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Keep an Eye on Toler in 3rd Round of Draft

Most of the draft focus is generally on the first round, which is understandable. And with Skins owner Daniel Snyder smitten now with yet another quarterback - USC's Mark Sanchez has become the hot target inside Redskins Park, according to sources - there's all the more reason to concentrate on what Washington does with its top pick.

But the Skins do have other picks, and one name to keep an eye on in the third round is Greg Toler, a corner from St. Paul's College who drew rave reviews during his workout and private visit to Redskins Park. Toler is a D.C. native with explosive speed and ability (see Stephen Ball's recent story on Toler). He played against low-level competition in college to be sure, but has drawn attention from Baltimore, Miami, New England and the Jets as well, according to sources.

At 5-11 he has decent size and by the time next week rolls around he will have visited with roughly half the league's teams. After the third round, the Redskins don't pick again until the fifth round, and Toler might be off the board by then. Projecting someone who performed at a school that has never had a player drafted before is difficult, opinions will vary, and, yes, the Skins took a corner in the fourth round last year. But Justin Tryon has much to prove and Fred Smoot is likely in his last year with the club. In a system that calls for so much man coverage, often with just a single high safety, having three quality cover corners is essential.

Toler spent about a day and a half with the Skins, on the heels of a similar visit with Baltimore. Some believe he could even be a late second-round pick. Perhaps there will be a value defensive end or linebacker still on the board in the third round - assuming the Redskins find a way to get Sanchez with their top pick - to fill an immediate starting need, but from the buzz I am hearing I wouldn't be shocked to see the Skins grab this kid in the third round.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 15, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

If we take a QB in the 1st round then we should really take a punter in the 3rd, forget CB.

Posted by: az_david | April 15, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

the game is lame.....

smart rulz
stupid drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 10:03 AM

Like Predicting Cutler to the Jets as fact?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see any way that the Redskins take Sanchez. I just cannot see that happening....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Jasno

A corner?

With the 3rd round pick?

A guy selected after Mark Sanchez?

It would all make sense if J Campbell is traded on the same day (in fact, I bet they got some info about a trade during the whole Cutler mess and like what they heard) and the skins use whatever pick they get for him to add some offensive lineman.

The team could use some depth behind Smoot, Hall, Rogers, but the third rounder should be a young center, guard prospect. Rabach and Thomas can't play forever, ya' know.

The draft is in 10 days...we'll see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Toler makes sense in the 3rd round. If the skins grab Sanchez in the 1st, here's hoping that the skins either trade a pick in next year draft to move into the 2nd round this year and get a C/G, or that JC will garner a 2nd rounder on draft day.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

If we do take Dirty Sanchez, this could be the worse draft ever. Please Sea, Jax, SF take him before we can. PLEASE! Too many needs to fill.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

fedor, no kidding, if they take a qb in the first, ugh...thats just stupid for the sake of stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Moe you and I are on the same page.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez? Is Snyder nuts? He's a bigger work in progress than Campbell was heading into his draft. At least JC had "matured" over 4 years - Sanchez is coming out early and will have mental difficulties adjusting - mark my words. Need to grab Oher with 13 and an LB in the 3rd. Toler is interesting, though, but let's forget about Sanchez, please!

Posted by: 4skinz | April 15, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

A corner would be nice but not a big need.
My prediction for the rest of the month.
April 25th, Skins draft a QB in the first round. Traid JC for a 3rd and 4th round pick. In the 3rd round we get 2 CB's.

April 26, Skins trade all their day 2 picks for the 1st pick in the 4th round, take a MLB.

April 27th, Fans burn down Ashburn and RalJon and Vinny Cirrato is reported missing.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm resigned to the fact that the Browns and Skins have talked about making a trade on draft day...Prollay JC & the #13 and next year's 1st for the 5th pick and Browns #50 this year, or some other stupid combination.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

We have two young, developing quarterbacks and now these guys want a third? I'd laugh if it wasn't my team. When will Danny grow tired of the ridicule?

Posted by: mack1 | April 15, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see any way that the Redskins take Sanchez. I just cannot see that happening....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Bean, this is EXACTLY the kind of asinine thing Snyder will do. Our only hope is that Snyder gets picked early. But then again, I would not be shocked if Snyder tried to move up to secure Sanchez.

