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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 01/ 3/2011

Graham Gano's future is cloudy after Sunday's game

By Jason Reid

The Redskins were expected to sign place kickers in the offseason
to challenge Graham Gano before he missed his 11th field-goal attempt in Sunday's season-ending 17-14 loss to the New York Giants.

But after Gano's 30-yard attempt sailed wide left, his standing on the team seems shaky heading into the offseason. Gano finished the season 24 of 35 on field goal attempts, a 68.6 average.

"I talked to him on the sideline and said, 'Hey, you've just got to stay focused, you've got to believe in yourself,' " Coach Mike Shanahan said. "You can't miss a field goal at that length.

"It's automatic. You're too good. It's got to be mental. It's not physical. Same thing I shared with him after the Tampa Bay game. That mind-set has got to be very, very strong if you're gonna be a kicker in this league."

By Jason Reid  | January 3, 2011; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Graham Gano  
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Comments

At the FIRST sign on struggling in training camp this guy could be gone...we probably end up at 8-8 if Oh-No Gano can make a chip shot FG...

Great stuff from Boswell this morning summing up the 2010 season:

"In Shanahan's first year, the Redskins increasingly look like a team that can put 11 men on the field (not 10 or 12), almost all of whom actually know their assignments and show a professional level of enthusiasm. Twice, at Tennessee and Jacksonville, the defense was reduced to a quasi-JV by injuries. Yet they played cohesively and won. When the game is close and late, the Redskins win as often as they lose, because they are reasonably organized and don't beat themselves constantly."

Right or wrong, we've got a direction for a change...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Gano is a young guy who is still learning the ropes. I think the team has to stick with him a while longer. Bring in the competition and see what he can do when stacked up against others. My personal opinion is the team needs a new special teams coach. Danny Smith doesn't know how to develop punters or kickers. If they keep Danny around they at least should get a kick/punt specialist to help develop these guys. Think about it. The team drafted a former Ray Guy winner at punter and Danny Smith couldn't do anything with him. Gano tore it up in college and yet he continues to struggle under Danny Smith. There are numerous other examples and the only success he has had in his tenure is when the team has elected to buy a skill set. Even then, it seems like the veteran kickers and punters end up on IR.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Gano stinks. I had to look away everytime he kicked this year.

The Tampa Bay game was absolutely rididculous.

That being said I feel good about where this team is headed.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 6:42 AM | Report abuse

RSH, if it were so easy to develop or find elite level Ks and Ps, then everyone would have one...and certainly we wouldn't have gone 20 years without either one. Truth of the matter is it's every bit as hard to find as a franchise QB.

I'm sort of torn on Gano...part of me wants him gone, the other part of me doesn't wanna give up on him and then watch him go on and become David Akers 2.0 in another city. Watching how well Suisham is playing in Pittsburgh just makes me sick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is hanling Gano the right way. You have to show confidence in a young kicker.

Gano just needs to start making kicks sooner or later.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 3, 2011 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to see the QB from Mizzo. at the top of the mock drafts right behind Luck.

Did he say he was coming out because he was no where to be found a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

RSH, if it were so easy to develop or find elite level Ks and Ps, then everyone would have one...and certainly we wouldn't have gone 20 years without either one. Truth of the matter is it's every bit as hard to find as a franchise QB.

I'm sort of torn on Gano...part of me wants him gone, the other part of me doesn't wanna give up on him and then watch him go on and become David Akers 2.0 in another city. Watching how well Suisham is playing in Pittsburgh just makes me sick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 6:58 AM
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I think some special teams coaches are better at developing these guys than others. How does a team like Miami get a guy like Carpenter as an undrafted free agent and make him a reliable kicker for three seasons? David Akers was bouncing around to a bunch of teams, but once he landed with the Eagles eleven years ago he has been solid. Robbie Gould went to a couple of teams before the Bears claimed him and he has been their kicker for the last six years.

Here's another thing to ponder: how can a team like the Rams take punters and kickers that were cast off from other teams and have the leader in field goals and the leader in punt average?

I think there is a body of evidence that supports the fact that some special teams coaches excel with devleoping kickers and punters. Washington hasn't had a coach like that since Wayne Sevier (remember Chip Lohmiller?) Remember too, that although it is easy to pick on Gano, there have been issues with snapping the ball and holding the ball this year as well. That falls on the teams coach, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a body of evidence that supports the fact that some special teams coaches excel with devleoping kickers and punters. Washington hasn't had a coach like that since Wayne Sevier (remember Chip Lohmiller?) Remember too, that although it is easy to pick on Gano, there have been issues with snapping the ball and holding the ball this year as well. That falls on the teams coach, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:23 AM


I can buy that...but sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

While we haven't had steady kicking and punting here, our kick coverage units don't give up much in the way of return yardage or return TDs. I'm thinking that's why Danny Smith has stuck around here thru 3 regimes now...coaches see the value in keeping a guy who can make sure you're not surrendering a ton of points/yardage in the return game even if he's not exactly developing the next Adam Vinatieri.

Ask Pittsburgh if having solid coverage units means anything...it basically cost them a shot at defending their title last season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse


I can buy that...but sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

While we haven't had steady kicking and punting here, our kick coverage units don't give up much in the way of return yardage or return TDs. I'm thinking that's why Danny Smith has stuck around here thru 3 regimes now...coaches see the value in keeping a guy who can make sure you're not surrendering a ton of points/yardage in the return game even if he's not exactly developing the next Adam Vinatieri.

Ask Pittsburgh if having solid coverage units means anything...it basically cost them a shot at defending their title last season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:29 AM
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Agree with the coverage units. Danny Smith has always had good coverage units. Is it enough for a ST coach to have good coverage units, but mediocre kicker/punters? Frankly, I am tired of it, but maybe that is not the prevailing mentality at Redskins park. A compromise would be to hire an assistant special teams coach that could just work with kickers/punters. When you consider how many games have hinged on a field goal or two, I think it would be a worthwhile investment...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse


Remember too, that although it is easy to pick on Gano, there have been issues with snapping the ball and holding the ball this year as well. That falls on the teams coach, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:23 AM |
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indeed, been sayin all year the long snapper would cost us a game, but like gano, sunberg is young and were going to have to be patient with their progress

Posted by: hessone | January 3, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

A compromise would be to hire an assistant special teams coach that could just work with kickers/punters. When you consider how many games have hinged on a field goal or two, I think it would be a worthwhile investment...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:38 AM


I know it sounds crazy, but it might be worth making a run at Steve Crosby for the kind of role you're talking about...that dude is sure to be fired after the shibacle the Chargers' special teams were this season, but it's worth noting he's got one of the best K/P tandems in the league with Kaeding and Scifres...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Remember too, that although it is easy to pick on Gano, there have been issues with snapping the ball and holding the ball this year as well. That falls on the teams coach, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:23 AM |
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indeed, been sayin all year the long snapper would cost us a game, but like gano, sunberg is young and were going to have to be patient with their progress

Posted by: hessone | January 3, 2011 7:39 AM
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Yeah, that's what Brown and my convo was about: if you keep the young guys, who will coach them up? Is Danny Smith the guy? There's not much evidence that he can develop long snappers either. Remember, he had Albright as his snapper for almost his entire tenure with the Skins and Albright came to the Redskins as a finished product.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

A compromise would be to hire an assistant special teams coach that could just work with kickers/punters. When you consider how many games have hinged on a field goal or two, I think it would be a worthwhile investment...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:38 AM


I know it sounds crazy, but it might be worth making a run at Steve Crosby for the kind of role you're talking about...that dude is sure to be fired after the shibacle the Chargers' special teams were this season, but it's worth noting he's got one of the best K/P tandems in the league with Kaeding and Scifres...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:44 AM
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Sounds like a plan. Let me get Bruce Allen on the phone...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

mercifully over...if you haven't already go see/rent the movie, "The Town" great, great flick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

mercifully over...if you haven't already go see/rent the movie, "The Town" great, great flick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:03 AM


Gee, why am I not surprised to see a guy under the handle "BeantownGreg1" up here pimping a film featuring Affleck sporting a putrid Boston accent? In other news, R. Kelly like the talent at high school proms and DHall enjoys playing the ball...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Graham Gano's future is cloudy after Sunday's game


Cloudy as a redskin, yes.

