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Griffin Restructuring Nearly Done

Jason Reid reports:

Just got off the phone with my partner in crime, Jason La Canfora, who told me the Redskins have almost completed the restructuring of Cornelius Griffin's contract, according to one of our league sources.

Jason has been reporting for weeks that the Skins would soon complete their annual restructuring of some contracts to help their cap situation, and Griffin joins Chris Samuels, Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El in receiving new deals.

The Skins, however, still do not have a lot of room under the cap, though they could create more space - perhaps as much as $10 million - before the free agent market opens on Friday. Would that enable them to make a big splash in free agency? Could they sign someone such as Albert Haynesworth? From everyone we've spoken with inside and outside of Redskins Park, we expect things to become clearer soon.

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  February 24, 2009; 6:44 PM ET
 
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First! Do people still do that?

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | February 24, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

From Rotoworld:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=139915

" Citing a "very well-connected league source," Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle reports that Albert Haynesworth will sign with the Redskins at the start of free agency unless the Titans swoop in late.
Zierlein, the son of Steelers OL coach Larry Zierlein, has a blog at Chron.com and does a radio show. His source says Haynesworth will get a deal totaling roughly $100 million that pays $15-16 million annually. Zierlein usually doesn't report anything, so this should be taken with a grain of salt. But the Redskins have been mentioned as the most likely destination elsewhere and are always willing to make a splash. It passes the smell test, even if the source is odd."

God help us all...


Posted by: mws28 | February 24, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Good...another expensive, past his prime veteran stuck on the books a few more years. Great!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh yea, and please, please, PLEASE don't sign Dana Stub...I mean Haynesworth

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | February 24, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

He's 27 years old, and the most dominant player in the league at his position, if not the most dominant player in the league, period. When Haynesworth is on the field he's going to occupy at least two blockers in the middle of the line, pretty much eliminating the possibility of the opposition running the ball between the tackles.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 3:33 PM

Great...so teams will run off-tackle against the tall, skinny DEs like they did last year. Three cheers for Danny!

I've said it here before and I'll say it again: signing Haynesworth is signing Dana Stubblefield 2.0--and if you recall, Stubby had 15 sacks and won Defensive Player of the Year before he signed here! The only thing to like about this signing is the possibility that Andre Gurode's head gets cleat marks on it again twice a year...but then again who knows if Haynesworth can play once he gets up to 400 pounds heading into training camp!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Ugh just say no to Haynesworth! Why can't we just stick to a plan of targeting 2nd tier free agents and the draft?? This guy is going to be a big waste of money.

Posted by: RedskinsWarpath | February 24, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

fff...first? moi?

Posted by: mdrockjock | February 24, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest. Haynesworth is the best in the league at his position and dominant. I don't know why you don't take a look at him. He'll cost you, but it could be worth it. I would like this deal if they promise to draft 3 OL and a LB and I'm all in!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

i want to know why the skins want to pay paople unitl they are in their mid 40's

Posted by: mudman220 | February 24, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and here's Reason #286 to pass on Haynesworth: dude has only started all 16 games once...and that was his rookie year when he only started 3 games. No thank you!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The issue with Haynesworth isn't what he can be.

The issue with Haynesworth is what he will be PLUS the impact that will have on the rest of the team.


Part 1: What can be.

Haynesworth is a game changing DT and the NFC East is a division where having a game changing DT is a huge deal. A Skins defense with a line of Taylor, Haynesworth, Griffin and Evans -- with Carter and Golston as the key rotation guys -- would be among the best in football. Couple that with a stud LB in Fletcher and a secondary thats been solid and this defense has a potential to become an elite defense.

IF ....

Part 2: What will be.

Haynesworth can obviously wreak havoc in the middle of the line. There's no question he'll wreak havoc on the salary cap. The ability for the Skins to upgrade at other positions of need will be greatly diminished, especially along the OL and LB. Jason Campbell's contract may be the biggest issue, as he deserves serious money.

The other part of Haynesworth is what will he'll bring on the field. We know his upside. We also know he's never made it thru a season healthy. Last year's DL had plenty of health issues: Taylor, Griffin, Philip Daniels and Lorenzo Alexander among them. And there is always the concern over SPS, which has been alluded to by lots of people.

Bottom line is that Haynesworth is a major risk in too many respects for me to get behind the deal.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton just reported there will be many teams (not just the Skins) going after Haynesworth...in particular the Buccaneers and maybe even the Lions. Clayton also said that the Titans are also doing their best to keep him but that Haynesworth WILL get major $$$ from some team.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain the deal with the uncapped year? is it just for the 2010 season and what will happen for the next year if we were t sign some big contracts?

Posted by: amsaul | February 24, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question that i hope someone can help me out with...

why is a blog named redskins insider always quoting leauge sources???

and didn't this very same blog inform it's readers about 2-3 weeks ago that the team with witch they have inside info on tell us that the skins weren't going to be players in free agency this year??

Posted by: jumbo5383 | February 24, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton just reported there will be many teams (not just the Skins) going after Haynesworth...in particular the Buccaneers and maybe even the Lions. Clayton also said that the Titans are also doing their best to keep him but that Haynesworth WILL get major $$$ from some team.

Posted by: Lisa_R |


Hopefully this is what I hope it could be...that the Skins/Snyder is being used to drive up Haynesworth's asking price.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

everybody chill out, we are not signing Haynesworth. Everybody knows that if you want to drive up your signing price you say that you are about to sign with the redskins to drive up your price.


this is a PR move by haynseworth's agent

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 24, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Who would you prefer Haynesworth or Hall? I think that is what it will come down to. If they cant resign Hall, they will definetly make a play at Haynesworth.

Posted by: Redskins001 | February 24, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Now can we get back to the serious business of what to do about the Pittsburgh attack on Chirs Cooly and his brother.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Here is what I would do. Sign Mark Tauscher, Angelo Crowell, and Chris Canty. Resign Hall. Cut Springs and trade down in the draft and take Britton and pick up a second round pick and take the best player available. Possibly a speed back.

Posted by: Redskins001 | February 24, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain the deal with the uncapped year? is it just for the 2010 season and what will happen for the next year if we were t sign some big contracts?

Posted by: amsaul | February 24, 2009 7:37 PM =============================================
I'm happy to help!

The deal is, nobody knows yet. It's a wild card.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Good...another expensive, past his prime veteran stuck on the books a few more years. Great!

Posted by: brownwood26


I"m going to guess that you don't watch much of the NFL.

"past his prime" - yeah right.

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that the Skins would restructure Griffin's contract -- that would imply they plan to keep him next year.

You have to assume they will tender both Golston and Montgomery (although it may be difficult to keep both if they receive offers from other teams).

So now I'm thinking Montgomery could be the odd man out WHEN the Skins Haynesworth...

A DL with Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, and Canty would be an upgrade!

Posted by: siris | February 24, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

A DL with Talent_Evaluator, Haynesworth, TheTruth11, P Ditty and The Pope would be an upgrade, and younger too.

Not knocking our guys more Haynesworth is that good.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

>Posted by: siris
>It's interesting that the Skins would >restructure Griffin's contract -- that >would imply they plan to keep him next year.


Actually i think this implies that we will be keeping him for 2 more seasons

Posted by: offbyone | February 24, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I think teh Pope commits too many penalties.

I say that as a Gonzaga College H.S. graduate, btw.

(Hell. How bad can it be?)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse


can someone explain the deal with the uncapped year? is it just for the 2010 season and what will happen for the next year if we were t sign some big contracts?

Posted by: amsaul | February 24, 2009 7:37 PM

There is no salary cap -- teams can spend as much money as they please on player salaries and release players -- with no penalties.

