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Gray Permitted to Interview in Detroit

Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray has been granted permission to interview for the head coaching vacancy of the Detroit Lions, a league source has told Jason Reid.

The Lions, the first NFL team to go 0-16, fired coach Rod Marinelli today and requested permission to interview Gray.

Gray has been the Skins' secondary coach for three seasons. For five seasons before that, he was defensive coordinator in Buffalo. Gray, 46, has nine years of playing experience and 11 years of experience as an assistant coach.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 29, 2008; 5:03 PM ET
 
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"and Moss would not be a number one receiver on any other team in the NFL - ok maybe the Raiders.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

You had me until this comment.

Here's a list of teams that Moss would be a #1 on without any argument:

Philadelphia
New York Giants w/o Burress
Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings
Seattle Seahawks
San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams
Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Miami Dolphins
Baltimore Ravens

Teams that he would viably be fighting for the #1 spot:

New Orleans Saints (with Colston)
Buffalo Bills (with Evans)
NY Jets (with Coles)
Tampa Bay (with Bryant)
San Diego (with Jackson)
Pittsburgh (with Holmes)

The only teams where he clearly would NOT be a #1 are:

New England (Moss)
Arizona (Fitz and Boldin)
Indi (Wayne)
Houston (Johnson)
Carolina (Smith)
Atlanta (White)
Green Bay (Jennings)
Denver (Marshall)


People really need to stop acting like this is a no-talent team. At least half of the teams in the league would LOVE to have a threat like Moss leading their WR core.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

How could he refuse a head coaching job? (OK, so it IS Detroit.) But he's done such an awesome job here. It's worth every penny to keep him here.

Posted by: charley42 | December 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't go, Jerry! However, Marinelli was only fired a few hours ago - the Lions will certainly interview many candidates.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

****
sween,
congrats on the FF win. Lucky you, it comes with bonus points.

It doesn't take the sting out of last we's thrashing, btw.
***

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 29, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

This team does have talent, and Moss is part of that.

But as someone said the other night, it's O-line and D-line that win championships.

Check the Gibbs 1.0 Super Bowls. Different QBs, different RBs, different WRs, but solid O-line and D-line play.

I think New England is another good example. Matt Cassell guided them to 11 wins because their core - the O-line and D-line - are among the best units in the league.

So, hint to Vinny*: Draft O-linemen, and look for FA help on the D-line.

*Not that he'll listen.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

psps, had Reggie Wayne in FF. Would rather have had Moss.

As for Jerry Gray interviewing in Det? Good luck to him. Obviously, the secondary was the strength of this team. I doubt Gray gets the job, but a lot of guys that interview for HC say the first HC interview experience is valuable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Just scanning the Mock Draft wires (which I know is way, way early, but still fun), and here's some names which have been thrown our way.

Peria Jerry DT, 6'3" 310lbs, Mississippi
Eugene Monroe OT, 6'5" 310lbs, Virginia
Clint Sintim OLB, 6'2" 249lbs, Virginia
Michael Johnson DE, 6'7" 259lbs, Georgia Tech.
Jason Smith OT, 6'4" 300lbs, Baylor
Duke Robinson OG, 6'5" 335lbs, Oklahoma
Eben Britton OT, 6'5" 310lbs, Arizona

From the looks of things, it seems like an OL heavy draft. If we had've still had a 2nd Round Pick, we could've used our 1st Rounder on a DL, and still get a quality OL in the second round. Unfortunately without the second, we might have to go with an OL in the first.

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Philadelphia He and jackson would have a tough battle

New York Giants w/o Burress They had Burress this season so this is a reach

Chicago Bears I'll give you this

Minnesota Vikings Berrian is a better big play threat

Seattle Seahawks I'll give you this

San Francisco 49ersI'll give you this

St. Louis Rams Maybe

Kansas City Chiefs Bowe gets the nod here

Oakland Raiders already accept this

Jacksonville Jaguars Maybe he could beat out Matt Jones or healthy Porter

Tennessee Titans I'll give you this

Miami Dolphins I'll give you this

Baltimore Ravens I think most GMs would go with Mason

Teams that he would viably be fighting for the #1 spot:

New Orleans Saints (with Colston) I think not

Buffalo Bills (with Evans) not II

NY Jets (with Coles) Huh, Cotchery has almsot as many catches as Moss

Tampa Bay (with Bryant) that's laughable

San Diego (with Jackson) maybe with Chambers for #2

Pittsburgh (with Holmes) don't you mean with Ward but he would be nate washington in this crew

I am not saying Moss isn't talented but he's no number one. And the fact that others lack a number one doesn't make him one by default. Finally, FF isn't football.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Sween.