It's sooo frustrating rooting for this franchise!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 15, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm not going to panic until this actually happens. Maybe its a smokescreen....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Skins Mock Draft:

Rd 1: Michael Oher or Andre Smith (OT)
The Skins don't score points. Our QB doesn't have time and our RBs get beat up at the line. We've neglected the OLine for too long. And our offense is just not fun to watch. Dockery was (hopefully) a gift but we still need to add talent. Either of these guys could play right away at RT and eventually replace Samuels at LT.

Rd 3: Duke Robinson (OG)
Same story as above. Robinson is an enormous, talented lineman who could be our RG for the next decade, or slide over to LG when Dock is finished.

Rd 5: Kyle Moore* or Matt Shaughnessy (DE)
Skins fans know that DE is one of our biggest weaknesses right now. Both of these players have 4-3 End size (6'5" 272lb & 6'5" 266lb) to fit in our system. Neither of them are pure pass-rushers but they both play athletic, tough, Redskins type football and could eat up RBs on early downs and throw in a few timely sacks and TFL.
*Kyle Moore may be long gone as Kiper has him going (to the Skins) in the 3rd round. But many other analysts don't have him in the top 4 rounds.

Rd 6: Victor Butler (OLB)
Butler is one of the fastest sideline to sideline OLB in the draft. And at 6'2" 235lb he is plenty big enough to play the strong side. He's a sound tackler and best of all he is a Pure Pass-rusher. Last year he accumulated 65 Tackles, 21.5 TFL, 12 Sacks, 4 FF, and 2 FR while garnering First Team all PAC 10 honors. He really could compete for the starting SAM spot.

Rd 7 (COMP): Kevin Barnes or Bradley Fletcher (CB)
The Skins have some great talent at starting CB (Hall & Rogers) but the backups are somewhat worrisome (Smoot - inconsistent/soft, Tryon - inexperienced, talented?). Both of these corners are 6' tall and would be able to match up with inside leverage against bigger slot receivers and TEs. They both have pretty good hands and probably warrant a 7th round comp pick.

Rd 7 (COMP): Pannel Egboh (DE)
This guy is another big DE (6'6" 276lb) who specializes against the run. He can move inside as well. He's another trench warrior but isn't as athletic as the other DEs and probably won't turn the corner in the NFL too often.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | April 15, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson will be an early 2nd rounder

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

wait, nevermind...was thinking of Loadholt

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

People People

We have got it all wrong the more we ridicule Snyder the more he thinks he is right because he sees that as people are jealous of him.

if we want snyder to change we need to start praising him therefore confusing him and he will do the opposite.

So with that being said/
ALL HAIL KING SNYDER ( got all the way to Snyder before started snickering )

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

If "sources" really are saying this stuff, why is not the headline of this thread, "Snyder Wants Sanchez"?

I wouldn't buy this if you paid me. It is prototypical rumor-mongering.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

You would think that Snyder would be too short and stocky to get his head up his own...

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm not going to panic until this actually happens. Maybe its a smokescreen....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:25 AM

I think we're all praying for a smokescreen...

Posted by: 4skinz | April 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This would be the worst drafte ever. I don't know if Toler can play or not. But many mock drafts don't even have him getting drafted. He is rated in the 30's to 40's for a corner. Even if he is great you don't need to take him with the 3rd round pick because he will most likely be around later on.

Its not the position or the player- its taking this player at this position in the draft. Be patient Snyrrato!

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | April 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Also, way to come up with the "hot" rumor. It's only been out there since the non-trade for Cutler. I think the first to spread it was the a$$ clown Mark Schelereth.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 15, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

For the sake of this season and future seasons lets utilize all our picks for needs, hold on to next years picks too. No shiny new QB who will have growing pains and no time to throw. Lets just pray to the football gods this is a smokescreen.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins go QB - CB in their first two selections, it would possibly be the most inept draft (prospectively speaking, of course) ever conducted by the Redskins. On a team where there is a DIRE need for future and immediate prospects along the offensive line, at DE, and at LB, taking 2 positions with their only selections in the first 4 rounds where there are already starters and a primary backup would be head-spinning.

Of course, such is the way of Cerrato. Offensive and defensive lines? Who needs them. What will really make the difference is a fresh Tight End.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Great! Sanchez with the 1st, CB with the 3rd. I'm sure there will be PLENTY of starting caliber O/D Linemen and LBs left to choose from on sunday!!

'sarcasm'

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 15, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

sheriff_gonna_getcha

Please use your service revolver, Mr. Sheriff, to enter the redskins' draft room so you can hold the FO hostage and make the selections you've listed.