The "problem" is the NFL may be less competitive, because teams that have a lot of money to spend on players will accumulate better talent (e.g. MLB Yankees) and theoretically always be winners.

If the owners allow an uncapped year to occur, then the players union has previously stated they would never agree to institute another salary cap....

Posted by: siris | February 24, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny knows if 2009 doesn't work, he's out of a job. So he needs to win in 2009. Haynesworth makes sense and pushing the cap limits makes sense if you're only goal is 2009.

Zorn also knows his job is on the line.

I'm guessing both Zorn and Vinny have seen Danny drool over who he plans to hire for 2010. Cowher, Shanahan, Dungy, Gruden, Holmgren ... all guys with rings. No doubt there will be a few hot assistants then, too.

Win now and forget about the long term. Wait, haven't I seen this movie?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Redshirt Thomas and Kelly; Sign a real pro, albeit now slow footed Harrison; forget Haynesworth, he doesn't crush peeps he just steps on their heads. And help the LB corp by picking up Bart Scott.

Posted by: myskinsr1 | February 24, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I think teh Pope commits too many penalties.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 8:36 PM

Pope is incapable of commiting a penalty. He`s infallible. Only dude who could call a penalty on him never shows up on game days, anyway.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

+++I've said it here before and I'll say it again: signing Haynesworth is signing Dana Stubblefield 2.0--and if you recall, Stubby had 15 sacks and won Defensive Player of the Year before he signed here! The only thing to like about this signing is the possibility that Andre Gurode's head gets cleat marks on it again twice a year...but then again who knows if Haynesworth can play once he gets up to 400 pounds heading into training camp!

Posted by: brownwood26 +++

Heckuva post, Brownie.

I hear this deal is so close to getting done, they've already selected a tentative date for Haynesworth to pull his Hamstring.

Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

New Math:

restructuring + redskins= same 'ol same 'ol

cap money spent on old players x Griff+Jansen+Thomas+Samuels= sal cap hell

wasted draft picks-dumb trades= aging team

inaccurate quarterback

Seems like no matter how you change the problems, the answers are always the same two numbers and conclusions: 8-8, low scoring offense, no playoffs, new/same old plan in 2010.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse


If you want to know what will happen the first day in FA regarding the Redskins, might want to try to fly follow Redskin One.

Of course, knowing Snyder, he's probably trying to get a $100 million, eight year deal with Sully Sullenberger.

Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know what will happen the first day in FA regarding the Redskins, might want to try to fly follow Redskin One.

Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 8:57 PM

Redskins One is just a decoy for the chumps at the Post. Its going to New Orleans, giving Jasno hopes of a deal for Leigh Torrence. Real players will be flying in on Redskins Two, Three, and Four.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need O-line and DE help, not interior D-line help.

So signing Haynesworth makes no sense at all, unless the argument is that Albert's presence will somehow free up one of the ends to get better pressure on the QB.

But that's a stretch.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I just wonder what it would take for a lot of people on here to think it was a good free agent deal? How young and how good? Haynesworth is one of the tops out there and young enough. A lot of whining about over 30ers, then a rumor about a 27 year old and more whining from the same people. Bruce Smith, Neon, and Taylor were and are all on the downside of careers. Arch and Blowyd sucked, but they weren't much before they got here anyway. There were some others in there but to cry about going after Haynesworth is too much. Yes he'll cost out the a$$ but you have to pay for talent today. I know, lets just go get a bunch no name young guys that don't cost sh!t and guess what? We'll suck again. At least our owner spends some money and tries to get talent, he and Vinny just suck at picking it. All you guys that say Haynesworth is a bust are phuking stupid. He's been around long enough to judge his talent level.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Notes from an extinct species of person:

'...If you want to know what will happen the first day in FA...'

I hope nothing happens in free agency for the Washington Redskins--unless it's related to acquiring some cheap, diamond in the rough right tackle/right guard type who's ready to start on day one.

Folks want Haynesworth/Canty, Moe wants back to back 32-21 wins with a 300-400 yard, two-three passing touchdowns day mixed in with a 100 yard rushing effort.

The ability to stop offenses is already apart of what the redskins team does. The ability to repeatedly come back or score often in a comeback game or blowout is not.

Moe is presently on record for stating that unlike his salivating blogging brethern, he's wants money spent on offensive line improvement as he feels the skins have plenty 'o young guys on D who should be given time on the field.

Indeed, those of us who want to see the Redskins as a scoring team are going extinct.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The biggest question appears to be whether JT55 will be cut or not.

When does his salary become fully gaureenteed? The 1st day of the league year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, those of us who want to see the Redskins as a scoring team are going extinct.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 9:14 PM
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Points? You want points?

You'll get points when Danny thinks you're worthy.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

thunder

Like me, you're not into doing anything constructive--why else would I be blogging when a document I need to edit and sell sits across the room on a lap top unread?

So I beseech you to remind the folks on the "Redskins Win the NFL Offseason Championship--Again" bandwagon that the same decision-making process they hated on when J Taylor was brought to DC is apart of the "Let's hope Haynesworth/Canty becomes a Redskin player" ideology that has the team in a hole.

Anyone who watched the skins go from 6-2 to 2-6 knows the team can't score or pass well.

So why the beefing about defensive players?

Explain that point to them, will ya'?

I have to go now.

President Obama is on television.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth would be a huge BUST!!! He had 8.5 sacks last year and played with a very good defense. OVERRATED!!! SAME GUY WHO STOMPED ON A PLAYER. NOT TOO LONG AGO, PEOPLE WERE QUESTIONING WHETHER HE SHOULD EVEN PLAY IN THE LEAGUE. WHAT A MISTAKE IF WE SIGN THIS IDIOT.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | February 24, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Good...another expensive, past his prime veteran stuck on the books a few more years. Great!

Posted by: brownwood26


I"m going to guess that you don't watch much of the NFL.

"past his prime" - yeah right

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey IHateJLC, I believe the person was referring to Griffin (not Haynesworth) when making that comment. If so, they are exactly right. Griffin has not been worth a crap the last two seasons and should be released.

As for Haynesworth...three letters scare me about signing this guy. ACL...why put all your eggs in one basket? One freak accident, this guy goes down, who steps in? We have more issues than just the DL. We need DEPTH. One guy isn't going to get it done.

And as for the post someone else made earlier regarding Campbell deserving "serious money"...that's a joke. If the FO believed in that guy, he'd have a deal already. Even Sonny thinks the guy doesn't have it.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | February 24, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to go now.

President Obama is on television.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 9:34 PM

He's been on for the past 20 mins. He is saying the same stuff he's been spitting the last 2 weeks.

Wake me up when he talks about Afganistan and if he's gonna send my stepbrother over there........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I like him but so far, he's the president of promises. we'll see.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

i agree that haynesworth could be stubblefield redux.

i'd love to see how cantreporta would spin it if he signed and was a beast. my guess is it would be like this...

ahhhhhhhhhhh.....i had a stomach ailment when i reported that haynesorth would be a bust ahhhhhh.....opps we're having a computer snafu......ahhhh i gotta sell my house.....ahhhhh.......

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 24, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Promises is too strong. Because if he breaks them, well, you know.

That's why the key word is 'hope'......

Like I hope we sign Haynesworth and draft Aaron Curry. I also hope Danny has learned. I hope we win the SuperBowl every year.

See you can hope for alot of stuff and if it doesen't happen, eh, oh well......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I can hope that Preznit Bush would be a uniter, and not a divider, but it's bit late for that.

4th, have you ever thought that maybe if the 1st AWOL Cokehead hadn't lied us into Iraq, we wouldn't be worried about needing to send a lot more folks into Afghanistan?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

can someone explain the deal with the uncapped year? is it just for the 2010 season and what will happen for the next year if we were t sign some big contracts?

