be what carries the team.

Once I've got Curry and created this core defense, I go after offense.

OL and almost nothing else with draft picks. There will be a lot of change on that side on the ball. Its possible that in 3 years, every offensive starter will be someone who isn't even on the Skins roster today. Yuck!!!

Build stability into the defense and churn through the inevitable changes/trial and error coming to the offense -- hoping you find a undrafted OT who turns into the next Joe Jacoby.

Its not a great strategy, but its the best of anything I've seen to date.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

skinztattoo89: Why would you want Rey Maualuga??? he is an inside linebacker, he doesn't even profile all that great as a middle linebacker in a 4-3 system. He can not play strongside linebacker, he's not strong enough or fast enough. Pretty much everyone out there labels him as a 2 down linebacker. Now i know there are those out there that will say well Haynesworth basically only plays 2/3 of the snaps. Well thats true but he impacts everyone of them. Maugala does one thing well deliver big hits. He doesn't cover and he doesn't blitz. He also isn't the type to chase down ball carriers. He doesn't have that speed and quickness. He got by in college b/c only a handful of backs have that pro speed. But here every back does, he's not gonna be able to go sideline to sideline to run down Westbrook or Felix Jones.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Golston signed, we’re saved.

Posted by: Bean1 | April 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Seattle takes Sanchez at 4. Cant see Holmgren passing up a elite QB to take Hasselback place.. Didnt Hasselb have an avg to below avg year last year?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Holmgren is no longer with the Seahawks.....Jim Mora, Jr. is now the coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 10, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1: I agree with you that the skins should add another talented young impact player on defense. The problem is the skins have no shot at getting Curry, it is not worth trading their first rounder next year along with other picks to move up and get him. There are only talented linebackers/ends in this draft that can be had in the first 2 rounds. Target them though i will say unless Everette Brown slips to the skins at 13 they need to trade back, no one else is worth being taken there (assuming Orakpo is gone as well)

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Its possible that in 3 years, every offensive starter will be someone who isn't even on the Skins roster today. Yuck!!!


---- gotta backtrack on that comment --- Cooley and Dockery should have no problem being here in another 3 years. The other 9 starters ... none of them seem to be a sure thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

remember the game at dallas this year when we dominated the cowboys, that was great. I remember how good Jason Campbell looked that game, I want him as our starting qb based on that game alone.....i also remember casey rabach getting 2 penalties to negate 2 touchdowns on the same drive, that game alone is enough for me to say we really need a center...go back and watch that game, to evaluate players or to watch a good old fashion a** whoopin' the Skins put on those fools in texas

i like the idea of picking up a center in the draft, there seems to be a number of good centers there. trade down and get one in the 1st or get 1 in the 3rd

i also like the idea of drafting andre smith at #13, doc walker calls him the nastiest player he's seen on film, since i dont have much tape of these prospects, that's what i want to hear about from players the Redskins might draft

again, either way we need T, DE, LB, and C, draft players who will make an immediate impact....sounds easy enough....

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 10, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren is no longer with the Seahawks.....Jim Mora, Jr. is now the coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Remember when Mora interviewed here, then decided it wasn't right because of his family situation. Someone up here posted "The guy suddenly remembers he had a family? What a putz."

And to this day, that's exactly how I view Mora Jr.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith and Duke Robinson would be great


but I'm not so sure Andre Smith will last to #13 and I really don't see Duke lasting till the third round.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith and Duke Robinson would be great


but I'm not so sure Andre Smith will last to #13 and I really don't see Duke lasting till the third round.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse


based on kipers latest mock, we can easily get duke in the 3rd...andre smith may or may not be there but as we pick up a T im ok, oher could be another option, a lot mocks have him falling down to the 20s, we could trade down and make a play for him

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 10, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Im thinking ARBYS...

Posted by: fu1123 | April 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Duke would be a good pickup in the 2nd round, maybe even late, late 1st round. I'd definitely take him in the third if that's where people see him going.

Thing is, if our FO thinks we can pickup a guy like Duke in the 3rd, I'm more inclined to think we WILL draft a Rey Maualuga in the first round. They'll probably feel good about Duke and Dockery putting some new life into the OL.

Maybe Alex Mack in the first and Duke in the 3rd?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's McShay is projecting Skins draft Robert Ayers, DE from Tenn, at 13..He looks pretty beasty, a DeMarcus Ware type on video..

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/4/6/822656/robert-ayers-from-tennessee-to-the

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Does this now mean Griffin is expendable? I wonder would we even get a third for him...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 10, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith and Duke Robinson would be great

but I'm not so sure Andre Smith will last to #13 and I really don't see Duke lasting till the third round.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009 3:50 PM |

Doesn't much matter. Here's how it will work out:

#1 Sanchez
#3 Sanchez

Next year:

#1 Sanchez

Three picks, one guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's McShay is projecting Skins draft Robert Ayers, DE from Tenn, at 13..He looks pretty beasty, a DeMarcus Ware type on video..

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/4/6/822656/robert-ayers-from-tennessee-to-the

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009

I think there is a direct connection between Snidley Owl, Vinny Barberino and Mel Kiper ...

I think Mel is someone they call upon for help with the draft.

Note the sudden change to Sanchez without any explanation by Kiper ... he was picking OL as was McShay.

We can only hope they don't trade up to get Sanchez and that Sanchez is gone. They would be better off with Curry or any of the top 3 OL ... well a lot better off with one or more of the top 3 OL :)

Looking at Kiper's opinions last year and how they drafted I suspect they talk on the phone fairly regularly.

Not something Joe Gibbs would have done ... ever.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

#1 Sanchez
#3 Sanchez
Next year:
#1 Sanchez
Three picks, one guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 10, 2009

Unfortunately, TE is dead-on right. Damn!!!
And by ESPN's college QB ranking system Colt Brennan ranks higher!

Its like watching high school kids from Rockville who spend their days playing Madden manage the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

4 SOLID DT's...........

On the Redskins?.........

nice!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 10, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, if FO is hellbent on Sanchez, I'd be curious to know as to how well he has performed in cold weather, and not the comfy LA and Pac 10 weather..

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

or against a decent defense, not a weak Pac 1 defense

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Alex Mack in the first and Duke in the 3rd? Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 10, 2009

No, Truth, Kiper picked it. And TE called what it will cost them. Its going to be Sanchez.

So we have to hope they get to pick a guy like Lydon Murtha I think Loadholt will be gone. Murtha can play guard. Have to wait until the next pick to get the C/G, maybe Edwin Williams?

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

So I'm advocating a 'win with defense' strategy that also would reflect a long term approach.

Get Curry and you have the following defensive players that are all young and talented: Landry, Hall, Rogers, Horton, Curry, Albert.

-Posted by: zcezcest1

If he drops to 13, tht's a no-brainer. However, I'm tired of the no-brainer running personnel for the Redskins and want no part of trading future draft picks.

I'd rather hope and dream that Vinny will go away.

I'd say my dream and yours of getting Curry are about even.

Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

We can only hope they don't trade up to get Sanchez and that Sanchez is gone.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:19 PM

Right. These are two men who are well known for waiting patiently. And why won't they wait? Because of the second part of your sentence -- he might be gone. High school kids from Potomac playing Madden. And losing, over and over.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 10, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse


One possible side effect of signing Golston--'skins get a pretty decent OG in the process. Fella named Alexander who should be freed up to move to that side of the ball with all that depth at DT.

Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The FO will pick Malcom Jenkins with the 13th pick, because they are letting smoot go next year

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 10, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Curry would far and away be the better pick ... if they move up that high. Smith would be the best possible ... but they won't do that now ...

Jason Reid ... someone ought to investigate how that meeting with Snidely the Owl and Jason Campbell really went.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The FO will pick Malcom Jenkins with the 13th pick, because they are letting smoot go next year

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 10, 2009

This one makes sense with #13 as well.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

One possible side effect of signing Golston--'skins get a pretty decent OG in the process. Fella named Alexander who should be freed up to move to that side of the ball with all that depth at DT.

Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2009

Good point!!! Given what he will be left with Bugel is going to need all the help he can get.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I am not advocating the FO take Malcom jenkins but I think they will ride out the year with Wilson and jackson at DE and a possible vet SLB in Malcom Jenkins is sitting there at 13

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Cork, just gonna agree to disagree regarding Curry. He's gone in the top 5 and I'd rather have 1 guy who can be a force for this defense for a decade than 2 #1's. As for Vinny going away ... that dream is probably a reality after another 8-8 year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd say my dream and yours of getting Curry are about even.
Posted by: TheCork | April 10, 2009

Especially since TE is right, #13, plus the third round pick, plus next year's to get Sanchez. Snidely will never win in this league.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

skinztattoo89: Why would you want Rey Maualuga??? he is an inside linebacker, he doesn't even profile all that great as a middle linebacker in a 4-3 system. He can not play strongside linebacker, he's not strong enough or fast enough. Pretty much everyone out there labels him as a 2 down linebacker. Now i know there are those out there that will say well Haynesworth basically only plays 2/3 of the snaps. Well thats true but he impacts everyone of them. Maugala does one thing well deliver big hits. He doesn't cover and he doesn't blitz. He also isn't the type to chase down ball carriers. He doesn't have that speed and quickness. He got by in college b/c only a handful of backs have that pro speed. But here every back does, he's not gonna be able to go sideline to sideline to run down Westbrook or Felix Jones.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow How strong is he? do you know? Doesn't Blitz? just in the last couple weeks I've seen quite a few highlights of him doing just that. While you're right he does play inside LB now, Fletcher has a couple good years lefthe could be used inside whe he is gone. Everything I've seen says he has the skills to do both

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Scary if youre right Periculum.. Its so preposterous that its probably true.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 10, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Cork, just gonna agree to disagree regarding Curry. He's gone in the top 5 and I'd rather have 1 guy who can be a force for this defense for a decade than 2 #1's. As for Vinny going away ... that dream is probably a reality after another 8-8 year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009

I think they can get #2 from the Rams for #13, and next year's #1 plus #3. One can only hope they throw in some other things to get the Rams #2 at 35 which could translate into a pretty decent OT. And maybe their #66 in the third?

But I am dreaming ... its going to be a disaster.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Where would Maualga play?? What is all the interest in drafting a player who has MAJOR red flags, on and off the field."

What are you talking about Steveo? Seriously? Scouts call the guy "war daddy." Football is the closest thing to war outside of the real thing. And "he doesn't cover and doesn't blitz"? Have you ever heard of youtube? Here, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp1dUZUMXxc&feature=related

That's exactly why the guy is not going to fall past San Diego at 16, and we should be lucky to have him on our team. He's ran a 4.6 w/a bad hammy, and plays WAY faster than that. He can play any position we need him to, and he can fill in for LFB when he retires (which will be sooner rather than later). AND "HE ISN'T THE TYPE TO CHASE DOWN BALL CARRIERS"!!! Dude, do the tiniest bit of research before you speak... it will save much embarrassment.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

fwiw,
Joe Jacoby -- undrafted
Russ Grimm -- 3rd round
Jeff Bostic -- undrafted

If Vinny can pull off something resembling that ... all will be forgiven.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mrsaun | April 10, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRodPG4gfJQ&feature=related

This dude could totally come off the edge for us.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 10, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Scary if youre right Periculum.. Its so preposterous that its probably true.
Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 10, 2009

Last year, Kiper pretty much published all the Redskins picks in the 2nd round as his three of his top fiver receivers.

This year he is the only one in his mock picking Sanchez.

Not me, TE is right. #13, next year's first rounder, and this year's third rounder for #2 in the first round and Mark Sanchez.

We're done ... Snidely is doing it again ... creating a team no one wants to play for or coach.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Just as with building companies, the first goal is to obtain at least competence in ALL areas, THEN try to improve each area to a B or A rating: if you’re elite in some areas but have a huge hole (incompetence) in even one other area, you’ll fail regardless. So the priority has to be the O-line, not LB even though we need one – duct tape that til next year. We need balance first… achieving elite-ness in certain units is second.

And we should not even be thinking about using next year’s picks (especially the high ones) to get one player this year!

[A] I don't see any player in this draft worth going crazy over, including Curry, i.e. by trading future draft picks. And let’s remember that even the best FO’s have what, a 50% wash-out rate? So, very simply, having a greater volume of draft picks leads to better success in drafting.

[B] The Skins need to keep all of next year's picks, not just to stop mortgaging the future in general, but especially because we may well need them even more in 2010 if Campbell is mediocre this year and we want to try to grab one of the (allegedly) potential great QB's coming out next year. Usually, only a potentially elite QB prospect is worth giving up 2 first rounders for (and maybe we do that for Sam Bradford or one of the others).

With our top 2-3 picks this year… O-line, O-line, O-line. And I really like the idea of trying to trade down to a low-1R or high-2R OT (unless one of the 4 best falls to us) plus a C/G like Mack or Unger! That would be most awesome, dude.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 10, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Dude, do the tiniest bit of research before you speak... it will save much embarrassment.
Posted by: mrsaun | April 10, 2009

Why bother? It will never happen. I don't even think they interviewed the guy? The did interview Clay Matthews, and SANCHEZ TWICE!!!

Who do you think Snidely is going for?

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

1st round pick Andre Smith
3rd round pick Duke Robinson
5th round pick best available run stoping end
6th round pick best available rushing OLB

Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 10, 2009 3:19 PM

Awesome start! (Though I seriously doubt Duke will still be there...)

How about:
5th round: LB Robert Francois 6-2 243 (BC)

6th round: DE Zach Potter 6-7 279 (Neb) or if he's still on the board you gotta take OT Alex Boone 6-7 328 (Ohio State)

7th round: CB/ST (punt ret.) Ladirius Webb 5-10 180 (4.35 40 - mad speed) or WR Greg Carr 6-6 218. Who's gonna cover a guy who is 6-6 with longer arms running a fade in the end zone?

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Trading up for Sanchez would just be an admission that Colt was a wasted pick last year and that they have no confidence in JC. What if JC lights it up this year? Then you have a 3rd year QB(Colt) a 2nd year QB(Sanchez) and JC who you HAVE to resign! Just sign Leftwich already and save yourself a lot of money and draft OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

peri -- there are a million variations on the basic scenario I suggested. This years #1 plus next years #1 to any team if Curry is on the board. Standing offer.

There is no other player I'd trade anything significant for to move up -- unless the Skins see one of the 4 OTs as really a lot better than the others. Nothing I've read or seen suggests that there is a that sort of gap, but maybe there is.

I'd consider trading up to insure I got a top OT, but I suspect that's only a couple slots. Plus, my instincts tell me that the of the 4 'great' OTs in the draft-- only 1 or 2 will bb good players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

And let’s remember that even the best FO’s have what, a 50% wash-out rate? So, very simply, having a greater volume of draft picks leads to better success in drafting.

Posted by: chasgiffen

No it doesn't. See Redskins draft, 2008

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

with the signings of Wynn, Daniels, and now Golston added to Griff, Hayney, Carter, Monty, Lorenzo, and either Jackson or Buzbee.

Is it safe to say they are not thinking D line @ #13

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 10, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

mrsaun -- every one has a highlight film. Those films never show you if the guy took a bad angle or missed a read or was out of position or got chipped when he could have avoided it or took a play off.

Its why you need to watch entire games in order to have a clue. And I unless I'm getting paid for it ... don't have the time

Also, who is Duke Robinson?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I really really don't like trading away any draft picks from next years draft to help us move up a few spaces in this years draft. We just have to bite the bullet and stop doing that.

We are nowhere near being "one pick away" from anything. Those picks turn into to ten year starters/multiple pro bowlers on the O line and D line, and we have to stop giving them away.

Building line dominance (essential for NFC East competition) requires a draft strategy commitment of keeping high picks.

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope Rey Maualga is wearing #53 next season."

"draft Rey Maualga

he is a beast and an impact player."