INSERT Lawyer's baritone voice:
(LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Moe in no way endorses the use of a gun to hold anyone hostage, or, the use of a gun in any enterprise other than personal protection. Any one having a gun for more than four hours should see a doctor for help with reducing the gun's effect on its potential victim.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

psp, agreed. it would be categorically, and galactically stupid.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Like Predicting Cutler to the Jets as fact?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Good pull...yeah I was wrong there...but it was a prediction that was grounded in strong reasoning, analysis and reasearch...(as in local NYC sports media)

AND by the way the Jets were morons for not pushing harder for Cutler....talk about a team w/o a QB......

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Detroit Lions are going to have a new uniform/Logo, scroll down the page to see what they are gonna do. Eww: http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/29297-jags-and-lions-unveil-new-uniforms.html

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

psp and Greg,

Actually is be the dumbest f-ing move ever.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

with only oher prob available @13, I think we grab cushing or jackson, or maybe even ray m. then in the 3rd there is still plenty of oline talent like a gerald cadogan. maybe even with the 5th a jaime thomas to play gaurd, but no way does jlc's scenerio come true.

Posted by: hcicron | April 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will trade next year's first round pick to move up and grab Sanchez. We all know it's coming. What a f'n idiot! Sanchez will never have a chance because he'll be throwing from his back.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 15, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I truly believe Snyder will draft Sanchez....let's face it...he tried to trade Campbell and secure that whiny Cutler - and Jason only has one year left on his contract....they will not re-sign him and will then hand the job to Sanchez next season.

Not to mention the fact that Vinny always stresses that he "drafts the best player on the board regardless of need." Which means our only hope is that Sanchez is gone by the time our number is called.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 15, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

ALL predraft talk should be taken with a SUV size grain of salt. But if you think this Sanchez debacle doesn't have juice and that the 342 people reporting Snyders new man crush aren't legit, well lets just say it won't be the first time your wrong...

A puppy dies everytime someone types "Snyder has changed"....remember that.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

cl, not at that price they weren't...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

What's worse is if we get Sanchez, he has to start this season. We can't use a #1 pick for the guy to sit a year.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Also, way to come up with the "hot" rumor. It's only been out there since the non-trade for Cutler. I think the first to spread it was the a$$ clown Mark Schelereth.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 15, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Schlereth was raving about Sanchez on Denver radio yesterday. He says his "people" think he'll be long gone before the Broncos, in this instance, pick. It is troubling though that where there is usually smoke with the skins there's fire (i.e, predraft rumors about JC, Haynesworth and Cutler interest, etc.).

In a rational world I'd like to see the skins take a DE like Ayers (my first choice) or Jackson or an OT like Smith or Oher then follow up in the third with best OLB, OL, or CB available. RE: Ayers - Mike Mayock loves him and said he dominated A. Smith last fall. Considering the skins have a huge hole on that side of the defense at DE and SLB picking a DE in the first and a RT in the third may make the most sense if they can pull it off.

Posted by: skinswest | April 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I truly believe Snyder will draft Sanchez....let's face it...he tried to trade Campbell and secure that whiny Cutler - and Jason only has one year left on his contract....they will not re-sign him and will then hand the job to Sanchez next season.

Not to mention the fact that Vinny always stresses that he "drafts the best player on the board regardless of need." Which means our only hope is that Sanchez is gone by the time our number is called.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 15, 2009 10:43 AM |

Lisa,

Sanchez will never be there at 13, the only way to get him would be to move up.

Cutler is a whiner but he is also a good QB, thats a little different then drafting Sanchez.

JC17 will get a huge contract from the Skins, if he plays well enough to deserve it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"I'm resigned to the fact that the Browns and Skins have talked about making a trade on draft day...Prollay JC & the #13 and next year's 1st for the 5th pick and Browns #50 this year, or some other stupid combination.Posted by: TWISI"

I don't think so. More likely the Browns will trade Braylon Edwards, possibly to the Jints, for a first round pick or multiple lower round selections.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Good story about draft day from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4068223

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

i love that our owner gets smitten by players and directs our "GM" to scout them. we're hosed for years as long as the danny is king.

