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Blache Not Overly Concerned with Sacks

Greg Blache is pretty much done with talking about sacks. The lack of a pass rush has long been a topic of conversation here, but he said, in essence, not to expect a lot of sacks this season. That's not who this team is and it isn't what his defense is predicated on.

The defense is all about stopping the run and taking away the big play. I believe what keeps them from being truly elite is the inability to get to the passer two or three times a game in those critical third-down, late-game situations when you can swing the game for good with a sack or pressure. But their No. 4 overall ranking is a testament to the efforts of the coaches and players. And to be doing it without Sean Taylor is exceptional.

Finally today, Blache decided he had heard enough after fielding a few more questions about sacks and the pass rush. He vented a little, saying: "We are who we are. But still we manage to survive. ... In spite of our weaknesses, we are successful. ... Look at us for who we are. ... We're successful in spite of it. ... There's a reason we're still standing."

He is very comfortable with what the defense is accomplishing, and admits that the lack of a big-play element keeps them from being considered one of the "giants" on defense. Blache feels that if they continue to stop the run and take away long balls, they are achieving their goals.

Blache is very enthused to have Shawn Springs back from a calf injury and plans to work all four of his corners into the game. (Springs could play safety, too, and he's the best inside corner on the roster, which will be crucial considering how often Seattle throws to the slot receiver.) Springs was like an extra coach on the sidelines the past few weeks, Blache said, giving pointers to the other corners and sometimes letting them know what the other team was likely about to do.

"He's one of the quality corners in the league," Blache said. "I feel very comfortable with a guy like that on the field."

Blache said his team is focusing on Seattle with QB Matt Hasselbeck playing, not the games he missed with a serious back injury. He believes the Seahawks are about to take off offensively, with wide receiver Deion Branch coming back, too. The Seahawks play at a much greater tempo and Hasselbeck's ability to read the defense, call audibles and adjust sets him apart.

Blache said he does not expect a dropoff in production with H.B. Blades replacing injured linebacker Marcus Washington, despite his lack of size and experience. "That position will have to carry its weight," Blache said.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 20, 2008; 12:55 PM ET
 
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Comments

The Redskins will be the FIRST to score on Sunday

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Blades will do the job.
No worries there. He was a great pick.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

But their No. 4 overall ranking is a testament to the efforts of the coaches and players. And to be doing it without Sean Taylor is exceptional.

If so why do you keep bring it up?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"I believe what keeps them from being truly elite is the inability to get to the passer two or three times a game in those critical third-down, late-game situations when you can swing the game for good with a sack or pressure."

So glad a reporter knows what "elite" defenses are made up of! Most people would consider a #4 ranking in the NFL pretty d@mn elite.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If the team had some beastly D-Line it could be a No-1 D. I mean better than the infamous Tampa D, of old, the 2000 Ravens.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

And most people would expect that when you read someones blog you get their OPINION. Give it a rest already.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I am elite when I try to stop the run but nobody ever talks about my lack of a sack...wait...that came out wrong...

Posted by: P00P | November 20, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Most people would consider a #4 ranking in the NFL pretty d@mn elite.

Posted by: Lacantwrite

No, people consider a defense that carries Trent Dilfer to a Super Bowl victory elite (Ravens). People consider a defense that outscores the opposing offense in a Super Bowl elite (Tampa Bay). People consider a defense that holds the most prolific offense of all-time to its lowest offensive output of the season during the biggest game of their life elite.

The Redskins have a great defense. But they're not elite...yet.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, to offset your loss at the hands of that airline, I'm sending you, 600,000 bonus points. I believe they're redeemable with airlines, just like cash....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

...what I meant to say was, I have a lot of sacks but can't stop when I have the runs...wait...

Posted by: P00P | November 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I believe what keeps them from being truly elite is the inability to get to the passer two or three times a game in those critical third-down, late-game situations when you can swing the game for good with a sack or pressure.

By Jason La Canfora | November 20, 2008; 12:55 PM ET

This defense is ranked number 4 in the league. How many "elite" defenses do you think there are? Three?

This defense has faced, and beaten, some of the toughest offense in the league. New Orleans is #1. Arizona in #2. Giants are #4. Eagles are #6. Cowboys are #11. We lost to the Giants and Cowboys, but the defense held them to two TDs -- both losses were on the offense.

But the 'Skins aren't "elite" because they don't get enough sacks?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

...I have a sack that runs but what I lack is a good rush....I think...

Posted by: P00P | November 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Greg - Thank you. We'll see if they'll take 'em in exchange for my credit card information!

Back to football, I am concerned about the pass rush - I hate when the QB appears to have an hour to throw the ball. I realize the other side of him holding onto the ball can be good - since it might mean he's got no one to throw it too, but it still kills me to watch it.