Still smarting over my FF loss in the playoffs. Unfortunately, my guys chose weeks the 2 weeks after our FF playoffs (16 and 17) to come up huge (woulda had record 170 points in week 16, with Rivers and D. Williams with 4 TDs, each). This week, 5 guys with big games -- Sproles, Fred Jackson, Larry Fitz + Williams and Rivers again. Haven't added it all up, but likely another 120 point thing.

Still, would hate to have a FF playoff in week 17, with so many guys sitting ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"Just scanning the Mock Draft wires (which I know is way, way early, but still fun), and here's some names which have been thrown our way.

Peria Jerry DT, 6'3" 310lbs, Mississippi
Eugene Monroe OT, 6'5" 310lbs, Virginia
Clint Sintim OLB, 6'2" 249lbs, Virginia
Michael Johnson DE, 6'7" 259lbs, Georgia Tech.
Jason Smith OT, 6'4" 300lbs, Baylor
Duke Robinson OG, 6'5" 335lbs, Oklahoma
Eben Britton OT, 6'5" 310lbs, Arizona

From the looks of things, it seems like an OL heavy draft..."

so we'll probably go with a WR or maybe a DB.

Posted by: ceciljones | December 29, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Matt Cassell guided them to 11 wins because their core - the O-line and D-line - are among the best units in the league."

Interestingly enough, Cassell was sacked the most times of any QB this year - 57.

Posted by: charley42 | December 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Number 89 is a talented player.

So is number 47.

They're a bunch of teams that would part with picks to get either of them.

#47 is of more value than #89

It's a dumb move you say..?

But you're not winning with either of them and you have younger players to groom at the same positions.

Keeping guys just because you love them is what's dumb.

Someone asked, "What did the Dolphins do to make such a quick turnaround?"

After hiring Parcells, a gm, and a coach, they moved a player they loved for picks: Jason Taylor.

The Skins offense needs to replace seven out of it's eleven starters, if possible.

But without a strong GM with some guts, things will stay the same.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly enough, Cassell was sacked the most times of any QB this year - 57.

Posted by: charley42 | December 29, 2008 6:59 PM |
------------------

I have to believe that had more to do with Cassell's inexperience and indecision than the O-line; Brady was only sacked 21 times last year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The picks come this year ... not last year. The skins could ostensibly do the same thing.

I think Blache has done a better job than grilliams so I would keep Taylor on his recommendation. As long as contract terms are reasonable for him to stay.

Yes, Parcells wants to go young. So does every team. The most successful? The Atlanta Falcons but then they have been losing for a long time, going young for awhile. They hit the jackpot at running back and QB this year.

Even with the dearth of choices this year the Skins can indeed rebuild the offensive line next year. Then the problem on offense will be whether skill players like Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, and Malcom Kelly will show enough to start. Both Fred Davis and Chad Rhinehart could be terrific blockers on the line.

If Davis catches passes one could conceivably move Cooley (#47) perhaps turn him into the possession receiver they so desperately need. ONLY IF DAVIS steps up.

If even one of Thomas and Kelly step up you can now have a 3 wide receiver set with Moss and Cooley. With Betts coming out of the backfield.
I would definitely use Portis less next year ... more like a Brandon Jacobs. Betts more in the WCO.

With a new Left Tackle (#1 pick), Left Guard (Rhinehart)? Moving Samuels to right tackle with Thomas at right guard. Davis at tight end. Heyer as the "swing man".

Now you have a revamped offense with few changes.


"After hiring Parcells, a gm, and a coach, they moved a player they loved for picks: Jason Taylor."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

With a 1st and two 3rds the Redskins could pick up 3 OL that could conceivably start next year given the depth of OL in this draft.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

People really need to stop acting like this is a no-talent team. At least half of the teams in the league would LOVE to have a threat like Moss leading their WR core.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 ++++

I'd rather have Steven Smith of the Panthers. Same size, much better receiver.