Posted by: amsaul | February 24, 2009 7:37 PM

I can explain it. The "deal" is that it will never happen, and the donkeys who come on this blog and fantasize about the Skins dumping their stretched-out contracts in an "uncapped" year have a better chance of scoring a date with Beyonce than seeing this team unburden all of its "albatross" contracts (re:Randle El, Carter, Griffin, Samuels) in an uncapped year.

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

ITTDGYa - Yes, but I do that less and less as time passes.

I think to more of where we are at now and where we are going forward since that is all that matters and history can't be changed....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I think to more of where we are at now and where we are going forward since that is all that matters and history can't be changed....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 10:08 PM
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State of the Union = State of the Redskins?

That's too depressing. I'm going to bed.

May tomorrow be a better day!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Wait. He brisked over the war part.

Wow.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Per PFT:

SPECK SAYS HAYNESWORTH HAS NO DEAL WITH REDSKINS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 24, 2009, 9:52 p.m.
The Tuesday blurb from Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle regarding the looming deal between the Redskins and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has created a fairly large stir.

How large of a stir? According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, agent Chad Speck has fielded more than 30 e-mails and phone calls from members of the media regarding the question of whether Haynesworth and the Redskins will be doing business.

So Speck has opted to issue a public declaration in response to the rumors: “Albert is not allowed to have a deal with another team, and he doesn’t have a deal with another team. We continue to keep the lines of communication open with Tennessee. The rumors suggesting that a deal is in place between Albert and the Washington Redskins are completely false.”

Actually, everything Speck says is completely accurate. But Speck adroitly avoids the question of whether he has had discussions with the Redskins about a deal for Haynesworth.

No deal is in place with the Redskins because no deal can be in place until midnight on Friday. As of 12:01 a.m. on Friday, however, Haynesworth and the Redskins can strike a deal.

And Zierlein’s report wasn’t that a deal is in place. Instead, Zierlein is reporting that a deal will be done.

That said, there’s a chance that the act of shining a light on the situation could now keep the ‘Skins from closing it. Or, alternatively, another team could decide to outbid the Redskins, just as the Browns did three years ago when center LeCharles Bentley supposedly had a wink-nod-fart deal in place with the Eagles.

Bottom line? In our view, Speck’s statement is less significant for what it says than for what it doesn’t.

And if Speck can truthfully say that he has had no advance discussions with the Redskins about the parameters for a contract with Haynesworth, Speck should say so, unequivocally.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not good at sarcasim, but I think you know who I was talking about (Bush).......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I just wonder what it would take for a lot of people on here to think it was a good free agent deal?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's what it will take: the FO signing hard-working team-oriented guys who don't need an extra $10mill b/c of their names. And don't keep buying into the busted philosophy that paying someone $25mill guaranteed up front for having done nothing for your team is the way to motivate someone.

What the heck is Jason Taylor still doing on this team? Why does a guy like Demtric Evans walk without even an offer? Can a $100 million tackle possibly live up to his contract? This guy would need to give us 15 sacks a year to justify $15-16 million a year for 7-8 years.

If the FO really wants to get me to stop whining, THEY CAN ASSEMBLE A TRULY COMPETITIVE TEAM EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE INSTEAD OF SOME PRETENDER THAT BACKS IT'S WAY INTO THE PLAYOFFS WITH 9 WINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Great..I guess Springs is next to be restructured. Then maybe, Gibbs will come back and have his old contract restructured along with Norv Turner and Marty. This is ridiculous, cut em and move on.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 24, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Friday Feb. 27th @ 11:59 PM,,,,,,

Whats that in the sky? It's a bird, no
its' just Redskins one plane flying around with jackass #1 Danny no brain Synder, and his imp Vinny the Jackass # 2. Stupid ##!!**!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | February 24, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe-

We want offensive fire power. But we realize that teams like the Giants and Cowboys with strong rush ends and tough inside D-linemen, have had success because the defense (1) Causes turn overs with an active pass rush, putting the offense on a short field or better yet, spotting them points (see Ravens) (2) does not allow opposing teams to suck down 10, 12, 14 minutes of the fourth quarter with multiple 50 and 70 yard 10 play feild goal drives....Young Campbell can't lead the comeback against the Ravens, Steelers, Cowboys, Rams, or Giants, if he can't get the ball because the D is allowing another long 4th quarter drive.

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 24, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"This guy would need to give us 15 sacks a year to justify $15-16 million a year for 7-8 years."

Posted by: p1funk

Would he? There are people here that suggested signing Chris Canty for $8 million per year. Canty, as a DE (a much more pass-rush-oriented position) has a career high of 3.5 sacks in a single season. The argument was that he was a run-stopper, which apparently this team needs. From a DT position, Haynesworth is more than twice the pass-rusher that Canty is, and is a much, much better run-stuffer (mostly due to overall skills, partly due to the nature of the position).

Now, would the Canty signing incite as much anger as Haynesworth? Because on a production per dollar basis, Canty is far worse.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't be fooled Pfunk, the FO doesn't give a damn if you stop whining or not. I'm just speaking about people on here that b!tch about any move that is made. Haynesworth has a ton of upside and if he gets 6 sacks, helps keep our run numbers low, collapses the pocket and helps get JT or AC 10+ sacks a season then he's worth it. Having said that, he WILL be VERY expensive. People call him a bust after he's been in the league for a number of years and performed well. All I'm really making a comment on is that you can't please some people no matter what you do. I also made mention of Snyderatto's ineptitude at getting the right people in the right spots.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Cork.... Are you related to Freddy Cork??? Haynesworth= Archaleta!!!!

Posted by: MeatShalom | February 24, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Why sign Canty or Haynesowrth?

Why not just sign Orakpo on draft day for a lot less than Canty ($8 million per year) or Haynesworth ($15- $16 million a year).

Defense isn't the biggest problem for this team; they finished ranked 4th in the league in D, and if the offense wasn't so anemic that at times it seemed it was on life support, the D might have finished ranked 2nd or 3rd.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Every - and I've listened to all of them - sports analyst is saying that Haynesworth is the ONE free agent that teams should be salivating over - and they all agree that he will make a big (no pun intended) difference for the team that signs him - in a good way.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from political posts, they have no place here.

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

i'd love to see how cantreporta would spin it if he signed and was a beast. my guess is it would be like this...

ahhhhhhhhhhh.....i had a stomach ailment when i reported that haynesorth would be a bust ahhhhhh.....opps we're having a computer snafu......ahhhh i gotta sell my house.....ahhhhh.......

Posted by: drewkinnear


hilarious....and probably close to the truth!

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I can explain it. The "deal" is that it will never happen, and the donkeys who come on this blog and fantasize about the Skins dumping their stretched-out contracts in an "uncapped" year have a better chance of scoring a date with Beyonce than seeing this team unburden all of its "albatross" contracts (re:Randle El, Carter, Griffin, Samuels) in an uncapped year.

Posted by: p1funk |


not so fast my friend. 2010 is fast approaching and the NFLPA doesn't have a president. I doubt they will want to give back part of their share of the pie either.

And if the NFL loses the Cap it will never come back.

The only thing I know about 2010 is that players can only become UFA when their contracts are up if they have 6 years in the league (I believe).

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I personally don't want the signing because I don't think that much money should be tied up in any player short of a 1st-ballot HOF QB in his prime, but I find the comparisons of Albert Haynesworth to Dana Stubblefield in the same vein as Periculum's assertion that the Redskins should draft a college RB to convert to WR (like they did with Bobby Mitchell). Just because something happened once or twice in the past doesn't make it likely, or even probable, that it will happen again.

Haynesworth is not a worse player because he got better over the last two years and showed it on the field. Dude can play. Whether he's worth that much money is another question, but this guy is NOT a bust.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from political posts, they have no place here.