Posted by: dadanimal | April 15, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"cl, not at that price they weren't...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse "

Yes they were....Jets have already sold out their future for the present to a degree that one more move wouldn't matter....yet they have no QBS....but whateves F the jets.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"What's worse is if we get Sanchez, he has to start this season. We can't use a #1 pick for the guy to sit a year.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice"

And this is the main reason I still have hope that this is a smokescreen. You don't pay out $200 million in contracts and give out $70 million in guarantees for free agnets to be led by a rookie QB. Plain and simple, the odds are waaay too stacked against you if your banking on a rookie stepping in and playing like Matt Ryan. My concern is whether or not Snyder realizes it. After Campbell and Ramsey, I think he does.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Toler is one of those guys who should probably go around the 5th round but might sneak up simply based on some GM's fascination with his story (and maybe having an extra pick to burn). Almost happened to Brandon Carr from Grand Valley State last year, but he ended up going to KC in the fifth. It's a big jump from D1 to the pros, let alone from the lower levels.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

cL - Maybe because Wall Street is in NYC, the Jets seemed to actually have a ceiling on how far they would go.

NYC Media = DC Media = ESPN Media = PFT = You Get the Picture


(Talking Heads)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Samson not sure how one trade would preclude the other?

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The Jets think they have diamonds in the rough at QB, they don't. Had nothing to do with your fave punching bag the media or wall street 4th...

They are implementing the Ravens way...Run and defense....and a "just a guy" at QB....

UGH F the Jets!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

'...What's worse is if we get Sanchez, he has to start this season. We can't use a #1 pick for the guy to sit a year...'


That's why I don't get the alleged FO fasination with the guy.

And if they want Sanchez, then start him on day one.

Let's not have the dumb situation where a 1st round pick sits while Jason Campbell plays "pretend" starting quarterback-- I mean, what if Campbell plays well, what becomes of the pick wasted on Sanchez?

The whole scenario is dumb.

Hopefully, some other team will take the kid and put us out of our misery.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be nice to have 11 or 12 picks like some of the other teams in our division? Our O line is like swiss cheese. Our D line doesn't get sacks. With current personel just think how much better we could be if we protected our and sacked their QB.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

flounder: "Cutler is a whiner but he is also a good QB, thats a little different then drafting Sanchez."

Well, it's the difference between a known with a few warts, and a real unknown.

Setting the off-season aside, I would assess Cutler as more talented than Sanchez. Amend that: a lot more talented.

Still, talent's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to QBs, is it?

But my guess would be that the NFL's awful herd instinct has taken over and people are looking at Sanchez and seeing Ryan and at Josh Freeman and seeing Flacco.

Big mistake.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

'...More likely the Browns will trade Braylon Edwards, possibly to the Jints, for a first round pick or multiple lower round selections...'


If I'm a jints fan, I'm liking that scenario.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

if they draft sanchez let him sit a year and bring out colt i dont want sanchez but if we do get him then i hope they give colt a chance first then if colt plays well we trade away sanchez for a first next year??and end up with 2 first next year and fix all our o-line problems

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 15, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Trading draft picks to get any QB to put on this current team would be like spending an insane amount of money to put a chandelier in an outhouse. Develop the O-line into a mansion, and then you can go out and buy that chandelier.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

moe, BE is a good player no doubt, but I've heard that Cleveland wants a first, and something else...seems pretty steep to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

If we pick a QB and a CB with our first 2 picks...

...the idea is so dumb that can't even come up with a snarky comment to characterize it...

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

For Snyder drafting OL in firts round is like eating your veggies.....he knows he needs to but always takes the extra piece of fried chicken instead......

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You've all got it wrong. Snyder & Vinny are going to trade JC to the Jets for the rights to Favre. Then they're going to draft 2 more QBs to compete with Colt.

What's with you people any way? Haven't you realized that nobody ever won a fantasy game by picking linemen.

Seriously, you're all missing the real point. Teams win/lose games during the season, but fans buy season tickets during the offseason. Therefore, Snyder seems to be basing his entire ownership strategy on making a big splash every offseason, and for most casual fans, that means "skill" positions that have stats attached. I don't think he believes he can get ticket-holders to re-up by drafting on the lines. And as long as people keep validating this, he's unlikely to change.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 15, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"moe, BE is a good player no doubt, but I've heard that Cleveland wants a first, and something else...seems pretty steep to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse"

Why? The giants are already young, have a ton of picks, are close to winning it all and see the evidence about what a game changing reciever will mean to Eli and the team.

Not all situations are equal, trading high picks for known, young players can make sense, especially on nearly complete teams with an obvious hole.