But I'd retain him and send challengers at him.

Me?: I fault an offense that doesn't score touchdowns, not the kicker.

Something is wrong when winning and losing becomes the province of field goal kicking, not long time consuming drives that culminate in touchdowns.

This NFL season saw a record number of touchdown passes...

...everywhere but in Washington.

Field goals are supposed to be the exception, not the rule in a sport where the rules encourage passing and scoring.

Don't blame Gano.

Blame the people with 'intimate knowledge' of Kyle Shanahan's non-touchdown producing offensive system.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

brown, ha, good flick just the same....ties to my location not withstanding....

what a mess in dc though...yuk...this offseason will go a LONG, LONG way to determining how successful Mike S is gonna be as the coach of this team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

beantowngreg

You'd like "The Fighter"--another decent Massechusetts set film.

It's a true story about a boxer from Lowell named Mickey Ward.

Christian Bale should get Oscar notice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Blame the people with 'intimate knowledge' of Kyle Shanahan's non-touchdown producing offensive system.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:14 AM |

It didn't have any problems in Houston scoring TD's, once we have a QB that can run it properly and is a top level NFL QB unlike Rex it will be fine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

mercifully over...if you haven't already go see/rent the movie, "The Town" great, great flick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:03 AM
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Bean,
I was in Boston last week - took the kids to the science museum (great place, by the way). Tell me, could Bill Belichik pretty much get away with anything in that town? I mean, geesh, talk about keys to the city... he probably has the Mayor on speed dial.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I might buy that rationale if we were a dome team or something but this is the NFC East we're talking about...there really aren't any juggernaut offenses in our division. Historically, we're about running the ball, winning the battle of field position, and grinding out wins that way. It's easy to say "we should be scoring TDs", but that doesn't excuse the fact that the FG kicker has left a lot to be desired.

I mean, this is the team that had a kicker win MVP during a SB season for cripes sakes. Kicking is important whether you're consistently scoring TDs or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

moe, yeah thats next on my list, I've heard good things about that film as well...local talk radio was saying that the film opened in Lowell, and that all of Wards family was there...apparently his mother wasn't impressed with how she was accurately portrayed on the screen and she walked out...same with 1 of his sisters...truth hurts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

once we have a QB that can run it properly and is a top level NFL

A top level quarterback and A Johnson is what you mean.

Do ya' think pick 10 is a quarterback and the second rounder a pass catcher?

I wonder.

Plus, can't a brother be a lil snarky this mornin'?

I really thought we could've won that game yesterday.

The defense played well enough to win.

But Rex's batted passes and the turnovers by him and Santana were killers.

And I'm trying to figure out why we abandoned pounding Torain when it was getting yardage in the 1st and 2nd quarters.

So I'm a lil bitter--excuse the attitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

It didn't have any problems in Houston scoring TD's, once we have a QB that can run it properly and is a top level NFL QB unlike Rex it will be fine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:19 AM


Exactly...some of the more reliable talking heads have looked at the tape and said that the offense works fine...the Skins just don't have the horses to run it effectively. Once we get the right QB and a couple more quality lineman, this offense should be right on track.

Now, if we could get the defense going...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't blame Gano.

Blame the people with 'intimate knowledge' of Kyle Shanahan's non-touchdown producing offensive system.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:14 AM
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Come on, Moe. The offense moved the ball quite well yesterday. The problem was they coughed the ball up in the red zone twice. Osi Umenyiora owned Trent Williams yesterday. Jason Tuck had his way with Jamaal Brown. If you ask me, that game yesterday was all the proof you need that the Redskins need to think offensive linemen in the draft. It doesn't matter who is throwing the ball if you have Osi running up your blind side readying his tomahawk chop...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

So I'm a lil bitter--excuse the attitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:25 AM |

No problem you are entilted to be pissed off I know you are not a normal whiner.

I think we need a top flight WR not sure where they are going to get him from though.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

beantowngreg

You'd like "The Fighter"--another decent Massechusetts set film.

It's a true story about a boxer from Lowell named Mickey Ward.

Christian Bale should get Oscar notice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:18 AM
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When are they going to show Hagler the love by making a film about him? Used to love the Hearns-Hagler war...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The defense played well enough to win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:25 AM


Dude, don't take this the wrong way but I gotta ask...what's the difference between this game and the Vikings game? You came on here in the wake of the loss to the Vikes saying the loss was all on the defense despite only giving up 17 points...this game they give up the exact same amount of points (including a horrific 92 yard TD) yet they "played well enough to win". Can you clarify?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

rsh, the Science museum is a great take, did you happen to get to the Childrens Museum??

yeah, BB is pretty much without question in this town, he's got carte blanche...they could numerous dead things/people in his trunk, and they'd look the other way...but if you look at what he did yesterday, without Welker/Branch/Gronkowski who were inactive, and they still put up over 500 yards of offense/over 30 points, kinda makes you puke in your mouth a little...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...there really aren't any juggernaut offenses in our division. Historically, we're about running the ball, winning the battle of field position, and grinding out wins that way.


This is mythology.

Please let it die.

The NFC East features three very good passing teams: the iggles, jints, and 'boys.

The Eagles barely ran the ball the last 5 years McNabb was there--Westbrook and a screen pass WAS their running game.

Last year, the Eagles led the league in passes over 20-30+ yards.

And Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson--a quarterback and receiver--are the two best offensive performers in the division this year.

Miles Austin and Jason Witten are of more value and production in Dallas than Felix Jones and Marian Barber.

And yesterday, Eli's elite arm--and not Jacobs' legs--took over to win against the redskins.

And while you argue about the NFC East and the 'grind it out wins, in the cold' maybe you'll notice that the best teams in NFC/AFC--Atlanta/Nawlins/PATS--do something well that we don't:

They pass the ball to win and run only to keep things honest.

Let the mythology die, people--it's a passing league.

Maybe we should join it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Don't forget they have 3 of the top 33 picks in this year draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I think we need a top flight WR not sure where they are going to get him from though.

Paging Vincent Jackson....Vincent Jackson report to Redskins 1.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

redskinshead

If you ask me, that game yesterday was all the proof you need that the Redskins need to think offensive linemen in the draft

You are aware that the two player who got 'owned'--Trent Williams and Jammal Brown were 1st round picks?

Tuck/Osi are special players--they'll 'own' anybody you stick in front of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...what's the difference between this game and the Vikings game?..Can you clarify?

This is easy: the jints whipped our butts the last time we played them.

Maybe you didn't notice the second time around, we showed up.

The redskin D was run over like a skunk on the highway a month ago.

But AH, Golston, P Buchanan getting beat, K Moore, and a lot of poor tackling/over-pursuit had something to do with the Giants offense cramming the ball down our throats.