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 10:56 PM

If political commentating didn't run through here once in a while, then this would be a Dallas Cowboys blog, not a Washington Redskins blog.

That's like me telling you that 'hate'ing is not allowed on the blog........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Not anti-Haynesworth in all cases. But I think he's too risky for this team. We have little cap room, so one big deal compromises our ability to do other things, like addressing the OL effectively.

Haynesworth has several additional risks. Risk of SPS, risk of injury and a variety of risks associated with his behavior

My bottom line is based on risk vs reward. Haynesworth does have an amazing upside, but if mgmt fairly evaluates the risks, they should pass.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

So now Jasno is too busy to call into the sports editor himself, he has to call his errand boy and have him call it in?

Posted by: PatM1 | February 24, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

And as for the post someone else made earlier regarding Campbell deserving "serious money"...that's a joke. If the FO believed in that guy, he'd have a deal already. Even Sonny thinks the guy doesn't have it.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1

I'm standing up for Campbell. He's a starting quality QB in this league and that is serious $$. With a decent OL, he went half a season without an INT. The Skins went 6-2 and only a fluke lose to StL (after Campbell had put them ahead late in the game) kept them from 7-1. He brought the team back several times in the 4th quarter. He had several TDs taken away by the refs.

In the 2nd half, we all know what happened. The OL simply fell off a cliff, Santana tweaked his hammy, none of the young WRs did anything, Zorn's play calling left much to be desired and the schedule included several top defenses.

Campbell isn't one of those QBs who can win 'by himself', like a Favre or P Manning. He's somewhere in just outside of the top 10 QBs. Still, that kind of QB gets paid in this league. A lot

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I know it's the way of the league now, but I freakin' hate this annual cap shuffle via restructuring.. especially when it's done with dudes like Griff and Randle El and Carter, who I'd just as soon see hit the road.

It's like, "Hey, fans, check it out! That dude who's been overpaid and underachieving the past few years, his contract makes him too expensive to cut, so we just gave him a wad of cash and stretched out those cap hits over more seasons... and we're not doing this because we love him as a player, but because we're desperate to create a tiny bit of cap room for the coming season! Isn't that great!"

Yes, it's freakin' great.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 24, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I think signing Haynesworth is a great deal if most of his contract can be paid in the antisipated uncapped 2010. With Griffin reworking his contract, he should have a great year because he won't be double teamed like he is now and should have a big year. Our DE's will now have a smaller pocket to deal with and they will be productive too. This one signing should make the Skins a force on defense.

Posted by: Dkessler1 | February 25, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I DONT GET IT! Is it not enough that we've spent the last 8 years crippled by the dead money reminents of several contracts. This doesn't even have the appeal of a must-have position player like QB, middle linebacker, left tackle. In addition, we are deciding that an obese athlete with a history of injury is worth both paying an extremely high annual salary over the coarse of 6 years. This is not only an issue of putting too many eggs in one basket and neglecting other needs. There is no debate that Haynesworth is an elite player in his prime, but the downside of this signing is HUGE and in its event, long lasting.

I just can't disagree with this enough.

Posted by: TheGreat8 | February 25, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Skins RDT:

Golston, Montgomery

or

Haynesworth, Golston/Montgomery

Posted by: siris | February 25, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Love how this place goes crazy when there is a rumor of something happening. AH may be signed. He may not be signed. Regardless, we will cry when we lose and point fingers and I told you so(s)...and be ecstatic when we win. But never satisfied...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 25, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth would continue one trend, that is the movement away from the Gibbs 'character' approach.

Gibbs didn't have all 'character' guys, but he could keep players (like Portis) from getting out of control because everyone knew Gibbs was the guy who brought home 3 Lombardi's and had his bust in Canton.

Zorn doesn't have the resume, or the tact for that matter, of his predecessor. So some character issues came up last year that wouldn't have surfaced under Gibbs.

The Skins also added Hall, a character question mark at the time of his signing. While Hall has (to the best of my knowledge) been fine, the idea that the Skins would take a chance on a character risk was a step away from Gibbs 2.0.

Signing Haynesworth would obviously be a major step towards 'show me the money' players.

Even with Haynesworth, the Skins would still retain a lot of character players. But the writing would be clear.

Character is no longer an issue.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Alot of folks around here have chugged the Snyder-potion.

With free agency fast approaching folks we've convinced ourselves that $100 mill to Albert Hayneworth is a good idea and that JT is gonna get 10 sacks next year.

Amazing.

Well, you guys are free to stand on the tarmac and gas up Redskins 1.

As for me, I'm remembering our 4th ranked defense from this past year - WITHOUT a $100 million man and JT on the sideline for most of it - and still trying to figure out why tying up $24mill on 2 defensive players next year is such a great idea.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Will they sign Albert Haynesworth? We'll all find out soon enough.

Arguments to favor either side, as usual. Among the pluses, this guy was the best DT in football last season. Nearly took his team all the way.

And among the negatives: a record of inconsistent performances. He's a comeback type -- off his game one season, on it the next. And it just might be those 'on' seasons correlate with contract years.

Happens a lot. It's a gamble, and the Snyder regime is known for gambling.

More for gambling, in fact, than winning.

Maybe this one, if it comes to pass, will pay off.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2009 3:47 AM | Report abuse

By the way, this is probably why it's a good idea for some players to skip the Combine.

From SI.com this morning:
"Malcolm Jenkins/CB/Ohio State: Entering the combine scouts questioned Jenkins' speed and his ability to run downfield with elite receivers. His combine workout left scouts with a negative impression and even more questions. Jenkins' times were poor, as first reported by SI.com this morning. His initial 40 was as slow as 4.59 seconds on some watches, though he improved slightly on his second run. He looked terrific in position work but the slow times now hang around his neck like an albatross. Some teams will take Jenkins' name off their cornerback board and put it on the safety list. His combine performance does not mean Jenkins won't be a quality player at the next level as either a cornerback or safety. It does mean he's no longer considered an elite player in the 2009 NFL Draft and will drop at least a half dozen slots come April."

You might fail to notice the part where they talk about how great he looked in the drills that actually reflect his position. All they can see is that 40 time. They're picturing Randy Moss running right by him, all the way down the field.

And this goes on even while Beilichick is telling reporters that we have to start thinking of safeties more in the way we think about cornerbacks. Jenkins could play either position.

Maybe we'll eventually go straight to having players submit their YouTube clips, the photoshopped ones. Be about as valuable.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2009 4:12 AM | Report abuse

I think Albert Haynesworth is this year's Lance Briggs or Chad Johnson - not going to happen rumor.

That being said, our #4 defense is soooo last year.

That defense left alone wouldn't be #14 and still have no pass rush.

Last year's d-line:
Evans/Taylor, Griffin, Montgomery/Golston, and Carter.

Evans, Golston and Montgomery don't have contracts with the skins.

Last year's linebackers:
Washington/Blades, Fletcher, McIntosh

Washington who was a force in skins WINS and m.i.a in their losses is gone. Blades can't play there the entire year.

Last year's cornerbacks:
Springs, Rogers, Smoot and Hall (after the 6-2 start mind you)/Torrence - before the slide - although the big goat in the Ram loss.

Who's back; who knows but Smoot can't replace Springs. Turning 30 this April, he looks just as old and just as brittle.

Safties

Landry and Horton - look good.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 25, 2009 4:19 AM | Report abuse

I really enjoy other Skin fans imput. There good reading. I know we have to have some talent to work with, but, I still think coaching is 75 percent in football. Coaches motive players to play over there talents. We need speed, not age. Build your system to the strength of your players. Not a System you Want. Forget Fantasy Football. Were not going anywhere until start building for the future. Go Skins.. Right now were spinning our wheels.... Sorry, I don't see a Superbowl in the near future. I'll stand pat, we need a GM! Amen!