+++
Someone asked, "What did the Dolphins do to make such a quick turnaround?"

After hiring Parcells, a gm, and a coach, they moved a player they loved for picks: Jason Taylor.

The Skins offense needs to replace seven out of it's eleven starters, if possible.

But without a strong GM with some guts, things will stay the same.

Posted by: MistaMoe ++++

Finally, someone with something this blog needs in large quantity. Common sense!

MistaMoe, you better be careful, others will crucify you if you have an alternate opinion.


Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 29, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Mark Herzlich of Boston College cant find a rating on him but the guy is a playmaker and has a motor.Would love to see that guy in a skins uniform.possibly available in the third? anyone know.

Posted by: mark65 | December 29, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Herzlich is a tweener...3-4 outside linebacker.

Not a fit for the skins.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's a stat for the Portis lovers:

Michael Turner Atl, age 26 against St Louis.

25 carries for 208 yards for an 8.3 yards/carry average. 70 yards longest for a TD.

Clinton Portis Wash, age 27 against San Francisco.

29 carries for 80 yards, 2.8 yards per carry average. Longest run was 7 yards.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

There would be no discussion of trading Cooley if our moron "GM" had not drafted Fred Davis. Moss is a very talented WR and would be a number 1 on half the teams in the league. He was 14th in yards despite being constantly doubled. If he was part of a stable winning franchise no doubt he would be considered an elite WR. Its a shame that by the time we fix the lines if we ever do and JC has some time in the offense Moss and Portis will be on their way out.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 29, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a very good WR. Fully healthy, he can be devastating, among the best in the game. He relies an amazing quickness. Problem is, a little hammy tweak and that quickness drops a couple levels. And then he becomes a lot more ordinary.

Is he a #1 WR? Yes. Easily.

There is no player who's play is more critical to this team than Santana Moss.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's a stat for the Portis lovers:

Michael Turner Atl, age 26 against St Louis.

25 carries for 208 yards for an 8.3 yards/carry average. 70 yards longest for a TD.

Clinton Portis Wash, age 27 against San Francisco.

29 carries for 80 yards, 2.8 yards per carry average. Longest run was 7 yards.


Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:26 PM |

I am no Portis lover but when you make comments like this I must respond.

Clinton has 2052 carries in his career.

Michael Turner has 604.

Who do you think would be fresher at the end of the season.

St Louis's defense sucks the 49ers defense is good.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

With a 1st and two 3rds the Redskins could pick up 3 OL that could conceivably start next year given the depth of OL in this draft.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:18 PM


We only have 1 3rd round pick.

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

26 - Drafted QB Matt Ryan (R1-3 overall),
starting QB for playoff bound Atlanta.

OT Sam Baker (R1-21 overall)
starting Left Tackle for playoff bound Atlanta.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

kost, periculum is counting on the league awarding us an extra third rounder because they hope we'll once again draft an excellent college running back and convert him into an excellent WR. The league would LOVE to see that storyline unfold again, hence the extra pick.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

With a 1st and two 3rds the Redskins could pick up 3 OL that could conceivably start next year given the depth of OL in this draft.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:18 PM


We only have 1 3rd round pick.

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 7:32 PM |

kost,

I have been trying to tell that guy that for weeks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Atlanta's staring MLB is also a rookie.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Atlanta's staring MLB is also a rookie.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:37 PM |

Please make your point we don't care who plays for Atlanta.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

We should be awarded extra picks in every round for having a mentally deficient front office. Or put periculum in charge and he can keep repeating the Washington Redskins are now on the clock until we fill all our needs.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

peri,

Was'nt you that was on here saying Art Monk was a converted running back?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

look, we all know we need line help. We all know Vinny ain't Bobby Bethard. Probably not even Ricky Bobby. But do you really, honestly think that he will miss what so glaringly obvious to us Average Joes? Last year he tried to get JC some more weapons. It will take at least another year to judge that draft. By most accounts, this is a line-heavy draft class. I am confident that we will come away with at least 1 immediate and possibly two or more eventual starting linemen. Hopefully an OT and a DE and/or DT.

Buy Mel Kiper's Insider Draft Kit. When we're on the clock, pick his top available OT, DE and DT's in the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 6th rounds. I mean, really - there could be 1,000 worse ways to draft. Several scouting "experts" have said there are at least 5 franchise O-tackles in this draft.

