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Graham Gano tries to forget the last kick

On Sept. 20, Redskins placekicker Graham Gano missed a 52-yard field goal in overtime that would have beaten the Houston Texans. Sunday against the Green Bay Packers, Gano nailed his first kick, a 26-yarder, but then left a 51-yarder wide right.

"I was glad to had the chance to redeem myself on that," Gano said.

He actually had two chances. Gano's 45-yarder with 1 minute, 7 seconds remaining sent Sunday's game into overtime - at least after Packers' kicker Mason Crosby had a 53-yarder bounce off the left upright with one second remaining.

"I'm so pumped up when overtime comes because you have an opportunity to win the game like we did out there," Gano said. "It's just getting that opportunity, getting in field goal range."

An interception by safety LaRon Landry helped put the Redskins in that position. Gano's goal in such a situation: Dismiss those previous kicks gone awry.

"I think as a kicker, if I want to be successful, I have to forget about the kick," Gano said. "On that last one, it helps if I make that kick, everybody forgets the big miss. I think right after I miss a field goal, sure, I'm mad. I think everybody's mad. I think it's good I can just forget about that kick and focus on that next one."

That he did. His 33-yarder with 8:06 remaining in overtime won the game for the Redskins.

"I didn't really see it go through at all," he said. "Coach [Danny Smith, who runs the special teams] has been telling me to keep my head down. That's a key factor in whether I make or miss a kick. My whole thought process going out there was just keep my head down, follow through and just stay square."

Gano is now 11 for 14 on field goals this season.

By Barry Svrluga  | October 11, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Graham Gano  
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FIRST to point out that Gano is Spanish for "I win"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Great win yesterday, friends.

Once again, the Skins took advantage of a team that made dumb decisions that cost them the game. We're picking up the pieces of yet another close loss if GB takes the easy 3 points in the 1st quarter instead of going for the jugular on 4th and goal. Every bit as stupid as the play in the flat before halftime of the Dallas game.

For the 2nd week in a row, we beat a team up physically to the point that they had to resort to backups of backups to finish the game. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked to see another Packer get hurt on the plane ride back to Wisconsin.

At this point of the season, we're just trying to figure out what we're doing and ANY win is welcome. We would have lost a game like this a year ago, and progess can be seen in the fact that we're taking advantage of these gift games. If we luck our way into a 5-3 record into the bye week, and play as well as I expect us to down the stretch, I LOVE our chances of making the playoffs--and making some noise once we're there.

Damn it feels good to be a Redskin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Keim's "Quick" Thoughts:

1. Little plays were huge. Sometimes you forget them, but they played a huge role in a comeback like this. It was only a 10-point comeback, but it felt like a lot more. Anyway, Rocky McIntosh going over the top to stuff Aaron Rodgers’ sneak in the second quarter, setting up a fourth and goal. The front did its job on the play, allowing no penetration vs. a good Packer interior. This set up the fourth down play in which Lorenzo Alexander defended the pass. But, don’t forget, the reason he was in position to do so is because Rodgers was under pressure from Brian Orakpo. Had to throw it a bit sooner. There was also Brandon Banks’ 30-yard return to set up the first touchdown. And Jeremy Jarmon’s stunt in which he was in Aaron Rodgers’ face. That prevented Rodgers from getting a clean look and forced an accurate passer to throw to the wrong shoulder, where LaRon Landry was waiting.
2. Adjustments helped out. Green Bay was doing a lot of shifting at the last minute, causing problems for the Redskins’ front. Other teams do that, but the Packers front is a little more athletic so it made a difference early. The Redskins eventually were able to start picking up more stuff thanks in part to the line calls by center Casey Rabach. Yes, he has his issues, but teammates swear by his calls. It helped that Clay Matthews, Jr., was out – especially late in the game when he could have taken advantage of a banged-up front. The Packers were impacted by injuries, but the Redskins also didn’t have a potential impact player in Albert Haynesworth.
3. Never count out McNabb. He’s the guy in basketball who could miss his first 10 shots, but who still has the confidence of everyone on the team for the 11th. McNabb just makes plays when plays need to be made. OK, not all the time. But today was a perfect example of his career: he missed a lot of throws early, throwing high and wide and then tossing the obligatory skip passes (where he tries to throw with the ball starting in front of his body rather than back a little). But when the Redskins needed him, he was there. McNabb is definitely better the more he’s challenged. This is the offense’s identity for now. They can’t run the ball consistently and probably won’t all year. So the best thing they can do is put it in his hands. That’s what they did in the fourth quarter, throwing on 15 of their 18 plays. McNabb threw for 192 yards in the fourth quarter and overtime. Oh, and it helped that Anthony Armstrong was open by about 10 yards vs. slow-footed safety Charlie Peprah, allowing McNabb to underthrow him yet still get a touchdown pass.

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

continued...

4. The Redskins have an issue with their line. It’s not just the injuries, though their depth will be tested. Even if Trent Williams and Jammal Brown can play next week, I have a feeling this isn’t the last time the reserves will be needed. Call me crazy. But Kory Lichtensteiger is better suited at center down the line than guard. He doesn’t pack a lot of punch and, though he scraps, he is not the best athlete either. Makes it tough when he fails to recognize a blitz, as he admitted, and can’t recover to even bump guys off-line. It’s not just him as there’s a lot of penetration on running plays all along the line. Makes me wonder what Derrick Dockery is not showing them, though I do have an idea. He’s not the best at picking things up either and Lichtensteiger is said to have better feet. Tough to bring up negatives after a win, but this will remain a problem.
5. The defense won with creativity. Aaron Rodgers gets rid of the ball very fast, which is why he entered with only five sacks. But if you let him sit in the pocket he’ll pick you apart. The Redskins, though, did an excellent job in the second half of doing something important: causing a moment’s hesitation in the pocket through various looks. They constantly were switching their linebackers around, maybe more than in previous games. Brian Orakpo spent more time on the left side than in most games; sometimes they’d have three linebackers aligned on the outside. Other times Orakpo would dash from one side to another at the last minute. And he got his big sack in the fourth quarter rushing from right end (lining up wide). It wasn’t just the linebackers, but as the secondary varied its looks as well. The strategy worked as Rodgers was sacked three times in the fourth quarter and overtime after getting sacked once in the first three quarters. By the way, I'm not mentioning LaRon Landry here because a separate story was done on him. Just in case you wondered.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Five-quick-thoughts-Redskins-16-Packers-13-104679449.html#ixzz122mD3aoj

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to point out that Gano is Spanish for "I win"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:05 AM

Spanish is tricky. When it's pronounced, gaNO -- with the accent on the second syllable -- it's Spanish for "you won."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Landry leads the D
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/10/10 9:43 PM EDT