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

With a name like BLADES he has't to be good.

His father and Uncle were amazing players.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I believe that bonus points are redeemable at the rate of 1/.00000000085 Frequent Flyer miles

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, to offset your loss at the hands of that airline, I'm sending you, 600,000 bonus points. I believe they're redeemable with airlines, just like cash....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:28 PM

If not the airlines, surely she can get a good table at Restaurant Eve.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

By "elite," he means historically so...'85 Bears, like, such as...maps.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If you think this defense is elite, you are not watching the games. We have a lunch pail defense, all guts and hardwork. But they don't change games the way the elite defenses can.

I think half of you would get all hot and bothered if they posted "The Skins record is 6-4"

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So they traded a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor so he could stop the run. Seriously?

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if we did have a great pass rush, this defense would rival those of the Ravens and the Bears. Our secondary is the BEST in the league, and our linebackers are up there as well. Imagine if we were getting pressure up the middle and off the edge. We'd have the #1 defense in the league, hands down. And thats what we want here in Redskin land. We can't be happy with the #4 defense. Not when our offense is in the lower rungs of the league.

I think a truly "Elite" defense is one that can WIN games for you, despite having an anemic offense. Being ranked 4th means that we are great, and one of the best this season. But we are not elite. But then again, the word "Elite" has been so muddled lately that it has lost a lot of its meaning to most people.

Posted by: JMSinCHeights | November 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, that is true, but if you convert the bonus points into "susan b. anthony" dollars first, that rate is extrapolated out ten fold.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

By "elite," he means historically so...'85 Bears, like, such as...maps.

Posted by: CindyBoren

I think most people understood this point without needing it explained. Unfortunately, the hatred for JLC irrationalizes a select few here.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

That sounds great, but how does the conversion work with the "Sacagawea" dollar coins?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just wow. I can understand wanting to see your players at the Pro Bowl, and stuffing the ballot box to make it happen. But Taylor, Jason? At Linebacker, Outside? It would be scandalous for Jason Taylor's mom to vote for him after this season.

Cue Thirteen Cowboys at Last Year's Pro Bowl postage. But at least they played, or attempted to play, the positions at which they were elected.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The only team in the NFL with what is truly an elite D is Tenn. Give them a average-good defense and they are closer to where we are in terms of record.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"No, people consider a defense that carries Trent Dilfer to a Super Bowl victory elite (Ravens). People consider a defense that outscores the opposing offense in a Super Bowl elite (Tampa Bay). People consider a defense that holds the most prolific offense of all-time to its lowest offensive output of the season during the biggest game of their life elite."

So by that logic, the Steelers aren't an elite defense since they don't carry bad qb's to the super bowl? I just don't get why the SAME thing is being harped on over and over and over and over! They are the 4TH ranked defense in the NFL!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 20, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Not buying it. I stated earlier that I think a turnover is worth 50 yards (plus the change in the line of scrimmage). Add in turnovers to the stat line.

Pressure creates sacks and turnovers. So if we looked at defenses and accounted for turnovers, we are not elite. Green Bay is in the middle of the league in yards allowed, but has scored something like 6 TDs on defense!! And they have lots more turnovers.

We're a good defense, still among the better defenses in the league. But not great.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

lacantwrite, which I love the irony of, that 4th ranked Defense really gives you wood huh. Maybe that can keep you warm when if we miss the playoffs. I prefer the W/L stats myself..

But keep humping the stats buddy!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So they traded a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor so he could stop the run. Seriously?

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh

Well, Jason Taylor hasn't really played yet. Maybe that's why Blache isn't worried about it. With what we've had to deal with on defense, we've done great. I don't think that means Blache will be satisfied with status quo going forward.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Johnd, its an inverse relationship with sacagawea dollers. Kind of like the bond market an interest rates, its really complicated.....along with landing me in prison, I've had to get a PHD, just to understand how they work.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"I think most people understood this point without needing it explained. Unfortunately, the hatred for JLC irrationalizes a select few here."

No everyone gets it. How many times has this been brought up? How many other things are more important to be talking about right now? Updates on Portis, Kelly, other injured players, are adjustments being made on offense to improve scoring, ......

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So by that logic, the Steelers aren't an elite defense.

Posted by: Lacantwrite

Precisely. The Steelers are not an elite defense. They're great. They're not elite.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The argument is a good D keeps you in every game, Elite D's can win a game for you on their own.