I hope the giants are stingy and pass on Edwwards...b/c I want them to suck.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Here are the scenarios facing the Skins: 1.) If A. Smith's still there at 13, he's their pick. 2.) If Smith"s gone, they'll need to decide between Oher or one of the defensive guys. Don't know who stands out here - Cushing, Maualuga, Jackson, Ayers, etc. 3.) Now, here's where it gets interesting. If Sanchez is still on the board, the Skins need to make it "look" like they'll take him. He would be the only guy left at 13 that anyone would trade up for and, even at that, it appears only TB, Jets, or Denver (if they don't go QB at 12) would have an interest. So, it's either Smith, Oher, one of the defensive guys, or using Sanchez as leverage to trade down for more picks. Piece of cake, right?

P.S. Emphasizing here - make it "appear" you'll draft Sanchez, but DON"T really do it.

Posted by: bones21 | April 15, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Picking Sanchez makes no sense at all. I think this is a rumor being floated. Why would you essentially give up your whole season just to bring in a new QB. Also, the organization has been saying they are happy with how Colt Brennan is coming along. I know Danny is a star gazer, but give me a break, this would undermine his teams success for the next 2 years. Probably longer since he would probably replace Zorn after next year and bring in a new coach with ANOTHER new system to learn.

Posted by: VaBroker | April 15, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

CLINTON err.. Sheriff_gonna_getcha:

What's wrong with LAWRENCE SIDBURY JR. as the DE pick? And I like CORNELIUS LEWIS at #5 OG 6'4" 330 great footwork, teach him the rest.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I am very much in favor of drafting Sanchez and Toler- as long as they can play offensive tackle

Posted by: blindsnap | April 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

cl, I just don't think BE is worth a first, and what could be a third, or a second, thats all. Not to mention that BE is going to want a new contract if this trade happens.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I think the edwards trade is gonna happen....he is Plex Jr basically....and with that I have hit my weekly quota for discussing NYC football teams and will have to stop. If I dont my nutz will receive electric shocks per each comment.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 15, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

That weirdo Kiper has us taking Sanchez, the other dude McShay has us taking Robert Ayers. I am not sold on the OT's. I think some guys will be available later, so trading back would be good so we can fill more holes. I would like to get 1 starter out of this draft, after the 1st round starters are less of a sure thing.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

cl, what about Kellen Clemens, you don't think he's got what it takes??

Who is playing wideout for the jets, cl??

cl, who is gonna take the place of Bradshaw on the Giants Who is gonna take the place of Toomer??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

How hard is it for the 'Skins to trade down in the 1st rd and acquire a 2nd rounder? That way, they'd still have picks in the 1st 2 rounds. Picks that would land A-quality OL/DL. Why is it impossible for this Dan/Vinny to do the necessary thing?

Posted by: noel5150 | April 15, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

That Jackson kid out of LSU, he may really sure up our D line. With the possiblity of Wilson switching to LB and the new guy Thomas, maybe some CB depth later our Defense could be fun to watch.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How hard is it for the 'Skins to trade down in the 1st rd and acquire a 2nd rounder? That way, they'd still have picks in the 1st 2 rounds. Picks that would land A-quality OL/DL. Why is it impossible for this Dan/Vinny to do the necessary thing?

Posted by: noel5150 | April 15, 2009 11:31 AM |

How hard is it well lets see it would require another team wanting to trade up to 13.

You can not just say we are trading down and it magically happens.

So if they don't trade down it's because they got the player they wanted, or there were no takers to trade down with.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 15, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

These Sanchez rumors are all a figment of JLC's imagination based only on the fact that Sanchez has visited Redskins Park.

The Skins are yanking his chain to build trade value in the remote chance that he would slip by Denver at #12.

CB Toler could be the Skins 7th round pick or an undrafted FA signing. If they go RT in the first round, then they should pick a SLB in the 3rd round...

Posted by: siris | April 15, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The descriptions of player size is weird. I mean a 5'10" player is too small, but a 5'11" player has "decent size"?

Posted by: siris | April 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Then they're all figments of Kiper's imagination, too. Beep beep.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 15, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If we take Sanchez then a corner, I probably won't even bother watching this year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 15, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It's a whole lot easier to trade down if a player other teams are salivating over falls your draft position. That's why I think the Skins best chance to trade down will occur if and only if Sanchez is not selected by Denver (or another team trading up to #12). Otherwise, I hope they keep the pick and select a RT or SLB.