A Bryant, D Scott, V Holliday, R Doughty, K Barnes, and J Jarmon--guys who did not play against the Vikes or Jints earlier-- stood up to shut down Jacobs.

Adam Carriker has finally lived up to his draft pedigree, too.

The clarification lies in that a hungrier set of guys played D yesterday.

And if out offense doesn't have the turnovers and batted balls, we score to where 17 points doesn't beat us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

They pass the ball to win and run only to keep things honest.

Let the mythology die, people--it's a passing league.

Maybe we should join it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:38 AM

Well Moe, hate to let fact get in the way of a good argument, but here's where we rank along with our rivals in passing:

6. Dallas Cowboys
8. Washington Redskins
9. Philadelphia Eagles
10. New York Giants

...and where the NFC East ranks in rushing:

5. Philadelphia Eagles
6. New York Giants
16. Dallas Cowboys
30. Washington Redskins

Curiously enough, the two losing NFC East teams are ranking higher in passing and the rushing rankings are in the same order as the finish in the standings.

Hell, even the pass-heavy Patriots rank 9th in rushing.

So while I agree that the NFL has morphed more into a passing league than years past, running the ball is still VERY important.

Fundamental football is running the ball and stopping the run. That principle is timeless.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I think yesterday was the first truly bad game Trent Williams has played all year. He's made some mistakes but generally held his own against a murderer's row of elite pass rushers this season.

He was Osi's byatch yesterday though. Ugh.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 3, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Gano sucks.

I would have cut the guy 8 games ago. I don't wanna hear all of these "Oh, he's learning the ropes." crap because he's not. He's not a QB, RB, WR, or even a DB.

His job is to kick a ball, that's it and he can't do it. Hopefully next year they will bring someone else in who can make extra points and 30 and under field goals.

Gano lost at least 3 games all by himself this year. If his pysche needs to be coddled that much then he shouldn't be kicking in the NFL.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 3, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

--what year are your numbers from?:

My argument is that the NFC East has become a passing division over the past 5 years

--the passing data reflects NFC East teams as top 10 passing teams:

That supports my argument, not yours.

--Mike Vick's rushing/scrambling off passing plays skews Philly's rushing stats, btw

--these two teams (16. Dallas Cowboys
30. Washington Redskins) are in the bottom half of a rushing list you provide, which means they pass the ball a lot

They have losing records, too, and the passing they do is the result of trying to catch up to a passing team that's put points on the board.

That, again, your evidence supports my argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm just glad it's over. Last year was more fun -- not for the football games but for trying to chase Snyder out of town. This season was just ugly after the first few games.

J. Reid seems to think Shanahan is going to be very active signing free agents this off season. Not sure if that's a good idea or not but they better do something.

Boswell can put a gloss on it, but fact is, we stink.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

if you haven't read it yet, check this out...not for the faint of heart:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/01/mark_schlereth_on_mike_shanaha.html#more

not warm and fuzzy by any stretch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS UNVEIL OFF-SEASON PRACTICE JERSEY

ASHBURN, VA -- As members of the Washington Redskins gather this morning at Redskins Park for a final meeting before clearing out their lockers and heading quietly out into another undistinguished off-season, Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan is unveiling a new practice jersey that he’ll personally hand out to selected members of the team.

The burgundy and gold jersey -– which is expected to be worn at all optional training activities conducted during the off-season -- looks remarkably similar to the Redskin home jersey from the 2010 season, but with one “minor” modification: the numbers and name tags are affixed with Velcro. According to team insiders, this will allow for easier swaps out of players and positions on the off-season team rosters --while saving on the team’s wardrobe budget too.

Team insiders said that Shanahan has already decreed that anyone who decides to skip his “optional” off-season conditioning program will be expected to turn in their practice jersey -- if only to allow someone else to use it and take up their roster spot.

Moreover, player names and numbers will also be removed from the team’s off-season helmets, shoes, footballs and other equipment. However, any of the carrousel of players expected to visit Redskins Park over the next several months will be permitted to rent the equipment from the team at a modest rate -- set by the hour, with special discounts available for anyone who wants to rent it for a whole day at a time.

Team owner Dan Snyder reportedly glommed onto the idea of turning a profit on player ball, shoe and equipment rentals following a recent night out at his local bowling alley.

The first player to receive the new practice jersey was Redskins third-string quarterback, John Beck -- the only QB on the current roster who is both under contract and expected to return for next season.

In perhaps another sign of things to come, when former starting QB Donovan McNabb stepped up to receive his practice jersey, he was told there were none available in his size at the moment -- but team officials might be able to find one if he would be willing to restructure his contract.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 3, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Gano had a 68% success rate this season, and is 71% for his career (i.e., including his 4 kicks last year). If you look at the stats for long-time successful kickers, they hover at or above 80%, so that's the break point for me. I assume all of those guys had a down year somewhere, so if I were in charge I'd willing to give Gano another shot, which would consist of an invite to training camp to compete again 2-3 others for the job. Percentage aside, he's missed too many chipshots for me to give him a pass.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 3, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha, good one vic, I love your posts..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

So while I agree that the NFL has morphed more into a passing league than years past, running the ball is still VERY important.

Fundamental football is running the ball and stopping the run. That principle is timeless.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I think you both are correct to an extent. You don't win without balance. And Skins/Boys being ranked ahead of Philly in passing is a bit misleading- teams playing catchup tend to throw much more. Most important offensive stat is points, and Philly was 1st in the NFC with 27.4 pts/game, basically tied w/SD for NFL lead (27.6).

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 3, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha, good one vic, I love your posts..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 9:18 AM

Thanks! The current wife made a New Year's resolution that if she can't say something nice about someone, she won't say anything at all.

She then wished me a Happy New Years, and hasn't spoken another word since. Bliss!

Posted by: Vic1 | January 3, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

My argument is that the NFC East has become a passing division over the past 5 years

--the passing data reflects NFC East teams as top 10 passing teams:

That supports my argument, not yours.

--Mike Vick's rushing/scrambling off passing plays skews Philly's rushing stats, btw

--these two teams (16. Dallas Cowboys
30. Washington Redskins) are in the bottom half of a rushing list you provide, which means they pass the ball a lot

They have losing records, too, and the passing they do is the result of trying to catch up to a passing team that's put points on the board.

That, again, your evidence supports my argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 9:05 AM


What are you talking about? You said running the ball is a thing of the past and that we need to become a passing team. I'm telling you that we pass it better than the two division rivals that finished above us in the standings (yardage-wise, at least). I don't see where that's supporting your argument so much as refuting the notion that passing the ball will magically make us better on offense.

As Notorious said, it's about balance. And THAT'S why we're not competitive on offense, not the lack of a passing attack. Because as it stands now, we play catch-up with the best of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

And I'm trying to figure out why we abandoned pounding Torain when it was getting yardage in the 1st and 2nd quarters.

So I'm a lil bitter--excuse the attitude.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:25 AM


no kidding, have no idea why we abandoned Torain when he showed a hell of a burst yesterday???

another game of Moss and Cooley looking mediocre, as well. Like them both, but they are not helping their chances...

T. Williams struggled against Osi, but I expected that, though there were parts of the game that he played extremely well, as did J. Brown.