He can't really F this up....can he?? OK don't answer that.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Notorious,

He could by the Truth's draft guide for a ham sandwich and make better choices.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree they can't miss if they draft OL.

The point is Atlanta gleaned 3 starters from last year's draft. THREE.

Their starting left tackle (took him into the season to win the job) was drafted 21st. In a draft that is DEEP with good OT left tackle types you would think the safe bet is to draft one at 14. And then in the 3rd. Draft two or more if you can trade for more somehow.

Converting Cooley to a possession receiver like Monk? Why not, we've had worst at that position. How about a converted QB named Antwaan Randle El?

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"But do you really, honestly think that he will miss what so glaringly obvious to us Average Joes?"

We only have 4 draft picks this year. And he's gone on record as saying he doesn't believe in drafting linemen high. Would it really surprise you to see him do something like this:

-Round 1: LB (BPA, need to find replacement for Washington)

-Round 3: CB (BPA, need to find replacement for Springs/Rogers)

-Round 5: DE (miss, far from a sure thing)

-Round 6: OG (miss, far from a sure thing)

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse


He was Syracuse's starting half back.

"peri,

Was'nt you that was on here saying Art Monk was a converted running back?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I like ham

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley is a possesion receiver, just look at his ypc average. You don't work him in the slot, he's a TE, not a flanker or split end.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah except it would be CB in the first. LB in the 3rd. Its probably why he says he needs more picks. He knows the draft is OL rich. You need to draft as many as you can while you can.


"We only have 4 draft picks this year. And he's gone on record as saying he doesn't believe in drafting linemen high. Would it really surprise you to see him do something like this:

-Round 1: LB (BPA, need to find replacement for Washington)

-Round 3: CB (BPA, need to find replacement for Springs/Rogers)

-Round 5: DE (miss, far from a sure thing)

-Round 6: OG (miss, far from a sure thing)"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Their starting left tackle (took him into the season to win the job) was drafted 21st. In a draft that is DEEP with good OT left tackle types you would think the safe bet is to draft one at 14. And then in the 3rd. Draft two or more if you can trade for more somehow.

Converting Cooley to a possession receiver like Monk? Why not, we've had worst at that position. How about a converted QB named Antwaan Randle El?


Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:52 PM |

periculum,

when you continue to say we have two third round picks it is hard to take anything else you say seriously.

Cooley makes Art Monk look like a sprint star, Cooley is slow he can not play receiver. Cooley already plays TE and is doing a fine job why would you put him at receiver.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Thought it was SPAM?

"I like ham

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

It's my understanding that Vinny and Kiper are good friends....so maybe one friend will help the other out...

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"After hiring Parcells, a gm, and a coach, they moved a player they loved for picks: Jason Taylor."

Jason Taylor was going to be 33 years old, had his sights on retirement, and the GM had the foresight to see he was declining.

Neither Moss nor Cooley come anywhere near that description. For both of them, it would be a case of the Oakland Raiders trading Randy Moss for 10 cents on the dollar -- with the exception being that Randy Moss was a morale-killer while SMoss and Cooley are not, thus making the Santana and Cooley trades even worse.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

psp, I really hope he never said that he doesn't believe in drafting linemen high. I can't say it would be stunning given his track record, but we are in a situation where we need to draft for need, not the best available player irrespective of position, which certainly has its time and place....

I'm lookin at Eben Britton or Jason Smith in the first round, best available DE in the 3rd, and then best available DT/OG/LB in rounds 5 and 6. Or we could trade all our picks to move up and get Crabtree. Wouldn't shock me.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Cooley makes Art Monk look like a sprint star,

He isn't that slow.

Cooley is slow he can not play receiver. Cooley already plays TE and is doing a fine job why would you put him at receiver."

So, what do you with Davis who is likely going to be a better blocker?


Cooley probably runs at least as fast (if not faster) than Thrash.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse


Fine, they have one. Happy now?

"when you continue to say we have two third round picks it is hard to take anything else you say seriously."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Vinnie wouldn't draft OL first and frequently would be because they wouldn't make the kind of "splash" that Snidely Owl likes.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

He was Syracuse's starting half back.