Sometimes you try to come up with a fancy lead to describe a player’s big day. You want to make it stand out. You want to make it sing.
But why bother with this for LaRon Landry.
So, here goes: He’s a stud.
That’s my lead on him and it’s darned appropriate. Landry is playing as fast and aggressive as almost any Redskin defender in some time. It’s the way LaVar Arrington was before his injuries and the way Sean Taylor was before he died.
“He’s a great player, man,” teammate Brian Orakpo said. “He’s playing at a very high level, a Pro Bowl type level. He’ll continue to make a lot of plays for us. This defense fits him to a T. I hate for him to get so much scrutiny throughout the years, but this year look out for 30 because he’ll continue to make plays.”
Yes, he will. This isn’t just a good start for Landry; it’s a trend. He makes plays; he set up the game-winning field goal with an interception. That play sort of typifies his growth. Landry, coaches say, has become more of a student of the game.
“We saw that pass concept run the whole game,” he said. “But they never threw it. When they finally threw it, I just made a great read on the ball…. I let the receiver cross my face, either he would have caught the ball and I would have hit him or I would have made an interception.”
It helped that Jeremy Jarmon was in Aaron Rodgers’ face and forced a bad pass. But it also helped that Landry was exactly where he needed to be.
Earlier in the game – second play in fact – Landry forced a fumble with a crunching hit of tight end Jermichael Finley (knocking him from the game). Kareem Moore recovered.
Landry is so important because his speed enables him to play deep or start shallow and disguise coverages. It’s the same way Gregg Williams used to use Taylor (albeit at free safety). Take advantage of the speed to cause a little hesitation by the quarterback.
And Landry is strong enough to beat bigger blockers when he blitzes.
“He amazes me, to be honest with you,” coach Mike Shanahan said. “I’ve been around a lot of players in my career and to watch a guy play that hard and that consistent week after week … He’s fast, he’s a hitter and he loves to play. It’s a pleasure to watch him and he’s that way every snap.”
Landry is playing with a hunger that you really couldn’t see the past couple years when he played free safety, as much out of necessity as anything. He’s not perfect and is prone to miss tackles on occasion, but he really hasn’t taken that many bad angles to the ball as he had in the past.
Landry has to do it for a whole season. But through five games it’s safe to say that he’s been the Redskins best defensive player. Heck, has anyone on the roster been more consistent?
And when they needed a play, he made a couple.
As Orakpo said, “That’s what playmakers do.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Landry-leads-

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Great win yesterday, friends.

Damn it feels good to be a Redskin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:07 AM

Good post, Brownwood. Not quite on a level with Keim, but better than Reid or Maese. HTTR.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Spanish is tricky. When it's pronounced, gaNO -- with the accent on the second syllable -- it's Spanish for "you won."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 6:29 AM


Compared to English, Spanish is friggin' simple. Rules and concepts are pretty easy to pick up and there aren't many exceptions to the rules like there are in English. The only reason I haven't retained it is because I don't use it AT ALL.

Oh, and beep...have you had your morning crow for all the Banks hate? I mean, dude set us up for not one but TWO touchdown drives that ended up being the difference between winning and losing the last two games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse


The turning point of yesterdays game was GB not challenging a sure TD and the Redskins stopping them on 4th down. Big mistake GB, big stop Redskins. Icing on the cake , Romo and the Cowboy's lose in that dumb ass new stadium.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Jeeze, brown. It's a fed holiday, do you ever take a day off?

I'm officially on board with "winning ugly" as the new trend. It's hard to watch and I hate how I'm on edge all the time on gameday, but looking around the league (I know I'm late with this) but you win by any means necessary. Doesn't matter how you win, just f-ing win!

Look at the Cardinals yesterday: ZERO TDs on offense yet they're able to score 30?!?!?! HTF does THAT happen?

Starting to get the feeling of the '09 Saints defense around here. When looking at all the "per game" stats, the 'Skins suck. But damn if they aren't:

Top 15 in 3rd percentage
Top 5 in passes defended
Top 10 in forced fumbles/recovered
Top 10 in sacks


But it's crazy 'cause if you look at stuff like total yards (dead last) and total passing yards (3rd from last) and total rush yards (19th) you'd think they would have a losing record....


Just goes to show that you can be a "top 10" defense but if you can't buckle down in the clutch, you're top 10 ranking is for sh*t. In their wins the 'D' has answered the motherclucking bell! Not to mention how they're putting MoFo's OUT THE GAME -- KEY MoFo's at that! (Ware, A.Johnson, Jackson, Vick, Finley, Lee, Matthews...) It's still way to early to be gassed, but I like how it is early in the season, but they're finding ways to win! Hopefully as the season progresses they'll be handing teams their issue decisively!

SHOUT OUT to the special teams too! Hate how Banks ratted the boy DThomas out (we call that "dry snitching" around my way), but that lil' fhucker is going to break one to the house sooner rather than later.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Good post, Brownwood. Not quite on a level with Keim, but better than Reid or Maese. HTTR.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 6:48 AM


Yet not good enough to land a blogger gig with the WaPo...while LaVar continues to make our collective ears bleed.

Not that I'm bitter or anything...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and beep...have you had your morning crow for all the Banks hate? I mean, dude set us up for not one but TWO touchdown drives that ended up being the difference between winning and losing the last two games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 6:56 AM

Happy to eat crow about Banks any time of the day when he can play like he has so far, without fumbling. Whatever they did to him when he was inactive has worked. He can be a game changer.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Jeeze, brown. It's a fed holiday, do you ever take a day off?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:01 AM


In my line of work...no.

Welcome to the dark side, my friend. The Ravens won a Super Bowl almost exclusively winning ugly. Hell, that whole AFC North doesn't win unless it's ugly. The Saints had their moments last year, but close to half their wins last year were pretty ugly. In the NFL, there's no room for style points...just win, baby.

And I'll never get how folks keep saying "Banks snitched"...I mean, who in a million years would think that Shanahan is hip to Twitter? I'm sure half of us up here have put something questionable up on Facebook for a laugh, only to have to answer for it later. I'm sure that pic had comedic value and that's what Banks was looking for--not getting DT in trouble with the coaches.

Either way, the only person DT has to blame for being on the street is DT. If he sleeps in meetings and balls out in practice, he's not in trouble--he's starting. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Either way, the only person DT has to blame for being on the street is DT. If he sleeps in meetings and balls out in practice, he's not in trouble--he's starting. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 7:12 AM

There are 31 other GMs in the league. When none of them is willing to give the Redskins a ham sandwich for you, then you suck.

And after that, the Rams said "No way. We don't want him." Still don't know whether any team put in a waiver claim for the guy.

I wonder if he realizes yet how badly he blew it in DC? "I still don't know, to this day, what it was or what I did ... I went out and I worked as hard as I could. Even when it was clear, you know, that they weren't going to play me, I just kept doing everything I could to try to show them I deserved to be out there. I had guys [teammates] telling me I should be out there and that they knew I could help the team win. And that's all I wanted a chance to do."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice the mixed bag of results from former Redskins yesterday? Another big day from Brandon Lloyd (I just threw up in my mouth a little), plus Jason Campbell and Rock Cartwright playing a big role in the Raiders HUGE win over Norv's Chargers...then Ladell Betts with a huge fumble in the Saints game and Todd Collins with an epic/awful 4 INT performance against the Panthers. Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse


DT11 = dead horses DNA

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm over Devin Thomas at this point. I, like a few here, had big hopes for the guy. He appeared to have all the measurables you look for in a wide receiver. From the look he had all the potential to "make it happen". But with the "God HC"'s comments about "Commit to being a pro" and how they need options at WR outside of Moss (Armstrong looks to be coming along well, BTW), if Thomas were handling his, he'd still be on the team. If Shanahan could "lukewarm" up to Haynesworth given all their drama, you have to believe that Thomas just wasn't getting it done. Such a shame...