The skins can do the 1st but not the second.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Quarterbacks: 2. Eli Manning, Giants 3. Jason Campbell, Redskins 5. Donovan McNabb, Eagles

Tackles: 1. Chris Samuels, Redskins 2. Flozell Adams, Cowboys 3. David Diehl, Giants 4. Kareem McKenzie 5. Stephon Heyer, Redskins

Defensive ends: 1. Justin Tuck, Giants 2. Andre Carter, Redskins

Outside linebackers: 1. DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys 2. Jason Taylor, Redskins 3. Marcus Washington, Redskins 4. Rocky McIntosh, Redskins

WHAAAAAAT!!! Campbell, Heyer, Carter, Taylor, Washington, and McIntosh are getting SHAFTED!!! [by which I mean wink wink]

Posted by: dcsween | November 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

elite (none more medium, the mediumest)
great (way medium with straight pockets)
very good (even more medium)
good (real medium)
average (medium)
below average (not so medium)
poor (way less than medium)
atrocious (not medium at all)
keystone cops (almost the opposite of medium)

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"But keep humping the stats buddy!"

how exactly does one go about.....nevermind....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Lacantwrite, what do you expect to hear. Teams hold injuries news close to the vest, you know everything there is to know re: Portis/Kelly, there is no news there. What you think Zorn and Skins PR gonna fax out new pages in the playbook to the press, hold a presser on new offensive wrinkles...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

By "elite," he means historically so...'85 Bears, like, such as...maps.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 20, 2008 1:35 PM

Okay. I can go along with that. We're not in that class. But I wouldn't term them "elite." Doesn't seem strong enough. They're like "defenses for the ages." Or "the pantheon." "Aristocratic."

Jasno needs a good editor. Oops. Never mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

How many updates do you need lacantwrite? They update during and after every practice when they have information. They tell us who is in pads and who isn't. They should NOT tell us about what type of offensive adjustments the team is trying to make, as those should be held secret until they are unveiled on Sundays.

Are you Larry Michael's son or something?

Posted by: JMSinCHeights | November 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"lacantwrite, which I love the irony of, that 4th ranked Defense really gives you wood huh. Maybe that can keep you warm when if we miss the playoffs. I prefer the W/L stats myself..

But keep humping the stats buddy!"

So it's the defenses fault we've lost 4 games? I don't care about stats either, but it's hard to continually bash a "weakness" when it is in the top 5 of the NFL.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | November 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

te is tasting toe cheese.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

RE: Bonus Points - so much to learn, so much to learn...and they won't let me put them in my 401K

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The argument is a good D keeps you in every game, Elite D's can win a game for you on their own.

The skins can do the 1st but not the second.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 1:46 PM

This seems like a good distinction, but if you believe it, then what we're missing is not sacks. Sacks don't win games. They keep you in the game.

What we need are turnovers that lead to points -- ints, fumbles in the redzone. Sacks lead to punts, not points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

bonus points are like a mystery, wrapped within an enigma.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

T_E ,
Sacks can lead to Fumbles, JC had 8-9 fumbles last year, each one counts as a sack too.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Quarterbacks: 2. Eli Manning, Giants 3. Jason Campbell, Redskins 5. Donovan McNabb, Eagles

Tackles: 1. Chris Samuels, Redskins 2. Flozell Adams, Cowboys 3. David Diehl, Giants 4. Kareem McKenzie 5. Stephon Heyer, Redskins

Defensive ends: 1. Justin Tuck, Giants 2. Andre Carter, Redskins

Outside linebackers: 1. DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys 2. Jason Taylor, Redskins 3. Marcus Washington, Redskins 4. Rocky McIntosh, Redskins

WHAAAAAAT!!! Campbell, Heyer, Carter, Taylor, Washington, and McIntosh are getting SHAFTED!!! [by which I mean wink wink]

Posted by: dcsween | November 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You guys are taking Chief Zee's loss kinda rough eh?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

TE, sorry my man....pressure which is the key, leads to turnovers, mayhem, forced throws, three and outs...and sometimes sacks...which lead to fumbles...etc...

Anyone that argues that pressuring the QB consistantly isn't huge in the NFL....well I just don't agree.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Elite is a relative term.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Some of my relatives are elite, some not so much

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

From PGH, even more reason to get Thomas, Davis, and Kelly involved:

Cooley and Moss’ 104 grabs account for 52% of the 200 receptions made by the Redskins this year, and when you include Randle El, 70.5% of the passing offense (141 catches) is comprised of three players. The fact that only five players have more than ten catches is troubling enough, but the news gets even worse when you take into account that those four players with at least 20 catches are also the only four with over 100 receiving yards. 1,969 yards the team has thrown for this year, and 1,888 of them have gone to the “Big Four” – 95.8% of the team’s passing yards have been gained by four people, and one of them is a running back. That is not spreading the ball out.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Thats true, Elite is relative. I used to be an assistant coach little league soccer when I was in my teens, and they liked to call the team elite, then again the team allowed 1 goal all season in the last game they played. Now thats elite. At some point we will have an NFL team capable of getting 19 shutouts in a season, and I will call that the elite team.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter is going to the Pro Bowl, unless there is a lineman in the way to block him. In that case, he's going nowhere.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

elite is a French term. Do we still make fun of the French? Mmmmm ... freeeeeedom friiiiiiiiiies ...