Posted by: eztiger44 | February 25, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Etzinger, I agree with part of your statement, we need speed not age. I don't agree with the tailor your plan to your players theory. Players change every year. So if you change your players every year you have to change your system every year. You build a system and then go after the guiys to run it. That's all college football does and the successful football nteams do it too. Look at the Pats, the Giants, and The Steelers. Especially the Pats and the Giants. Those two coaches have an iron clad system and plug in players to run it. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I hope that jason Campbell is cut prior to the preseason. We need to start in a new direction at the QB position. This team has had NO passing game, since Jason Campbell has been a starter. The man is a loser who cannot throw TDs.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Um...one why would we want another player who is just gonna get older and more injury prone, and who as a history of problems in the locker room. I turned in my season tickets, Danny and Vinny have to go!!!! The front office is terrible.

Posted by: seancav9 | February 25, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

JUST ANSWER THIS..

What is stopping us from being like the Pats and the Steelers who are in the hunt every year, always being competitive?

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM |


That is easy...

JASON CAMPBELL!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

TAYLOR OUT IF HAYNESWORTH IN?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2009, 7:29 a.m. EST
Eyebrows were mildly raised recently when agent Gary Wichard said that the Redskins will bring back defensive end Jason Taylor for a second season, even though he carries a base salary of $8 million.

Since the Redskins are on the hook for none of the past bonus payments Taylor received from the Dolphins, the ‘Skins would realize a cap savings of $8 million if they let Taylor go.

Despite Wichard’s proclamation, the folks at Sporting New Today have floated an intriguing theory in response to reports that the Redskins will target Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth in free agency: If the ‘Skins are going to make a play for Haynesworth, will they cut Taylor?

Our guess (and it’s just a guess) is that Taylor is going nowhere. Here’s why.

First, Wichard and Redskins executive V.P. Vinny Cerrato are very good friends. If Taylor wasn’t coming back, Cerrato would make sure that Wichard knew about it.

Second, the Redskins still need to justify that 2009 second-round pick they gave up for Taylor. Imagine the criticism the team would absorb if they were to release Taylor even before the first-day draft choice they surrendered to get him was even used.

Third, if the Redskins had any misgivings about carrying an $8 million cap number for Taylor, they would have restructured his contract. Though the devices available in past seasons require a little more elbow grease since it’s the last capped year under the CBA, the Redskins could have come up with a way to reduce Taylor’s cap number by extending his contract into future seasons.

But none of this means that the Redskins won’t pursue Haynesworth. The ‘Skins probably would like to have both of them, which is a scary proposition for the rest of the NFC East.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Yawn...guzu, you're as predictable as corky, and about as boring as well.

Wake me up when something actually happens...not this rumor garbage.

PFT is reporting that I'm going to work on spreadsheets most of the day, and then drive home, eat dinner, play with the kids, and then go to bed......how bout them apples...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

did I break this thing??

Anyone sick of winter yet?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Did not see (did not scroll to look) if the agent for Big Al's presser quote was up here.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/24/agent-no-deal-between-haynesworth-redskins/

Posted by: alex35332 | February 25, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Flound - That's pretty much what I have been saying for the past 2 days. I had asked this question earlier but no one replied as to when JT55's salary become fully gaureenteed? I thought it would on the 1st day of the new league year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, Greg, if that is actually what you are going to do today, then wouldn't it be logical to assume if they can get that right, they can get the football stuff right, too?

The chummy nature of the relationship between Taylor's agent and Vinny is worrisome. I mean, I know you need to be cordial with agents in order to get deals done, but the stuff I've read about these two makes it sound like they are bffs. What with the skimming issues going on with the Nats, I can't help but see the possibility for impropriety in this relationship. Though, I can't say I know how an agent is paid--if he gets his percentage at the time of the deal signing, then yearly salary wouldn't get him paid. If, however, he gets his percentage yearly, seems that this tight relationship could pose a problem. Vinny makes sure his boy gets paid, etc.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | February 25, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"The ‘Skins probably would like to have both of them, which is a scary proposition for the rest of the NFC East.

Posted by: Flounder21"

Gotta agree with Florio there. A front 4 of Carter - Griffin - Haynewsorth - Taylor would be scary to see, if only for one year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I believe that would be the case but not 100% sure.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Yawn...guzu, you're as predictable as corky, and about as boring as well.

Wake me up when something actually happens...not this rumor garbage.

PFT is reporting that I'm going to work on spreadsheets most of the day, and then drive home, eat dinner, play with the kids, and then go to bed......how bout them apples...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 8:12 AM

I am having lunch with a member of the redskins front office today, and one of our main topics will be how to best remove Jason Campbell from the organization.

A trade is less likely, since he has proven an inability to throw TDs. When last I spoke with my source, the best we could get was a 7th round pick...hardly worth it.

A cut is most likely the only way to deal with this issue. I wish him well, although we all know he can't play well.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"I thought it would on the 1st day of the new league year....

Posted by: 4thFloor"

If he's on the 53-man roster that gets submitted at week 1 of the NFL season.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with Florio there. A front 4 of Carter - Griffin - Haynewsorth - Taylor would be scary to see, if only for one year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 8:36 AM |

It will also be scary to see the new cap hit for Griff. that will be huge since he maybe has 2 years left.

The redskins better hope that there is an uncapped year so they can get rid of all these contracts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

'...A front 4 of Carter - Griffin - Haynewsorth - Taylor would be scary to see, if only for one year...'

This front 4 you speak of, it scores, what 70 points a game?

It seems to me, in games against the redskins, NFC East foes knew they were playing a team that had a good defense that supported an offense that would score a touchdown and maybe three field goals a game.

Who fears that?

Keep the money free and loose for offensive upgrades.

There's no guarantee that the light will go on for Kelly/Thomas/Davis/Campbell/o-line.

Why bundle up so much money on one side of the ball when it was the offense that fell a part in the second half of most games?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Why would you not want the best DT in the league?

8 1/2 sacks and commands double teams.

Why not.

Did anyone think about what if he does well?

Wow what if he does well and plays up to the contract.....

What if

Too much negativity.

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Why would you not want the best DT in the league?

8 1/2 sacks and commands double teams.

Why not.

Did anyone think about what if he does well?

Wow what if he does well and plays up to the contract.....

What if

Too much negativity.

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:48 AM

Because of fears of what big name free agents do when they come here... nothing.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

cav, had it not been for Peter King mentioning that DS, and AH's agent had lunch/dinner, none of this gets reported. All these places that are reporting this, its all because of Peter King. They're taking the whole dinner, and doing their best at playing "can you top this" when it comes to who can put out the most outrageous article.

PFT also reported that Terry Bradshaw was dead...how'd that work out for them.

moe, agreed that money needs to go towards improving the offense. If you improve the offense, I'd just about guarantee that the defense will spend less time on the field, and will become more effective. You force the other team into playing catch up, into becoming ONE dimensional.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

Keep the money free and loose for offensive upgrades
-------------------------------------------
What if we do that too? Hell we might even go get another veteran QB...who knows.

Its all about improving.

Lets not worry about money. we all know the skins will do what they have to when it comes to money. What if they get OT and DT's and more...

you know the skins can do it. We've seen it before.
Its all about improving/upgrading and getting better than 8-8

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

'...Why would you not want the best DT in the league?...'

Why not work to draft Raji--meaning you get a younger player who you can pay less than Haynesworth--and move on if the idea is to get a monster dt?

The WASHINGTON REDSKINS have morphed into a team that depends too much on taking on players developed by other teams.

Let's try switching seats with teams like the stillers, pats, titans, panthas, and draft and develop guys other teams want to overpay for a change.