And, either way you slice it, Banks ratted on Thomas. I don't think he did it on purpose, hence the term "dry snitching". But nevertheless he did. Don't hate the guy for it, I'm just calling it what it is.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse


And, either way you slice it, Banks ratted on Thomas. I don't think he did it on purpose, hence the term "dry snitching". But nevertheless he did. Don't hate the guy for it, I'm just calling it what it is.

red, banks is a team players imo and you can call it snitching, but this is not prison dude. DT11 is a loser and shanahan needs to rid this team of all players like DT11. AH is out of here first chance they get, cook it. good for banks speaking up for the team and being a team player.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Gotcha Red...I'll be adding the term "dry snitching" to my vernacular as well. Thanks for that.

Agree on Thomas...I'm just glad we have a coach who's not hitching his wagons to a guy that looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. The quicker we get guys who "don't get it" off the roster, the closer we move to being a contender...

Glad you brought up AH...I'm curious to see if this tragedy with his brother wakes him up to the fragility of life and how he's gotta take full advantage of his potential, not just in football but in life. You only get out of it what you put in, so if he commits himself to being a pro and being "the greatest ever" like he vowed in his introductory news conference, he could be SCARY good. This could also be a springboard for a reconciliation between him and the organization. The next couple months should be interesting...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"Hey Moe---Nothing personal but could you continue to pick against the Skins and show no faith....Thanks"

Sometimes it's good to be wrong.

Sometimes making aneducated guesstimation is better than picking a winner by throwing darts at a listing of NFL games.

Sometimes you wish the people who see you notice that you're right more often than you're wrong.

But most of the times, you're wrong, dead wrong, which is why they delight in celebrating your bad choices.

Yes: I picked my beloved redskins to lose this past weekend to the packers.

And I was wrong.

Dead wrong.

I forgot we now have and elite quarterback who, like Jason Campbell did yesterday, led his team to a late game win.

And so, I'll post here all day and suffer the sling and arrows and darts from folks who'll ask why I doubted our team.

My head hangs as low as Tony Romo's did as the cowboys walked off the field after their home loss to the titans.

All I can say is that I am what I am: wrong to pick against our team.

So let the insults, jibba-jabba, and put downs fly at mistamoe, the human dartboard.

The idiot who picked the skins to lose at home.

Some of y'all will miss.

But seeing how I picked our team to lose, most of what you'll have to say about me will be right on target.

HTTR.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

And, either way you slice it, Banks ratted on Thomas.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:30 AM

I'm calling this BS. Banks "ratted on Thomas" only if Mike Shanahan didn't already know how Thomas was approaching these meetings. Do you really believe that Mike Shanahan is so obtuse that he didn't know what Devin Thomas was doing in meetings?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

"Sometimes you try to come up with a fancy lead to describe a player’s (LaRon Landry)big day."

Try "Polamalu-lite".

The interception LL made in overtime is a Troy Polamalu-type play in every regard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't care what he does, it's still and always "Floyd" (for those that remember that)!

Rock is what he's always been: An all-pro special teamster.

Same goes for Campbell: A back-up quarterback.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME: There is a reason why Collins has been in the league since NINETY NINETY FIVE and has started a staggering NINETEEN games! He isn't that good. End of story! Save the "last four games in 2007" or "he led us to the playoffs".

There was this running back who was averaging 86 yards per and had 4 TDs in that stretch as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Are we still talking about DT? Look, I called it last week that he was going to get the axe. It's old news. Let's talk about what they are going to do about the offensive tackle depth. As I saw it, we had our two starting offensive tackles injured and on the bench at the end of the game. Chances are, one or both of these guys will be out for the next game. So, do they promote from the practice squad or do they go sign a free agent such as Levi Jones? I'm leaning toward elevating William Robinson. He has experience with the offense and could step in right away.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse


what happened to the gold pants ?

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Red, agreed on most fronts...I'm right either way on that Raiders/Chargers tilt--either Campbell is a legit starting QB or the Chargers are the frauds I thought they were. And hopefully, that "performance" from Collins proves once and for all that he's a system QB that can only thrive when Al Saunders is whispering plays in his ears...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

just did the math and by my calculations LaRon is on track for 1622 tackles... my math may be wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 11, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

what happened to the gold pants ?

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Good question, I was all hoping for a gold pants bowl.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 11, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

And, either way you slice it, Banks ratted on Thomas.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:30 AM

I'm calling this BS. Banks "ratted on Thomas" only if Mike Shanahan didn't already know how Thomas was approaching these meetings. Do you really believe that Mike Shanahan is so obtuse that he didn't know what Devin Thomas was doing in meetings?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:43 AM
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If you think a nap in the film room is what got DT canned, you're missing the big picture. Just imagine telling a guy to run a fifteen yard out pattern and one time he runs it seventeen yards and the next time he runs it thirteen. Imagine a receiver totally giving away his change of direction with an arm swinging out for balance just before the move. Imagine a wide receiver running a route who gets locked up with a defender on the LOS because he just wants to beat him physically instead of just running around him. Imagine a wide receiver who is slow breaking off the line because he has, for the fifteenth time today, forgotten the snap count. The coach sees all of this, and that is what got DT cut. It isn't about the nap - it's about a wide receiver who couldn't do the things required of a wide receiver. Some guys get it, Shanny's call was the guy was never going to get it. End of story. No Brandon Banks conspiracy here.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Same goes for Campbell: A back-up quarterback.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 7:54 AM

In this astute rundown of the ex's, you left out one guy from Brownwood's list:

Norv Turner -- backup head coach. Always a bride's maid, never a bride.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

what happened to the gold pants ?

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 8:02 AM


My guess is that the league counted them as "throwbacks"...you can only wear throwback unis twice in a given season and I think the Skins waited too long to notify the league that the combination would be the regular home uniform. I would have liked to see them spread it out more and get one of those gold pants games against a division opponent at home...maybe the Monday nighter against the Eagles. Hopefully, they make the switch full time next year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha...you called it last week. hmmm

Posted by: stu_pid | October 11, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

hess/beep:

Dry Snitching: To indirectly tell secrets or offenses to a person of authority or any person meant to be kept away from a secret or offense, sometimes inadvertently. If the telling of secrets or offenses is purposeful, minute details are usually left out as not to appear to be directly telling. It is indirectly snitching.

Ex: "I see this offensive picture is still up. I recall other member's being banned for posting such a thing."


Prison has nothing to do with it. People do this everyday among each other all the time. Like I said, I'm sweating the decision they made with Thomas, and I don't fault Banks for him posting the picture on Twitter, but he did invertedly ratted, told on, gave up, Devin Thomas. It was reported that once the Redskins PR or coaching staff (which if it concerns a player Shanahan WILL get word of it one way or the other) heard about the picture it was promptly removed. Maybe Shanahan knew about Thomas napping, maybe he didn't. But once that picture went public it squarely put Devin Thomas behind the eight ball. Doesn't help that it was taken during the preseason -- when Thomas was supposed to be showing why he deserved to be a starting WR.

