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Green Well-Versed in Blache D

Jason La Canfora reports:

Michael Green says he expects to be active Sunday with the Redskins short on safeties, at least on special teams.

Green said his knowledge of Greg Blache's defense will work in his favor and help his transition (he played for Blache in Chicago). Green said learned he isn't the only Mike Green playing pro sports in D.C. -- there's the star defenseman for the Caps.

"Somebody googled me once and said, 'Hey, do you play hockey?'" said this Mike Green, who has only been to one NHLgame..

By Cindy Boren  |  October 15, 2008; 1:10 PM ET
 
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I've been reading the back and forth comments as far as the 2nd rounders are concerned. I thought it was a bad idea at the time and nothing has changed now. You DONT draft a pass catching TE so high when you have several other needs. And instead of resigning Caldwell and drafting ONE receiver in the 2nd round, you go with two rookies and totally ignore the fact that you have major depth issues at DE? Then to cover up for those mistakes you give up a future 2nd rounder for a player who up to this point hasn't had much impact? I don't think that's bashing Cerrato, it's just goo old fashion undisputable evidence. And kudos for drafting Horton, but other than that, this draft has had no impact on the 2008 Redskins.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Didn't "Blache D" start with "Grilliams D"? Or was it that "Grilliams D" borrowed shamelessly from and adapted "Blache D", which later became "Blache D" again? By which I mean, for Green's purposes, aren't we on Blache D v.2?

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

+++Plackemeier Brings Aussie Approach

Jason La Canfora reports:

…He drops the ball with the nose down and strikes it just above the nose…+++

Well there’s that, and the fact he’s learned to punt with a Foster’s in his free hand….

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

+++If Moore has been 'struggling some', what the heck has Doughty been doing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

Playing with a bad back. Try it sometime.

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

+++I've stated often on this blog. Frosty had punting problems, but he was a football player, not just a punter. And low average aside, he still had some strategic use.Posted by: DikShuttle
---
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read…
Posted by: Flounder21+++

So. Who proofs your posts?

(Aw come on, who could resist THAT straight line?)

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

+++... If Mason was that good he wouldn't be on Ravens PS.

JM220+++

He picked the wrong club. Third string Raven RB is Ray Rice, their second round pick and impressive in training camp. Hey, I went to 1-5 Rutgers. So I gotta clutch at straws.

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

this draft has had no impact on the 2008 Redskins.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 15, 2008 1:12 PM |

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I would argue it's good: we drafted for future needs. Except for Horton, none of the guys we picked is better than our starters. And, our starters are alright --they've gotten off to a 4-2 record, beating some pretty tough teams in the process.

All the guys we drafted, but one, are still with the team and they'll pay off in time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I think that Mason should go to Detroit if he want to get a start.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read…
Posted by: Flounder21+++

So. Who proofs your posts?

(Aw come on, who could resist THAT straight line?)

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:20 PM

Thats pretty good Cork, but your still an idiot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

you people complain more than that Department of Motor Vehicles guy

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"Thats pretty good Cork, but your still an idiot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 15, 2008 1:28 PM"


you're

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

TE

All the 2nd rounders were expected to make contributions THIS season. That's why McCardell and Caldwell were not brought back. Not saying they were expected to rack up 100yds a game, but they were supposed to atleast contribute somewhat in three and four wr formations. We're thin at WR despite taking two in the 2nd round. What does that tell you?

And maybe Evans should start from now on with Taylor coming in on passing downs. I believe the Skins will beat Cleveland this week, because they won't make the same mistake twice.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike Green on the Caps is the bomb! I hope skins mike green can be 1/4 as good!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

oooh - yeah, forgot about Horton (how could I DO that??!)

So Horton & Brennan. I'm good. We'll get some receivers elsewhere...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

RE: Dumbest Things ever posted, read, or typed.

Not here, you won't find that. For "Dumbest Thing Ever Read" you must check out any of the political message boards. Regardless of who you are supporting this year, you'll find dumbness running rampant over there. Nothing posted here could compare.

As to the three picks in the second round - this may go to the stupidity of the picks - but, none of you really expect a second round pick to move ahead of two established receivers, (Moss and ARE) do you? This may be part of the problem. Other than playing as a third wide out, neither of these guys are really getting to practice or learn at their eventual position right now.

As to Davis; let's say they get greedy - but I have a feeling he will find a way to contribute strongly next year.

As to expecting second round draft picks to contribute right away - huh? Where do you get that as a given? It's a possiblity, sure, but even first round picks don't necessarily contribute in year one. Even number one picks (see, Williams, Mario) - it depends on the player, the team, and the team's needs.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

HA!

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

+++this draft has had no impact on the 2008 Redskins.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 15, 2008 1:12 PM |

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I would argue it's good: we drafted for future needs. Except for Horton, none of the guys we picked is better than our starters. And, our starters are alright --they've gotten off to a 4-2 record, beating some pretty tough teams in the process.