Barnes played pretty well I thought, Orakpo called held during that game, worst than I have seen all season...refs sucked, but not why we lost that game.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 3, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Home:
Arizona (5-11)
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Minnesota (6-10)
New England (14-2)
New York Jets (11-5)
New York Giants (10-6)
Philadelphia (10-6)
San Francisco (6-10)

Away:
Buffalo (4-12)
Carolina (2-14)
Dallas (6-10)
Miami (7-9)
New York Giants (10-6)
Philadelphia (10-6)
Seattle (6-9)*
St. Louis (7-8)*


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Tough Home Schedule, save for ARZ

Weak a$$ away schedule outside the division

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Gano is young. But he inspires no confidence. It's not as if he has a rocket leg that makes his jitters and lack of experience worthwhile- recall he was SHORT on a 48 yarder this year!!

Cut him, send Haynesworth to Indy for Vinatieri. Yea, I said it (I've been drinking). I know it'll never happen but would be the best/funniest trade ever. I'd love to see the look on 92's face when told he'd been traded for a kicker (even the most clutch of all time)

In all seriousness, end the Gano experiment, fire Danny Smith (sorry pal, too many mistakes), bring in Jeff Reed or another proven vet. We have enough issues, kicker needn't be among them.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 3, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Rak got held a ton during the game, good lord mondays suck

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 3, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

4th, agreed, I was hoping to exact some revenge against NE, however that looks like it wont happen....based on what I'm seeing, 8-8 sounds about right for next year....booked

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Gano looked annoyed with the snapper after the miss. There did seem to be a long pause from the snapper after the holder made his signal. In fact, it looked as though the holder had to signal for the snap twice. That freaked Gano out and he missed the kick.

The kid has a strong leg, but he seems mentally fragile. That is a killer for a kicker. The best kickers can hang around in the game into their late 30s and 40s, way past the time their leg fades, because the ability to handle pressure is more important.

I don't think Gano is NFL ready yet. He may never be ready. However, he shouldn't be cut. Keep in camp, make sure his successor can beat him out in a fair competition.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think our record will be worse next year, going on record saying so...if we have a young qb or Rex, I dont see us being much better, esp. if we dont have a solid healthy running game...torain has looked good, but he has proven he can stay healthy, hope so, but I doubt it. Unless our defense is drastically better, I dont see us winning more games, until 2012. That hurt typing that...

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 3, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

--the passing data reflects NFC East teams as top 10 passing teams:

That supports my argument, not yours.

--Mike Vick's rushing/scrambling off passing plays skews Philly's rushing stats, btw

--these two teams (16. Dallas Cowboys
30. Washington Redskins) are in the bottom half of a rushing list you provide, which means they pass the ball a lot

They have losing records, too, and the passing they do is the result of trying to catch up to a passing team that's put points on the board.

That, again, your evidence supports my argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 9:05 AM

Mr. Burke...Paging Mr. Burke...your nerdness is needed.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is hanling Gano the right way. You have to show confidence in a young kicker.

Gano just needs to start making kicks sooner or later.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 3, 2011 7:11 AM

Shanahan and I know it would be stupid to get rid of Gano now. He will be here through training camp, and more than likely our kicker next year.....I have no problem with that at this point. He got in game experince in a season that was a rebuild year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, "kicker" is your most glaring need.

Posted by: peauxsucent888 | January 3, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Balance is absolutely the key. There is a post above that asks why the Redskins "abandoned running with Torain" (paraphrased) when he was destroying the defense. But remember the Tampa Bay game? They stuck with Torain and he put up huge numbers.

Problem was, they forgot to really use that to their advantage and use the run to set up the pass. Instead, because they were so excited about this, they kept running the ball through the first half and they did it well. But TB made adjustments and limited the Redskins offense in the second half.

So instead of having TB off balance by the half, the Skins made themselves one-dimensional - a running team. (Which is kinda weird because teams usually do this with the pass.) They lost the perfect chance for balance...

Posted by: fan-o-matic | January 3, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan and I know it would be stupid to get rid of Gano now. He will be here through training camp, and more than likely our kicker next year.....I have no problem with that at this point. He got in game experince in a season that was a rebuild year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Really? Really??? There were 20 - TWENTY - kickers at 80% or better this year. Gano couldn't even make 70%!! What's this massive upside people think he's worth developing?? Leg strength is average at best, he rarely gives us a touchback, and he is so clearly a mental midget. He has to go.

This is my last post today on a kicker, so help me God.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 3, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Gano will gain the confidence needed to play in the NFL (skins)... I know he is young, but the missed FG's have hurt this yr.

Another long off-season once again bleh...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 3, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

College career

Gano attended Florida State University from 2005 to 2008, playing as a kicker and punter for the Florida State Seminoles.

During his senior year at Florida State, Gano won the Lou Groza Award as the nation's top place kicker. He also finished first in the FBS for field goals made, percentage of field goals converted and 50-yard field goals made. He was one of only two kickers in college to make over 90% of his field goal attempts in 2008.

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He holds the Seminoles single season record for 50 yard field goals, completing five straight attempts from 50 yards or longer. Despite only kicking for one season, he finished second in career 50-yard field goals at FSU.

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Las Vegas Locomotives


....and hit what was at the time a UFL record long field goal of 53 yards. He was also responsible for the winning field goal which gave the Locomotives the first ever UFL championship.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Gano

I think if you keep his confidence up, he can do what he's been doing and every stage....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith should go. I have no idea how he has managed to survive two regime changes.

His coverage teams have been ok, at best, with a tendancy for occasional melt downs.

Kick returns have been solid, with Cartwright and Thomas, but they never, ever looked a major threat to score.

Until Banks turned up, punt returns have been awful. You can a lot of that on Randle EL, but why keep him out there? If they guy is going to try returning kicks, find someone who will and coach them to do it better.

Then there has been the kicking game. Kicking and punting has been no better than poor for Smith's entire tenure. Kick-offs broke into the acceptable category this year, but the improvement came from a strong legged kicker who cannot split the uprights.

Everything about Smith's time here suggests he can neither evaluate or coach kickers.

The best thing Dan Snyder can do with his pocket book this year is to throw money at the best free-agent guards and the Bears' special teams coach. Chicago has had consistently good special teams play for years. It isn't just Hester, though he helps, there isn't a weakness. There blocking schemes are clever and well exectued. Their kicking games are consistently good despite playing in generally worse weather. Sure they've found good players, but that is part of the job. The coverage and blocking units are also effective.


Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 3, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Geez, this is pretty depressing. Anyone have a different view?
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Ewoldt: "Well, Warren Sapp said Bruce Allen is nothing more than a guy that plays golf with the alumni and works the salary cap and contracts."

Schlereth: "[laughing] If that's the case...I've known Mike for a very long time in regards to those personnel moves and there are a lot of things you kind of look at and scratch your head and I could go through tons of them that happened in Denver which made zero sense."

Ewoldt: "For example?"

Schlereth: "Let's start with the draft. Ashley Lelie. Really? Deltha O'Neal, who played running back in college at Cal Berkley got switched to defensive back. We drafted him in the first round. Does that truly make sense? Guys like Willie Middlebrooks. You've never heard of them. [Willie was a] defensive back from the University of Minnesota that never panned out. 1st round draft choice. George Foster -1st round draft choice, who was injured his last year in college with a broken wrist and really couldn't bend his wrist. A lot of people thought he'd be available in the 4th or 5th round and we took him with the 24th pick overall in the draft. I can go on and on and on.

"And then free agent wise. Whether it was Daryl Gardener from the Miami Dolphins or a handful of other guys that really didn't pan out. A lot of poor moves in that regard. When you make poor draft choices, and that's the biggest thing, you're forced to chase those poor draft choices because if they don't pan out, in the free agent market you try to patch a hole. The problem being one bad choice makes you chase another guy and another guy. It makes you draft people and chase free agents out of position and overpay those guys. I think it's been a problem in Washington even before Mike ever got there."