Like brown said, even if he did sleep during meetings but was doing his thing in practice or was putting in the work in general; he's still be here.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Let's talk about what they are going to do about the offensive tackle depth.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 7:59 AM

While we are at it, let's talk about the starting LG and Center. Rabach may be very good at line calls, but this running game will continue to struggle against 3-4 defenses with him starting. Against the 3-4 its hard to run wide, which means the backside cutoff must be there. Put a big NT on Rabach, and the cut back aint happening. Lichtensteiger is a center playing guard. He missed two blitz pick ups and got little movement in the run game. I suspect these two will be targeted more by opposing defenses.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

If they do make the switch in uniforms next year, lets hope they get to touch it up a bit get the jersey matching the pants and helmet and what have you.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 11, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff RSH...it wasn't any one thing that got DT cut, it was a culmination of a bunch of things. That, and us needing another RB more than we did a WR that couldn't play WR.

Beep, I omitted Norv on purpose for two reasons: A) he's a coach, not a player and B) it goes without saying. Kinda feels like beating the glue of a dead horse revisiting Norv's ineptitude...funny thing is, I'll be willing to bet good money that he'll get a whopping 4th head coaching gig once he gets canned in SD. My money's on a return to Dall-ass...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was known a minute back that Norv Turner is cut from the same cloth as Wade Phillips.


Good coordinators, not so good head coaches.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I'll be willing to bet good money that he'll get a whopping 4th head coaching gig once he gets canned in SD. My money's on a return to Dall-ass...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:13 AM

Jim Zorn will get a second head coaching gig the same day that Norv Turner gets a fourth. Never.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:43 AM
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If you think a nap in the film room is what got DT canned, you're missing the big picture.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:07 AM

If I had thought that, then I would have posted that. I don't think it, and that isn't what I put up.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to point out something that has apparently been overlooked regarding the Dallas Cowboys' loss last night against Tennessee.

Dallas received a penalty for a two-player celebration following a touchdown, and because of that were forced to kick-off from the 15 yard line. They ended up losing the game, largely because of that multi-player celebration penalty.

Remember the days of Joe Gibbs' Redskins and the Fun Bunch? Players would join together in the end zone following a touchdown, whooping it up and celebrating, and in my humble opinion adding a lot of spice to the game. It used to be perfectly legal for a team to celebrate like that. The Dallas Cowboys ruined all of that by starting a fight in the end zone when the Fun Bunch celebrated a touchdown during a game down in Texas Stadium. The NFL made a new rule because of that incident, and multi-player celebrations were no longer allowed. I believe that's when somebody stated that NFL stands for "No Fun League".

Fast-forward to yesterday's Cowboys-Titans game.

I don't know whether to call that celebrating penalty justice or irony, but whichever, I say what goes around comes around and the Cowboys got what they deserve.


George

Posted by: gshpil | October 11, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Let's talk about what they are going to do about the offensive tackle depth.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 7:59 AM

While we are at it, let's talk about the starting LG and Center. Rabach may be very good at line calls, but this running game will continue to struggle against 3-4 defenses with him starting. Against the 3-4 its hard to run wide, which means the backside cutoff must be there. Put a big NT on Rabach, and the cut back aint happening. Lichtensteiger is a center playing guard. He missed two blitz pick ups and got little movement in the run game. I suspect these two will be targeted more by opposing defenses.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2010 8:11 AM
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I'm with you TWISI. I can't get my head around this WCO offensive line play. Neither Rabach or Lickmystickie are people movers but seems to be okay with the coaching staff as long as they are athletic enough to get out there and crack back. They also seem to think Rabach is very good at calling the protection scheme based on the defense he sees. Like I said, I can't get my head around it, but I know I would have rather had Dockery in there yesterday, and, unfortunately he wasn't even active. Next up is the Colts, whose preference for "smaller and faster" on defense might work to the Redskins advantage. I see the interior standing pat, and if one of the OT's can't go, they'll have to elevate an offensive tackle from the practice squad. I am thinking Robinson, but maybe Capers is ready enough. Capers has better feet of the two, but Robinson is the more experienced player.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn will get a second head coaching gig the same day that Norv Turner gets a fourth. Never.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:19 AM


I said the same thing (sans the Zorn reference, of course) when Norv got canned by the Raiders. Just sayin'...

Jerry Jones likes weak-minded coaches with pedigree so he can continue to put his finger in the sauce without resistance. That, by definition, is Norv Turner.

Norv is still tight with Jones and his offense is already being run there (sans the presence of a consistent running game, that is) by the overrated Jason Garrett. So unless Belichick comes available between now and February when Jones tries to upstage his own Super Bowl by trying to hire a replacement HC, Norv will be his guy.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

what happened to the gold pants ?

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I just assumed that 2 teams cannot wear the same colored item. Since the Redskins had already decided to wear the burgundy jerseys, that meant the Packers had to wear their white jerseys, so in turn they had to wear their gold pants, which means we were screwed and couldn't wear our gold pants as well.

Does using a different color of jersey or pant mean it is considered 'throw-back'???

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse


Like brown said, even if he did sleep during meetings but was doing his thing in practice or was putting in the work in general; he's still be here.

agree with brown also, that's why this snitching non-sense is a NON-ISSUE.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 7:43 AM
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If you think a nap in the film room is what got DT canned, you're missing the big picture.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:07 AM

If I had thought that, then I would have posted that. I don't think it, and that isn't what I put up.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:22 AM
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I didn't say you were saying that. I was addressing the overall debate, which to me is getting tiresome. Don't be so sensitive, beep. Go get a cup of coffee. I know it takes awhile for you old geezers to get the equipment started in the morning....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

My money's on a return to Dall-ass...

Posted by: brownwood26


With Phillips as the D-Coordinator, Norv as the O-Coordinator, and Garrett as the HC.

Love how Dallas REFUSES to run the ball and how while CHOKE-mo puts up cute stats he is a BUM in the clutch.

Also love how they appear to be souring on Leonard Davis. Goes to show that while maulers is the preferred choice on the offensive line, with athletic yet strong DTs and those DEs that can rotate on passing situations, a simpler "mauler" has to be a whole lot more.

Speaking of offensive line, while Rabach maybe the hottest in the hood when it comes to pre-snap reads, my gawd the dude gets his lunch eaten on the regular by opposing defensive linemen. Gotta do something about the Center position in the offseason.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

RSH

"Let's talk about what they are going to do about the offensive tackle depth."


How 'bout it?

It seemed to me that outside of the obvious injury issues at the tackle spots, CRabach got used by BJRaji, the packers' nose tackle.

One thing to remember about the upcoming colts' game is that they feature a lighter, quicker defensive line, so perhaps the transition to a lighter line we've made won't hurt like it did yesterday.

But before any thoughts about Sunday come, we got to get our linemen healthy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I just assumed that 2 teams cannot wear the same colored item. Since the Redskins had already decided to wear the burgundy jerseys, that meant the Packers had to wear their white jerseys, so in turn they had to wear their gold pants, which means we were screwed and couldn't wear our gold pants as well.

Does using a different color of jersey or pant mean it is considered 'throw-back'???

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 8:31 AM


No chance that's true...otherwise, the Packers and Steelers could literally NEVER play each other since they both wear gold pants. Plus there's more teams that wear white pants than I care to list. Even if your assertion were correct, the Skins would get first crack at wearing gold pants since they're the home team and therefore get to choose which uniform they're wearing.