Where would Maualga play?? What is all the interest in drafting a player who has MAJOR red flags, on and off the field.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You seem to have a lot of inside information, what would these red flags be? hmmmm? The intrest would be we need an LB that puts fear in peopls hearts. A big hitter is neededat LB

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, who is Duke Robinson?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 5:01 PM

Guard from Ok. 6'5" 329. That guy is a HOG! We would be very lucky to get him. Exactly the kind of ten year starter 2-3 pro bowls type player we need to start building our lines with.

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Mel is someone they call upon for help with the draft.

Note the sudden change to Sanchez without any explanation by Kiper ... he was picking OL as was McShay.

We can only hope they don't trade up to get Sanchez and that Sanchez is gone. They would be better off with Curry or any of the top 3 OL ... well a lot better off with one or more of the top 3 OL :)

Looking at Kiper's opinions last year and how they drafted I suspect they talk on the phone fairly regularly.

Not something Joe Gibbs would have done ... ever.


Posted by: periculum

I hate to say this but I agree. I've heard that Mel and Vinny are tight - but then again I keep hearing that Vinny is good friends with EVERYONE NFL related. Which is shocking in and of itself.

That being said, picking Sanchez (and probably even moving up to get him) would be the exact thing our idiotic FO would do. And can someone please tell me if any USC QB has been successful with the exception of Carson Palmer? Matt Leinart has not looked good in the games he played.....Matt Cassell played well last year in Belichick's system......who else?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 10, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Also, who is Duke Robinson?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 5:01 PM

Guard from Ok. 6'5" 329. That guy is a HOG! We would be very lucky to get him. Exactly the kind of ten year starter 2-3 pro bowls type player we need to start building our lines with.

Posted by: edvar

thanks -- I was thinking to myself -- why do these people want us to draft the clerk from Night Court? But alas, I was confusing Mac Robinson and Duke Robinson

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Rey Maualaga ranked 91 (Curry is 97) by Scouts.
In spite of his highlights there are issues:

Durability 4

Durability is a somewhat of a concern. Did not start versus Notre Dame in 2006 because of a left wrist injury. He sustained hip pointer versus Arizona State in 2007, which limited him versus Notre Dame. Entered the 2008 season with a broken finger. He missed the Oregon contest in 2008 after spraining his right knee the week prior against Oregon State. He also pulled up with a hamstring injury during his first attempt at the 40-yard dash at the Combine.

Character 4

He was arrested in November of 2005 for suspicion of misdemeanor battery following a fight he was involved in during a Halloween party. He turned himself into authorities and agreed to attend anger management and Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, as well as perform community service. Father died of brain cancer two days prior to 2006 Rose Bowl. Maualuga was also disciplined for his involvement in an incident at a fraternity party in October of 2006. Was demoted to special teams versus Oregon State that season after he overslept a meeting.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

COLT BRENNAN
PLAYER AGE SCHOOL NO. POSITION
Colt Brennan 24 Hawaii 15 QB
Senior Bowl 2007 Height 6-2¼ -- Sees the field well enough. Not ideal height, but this is not a major negative for Brennan.
Weight 185 -- Extremely lean. Brennan's lack of bulk is a major concern considering the punishment he will surely take in the NFL. Although he should be able to add weight, this is a concern.
Speed 4.75 -- Lacks top-flight athleticism for the position and isn't the type of quarterback who makes tacklers miss in the open field. But he is athletic enough to throw on the move and buy time in the pocket.
Intelligence There are concerns regarding his ability to quickly pick up a pro-style offense at the next level. Also will need to make strides as a decision-maker.
Toughness Considering his frail frame, Brennan has to be considered a tough player. He battled through an ankle injury for much of his senior season, but still produced at a high level.
Strength/Flex Is not a big, strong quarterback, but does get everything he can out of his frame to create RPMs on his throws.
Durability Plays with pain. Durable, but you have to wonder if that will be the case in the NFL.
Character There are mixed opinions here. Very confident on the field, however, and his teammates have faith in his abilities.
Production Few in the history of college football have produced on a level comparable to Brennan. Of course Hawaii's system had a lot to do with the massive numbers, but Brennan's stats are still fantastic.

QB SPECIFICS
Arm Strength C- Has to load up for the deep ball and use every inch of slight frame to drive it down the field.
Escape Ability B- Feels the rush well and has good overall movement skills in the pocket. Will not break a tackle, but can elude.
Quick Set Up A- Footwork is very good. He's light on his feet and doesn't waste any motion.
Accuracy Long B Brennan is an accurate quarterback overall, but his deep ball will come under more scrutiny than his short accuracy.
Accuracy Short A Excellent. This is where Brennan excels, making him a very good fit for a three-step West Coast passing game.
Locate Second Receiver B Brennan reads coverages well and knows where all his targets are at on the field. He does a nice job in this area.
Running Ability B Will never run over or drag tacklers, but is athletic enough to take what a defense gives him as a runner and should be accounted for.
Quickness of Delivery B- His delivery is very low and unorthodox, but he does get the ball out quickly.
Judgement B+ Has proven to value the ball and doesn't take too many unnecessary risks. Good decision maker.
Poise B Was the clear leader of Hawaii's ultra-productive offense and is not easily thrown off his game.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

kiddie stuff nothing that serious. I say draft him he's a big time playmaker

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Kiper on Redskins picks:
3. Washington Redskins (8-8)
Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Sanchez definitely is one of the top five to eight players available in this draft, and getting him here would be a bit of a steal, because had he returned to USC for his senior season, he likely would have been the No. 1 overall pick.

80. Washington: Kyle Moore, DE, USC

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

kiddie stuff nothing that serious. I say draft him he's a big time playmaker
Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009

Forget it dude. First, they would draft Andre Smith who is much bigger and nastier beast than Maualaga and they need him more on the OL. Second they are going to draft Mark Sanchez because Snidely sez so.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I think the Skins should seriously pass on trading future picks to move up in the draft. There isn't anyone in this year's draft who is worth it, and we'd all just be sitting here next year bemoaning the fact that we don't have those picks, especially if they trade their '10 #1. Plus, the FO doesn't have a real strong record of targeting players worthy of trading picks for.

The Skins are in a great position to just draft their board however it shapes up. There will be good OTs, OLBs, and DEs available when they pick. Whoever they like best on their board is who they should take (even though I shudder to think about their talent evaulation). If Sanchez drops to them (less likely now), they should trade the pick to whoever is looking to move up.

On Maualuga. He's definitely a beast, but I don't think he's an ideal MLB fit for our scheme and I don't think he's as well suited to play SLB for us either. He is no doubt a heat seeking missile that blows up at the point of attack. But our MLB needs to be comfortable dropping deep into the middle zone for the Cover-2 and our SLB needs to be comfortable covering TEs and RBs. I don't think those are his best skills. Just my opinion based on what I've seen and read (YouTube research notwithstanding). Maybe they take him and change how they play D. He will definitely scare people coming up the middle. But if we're going to play the same D, I think they should look at one of the other OLBs. Especially since we need someone who's going to be able to contribute this year, and I think it would take Maualuga a little longer to contribute because of the position switch.

Posted by: ts35 | April 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Are we going to give Sanchez 3 years in the same system to develop, or are we gonna jerk him around with musical coaches, coordinators and then watch his line deteriorate in front of our eyes?

Not sure we need Sanchez, not willing to burn a first rounder to find out. Absolutely certain we need dominant O linemen. That would benefit ANY QB we have back there for years to come. Much better bet given the few draft choices we have.

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"That's exactly why the guy is not going to fall past San Diego at 16, and we should be lucky to have him on our team. He's ran a 4.6 w/a bad hammy, and plays WAY faster than that. He can play any position we need him to, and he can fill in for LFB when he retires (which will be sooner rather than later). AND "HE ISN'T THE TYPE TO CHASE DOWN BALL CARRIERS"!!! Dude, do the tiniest bit of research before you speak... it will save much embarrassment.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 10, 2009 4:41 PM"

Ok first I did my research I saw that Mauagla ran a 4.9 (not a 4.6) with a bad hamstring and then preceeded to run a 4.71 during his proday with a healthy hammy. As for his strength he posted only mediocre bench press numbers. There is not a single draft publication who has said that he can play outside and even if we did want to use our first round pick on a guy who would sit the bench for a couple of years before he replaces fletcher, most people feel that hes a better 3-4 guy. Trust me when i saw that i'm not embarrassed about anything I say here. Maybe if you happened to acutally watch him play and not just a few You tube plays you'd see also that there are some big red flags with his style. He has also dealt with multiple injuries so why after taking players like McCintosh and Kelly would we draft another off injured player?? As for him off the field i've seen multiple places say that Mauagla has had some off the field incidents as well.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/Rey-Maualuga.php

http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1215

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

style. He has also dealt with multiple injuries so why after taking players like McCintosh and Kelly would we draft another off injured player?? As for him off the field i've seen multiple places say that Mauagla has had some off the field incidents as well.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/Rey-Maualuga.php

http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1215

Posted by: Steveo11 ***

well said Steve.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 10, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Tattoo you realize that if he had those incidents in the NFL he'd be suspended by Goodell? I'm not saying he's a bad player just overhyped, again best suited for a 3-4 or a 4-3 that plays close to the line. He isn't an outside linebacker and he can't cover I don't see how he'd fit in here and I don't understand why everyone would want him. Why draft a guy at 13 and play him out of position.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

First, they would draft Andre Smith who is much bigger and nastier beast than Maualaga and they need him more on the OL. Second they are going to draft Mark Sanchez because Snidely sez so.


Posted by: periculum *****

Are you not worried at how weka he performed doing relatively light bench presses? I don't remeber how many he did, but it was far too few for a big guy IMO. Either he's lazy, or weak naturally, and neither is good.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

I don't know from where or why you get these scouting notes from but they are nauseating, and only 50% accurate at best. Not sure why you chose here to post Colt's stats from college, but for anyone to give him any higher than a D in footwork is ludicrous. You or I would throw for 3000 yards and 30 TD's at Hawaii. Every time Colt took a snap for the Redskins last year he looked like he was going to trip and tackle himself. he throws off the wrong foot which is why his arm strangth iis mediocre. And how about durability, the guy was on the injured list last year and didn't even get in to a gaome! and Then had knee surgury. Again I am not sure your point in posting it, but Colt was a wasted pick. He easily could have been signed as an undrafted free agent or off someones practice squad.

I am sure wherever you are getting your reports from that they are at some combine and have more info than we do about the college players, but when you watch them play live you should know better than to belive what some moron at a combine is writing.

I do enjoy your posts when you give your own opinion. You should do it more.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If were gonna trade down i think the eagles would make sense as a trading partner. According to the espn draft pick value chart their 21st pick and their second rounder is very close to being equal to our first rounder. THey would want to move up if they want their pick of all the running backs because after us goes the saints, texans and chargers. all three teams are speculated to pick up a running back. the eagles woudl still have a two firsts and we get a second and have a good shot at picking up ayers or matthews. The downside is that this helps the eagles get what they want but we only play them twice and we play fourteen other games that arent against the eagles so to me this makes sense.

Posted by: amsaul | April 10, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

How about the kid from Baylor? Jason Smith. He seems like the real deal to me. Much better than Andre. Too bad we won't get him as he'll be long gone. :(

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 10, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

However reluctantly, I'm thinking the Sanchez rumor must have something to it. Why bring a guy in who has essentially zero chance of being there at #13 unless you're serious? That's a long way to go for a smokescreen.

The more I look at all this, the more I see this thing blowing up and ending badly.

As of now, our defense is modestly better than in 2008, our offense is modestly worse. Getting Curry and our defense is significantly better.

Sanchez ... who knows

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

We're gonna draft Sanchez then Danny and Vinny are gonna hope JC fails miserably so they look like geniuses. Then NEXT YEAR we'll address the OL through the draft, Sanchez will have the protection that JC never had and Vinny and Danny will look like geniuses again. Pittsburgh offered Leftwich a two year deal so he may be unavailable soon.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 10, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

If Golston signs elsewhere J Ca Ca would have a 5 scroll essay about how clueless Cerrato is, how heartless Snyer is and how dysfunctional the Skins are in general. Golston would be talked about like he was the 2nd coming of Dexter Manley and a sure fire pro-bowler.

As it is, we get 4 sentences from someone else besides Ca Ca.

"insider" - ha

Posted by: IHateJLC | April 10, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

the Skins publically talking about drafting Sanchez = leverage in trade talks with other teams.

come on folks.

Posted by: IHateJLC | April 10, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

steveo-

Rey ran about a 4.65 at Pro Day (depends on who you ask) with his hammy still slighty tweaked.

He is fast and hits like a mack truck.

From ESPN:

"It was his 40 that was the most anticipated part of the workout, however, after Maualuga clocked in at 4.91 seconds on his lone attempt at the combine. Maualuga finally ran by himself at the very end of the workout with everyone gathered around and he did not disappoint. His times ranged from 4.59 to 4.71 according to the scouts we talked to, re-affirming his straight-line speed and burst and answering any lingering questions."

Posted by: swowra | April 10, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Heres the best thing that could happen to the Redskins in the following months:

Trade Portis while his stock is still high, for a 1st round pick or a 2nd and a 3rd- Draft Knowshon Moreno or another young dynamic ball carrier--why?

Portis is clearly done. Sure he may get us 1300 and 6 tds next year, but he is at the age where most rb's fall significantly. He doesnot have breakaway speed. He cannot play a whole season. Dont get me wrong, Portis is a warrior, but the Skins dont need an aging warrior, they need a young ball carrier. Moreno is clearly the young dynamic talent that has speed and good hands for a west coast offense.

Take offensive line with 13th pick
or
Trade the 13th pick for a late 1st and get a 2nd or get two 2nds...etc.

With those picks draft offensive line.


Trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd and a 3rd...etc

With those picks draft offensive line.

We already have a more athletic, bigger, faster, tight end waiting to dominate in Fred Davis

Do not draft defense until the later rounds--why?

Because we paid Albert Haynesworth an obscene amount of money to make the defense better. The logic of the Skins front offense dictates that at 100 mil, Haynesworth should instantly make everyone else better on the defense. So why spend any high picks on defense save for a third rounder on an LB or DE?

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

20 QBs's selected in the top 5 picks 1993-2008

Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Carson Palmer
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Tim Couch
Michael Vick
donovan mcnabb
Akili Smith
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Heath Shuler
Drew Bledoe
Rick Mirer

Two others went in the top 10, Byron Leftwich and Matt Leinart.


So lets break it out
2 TBD guys: Young, Russell
9 Busts (or close to it): Carr, Smith, Smith, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, vick, Shuler, Mirer
5 Good QBs: eli, Palmer, Ryan, Collins, Bledsoe
3 Great QBs: donovan, McNair, Rivers
1 HOF Great: Peyton

9 out of 20 QB picks have panned out. 9 have been busts.
Only 4 have been great.


Interestingly, only 3 QBs were taken between 6-10 -- Matt Leinart, Byron Leftwich and Trent Dilfer.

What does this say? With complete clarity, it says:

You'd be a fool to use a top 5 pick on a QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

errata on the prior post ... forgot to remove the line "Two others ..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

And let’s remember that even the best FO’s have what, a 50% wash-out rate? So, very simply, having a greater volume of draft picks leads to better success in drafting.

Posted by: chasgiffen

No it doesn't. See Redskins draft, 2008

Posted by: zcezcest1

Huh? That underscores my point exactly. I said "even the best", i.e. many teams do a lot worse, especially this FO. The worse the FO, the more they need MORE draft picks to score a winner, like getting just one real player (Horton) out of multiple picks.