"peri,

Was'nt you that was on here saying Art Monk was a converted running back?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 7:53 PM |

Art Monk played very little running back at Syracuse he was mostly used as a WR's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

According to ESPN, the Lions have requested interviews with Leslie Frazier, Spags, Jason Garrett(really???), Kevin Gilbride, and Josh McDaniel...they want to talk to everyone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

So, what do you with Davis who is likely going to be a better blocker?


Cooley probably runs at least as fast (if not faster) than Thrash.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:00 PM |

There is plenty you can use Cooley in motion or split and keep Davis on the line, lots of teams use two TE's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

the time he graduated from Syracuse in 1980, Monk had set school records with 102 receptions for 1,644 yards gained, =>1,140 rushing yards gained (as a running back for several years)

"Art Monk played very little running back at Syracuse he was mostly used as a WR's."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, split him out ... now he's a wide out. Escapes the linebacker that hits him at the line.

"There is plenty you can use Cooley in motion or split and keep Davis on the line, lots of teams use two TE's"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We have the 13th pick, not 14th

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

At Syracuse Monk also had:

"and 1,105 yards in return yardage."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, they did lose on Sunday ... before that it was the 14th.

"We have the 13th pick, not 14th"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"psp, I really hope he never said that he doesn't believe in drafting linemen high. I can't say it would be stunning given his track record, but we are in a situation where we need to draft for need, not the best available player irrespective of position, which certainly has its time and place...."

Oh yes, he's said it before. And he's also said he doesn't believe in drafting for need. Both of which are absolutely necessary this year.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

the time he graduated from Syracuse in 1980, Monk had set school records with 102 receptions for 1,644 yards gained, =>1,140 rushing yards gained (as a running back for several years)

"Art Monk played very little running back at Syracuse he was mostly used as a WR's."


Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 8:09 PM |

He was already a WR's before he came to the Skins and was drafted as such, he was not drafted as a RB. So the Skins did not convert him Syracuse did. In his final season at Syracuse he had 7 carries.

This is totally different then converting a current NFL back, Or converting a guy that has only played RB in college.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Arthur Monk (Syracuse University, 1976-79)

Receiver
White Plains, N.Y.
1979 All-American

Art Monk began his Syracuse career as a running back and emerged as an All-American receiver. He ranks sixth on Syracuse’s career receptions list, seventh on the career receiving yards list and holds the Orange record for most receptions in a game (14 vs. Navy, 1977). Monk was named to Syracuse University's All-Century team in November, 1999. He is a member of the Syracuse University Board of Trustees.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

psp,

he did say the part about not drafting for need, but the part about linemen the only thing I heard about that was he said there were no linemen worth taking when they picked in the last draft.

Not saying he did'nt say it but I would like to see it in writing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,
Snyder fule the plane give that guy what ever he wants.

REPORT: PIOLI “VERY INTERESTED” IN BROWNS G.M. GIG
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 8:11 p.m. EST
Citing multiple unnamed league sources (who does she think she works for, PFT?), Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Patriots V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli is “very interested” in the Browns’ vacant G.M. position.

Per Cabot, Pioli could be interviewed as soon as Tuesday. It will be his first interview for another position since joining the Patriots in 2000.

Cabot also reports that Pioli has been contacted by the Chiefs or the Lions as well. (In our view, it’s highly unlikely that it’s the Lions, given Monday’s promotions of G.M. Martin Mayhew and president Tom Lewand.)

If Pioli gets the job, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels could be at the top of the list for head-coaching candidates.

Another potential candidate who has long been linked to Pioli is Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk was a sprint star, NY State champ if I recall. According to Theismann, the only teammate faster was #28.

As for moving Cooley elsewhere ... NO. TE is a solved problem. Moving him, you create the risk that you don't fix one problem and create a problem where you didn't have one.

There is no upside in moving Cooley. But for those who still can't see it, they did flank him out wide last year (I think) vs Philly. JC threw a slant to him. The DB was quicker to the ball and the result was an INT.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 29, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, he's said it before. And he's also said he doesn't believe in drafting for need. Both of which are absolutely necessary this year.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

greta googly moogly...let's hope what Flounder said is right, that is was about last yr's draft

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Feinstein pretty much sees this team the way I do. As long as Snidely Owl is owner and GM with his faithful servant the Vinnster they have very little chance to get better.