The only thing that matters is jersey color...one must wear the colored jersey, the other must wear white. Pants mean nothing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

hess, whatever. You hate the '08 draft class (at least Devin Thomas and Fred Davis) okay, duly noted. I'm not saying, or ever said the "snitching" is an issue at all.

Not mad that Devin Thomas is gone, nor am I mad at Brandon Banks.

Banks is here, Thomas isn't. Banks is making plays, Thomas is looking for a new gig. What's done is done, it is what it is. Just wanted to speak DT11's release because I never got a chance to. That's all -- of course, if that's alright with you.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Red, Phillips would be twice the milquetoast I think he is if he were to stay in Dallas despite that kind of demotion. That's about as spineless a move a coach could possibly make...

As for the center spot, Kevin Mawae is still out there. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I'll be willing to bet good money that he'll get a whopping 4th head coaching gig once he gets canned in SD. My money's on a return to Dall-ass...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:13 AM

Jim Zorn will get a second head coaching gig the same day that Norv Turner gets a fourth. Never.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:19 AM
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Well, darn, cross those two names off the list for Buffalo's head coaching job next year. BTW, I was thinking the same thing about Chan Gailey before they gave him the job. I think they're down to threatening the safety of head coaches' family members to get them to come to Buffalo...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I know it takes awhile for you old geezers to get the equipment started in the morning....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:33 AM

Au contraire, mon amis, early morning is no problem. Late night is more of a challenge, say after around 8:30. I haven't seen the end of a night football game, unless I recorded it and watched it at 4:00 am, since I was in my mid-80's.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

hess, whatever. You hate the '08 draft class (at least Devin Thomas and Fred Davis) okay, duly noted. I'm not saying, or ever said the "snitching" is an issue at all.

Not mad that Devin Thomas is gone, nor am I mad at Brandon Banks.

Banks is here, Thomas isn't. Banks is making plays, Thomas is looking for a new gig. What's done is done, it is what it is. Just wanted to speak DT11's release because I never got a chance to. That's all -- of course, if that's alright with you.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:41 AM
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Speaking of the 08 draft class, where was Fred Davis yesterday? I thought for sure we would see more from him against Green Bay...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

The makeup of this team, personnel-wise is not going to look great on paper but this team out-hits everyone and seems to have more steam in the 4th quarter.

A sign of character and coaching.

I'll take it.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what a win yesterday. As pointed out several times, that's a win the Redskins don't win either of the last two years. Something about having a QB and a coach with confidence and a winning pedigree makes you think you can win every game at any time, no matter the deficit or opponent.

So now we're 3-0 against playoff teams from last year. We've won games by getting out ahead early, we've won games by coming back late. We've shown that we have the ability to win through the air, and we've shown we have the ability to win on the ground. We have a defense that can stand toe-to-toe with the best offenses in the league when they play with heart and conviction. Now we need to be able to put it all together in the same game for 4 quarters.

I couldn't tell, did Kareem Moore get replaced by Doughty by the end of the game? Or was Doughty just playing in the nickel and dime packages?

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll be willing to bet good money that he'll get a whopping 4th head coaching gig once he gets canned in SD. My money's on a return to Dall-ass...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:13 AM

Jim Zorn will get a second head coaching gig the same day that Norv Turner gets a fourth. Never.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 8:19 AM
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Well, darn, cross those two names off the list for Buffalo's head coaching job next year. BTW, I was thinking the same thing about Chan Gailey before they gave him the job. I think they're down to threatening the safety of head coaches' family members to get them to come to Buffalo...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:45 AM
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Jerry Jone's SS to Wade Philips: "Zu veel spend time in dee virk camp in Buffalo. Zis veel toughen zu up. Zu veel not haf ze futbal players, zu veel haf dee clowns. Ha ha ha."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Red, Phillips would be twice the milquetoast I think he is if he were to stay in Dallas despite that kind of demotion. That's about as spineless a move a coach could possibly make...

As for the center spot, Kevin Mawae is still out there. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26

Dave Campo did it. I don't think he took a coaching staff job right away after losing his HC job, but he did go back to Jerry with tails tucked.


I thought Mawae was retired? Seems like Mawae was being blackballed by owners.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

All for our kicker's nick name being Graham "Ga-yes".

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Mark Clayton is out for the year...DThomas to the Rams?

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 11, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't tell, did Kareem Moore get replaced by Doughty by the end of the game? Or was Doughty just playing in the nickel and dime packages?

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 8:53 AM

From what the defensive players were saying, the were in a lot of nickle and dime packages in the second half.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore is a HORID tackler! Is it so much to ask that a free safety be able to make a solid tackler yet have the knack to make plays on the ball?


RSH, looks like Fred Davis is on the outs as well. Maybe he's not making the most of his opportunities whether it's route running or blocking. It did look like they were in 2-TE sets more than normal yesterday though.

Deep threats are Moss and Armstrong, have Cooley or Davis running cross and seam routes. If ran properly it should open up a lot of play action opportunities. But it only works if they can rely on Davis.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought Mawae was retired? Seems like Mawae was being blackballed by owners.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2010 8:54 AM


He retired because nobody as much as brought him in for a work out. My guess is that if someone showed interest, he'd be back playing.

oh_boy, you must not read PFT...Rams have ZERO interest in DT.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger sucks big balls....SMH...Was Dockery worse than THAT?!!?!

The OLine (and not just one person) is still in shambles...

Other that......Good win! I can live with the Inaccurate McNabb as long as he has a functional group around, which it seems he does.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Mark Clayton is out for the year...DThomas to the Rams?

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 11, 2010 9:00 AM

Rams already said "Thanks but no thanks."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Gotta put Phillip Buchanon as my new player to hate in our secondary. He needs to go.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


The interception LL made in overtime is a Troy Polamalu-type play in every regard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 7:50 AM


This from Peter King this morning:

Move over, Troy Polamalu.

It's good to be able to watch all the games in the NBC viewing room on Sundays, because it allows me to keep an eye on players around the league. And in the first five weeks of the season, no single defensive player in the league has jumped from relative anonymity to stardom like strong safety LaRon Landry of the Redskins. He leads the NFL in tackles (52) through five weeks, and Sunday, he was the most important Redskin defender in a 16-13 beat down of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.

Talk about starting and finishing the job: In the first minute of the game, on the first Green Bay series of the day, he creamed tight end Donald Lee and forced a fumble that the Redskins recovered. In the 63rd minute, in overtime, Landry picked off a Rodgers pass intended for the forgotten Greg Jennings; five minutes later, a Graham Gano field goal won the game.

"He's fast, he's a hitter and loves to play,'' coach Mike Shanahan said after the game. "He's that way every snap -- obviously a great football player.''

Landry was a first-round pick by the Redskins in 2007, and the coach then, Joe Gibbs, wanted to pair him with Sean Taylor long-term to give Washington the most feared set of safeties in the league. But Taylor died that November, and when Gibbs retired after the season, the new regime moved Landry from strong safety to free.

"My rookie year, I felt I was in the right position to take advantage of how aggressive I like to play,'' Landry told me last night. "But when the staff changed, coach [Greg] Blache moved me, and nothing against him, I didn't feel it took advantage of what I did best. As a free safety, I'm kind of the savior back there, sitting back. That's not how I play best.''