If you miss on Curry (turns out mediocre or a bust - it can happen regardless of how much he looks like a lock now, this happens w/ "locks" every year), and give up TWO #1's in the process (to upgrade a #4 defense!), you're REALLY fooked, as the Irish would say.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 10, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

swowra: I took Mike Maycock's 40 time from the pro day for Maualuga. You have to take one particular time and not average them. There has to be an offical time and not just a complilation, i'm sure there were some people that timed him at the combine slower than 4.9 but they have an offical time that they use. I took Maycock's b/c I knew the source compared to unnamed scouts, also i've seen other sites use that number for his pro day (Walter Football i know does).

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 10, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

steveo- I do realize he would be suspended, for those BUT he wasn't in the nfl and I don't believe those incidents are necessarily indications of things to come. College is a time when things like that happen. I think most NFL players have been in a fight or to a party, so I don't find that so alarming

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 10, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Now lets look at LBs. 14 LBs have been taken in the top 10 between 1993-2008 (had to look at more than top 5 -- only 6 went top 5).

They are:
Keith Rivers
Jerod Mayo
AJ Hawk
Ernie Simms
Terrell Suggs
LaVar Arrington
Brian Urlacher
Chris Claiborne
Peter Boulware
James Farrior
Kevin Hardy
Trev Albert
Jamir Miller
Marvin Jones

Now, I'm not familiar with all these guys.
TBD Keith Rivers
Busts: Trev Albert
Good: Hawk, Simms, Hardy, Miller, Jones, Claiborne
Great: Mayo, Suggs, Arrington, Boulware, Farrior
HOF Great: Urlacher

Only 1 guy (other then Rivers, a rookie in 2008) wasn't/isn't a career starter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1: "What does this say? With complete clarity, it says: You'd be a fool to use a top 5 pick on a QB."

Call me stupid, but I'm not following your line of logic here. Elaborate a little?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE GOIN TO THE SUPER BOWL!!! I mean, eventually, right? Some time in the next 50 years? law of averages? blind luck? pay the refs?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 10, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

chas ... the ability to spot top LB talent from colleges is high. Much lower risk than most positions

Curry is an LB. Based on my quick eval, the odds are very much in favor of Curry being a very good player. Of the 10 LBs on that list selected before 2006, 7 made a Pro Bowl, with 5 making multiple Pro Bowls.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Only 1 guy (other then Rivers, a rookie in 2008) wasn't/isn't a career starter.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009>/i>

Aren't you forgetting a few ... well like Robert Thomas the Redskins newest, DeMarcus Ware?

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Snidely and his Madden machine are running the show ... clearly, inexorably it will be Sanchez over the protests of all and sundry.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1: "What does this say? With complete clarity, it says: You'd be a fool to use a top 5 pick on a QB."

Call me stupid, but I'm not following your line of logic here. Elaborate a little?

Posted by: Samson151 |

There is about a 50/50 chance of getting a bust with a top 5 QB pick (9 busts out of 20 with 2 tbd).

To spend that kind of $$$ on a 50/50 chance makes no sense. By comparison, looking at LBs, the odds are about 10% that you get a bust (1 bust out of 14 with 1 tbd).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

time will tell peric...I'd be willing to bet two corn dogs/beers against a corn dog and a beer that we don't pull a Dirty Sanchez

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 10, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

peri -- just using the filters on pro-football reference. Where those guys selected in the top 10?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

demarcus was 11th overall, thomas 31st.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Poname,

Neither trade is possible this year, even if they wanted to do them. The cap hit for trading either would be massive and after the spending spree there is no way to create enough space to trade either player. If there is no cap next year, that's when you'll see them move some of these high cap number players (I'm looking at you John Jansen), though Portis and Cooley aren't going anywhere regardless of the cap hit.

Posted by: Snydersucks | April 10, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Re: Sanchez,

On Redskins Nation today, a fan wrote Larry Michael about the Sanchez rumors....mentioned that Mel Kiper was saying the Skins would pick Sanchez at #13...the fan said this smelled really "fishy" especially after the recent Campbell/Cutler drama.

Larry replied that things smell "fine" where he is sitting and that he cannot see the Skins picking anyone at #13 that would not be able to play this season. He went on to say we have more pressing needs than a QB and that if there is not a player on the draft board when we pick who will be ready to play in 09-10 then he thinks they will try to trade the pick for additional picks. Larry then said this is just his opinion.

So, it looks like Larry thinks like most of us - which is kinda scary.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 10, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Danny, I know you read these, late at night when you can't sleep, so please listen. You need to think OL. The defense will be fine (top 5 for sure). The OL is the foundation. Until you address it, you will never know if you have a quarterback or not. And Danny, forget about trading down. I forgive you for wasting our second round pick. Who knew that JT would be such a bum (except Parcells). This first round is rich in quality OTs. Take one. You'll be glad you did for the next 10 years.

Posted by: nomolehill | April 10, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Good News! Thanks for coming back, Kedric!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 10, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

So, it looks like Larry (Michaels) thinks like most of us - which is kinda scary.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Hah!!! Larry isn't thinking like me ... and I feeling pretty good about that!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

'...COLT BRENNAN..'

Listed above is the name of the new Mr. Irrevlant.

Some of us--well me, actually--are tired of hearing about this guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

that is scary.


Moe,

Colt could turn out to be the next Drew Brees!! Duh!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 10, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

'...he cannot see the Skins picking anyone at #13 that would not be able to play this season...'


If Sanchez is drafted, he must play on day one.

Please don't put the fanbase through the sorry drama of one guy playing lameduck quarterback while the guy who's been drafted high chills on the sideline with a clipboard.

If the team wants Sanchez, name him starter, get him in camp, and let him spent the remainder of the off season becoming the team's leader.

Trade Campbell on draft day and use whatever pick(s) you get to select a player(s) of value.

If we are gonna move on, well, let's move on all the way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, "play this season" is the key criterion that *I think* the front office will use when deciding what to do with that #13 pick.

I really think it's going to be DE or OLB. Somebody who might be in the rotation from game one, and who might be a starter by mid-season.

We all know Buges is only going to play a youngster on the line in the case of an emergency. I have to think that, given the investment in Dock, the front office will think they've "done enough" for the OL this offseason... I'm afraid they aren't going to use that #13 pick to draft for critically needed top-flight O line depth. They just don't seem to operate like that...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 10, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I can live with a top flight OT at #13, though I think Curry is the better way to go.

The wrong way to go is to select a QB. But the last hot shiny object of Danny's desire got away -- guess he's fallen in lust with Sanchez, the rebound guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

'....Colt could turn out to be the next Drew Brees!'


English major time.

The expression '...could turn out to be...' suggests nothing definitive.

I, for example, dated a lot of women because I told them, "Girl, tonite could be the chance of a lifetime!"

Of course, three minutes later, they realized in bed they'd wasted their time once it dawned on them there wasn't anything definitive about my promises.

Colt Brennan is a 7th round pick for a reason: that's definitive information which can't be denied. He's not Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco being hed back because of FO ineptitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

That's how it would have to happen... but I hope that things are different from that, on draft day. Hell, I could see Sanchez falling to the Skins and them shopping the pick. Sanchez is damn sure a top -15 pick.

Check out Picks 14-20:

14. N.O
15. Houston
16. San Diego

Here is where things get interesting; 17-20:
Jets
Broncos
Tampa Bay
Lions

All Teams in need of a QB. All teams may end up vying for the pick.....

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 10, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Lol. Dude, I was totally kidding.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 10, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

You mean, once they saw your unit?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 10, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

allthat


I know..I just got jokes. :))))))

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Curry might be a good player, but he's simply is not worth throwing away the Skins next two drafts. To move up for the #4 pick would require #13, #80 and the Skins 2010 1st round pick in a trade with Seattle -- that is -- if he's still on the board. They could not put a package together that is equal in value to the 3rd pick and KC has a need at OT (they will draft OT Monroe; unless Detroit takes an OT first.)

My preference is for the Skins to keep the 13th pick and select an OT (A Smith/Oher) or try to trade down to #17-23 and select both an OL and SLB. If a trade cannot be completed and the best OTs are off the board, then there should be good value in OLB/DEs like Maybin or Ayers.

Oh -- and there is no way the Skins would trade with Philly... My guess is a trade could be completed with the Jets(17), Tampa Bay (19), Detroit (20), or Minnesota (22); if Sanchez is still on the board at #13.

Posted by: siris | April 10, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

anyone watching the release of the nfl schedule on the network??

Posted by: Skins211 | April 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

anyone watching the release of the nfl schedule on the network??

Posted by: Skins211 | April 10, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought that didn't come out till tuesday

Posted by: leevi98 | April 10, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Curry might be a good player, but he's simply is not worth throwing away the Skins next two drafts. To move up for the #4 pick would require #13, #80 and the Skins 2010 1st round pick in a trade with Seattle -- that is -- if he's still on the board. They could not put a package together that is equal in value to the 3rd pick and KC has a need at OT (they will draft OT Monroe; unless Detroit takes an OT first.)


Posted by: siris

I'd never assume what another team might want. I'd put it out there ... a #1 in 2010 and our #13 overall in 2009. To any team. As long as Curry is on the board. If they want it, they can take it. If its not enough, keep the picks and improve the OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

allthatskins

Here is where things get interesting; 17-20:
Jets
Broncos
Tampa Bay
Lions

All Teams in need of a QB. All teams may end up vying for the pick.....

Out of the 4 teams you list, Tampa would seem to be the best suitor for Sanchez.

But what would they give in return? What would we want in return?

I'd rather take the path of least resistence: select Rey Maualga with the 13th pick and avoid any draft day trade schemes.

Our front office gets used like a roll of charmin when it tries to get cute with trades.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "there is about a 50/50 chance of getting a bust with a top 5 QB pick (9 busts out of 20 with 2 tbd).To spend that kind of $$$ on a 50/50 chance makes no sense. By comparison, looking at LBs, the odds are about 10% that you get a bust (1 bust out of 14 with 1 tbd). "

But... but...
haven't you really just managed to demonstrate that it's quite a bit easier to draft a good LB than it is to draft a good QB? -- which is not the same as proving that teams shouldn't draft QBs in the top 5 picks?

Plus, ain't it true that QBs get paid a lot more than LBs, precisely because the position is so valuable to the team? Meaning that if you wanted one with really terrific potential, you'd expect to spend a higher draft choice on him, and pay him a lot more money than your rookie LB?

The point's not just to avoid a bust, but to find a star, right?

Don't forget there are 3 LB positions, t
obody argues that QB is more

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, three minutes later, they realized in bed they'd wasted their time once it dawned on them there wasn't anything definitive about my promises.

Colt Brennan is a 7th round pick for a reason: that's definitive information which can't be denied. He's not Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco being hed back because of FO ineptitude."

Wasn't Tom Brady a sixth round draft choice?

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The Skins might be able to trade up to the 6th or 7th spots for 1,600 points or the "#1 in 2010 and our #13 overall in 2009". I highly doubt Curry will be available after Cleveland picks at #5.

I just don't think any OLB in this draft is worth two potential starters; given the age of the Skins offensive and defensive lines. They need to keep those picks or trade them for additional selections...

Posted by: siris | April 10, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Poname,

Neither trade is possible this year, even if they wanted to do them. The cap hit for trading either would be massive and after the spending spree there is no way to create enough space to trade either player. If there is no cap next year, that's when you'll see them move some of these high cap number players (I'm looking at you John Jansen), though Portis and Cooley aren't going anywhere regardless of the cap hit."

There cap hits would too much? How much over th cap would that put them?

Snyder is not a good owner, we know that...so why in your opinion besides the cap hit, would portis and cooley not go anywhere? My answer is that Vinny and Snyder for whatever reason are just not good at personel decisions, but that is stating the obvious.

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

you didn't just compare Colt Brennan to Tom Brady...did you?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 10, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Poname,

Neither trade is possible this year, even if they wanted to do them. The cap hit for trading either would be massive and after the spending spree there is no way to create enough space to trade either player. If there is no cap next year, that's when you'll see them move some of these high cap number players (I'm looking at you John Jansen), though Portis and Cooley aren't going anywhere regardless of the cap hit."

There cap hits would too much? How much over th cap would that put them?

Snyder is not a good owner, we know that...so why in your opinion besides the cap hit, would portis and cooley not go anywhere?
My answer is that Vinny and Snyder for whatever reason are just not good at personel decisions, but that is stating the obvious.
I think that if they really wanted to trade portis and cooley they could make it work...but they wont because they are stupid

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Portis: Has averaged 1,134 in first seven seasons with three seasons of at least 1,500 yards. May need a Joe Washington-style scatback in the draft to spell him and Ladell, but this man is chasing Emmitt for the NFL All-Time record..

"Oh -- and there is no way the Skins would trade with Philly... My guess is a trade could be completed with the Jets(17), Tampa Bay (19), Detroit (20), or Minnesota (22); if Sanchez is still on the board at #13."

How do you think we got Sonny Jurgensen??

But, seriously, the FO should keep it simple and concentrate on bulking up the lines, period..

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "there is about a 50/50 chance of getting a bust with a top 5 QB pick (9 busts out of 20 with 2 tbd).To spend that kind of $$$ on a 50/50 chance makes no sense. By comparison, looking at LBs, the odds are about 10% that you get a bust (1 bust out of 14 with 1 tbd). "

But... but...
haven't you really just managed to demonstrate that it's quite a bit easier to draft a good LB than it is to draft a good QB? -- which is not the same as proving that teams shouldn't draft QBs in the top 5 picks?

Plus, ain't it true that QBs get paid a lot more than LBs, precisely because the position is so valuable to the team? Meaning that if you wanted one with really terrific potential, you'd expect to spend a higher draft choice on him, and pay him a lot more money than your rookie LB?

The point's not just to avoid a bust, but to find a star, right?

Don't forget there are 3 LB positions, t
obody argues that QB is more

Posted by: Samson151

First, the point is to draft a star, yes. But there is a huge difference if the player that's drafted is still productive ... or sets your whole team back because he's a complete bust. There were 9 of those (and its not like Vince Young is out of the woods). So yes, there is a difference between drafting a guy who you want to be a star and drafting a disaster. A huge difference.

That 'bust' gets multiplied if you pay him QB wages vs LB wages.

So, the risk on a QB is 5x higher and the setback is going to be worse. You go from low risk to very high risk. And what is the upside. Not that much.

Look at the stars.
At QB, there were 4/20 (mcnabb, McNair, Rivers and Peyton)

At LB, I get 6/14 (Suggs, Urlacher, Boulware, Farrior, Mayo and LaVar)

And I'm not reaching. Take a guy like Ernie Simms. I didn't put him in the great category and he's logged 125 tackles/year in his first 3 seasons. Fletcher has had 130/year as a Redskin.

Only Rivers and Peyton were even in the top 10 in QB rating. And its not like everyone is too old. Of the 20 QBs, Kurt Warner is older than all but 3 guys on the list (and none are more than a year older).

Bottom line, using high picks on QBs is a very high risk ... and the reward is relatively modest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

peri -- just using the filters on pro-football reference. Where those guys selected in the top 10?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009

Ware most certainly was but Thomas wasn't. Your filter won't work because sometimes college defensive ends are drafted to be converted to linebackers.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Guess we all must hope that Snidley the Owl changes his mind again before draft day and doesn't draft a Sanchez ...

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

My preference is for the Skins to keep the 13th pick and select an OT (A Smith/Oher) or try to trade down to #17-23 and select both an OL and SLB.

We can only hope siris ... A Smith would be the best of all but he may be gone by then ... he is in the top 3 in some rankings.

Posted by: periculum | April 10, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Well I see where you're coming from ZCE, and you've done a good job of supporting your argument, but I'd stick with my position on it, with 2 notes:

[1] I think there's far more QB "busts" at the top of the drafts than any other position simply because (a) teams that are desperate for QB's pick them too high (they get over-rated more than any other position), and (b) it's a much more complex position than the others, it's much harder to succeed in than LB.