Posted by: dcsween | November 20, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see this?http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/11/19/redskins.voting.ap/index.html

I know it's not hard to vote on a computer, but why isn't Wilbon or anyone else at the post writing about this dedication of Redskins fans? It is a shame that so many tickets get sold to opposing teams' fans, but not everyone can afford season tickets. There are thousands and thousands of Skins fans who support this team as much or more than any other fans in the league support their teams, and anyone who suggests otherwise, especially from the DC media, is completely out of touch with their audience.

I know this post is unrelated to the article and a week or two outdated, but I had to vent.

Posted by: crazycarl16 | November 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Everything is relative

- A Post Modernist

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I think half of you would get all hot and bothered if they posted "The Skins record is 6-4"

Posted by: chrislarry

I disagree CL. It that no matter what JLC always post something negative.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Where there's a will, there's a relative

Modern Poster

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone recommend a good place to watch games in the Clarendon, VA area? Good food, easy parking, NFL Network.

Thanks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, your as one-note as he is at this point

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think The Truth lives in Clarendon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned on LaCa's Q&A about the neat fact that the skins have/had 2 coaches that were the QB for an expansion franchise (TB-Spurrier and SEA-Zorn)

So I just thought I would pull up their numbers through their careers, you can get all the info from NFL.com but I will summarize
http://www.nfl.com/players/jimzorn/profile?id=ZOR622935
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevespurrier/profile?id=SPU415291

Zorn, (11 seasons)
comp 1,669:attmpt 3,149: Yds 21,115: TD 111 : Int 141: QBR 67.3
Spurrier (10 seasons)
comp 597 : attmpt 1151 : Yds 6,878 : TD 40 : Int 60 : QBR 60.1

What is interesting Both QB's played their final Season in Tampa

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, your as one-note as he is at this point

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:21 PM

So if JLC is "one-note" what's wrong about calling him out on it.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of JLC taking shots at Cerrato. I can't even read his chats anymore. It got old a long time ago.

Back in the day, we used to get Terry Robiskie or Kenard Lang or someone to chat instead of the beat reporter. I wonder if we could lobby for that kind of setup instead of this tired crap?

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just got done reading the chat from Jasno.......don't know what to say.....(grinding sound heard in background)....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

What is interesting Both QB's played their final Season in Tampa

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM

Actually Alex, that isn't interesting

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

elite is a French term. Do we still make fun of the French? Mmmmm ... freeeeeedom friiiiiiiiiies ...

Posted by: dcsween | November 20, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Not since they got themselves a 1st lady who is 10x hotter than any first lady in American History. We should have elected Kusinich as president so we can win that title.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think The Truth lives in Clarendon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll look for the Beware of The Truth sign on the fence.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Smack look for the house painted in red and black with a giant UGA painted on the front.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Not since they got themselves a 1st lady who is 10x hotter than any first lady in American History. We should have elected Kusinich as president so we can win that title.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:27 PM

Yeah but she can't match up to our number one second lady, Marilyn Monroe. Ooh la la.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

That's just the point though, JLC is not one note. He can write that he loves JC, loves the D, loves Zorn, loves Blache but feels like they need more sacks.

All you guys would say, is. "D's #4 without sacks quit being a hater.

Never thought I'd quote Paul Simon on the blog but:
"Still a man he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Lets be thankful folks, we almost wound up with a 1st lady with the nickname Bubba

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but she can't match up to our number one second lady, Marilyn Monroe. Ooh la la.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Depends on your tastes, both have nude photos of them out there.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Gweez, doesn't it irk you that JLC invented this concept of the "Vinny Cerrato Era" and then bashes you over the head with it?

It's so formulaic. Something happens. JLC says how it would have been better if something else had happened. JLC blames it on his invented "Vinny Cerrato Era." Gack.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 20, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse


If Cerrato had managed to wrest away Ocho Cinco from Cincy, Dudw could have roomed with Fred Davis and they'd only need to buy one alarm clock.