Posted by: siris | April 15, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Stafford says done deal with Lions-fanhouse

9ers, Broncos, Seahawks all could use a QB

Sorry Danny guess you'll just have to have a winner despite your attempts to ruin the team

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 15, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I can see it now, I'm sitting in front of my tv, on the edge of my couch, squeezing a pillow to death, as I watch them annonuce with the 10th pick in the 2009 NFL draft the San Fran...wait there has been a trade. With the 10th pick the Washington Redskins select Mark Sanchez QB University of Southern California... head between knees, make it go away! make it go away!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 15, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If they take Sanchez, I give up..are you freaking kidding me. This is the same old **** every year. Snyder falls in love with someone and either over pays them or trades away are future for them... he makes it hard to be a redskin fan.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If Danny-boy just has to have a QB, what's wrong with Oher or Cushing at 13 and Pat White in the 3rd round? Kid has a live arm, mobility, leadership ability, and could develop into a replacement if JC leaves after this year (which I would if I were him unless they gave him a piece of the franchise--no stability here and he's a classic game-manager QB that some run-first and play defense team could go a long way with.)

Only thing I like about Sanchez is that the way they describe his personality on the field is exactly the way people described Joe Montana at ND. Other than that, the kid is a heck of a lot more likely to be a bust than to get a bust [in Canton].

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | April 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Cindy -- all the NFL reporters are draft marketing thralls this time of year ;->

I suspect Kiper only picked up on Sanchez, because the Post articles reinforced the draftee visit...

Posted by: siris | April 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what Snyder, you go ahead and draft Sanchez, as soon as I get Madden 2010 I'm cutting his ass!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 15, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, you're all missing the real point. Teams win/lose games during the season, but fans buy season tickets during the offseason. Therefore, Snyder seems to be basing his entire ownership strategy on making a big splash every offseason, and for most casual fans, that means "skill" positions that have stats attached. I don't think he believes he can get ticket-holders to re-up by drafting on the lines. And as long as people keep validating this, he's unlikely to change.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 15, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting, groundhogdayguy. Snidely is a marketing guy. That really fits.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 15, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

Man, your wife is strict.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | April 15, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The only scenario that I would support us moving up would be to get DE Brian Orakpo. I'd rather stay put and pick the best RT or DE available.

Posted by: mburns134 | April 15, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

mburns134,

I like Orakpo or, if they trade up, Raji. Either pick would leverage the huge $$$$ they gave Haynesworth.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | April 15, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You all are assuming we know what we are doing....get real. This is the danny-boy and vinny show. You know... the cartoon network! We will continue to dangle in the wind and make terrible choices until they are BOTH out of the personnel business!

Posted by: 1of9000 | April 15, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Danny and Vinny apologist for a couple years now, but if we take Mark Sanchez, that will be it. It is so clear to fans like us what we need as a team, If there is no T, DE, or LB at 13 that we want then trade down. If no one trades down, then take the best player at T, DE, or LB. 3rd Rd. should be taking the other position we didn't get. I do agree though with the need for 1 corner

Posted by: Sebastian28 | April 15, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are you talking about Jason? Sanchez? AS much as Snyder sucks at being an arm chair GM there is no way he really tries to draft a QB in the first round.

Posted by: lavar609 | April 15, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I like Raji because you can move him to End on certain downs but I'd still rather pick up a traditional DE or RT, and maybe even a SLB before another DT.

Posted by: mburns134 | April 15, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

If they take sanchez they would be stupid and if they take a corner in the 3 round they would be idiots. Why not get a lineman on Offense or defense in the 1st and then a damn LB with the third round pick why does the skins have such an idiot front office

Posted by: Tom_square | April 15, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense. We need a good CB. We aren't going to get an OT or LB help until next year. If he pans out with his speed it would be a huge win for the Skins. Plus he is local.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Rebuilding year if Sanchez is selected. It would be best to have the worst record and high picks again.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Forget Raji and all of these other people in the third. They are gone. This is a solid pick because the guy has a great work ethic and has almost Darrel Green speed.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Kiper only picked up on Sanchez, because the Post articles reinforced the draftee visit...

Posted by: siris | April 15, 2009

Got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you dude. Its reasonable.

Check out Kiper's top 5 receivers in last year's 2008's draft. Note that all 3 receivers selected in the 2nd round last year are on the list. Including the oft injured Malcolm Kelly. Note also that none of the three visited Redskins Park before the draft.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh I get it Sanchez wink wink we are going to take Sanchez. The only way we don't take him is if someone gives us 2 or 3 good picks.