[2] Even if I was to follow your strategy of mortgaging next year's #1 for this year's improvement (but again, I wouldn't do this... use 2 #1's... except for what appears to be a truly elite QB - not a "maybe" like Stafford - or MAYBE another position if the player looks like the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders, Jack Lambert, Reggie White, etc... and nobody's saying such things about Curry), it goes to my weak link, which is O-line, not the defense. So I'd take Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe, and work on building that wall that'll give the passing offense 2-4 more seconds per play and much bigger holes for CP, LB, etc, making all the skill players look like stars...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 10, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I have to think that, given the investment in Dock, the front office will think they've "done enough" for the OL this offseason... I'm afraid they aren't going to use that #13 pick to draft for critically needed top-flight O line depth.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 10, 2009 7:13 PM |

This is good. It would make no sense to waste a 13 pick on either Oher or Smith (Andre). Monroe and the other Smith won't be available. If they were it could be worthwhile to pick either. On the other hand, if Machlin is available he definitely would be a good pick, but he won't be at 13. The Skins should think about trading up to get him. It would look bad after wasting 2 picks last year on Thomas and Kelly, but Moss is starting to get old and injured, Kelly will never play because of knee problems (which were well known before the 2008 draft) and Thomas is one dimensional (speed) and will never be more than a #3 WR. But a WR with the skills that Machlin has is too good to pass up, especially if a team is serious about its passing offense. The other alternative is to pick Maualuga at 13.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 10, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/sports/basketball/09dribble.html

No way to go, living your last days in a dive hotel..Peace and god bless the dead..

Posted by: frak | April 10, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

What does this say? With complete clarity, it says:
You'd be a fool to use a top 5 pick on a QB.
Posted by: zcezcest1

Or, maybe it really says that teams that draft in the top five are perennial losers, lurching at the Next Big Thing in a desperate attempt to return the team to glory*. And when the supporting cast isn't there, the talent not good enough, the coaching staff under duress every three years, the QB is the one labelled 'bust'.

*Return to glory, like the Lions, right? When was that glory thing again?


Posted by: daggar | April 10, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The previous message should not be intended to defend QBs like "Rep." Heath Schuler, or Ryan Leaf, or Joey "because I don't deserve a grownup name" Harrington... my point is that WHEN whoever the Lions pick struts up to the stage, he'd better touch the Lombardi Trophy as he passes it on the way up... it's likely as close as he'll get.

Posted by: daggar | April 10, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess it could be worse than the Skins FO, right? We could have Matt Millen running the show...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 10, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

This is good. It would make no sense to waste a 13 pick on either Oher or Smith (Andre). Monroe and the other Smith won't be available. If they were it could be worthwhile to pick either. On the other hand, if Machlin is available he definitely would be a good pick, but he won't be at 13. The Skins should think about trading up to get him. It would look bad after wasting 2 picks last year on Thomas and Kelly, but Moss is starting to get old and injured, Kelly will never play because of knee problems (which were well known before the 2008 draft) and Thomas is one dimensional (speed) and will never be more than a #3 WR. But a WR with the skills that Machlin has is too good to pass up, especially if a team is serious about its passing offense. The other alternative is to pick Maualuga at 13.


Im befuddled by this comment...

The skins should not trade up for ANYONE period. Who are we? the Detroit lions? See where drafting wr's high continuiously got them? The team has to many positions of need to address to start giving up draft picks to move up for a wr. The team made its bed last year in draft the three recievers. Davis and Thomas may turn out to be very good, kelly's career might turn out to be a bust due to injuries. The redskins have had the lowest amount of players drafted in this decade. The problem with this org is that it throws away draft picks like there nothing, and to get who? A wr who will probably be a bust. The need for this team clearly is Oline, oline, oline, as the team gave up 38 sacks.
The best scenerio would be to trade out of the 13th pick and get multiple picks which the team would use to draft oline.

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "At QB, there were 4/20 (mcnabb, McNair, Rivers and Peyton). At LB, I get 6/14 (Suggs, Urlacher, Boulware, Farrior, Mayo and LaVar)"

Just the fact that there were 20 QBs drafted in the top five versus only 14 LBs should suggest to us that something's going on here other than simple math. Teams only have one starting QB. They have 3 starting LBs -- heck, a lot of teams rotate LBs, so it's probably more like 4.

What I'm wondering is if the numbers aren't skewing because linebackers aren't as valuable -- make that valued -- as quarterbacks.

Let's say you're a GM of a struggling team with a top five choice. The choice comes up between drafting the next (hopefully) Peyton Manning or the next (hopefully) Ray Lewis. Both involve some risk. Which risk do you choose to use your top five pick on?

You're saying the GM should draft proto-Ray and leave neo-Payton on the lot for the next buyer?

You know who drafts LBs that high? Teams that don't desperately need a QB. In other words, teams like the Skins when they grabbed Arrington.

I suspect once again it's hard to compare QB to any other position on the field -- and not just because they're slower than the other guys.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"you didn't just compare Colt Brennan to Tom Brady...did you?"

Go back and read what i wrote, its very clear that i never said that colt brennan is tom brady

Posted by: poname1984 | April 10, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

demarcus was 11th overall, thomas 31st.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 6:53 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Lots of comments regarding QB vs LB.

For me, I look at what history says. It says pro scouts are not that insightful about QBs and what they will be able to do as a pro.

Just to clarify a point. 14 LBs were selected in the TOP 10 from 1993-2008. 20 QBs were in the TOP 5. I changed it when I looked at the LBs so I'd get a decent sample size. Only 3 QBs were selected between 6-10 in that same timeframe -- Leftwich, Leinart and Dilfer.

You could make an interesting case about the psychology. Over 15 years, 20 QBs are selected btwn 1-5 and just 3 btwn 6-10.

To the case of "I have a choice of a guy who looks like the next Peyton or a guy who looks like the next Ray Lewis"

Who do you draft?

The odds say, pick the LB. Its much more likely that you'll wind up with a quality player. The upside of a Peyton may exceed the upside of a Lewis, but the downside risks (50% chance of a total bust) are also much higher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

peri -- you're right that the filter is by position and so it would miss players who changed positions. But ware and Thomas were not top 10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Also, on my Curry thinking -- I see him as the potential tipping point between good and elite. This defense has a lot of talent, a couple of positions that are risky, but just one major hole.

Take that one weakness and turn it into a strength and I think we'll be a lot better on defense. For years to come

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 10, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

If we take Sanchez imagine how old our Oline will be after this season.

NO QB will survive if we don't shore up the OT age/depth issue.

Dockery will help the run game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 10, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

If we take Sanchez imagine how old our Oline will be after this season.

NO QB will survive if we don't shore up the OT age/depth issue.

Dockery will help the run game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 10, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Dockery BETTER help... I wonder how he compares to when he left the Skins.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 11, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

from Ed Thomson ... interesting point here. USC's LBs are all getting rave reviews. Seems like maybe the guy in front of them might be a very big part of it.

USC's Fili Moala is both a kind and humble person and an aggressive warrior.

On the field, the 6-foot-4, 305-pound defensive tackle uses his size and strength to force his opponents to double-team him. This past season, the talented defender helped open up opportunities for the USC linebacker trio of Rey Maualuga, Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing to make more tackles.

Off the field, Moala is a somewhat soft-spoken, yet confident person who wholeheartedly embraces the personal responsibility for being an NFL player.

" I was raised by great parents who taught me right from wrong, who taught me to be true to myself and to be a standup guy," he said during a recent phone conversation. " I look forward to the day where I can be a contributor to an NFL team, active in the community, and someone who genuinely cares — because I think there just aren't enough people in the world today who really care anymore.

"Whether it's working with youth or anyone in the community, you have to realize that you're an example to people that you don't even know. I think all that comes into account when you take on the responsibility of being an NFL player."

On the field, Moala prides himself in being able to flip an internal switch that brings out the warrior in him. And when he does, that creates all sorts of problems for opposing offensive players.

"I think I'm one of the best, and I'm not trying to be cocky or put anyone else down, because there are some pretty good defensive tackles in this class," he said. "But I think I bring a certain skill set that is versatile, I play hard, I've got a motor, and I think I do all the things that a coach would want a defensive tackle to do.

"I think I'm kind of a raw talent right now, and once I get settled on a new team and put all my energy towards fine-tuning my skills, I'm confident that I'm going to produce for whichever team takes me."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we're getting Vick a little more than the league min.

Posted by: DCNative81 | April 11, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

my wish list... skins somehow move up and get Curry (impact player and future HOF).sign Kendall! scouts earn their pay by getting 2 very good OL for depth. I really like Pettigrew, as well with our 1st pick, based upon film and print. the offense would be explosive and just eat up clock possession wise if he was with us. ARE is a former qb so use him more as a trick play guy, wildcat, tamecat, or redscat. the east is there for the taking and the time is now! giants minus burress, girlies minus TO, & eagles have been gutted but still dangerous. Zorn needs to adapt to change better with play calling. Skins vs Patriots in SB if we can stay injury free. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | April 11, 2009 2:52 AM | Report abuse

zcezce: "It says pro scouts are not that insightful about QBs and what they will be able to do as a pro."

And I'd say you've hit it directly on the nose, Professor.

Worse news: the predominance of gimmicky offenses in college ball will make it harder still.

How do you evaluate a Colt McCoy or a Sam Bradford beyond simple measurables? Who plays an offense like that in the NFL?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

"Actually we're looking to move down and have someone that wants Sanchez move up into our spot.The problem is the 2 interested teams dont have anything great to offer (Minnesota and TB)"

I think you're right about moving down. For those who like the 'value' model (not everybody, the value is in the second and third round.

So if you could trade 13, perhaps, for a second and third rounder, they might do it.
Provided the choices were high enough.

On the other hand, after all the grief Vinny has taken on this blog about trading down last season, do we imagine he'd risk it again?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Are you not worried at how weka he performed doing relatively light bench presses? I don't remeber how many he did, but it was far too few for a big guy IMO. Either he's lazy, or weak naturally, and neither is good.


Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It is true that he bench pressed about 19 or 20 times, which is way below what some do(mid 30's). However, ASmith has the longest arms of any of the top 10 OT's in the draft. With long arms, the bench press is much more difficult. But with long arms, an OT can cover for a lot of mistakes or reach to a speed rusher. It is one of the most significant parts of being a good OT. This is a plus, not a negative, for ASmith.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 11, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

On the other hand, after all the grief Vinny has taken on this blog about trading down last season, do we imagine he'd risk it again?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 7:05 AM

I've heard that he has shed tears, more than once, after reading the comments on Redskins Insider. Good point that he'd never subject himself to that experience again.

This year he's trading up to grab Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "This year he's trading up to grab Sanchez."

I'm sure we'll find that's absolutely correct in the very near future. Because if it wasn't... no, the thought is too horrifying to comprehend.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 11, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 11, 2009 8:58 AM

Right! You chose "Redskins quarterbacks for 20 points."

And the question was: "What weak-armed Redskins quarterback will never be on the field during a regular season game?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

In the fold; GOLSTON, MONTGOMERY, ALEXANDER, GRIFFIN, HAYNESWORTH. And with a surfit of solid interior D-linemen, MONEYSWORTH at DE makes good sense. WYNN, DANIELS, CARTER - thin at that position.

Now we go get that franchise Q-Back that DANNY boy covets so much. With CAMPBELL still ready and willing and COLT BRENNAN in house does any other move make LESS sense? But with the attempts already made, I really believe SNYDER will make a ridiculous move in the draft at that position. He's not going to give up on the idea. He never does. And I leave the bag-man out of it since he's obviously carrying SNYDER's briefcase only.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 11, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Trick question with multiple answere T_Ev. No fair.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 11, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

'...Colt Brennan is the answer...'


And the question is, name the quarterback who, if he was all that, would've been drafted high in 2008 right along with Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

And he wasn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

'...This year he's trading up to grab Sanchez...'


We hope not.

But if this happens, the hope is the team immediately works out a trade for J Campbell, and inserts Sanchez in as starter.

Nothing is more annoying than watching a lameduck quarterback play and 'keep the position' warm for his replacement.

And then there's the possibility that the lameduck has a faboluous season: whaddya do then, leave a non-need pick on the bench?

If you draft Sanchez, trade Campbell so there's no confusion about who's running things on the field.

'Cuz we already know the folks running things off the field are the ones that are confused.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

If we sign Sanchez, I am going to turn off the television and sob quietly to myself...please no. No to Maulagu also, he is a MB and has too much baggage. I say sign in this order depending on availability.
1. Andre Smith
2. Michael Oher
3. Robert Ayers
I would also look to trade down if I could pick up a late first round and a 2nd.

No more players that make Snyder make a splash.....I am still wondering why one of the best players that could have made a splash was passed up on....can anyone say adrian peterson. Sure would have been nice to have him in the lineup.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 11, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"'...Colt Brennan is the answer...'"

I thought the panther was the anther.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I am still wondering why one of the best players that could have made a splash was passed up on....can anyone say adrian peterson.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 11, 2009 9:49 AM

Two words: Clinton. Portis.

The real question is why the Redskins weren't able to trade down instead of taking Laron Landry. Buffalo chose the second RB, Marshawn Lynch. They should have given their entire draft to jump up and grab Peterson before the Vikes got him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

So, if you want to play the "guess the Danny" game, come up with two lists: your top 13 players in the draft, and your top 13 players that fit the redskins needs.
When, at #13, there are still guys in the top 10 on the first list that aren't on the second list, that's when you have the chance to trade down.
Sanchez is a pretty good example -- let's say you have him at #8 overall, but not on the skins list at all. There are a half-dozen teams that could conceivably start him in September -- and with the money that #13 slot gets you, the contract won't be outrageous.

Posted by: daggar | April 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

In the end, Laron Landry will play more seasons than Adrian Peterson. Happy Easter, Passover, etc.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 11, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

20 QBs's selected in the top 5 picks 1993-2008

Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Carson Palmer
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Tim Couch
Michael Vick
donovan mcnabb
Akili Smith
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Heath Shuler
Drew Bledoe
Rick Mirer

Two others went in the top 10, Byron Leftwich and Matt Leinart.


So lets break it out
2 TBD guys: Young, Russell
9 Busts (or close to it): Carr, Smith, Smith, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, vick, Shuler, Mirer
5 Good QBs: eli, Palmer, Ryan, Collins, Bledsoe
3 Great QBs: donovan, McNair, Rivers
1 HOF Great: Peyton

9 out of 20 QB picks have panned out. 9 have been busts.
Only 4 have been great.


Interestingly, only 3 QBs were taken between 6-10 -- Matt Leinart, Byron Leftwich and Trent Dilfer.

What does this say? With complete clarity, it says:

You'd be a fool to use a top 5 pick on a QB.
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Please explain how Michael Vick was a bust? He went to multiple Pro-Bowls and led his team to the playoffs a couple times. Him getting arrested does not negate what he did while he was playing. He is no more a bust than Lavar Arrington.

Posted by: ecale25 | April 11, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows that the probowl is the biggest joke in the Nfl, its like making the allstar team in the nba... Vick was a bust, compared to the expectations he had coming in. Arrington however might have been a bigger bust. Im the biggest penn state fan out there but he lost so many games for the skins being out of postion.

Posted by: poname1984 | April 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

In the end, Laron Landry will play more seasons than Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 11, 2009 10:53 AM

In the end, Adrian Peterson will be in the HOF.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Vick was a bust, compared to the expectations he had coming in.

Posted by: poname1984 | April 11, 2009 11:29 AM

I expect all three of my children to be President of the United States. If they don't make it, are they busts?

You don't judge success relative to "expectations." If expectations aren't achieved then it likely means that the person who held them was unrealistic. And what can be more unrealistic than the expectations for pro football players entering the league, especially those selected in the first round?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

ecale25: "Please explain how Michael Vick was a bust?"

I was wondering the same thing. I imagine there are a few defensive coordinator in the NFL who are just glad the guy's behind bars where they don't have to face him on a Sunday.

Lots of people have noted his many flaws: the lack of accuracy, the impatience in the pocket, his inability to see over a scrum of defenders -- but those don't cancel out his obvious strengths.