Posted by: TheCork | November 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes thats true. Cindy "Bubba" McCain, Ann"Bubba" Romney, Jeri "Bubba" Barr

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, your as one-note as he is at this point

Posted by: chrislarry |

You have a right to your point of view. My question for you would be. How is it you think it great that JLC calls out the FO but not for him to be called out?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

LB G/C DE DT

All of them have to be areas of concern, and, dare I say it, still WR? You guys tell me. Would you feel comfortable with the same 5 guys next year, banking on Kelly and Thomas to have breakout seasons?

From the chat, when asked a question regarding what the Team should be doing in the upcoming draft. So I guess both Thomas and Kelly are busts then, and at this point in time INCAPABLE of improving next year...because as we all know WR don't improve on their rookie years...EVER....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Joe,

Absolutely. It's childish and petty of JLC and Vinny. They both come off a chooches for the whole feud.

I don't however feel the need to make post after post about it though. JLC is almost always negative about Vinny but he doesn't always talk about Vinny.

By in large he is super supportive of Blache and the defense as a whole, JC, Spring, Carter, CC, Pete Kendall and most other players.

Can he be negative at times? Yes. But nearly as negative as some people on here. Jlacantwrite is here solely to bash on JLC. JM220 once a great poster has basically become nothing more than a hater of JLC.

It's just a tired act.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
a small point, you complain about what he said but did not answer his question.

Would you feel comfortable with the same 5 guys next year, banking on Kelly and Thomas to have breakout seasons? Is that another possible issue position?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

That is so not true Gweez.Whenever someone takes a personal shot at JLC I am one of the first ones to defend him and call for a stop of it. How does that make me a hater? If he doesn’t want anyone to call him out on some of the stuff he puts up then maybe he should stop calling people out.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:32 PM

JLC has had many post over the past couple of days, yet the "one-note" through his post is his obvious hatred of vinny. This has affected the non-bias reporting many of you think you get from RI. Not much difference between reading RI and SI. Both are heavy in negativity towards the Skins.

And tiresome.

The difference between the two are the many commenters on RI that bring much more than what RI offers. And is why many of us keep coming back.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but she can't match up to our number one second lady, Marilyn Monroe. Ooh la la.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Depends on your tastes, both have nude photos of them out there.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:36 PM

Okay, then how about our #2 Second Lady, Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think The Truth lives in Clarendon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM


No way does this Truth focker live in Virginia.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I will defend till the death ones right to ask a question. If we start persecuting people for posing questions, well we know from history how that goes.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Okay, then how about our #2 Second Lady, Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I hope we never get nude photos of her.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - Mr. Days is the only place i can think of - lots of TVs, but you have to get the right table to see your game. It has a pretty big Skins slant to it I think.

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I think The Truth lives in Clarendon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 2:24 PM

Dude lives in a trailer park in South Carolina. He's said as much many times now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Would you feel comfortable with the same 5 guys next year, banking on Kelly and Thomas to have breakout seasons? Is that another possible issue position?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:45 PM

Although this was addressed to greg, let me answer by saying no. I would get rid of thrash and are and sign two other receivers to replace them. Kelly and Thomas will , IMHO, improve and be Skins for many years, but we still need depth and both thrash and are will not cut it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Both are heavy in negativity towards the Skins.

And tiresome.

The difference between the two are the many commenters on RI that bring much more than what RI offers. And is why many of us keep coming back.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not arguing with what you said. I don't think it's all negative but as I said, his hatred of Vinny is very apparent in his writing. I just don't think posting on his supposed bias ad nauseum is really worth it. I come here for the RI Posters as well and the constant barrage of "JLC is a hater" has become trite.

Maybe commenting on the hater comments has become the same...

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that when I mentioned there are nudes of Frances 1st lady out there traffic died.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay, then how about our #2 Second Lady, Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

I hope we never get nude photos of her.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:51 PM |

This is what your parents were talking about when they told you not to look at nude photos.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

alex, yeah, I expect both Kelly and Thomas to have much better years next year. They'll be in their second year, so second year in this offense, second year of understanding the Pro-Game, second year of understanding what is expected of them, and their first offseason of conditioning/lifting with the team.

So yeah, I expect, Moss/Are/Thomas/Kelly, to be quite impressive next year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for my right to an opinion JM220. I am sorry dude, I could care less about JLC really. He is what he is. I appreciate what he does and take his biases at face value, as you should with anyone.

My issue is that you are one of my all time fave posters, but your on some weird crusade to make some point, that frankly seems convoluted...are you a one-man payback crew? You are rarely insightful, funny, bring your exstensive FB knowledge or interesting anymore. Do you have just one post that you cut and paste?

Also its just football. Its fun to have opinions. Last time I checked when the issue was bigger than football...New Orleans, trouble in people's personal lives, #21 death coverage, or just being personable and approachable JLC has been a real good dude..