Best to start with hiring Holmgren to do what Parcells is doing in Miami. Keep Vinnie as his personal assistant as he did under Marty. And work the marketing / sales end of things which he certainly has proven to be better at.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

He was a running back. He rushed for 1,140 yards. 102 receptions divided by 4 is 25 a year.

"Art Monk began his Syracuse career as a running back and emerged as an All-American receiver."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Did you know....

The Redskins had the shortest "Longest Rushing Play" of all NFL Teams this season (31 yards-Portis), yet finished 4th in the league with 17 runs over 20 yards.

We ranked 28th in the league with 34 pass plays over 20 yards, and 29th with 3 pass plays over 40 yards.

We were the least accurate FG team, at 72% (26-36), and no team missed more 40+ FG's than us (8), while Detroit's Jason Hanson was 14-14 from beyond 40, including 8-8 from beyond 50.

We had the worst Net Punting Average in the league (33.4).

We were 4th in the league with a 25.1 Kick Return Average.

Defensively we are in about the top 10 teams for most of the major catergories, with the exception of Sacks (28th-24), INT's (17th-13), fumbles recovered (31st-5) and 40yd pass plays (12th-8).

We were one of only two teams who didn't have a defensive score, while Green Bay scored 49 points and Baltimore 48.


The best area of our game would have to be our run defense, we gave up 3.8 per carry (8th), 5 20+yd runs (2nd),and 1 40+yd run (2nd).

So basically looking at the stats, the passing game is poor, but everywhere else we're solid, but lacking big play ability.

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Did you know....

The Redskins had the shortest "Longest Rushing Play" of all NFL Teams this season (31 yards-Portis), yet finished 4th in the league with 17 runs over 20 yards.

We ranked 28th in the league with 34 pass plays over 20 yards, and 29th with 3 pass plays over 40 yards.

We were the least accurate FG team, at 72% (26-36), and no team missed more 40+ FG's than us (8), while Detroit's Jason Hanson was 14-14 from beyond 40, including 8-8 from beyond 50.

We had the worst Net Punting Average in the league (33.4).

We were 4th in the league with a 25.1 Kick Return Average.

Defensively we are in about the top 10 teams for most of the major catergories, with the exception of Sacks (28th-24), INT's (17th-13), fumbles recovered (31st-5) and 40yd pass plays (12th-8).

We were one of only two teams who didn't have a defensive score, while Green Bay scored 49 points and Baltimore 48.


The best area of our game would have to be our run defense, we gave up 3.8 per carry (8th), 5 20+yd runs (2nd),and 1 40+yd run (2nd).

So basically looking at the stats, the passing game is poor, but everywhere else we're solid, but lacking big play ability.

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

good stuff kost. firmly believe that special teams cost us at least 1-2 games this yr...if we can draft for O/D line help, shore up the specials and the young WR's develop...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Seems like that would be the difference maker between making the playoffs and not. Worth at least 2 victories?

One thing you wonder about ... one of those picks probably should be used on a kicker if there are any that are any good.

"We were the least accurate FG team, at 72% (26-36), and no team missed more 40+ FG's than us (8), while Detroit's Jason Hanson was 14-14 from beyond 40, including 8-8 from beyond 50.

We had the worst Net Punting Average in the league (33.4)."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Monk was drafted as a WR out of college, period!! If you want to use a player who was a college back but converted by the Skins into a successful WR you might want to try Bobby Mitchell.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sellers deserves Probowl honor as FB....any one think he could be a Brandon Jacobs type of feature back?

Also...Sellers, you gave it 100% this season unlike many of your mates!

Posted by: redlotparty | December 29, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Out of curiosity, why is everyone throwing Rogers out there as trade/free agent bait? I can't believe Springs will be a Redskin next year.

Posted by: tdpillo123 | December 29, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I vote NO on drafting a kicker after that debacle we had with the kid punter this past season. If we had ten picks again, maybe, but otherwise NO.

tdpillo123, I haven't been following the blog that closely for the past few weeks, but I have no idea how anyone (in the front office, on the coaching staff, or among the fans) could seriously consider moving Carlos. Dude comes back from a grievous injury to be a stalwart -- not a pro bowler, but a consistently solid 2/3 corner, and a better player than he was before he got hurt! -- and people are talking about getting rid of him? Makes no sense to me.

If we could somehow, somehow return Rogers, Hall and Smoot at CB I'd feel awfully good about our situation at that position... better than almost any unit on the team.