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It appears to the un-trained eye that the Skins pick 7th according to NFL Official Standings. What am I missing?

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

Posted by: Spanglerg | January 3, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to play GM for a minute (to see if anyone agrees with me at all-- seriously, not trying to pick a fight or sound dumb to the smartarses around heeyah):

If we can't trade up for Luck (assuming that he comes out), how about trading down from the #10 spot, throw in a 2012 2nd rounder, and Haynesworth to New England for #17 and #32, this year.

With the #17 pick, draft Pouncey at guard (Florida); with the #32 pick, draft Wiseniewski at center (Penn State); and grab the best right guard available in free agency.

Sure, that still leaves QB, OLB, FS, and especially NT as needs, but the O-Line sured up, ain't it?

Well, a guy can dream... and it's early...

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 3, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Let's talk about some young guys worth keeping

1)Rob Jackson. This kid has clearly made big strides on the practice squad and has shown a real burst in the last two games. I favor his chances to grab a starting OLB spot next year and see him developing into a legit pass rusher.

2)Terrance Austin. Haven't seen much but he runs a sub 4.4 40 and definitely has a swagger...sounds like another former PAC 10 WR in the NFC East of similar size. Not saying he's DeSean Jackson but he ought to be able to compete for a starting spot next year.

3) Anthony Bryant. Not as young but man this guy is a house, and pretty athletic for 360 lbs- noticed him get down the line several times yesterday to make some TFLs/no gain.

If we can nail this draft, I think we compete next year for a playoff spot. I know QB is a major ???, but Grossman is clearly serviceable as a short term bridge (81.5 passer rating thru 3 games is not bad, especially for a backup).

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 3, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

based on what I'm seeing, 8-8 sounds about right for next year....booked

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse
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I got McNabb back as the starter and we go 9-7 but still miss the playoffs.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Tough Home Schedule, save for ARZ

Weak a$$ away schedule outside the division

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:30 AM

Strangely, the Skins are a better road team (4-4) than home team (2-6 -- worst home record since 1994).

Oddly, this team beat all 3 playoff teams it faced (Iggles, Packers, Bears).

Wierdly, the Skins didn't dominate ANYONE this year, and half its vitories were OT wins.

If this team has taught me anything, it's that who they play doesn't really matter much. They can hang with the best, and stink with the worst. It will be na interesting off-season.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 3, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Geez, this is pretty depressing. Anyone have a different view?
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Ewoldt: "Well, Warren Sapp said Bruce Allen is nothing more than a guy that plays golf with the alumni and works the salary cap and contracts."

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:55 AM

I said just about the same thing a few days ago and Greg and a couple others ripped me for it...seems to me BA is a figure head to appease the fanbase, a link to the past that will engender some goodwill. Shanahan appears to have all the juice when it comes to personnel, which is obviously a pretty huge concern based on the stuff detailed by Schlereth.

Our only hope is that Shanahan snaps out of whatever funk he was in in Denver and steps up his game in DC. Plus, if we can get our hands on a great QB, that can camouflage some of the other holes.

Surely, you see why nobody's particularly confident in either scenario...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It appears to the un-trained eye that the Skins pick 7th according to NFL Official Standings. What am I missing?

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

Posted by: Spanglerg | January 3, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse
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Strength of schedule and division/conference records. WaltherFootball says we go 10th. He's usually right on that type of thing, but avoid his draft analysis.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if BMW will be playing for us next season, which will create a less need for o-linemen.

IF he can play well that is...

blowbach needs to go for sure though

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 3, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Black Monday is underway...Mangini out in Cleveland...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I'd want the GM to concentrate more on the $$ than the talent end.

I'm sure everyone has had more than a few stinkers in the their pics.. except for maybe BilleCHEAT.

You can point to a lot of good picks by Mike's teams, too.

I do recognize the trend of trying to get value on injured guys. Again, remember the 'doctored' SB squads. Those guys were more juiced up than Jack Lalaine

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

rsh, the Science museum is a great take, did you happen to get to the Childrens Museum??

yeah, BB is pretty much without question in this town, he's got carte blanche...they could numerous dead things/people in his trunk, and they'd look the other way...but if you look at what he did yesterday, without Welker/Branch/Gronkowski who were inactive, and they still put up over 500 yards of offense/over 30 points, kinda makes you puke in your mouth a little...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 8:35 AM
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Been to the Children's museum before, but the kids are kind of outgrowing that kind of thing. It is fantastic.

I won't dispute BB is a great coach. He's won with veterans, he's won with rookies - heck, he's won with other teams' castoffs, but God is it sickening to hear the Boston media gush about him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not gonna lie to you, reading that about MS was like eating a turd sammich...I was pretty hopeful that the new regime would operate on a much higher plane that the previous one...reading that list of players O'Neal/Middlebrooks/Foster...kinda makes today that much worse. Washington Redskins, embrace the suck...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Our only hope is that Shanahan snaps out of whatever funk he was in in Denver and steps up his game in DC. Plus, if we can get our hands on a great QB, that can camouflage some of the other holes.

Surely, you see why nobody's particularly confident in either scenario...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, Shanahan is due to have a good draft I guess...that's all we got now. Depressing. B. Allen is a contract guy, not much else, I think we all knew that last year. Wilbon and others noted at the time of the Shanahan hire that Coach had a poor track record drafting talent.

What I have to ask is why doesn't Snyder research these things? When is this guy going to "get" with the notion his most important hire is someone skilled in personnel evaluation... the single most important part of successful NFL teams?

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

btw - Florida State is not where you want to get your place kickers ... Trust me. I'm a 'Cane. Wide Right. Wide Left.

FIRE DANNY SMITH!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins, embrace the suck...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 10:14 AM


That should be the new ad campaign instead of plastering McNabb's face all over the place...I'll bet they feel stupid for doing that crap now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

redskinshead

If you ask me, that game yesterday was all the proof you need that the Redskins need to think offensive linemen in the draft

You are aware that the two player who got 'owned'--Trent Williams and Jammal Brown were 1st round picks?

Tuck/Osi are special players--they'll 'own' anybody you stick in front of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:44 AM
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Good point, but Brown's best years were spent with another team. I think he is worth keeping as a backup next year if the price is right. Williams wore down at the end of the season as sometimes happens with rookies who aren't used to sixteen game schedule. I'll think he'll play better against Osi next year.

As for Tuck and Osi being special players, I don't buy it as an excuse. These guys have to face special players week in and week out. Williams is supposed to be a "special" player, too. I think you take it for what it is: our offensive line got their collective hats handed to them once again. The draft needs to start with offensive linemen or a nose tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

rsh, might I recommend the Isabella Stewart Gardner as well as the Museum of Fine arts next time, if you didn't go there...also, eat every lunch/dinner in the North End....can't go wrong...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

What I have to ask is why doesn't Snyder research these things? When is this guy going to "get" with the notion his most important hire is someone skilled in personnel evaluation... the single most important part of successful NFL teams?

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 10:16 AM


The problem is Snyder is the one making those decisions instead of a top-shelf football guy. It's lather, rinse, repeat on mediocrity until we get a GM that makes the crucial calls like who coaches the team, who we draft, and who we pick up in FA. The one we have now schedules alumni luncheons and tells the team when to wear gold pants...not exactly franchise-altering stuff...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Black Monday is underway...Mangini out in Cleveland...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:08 AM
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Maybe Holmgren will hire Zorn to be his next head coach...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Embrace the suck? I watched the game yesterday with a six year old kid who just became a Redskins fan. I told him to wait for next year!