I am good friends with Giants/Eagles/Pukes fans and we rip eachother a new one all season long....but when thats over we slap backs and have a laugh....

Why should RI be any different?


OK off soapbox.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I will defend till the death ones right to ask a question. If we start persecuting people for posing questions, well we know from history how that goes.

Posted by: alex35332

That is so true Alex. It not like I want all postive because I have pointed to Reid work ovet the last couple of weeks. He has pointed out where the team needs to improve but without the hate JLC puts in. Is that too much to ask from JLC?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

JM,

Maybe I overstated it a bit. However the vast majority of your posts seem to be discussing JLC. I liked it better when you were wielding the hammer.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe commenting on the hater comments has become the same...

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 2:52 PM |

This I agree with. No need to constantly bash JLC for his hatred, nor the JLC haters for their hatred, and on, and on and on...

Posted by: Skins930 | November 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I believe that bonus points are redeemable at the rate of 1/.00000000085 Frequent Flyer miles

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse


Speaking of elite -- check your 4th grade math, dude. That works out to almost 1.2 billion ff miles.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | November 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

his hatred of Vinny is very apparent in his writing.

Gweez

That's my point! Do the reporting without that foolishness. But you have a point as the reason most of us are here. So maybe I jsut need to ignore that part of it and just enjoy the real reason I am here.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we need Barno to come back and pound JLC on a regular basis. That not only takes the pressure off the rest of it, but he was so meat-handed in his approach that it made the rest of us defend JLC. Barno, where are you now when we need you? Howling at the moon?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

So I guess both Thomas and Kelly are busts then, and at this point in time INCAPABLE of improving next year...because as we all know WR don't improve on their rookie years...EVER....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

No, just as they are not busts yet, they are also not made men guaranteed of breaking out into legit NFL WRs.

Therefore, WR is an area of concern. "Will they or won't they?" That is a concern.

It's really not that difficult to understand. ANYBODY that disagrees with that has an "agenda" of their own.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

and just enjoy the real reason I am here.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

The sweet sweet lovvin?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not comfortable with Kelly and Thomas going into next year. I really liked the one catch Kelly made because he went after it, and great possession receivers go after the ball. But he's clearly an injury risk.

As for Thomas, I'm just not seeing enough to give me confidence the guy will ever be a starting caliber player at this level.

To me, they both fall into the category of maybe, but not likely.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

My favorite topic of all:

Vinny/Jasno beef

Right next to the '08 draft and Rock/Mason.

Absolutely the best, f'n awesome.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 20, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of elite -- check your 4th grade math, dude. That works out to almost 1.2 billion ff miles.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | November 20, 2008 2:56 PM

Right. Those FF miles, plus $800 will buy you a ticket from BWI to Cincinnati.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

That's my point! Do the reporting without that foolishness. But you have a point as the reason most of us are here. So maybe I jsut need to ignore that part of it and just enjoy the real reason I am here.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't have said it better myself. That's all I (and i think some others) were saying.

Now I'll stop commenting on the comments of others. If I don't gimme a smack to the back of the head.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

psp, you don't think that Kelly or Thomas will improve from this year to next?

Kelly being HEALTHY, that wouldn't be an improvement??

Right, I'm the one with the agenda....pot this is kettle...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't spend too much time head-scratching about the #2 receiver. It's not a position that we use, so who cares?

ARE does a fine job with what little he's given -- he had the longest play of the game last week!

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Right. Those FF miles, plus $800 will buy you a ticket from BWI to Cincinnati.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want to ever go to cinci? Oh right we play there.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I am with Curz %100 re: The Recievers.

Thrash/ARE gone...bring in some legit starter depth at WR and continue to wait and see with Rooks...wothout NEEDING them.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

right - one bonus point equals .0000000085 frequent flyer miles ratio of 1 to .0000000085 - te's got it right - actually, you can fly from Dulles to National with about 100000 Bonus Points using that conversion rate.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 20, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to wait until the season to make a judgement on Kelly. My belief is he come on strong the next 6 games. No question Thrash should be gone next year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

psp, you don't think that Kelly or Thomas will improve from this year to next?

Kelly being HEALTHY, that wouldn't be an improvement??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 3:01 PM

I'm willing to bet that not only will they improve before next season, but that they will improve by the end of this season. Kelly's been in one game? And now we "don't feel comfortable going into next season." Isn't it too early to have this discussion, or did someone move free agency and the draft up to week 14?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Found a site with a list of possible FA's at WR, If we pick up 1 I would not be shocked.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante' Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Roydell Williams, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Cedrick Wilson, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

That list is way incomplete. Don't forget Billy McMullen and Anthony Mix. Also, Reche Caldwell has to be on our minds.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

TE,
Just pulled it from the WWW and all. Did not really think it over much.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

alex, thanks for the list. I think the problem is that if Thrash get dumped, then the guy replacing him, has to be somewhat of a special teams demon as well.