I would take OT then G/C then OLB then CB then ILB

I think Wynn Daniels Blades Thomas Wilson Jackson solidify our DE and SLB needs, thanks to he addition of Haynesworth. I think we also score an undraftee form Maryland again or maybe we get Toler

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 15, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"That's why I think the Skins best chance to trade down will occur if and only if Sanchez is not selected by Denver (or another team trading up to #12). Otherwise, I hope they keep the pick and select a RT or SLB.Posted by: siris"

I don't know why Denver wouldn't take Sanchez at 12 or Freeman at 18.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

noel5150: "How hard is it for the 'Skins to trade down in the 1st rd and acquire a 2nd rounder? That way, they'd still have picks in the 1st 2 rounds."

That can be a very difficult deal to do. You'd have to wait to see who's still there at 13, and then if the right player is waiting, have the deal already worked out with one of the few teams willing to part with a one and a two for him. Then you'd have to make the deal in less than 15 minutes.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

charlesday: "Only thing I like about Sanchez is that the way they describe his personality on the field is exactly the way people described Joe Montana at ND."

Montana went 82nd.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

hire ron wolf... NOW!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 15, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to the top needs, linemen? I am really getting sick of Synder's Redskins, and I have been a fan since the mid 60's.

Posted by: coastallp74 | April 15, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Our 1st and 3rd round picks need to be for an OL and a LB. Toler would be a great pickup in the 5th if he's still there.

They just need to be.

Posted by: mac2j | April 15, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to take Sanchez - why not just play Colt Brennan instead? They're both the same in terms of being a project.

Posted by: AsstGM | April 15, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I would hope the Redskins don't draft Mark Sanchez. I would like to see the Skins draft either Brian Cushing or Michael Oher. Skins need a player that can start playing day one or by mid season. The 3rd pick Edwin Williams (C/G) from Maryland. The next couple of draft picks are wait and see players three year from now.

Posted by: WashingtonEverythingFan | April 15, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

SAMSON

correction they would have to get the deal done in 10 mins not 15

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 15, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone bust on Smoot? For Pete's sake he was our #2 last year for half the season while Springs and Rogers were on the mend, even more remarkable considering starting in front of a rookie safety and behind a line that could sack my grandmother.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 15, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the NFL GM's are just as ready to jump at this as most of you are!! The NFL standard is to play up the guy you don't want but who is predicted to be in your pick territory and to play down the guy you truly want. The hope, of course, is to make the folks directly behind you trade up to take the decoy and therefore bump down the talent you want.
The sad thing is that if Sanchez falls to the 14th pick and becomes the next Brady, the same fools bashing Snyder here will be saying how he blew the draft and should have picked Sanchez!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | April 15, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If we draft Sanchez, I'll have lost my last shred of hope that Dan Snyder is not the stupidest football person on earth. What does he have against people who actually can protect the QB and or sack a QB?

Posted by: why9 | April 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I've got Greg Toller as a late second day pick. NO WAY IN ICY HELL we should take him as a third rounder.

Build the lines.

Build the lines.

Build the lines.

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Brady was drafted in the 6th round. We have a QB who needs to be given a real chance. How long did it take Zorn to make Hasselback into a pro bowl QB? At least 3 years. Skins have far greater needs... And if they picked Sanchez and were wrong (they'd probably move up in the draft and surrender more picks), they would not only not be able to address their holes now, but they wouldn't be able to address all the new holes that every team develops... 1st round QBs are a 50/50 proposition at best, and no one has compared Sanchez to guys like Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, or other 1st rounders who have done well. Don't do it, Dan. Be smart for once!

Posted by: why9 | April 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

IF this rumor is true, exactly just HOW WACK can one team be?! WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER QB; the one we have will do just fine! With no consistency in his OL's protection, and so much coaching turnover, how on earth can the 'Skins or any REAL fan even CONSIDER trading Campbell?

Unless we're talking about OL or DL players, we don't need to say a peep to the press. LB's, CB's, safeties and punters ALL should fall below our more pressing line needs! We could have Johnny Unitas and our passing game would STILL suck, because our QB wouldn't have any consistent protection!

If I were Campbell and the 'Skins let me go, I'd TORCH THEM every game thereafter...

WTF, Man!

Posted by: ntlekt | April 15, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Not even Sonny Jurgensen could play behind this line. The Redskins need O-linemen period. In the Gibbs years, the first draft choices by Bobby Beathard were Russ Grim and Mark May. That worked out just fine.