All the guys we drafted, but one, are still with the team and they'll pay off in time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++

In point of fact the disappointing performance by the draft class means a special teams guy, James Thrash, has been pressed into service in three-Wide formations.

This team is in the playoff hunt. It drafted THREE receievers in the second round, none of whom has helped the team.

Pollyannas forgive Kelly because he's hurt, while conveniently forgetting that both he and Thomas showed up to NFL camp "out of shape." That's not MY opinion, that's the head coach's opinion.

And Zorn is of the opinion that their conditioning contributed to their injuries.

So while we bemoan Kelly's knee issues--remember how they came about.

I think Thomas, in time will be very good. I've posted this countless times. But this team, RIGHT NOW, would be significantly better, in all likelihood, if it had drafted DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal instead of either of these guys.


Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think that's bashing Cerrato, it's just goo old fashion undisputable evidence."

Welcome to the insanity we call the Redskins. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

ga8085, this season is 6 games old. There are still 10 games left. The 2nd round picks still have ample opportunities to make an impact this season.

Why are some of you SO eager to be disappointed by the 2nd rounders? The Redskins are 4-2 and their offense has been productive. We simply don't need the second rounders constantly in the game and getting chances to be productive at this point.

Why not work them in slowly?

(PS - Jason Campbell had zero productivity his rookie season...such a disappointment he is now, right?)

Posted by: -swb | October 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Now first off.. where did anyone in theiir right mind come to the conclusion that 2nd round "receivers" were suppose to come in and be productive in their first season?

Seriously?? It's WIDELY known and statiscally backed that wide receivers are the slowest group to catch on and make an impact for thier team then any other position on the field. Even first rounders who managed to start have terrible production.

So why would you think a second rounder is going to break the starting lineup so fast?? I mean I didn't fall asleep and miss half the NFL season, did I? Especially considering both of them had injury issues that have prevented them from practicing through most of the preseason.

Now Thomas though is already showing upside. He's making some good catches and seems to be where he needs to be and is obviously not the least bit afrais to hit. What he is missing is all that pre-season coaching to help him learn how to transition from College to the NFL. By next year, I have no doubt he will surpass Thrash. But for now he is still making a few too many bonehead plays.

These guys were not drafted for "this" year. They were drafted for the future. When a teams moves from selecting "needs" in the draft to selecting the best option available, they are saying they have confidence in what they already have and are looking towards the future.

Posted by: fbchick | October 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

+++Thats pretty good Cork, but your still an idiot.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

Getting complimented--$ ZERO

Getting insulted-- $ ZERO

Getting called an "Idiot" with bad English -- PRICELESS

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Cork - is this "idiotness" a new condition for you?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I didn't start all this for a bash Vinny day, I really didn't, I've made my feelings on him well known, and this will be the last thing I say on the topic, out of 10 draft picks and four 1st day picks we have lucked into 1 starter (sorry a 6th round safety is a great find but not exactly a high percentage pick), drafted a punter who was dead last in the league in all punting measureables & played a very significant role in a loss for which he was cut, had a 7th round safety miss an assignment on a deciding play of the game, and have had a positive 12 yards from our three second round picks. That is not a good draft so far. Is there a chance down the road it turns around, sure, but to right now blindly say wait and to accuse me of bashing Vinny for pointing out his picks overall have been extremely underwhelming is silly.


Now done with that, I'm so excited the Giants lost, that keeps us right in the thick of things and if we handle our business we should have a firm grasp on the wild card if not the division by week 9 thanks to the shenanigans going on in pinky Dallas. I think we maul the Browns, I see 24 - 10! Hail

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins EXPECTED both Thomas and Kelly to be making contributions by this point of the season....and the fact is that both showed up out of shape and couldn't handle the mental aspects either. Jackson and Royal were both drafted in the 2nd round and have made MAJOR contributions on contending teams. To say we didn't expect any contributions from our 2nd rounders is short-sighted. Even New England's 1st round pick Mayo is a starter at LB on a deep team.

Vinny failed to address the team's weak areas in the draft: D-Line (particularly a pass rushing end), O-Line depth (age and injury issues of starters), and Safety. Now we're patching by signing a safety in Mike Green who hasn't played regularly since 2004 and was out of football. The 2nd rounder traded for Jason Taylor was a desperation move after our 35-year old starter got hurt on the first day of camp. Fred Davis will play very little as long as Cooley is on the roster and Yoder is the blocking TE (completely wasted pick).

Vinny's picks except for Horton ( have either made no contributions or been cut like the punter Brooks. Look at the other teams in our division who are receiving contributions from their draft picks.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

ga8085, this season is 6 games old. There are still 10 games left. The 2nd round picks still have ample opportunities to make an impact this season.

Why are some of you SO eager to be disappointed by the 2nd rounders? The Redskins are 4-2 and their offense has been productive. We simply don't need the second rounders constantly in the game and getting chances to be productive at this point.