Any chance you could post the upcoming free agent Defensive Linemen?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

On that list i'm luke warm on Henderson and while I'd love to have Houshemendensenzeahazrehaz on the field he'd be problematic for blogging so i vote no.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If they could afford it get Houshmanzilly.

Since they probably won't, I'd like them to go after either Shaun McDonald or Cedrick Wilson.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Same site:
Defensive Linemen

Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Remember how we were so ready to send Rogers and JC off? Give the young WR some time. At least the next 6 games.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If I'm the Skins FO, I invest heavily in O-line in the draft -- I've said that for the last few years since it takes time to develop linemen.

We're be replacing all of them within 3-5 years. Jansen and Kendall could be done as starters after this year. I estimate it takes about 15 picks (spread evenly in the draft) to get 5 solid OL starters

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BTW, they don't take into account possible resigning.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Nice list Alex, but I hope that maybe one of our practice squad WR could also step up (at least for depth) because we cannot afford to spend too much $$$ on WR's with our need at both lines.

Like greg, a look at the DL FA would be nice to look at, with an emphasis on DT.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

My issue is that you are one of my all time fave posters,

Posted by: chrislarry | November 20, 2008 2:53 PM

Some of his best work was "Chris LaRrY wears lacy pink panties." I always wondered how he knew. I guess if he was one of your favorites, you shared these intimate secrets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Just to finish it up with the last spot of need OL's

Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Marc Colombo, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Other Offensive Lineman
Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans
Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins
George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins
Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans
John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Greg -

Do I think they'll improve? Yes.

Do I think they'll improve enough to be better than Antwaan Randle El, Rod Gardner, David Patten, Reche Caldwell, Keenan Mccardell, Taylor Jacobs, Brandon Lloyd, or any of the other #2, 3, or 4 WRs that have been brought in the last however-many-years? I don't know.

And that's the point. Chris Horton has established himself. He's a player, he's somebody this franchise can depend on in the future.

Kelly and Thomas have not established themselves. As of right now, "they are what they are", and that is 2 underachieving rookies on a team desperate for help at their positions. They have not "set" the WR position as secure for the future by any means. They could set it in the future, sure, but they could also be a pair of Taylor Jacobs.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with JLC or not, but if you can't see that his statement was a completely legitimate argument given the situation, then you are grinding that axe harder than you seem to believe JLC is.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Some of his best work was "Chris LaRrY wears lacy pink panties." I always wondered how he knew. I guess if he was one of your favorites, you shared these intimate secrets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

LMAO! Hell no! CL are cool but not that damn cool.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Anything go down at the Park today?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Of the UFAs, Housh stands out for me. Thought we should have traded for him (and not ocho cinco). I mean, can the guy really want to spend the rest of his career in Cincy?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

My guess is Kelly is a baller. Maybe in the mold of a umm Keyshawn (not my fav person either). Davis a bust and who knows. Can't get a feel for him. I think he turns into a decent one.

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Anything go down at the Park today?
JM220
---
*cough* Poolman's mom and wife and girlfriend

Posted by: alex35332 | November 20, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Bring in a 335+ pound DT and switch to a 3-4.

Front Seven:
RE - Carter
NT - Draft
LE - FA/Draft/Taylor

OLB - McIntosh
ILB - Blades
ILB - Fletcher
OLB - Draft/FA

To me it seems like LB's are easier to come by than good quality linemen. Maybe the 'skins should look more into converting players positions that are a need.

Of course for it to work this requires players that can fit a 3-4 scheme. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but I think you must be able to give the offense other looks from your front seven--4-6 and 3-4.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Bah should read ".....and THOMAS who knows, can't get a feel I think he'll turn out to be decent"

Posted by: Gweez | November 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter whether you agree with JLC or not, but if you can't see that his statement was a completely legitimate argument given the situation, then you are grinding that axe harder than you seem to believe JLC is.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 3:20 PM

You and Jasno are just premature to be making these determinations. There are too many games left for these players to decide whether we feel comfortable about them next year. When you judge someone before the facts are in, you're prejudiced.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of when Gibbs was asked why they didn't improve the D-line and instead got more D Backs that we could get more sacks if the D backs sustained coverage longer. Really?

When your offense Struggles Greg, sacks help force turnovers and alter field position. So while being ranked in terms of yardage is all fine and good, Great Defenses force sacks, generate Turnovers and give their offense Short fields with which to work.