But new coordinator Jim Haslett moved him to strong again, and Landry is comfortable in run-support and the occasional blitz. Against Green Bay, he led a disguising Washington scheme that seemed to frustrate Rodgers all afternoon.

"I think the best is yet to come for me,'' he said. And maybe for the Redskins too. They've beaten Philadelphia and Dallas already, and they're tied for first in the NFC East. Landry's nearly as big a reason for that as Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I think we'll be going center or guard in the 2011 draft...hopefully no later than the 2nd round. There will also be strong temptation to draft a stud lineman or QB if McNabb moves on.

Great game to watch, extremely fun to win a come-from-behind game for once. I like this team though the offense is hard to watch.

Playoffs are not entirely out of the question only with a lot of luck but we all know the odds of that. I think I predicted 7-9. See no reason to change that.

It's conventional wisdom that this offense will improve, but as the system becomes second nature to the players, injuries and lack of depth will take their toll.

Look for wholesale improvements next year.

Look for the Redskins to beat Dallas again this year.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, good to see some free-breeze flowing this a.m. Give up some applause for my man LO-A. He had his best day as a REDSKIN in my book.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

More from Peter King:

Coach of the Week

Jim Haslett, defensive coordinator, Washington.

Over a 44-minute span Sunday against the once-mighty Packers, Haslett's aggressive defense held Green Bay to three points. Ten drives, three points. Forty-four plays, no touchdowns. Haslett had to go to the United Football League last year to be a head coach, and I'm not saying teams will be beating his door down next winter to be a head man in the NFL again. But he's having a terrific year putting good players in position to be great -- like strong safety LaRon Landry, who forced a fumble and had an interception Sunday.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

".........Was DOCKERY that bad.....?"

No, evidently DOCK doesn't function well in a zone-blocking scheme.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Great win; however does anyone know how bad the injuries are to Trent Williams and Jamal Brown?

I'm surprised to not see anything about it. This could be a HUGE set back. Anyone hear anything?

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

From Mike Wise's column: "Really, nothing about this team feels dominant or overwhelming."

Fair enough. But name an NFC team that IS dominant or overwhelming right now? The 3-2 Saints? The Packers? Cowboys? Falcons? Bears?

I understand being cautiously optimistic is prudent, but while the Redskins aren't dominating people, neither are any of the other 15 teams in the conference.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 11, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Was I mistaken, or did our defense begin rounding it's first corner on the way to a championship-caliber 3-4?

Pepper5:

And speaking of the draft......Exactly what's left of our draft picks for 2011 besides the 1st round? Do we have ANY others?

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

evidently DOCK doesn't function well in a zone-blocking scheme.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 9:22 AM

But they were mainly pass blocking.....Go Figure...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to add a little more context to my 7-9 prediction -- that this happens only if McNabb, T.Williams and Jammal Brown miss significant playing time, which I believe is likely.

If 2 of the 3 can beat the odds at this point and stay healthy (especially McNabb) it's clear this team will be in the mix all season.

In any event, this team is improved, competitive, and a very tough out this season.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I almost don't know what to do with all this Redskin love from Peter King. Hopefully, this isn't the kiss of death going into a tough matchup with Indy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"if McNabb, T.Williams and Jammal Brown miss significant playing time, which I believe is likely."

I think if the later two miss significant time the first one will follow closely behind. Our backups and starters all across the line need to be upgraded.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

And speaking of the draft......Exactly what's left of our draft picks for 2011 besides the 1st round? Do we have ANY others?

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Well, Redskins have the first and second. The third and fourth are gone due to McNabb & J.Brown. I believe the fifth sixth and seventh are good to go although there was some swap (with the Rams maybe) in there somewhere.

Bottom line is not enough draft picks of course. Shame that new management didn't see the writing on the wall for DT and unload him before the season began when, according to J. Reid, they could have gotten a pick for him.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I almost don't know what to do with all this Redskin love from Peter King. Hopefully, this isn't the kiss of death going into a tough matchup with Indy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 9:33 AM

No, that would be Redskin love from Don Banks. You'd get an STD from that guy.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the DT11 release is a sign of progress for Terence Austin. I'd love to see an update on the progress of our practice squad guys every now and then. Torain and Banks took it to another level after being relegated to the PS, maybe Austin can as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the DT11 release is a sign of progress for Terence Austin. I'd love to see an update on the progress of our practice squad guys every now and then. Torain and Banks took it to another level after being relegated to the PS, maybe Austin can as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 9:44 AM

You'll never get an update on the practice squad guys. If Shanahan says "Austin is ready for the big team, we're just waiting for the right moment to bring him up" then Austin would be playing for the Rams.

updates on practice squad = scouting reports

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I always preferred "Reciever, The" to "FLloyd." "Archbingus" was another classic.

Posted by: aaronharman | October 11, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

2. I think this is what I didn't like about Week 5:
e. Dallas, the worst team in the NFC East.

-Peter King

Posted by: tony325 | October 11, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

From Mike Wise's column: "Really, nothing about this team feels dominant or overwhelming."

Fair enough. But name an NFC team that IS dominant or overwhelming right now? The 3-2 Saints? The Packers? Cowboys? Falcons? Bears?

I understand being cautiously optimistic is prudent, but while the Redskins aren't dominating people, neither are any of the other 15 teams in the conference.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 11, 2010 9:26 AM


Wise can go to hell...the Skins could clutch Lombardi and he'd still find something wrong with it. I refuse to read a word of what he writes ever again.

Funny fact though...if the playoffs started today, we'd be the 3rd seed in the NFC. Can't tell you how bad I want that to hold true in January...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

All of you who were bad mouthing Landry in the offseason suggesting he get traded, come sit up here on the Landry bus, now. We won't hold it against you that you were wrong.

Red, would agree on Kareem Moore's tackling. Maybe that was why Blache would never start him. I like his athleticism and ball hawk skills, however, and I think the tackling is something they will work on. I hope Slowik and Jackson actually work on tackling skills during the regular season. Seem to recall Gray saying last year that they didn't work on tackling skills during the regular season, which I thought was a little strange. What was it Lombardi said? Football is a game of running, blocking and tackling? Seems to me you would want to spend a lot of time working on those fundamentals.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

My 2 cents:

I think we're gonna keep struggling against 3-4 defenses. Our 2 worst Offensive outings came against 3-4 teams, Dallas and Green Bay. As far as I can tell we only have 1 more 3-4 Defense on our schedule, Dallas. But if we make the playoffs, we might face Green Bay again. I hope our defense can bail us out again like they did yesterday!

I'm extremely excited over Armstrong's progress and breakout game. Let's just hope he doesn't disappear next week. What's up with him leaving the game every other play in the 4th Qt., cramps?

I think Carlos Roger's nickname should be 'Thing', like from the Fantastic 4, because not only does he have stone hands, but a stone stomach as well. That ball yesterday went through his stone hands and bounced off his stone stomach, once AGAIN blowing an opportunity to help us win at the end. It's like he's playing hot potato and is afraid to get burnt. Good coverage though.

Even if Mike Sellers has 'lost a step' at playing fullback, we are stupid to get rid of him. Dude is gonna kill somebody with the hits he's laying of coverage units. Big Mike's the man!!!