Why not work them in slowly?

(PS - Jason Campbell had zero productivity his rookie season...such a disappointment he is now, right?)

Jason Campbell never was given the opportunity to get on the field his rookie yr. And if these WR were drafted to be groomed in the future, why the heck would you discard two veteran WR? WR drafted in the first three rounds usually are expected to make an impact of some sort their rookie yr, they don't get to sit and learn like a rookie QB. I'm no doubt happy that the Skins are off to a good start, but it doesn't mean I'm satisfied with some of the maneuvers made. My main point is, that a DE should of been taken earlier, instead of falling in love with unproven WR and getting rid of proven Veterans

Posted by: ga8085 | October 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Get off our site, dude.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

+++It's WIDELY known and statiscally backed that wide receivers are the slowest group to catch on and make an impact +++--FBChick

SHHHHHHH!!!. don't tell the Iggles or the Denvers--TheCORK

+++So why would you think a second rounder is going to break the starting lineup so fast??+++

Um, Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson?

+++I mean I didn't fall asleep and miss half the NFL season, did I?+++

I'd consider the possibility.

+++These guys were not drafted for "this" year.+++

Really? Says who?

+++ They were drafted for the future. When a teams moves from selecting "needs" in the draft to selecting the best option available, they are saying they have confidence in what they already have and are looking towards the future.+++

If they weren't selected as big receivers for the WCO, but rather as replacements for, say, Moss and randle El, the prospect of drafting Jackson and Royal makes more sense.

Good thoughtful post. I just happen to disagree.

Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It's WIDELY known and statiscally backed that wide receivers are the slowest group to catch on and make an impact for thier team then any other position on the field. Even first rounders who managed to start have terrible production.

Posted by: fbchick

It's actually widely known and statistically backed that WRs in general have a very high rate of failure, whether in season 1 or 4-5 years down the road.

I haven't done the full research yet (I may do it later when I have some time), but I'd be willing to bet that of the receivers that do become successful, at least 50% are somewhat successful early in their career (1st season, 30-40 catches 400-500+ yards). I do not get the impression that most receivers take 3+ years to develop. I get the impression that most receivers do nothing in their 1st 3 years, then a select few from that group do end up producing after that.

I'll say it again, it obviously isn't the end of the road right now, but it is not a good sign that they haven't taken strides forward yet.

Posted by: psps23 | October 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but unlike many NFL teams, didn't every one of our starters from 2007 return this year, with some age problems, true, but there aren't a lot of spots for our new guys to fit in yet...I agree with the point made - it's only game 6: carm down!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

If,knock on wood, Chris Cooley gets hurt this week would you still be mad we picked Fred Davis? If Portis goes down would you be more comfortable with Mason as the starter... or Alexander? Moss or ARE bad hamstring, turf toe, stomach virus, dont you see Thomas taking on more of a role? You def see the glass half full if you think all 22 starters will remain healthy for the season...Im glad we have good backups...

Posted by: GintheAtl | October 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Alright what about steve smith of the giants he sucked all season long but came on big in the post season and is now the 2nd receiver ahead of toomer. he was drafted about the same time our wr's are. Give it time. And deshawn jackson is not very good, look at all his mistakes on the field. And also look at the records of the teams the rookie receivers are playing for. Im not worried about our picks until we absolutly need one to step in due to injury. The only thing they are doing now is getting a little game time experience.

Posted by: SAK2 | October 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Jordy Nelson
Limas Sweed
James Hardy
Devin Thomas
Mario Manningham

These guys haven't contributed like Jackson and Royal, have, are they busts?? Or maybe, just MAYBE, becuase both Jackson and Royal were FORCED into starting because of injury, or lack of anyone else worthy, could be helping them??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: tafka | October 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

+++It's WIDELY known and statiscally backed that wide receivers are the slowest group to catch on and make an impact +++--FBChick

SHHHHHHH!!!. don't tell the Iggles or the Denvers--TheCORK

+++So why would you think a second rounder is going to break the starting lineup so fast??+++

Um, Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson?
Posted by: TheCork | October 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse


And how much of Jackson's production has more to do with the fact that the Eagles have no other option then him at Wide Receiver???

The kid has almost as many drops as he catches, and every team in the league probably would have pulled him from the game after the bonehead missed TD beacuse he celebrated to early, but the eagles with no other options had him back in the line up on the next offensive snap.

If you think Jackson would have as many oppotunities here as he does there, you're kidding yourself.

We have the luxury of having better options while Thomas figures out he's seperation issues.

Admittedly though, I haven't seen much of Royal... but I'm trying to see where 5 catchs and 30 yards is liting it up in Denver on a team that has been pass happy all season. I mean over 1600 passyards for that team already and the kid has 30 and you're drooling over him??? I mean he accounts for 1.5% of their passing offense. Thomas averages 1.0%

Color me ubber impressed!


Posted by: fbchick | October 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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