Giving up long drives and getting a turnover off of the opponent's mis-cue is a recipe for disaster as evidence by November 16, 2008.

Posted by: keino83 | November 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - Carter and Taylor would be eaten alive as DEs in a 3-4. Evans and Daniels may be able to hold their own, but you'd need to add around 30-40 pounds to Carter and Taylor to effective DEs in a 3-man line.

Posted by: psps23 | November 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Team rankings do not mean anything. Earlier this season the Redskins were in the top five in the NFC in total offense. But they were near the bottom in points scored. Yards per game on offense or defense dont mean anything if you dont have game changing plays like scoring in the red zone or a big sack on third down. Does it matter that the Skins outgained the Rams? No. The Rams came up with a few game changing plays and won. So being ranked 4th is meaningless.

Posted by: SYalie06 | November 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Dominating defenses don't lose 2 in a row at home!

Posted by: Dfan | November 20, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the Skins need to decide if they want to fix the WR issue or muddle thru. Fixing it means Housh. Problem solved. Muddle means doing what we're doing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly and Thomas have not established themselves" - Fascinating insight considering that COMBINED they have played..what 11 games TOTAL...your statement gets the NO-SHTI SHERLOCK Award of the day. The question is will they improve from year 1 to year 2, which in looking at the overview of this from the PERSPECTIVE OF THE ENTIRE NFL, this is the manner in which this happens, as wide receivers, and qb's have the biggest traditional adjustments, but don't let historical facts stand in your way. Year 1 is an adjustment period, year 2 is when things start to happen. I mean, for example, some guy named Santana Moss had only 1 more catch that Kelly has so far, in Moss's rookie year, and that turned out ok.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

So being ranked 4th is meaningless.

Posted by: SYalie06 | November 20, 2008 3:29 PM

How about being ranked 32nd? Also meaningless?

What being fourth means is that you're giving up fewer yards per game than 28 teams in the league. It tells a lot about a defense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

BEEP BEEP

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the Skins need to decide if they want to fix the WR issue or muddle thru. Fixing it means Housh. Problem solved. Muddle means doing what we're doing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 20, 2008 3:33 PM

At this point, the Skins don't need to do anything. They have to make decisions when all the facts are in, after the last game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I would want to break the bank for Housh. I don't know what he'll be asking for, but we're going to be busy signing JC and Dhall this offseason and we have too many needs elsewhere to worry about a FA WR unless he comes really cheap.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 20, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

How about being ranked 32nd? Also meaningless?

What being fourth means is that you're giving up fewer yards per game than 28 teams in the league. It tells a lot about a defense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 20, 2008 3:35 PM


Clearly total yerds is one indicator of a good defense. But my point is that you cannot use that as an argument for why sacks are unimportant. You don't win games solely by giving up fewer yards on defense. Along those same lines, you cannot argue that a team has one of the best offenses in the league if they put up a lot of yards but do not score.

Posted by: SYalie06 | November 20, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is this the first time we've heard Blache actually say something positive about the D as a whole?

I actually don't like it. Beat dem dawgs 'till they holler!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 20, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Turnovers and pass rush pressure go hand and hand....lack of sacks or any consistent pressure is a big reason why this defense isn't elite. This is a bend but break defense that doesn't give up the big play, which is very commendable. I credit our DB's and LB's for giving up very few big plays and keeping us in games.

The top defenses like the Giants and Pittsburgh get sacks, TO's, and sometimes actually score points. GB's defense has scored seven defensive TD's this year!! The Skins D has twice gotten the ball deep in opposition territory to set up easy scores for the offense, but we're near the bottom in TO's forced.

Blatche's comments were on point that is a good defense...it's nowhere near great like the Giants, Steelers, or Ravens. We aren't mentioned in the same breath as those D's because we don't get sacks or force TO's.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

So they traded a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor so he could stop the run. Seriously?
Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh

No, Joe. They traded a 2nd rounder for the best defensive end they could find after Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzee both went down with knee injuries on the first day of training camp.

Get off it already.

Some of you guys are worse than wives who are still yappin' about somebody you dated in high school even though you've been married for 20 years.

Forget about the 2nd rounder for Taylor. He was a good gamble that hasn't paid off. It happens.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 20, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Dominating defenses don't lose 2 in a row at home!
Posted by: Dfan

Amen, brother. Any body got any brilliant ideas as to why there doesn't seem to be any kinda home-field advantage at FedEx?

Other than the Skins fielding so-so teams, I mean.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The Skins D has twice gotten the ball deep in opposition territory to set up easy scores for the offense...
Posted by: wizfan89

"easy scores" = field goals.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the league should give the 'Skins their second rounder back. It's not fair.

Posted by: josettes | November 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

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