Posted by: chopin224 | April 15, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the NFL GM's are just as ready to jump at this as most of you are!! The NFL standard is to play up the guy you don't want but who is predicted to be in your pick territory and to play down the guy you truly want. The hope, of course, is to make the folks directly behind you trade up to take the decoy and therefore bump down the talent you want.
The sad thing is that if Sanchez falls to the 14th pick and becomes the next Brady, the same fools bashing Snyder here will be saying how he blew the draft and should have picked Sanchez!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61


AGREED NOW THAT'S REAL TALK!!!!!!

Posted by: dcskins08 | April 15, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

For crying out loud, is this guy Snyder just plain stupid, starstruck, on drugs or something? I don't care if your rec league, or the NFL ,you can't accomplish anything on the football field unless you have a LINE!! That goes for offense and defense!! Football 101!! Our O line, and D line need HELP bad!! Stop all of this infatuation with skill players! Sanchez, Campbell or the second coming of Johnny Unitas, Portis or Jim Brown, Jerry Rice or S.Moss, they can't accomplish nothing unless you have an O line that can run,and pass block. Right now from center to right tackle we have serious issues. We can't run to the right and during pass plays we've got consistent breakdowns over there. For god's sake devote this draft to OT, OG/C, OLB, and DE!! Is that too dam hard? Dan Snyder and V.Cerrato build a proffessional,competitive football team from the lines out!!! Stop making being a skins fan a miserable experience because that is what you have successfully done for years now!! ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 15, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

AGREES ALSO WITH 72Redskins real redskins fans are so tired with this crap just build a team the right way. We will never make it to the playoffs again or superbowl if this is the direction SYNDER is headed in for the draft just getting flashy names. We need consistency and good depth.

Posted by: dcskins08 | April 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Vinny,

Just say no to Sanchez. Campbell is fine for the time being. Think in the trenches stupid!

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 15, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I heard there will be a real good kicker on the board at 13. If so snyder transition to al davis will be complete ala janikowski. Oh wait davis at least brought them one title.

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed espn keeps showing the same two highlights of sanchez? They say hes good at reading defenses because on one play he throws to his wide open second reciever. Wow he must be brilliant to do that!! Dude doesn't look like he has much arm strenght and played on the best college program of the past few years. I think he will be a bust. Give JC one more year and if he and zorn can't get to the playoffs let the new coach pick a QB in the draft next year

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Recent conversation between King Dan and JC:

KD: Hey Jason, buddy ole pal. Sorry 'bout that stuff with Cutler. We really like you, but you know how it is.

JC: Well, thanks Mr. Snyder. I appreciate that. I was a little upset with the situation. I'm glad to have your confidence.

KD: (chuckling) That's right Jason, my man, my guy, my dude. I'm confident alright...(aside to Vinny)That we'll get a good rookie QB in the draft, hee hee.

JC: Huh? What was that?

KD: Oh nothing Jason, my friend, my starting QB. Oh, Jason? Don't read anything into this, but...umm...are your bags still packed?

Posted by: EKruse | April 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Well the Sanchez rumor is GREAT from the perspective that finally...maybe..... someone in DEADskins Park realizes that Campbell is a STIFF....who will NEVER...EVER.....QB a team in the nfl...into the playoffs......

Until that position is FIXXED....everything else is TERTIARY.....

Posted by: unc1dmo | April 15, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Man i thank some of you guys are crazy than the owner!
Offensive and Defensive line ONLY!

Posted by: shamken | April 15, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Here is my assessment of the situation.

People are ravving about this guy Culter, how many playoff games has he won/played in, answer: 0

First, I would say he is worse than JC, he has had a system built around him. Has a much better offensive line and receivers and plays in a "wussy" division, yet he doesnt get his team to the playoffs and everybody is going crazy about him, pleeeeease.

Second, sanchez is a "scrub". One year as a starting QB at USC and he deserves to be drafted in the first round.

You people are pathetic. JC plays behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL, has some of the worst receivers (exception Cooley, TE). Randle El, BUST. Two drafted rookies, BUST. Moss, can be taken out of the game easily.

Now lets look at the defense. 3rd and 15, teams are getting first downs. Last in sacks and couldn't put pressure on a Pop Warner team's QB.

To sum it up, new coach that game plans were figured out midway through the season and you folks want to blame it all on JC. Sad, sad, sad, sad.

Posted by: sputnee | April 16, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

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