The thing is, a team has to commit to building its offense around Vick, and that's a big risk -- suppose he gets hurt, or maybe gets interested in dogfighting?
It's not like there's anybody who can step in and do what he does.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

his inability to see over a scrum of defenders ...

The thing is, a team has to commit to building its offense around Vick...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:38 AM

And it would be even better if they'd commit to building their stadium around him. They have a pitcher's mound in baseball? Why not a quarterback's mound that would let Vick see over those pesky, tall defenders?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Arrington however might have been a bigger bust. Im the biggest penn state fan out there but he lost so many games for the skins being out of postion.Posted by: poname1984"

I don't know that's true, but so much depends on the scheme. Maybe they just used him more effectively early in his career, and he failed to adapt to changes.

Or maybe he got an attitude problem. That happens a lot in the NFL. Especially around contract time.

Either way, he provided some exciting moments for the viewers.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "In the end, Adrian Peterson will be in the HOF."

Wow, a second pronouncement. You must be standing on your Prognosticator's Mound, which allows you to see across the years into the future.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"You don't judge success relative to "expectations." "

True, except that almost everybody does. For instance, if one of your kids doesn't become PResident, somebody in the Libertarian Party is going to ask for a refund from the public schools.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

You don't judge success relative to "expectations." "

True, except that almost everybody does.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 11:50 AM

I don't think anyone does. Is Brady a great QB because of what he accomplished on the field or because he exceeded expectations? Is Bush seen as a bad President because he didn't meet expectations or because of what he did while in office? And Payton Manning--where does he stand? He has lived up to the high expecations everyone had. He didn't exceed them, but he didn't fall below them, either. Does that make him just kind of ordinary?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

AP might be an HOF RB, but he isn't even the only RB named Adrian Peterson at this point.
I like CP. He's fun to watch on the field and off. His numbers over the last few years, his performance, his impact to help us get into the playoffs, all tell me that he's an elite RB. But RBs aren't the critical players they may have been 25 years ago. Give me an elite QB, decent Oline, and a decent receiving corps, and I'll turn either AP into an effective RB.

Posted by: daggar | April 11, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think anyone does. Is Brady a great QB because of what he accomplished on the field or because he exceeded expectations? Is Bush seen as a bad President because he didn't meet expectations or because of what he did while in office? And Payton Manning--where does he stand? He has lived up to the high expecations everyone had. He didn't exceed them, but he didn't fall below them, either. Does that make him just kind of ordinary?Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Isn't that surprising -- that Peyton hss actually met people's expectations for him? Because about half the conversation in this blog is about how certain players or teams haven't.

Like the Skins' 'should have' finished better than 8-8. Or Vinny Cerrato has to go because his 2nd rounders failed to perform as second-roundeds are expected to. Or this or that player is a 'bust' entirely because he gets paid too much relative to the results his team produces.

Or drift on over to the basketball blogs and listen to people rant on about Ernie Grunfeld signing Arenas and Jamison to high dollar, long term contracts.

And we're about to spend the next year reading and hearing about whether Albert Haynesworth was 'worth' the money he's getting paid. Hardly ever will it accompany an objective analysis of his play. It'll be about whether the Skins win a title.

Any title, we're not picky.

What the Danster does with these plashy purchases is raise the fan expectations. ANd of course, that frequently bites him right in the hindquarters.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Samson,

I think that all the expectations/results comparisons you're making are criticisms not of the athletes, but of the people who expected them to perform better than they did: Cerrato, Grunfeld, and "the Danster." If Haynesworth doesn't measure up, people will be posting about Vinny/"the Danster" not about Haynesworth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"If Haynesworth doesn't measure up, people will be posting about Vinny/"the Danster" not about Haynesworth."

Guess we'll see, won't we?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

whooppppe "D" Poooppppeeee!!!!!I'm sure the rest of the NFC East is scared too death because he signed. Wow, just by the stroke of a pen the skins will win the East beacause he signed. Wow!!! Congrats to our fearless leder danny ##@@ for brains, and his stooge, Vinny "the Jackass". Stupid ##!!@@!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | April 11, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Allen Iverson is the Answer

The "answer" to our problems is almost certainly not Colt Brennan but I love the blind faith (emphasis on blind)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 11, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

why do Colt Brennan fans think that the FO made a more accurate decision drafting him than all the other terrible decisions? Some draft picks will work out, (I hope), but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I'm not a big fan of JC, but going to Colt seems a bit desperate to me.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please explain to me why I should be so excited about Andre Smith? Wasn't he the one that showed up at the combine over-weight and completely out of shape, was doing poorly in events so he packed up and went home early? I've also read where he is a HUGE bust potential, kinda like Tony Mandarich. Ofcourse "bust potential" fits the 'Skins modus operandi. Everyone seems to think that OL is bulletproof in the draft, but I don't hear anyone singing the praises of Chad Rhinehart.

Posted by: wagman1 | April 11, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd also like to hear from others that have more time to research these things, what Tampa bay and Minnesota have as draft choices, and/or players to trade? It's obvious the FO doesn't want JC, and both those teams need QB's. Any chance a trade occurs with those teams?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please explain to me why I should be so excited about Andre Smith? Wasn't he the one that showed up at the combine over-weight and completely out of shape******

I posted something like this earlier and one answer was his arms are very long and that makes bench pressing harder. It is an obvious asset though to O-linemen. I guess the weight room could always get him stronger, but I'd prefer a kid that has always been a gym rat getting strong. Too bad The guy from Baylor will be long gone.......

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please explain to me why I should be so excited about Andre Smith? Wasn't he the one that showed up at the combine over-weight and completely out of shape, was doing poorly in events so he packed up and went home early? I've also read where he is a HUGE bust potential, kinda like Tony Mandarich. Ofcourse "bust potential" fits the 'Skins modus operandi. Everyone seems to think that OL is bulletproof in the draft, but I don't hear anyone singing the praises of Chad Rhinehart.

Posted by: wagman1 | April 11, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

3 yr starter in SEC, Outland Trophy winner, 1st team All-SEC last 2 years. By the way, SEC is year in and year out the best conference in football.

Nasty run-blocker, called a road-grader. Plays with attitude.

Forget the combine, look what he does on the field. To me, the most impressive thing about the combine numbers is his arm-length, which is lnogest of all OL at combine. Gil Brandt wrote an article on the importance of long arms in OL, especially OT. Also said that long arms reduce the # of bench presses one can do.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 11, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

How is Vick NOT a bust? The guy may have played his last down at the age of 27. Even if he does get back in the league, it's doubtful he'll ever be a starting QB again. Never went to a Super Bowl. Given his immense talent, I think he can only be described as a bust.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 11, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

How is Vick NOT a bust?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 11, 2009 2:05 PM

He has been in three Pro Bowls -- 2002, 2004, 2006. What percentage of NFL QBs, especially from a team like Atlanta, do you think get to play in three Pro Bowls? I'm guessing it's less than five percent. So, if he never plays another down, he accomplished a lot, too much for me to consider him a bust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

3 yr starter in SEC, Outland Trophy winner, 1st team All-SEC last 2 years. By the way, SEC is year in and year out the best conference in football.

Nasty run-blocker, called a road-grader. Plays with attitude.

Forget the combine, look what he does on the field. To me, the most impressive thing about the combine numbers is his arm-length, which is lnogest of all OL at combine. Gil Brandt wrote an article on the importance of long arms in OL, especially OT. Also said that long arms reduce the # of bench presses one can do.

Posted by: frediefritz

Dead on analysis of Andre Smith. Perfect fit for the Skins at #13. It seems more and more like he won't be there. What's your analysis of Michael Oher?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Dallas Sartz?

Posted by: temunley | April 11, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Arm length article.

Looks like Beatty may be a better value than Britton in the 2nd half of the 1st round.

I'd still be happy with Oher at 13.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 11, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Dallas Sartz?

Posted by: temunley | April 11, 2009 2:40 PM

Sartz, from USC where he was co-captain of the team, actually was a bust. He's currently a "free agent." I.e., delivering pizzas, flipping burgers, or brokering mortgages. After the 'Skins cut him he had brief stints at Minnesota and Seattle.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If someone could flip burgers, deliver pizzas, and broker mortgages at the same time, that would be impressive.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 11, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Scout.com compiled the results for the Skins at 13 from 40 top mock draft sites. Here are the results:

Andre Smith OT, Bama (picked 11 times)
Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss (picked 8 times)
Brian Cushing (picked 5 times)
Rey Maualuga LB, USC (picked 3 times)
10 others picked less than 3 times out of 40 total drafts

Scout.com’s Draft Simulation (which claims to be more representative of the actual draft process) selects Aaron Maybin.

Five "experts" at CBSsports.com picked the following: Everett Brown DE, FSU / Michael Crabtree WR, Texas Tech / Andre Smith OT, ‘Bama / Robert Ayers LB, Tenn (twice)

This CBS Sports mock compilation is one of the only ones (out of dozens) that has Crabtree going to DC.

HOpe they draft down.


Posted by: Holehoggin | April 11, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping the Redskins never, ever have a player named "Dallas" on their roster again. The cognitive dissonance is just too much to overcome.

Examples of other names with unpalatable ingredients that proved unacceptable to the Skins' roster:

Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards
Andre the Giant
Cardinal John O'Connor
Raven-Symoné

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 11, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I would be cool-EST with Smith, Oher, or trading down to Beatty,
Britton and a G/C

I would be cool with a DE or LB, or even CB

I'm NOT cool with QB, WR, RB, DT, S, K, P, TE

how bout yous?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Please explain how Michael Vick was a bust? He went to multiple Pro-Bowls and led his team to the playoffs a couple times. Him getting arrested does not negate what he did while he was playing. He is no more a bust than Lavar Arrington.

Posted by: ecale25

ecale -- if you want to move vick from bust to good, go ahead. He was exciting -- at times effective -- but pretty erratic overall.

Doesn't really change my basic point -- that picking a QB with one of the 1st 5 picks is a big risk and close to 1/2 are busts. Picking an LB is much less likely to result in a bust.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Scout.com compiled the results for the Skins at 13 from 40 top mock draft sites. Here are the results:

Andre Smith OT, Bama (picked 11 times)
Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss (picked 8 times)
Brian Cushing (picked 5 times)
Rey Maualuga LB, USC (picked 3 times)
10 others picked less than 3 times out of 40 total drafts

Scout.com’s Draft Simulation (which claims to be more representative of the actual draft process) selects Aaron Maybin.

Five "experts" at CBSsports.com picked the following: Everett Brown DE, FSU / Michael Crabtree WR, Texas Tech / Andre Smith OT, ‘Bama / Robert Ayers LB, Tenn (twice)

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 11, 2009 3:18 PM

When you think about what's wrong with "mock drafts," a glaring omission is that none of them predicts trades. Last year on draft day there were eight trades. Three teams (Washington, Green Bay, Philadelphia) traded out of the first round completely, giving three other teams extra first round selections. The other five trades changed the order of first round selection.

But that's 16 picks out of 32 -- half the first round -- that weren't even made by the team that the "mock" had been premised on. So, shouldn't these "mock" drafts, especially one that claims to be "more representative of the draft process," have spotted a few of these trades?

These mockers know nothing. They should be up here blogging with the rest of us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If someone could flip burgers, deliver pizzas, and broker mortgages at the same time, that would be impressive.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 11, 2009 2:58 PM

Instead of making the minimum wage they'd make three times the minimum wage.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else sick of these pirates already? Blow their little boats out of the friggin water.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

so it becomes wht do YOU think we should do?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

He has been in three Pro Bowls -- 2002, 2004, 2006. What percentage of NFL QBs, especially from a team like Atlanta, do you think get to play in three Pro Bowls? I'm guessing it's less than five percent. So, if he never plays another down, he accomplished a lot, too much for me to consider him a bust.
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Pro Bowls do not mean anything at all. Its all about fan voting in the NFL. All pro is generally a barometer of whether an nfl player was good or not. FYI the only reason Vick ever made the probowl is because his name was hyped and for some fancy running moves he had that the fans liked. Was he ever an all pro QB or anything close to that--absolutely not. He could never grasp the postion as a passer. He was the first pick in the nfl draft and one who is now out of the game (although he may be back as part of a wildcat scheme)--he is now safely considered a bust. Not a crazy bust like audray bruce but a bust nonetheless

Posted by: poname1984 | April 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

And in two weeks, a record nine players will be in New York for the draft. Via FoxSports.com's Alex Marvez:
The list includes three tackles (Baylor's Jason Smith, Virginia's Eugene Monroe and Mississippi's Michael Oher), two quarterbacks (Georgia's Matthew Stafford and Kansas State's Josh Freeman), two linebackers (Wake Forest's Aaron Curry and Southern Cal's Brian Cushing), Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.
from fanhouse

No andre smith no sanchez

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sure, anyone can be a bust in the nfl draft like tony mandirich, audray bruce (linebacker drafted 1 overall by Alanta), but that shouldnt stop the org from drafting the postion they need the most, the one that is most vital to the development of a young qb, the oline.

The skins already brouught in and spent 100 mill on haynesworth to upgrade the defense. For that amount of money he should make the LB's five times better. Now im not saying thats whats going to happen, but the org has gotta assume that thats going to be the case with haynesworth to JUSTIFY the money they paid him.

Drafting defense should be outta the question with the 1st pick. Trading picks and FUTURE picks to move up to get a player higher up in the draft should BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. The team needs as many picks as it can get due to the amount of holes this team has along its entire OLINE and various other postions.

The FO has to stop consistently mortgaging/ruining the team's future by trading away draft picks to other teams or to move up.

The team should look to draft oline at 13 or trade down for multiple picks, those would be the best scenerios

Posted by: poname1984 | April 11, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

poname: "The skins already brouught in and spent 100 mill on haynesworth to upgrade the defense. For that amount of money he should make the LB's five times better."

Now that's what I call an expectation of a player.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah,

I'm pretty sick of the pirates too...

Can't the Navy SEALS sneak up on em' from underwater and kill em'. I thought it was situations like these that special forces are trained.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Andre Smith OT, Bama (picked 11 times)
Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss (picked 8 times)
Brian Cushing (picked 5 times)
Rey Maualuga LB, USC (picked 3 times)
10 others picked less than 3 times out of 40 total drafts.Posted by: Holehoggin"

Hey, what happened to Mark Sanchez?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick was not a bust! He beat the Packers at Lambeau and advanced to the NFC Championship.

When you talk about busts we're talking Health Shuler, Ryan Leaf...they have nothing to dispute otherwise.

Vick wasn't a traditional QB.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

poname: "Was he ever an all pro QB or anything close to that--absolutely not. "

Nah, you're looking at what he didn't do, rather than what he did. Sure, he was no threat to Brady or Manning as a passer, but he was arguably (even probably) the best runne-passer in NFL history for a season or two there. It's as if he was playing a different position than the typical NFL QB.

Take his last season -- 2006 -- not his best year at all, but look at what he managed to do:

Start all 16 games
Complete 204 of 388 passes for 6.4 yards per attempt
Pass for 20 TDs against 13 INTs, even with 45 sacks
And for the finale: Michael Vick rushed 123 times (7.6 times a game) for 1039 yards and a per-carry avg. of 8.4.

Exactly who do you compare him to? Has there ever been anybody like this in the NFL? Steve Young early in his career? Vince Young, someday?

If Vick hadn't made those Pro Bowl teams, there'd be a lot of folks on this blog arguing that he should have. With reason.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

'...Colt Brennan is the answer...'

And the question is, name the quarterback who, if he was all that, would've been drafted high in 2008 right along with Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.
And he wasn't.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 11, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse
C'mon , man, great players emerge from the lower rounds all the time- Chris Hanburger was taken in the SEVENTEENTH, back when they went that high..