Please put the kool aid down and remember that burning big money on big names is why the skins win free agency, but lose in what matters: yearly competitiveness.

We have to score points to win. We stop people already--why keep adding guys to what we do well?

Let the young'ns on D--Wison, Jackson, Golston, Montegemory, Moore, Horton-- get their groove on free of a big name that eats up the money we'll need to keep them once they get good--and wind up moving on.

Kool aid is good when you're thirsty, but ultimately, it's the sugar in it that kills ya'.

Put that glass down, bloggas!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"It seems to me, in games against the redskins, NFC East foes knew they were playing a team that had a good defense that supported an offense that would score a touchdown and maybe three field goals a game.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

The problem was that neither the defense nor the offense complimented each other. If you have a protect-the-ball, ball control type offense, you need a dynamic defense that forces turnovers and attacks the other team. If you have a high-powered, high-risk offense, you need a contained, safe defense.

We have a safe offense and a safe defense. One of these has to change. If the free agent market is going to change this team, Albert Haynesworth is by FAR the best option to do so. None of the free agent offensive linemen are even close to being in his league (the one who was, Jordan Gross, was signed long term before he hit the market). Every other one that may be an upgrade is too old for what the skins need (meaning young linemen). The only other ones that could be considered are Jason Brown and Jahri Evans, but neither of them would transform this offense from 16 ppg to 24 ppg.

If the team is looking to upgrade via free agency, defense is the side of the ball to do it. The offensive upgrade should come through the draft, where the team can get a young and talented lineman early on.

*Note: I don't want ANY free agent signings, but if the team is keen on adding via FA, defense is the side to do it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru

Who's fault is that they don't do good when they come here?

Are all the other 32 teams bad as well because they want him too.

Facts is were just one of the better teams at getting free agents. (airplanes, jets, dinner, wizard games...)

I don't have the answers but I know as of right now...it would be an upgrade

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"It seems to me, in games against the redskins, NFC East foes knew they were playing a team that had a good defense that supported an offense that would score a touchdown and maybe three field goals a game.

Posted by: MistaMoe"


EXACTLY! No TDs from Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

psp, I think that had the OL been healthy/younger all year long, then you'd have seen something closer to the first 8 games than the last 8 games, offensively speaking...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think signing Haynesworth would be a bad thing. He's never played all 16 games since he's been in the league, we already have injury prone DL personnell. He has had behavior and character issues, at this present time there doesn't appear to be too much of a deterring factor at the top to control that, ie: Clinton Portis's antics last season. Too much money would be tied up in one player. In my opinion defense isn't the most glaring need on this team. The OL is where the emphasis should be. An improved OL will give JC more time, more points can be scored, CP will have more holes(if he can hold up)and the defense will not be on the field as long, giving up long drives and points in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 25, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Let the young'ns on D--Wison, Jackson, Golston, Montegemory

lol...your funny! These kids are ok.

How about we let Tuck, Kiminoaka, umm
d-ware, ummm so many to say.

We suck right now on the line and were upgrading. Whats wrong with that. Please answer that.

fine lets keep these players and go 8-8 again.

Look at the teams we play and compare if we match up well on the line?

Why not work to draft Raji

Hell yeah. Love this kid. He's nice but what if they have other plans like getting a OT with that pick.

All I'm saying is what if they get Albert and what ever else you want....

What if albert does play well....what then. What if. What if this year the rookies from last year step up and we draft a OT and get some Free agents...what if?

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"psp, I think that had the OL been healthy/younger all year long, then you'd have seen something closer to the first 8 games than the last 8 games, offensively speaking...

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Right, and my point was that looking at the list of free agents, almost all of the ones that might be an upgrade are either old (Matt Birk, Mike Goff, Mark Tausher, Jeff Saturday, Tra Thomas, Jon Runyan) or injury-prone (Stacy Andrews, Marvel Smith). Adding any of those names doesn't do anything to help the age/injury issue.

For the offense, it's the draft. For the defense, if it's anything, it's free agency.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru

Who's fault is that they don't do good when they come here?

Are all the other 32 teams bad as well because they want him too.

Facts is were just one of the better teams at getting free agents. (airplanes, jets, dinner, wizard games...)

I don't have the answers but I know as of right now...it would be an upgrade

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 9:08 AM

I agree 100% that it would be an upgrade, and I think if we can do it, then we definitely should.

I also understand why people would be skeptical.

I do love his mean streak. That is what this team needs. Also, remember his suspension for stepping on the head of a COWBOY! He already has some bad blood with the 'boys...PERFECT!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

psp, jason brown, is a young guy I'd like them to make a run at.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"psp, jason brown, is a young guy I'd like them to make a run at.

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

I wouldn't mind taking a run at him or Jahri Evans. Both guys I think could help. But I think Haynesworth would help more.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd rather have:

Haynesworth - OT #13 (Smith, Smith, Oher, or Monroe)

over

Brown/Evans - Raji/Orakpo

I'd take combination #1 every day of the week.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Any good mock drafts out there yet?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 25, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd rather have:

Haynesworth - OT #13 (Smith, Smith, Oher, or Monroe)

over

Brown/Evans - Raji/Orakpo

I'd take combination #1 every day of the week."


Even knowing Haynesworth will receive an astronomical contract?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 25, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Evans was tendered at the highest level, 1st and a 3rd to sign him.....no thanks....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Even knowing Haynesworth will receive an astronomical contract?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Let me amend what I'm saying:

I'd rather not have any of the free agents, and just select the best offensive lineman.

BUT, if the team is keen on picking somebody up via FA, I'd rather have Haynesworth at an "astronomical" contract over Brown/Evans at a large one (and they will receive a large one, you can bet on that).

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru

No mock drafts have the Skins taking a quarterback.

This one, DC Sports Report is a database listing percentages and all of that good stuff.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

psp, agree, but I think for the money it would take to get AH, you might be able to get Jason Brown, and another player.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind taking a run at him or Jahri Evans. Both guys I think could help. But I think Haynesworth would help more.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd rather have:

Haynesworth - OT #13 (Smith, Smith, Oher, or Monroe)

over

Brown/Evans - Raji/Orakpo

I'd take combination #1 every day of the week.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse


aren't you the same freaking guy that argued insistently that we should sign nobody and keep everybody so that next year we could fix everything and now you want us to sign the biggest name for the biggest money?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Evans was tendered at the highest level, 1st and a 3rd to sign him.....no thanks....

Posted by: zjfr2"

Well we can toss that one out the door.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"aren't you the same freaking guy that argued insistently that we should sign nobody and keep everybody so that next year we could fix everything and now you want us to sign the biggest name for the biggest money?

Posted by: zjfr2"

Read the post above. I'd rather not spend any money whatsoever.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"I'd rather not have any of the free agents, and just select the best offensive lineman.

BUT, if the team is keen on picking somebody up via FA, I'd rather have Haynesworth at an "astronomical" contract over Brown/Evans at a large one (and they will receive a large one, you can bet on that)."

I can agree with that. Only having 4 picks with the state of this team is damn near disastrous.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 25, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

They should cut Springs and open some more room under the cap. I say sign Haynesworth and maybe Boldin from the Cards. Then draft o linemen the first three picks. Then maybe an outside lb. One more thing GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Terps! F Duke! The Dookies are our rivals!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bigjofc | February 25, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

maybe Boldin from the Cards. Then draft o linemen the first three picks. Then maybe an outside lb. One more thing GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Terps! F Duke! The Dookies are our rivals!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bigjofc | February 25, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Boldin isn't a FA...you'd have to trade a ton for him...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

At least we'll probably have about $30M off the books AFTER this season, so next offseason will be REALLY fun.