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse


8 Jason Campbell, QB
Oakland Raiders
Fantasy Stats

Key Stats
GP PYDS PCT TDs INT RATING
13 2387 59.0 13 8 84.5

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 3, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

rsh, might I recommend the Isabella Stewart Gardner as well as the Museum of Fine arts next time, if you didn't go there...also, eat every lunch/dinner in the North End....can't go wrong...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 10:25 AM
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I'll make a note of it. Thanks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Lot of positives coming out of that game, but if losing to the freakin' Giants for the 10th time in a row doesn't stick in your Redskin craw, nuthin' will..Kevin Barnes, Anthony Bryant, Armstrong fill needed slots..Grossman is a decent backup..You have to hit Osi before he blows around you, he needed a body on him..Gano is Guano..Ah bid the decent ladies and gentlemen of this blog a season-ending "Adieu", and to the Jersey Post Skin-hating moles up in here, The Great Bungholio Farts In Your General Direction..peaceout

Posted by: frak | January 3, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

8 Jason Campbell, QB
Oakland Raiders
Fantasy Stats

Key Stats
GP PYDS PCT TDs INT RATING
13 2387 59.0 13 8 84.5

sounds like the qb shanny was looking for... plus, 8-8 doesn't sound to bad...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 3, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

What I have to ask is why doesn't Snyder research these things? When is this guy going to "get" with the notion his most important hire is someone skilled in personnel evaluation... the single most important part of successful NFL teams?

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 10:16 AM

Shanahan probably wouldn't have agreed to a contract that didn't give him final authority on all personnel matters.

Snyder will do what it takes to bring in a marquee name, and those are Shanahan's terms.

Snyder's got to be a little frustrated. He struck out with his last personnel guy (Vinny C), and I'm sure his expectations are high for Shanahan.

I'm not a Shanahan fan, but the team needs a few more years of continuity at the top.

I'm just not sure Snyder won't get a roving eye for the next "hot" coach sooner rather than later if there isn't some marked improvement in the draft, free agency, and on the field next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 3, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Gano sucks.

I would have cut the guy 8 games ago. I don't wanna hear all of these "Oh, he's learning the ropes." crap because he's not. He's not a QB, RB, WR, or even a DB.

His job is to kick a ball, that's it and he can't do it. Hopefully next year they will bring someone else in who can make extra points and 30 and under field goals.

Gano lost at least 3 games all by himself this year. If his pysche needs to be coddled that much then he shouldn't be kicking in the NFL.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 3, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse


The problem I have with your argument is that sticking with Gano wasn't about this year, it was about next year and beyond.

If Gano were 30 years old I would agree with you but he's only 23 and has a big leg. You can't give up on young potential so quickly.

After about 7 games it became apparent that this was a rebuilding year, so why not stick with what you have and let him grow with the team?

If he is still shanking FG's next preseason and you have a guy who is better than him, fine, let him go. Otherwise you stick with him and let him figure this out now so when the team is finally good, he's ready to roll with them.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 3, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what Malcolm Kelly was doing this season? Was he just showing up at Redskins Park to get treatment, or was he taking the always popular "mental reps" at practice, too?

I really hope the coaches were keeping him mentally engaged with the offense. And I hope he got educated on how to stretch his freaking hamstrings. Next summer is probably big boy's last chance.

On a related note, were there any Devin Thomas sightings yesterday? According to his player page on NFL.com, he logged game time yesterday, but has no stats. Must've been on the field for kickoffs and punts. It's almost like he is who we thought he was.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Jiminy, put that QB on this team and watch even more fail. One of the things McLovin' & Rex-ineffectual had in common was the ability to get rid of the ball quickly. NE CE SSA RY.

No way Soup gets the ball out in time. You could hear the windup on that man. Click....click... click.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Las Vegas Locomotives

....and hit what was at the time a UFL record long field goal of 53 yards. He was also responsible for the winning field goal which gave the Locomotives the first ever UFL championship.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Gano

I think if you keep his confidence up, he can do what he's been doing and every stage....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse
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I'm really glad that he did well at Florida St. and that he won a big game in the UFL. I hope he has memorabilia on his mantle at home commemorating these accomplishments. Unfortunately, while in the NFL, he's only made 71% of his kicks over 20 games, and has had multiple misses of important chipshots and an extra point, and does not merit anything more than him being invited to compete for the position next season, at most.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 3, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what Malcolm Kelly was doing this season?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 10:37 AM


I heard he was filming the sequel to "Unbreakable"...still awaiting confirmation on that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

97 Lorenzo Alexander LB keep
13 Anthony Armstrong WR keep
18 Terrence Austin WR keep
16 Brandon Banks WR R keep
25 Kevin Barnes CB 2 keep (move to SS, good hitter and tackle}
3 John Beck QB keep
54 H.B. Blades LB 4 keep ST & back-up)
40 Andre Brown RB 2 cut
77 Jammal Brown T 6 resign (just started playing pretty good)
76 Anthony Bryant DT 4 keep (give shot @ NT play very well last night)
31 Phillip Buchanon CB keep (good back up
94 Adam Carriker DE 4 keep (best years are ahead)
99 Andre Carter LB 10 Trade for ANY pick you can get)
58 Erik Cook C R develop another year)
47 Chris Cooley TE 7 Trade for any thing you can get)
86 Fred Davis TE 3 keep (teach to block)
24 James Davis RB 2 cut
66 Derrick Dockery G cut or trade if possible)
37 Reed Doughty S keep Back-up
59 London Fletcher LB keep
4 Graham Gano K develop & Bring in compitition
8 Rex Grossman QB Keep
23 DeAngelo Hall CB Keep
20 Macho Harris S cut
74 Stephon Heyer T cut
75 Artis Hicks G cut
91 Vonnie Holliday DE keep
50 Rob Jackson DE keep
90 Jeremy Jarmon DE keep
29 Reggie Jones CB cut
73 Joe Joseph DT cut
78 Kory Lichtensteiger keep
52 Rocky McIntosh LB trade
5 Donovan McNabb QB trade during draft for any thing..1st offer
63 Will Montgomery C keep
89 Santana Moss WR resign
98 Brian Orakpo LB DAH
1 Sam Paulescu P cut
82 Logan Paulsen TE keep
61 Casey Rabach C cut
38 Sha'reff Rashad cut
56 Perry Riley LB keep
22 Carlos Rogers CB let go (too much $ for what u get)
72 Darrion Scott DE cut
45 Mike Sellers RB keep
57 Nick Sundberg C keep but draft a C in later rounds
46 Ryan Torain RB keep
34 Byron Westbrook CB keep (ST & back up)
35 Keiland Williams RB keep 3rd down RB & back-up
87 Roydell Williams WR cut
71 Trent Williams T keeper for years
95 Chris Wilson LB keep
36 Darrel Young RB cut
Clinton Portis RB cut

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 3, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

25 Kevin Barnes CB 2 keep (move to SS, good hitter and tackle}

can someone please get Barnes a sandwhich, or something....he makes kate moss look fat....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

It didn't have any problems in Houston scoring TD's, once we have a QB that can run it properly and is a top level NFL QB unlike Rex it will be fine.

Posted by: Flounder21

Once again Flounder with his bs blaming it all on the qb then looking at his frat buddy and seeing the real problem.