"Yeah,
I'm pretty sick of the pirates too...
Can't the Navy SEALS sneak up on em' from underwater and kill em'. I thought it was situations like these that special forces are trained."
I think that was what the captain was hoping for when he jumped in the water, a .40 caliber sh*tstorm that never came..

Wouldn't be surprised if Sanchez isn't taken, that Vick gets signed for league minimum- he's good buddies with Portis, bad drug-habit of dogfighting aside (I hate dogfighting, but he did grow up with it and musta seemed normal)..Certainly would be a JOLT to the offense, and Cooley is better than the TE he threw to all the time in Atlanta..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

How is Vick NOT a bust?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 11, 2009 2:05 PM

He has been in three Pro Bowls -- 2002, 2004, 2006. What percentage of NFL QBs, especially from a team like Atlanta, do you think get to play in three Pro Bowls? I'm guessing it's less than five percent. So, if he never plays another down, he accomplished a lot, too much for me to consider him a bust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

"Career cut short due to character issues" spells Bust to me.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Can't the Navy SEALS sneak up on em' from underwater and kill em'. I thought it was situations like these that special forces are trained.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 4:25 PM

That is so Hollywood.

Remember when Carter tried to rescue the hostages at the US Embassy in Tehran? The helicopters broke down in the desert and they had to be rescued. This is how it works in the real world.

But, the good thing is that the pirates have seen all the movies of Navy SEALS and are too young to remember Carter's fiasco, so they are looking over the boat for SEALS.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

These mockers know nothing. They should be up here blogging with the rest of us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 4:01 PM
===========================================
Matt McGuire has updated his mock draft today.

#8 Denver Broncos: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
TRADE! Last year, I hit the first trade in the 2008 NFL Draft on the money as the Saints moved up with the Pats to select Sedrick Ellis. I know Josh McDaniels has said he likes Kyle Orton, but Orton is signed on for just one more year, and I don't see the Broncos extending Orton's contract anytime soon. I think Sanchez is McDaniels' guy, and he will make a move up for him. The Jags are desperate to get out of this pick, and they will jump at the first opportunity to trade down.

He has us picking Oher at 13, Andre Smith goes to the Chargers at 16, and *surprise* B.J. Raji falls to the Texans at 15.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 11, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Iagree, I don't see Sanchez falling past the Broncos, but IT'S POSSIBLE if Danny mortgages the proverbial draft house for a coupla years..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what happened to Mark Sanchez?
Posted by: Samson151 | April 11, 2009

So far, only Kiper makes that pick. Only Kiper. That's what makes it interesting ... kind of verifies his "insider connection" to the Redskins methinks.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

But, the good thing is that the pirates have seen all the movies of Navy SEALS and are too young to remember Carter's fiasco, so they are looking over the boat for SEALS. Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009

Somalia was Clinton's fiasco: see "Blackhawk Down".

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

These mockers know nothing. They should be up here blogging with the rest of us. Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009

Unlike the mockers, here we can smell a rat. Why would Kiper who bases his entire career on prognosticating about this draft make Sanchez the Skins pick?

We all know why, now don't we?

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Career cut short due to character issues" spells Bust to me.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2009 5:23 PM |

To you and a few others up here. You dismiss the three Pro Bowls and put him in the same group as Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler, and then feel good about yourself because you can't tell the difference between sh1t and shinola.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please explain to me why I should be so excited about Andre Smith? Wasn't he the one that showed up at the combine over-weight and completely out of shape

As stated the guy has extra long arms very useful in pass protection. But even more the guy is the BEAST on the field. Think O-line version of Haynesworth or ... Jacoby and Lachey. The guy loves to maul people in the running game ... just crushes them. Makes them think twice about trying to slide by him on passing downs.

If not for the character issues he would be the #1 pick in this draft. If you can get him properly motivated at left, right tackle or guard your running game will improve. He will need to learn better technique for pass blocking but with his desire to emulate Chris Samuels, that's right Chris Samuels I don't think that will be a problem for Buges.

Thus the perfect 1st round pick for the Skins. Snidely can get a QB next year, he has Colt and Campbell. Guess the Stellars are going to resign Leftwich and leave Batch out in the cold.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

To you and a few others up here. You dismiss the three Pro Bowls and put him in the same group as Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler, and then feel good about yourself because you can't tell the difference between sh1t and shinola.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009

A lot better choice than Sanchez if he gets reinstated that's for sure. Much more mobile and better arm. Surprised Snidely isn't going there first?

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Beatty may be a better value than Britton in the 2nd half of the 1st round.
I'd still be happy with Oher at 13.


Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 11, 2009

The thing about trading down is that they do need more than one ... definitely more than one. Tackle, Guard, Center. Is more better? Andre' Smith would be like getting a Haynesworth for the offensive line. With him at left tackle, Samuels career gets extended at right tackle and he gets to mentor the kid. Now with two young guys in Dockery and Smith on the left Portis should do a lot better in the 2nd half. If he doesn't run out of gas as he did last year. On the right Randy Thomas and Samuels.

Remember those end-around, and trick plays that never seem to work (except once with Devin Thomas)? With Smith they might just work most of the time. He's pretty nimble and fast.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

That is so Hollywood.

Remember when Carter tried to rescue the hostages at the US Embassy in Tehran? The helicopters broke down in the desert and they had to be rescued. This is how it works in the real world.

But, the good thing is that the pirates have seen all the movies of Navy SEALS and are too young to remember Carter's fiasco, so they are looking over the boat for SEALS.

Posted by: talent_evaluator ****

do you have any military events to reference that had postive endings?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

If not for the character issues he would be the #1 pick in this draft. If you can get him properly motivated ********

Sounds like Devin Thomas to me. Well, maybe not #1 in the draft, but issues and having to motivate him.... enough of those type of guys.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

on whether vick belong in the bust or good QB category ... I don't have a dog in that fight.

Real issue, where this started, is that so many top 5 picks used on QBs turn into busts ... or guys that are pretty modest in their accomplishments.

Compare to LBs taken highly, where there are few busts and 80-90% of the guys are solid pros ... or better.

Which is why I'm saying Curry if we trade up, not Sanchez.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Form the BEAST blog:

Mike in Louisville, Colo., you have the first word: In Kiper's latest mock draft, he has the Redskins picking Mark Sanchez with the 13th pick. Why, why, WHY would the 'Skins pick Sanchez there? They need a starter with that pick and they already have a good starting quarterback. They need help on both lines. In fact, if all of their top choices are gone and Sanchez is still there, they should trade down in the first round and pick up a second round pick from someone who needs a quarterback more. And if the 'Skins were stupid enough to pick Sanchez there, does Jason Campbell's head explode?

Mosley: I think some folks might disagree with you on Campbell, although I'm not one of them. The Redskins are sitting there praying that Brian Orakpo from Texas slips to No. 13. My former colleague and world-famous draft expert Rick "Goose" Gosselin has Orakpo going to the Redskins in his first of three mock drafts. I don't think the Redskins will take Sanchez either, but keep in mind that Kiper is a Ravens season-ticket holder and he's also plugged in pretty closely to the Redskins. So let's not completely dismiss the most famous mocker of them all.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

do you have any military events to reference that had postive endings?
Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009

Unless you have a major invasion in the offing you don't call the US military. Too much infighting over budgets, credit etc. See Blackhawk Down for our last attempt to do something about Somalia using the embassy. Brand new embassy in Mogadishu in complete ruins.

Answer: call in the Israeli's they seem to be very effective at this sort of thing with these sorts of people. They owe us more than a favor or two.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Periculum

You might like to read A Century of War by William Engdahl.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 11, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The answer is as always: Priest Holmes.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are going to trade up for anyone, I'd say trade up for Andre or the stud from Baylor at OT..Skins become a threat with HALF the sacks against them last year..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that is true the answer is me.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 11, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Unlike the mockers, here we can smell a rat. Why would Kiper who bases his entire career on prognosticating about this draft make Sanchez the Skins pick?

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:50 PM

He got on my bandwagon. I've been calling this since the Cutler trade didn't go down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

do you have any military events to reference that had postive endings?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 6:08 PM

World War II

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 11, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

That's one serious good thing you gotta say about Mr.Andre Smith, he does'nt look like the steroids shooter type, he looks like real raw strength, pardon my cynical big mouth, my bad..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind the Skins picking Sanchez if they didn't have such few picks.

I know some of you are worried about little Jason Campbell's feelings getting hurt.

I think if Sanchez is there you deal, and trade back for a second rounder.

Damn...I should be a GM!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

If the Somali pirates are holding all the cards and make off with some major cash, then what does that say about us?

Next thing you know, they'd hijack the Spirit of Washington!


Where's John Rambo when you need him!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Damn...I should be a GM!
Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009

Ganked some fotys?

Posted by: priestholmes | April 11, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Dead on analysis of Andre Smith. Perfect fit for the Skins at #13. It seems more and more like he won't be there. What's your analysis of Michael Oher?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse
pabrian, I like Oher, but I think he is a step down from ASmith. He has good feet, is a four year starter in the SEC. He doesn't have ASmith's reach, but he will be good. I would be comfortable taking him at #13 if we can't trade down and get an extra pick. I think I would prefer 2 interior lineman to Oher. With trading down, we might get Alex Mack and Duke Robinson, or some similar combination.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 11, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

If the Somali pirates are holding all the cards and make off with some major cash, then what does that say about us?

Next thing you know, they'd hijack the Spirit of Washington!


Where's John Rambo when you need him!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse
They are out there and ready to go, trust me on that. Just waiting for the go-ahead from the administration. Are they capable of pulling this off. Ohh, yeahhh!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 11, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

No negotiations with terrorists or pirates. Try a night time save of the capt, but if it fails, you shred the pirates to bits. Need to make a statement about it. Make them think twice before trying that sh*t again.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

No negotiations with terrorists or pirates. Try a night time save of the capt, but if it fails, you shred the pirates to bits. Need to make a statement about it. Make them think twice before trying that sh*t again.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 11, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Damn...I should be a GM!
Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009

Ganked some fotys?

Posted by: priestholmes | April 11, 2009 7:49 PM

Dude gots a grill and be rollin on foties.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 11, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

When Andre Smith levels someone, is it called a Moob Job?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 11, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are going to trade up for anyone, I'd say trade up for Andre or the stud from Baylor at OT..Skins become a threat with HALF the sacks against them last year..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 6:54 PM

Which HALF you sayin? Not the half that were attribbes to the QB's "failure to launch" syndrome?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 11, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

6 INT's..But, I hear ya, we're the high-priced NY Yankees WITHOUT THE FARM SYSTEM, real sh*tty drafts, nothing created from within, why we're so hard on Danny and Vinny...

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to save the captain, but he may have to take one for the team...(sorry)

Posted by: rickyroge | April 11, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

If someone could flip burgers, deliver pizzas, and broker mortgages at the same time, that would be impressive.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

I think the current economic crisis started when someone got confused and started brokering burgers and flipping mortgages.

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Examples of other names with unpalatable ingredients that proved unacceptable to the Skins' roster:

Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards
 Andre the Giant 
Cardinal John O'Connor 
Raven-Symoné

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Nate, you were just getting started....

Seattle Slew

Diego Maradona

Annie Oakley

Bob or John Denver

Nathan Detroit

Jersey Joe Walcott

Joe Walsh or any other member of the Eagles

Walter, John or Anjelica Huston

Minnesota Fats

The band Steeler’s Wheel

Tony Bennett, who like Stubblefield, also left his heart in SF

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, "nothing" as a figure of speech, of course, several have scored as hits, Gholston is great to have signed, and Horton was a smart pick, would love to see Colt, Devin, Sleepy, Rhinehart and Malcolm step up, just sayin'..BE REASONABLE!! all we are sayin'..

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Corky, wow!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 11, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Steely Dan still gets my goat..."Aja"...But, YOU GO BACK, JaCK, DO IT AGAAAIN...

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I take it Indiana Jones wouldn't make it either. Or Buffalo Bill. Or anyone named Bill. Come to think of it, why isn't a requirement for Buffalo players to be named Bill. And is there a dumber nickname is sports than bills? I mean, who likes bills? Speaking of which ... time to pay my bills. Yuck

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 11, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

well, dudes, we all believe in hearing THE WHOLE STORY, right, D.C. Post, so try this underware on for size..

http://www.infowars.com/you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates/

Posted by: frak | April 11, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I like Oher, but I think he is a step down from ASmith. He has good feet, is a four year starter in the SEC. He doesn't have ASmith's reach, but he will be good. I would be comfortable taking him at #13 if we can't trade down and get an extra pick. I think I would prefer 2 interior lineman to Oher. With trading down, we might get Alex Mack and Duke Robinson, or some similar combination.

Posted by: frediefritz

I could handle trading down and getting a 2nd tier OT and a 1st tier G/C. With 2 interior lineman though we still don't have any OT's.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 11, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

The band Steeler’s Wheel

Tony Bennett, who like Stubblefield, also left his heart in SF

Posted by: TheCork | April 11, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Alice. Dallas Alice. And I been from...

Steeler's Wheel, was that a Gerry Rafferty vehicle? I think Tom Rafferty was a Cowboys lineman, and a pretty good one.

Still hatin' in Smacktown, haters.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 12, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Guess the Stellars are going to resign Leftwich and leave Batch out in the cold.
Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 5:57 PM

If this is true, Batch would make a much better back up than Collins, IMHO.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 12, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Wille,
Glad you made it back over the bridge last night. Sorry that Nate couldn't make it.

Little Stumped is all fired up about the Draft and wants to watch it. Can't think of anything more boring, but ....we'll see.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 12, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
Lemme get this straight.

Are you suggesting that the Skins should go after Curry?

/sarcasm off

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 12, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

"...Batch would make a much better back up than Collins...Posted by: RedskinWillie"

Why? He's not a West Coast QB. He's less familiar with the offense than Collins.

No, if Collins goes, looks like it would have to be a contract move of some type.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

"Good news. Golston was better than Griffin last year, I'd expect a 3 man rotation in any case. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Golston wasn't better, he was healthier. That counts, of course. If Griffin breaks down (that shoulder), it will be Montgomery and Golston who carry the load. That's not a bad move.

I doubt the Skins are doing it intentionally, but they seem to be overdeveloping their DL like the Giants have done the last couple years. Perhaps hoping to put more pressure on the QB without having to blitz a safety or linebacker. That would help them in pass coverage, of course. The more pressure you can get from the front line, the more turnovers you're likely to create for other players...

The Jints have been able to survive with a mediocre secondary that past couple years. NY is looking to improve that. The Washington secondary, by contrast, has been something of a strength, even with Shawn Springs hurt. If Hall, Rogers, and Smoot are able to cover the receivers, and Landry gets some help from the other safety position, we could see an increase in INTs that would mean a couple more victories.

Or not, of course...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Stay away from A. SMITH and USC players in general.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

'....we're the high-priced NY Yankees nothing created from within...'


The Yanks have 'nothing created from within'?

Let's see:

Derek Jeter (HOF)
Mariano Rivera (HOF)
Robinson Cano (All Star)
Jorge Posada (All Star)
Andy Pettite (4 rings)
Alfonso Soriano (traded away All Star)
Chien Mien Wang (multiple 19 game winner)
Mike Lowell (traded away All Star)
Joba Chamberlain (a star in the making)

I don't think the comparison works, bro'. The Washington Redskins have squandered picks and don't draft for need when they have them.