Springs - 8.5M
Taylor - 8.5M
Thrash, Yoder - 1M each

If we cut Corny, Rabach, and Daniels doesn't return, thats another 10M.

Would be nice if we could cut Jansen after 2009 but his cap figure is ridiculous.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

They should cut Springs and open some more room under the cap. I say sign Haynesworth and maybe Boldin from the Cards. Then draft o linemen the first three picks. Then maybe an outside lb. One more thing GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Terps! F Duke! The Dookies are our rivals!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bigjofc | February 25, 2009 9:52 AM |

Boldin is not a FA, they would have to trade a 1st next year and probably a 2nd to get him plus a monster contract.

And that shoud say F-Maryland they suck.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

There is no way they get enough cap space to sign Haynesworth with out cutting either Springs or JT.

They can no longer cut Griff. they have already said they are keeping JT, so it looks like Springs is gone.

They could hold on to Springs until the deal is made with Haynesworth and then cut him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Lets get an update are the restructures done yet?

What are the terms?

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I personally would be all for signing Haynesworth. He's only 27 and in his prime. As for Jason Taylor, he had 1 bad year and now everyone wants him cut? We always talk about the knee-jerk reactions the team makes, well cutting him would be one. The guy was hurt last year, let's see what he can do when healthy. I agreed with cuting Washington, and I thought Griffin would be gone too. I like Evans, and its a good move to see what his market value is, then if its a good number match the offer and bring him back. Cut P Daniels if Evans is resigned. If Hall is resigned, cut Springs. For the draft, if one of the big dog OL is not there, then don't reach for one. Try to trade down, or get Orakpo. We need a good linebacker anyway. As for JLC, you should write for the Baltimore paper, since you cannot hide your hate for the Redskins. I know this is a blog, but you have an inability to hide your Redskin bias.

Posted by: dolemite1 | February 25, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Another restructuring of an old arse player who doesn;t deserve to be in this team. We keep giving these old washout players extended deal ultimately costing us to keep them longer and their salary (for ex: Jansen, Samuels, Porter, Randel el, Carter). When do we start doing the right thing and rebuild this team the right way.

Posted by: thewayitis | February 25, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

hey there...restructure not finished yet. no word on any terms so far. but we are asking...
btw, thecork at 8:53 p.m. made me lol.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Can Haynesworth play Right Tackle?
If we are going to give out $15M a season to someone (rumor) I would like to see:

1 Stud Offensive Tackle (draft) $7M
1 Solid Offensive Guard (free agent) $3M
1 Solid Defensive End (free agent) ($5M)

Posted by: isnadd | February 25, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

isnadd, no drafted player would make $7M a year rookie season.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Lol Cindy, it fits right in doesn't it? I had missed that but it makes sense, lots of talk that Orakpo my be our pick and he pulls his hamstring, talk that Smith may fall to us and he skips out on a rookie event (S. Taylor)....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

well since he only plays 1st and 2nd downs on D maybe he could play guard on offense?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Here's why I fully support Jason Taylor coming back... Batted Balls. Dude had 9 PDs in 2008. Among the league leaders (the leader?) for non-Defensive backs. I love a D-Line with some wingspan.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Canty and Jason Brown together would cost as much as Fat Albert, and then we could go RT at #13, and look for Guards/DTs with our later picks (and with any luck, get another pick for Springs.)

Is there anything wrong with that scenario?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

+++I just wonder what it would take for a lot of people on here to think (Haynesworth) was a good free agent deal? ...

Posted by: scampbell1975+++

Selective Amnesia.

Forgetting the disaster that was Big Daddy and Stumblefield and forgetting that Haynesworth's only dominant seasons have come during salary drives.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Next season is uncapped. They will pay off all the ARE's, etc and start a clean slate. That's why we can extend these guys out to create cap room this year because after this season they will all be gone. Pay them off in full with no cap hit. Not that difficult to understand. If for some reason, there is an agreement on a cap next year we are screwed but there is no union head yet so time is running out for that.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 25, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Rypien, I wasn't thinking of just next season...I meant averaging the $15M over several seasons....

But thanks...

Posted by: isnadd | February 25, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Is there anything wrong with that scenario?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Nobody would trade for Springs. except for us and I think there's a rule against that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

+++Here's why I fully support Jason Taylor coming back... Batted Balls. Dude had 9 PDs in 2008. Among the league leaders (the leader?) for non-Defensive backs. I love a D-Line with some wingspan.

Posted by: MonkMossMann+++

Let him play Beach Volleyball then. Dude is 6'6", has quick twitch muscles and can't rush the passer anymore. So he blocks Kills at the net.

Credit where it's due, but fpr my $8 million I'd prefer a guy who can stop the run, rush the passer and stay on the field instead of in the whirlpool

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Good one, zjfr2. He could play guard. :)

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If they do get Haynesworth, then they are going to have a shed one of Montgomery, Golsten, or Lorenzo Alexander. I'm assuming Boschetti is gone. Maybe Lozo gets to return to his true calling ... offensive lineman in the jumbo package.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Here's why I fully support Jason Taylor coming back... Batted Balls. Dude had 9 PDs in 2008. Among the league leaders (the leader?) for non-Defensive backs. I love a D-Line with some wingspan.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Any post that starts with "here's why I fully support Taylor coming back" means I don't have to read it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

etrod - ok, well forget the Springs trade then.. but otherwise?

isnadd - my bad.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod
"Nobody would trade for Springs. except for us and I think there's a rule against that."

-------------------------
That's the post of the week folks, everyone else take the rest of the week off!

Posted by: isnadd | February 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, the rest is good.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think if they sign Haynesworth they should take a long look at moving Alexander to guard. Two years ago that was his position and the talk was he's too athletic not to be on the field and at the time Kendall and Thomas we're still good so they figured out ways to play him. Well Thomas and Kendall aren't good anymore so maybe its time to put him back at guard and let him compete for a job, especially if he's going to be the 5th DT behind fat Albert, Grif, Monte, and Gholston.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Here's why I fully support Jason Taylor coming back... Batted Balls. ...

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 10:31 AM

Nats could use a reliable slugger too.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

zJack ... my only concern about moving Lozo to guard is the increased injury risk to him (i.e., as our second string punter, kicker, long snapper, gunner, personal punt protector, play caller, ticket seller, FedEx security, and portfolio manager for Six Flags holding company).

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Canty and Jason Brown together would cost as much as Fat Albert, and then we could go RT at #13, and look for Guards/DTs with our later picks (and with any luck, get another pick for Springs.)

Is there anything wrong with that scenario?

Posted by: Rypien11"

If the question is Haynesworth vs. Canty+Brown, I'm taking Haynesworth every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Nobody would trade for Springs. except for us and I think there's a rule against that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I might as well take the day off.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Lol Cindy....yeah I read on ESPN the other day we were trying to trade Springs and milk came out of my nose.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The one thing I will add today that i heard on the radio yesterday, is that AH will never be able to play up to a 100 mil contract. No one can. So in that sense, we will never be satisfied.

If he brings a SB, then maybe

Posted by: Zeebs | February 25, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

If the question is Haynesworth vs. Canty+Brown, I'm taking Haynesworth every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: psps23 |

Wow. I'd have to respectfully disagree.... Haynesworth is a beast, but a beast with character issues, and a beast who will be 28, break the bank, and who knows how he will perform when he gets here....

Meanwhile Brown is 25, Canty 26? and both at positions of need.. particularly Brown. Could both be good for us for a long time, and I think less risky than AH. Both are also top tier FAs.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Given the choice, I'd opt for the 2 players over AH as well. While the production might not be the same comparing Canty to AH, I think that given the myriad of issues/holes, quantity wins out.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11,

I see it differently. Haynesworth is the best defensive tackle in the game, arguably the most dominant defender in the league, and led his team (which was led by the defense) to the best record in the league.