Where was all the pressure that we put on Rodgers in the 4th Qt./Overtime the first 3 Qts? We dodged a bullet yesterday, dude had tons of time to throw the ball, and they should have scored more points against us.

Oh, one more thing:
Mike McCarthy = NERD with a pen in his hat

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that matters is jersey color...one must wear the colored jersey, the other must wear white. Pants mean nothing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

That also isn't the case, in 2002 the skins and boys both wore color jerseys in a thanksgiving day game.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


***From the Green Bay Press-Gazette****

And there were the astounding, drive-killing seven dropped passes — four by Donald Driver, two by James Jones and one by Jordy Nelson.

“I think that was the biggest factor in this game,” Driver said, “because Aaron put the ball where it needs to be put.”

But another factor was McNabb’s incredible ability to win when his team appears a little overmatched. The 12-year pro showed why he has a .651 winning percentage, third-best among active quarterbacks, in rallying Washington from a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter.

Though he doesn’t have great weapons in the passing game, McNabb kept plays alive with his scrambling, and twice beat Peprah downfield with big plays outside the pocket.

On the first, he found receiver Santana Moss behind Peprah for a 52-yard gain that set up a field goal at the end of the second quarter. The second was a 48-yard touchdown pass to Anthony Armstrong, who went over Peprah for the score that cut the Packers’ lead to 13-10 with 11:35 to play in the game.

McNabb and Rodgers had below-average passer ratings (75.7 for Rodgers, 75.0 for McNabb), and each had one interception.

But Rodgers’ pick came with the game on the line in overtime. On a third down, he threw behind and was intercepted by safety LaRon Landry at the Packers’ 39, which set up Graham Gano for his game-winning 33-yard field goal.

“McNabb has been in the league for a long time,” safety Nick Collins said. “He feels he can go out there and throw 100 bad balls, and one play is going to come open. He stuck with his game plan.”

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse


Banks is here, Thomas isn't. Banks is making plays, Thomas is looking for a new gig. What's done is done, it is what it is. Just wanted to speak DT11's release because I never got a chance to. That's all -- of course, if that's alright with you.

the draft class of 2008 will not be on next years roster. I think Shanahan wants to rid the team of players Cerrato chose, whether drafted or FA's. He'll obviously keep Orakpo.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't tell, did Kareem Moore get replaced by Doughty by the end of the game? Or was Doughty just playing in the nickel and dime packages?

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 8:53 AM
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No, Doughty just comes in for certain packages. He was doing what he always does: tackling very well and pass covering like a one legged blind two year old.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Gano? More like GaYES... right?

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 11, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Is Fred Davis going to stay here? Put me down as someone hoping the answer is yes.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Rock Cartwright and Jason Campbell both had nice games in the win over San Diego. Not that it matters for us, but glad to see something positive for them. And love the feeling of Redskins victory Mondays!

Posted by: AdamCr | October 11, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis isn't going anywhere. Even speculating that is delusional.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

All of you who were bad mouthing Landry in the offseason suggesting he get traded, come sit up here on the Landry bus, now. We won't hold it against you that you were wrong.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 9:56 AM

Couple of others who were wrong -- the misguided claque who were calling out Haynesworth for going to his brother's memorial service instead of playing Sunday, the bythces who question whether AA is a better receiver than DT11, and the guy from Bean Town who thinks that the Shanahans and Haslett can't call a game.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we have that #2 wide receiver thing figured out.

Now if the rest of RI would join me on the Optimism Bus 2010...I'm still making it rain and giving kool-aid showers to Albert's strippers.

Some of you can take the noose from around your neck and jump on anytime!

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse


Fred Davis isn't going anywhere. Even speculating that is delusional.

could you speculate why it's delusional psp ? dude has one catch for 62 and can't block at all. explain why he'll be here if someone else is secured for next year that's a better blocker and can get open and make some plays.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


Some of you can take the noose from around your neck and jump on anytime!

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 10:10 AM |

did someone say 11-5 ? get down, and get funky. I'm pulling for you and the skins hess !!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Good win yesterday. We're still figuring out what we're doing, we're vulnerable in several areas, but this team has also shown its resilience. I think the trend line for this team slopes upward.

And I learned something yesterday.

I learned that apparently I have for a long time misunderstood what constitutes holding. Because all this time I've thought you couldn't put a guy in a choke-hold, grab a fistful of his jersey, or latch onto his arm with both hands.

Same goes for pass interference. All this time I've thought you couldn't hit the receiver until the moment when the ball arrives.

My bad, I guess.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 11, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

That also isn't the case, in 2002 the skins and boys both wore color jerseys in a thanksgiving day game.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 11, 2010 9:58 AM


On a technicality...those Cowboy throwbacks are predominantly white even though they count as "colored" jerseys. My point is you'll never see the Skins in burgundy jerseys and the Packers in green.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Some of you can take the noose from around your neck and jump on anytime!

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 10:10 AM |

did someone say 11-5 ? get down, and get funky. I'm pulling for you and the skins hess !!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to jinx it... but I'm just sayin'

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


My bad, I guess.

freak, not your bad at all. the cooley pass interference call that was reversed could have cost us the game.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Tampax and the other Dallas lurkers have hung themselves yet?

It's so wonderful watching that ship sink!

My brother in law is a Cowboys fan and he is hating life right now. I had to tell him that he's not alone in his misery with Detroit and Cleveland both having one win each.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


All of you who were bad mouthing Landry in the offseason suggesting he get traded, come sit up here on the Landry bus, now. We won't hold it against you that you were wrong.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 9:56 AM

Couple of others who were wrong -- the misguided claque who were calling out Haynesworth for going to his brother's memorial service instead of playing Sunday, the bythces who question whether AA is a better receiver than DT11, and the guy from Bean Town who thinks that the Shanahans and Haslett can't call a game.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 10:08 AM
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I think Haslett is really smart to lean on guys like Alexander, Fletcher, Orakpo and Landry. It didn't take him long to figure out where the heart of the defense is. I am so loving Alexander's play now that he has taken the job from AC. Haslett needs to do one more tweak: I think it is time for Barnes to replace Buchanan. You get one more hitter in this defense and there won't be enough film for all of the big-hit-of-the-day highlights.

BTW, I want to say I was wrong about Sellers. The big guy is playing with some passion these days - especially on special teams. He had two highlight film hits yesterday, and he had a nice pickup on that reception. I am not saying he still doesn't miss on the occasional block, but it is obvious he has stepped up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Now if the rest of RI would join me on the Optimism Bus 2010.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

All aboard.....

Wow, it's a good view from up here! Look, Haynesworth is getting a backrub from Shanny! Getting crowded in here, but plenty of Koolaid to go around. The only thing that sucks it Poopy took a dump in the bathroom and stunk the whole bus up! What's that in the road up ahead? Looks like pabrian2003! Step on the gas......

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should trade Andre Carter before the trade deadline & get something that will actually help our team. I'll take T, G, C, OLB, CB, or 4th rounder or better. There has to be a 4-3 fit out there for him.

Posted by: tony325 | October 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"dude has one catch for 62 and can't block at all."

posted by: hessone"

Since when can Fred Davis not block? He's noted for his athleticism in space and being able to lock on defenders within the zone running scheme. That's why he's in our jumbo formations, and why it allows us to run effective playactions out of that formation. No, he's not an extra offensive lineman out there, but he's more than adequate as a blocker within the zone running scheme.