That's the better comparison to the Yanks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget those two O-line players on the TENNESSEE STATE squad. OG CORNELIUS LEWIS and NEWTON, the center. Fifth round pick for Lewis and FA offer to NEWTON.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

And GREG TOLER in the sixth round. Other than DUKE ROBINSON, I'm not stoked about any other interior O-lineman in this draft. There's plenty of talent flyin' under the radar at the G/C positions which can be had in the late rounds or in FA.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

peri:

Absolutely better with CURRY than SANCHEZ, but I digress from reality.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

And GREG TOLER in the sixth round. Other than DUKE ROBINSON, I'm not stoked about any other interior O-lineman in this draft. There's plenty of talent flyin' under the radar at the G/C positions which can be had in the late rounds or in FA.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse
I like several interior lineman...Mack, Unger and Wood would all fit into our line quite nicely. And we could easily get one if we trade down from #13. I'm not familiar with your Tenn State linemen. What do you have on them?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 12, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

peri:

Absolutely better with CURRY than SANCHEZ, but I digress from reality.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse
Hopefully you digress!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 12, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

well, dudes, we all believe in hearing THE WHOLE STORY, right, D.C. Post, so try this underware on for size..

http://www.infowars.com/you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates/

Posted by: frak *****

Interesting story. I have always said, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I don't know how to check the validity of any of that story.

I do think we (We= U.S. and Europe together) ought to go there and turn it into a vacation destination all along the coastline. It could be another resort paradise. That way, we'd have a vested interest in keeping the waters clean and it would create jobs for the Somali's. Plus as owners, it could create stability in that region.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Leftwich signed with the Bucs...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

..pretty rancid unaware, eh??

I think the word "with" got deleted in "we're the NY Yankees WITH nothing created from within"..What I mean is , we're the high priced Yankees without their scouts and ability to find homegrown talent and develop it- too dependent on free agency. The Yankees do both well, we seem to favor free agency because Daniel doesn't want to spend the yeast on a good scouting system- or is just painfully ignorant...

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Leftwich signed with the Bucs...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 12, 2009 10:40 AM

That's a much better situation for him. The Redskins offered him nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I do think we (We= U.S. and Europe together) ought to go there and turn it into a vacation destination all along the coastline. It could be another resort paradise. That way, we'd have a vested interest in keeping the waters clean and it would create jobs for the Somali's. Plus as owners, it could create stability in that region.


Posted by: lsskinsfan |


Yeah, with a radioactive half-life of about 3 million years, chicque tourists can showoff the latest in "Radioactive Zombie"-wear, as their decaying rotten flesh drops off their bodies onto the Somalian sand..

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, with a radioactive half-life of about 3 million years, chicque tourists can showoff the latest in "Radioactive Zombie"-wear, as their decaying rotten flesh drops off their bodies onto the Somalian sand..

Posted by: frak ****

If you would read the post you linked us all to, (which again, remains yet to be verified) you would recognize the two different areas the story references about 2000 miles apart. I would love to have this story verified though.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 12, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I doubt it would be in the mainstream media, that's for sure..Silverstein said,"Pull it"..

How 'bout them Hogs??

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

+++When you think about what's wrong with "mock drafts," a glaring omission is that none of them predicts trades.


These mockers know nothing. They should be up here blogging with the rest of us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++

I've always said "The Mocks are always wrong." Check the big "experts" from last year, and compare to the actual picks. If they get 3-6 right in the first round, it's a miracle.

This year because the website I'm on has a contest for its columnists, I did my first Mock ever. Mine was one of the few mocks that feature self-mockery over accuracy because I still believe the Mocks are always wrong, and mine will be too--so why not have fun with it?

After the Cutler Trade I went back to update my Mock and this is where you realize how complex it is. i ended up changing about half the picks, just because of one trade.

So predicting trades too (which a few mockers do) is preposterous.

And now the skins have signed Golston so my Peria Jerry pick for the 'skins is wrong and I have to revise it again.

It's harder than bracketology.

Http://www.tinyurl.com/corkmock


Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I've always said "The Mocks are always wrong."

[Have you ever gotten anyone to take the bait and argue the opposite: that the mocks are always right?]

After the Cutler Trade I went back to update my Mock and this is where you realize how complex it is. i ended up changing about half the picks, just because of one trade.

[Hope you save both versions, see which was more accurate, and let us know what you learn retrospectively from the exercise.]

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2009 11:44 AM |

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Philly needs a top flight tackle, they lost both of theirs.

They pick at 22 and 27 give or take 1 spot.
We already traded with them last year, so we give them 13 and 2nd or 3rd (prob not) next year and draft a cushing/mauluga and alex mack. We only have haynesworth for 4 years, and the core of this team is only going to be around for about 2 or 3, so doesnt it make sense to get our rookies this year instead of next, accelerate the process by a year, especilly because this years class has what we need

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 12, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

To you and a few others up here. You dismiss the three Pro Bowls and put him in the same group as Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler, and then feel good about yourself because you can't tell the difference between sh1t and shinola.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

First off, please indicate where in my post I put Vick in the same group as "Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler"? I specifically said "career cut short due to character issues spells Bust to me." At no time did I deny his athletic skills or Pro bowls.

I would compare him to Arrington, also a very talented athlete, who's career was cut short because of stupidity and lack of coachability (which went back to JoPa), plus injuries.

But "Bust" has various interpretations. For instance, I don't think of Vick as a Playboy Bunny, but when I first think of Bust I think of a nice rack, not a football player busted (oops) for dogfighting.

As to your suggestion I feel good about myself declaring Vick a Bust... No! I just feel awful. I couldn't feel worse. I'm considering therapy and I have you to thank for pointing it out.

As for knowing "Sh!t from Shinola"... I DO TO know the difference. Shinola runs you about $2.49 at the drug store. The other stuff is available for free on various lawns, but doesn't give nearly as good a shine.


Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

[Hope you save both versions (of your Mock), see which was more accurate, and let us know what you learn retrospectively from the exercise.]


Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 11:53 AM |

I already know that, t_e.... I've learned they're a nifty way to waste time and/or entertain myself.

Also, to be serious, it's a little bit like Chess. Every move affects others down the line.

They also showyou how little you know about 31 NFL teams. We all obsess here on the redskins--yet dont' know who they'll take. But when you come to predicting what a team you don't follow carefully will do, you're reminded how complex the whole draft process is.

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Answer: call in the Israeli's they seem to be very effective at this sort of thing with these sorts of people. They owe us more than a favor or two.

Posted by: periculum | April 11, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

yea....good luck with that. for the record, I agree, they do...but again, good luck with that

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 12, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"The Mocks are always wrong." Check the big "experts" from last year, and compare to the actual picks."

You're suggesting s NFL Draft show I'd like to see.

It would be nice if there was a show where all the alleged draft 'gurus' were put on the spot about some of the players they yammered about within a 3-5 year period after they were drafted.

Who'd look like a guru then?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Kazakhstan's Steppe Cowboys in Assy Plateau

from the online WAPO. I thought it was funny in a Beavis and Butthead sort of way....

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 12, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'd share my mock with you, but you'd just mock it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

'...But "Bust" has various interpretations: re, M Vick....'

Hands down, Mike Vick is a draft 'bust' if there ever was one.

Yes: he made 3 pro bowls--and he should have considering how the likes of ESPN constantly ran highlights of him evading tacklers, but never any of him over-throwing receivers.

The guy was basically Reggie Bush playing quarterback.

He was a pro bowler as he sold more jerseys than god.

He'll be in the league again, but you have to wonder at what cost to the franchise that takes him back into the NFL fold.

Perhaps the second time around, he won't be such a dog about his career.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Vick is not a "bust" in the draft sense. Once you sign that second contract, you have already either succeeded or failed as a draft selection.

Vick succeeded. He was a 3-time pro-bowler, put his team on his back and took them to the NFC Championship, and consistently led the best rushing team in the league, largely due to his unmatched ability as a runner from his position.

As a $130 million QB, he's a bust. 100% unmitigated bust. Any way you spin it, he didn't live up to those expectations.

It's the same thing with Tony Romo or David Garrard. Both QBs far exceeded expectations from where they were (or weren't) drafted. They aren't or can't be considered busts as draft picks. But once they inked their signatures to that $60 million contract, their draft positions were thrown out the window. Now they have to live up to their contracts. And so far, the returns aren't too promising. And even though they both have far exceeded draft expectations, they very well could be seen as busts two or three years down the road.

So as Cork, said, "bust" is open to interpretation. And being a contract bust is not the same as being a draft pick bust.

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

update
that former steeler qb that we had in .well he just signed a two year deal with tampa

So it looks like JC will be it at least for this year any way

can some one say 3-13 this year

Posted by: joevick | April 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Arrington complained about the medical treatment he received from the Skins- J.Taylor also..It's true, ignorance is manifest in many ways in an organization when the dudes at the top are confused..

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I've always said "The Mocks are always wrong."

[Have you ever gotten anyone to take the bait and argue the opposite: that the mocks are always right?]

After the Cutler Trade I went back to update my Mock and this is where you realize how complex it is. i ended up changing about half the picks, just because of one trade.

[Hope you save both versions, see which was more accurate, and let us know what you learn retrospectively from the exercise.]

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2009 11:44 AM |


Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse
I actually enjoy reading the mocks, and find some value in them. But it is not who goes where that is significant. I have looked at a number of them, to see who the first 12 selections are likely to be. Actually, I suspect out of those 12, probably 8-10 will be chosen, but there will be a couple of surprises.

I analyzed the first and second mocks of Steve Wyche, Jamie Dukes and Charles Davis of www.nfl.com. About 10 out of 12 are the same choices, just to different teams. So I figure most of those will be gone by the time we pick.

Remember, these guys are informed, but do not necessarily have all the info they need. However, the GM's making selections don't have all the info either. There are plenty of busts in the top 60 picks, and some all-pros go undrafted, like Joe Jacoby. That's why draft day is so interesting. I suspect that early picks are also influenced by teams other strategies, which may not be known to us, such as switching CWilson to SLB. There may be other strategies in place that we don't know about. The scouts may have identified a strong CB from a small college that the team plans to take in rd. 6 or 7, so it passes on a better known CB in rd 3 or 4.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

'...Vick is not a "bust" in the draft sense...'

I meant 'bust' in the dog groomer sense.

To be honest, I never liked what the guy did as a player. What was his completion rating the last year he made the pro bowl 50 something%--that's about what Brunell was doing at the tail end of his career.

I think that the Falcons team as it was composed during the 'Vick' years who've really profited form a classic traditional quarterback.

He'll come back into the league and make a fine punt returner, special teams guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, good point, Falcons are definitely taking off without Vick..It just shows how a team can become totally addicted to the status quo, only to be pleasantly surprised with the injection of the right player and the right situation. Vick will play again, with Count Davis in Oakland, maybe..

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yey! Leftwich signs with Bucs!

I rather pull Danny Wuerfful out of retirement than sign Leftwich!!!

Posted by: filmchis | April 12, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Philly needs a top flight tackle, they lost both of theirs.

They pick at 22 and 27 give or take 1 spot.
We already traded with them last year, so we give them 13 and 2nd or 3rd (prob not) next year and draft a cushing/mauluga and alex mack. We only have haynesworth for 4 years, and the core of this team is only going to be around for about 2 or 3, so doesnt it make sense to get our rookies this year instead of next, accelerate the process by a year, especilly because this years class has what we need

Posted by: DaFunBunch

But then we still need an OT. We could draft 5 high quality interior lineman and we would still need an OT.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Hmm I see the Chiefs signed another LB - Zach Thomas - I wonder if that'll affect their alleged interest in Aaron Curry, as predicted in so many mocks... and therefore the rest of the draft ordering. Of course he and Vrabel are pretty long in the tooth.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

But then we still need an OT. We could draft 5 high quality interior lineman and we would still need an OT.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 1:53 PM
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You can't always get what you want.

But sometimes, you get what you need...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Hmm I see the Chiefs signed another LB - Zach Thomas - I wonder if that'll affect their alleged interest in Aaron Curry, as predicted in so many mocks... and therefore the rest of the draft ordering. Of course he and Vrabel are pretty long in the tooth.

Posted by: chasgiffen

I hope the Skins feel the same way. By signing Monty, Wynn, Daniels, Golsty, and Thomas, plus converting Wilson to OLB we suddenly have depth on our 4th ranked D.

Hopefully on draft day OT will be too good to pass up.

I am a Campbell guy, but whoever the QB is let's protect him!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya

those stones lyrics work for both of us.

even if Samuels has 2 years in 'em 'n Jansen has 1 more:

we need 1 OT next year, and 1 OT the following.

We may not be selecting #13, with 4 good OT's on the board, in either of those years.

You want interioir guys, but sometimes you get what you need, like OT's

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, don't get me wrong...I want an OT!

Hence all my statements about being happy with Oher at 13.

But, we don't necessarily get everything we want this year. If the interior of the line were stronger, it would be easier to help the OT who couldn't quite do his job (*cough* Jansen *cough*).

Or at least Campbell could step up into a pocket to avoid that outside rusher, instead of also having the pocket pushed back into his face.

This is another reason why I'd like to see us get Alex Mack. There's going to be good tackles to draft every year.

A center like Mack doesn't come around very often...yet because the position is not accorded a high value, he'll probably go late in the 1st round (I don't believe the Steelers will pass on him with 32nd pick, if he's still there).
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 12, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more... Would love to see the Skins get Mack or Unger, if they can't get one of the "top 4 OT's"... obviously by trading down, and in doing so get a solid 2nd-tier OT in addition to Mack/Unger. That would absolutely make my draft day.

Let's build that wall that'll make the entire O perform far better... maybe give us an additional touchdown each game...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 12, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

'...we still need an OT....'

A young center, right guard prospect would satisfy as well.

Hopefully, such a player is the third round choice, a slb being the 13th pick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Poll at Redskins.com about moving up to Zeke's Elite D status:

"What puts the Redskins' defense over the top?

A pass-rushing defensive end

59% (6058)

A play-making outside linebacker

25% (2583)

Another top cover cornerback

4% (443)
With Haynesworth, 'D' is already there!

9% (947)

Other answer

2% (217)"

Posted by: swowra | April 12, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins offense scored more points, that would make the defense better.

If the Skins O-Line wasn't a bunch of guys who have done great things over the years, but are now looking retirement in the face, the Skins offense would score more points.

Shouldn't that be one of the poll questions?

P.S. The butterfly effect.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 12, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Trade the #13 overall pick to a team wanting to move up to that spot for as many picks as we can get, and then draft the most guys with the biggest upsides that we can at various positions.

Posted by: TheDr5544 | April 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Trade the #13 overall pick to a team wanting to move up to that spot for as many picks as we can get, and then draft the most guys with the biggest upsides that we can at various positions.

Posted by: TheDr5544 | April 12, 2009 4:10 PM

Finally, the Doctor, has articulated the principles of Draft Success that the rest of us have never been able to put together so clearly.

Thanks, Doc!

Can you also help us out with some meds?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya

We did win with Heyer and Fabini at left and right, although, it was 10-3 and Jackson dropped 2 bombs.

With the addition of Dockery and the ages of Samy and Jany taking a G or C would be like taking a DT instead of a DE

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

a DE would put our D over the top, maybe.

This would have to create turnovers to make the O better.

very possible, unless we have an injury at CB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Trade the #13 overall pick to a team wanting to move up to that spot for as many picks as we can get, and then draft the most guys with the biggest upsides that we can at various positions.

Posted by: TheDr5544 | April 12, 2009

Finally, the Doctor, has articulated the principles of Draft Success that the rest of us have never been able to put together so clearly.

Thanks, Doc

Can you also help us out with some meds?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009

TE, I think a lot of use have already expressed (at least I have), that this is probably the right strategy given the number of holes that have been left behind in the wake of the Haynesworth. And he is after all one guy, if he is suspended or goes down? Then what?

The only way to get the picks they need is to both trade down and mortgage some of the future using next year's picks.

Right move given the current situation and the fact the salary cap situation could get significantly worst next year.

The problem still remains ... the top picks are Snidely picks, the bottom picks are likely carbon copy faxes of Mel Kiper's picks by Vinnie, except the Horton who was the choice of an intern.

You can't give Vinny more picks to screw up. You can't give Snidely top 1st and 2nd round picks to screw up. There is no longer a Joe Gibbs to bring some sanity to the situation.