And I want Springs to return at CB/S, but only for less money or with some kind of injury clause, some concession to his frailty...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely love the idea that Piolo might be convinced to come work in Ashburn, but honestly it seems like folly at this point... to believe that is anything more than an extremely remote possibility, you'd first have to believe that Dan Snyder is not fully confident in Vinny Cerrato to pick players... and there is NO reason to believe such a thing.

All Snyder has done as owner is give Vinny more and more control over the team -- the Schottenheimer year aside -- and for all intents and purposes their partnership IS the team's current "brain trust." (God help us.)

To sum up, I don't believe Pioli or anybody else is coming to take over for Vinny. And that's a shame.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

You say Pioli, I say Piolo... let's call the whole thing off...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

psps23 (and Flounder) I heard Vinny say that there were "several" linemen he would have drafted with our first pick last season but they were already taken before we picked - and that he was not going to move up to get one of them.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I probably missed it... have they announced yet that Danny Smith isn't going to be back coaching our special teams next year? I have him pegged as the one fall guy on the staff.

For what it's worth, I also don't expect Buges to be back...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Who believes a word out of Vinny's mouth? He could tell me that my mommy loved me, that my daughter was a girl and that Ovethkin was the best player in the NHL and I'd call the dude a lying dawg.

Welcome back nate, as per usual...spot on.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Just having a look at some stats from ESPN's Football Outsiders, recapping the season. They base their stats on something called DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement), which is basically yards compared to the league average adjusted according to opponent and situation. Here's how some of our boys rated-

QB-
1)D.Brees (NO)
2)P.Manning (IND)
3)K.Warner (ARI)
4)P.Rivers (SD)
5)J.Cutler (DEN)
16)Jason Campbell

RB-
1)D.Williams (CAR)
2)B.Jacobs (NYG)
3)Clinton Portis
4)D.Ward (NYG)
5)T.Jones (NYJ)

WR-
1)A.Johnson (HOU)
2)R.White (ATL)
3)L.Fitzgerald (ARI)
4)S.Smith (CAR)
5)V.Jackson (SD)
38) Antwaan Randle-El
44) Santana Moss

TE-
1)T.Gonzalez (KC)
2)V.Shiancoe (MIN)
3)J.Witten (DAL)
4)O.Daniels (HOU)
5)D.Clark (IND)
14) Chris Cooley

Very surprising to see Santana rated lower than ARE!

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Buges has stated he wants to return....and it's hard for me to believe that Snyder will fire him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Good column in today's DC Examiner.....this writer usually ticks me off but not today....

http://www.dcexaminer.com/sports/122908-Rick_Snider__Campbell_gutsy_in_Skins_loss.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

cindy, why wasn't feinstein's column not featured? i just read it cuz someone up here posted it.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have less than 10 guys who are part of the long term solution. Carlos Rogers, to his credit, is one of those guys. The Skins only solid unit for the longer term is the secondary. This assumes the current guys return, other than Springs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 29, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the Cal-Miami game on the weekend? That Jahvid Best is a freak!

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

my feelings are summed up with junior's article plus cL's comment on it plus lh's comment on it. you put all three together and that's how i feel.

fire cerrato.
fire zorn.
trade "the holy trinity"

in other words FIRE SALE!!!!!!!!

btw i said the same thing last year...ugh!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about DPAR, but I give them credit for what they are trying to do. There is a lot of stuff that shows up in common stats which fails to account for effective. An 8 yard catch on 3rd and 10 is worthless. An 8 yard catch on 3rd and 7 is great.

I'm also surprised at Santana's rating. I suspect Cooley's fumbles and lack of TDs hurt him quite a bit. I concur, Cooley had a pretty quiet season, despite the strong stats.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

We had the worst Net Punting Average in the league (33.4)

And we even had an Aussie punter

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

psps23 (and Flounder) I heard Vinny say that there were "several" linemen he would have drafted with our first pick last season but they were already taken before we picked - and that he was not going to move up to get one of them.

Posted by: Lisa_R


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I didn't say he was immune to it, just that he didn't believe in it.

What that generally means is that he values offensive linemen much lower than other teams, especially in the early rounds. This explains why (1) he would not trade up to get a lineman he wanted, and (2) he decided to trade out of a spot in the 1st round, which subsequently was used to select an offensive lineman -- and a pretty good one at that (Sam Baker from Atlanta).