And he has 3 catches for 73 yards; obviously not great stats, but he's a backup TE. What did you expect out of a back-up TE, 1000 yards receiving?

Fred Davis has been targeted 4 times on the year. He has 3 receptions for 73 yards on those 4 targets. The 1 incomplete pass was overthrown by McNabb, otherwise that would have gone for another 50 yards. Fred Davis is a pure playmaker from the TE position; it just so happens that he's backing up a pro-bowler in his own right. Blaming Fred Davis for that is as senseless as blaming Michael Vick for being a mediocre wildcat QB when he was sitting behind McNabb for all of last year.

And now the Redskins are going to cut him because he's a back-up?

Nonsense. Your hatred for all things Snyder and Cerrato is clouding your judgment.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sellers has indeed looked good these past few weeks. I am surprised and impressed and must now refer to myself as a former hater.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I had always appreciated Sellers but the facts are that he was literally costing us in games this season up until yesterday.

Guys like him, 'Renzo, Dirty30 and 'Sackpo are setting a very physical tone that literally ignites the rest of the team.

Keep it up Sellers, we need you man.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Great to see RIGGO giving the love to my man LO-A as defensive player of the game yesterday. RIGGINS liked LANDRY as a close second.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

We have been injuring an awful lot of our opponents. I like it...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Tampax and the other Dallas lurkers have hung themselves yet?

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 10:23 AM


C'mon man...you know that Cowpie fans don't show there faces ANYWHERE unless they win. When they lose, they hide out like the roaches they are.

I've found guys on witness protection easier than I've found Dall-ass fans after a loss....

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Dayum...The whole RI is built off of Federal workers and law firms? geesh....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

don't forget the jobless

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse


Nonsense. Your hatred for all things Snyder and Cerrato is clouding your judgment.

and according to some it's clouding shanahan's judgement, the handling of AH, DT, and anyone else that is from Cerrato's past.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

; it just so happens that he's backing up a pro-bowler in his own right. Blaming Fred Davis for that is as senseless as blaming Michael Vick for being a mediocre wildcat QB when he was sitting behind McNabb for all of last year.

And now the Redskins are going to cut him because he's a back-up?

Nonsense. Your hatred for all things Snyder and Cerrato is clouding your judgment.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree psps23. Why would they want to get rid of a young player, that works hard, both on offense and on special teams. Particularly on a team that lacks young talented players. McNabb said it last night, he's got to get the Armstrong, Galloway and Davis more involved if the passing offense is to progress as KS would like.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or is the sun brighter today, the colors more vibrant? Life is good.

Love what you're doing with this bus Ih8.

BTW, anyone check up on greg? Hope he did not do anything drastic this weekend.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 11, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Whad'up brownie? Ready for a 'TD' MARKO MITCHELL reprise?

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 11, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Gagno is spanish for I play with myself

Posted by: ElYeah | October 11, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"and according to some it's clouding shanahan's judgement, the handling of AH, DT, and anyone else that is from Cerrato's past.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse"

Like who, Brian Orakpo? Kareem Moore? Laron Landry? Deangelo Hall? London Fletcher? Anthony Armstrong? Stephon Heyer? Will Montgomery? Lorenzo Alexander?

So Shanahan thinks Devin Thomas isn't a professional and Albert Haynesworth wasn't committed to the Redskins, and that translates into Shanahan wanting to rid every player that was ever acquired while Vinny Cerrato was in the front office?

Come on now, you must realize how delusional that is.

Shanahan is overhauling a 4-12 team from dead weight, he's not a thirteen year old teenage girl trying to get back at an ex-boyfriend with vindictive irrationality.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Where is the Cowgirl contingent?


Awwwww. Too bad for Tony Choke-mo. an entire bye week to prep for the Titans and they come out and poop themselves....again.

I love Wade the fade. He's my favorite coach. Keep it going 'Fade.

Where's the talk from Cowfaig fans about 'still being in the division/conference race?

You suck balls Cowbiotch fan. Where's your yippity-yapping now?

Eat worms.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

RTorain beeps.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 11, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

And, either way you slice it, Banks ratted on Thomas. I don't think he did it on purpose, hence the term "dry snitching". But nevertheless he did. Don't hate the guy for it, I'm just calling it what it is.
Posted by Hessone

Honestly, I think he did it on purpose and I think more of banks for it. "Snitching" in this case was the act of an aggressive young rookie, who did not have all the makings of a great wide receiver and with a only a small chance of making the roster, who dimed-out a lazy and spoiled receiver who did have all the makings of a nfl pro-bowler but didn't have the heart or the drive.

The fact that Banks snitched was more than just a crass effort to make the team. It is very possible in some way resentment of thomas, who was cocky and took for granted all that he had, was the motivation for the incident.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | October 11, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I think we finally have a decent kicker. For the first time in a long time I have confidence when they bring the kicker out for a 40+ field goal. He's going to make most of those. Sure, he's missed a few, but he has the leg to make the long ones... not something we've had in a while.

Posted by: COskins | October 11, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Interesting point to ponder....

Which defense would you fear the most - the top ten 2009 Redskin defense or the low-ranked 2010 Version?

The 2010 version is already what we were told it would be - IT MAKES TURNOVERS! Plus, unlike the wimpy version last year, this year's version removes players from the playing field for the rest of the game. Yes, you will get more yards and pad your stats against the 2010 version, but you also risk having a 2010 vacation for the rest of the season!

HTTR - 2010 Redskins - building a team through inspiration, standards, discipline, and removing the weakest link and upgrading. 2009 Defense was icing on a cardboard box. 2010 Defense is a reinforced concrete box with no pretty exterior.

I hope this victory yesterday continues this team in believing themselves. From the owner who finally has allowed FOOTBALL people to make decisions to the Shanny and Son and Haslett to all the football players, I want to thank you all for making Sundays a reason to watch and to be proud again! Five games into the season and we can see this team will give us cliff-hangers till the end, but we can also say that there is no one on this team who has has phoned it in. And even in the cases of our former Prima Donnas, we see glimmers of hope.

Remember it took 6 games for Gibbs 1.0 to realize what he had and to change his game to match the team. Perhaps this team isn't a running team (flip from Gibbs 1.0); perhaps with a cannon behind center, the glaring answer is to let him go win games and to start pulling out anyone who can catch a ball and to just watch the fireworks. If we conclude such, we must ensure that he is given every asset to work his magic. And on a team that is full of imperfections, is it not fitting to have a quarterback who sends a few balls into the dirt? But just as you groan, 48 yards later there is a touchdown in the face of a blitz. TRUE GRIT, MY FRIENDS. TRUE GRIT.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 11, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Question: Has anyone heard from mirvin88 and all those other guys that were loud talking all summer about the Cowchips?

Posted by: rmcpks73 | October 11, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What a nice Monday! 4 out of 5 games go to the final play........exciting, entertaining and WINS. Down to the basics; we out muscled another team physically and mentally. What a great bounceback from the Rams debacle. I dont live in what ifs; scoreboard is all that matters. If you want your Monday funnies, go to the Cowpies web and read their whing...we beat ourselves, we're better then this, we have to excute and we will be alright. LMAO

Posted by: kirkoman | October 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

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