And Moe, I think you are wrong ... NO SLB if any one of those four left tackles are there. The linebacking situation is "patched" with Thomas and Wilson in the mix. The DE situation has been "patched" with Daniels and Wynn.

But the OL situation is still very much on the critical list. There is no way they can go into next season and expect to improve on last year's record without drafting an Andre Smith (preferable) and a guard/center type.

Heyer just isn't a starter. He was in there when the line collapsed. He is a better than adequate backup and swingman. Jansen is no longer a starter. Thomas, Samuels with their age and injuries. Rabach is a decent starter but not great and he has no backup.

The focus has to be on the OL unless by some miracle Curry (not Orapko because of injury problems) falls into their laps at #13.


Posted by: priestholmes | April 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

A pass-rushing defensive end
59% (6058)

They have TWO: Andre Carter and Rob Jackson.
Both are reasonably healthy and whole. One is
just past his rookie year.

And WAIT, most of the snaps with Tennessee by
Haynesworth were at defensive end!!!

And you have two young tackles now signed and in the fold to come in while Haynesworth takes snaps at end.

They HAVE NO OL. NO OL. That is why they finished 2-6 at the end. NO OL.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 12, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

ery possible, unless we have an injury at CB
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009

If Smoot starts they're dead ...

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Happy Easter everyone!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 12, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm not Smoot hater like some others. He's not a franchise corner, but a good tackler and a decent cover guy. You could do much worse than Fred.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 12, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Happy Easter!

The Nats are 0-6, the area around the stadium is shuttered because of the economy, the wizards are the wizards and Ponytail Dan is still making the picks at draft time ...

well the Caps make for some good news ...

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

A pass-rushing defensive end
59% (6058)

They have TWO: Andre Carter and Rob Jackson.
Both are reasonably healthy and whole. One is
just past his rookie year.

And WAIT, most of the snaps with Tennessee by
Haynesworth were at defensive end!!!

And you have two young tackles now signed and in the fold to come in while Haynesworth takes snaps at end.

They HAVE NO OL. NO OL. That is why they finished 2-6 at the end. NO OL.

Posted by: priestholmes

agreed. even if you take DE at #13, there is no gaurantee he will give you the 10+ sacks 59% of fans are dreaming of.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Smoot is tough has heart and is an over achiever!

My point is they shoudn't take DE unless the top 4 OT's are off the board. And, consider LB and CB in this scenario!

I like Smith and Oher

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

if we don't get A TOP 4 OT I'm for trading down for the next best OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

That is so Hollywood.

Remember when Carter tried to rescue the hostages at the US Embassy in Tehran? The helicopters broke down in the desert and they had to be rescued. This is how it works in the real world.

But, the good thing is that the pirates have seen all the movies of Navy SEALS and are too young to remember Carter's fiasco, so they are looking over the boat for SEALS.

Posted by: talent_evaluator ****

I guess the military did a pretty fair job this time too eh TE?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 12, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Happy Easter everyone!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 12, 2009 5:55 PM
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Bunny hugs for all!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 12, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

For me, plan#1 is Curry.

If that fails, plan #2 would be to get the OT I think is most likely to succeed. Or perhaps the 2nd most likely to succeed. Or any OT that succeeds. But I would move up, if needed, to insure I get the right OT for this team.

Plan #3, I look at DE, guard or center. I probably stay at #13 for the DE, would likely trade down for a C or G.I would also consider a DT if the thinking is Albert will be a DE more than DT. But I don't know the thinking. I'm not clear if Albert is better as DT or DE. I thought he was best as a DT, but not cure of that. Either way, I'd put him at his best spot and leave him there.

Any use of of ANY of the Skins picks on DBs, QBs, RBs, TEs, kickers of any sort would be malpractice. We can look at a WR, since its pretty unlikely that both Kelly and Thomas will be keepers. Plus Thrash is nearing the end.

Bottom line remains ... lots of positions will be changing in the next couple years and 5 draft picks aren't likely to fill many holes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If the top 4 OT's are off the board at 13 - and we have no trade partners, we should look at DE Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers, or OT Duke Robinson or LB's Clay Matthews or Connor Barwin or C Alex Mack in that order of preference depending upon who still is on the board, IMO.

I'm just not sold on the other USC Backers - but I do know that any of these players could be an opening day starters and be a force for a decade barring freak injuries.

This draft is rich with OT's and we need a right sider soonest, so picking up Beatty, Meredith or Loadholt in the third round would not be the end of the world.

We can pick up good CB depth in the 5th round with a guy like Keenan Lewis or Ladarius Webb (crazy speed). Either should challenge for that nickel/dime CB spot.

In the 6th round, if he's still on the board, you have to look at OT Alex Boone 6'7" 328 starting LT for Ohio State. Yeah, he got stupid with a bottle in December, but I get the feeling a guy like Jansen could straighten him out proper in no time.

In the 7th round, I would take Gregg Carr just because I like 6'6" receivers who can catch and run.

There you go.

And Happy Easter to those who believe in Bunnies...

Posted by: edvar | April 12, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

For me, plan#1 is Curry.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2009

Best of all would be Charlie Casserly's final hurrah ...

DejaVu: Redskins select LaVar Arrington AND
Chris Samuels.
begets
Redskins select Aaron Curry AND
Andre Smith.

2 big birds one big stone errr draft ...

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess the military did a pretty fair job this time too eh TE?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 12, 2009 8:26 PM |

They sure as hell did. Life imitates --no exceeds -- Hollywood! I guess it's the difference between having Obama and Carter as Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

In the 7th round, I would take Gregg Carr just because I like 6'6" receivers who can catch and run.

How about an extremely smart receiver (who can learn the damn system in training camp!!!) who is extremely tough over the middle, very tall, has above young James Thrash speed with all of his desire at that age.

Ramses Barden: 6'6" 229, Cal Poly SLO.
ranked grade: 56, ranked by receivers at #26.

Overall Football Traits

Production 2
2004: Cal Poly red shirts Barden. 2005-'08: Barden starts 46 consecutive games. He catches a total of 206 passes for a total of 4,203 yards and 78 touchdowns. His numbers are impressive but lower level of competition is factored into production grade.

Height-Weight-Speed 2
Prototypical height and bulk but marginal top-end speed.
Durability 1
Four-year starter that didn't miss any games with injuries.
Character 1
Shows great worth ethic both on and off the field.

Separation Skills 4
Size is built-in separation. Uses wide frame to shield defenders from the ball and wins a lot of jump balls. Takes too long to get in and out of breaks. Had problems separating from man coverage at the Senior Bowl and going to have an even harder time separating from man coverage in the NFL. Likely to have problems getting a clean release working against press coverage.

Ball Skills 2
Big hands (10.5') and long arms (33.6'). Good body control and can adjust to poorly thrown ball. Plucks the ball out of the air and away from his frame. Can catch balls thrown over his head. Occasional lapses in focus result in atypical drops.

Vertical Speed 3
Doesn't show a second gear when tracking the ball downfield and can't stretch the field when gets slowed down at the line of scrimmage. However, steadily builds speed and tracks the ball well so more of a vertical threat the timed speed suggests.

Run After Catch 4
Catches the ball in stride, smooth turning upfield and tough to bring down in the open field. Can ruin defenders' pursuit angles with long strides but not elusive enough to make defenders miss and lacks breakaway speed.

Competitiveness and Toughness 2
Not afraid to go over the middle, throws weight around and fights for the ball when isn't able to separate from coverage. Adequate stalk blocker. Could work harder to sustain blocks but he does a better-than-adequate job of getting into position and shielding defenders off.


Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg Carr: 6'5" 212, FSU
ranked grade 30, ranked by receivers at #40

Overall Football Traits

Production 2
Carr appeared in 12 games during his true freshman season in 2005 finishing with nine touchdown-receptions, 30 receptions and 618 receiving yards. He appeared in all 13 games of the 2006 season finishing with 12 touchdown-receptions, 34 receptions and 619 receiving yards. Carr started seven of the 12 games he appeared in during the 2007 season finishing with four touchdown-receptions, 45 receptions and 795 receiving yards. He also missed one game with an injury in 2007 (see durability). 2008: Carr plays in 13 games and finishes with 39 receptions for 542 yards and four scores.

Height-Weight-Speed 3
Though he would do well to add some weight, his prototypical height gives him room to do so. Timed-speed is below average, even for his size.

Durability 2
Carr missed one game with a wrist injury in 2001 but he has stayed relatively healthy otherwise.

Character 3
Carr plays hard and has steadily progressed over the course of his first three seasons at Florida State. Still, he has yet to reach his full potential and it doesn't seem like he pays great attention to details.

Wide Receiver specific Traits

Separation Skills 4
Long-strider who rounds too many routes off and doesn't explode out of cuts. Will build speed as he goes and uses size to create separation in tight quarters. But he isn't as physical at the line as size suggests and can get slowed down working against press coverage. Does a decent job of locating seams when reads zone coverage.

Ball Skills 4
Shows adequate body control for his size and flashes the ability to make acrobatic catches but doesn't always time jumps well. Traps ball with pads rather than snatching it out of the air and can drop passes that should catch.
Vertical Speed 4 A fluid long-strider who will win some jump balls. But he lacks good top-end speed and he takes too long to get in top-gear.

Run After Catch 4
Runs hard but isn't going to make many defenders miss in the open field and doesn't show great explosiveness after the catch.

Competitiveness and Toughness 3 Inconsistent blocker that plays with a narrow base and isn't physical enough but has made some strides in this area. Gets adequate hand placement and works at sustaining once locked on. While needs to time jumps better competes for jump balls knows how to get away with subtly pushing off. Isn't afraid to go over the middle and can hold onto the ball after taking the big hit. (see third quarter touchdown catch against UAB in 2007)

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

They sure as hell did. Life imitates --no exceeds -- Hollywood! I guess it's the difference between having Obama and Carter as Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009,

Me thinks more likely that its tried and true, proven combat experience in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, perhaps even a bit of Iran.

Big difference from last foray into Somalia. Plus a MUCH, MUCH larger force on station off the coast for the mission. Starting with the nuclear powered surface light missle cruiser Bainbridge.

Hmmmmm ... hate to use that old canard ... but the prez is a black guy who's father is not african-american ... instead he is a true African from Kenya. Wonder if it makes a difference if he call for another police action to finally resolve the Somalia issue?

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

They sure as hell did. Life imitates --no exceeds -- Hollywood! I guess it's the difference between having Obama and Carter as Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009

Iran is a much bigger country ... and that mission was right into the middle of the place. Somalia is smaller and much weaker ... more of a gangster country. What was Bill Clinton's excuse for screwing that one up? Wasn't he was the last president to try to do something about Somalia.

Posted by: periculum | April 12, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

zceace: "For me, plan#1 is Curry."

Only thing is -- I imagine someone has already mentioned this -- Curry's no pass rusher.

Not to say he couldn't be, just that he isn't.

As opposed to, say, Brian Cushing or Orakpo.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Quick question. Why wouldn't the Redskins right now lock Campbell up with a long term deal. Right now they could get Campbell rather cheap on an extension. Campbell will not come out and have a flop year. He is just not a careless with the ball throw a bunch of interceptions type QB. At worst Campbell basically has the same season he has this past year in 2008-09. My point is that what if Campbell comes out this year and lights it up?? Then to keep him it will take a huge contact ect ect. But if you lock him up now with a modest contract and he comes out and has another OK year you can at least then trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pic and get some value for him. This way we either spend much more money signing him next year or we just let him go on the free market and get no value for him. Makes zero since to me.

Posted by: TheReporter | April 12, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't the Redskins right now lock Campbell up with a long term deal.

Posted by: TheReporter | April 12, 2009 10:33 PM

Because they don't have the cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 12, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Per

I'm talking about a 7th round spec pick. Of course I'd take Ramses, but he's gonna be gone mid-late second round. Carr is a guy you take as a flyer in the late rounds to see if he develops. He averaged 14 yards a catch, so he's worth a look as a 6th rounder. Sort of a "specimen" pick that may work out well or not at all.

Posted by: edvar | April 13, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Rep,
Even if they had more caps space, (seems like they can always clear more caps space if they really want to doesn't it?) I think they seem the contract year as raw motivation for JC.

It also seems clear to me that if Campbell doesn't come on strong this seasons, the FO will cut bait and go in a new direction.

My question is what will constitute a successful season for the FO? A playoff run, wild card, division championship?

Or will winning 9 games do?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 13, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

As much as I like Campbell, I would not lock him into a long term deal. Campbell has been average at best, but with mediocre talent around him, so I give him a pass....


Depsite the FO haters, it's really Campbell's contract to lose!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 13, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

So, Six Flags was delisted.

BUT, they are in going on the up and shouldn't have to file for bankruptcy. The problem is with the debt load.

So, TE, do I fail because they were delisted? Or should we wait till August? If you get delisted, can you be re-enlisted?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 13, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

So, TE, do I fail because they were delisted? Or should we wait till August? If you get delisted, can you be re-enlisted?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 13, 2009 2:14 AM

I thought your prediction was that the stock would recover and would rise above $1, so that could still happen.

You can be listed again, although I don't know if you get a big IPO day where Dan Snyder would ring the opening bell on Wall Street.

Captain Richard Phillips will ring the bell before Snyder does. Only way Snyder rings the bell is if terrorists seize Redskins Park and Dan steps up big and says "Take me. Let Vinny and the team go."

Maybe in a parallel universe that will happen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 13, 2009 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Only way Snyder rings the bell is if terrorists seize Redskins Park and Dan steps up big and says "Take me. Let Vinny and the team go."

Maybe in a parallel universe that will happen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 13, 2009 6:09 AM

Word is they're adding that to Franchise mode on Madden.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 13, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

what's that sound?


it's the sound of the Nationals being SWEPT by the Braves!!


Braves/Fish starts Tuesday, yall might wanna tune in to watch some real baseball!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 13, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

'....Why wouldn't the Redskins right now lock Campbell up with a long term deal....'


Because the only sure thing about him is uncertainty.

Too many things have to go for him to have a break out year.

Then, you have to imagine the front office has some very high standard for him to match in order to be 'shown the money.'

The best path to answering the uncertainty is not through the draft. The team should make sure Campbell has the best situation possible to prosper in in, and make it's decisions regarding his performance once next season ends.

If it decides to draft Mark Sanchez, then we fans have to hope Campbell is traded away, and the rookie is given the starting job on day one.

No one wants to sit through a season of watching a player the team didn't need to draft--when it has other needs-- sit on the sidelines while Campbell plays lameduck q-back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 13, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

thetruth

'...Braves/Fish starts Tuesday, yall might wanna tune in to watch some real baseball!!'


Whereas I'm not a Marlins fan, they are very damn good.

The sad thing is I click on their games and all you see is orange/aqua blue seats waiting fo rthe bandwagon fans that will show up come early October should the team reach the NCLS.

'Cuz you know they will.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 13, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

indeed MistaMoe, indeed.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 13, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

let's get this straight

keep Campbell this year, don't extend him


sign Vick to vet min when he becomes available, let him and Portis work out together for one full off-season

Vick is our starting QB


move up to draft Crabtree

draft OL next

that it???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 13, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

PERI:

I like BARDEN if in the third round or lower. LAWRENCE SIDBURY JR. at three and convert him into an OLB. Sidbury played some of his career as a stand up DE. I was thinking of AARON KELLY WR from CLEMSON late, maybe our comp #7 if he's still around. Take a look at CORNELIUS LEWIS from TENNESSEE STATE. I like him in the fifth round if he's still on the board. AND, same squad, CECIL NEWTON C in FA. GREG TOLER CB in the sixth. MICHAEL OHER in the first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 13, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

First Round - TE
Third Round - P
Fifth Round - TE
Seventh Round - Trade for someone else's backup P (only if he shows a lot of promise)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 13, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I may be way behind on this one but Byron Leftwich is signing witht the Bucs

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 13, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

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