Houston in 2009 was first in passing yardage and 10th in points. Washington under Kyle is 8th in passing yards and 25th in points.

Flounder it is the offense not the qb. Give McNabb and this offense another year in the system and he would throw 4500 yards and the 'skins would score middle of the pack points.

Hell Grossman might throw 4000 years next year ... with over 40 turnovers and middle of the pack in points.

Furthermore, what has either Shanahan won in the last five years?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 3, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

LOL Greg, I was thinking the same thing yesterday...I thought Barnes had a couple long strings coming from his jersey, come to find out those were actually his arms...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

you can't just Cut every one but like 5-6 guys in 1 year, this is going to be a great year to pick up quality FAs on the cheap, (lots to choose from)and AHs contract is going to have a definitive effect on how teams look at signing FAs in the future. the prices are going to come down and be shorter. start going the way of the Pats and hoard draft picks the next few years. Only get FA that are young, speedy and HUNGRY.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 3, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Denver and Houston were 2nd and 3rd in total yardage in 2008 but 16th and 17th in total points.

It must be all Schaub and Cutler's fault that they couldn't make more TDs.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 3, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

LOL Greg, I was thinking the same thing yesterday...I thought Barnes had a couple long strings coming from his jersey, come to find out those were actually his arms...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 11:11 AM |


Yeah he could use another 10 lbs or so - but he was out there doing some pretty good hitting yesterday. Wish he'd try a little harder to tackle instead of blowing the guy up. He's not big enough or bad enough for that.

Posted by: edvar | January 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

sign or draft Linemen, both sides of the ball. Average or slightly above Average QBs & RBs can play behind a great o-Line.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 3, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I heard he was filming the sequel to "Unbreakable"...still awaiting confirmation on that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I can confirm that, as well as Carlos Rogers turning down the role of Thing in the next Fantastic 4, claims his hands are turning back to normal cause of the pick last week, but he is signed up to play the role of Rainman in the remake, should be epic....

Posted by: monk811 | January 3, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah he could use another 25 lbs or so

fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 3, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I heard he was filming the sequel to "Unbreakable"...still awaiting confirmation on that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I can confirm that, as well as Carlos Rogers turning down the role of Thing in the next Fantastic 4, claims his hands are turning back to normal cause of the pick last week, but he is signed up to play the role of Rainman in the remake, should be epic....

Posted by: monk811 | January 3, 2011 11:18 AM |

More like the stand-in for Johnny Depp in the sequel to "Edward Scissor-hands".

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 3, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I am almost convinced we will not pick a QB at #10. That means we will go with DLine.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2727

J J Watt

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Jiminy, put that QB on this team and watch even more fail. One of the things McLovin' & Rex-ineffectual had in common was the ability to get rid of the ball quickly. NE CE SSA RY.

No way Soup gets the ball out in time. You could hear the windup on that man. Click....click... click.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 10:44 AM

One thing we know is JC put up similar numbers last year and this year--two different teams, two different systems, two very shaky O-lines.

And this year, just like last year, his performace got better as the year went on.

He had a 93.3 passer rating over his last 4 games. His passer rating of 91.3 on Sunday marked the 7th time in 13 games played in he had a rating of 90 or higher.

He made his team better.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 3, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Im not a Locker fan and I hope Shanahan isn't either. I would like to see them get Andy Dalton from TCU.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 3, 2011 6:49 AM

I was thinking the same thing. No way on Locker at #10. The guy looks like a huge project and I'm not crazy about him even as a second rounder. Dalton looks big enough, has a good arm, looks defenders off. Just seems alot more polished. Also wondered whether JJ Watt of Wisconsin would make a decent 3-4 end. He looks the part anyway. Pouncy would be nice as well. With their needs at ol and front 7 I'm not crazy about drafting a RB but Ingram? Man he looks good.

Posted by: skinswest | January 3, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

More like the stand-in for Johnny Depp in the sequel to "Edward Scissor-hands".

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 3, 2011 11:25 AM


Hell, I'd take that...at least he's got a shot at spearing a shear thru the ball and gaining possession...certainly trumps having salad tongs for hands...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I am almost convinced we will not pick a QB at #10. That means we will go with DLine.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2727

J J Watt

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 11:25 AM

5 min ahead of me 4th. Watt as a 3-4 end next to Orakpo or from the other side could be formidable

Posted by: skinswest | January 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Of the 10 losses this season, Gano may have been the difference in 4 of them.

In 2 losses, he had no FG attempts.

In 3 losses, he made all his attempts.

In 5 losses, he missed one or more attempts:

Hou. 27-30 2 misses
Indy 24-27 1 miss
NYG 7-31 1 miss
TAM 16-17 2 misses
NYG 14-17 1 miss

So he wasn't relevant to the loss in the first Giants game. But the other four, he cost us either a shot at overtime or an outright win.

Boy wouldn't a 10-6 season look a lot different from 6-10....

Posted by: wahoo2x | January 3, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

i'll buy two losses. Yesterday's game the Giants kicker missed one as well. Houston, wasn't one blocked?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 3, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Oooo....I can see the Shannys falling in love with Gabbert....Look at this guys throws...especially the very last one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UUuIvBof8

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to a new offseason.

Same as the old offseasons.

I'm bursting with thoughts/comments/ideas to weigh in with regarding the Skins and what they need.


...just hold on a moment as I dig up those comments from the blog-posts of the past couple years and cut-n-paste them here...again...

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"The problem I have with your argument is that sticking with Gano wasn't about this year, it was about next year and beyond."

Look, I know a lot of people like the kid but in my mind Gano = Leigh Torrence.

I hope Gano is not back next year as the Redskins kicker. Dude missed one third of his field goals this year....I'm sorry but that a lot.

I think he's really bad and if he has to be baby'd so much then he shouldn't be kicking in the NFL.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 3, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Cork, thanks for reminding all that you are in fact a f'ing idiot.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe |

Oh come on, the board's reigning rocket surgeon doesn't have a better comeback than that?

To review thee bidding, you responded to someone who said Hall sucked yesterday. You said: "He plays the way he does because Haslett coaches him that way."

Couple of things. You forgot that Hall generously offered to take over coaching the entire defense because he was in a snit when Rogers got to cover the other team's top receiver. He said he didn't care what the defense was, he was going to cover the top guy.

He later apologized when he realized he aounded "like an f'ing idiot" to use your elegant phrase.

Yesterday, Hall gave up a 92 yard TD pass, longest in the NFL all season. Only the fact that Eli Manning didn't lead a receiver properly kept Hall from surrendering yet another 50+ yard pass/TD to Manningham. (Manningham is a second string receiver, playing because Smith and Hicks were out.)

Late in the game on third and long, when the Redskins needed a stop, Hall used his patented "vicinity"defense to enable the Giants to get a first down. Game over. Lose again. After the game even Hall relized ghe'd stunk up the joint, said he probably didn't deserve to be in the Pro Bowl and would work harder at improving next year. He didn't mention he played that way because Haslett coached him to play that way.

Anyone who knows football--I don't include you there--knows Hall's technique is to surrender receptions, touchdowns, big gains etc in hopes he can jump a route, or catch a deflection, or occasionally rip out a fumble. It works sometimes. Against Chicago, once. But time after time he was beaten.

That's always been his statistics-driven approach, and the greater fool theory has assured he's stayed employed.

Yeah, sure, I'm the "fing idiot." You're the genius who claims Haslett coaches him to be inept.

Posted by: TheCork | January 3, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

OK, after watching about ten minutes of youtube highlights of the Gabbert dude, I am officially in love with him.