Early in the draft, he values skill players and athletes. That's what he believes in.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

hoyas beat uconn. c'mon terps lets go lets go!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, regarding Buges, it's just a feeling I have... he's getting on in years, he had such a tough year personally, the O line -- his boys -- had so much trouble this season, he's the last "real" Gibbs guy left on the staff... I could just see him spending some time with his family now that the season is over and deciding it's not worth it to come back and go through this wringer again. I should have been clear that I want him to come back and that it's just a hunch that he won't... whenever that day comes, I sure will miss him prowling the sidelines and profanely exhorting our guys to beat people up...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 30, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

First to say it up here:

Happy Birthday Nate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

He was a running back. He rushed for 1,140 yards. 102 receptions divided by 4 is 25 a year.

"Art Monk began his Syracuse career as a running back and emerged as an All-American receiver."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 9:03 PM |

OK Peri,

These are Monks stats while he was at Syracuse, as you can see, because you don't seem to be able to read he played WR his senior year and was an All American at it. The Skins drafted him as a WR.

Arthur Monk's Career Statistics

Rushing Carries Yards Avg. TDs
1976 0
0
0.0
0

1977 110
566
5.1
2

1978 136
573
4.2
2

1979 7
11
1.5
0

Totals 256
1,150
4.5
4



Receiving Recpt. Yards Avg. TDs
1976 2
45
22.5
0

1977 41
590
14.4
4

1978 19
293
15.4
2

1979 40
716
17.9
3

Totals 102
1,644
16.1
9



KO Ret. No. Yds. Avg. TDs
1976 0
0
0.0
0

1977 4
59
14.8
0

1978 16
328
20.5
0

1979 11
288
26.1
0

Totals 31
675
21.8
0



Punt Ret. No. Yds. Avg. TDs
1976 0
0
0.0
0

1977 10
106
10.6
0

1978 11
116
10.5
0

1979 23
208
9.0
0

Totals 44
430
9.8
0

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Quick question. Is Detroit a first time HC dream or nightmare? I mean 1-15 means you did better than last year right?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Quick question. Is Detroit a first time HC dream or nightmare? I mean 1-15 means you did better than last year right?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 7:10 AM |

Until Detroit gets a real football person to run that organization, it will be the same for any coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | December 30, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Couple things:

1. Listening to the local talk radio sports guys telling a story about how early in the year, Matt Cassell would see a guy covered, pump his arm, tuck the ball and run. At half-time of the Denver game, the QB coach went up to him, and told him, "this is the NFL, you HAVE TO get that ball into tight spaces", and he had a great second half of the year.
I wonder if that is what JC needs to hear....

2. 2 years ago LBetts had his best year, and many argued that he should have been traded, as his trade value was never higher. Aren't we seeing the same thing with Carlos Rogers?? His first few years in the NFL he not even close to what he's become, and after this year, his trade value wouldn't be higher. Wouldn't it be in the teams best interest to trade him now, and strike while the iron is hot??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

A resounding yes to number 1

I read a good story on Payton Manning his first year in the league. After the season was over he was watching film with his father, he kept telling his dad that no one was open. His dad would rewind the tape and show him when the receiver was NFL open as he called it. He told him this is the NFL receivers are only open for a split second unless there is a complete break in coverage.

Number 2 I'm still pondering he is a good corner who has problems making interceptions. He does not give up many big plays, and he tackles very well in run support. If the team is going to rebuild from the ground up like they should then I say trade him, if they just want to throw some band aids on the problem like they will then keep him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Also, the radio had a couple of ex-nfl guys on who said that the "un-capped" year will NEVER, EVER happen. Too many small market teams, Buffalo, Cincinatti, for example, would get just demolished by not being able to compete.

I'm not sure how I feel about trading Rogers, especially when factoring in the uncertainty with Springs.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

beep beep....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I completely agree with both statements...I've been echoing the Rogers trade bait for a few weeks now. He has more trade value now then he'll ever have and much more than say Springs or Smoot. We could use a 2nd round pick and we still would have DHall so it's not like we'd be throwing Tryon and Smoot out there. We won't be able to sign both Hall and Rogers to the long-term deals they're looking for.

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

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