Charley Casserly was the 1st one I heard say his name a week ago saying he would blow up fast in Mock Drafts...and it seems to be happening now....

I think I would take him ahead of Cam Newton and Luck......Mallet has Ryan LEaf written all over him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

...just hold on a moment as I dig up those comments from the blog-posts of the past couple years and cut-n-paste them here...again...

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 11:46 AM


No doubt...that's the most depressing part of all this, we gave up 3 picks total for McNabb and Brown...and now we may have to not only address their positions AGAIN, but we still have to fill about a dozen holes elsewhere on the roster.

Thank God for Madden...I might hate football otherwise...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what Malcolm Kelly was doing this season? Was he just showing up at Redskins Park to get treatment, or was he taking the always popular "mental reps" at practice, too?

I really hope the coaches were keeping him mentally engaged with the offense. And I hope he got educated on how to stretch his freaking hamstrings. Next summer is probably big boy's last chance.

On a related note, were there any Devin Thomas sightings yesterday? According to his player page on NFL.com, he logged game time yesterday, but has no stats. Must've been on the field for kickoffs and punts. It's almost like he is who we thought he was.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 10:37 AM |

IR'd players are not allowed to attend practices.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

oh...and beeps

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Charley Casserly was the 1st one I heard say his name a week ago saying he would blow up fast in Mock Drafts...and it seems to be happening now....

4th Floor

Waal, as long as the mock draft experts like him, that's enough for me.

Posted by: TheCork | January 3, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

...just hold on a moment as I dig up those comments from the blog-posts of the past couple years and cut-n-paste them here...again...

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 11:46 AM


No doubt...that's the most depressing part of all this, we gave up 3 picks total for McNabb and Brown...and now we may have to not only address their positions AGAIN, but we still have to fill about a dozen holes elsewhere on the roster.

Thank God for Madden...I might hate football otherwise...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse


OK...I dug up a couple of the thoughts.

1) We need to preserve, protect and leverage our draft picks (comment from 10 years ago)

2) We need to address our Oline (comment from 3 years ago)

3) WTH is our FO doing and what exactly is the plan? (Comment from 3 years ago)

4) We need to build a better defense around our talented players and leverage their ability - Orakpo, Landry, Hall. (Comment from 2 years ago)

5) We need to add playmakers in our passing game/receiving corps. (Comment from 3 years ago).

6) We need a solution at QB. (Comment from 2 years ago).


Still digging...I'm sure I'll be back with more comments and ideas from the past several years that are still highly applicable for discussing this offseason.


Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Guano

Posted by: nativedc | January 3, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

OK, after watching about ten minutes of youtube highlights of the Gabbert dude, I am officially in love with him.

Charley Casserly was the 1st one I heard say his name a week ago saying he would blow up fast in Mock Drafts...and it seems to be happening now....

I think I would take him ahead of Cam Newton and Luck......Mallet has Ryan LEaf written all over him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Who is Gabbert? Haven't seen him play but I'm starting to hear a lot about this guy.

We need a young franchise QB. Anyone who doesn't think we will draft one is living in fantasyland.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

bring in George Blanda...he can also play QB

Posted by: LightSnowOvernight | January 3, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins won't admit it, but they made a mistake not bringing back Ethan Albright and being too quick on the trigger on Shawn Suisham. Albright never blew a snap and Suisham has become Mr. Automatic with the Steelers. Kickers are funny in that they mostly have to fail first with another team before becoming a good kicker elsewhere. Mosley failed with his first team.

Posted by: JAMNEW | January 3, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

brownwood26, I agree. All kickers go through rough patches. If he's going through a rough patch because he stinks, obviously we should get rid of Gano. But I think he is a good kicker, and this is just temporary mental thing. I thought getting rid of Suisham was a bad move, because I thought he, too, was a good kicker going through a temporary rough patch. The Steelers are sure glad they picked him up, that's for certain.

Posted by: nuzuw | January 3, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The kicking game in the NFL is what the coaches have made it. There will be very, very few elite kickers as long as your next one determines whether you keep the job or not. Mark Moseley would have been long gone, long before he became the league's best kicker with the Skins, if he started his Skins career this year the way he did back then.

That said, the unease about Gano is at least understandable. What isn't - and if he loses his job, this should be a reason why - is the Giants' coach publicly dressing down his punter, on the field, for one mistake in a blown 31-10 lead that was more his fault than the punter's.

Posted by: poorskins | January 3, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I say we draft Alex Henery from Nebraska as our PK/P. We can use the extra QB for holding for field goals and it would free up an extra roster spot.

Check out this kid...he's got a foot and it accurate! Something we need!

Posted by: meatthenav | January 3, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I say we draft Alex Henery from Nebraska as our PK/P. We can use the extra QB for holding for field goals and it would free up an extra roster spot.

Check out this kid...he's got a foot and is accurate which is something we need! Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: meatthenav | January 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

gano has a weak kick and can,t kick in any adverse weather conditions, keeping him is a waste of time lets stop being fanboys and be realistc about thes guys

Posted by: rwest828hope | January 3, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The kickers are absolutely critical to the pro game, and too many coaches have turned them into scapegoats. A great punter can turn around a game completely and, even more important, keep a game in the bag. Too many punters in the NFL have averages of under 40 yards. You need a punter that can average 50 yards from deep in his own zone, and he also has to be able to bury the punts deep in the red zone, especially out of bounds, so that there is absolutely no chance of a great return. Out of a nation of about 315 million, not to mention the Aussies playing their own version of football, surely a team can ONE kicker who can do this, day in and day out.

Posted by: tmkelley | January 4, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

IMHO, Shanahan has handled Gano correctly. Good kickers are hide to find and develop. Just look around the league. It is not unusual for a kicker to go through ups and down before becoming consistently productive. Remember Shaun Suisham. We scapegoated him after he missed the kick against the Saints. He is now having a banner year with the Steelers. One never knows when a talented kicker will finally hit his groove.

But I do second the motion to bring in new kickers to challenge Gano at training camp. We need to find someone who is consistent and reliable. We shouldn't biting our finger nails whenever a field goal of less than 35 yards is attempted.

Posted by: tigana99 | January 4, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Tell me the last time that the Redskins didn't have an offensively challenged team. I understand kickers are paid to perform in pressure situations like other team members, but instead of kicking a field goal to add to the score, our kickers are constantly under game-winning or tying situations. That's a tough mental burden for a young kicker especially when playing on a bad team. I'd be interested in knowing how many attempts the average punter tries during a season. It seems like Redskins kickers are over well over the average, and for long yardage. I think it's no accident that winning teams tend to have good kickers, even kickers who didn't perform well on a bad team. They develop a winning mindset and they aren't under every game pressure to kick the winning field goal.

Posted by: jfoster13 | January 4, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

^21^

Gano sucks.

I would have cut the guy 8 games ago. I don't wanna hear all of these "Oh, he's learning the ropes." crap because he's not. He's not a QB, RB, WR, or even a DB.

His job is to kick a ball, that's it and he can't do it. Hopefully next year they will bring someone else in who can make extra points and 30 and under field goals.

Gano lost at least 3 games all by himself this year. If his pysche needs to be coddled that much then he shouldn't be kicking in the NFL.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 3, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Stop telling the TRUTH in here, it's not allowed. LOL

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 5, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It is all mental with these guys. There is no other answer. Hundreds of schools out there... we need a kicker- shhhshsh

Posted by: sofloridaskinsfan | January 5, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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