Canty has been a career role-player for an average defense. Brown is good, but not great or elite.

Let me put it another way. If this team already had Haynesworth (or any other team in the league) would you ever in you wildest dreams consider trading him for a package of Chris Canty and Jason Brown? Can you imagine what the Titans would have done if that was the package that was offered for Haynesworth? They'd laugh in the face of whoever was calling and thank them for the practical joke. Those two don't compare to him. It's not even close.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

psp, Brown handled AH pretty well the two times they played this year. I think Brown is gonna be a huge asset to whomever ends up with him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

How much more of an improvement is Canty over Evans? I don't think it to be much, if any. But AH over Canty & Evans, yes, a major improvement.

We all should stop complaining or expressing concern money & salary cap because Daniel Synder knows no conservatism in regards to cash... Unless of course you are a Redskins employee not on the roster.

No matter what happens, we should keep Golston & Monty - Those two dudes have been good for us.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I honestly would take Canty over Haynesworth straight given what the Skins have/need. With keeping Griffen DT is the one position on our defensive front seven we have depth with four legit players for 2 positions. We need help at defensive end a lot more than DT, and there are no true DE prospects good enough for the #13 pick. Canty is a 26 year old 300 pound end that could be a mainstay on our line for 5 or 6 years. Meanwhile, how many DT's stay dominant much past 30? Haynesworth has probably 2 or 3 years of truly elite play left even if he stays healthy and motivated. DT like RB takes too much of a pounding for them to stay elite for long past 30. To me, Canty is younger, cheaper, safer, at a position of greater need, and all things being equal (health/motivation) projects to be productive for longer so I'd rather have him of Haynesworth.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2
'....I honestly think if they sign Haynesworth they should take a long look at moving Alexander to guard...'

This makes sense.

Then Alexander will get very good at guard.

Just like Derrick Dockery did.

But then his contract will come up, and then, because of the money spent on Fat Albert, we won't be able to re-sign him.

Then we'll have to go get another guard.

Let's spend the money on a guard and tackle now, avoid Fat Albert, and stop us from killing ourselves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"psp, Brown handled AH pretty well the two times they played this year. I think Brown is gonna be a huge asset to whomever ends up with him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Greg, in the two games against the Ravens, Tennessee's defense let up 10 and 13 points respectively. Haynesworth averaged 3.5 tackles per game in those contests, he averaged 3.6 throughout the course of the season. I don't think anybody was handled, except the offenses.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"How much more of an improvement is Canty over Evans? I don't think it to be much, if any.

Posted by: matthewvickers"

Exactly. All this gushing over a guy just because he weighs 300 lbs makes me want to stab myself with a pencil. Dude's a career role-player for the worst defense in the NFC East, and all of a sudden that 300 lbs transforms him into being better than the consensus most dominant defensive lineman in the league?

I really hope some people on here are joking.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I think that Daniel Synder just wants to spend 100$ million. It's his duty to capitalism, not winning, that send us down this path.

Haynseworth = a better defensive line which can translate to the defense being on the field less = our offensive having more opportunities with the ball. That's great and all but it doesn't help JC stand up in the pocket. And if he's constantly under pressure and we are plagued by three & outs, then AH is right back on the field... and our offensive still doesn't score a touchdown.

Cindy,
How much truth is there in shopping Springs?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Greg, in the two games against the Ravens, Tennessee's defense let up 10 and 13 points respectively. Haynesworth averaged 3.5 tackles per game in those contests, he averaged 3.6 throughout the course of the season. I don't think anybody was handled, except the offenses.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:35 AM |

psp,

What were Stubblefields stats the year before he came to the Redskins?

What makes you so sure once AH signs a big contract he will play as hard as he did last year?

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Dude's a career role-player for the worst defense in the NFC East, and all of a sudden that 300 lbs transforms him into being better than the consensus most dominant defensive lineman in the league?

I really hope some people on here are joking.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

All ends in a 3-4 are career role players, Canty has been a full-time starter on a defensive line with a lot more talent than ours, is younger and bigger than Evans who was cut from that same defense that Canty started for. He's a major upgrade over Evans and he is a major upgrade in body type to position fit over anybody else on our roster thanks to Daniels and Evans leaving. We have nobody to play that position right now and we all saw what happened when Taylor tried. We need a big end to anchor against RT against the run badly and Canty is the best out of very few options. I'm not saying he's the best end in the league or anything of the sort, but he's the best option out there at a position of massive need in our system.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Ugh just say no to Haynesworth! Why can't we just stick to a plan of targeting 2nd tier free agents and the draft?? This guy is going to be a big waste of money.

Posted by: RedskinsWarpath | February 24, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree, guys like this never work out for us. That is why teams like the Pats and Giants don't spend a fortune on guys like this, they have good people making decisions.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 25, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"What makes you so sure once AH signs a big contract he will play as hard as he did last year?

Posted by: Flounder21"

As opposed to Chris Canty, who is assured to be a god-like worker bee once he gets paid?

I already said I don't want any free agents. But if this team is going after one, it better be for somebody that will actually impact this team, not for somebody that has the potential for impact based on hyperbolic description of his physical attributes and average success (like Carter/Archie/Lloyd/ARE).

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If we sign Haynesworth and the draft rolls around and we see BJ Raji or Peria Jerry sitting at #13, I will jump off of a bastion.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworths impact would be marginal at best if he doesn't get hurt.

The defense was ranked 4th last year we are not going much higher then that.

The offense still blows how will he help them score more points.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, look at all these comments. Did the Skins win the Super Bowl this season? Oh wait it's the Skins annual offseason bonanza. This is when the die-hards are promised the world, then when the season is over there's no trophy. No wonder Snyder and Vinny can keep playing this game, the fans will keep giving there money away to this franchise. Why can't the Skins draft there own Albert Haynesworth? Why is it almost every offseason we only have 3 or 4 draft picks? How do the Steelers, Patriots, Colts and Giants continue to draft well, while the Skins continue to have dud draft classes?
Why do the Skins continue to overpay for talent, when the talent they spend millions on can't produce on the field?

How is Jason Campbell going to have 4 seconds to find a receiver, when the old offensive line is battered and beat by week 7? Who’s going to replace Pete Kendall, Cory Raymer and Jon Jansen on the starting o-line? I’m sure Danny boy and Mr. Radio Vinny will reassure anyone who asks these questions to wait until opening kickoff and watch the Redskins triumphant return to the Superbowl.

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | February 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I hate to spoil the cream dreams some of you here are having over the thought of Haynesworth playing in burgundy and gold, but remember one thing: AH was dominant in Tennessee, in the scheme they play. He didn't put up numbers in the what the Redskins do with the Redskins personnel and the Redskins coaching. There's this "Madden GM" mentality that you can take a dominant player and drop him in any of the 31 other situations league-wide and he'll play at the same level. WRONG. And anyone who has followed the Redskins with any regularity over the last 10 years should already know that first-hand.

One of the great failures of this team in recent years is the inability to take top notch talent and get the most out of it. Clinton Portis has probably lost years off of his life because they took a smallish back and ran him like Riggo. The defense employs a run-stop first approach for their D-lineman and yet sign smaller pass rushers like Andre Carter, Jason Taylor and Chris Wilson (who by the way, is smaller than some of the LBs on the team). One of the finest downfield threats in the game (Santana) is reduced to running slants and screens to get the ball in his hands instead of airing it out to him. I ask you: what makes you think that Albert Haynesworth (who has had his work ethic questioned for YEARS) would be any different? With a locker room full of guys who basically came here to get a big pay day and not strictly for football reasons, I would bet on Haynesworth all but wearing #94 with Stubblefield on the back.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Haynesworths impact would be marginal at best if he doesn't get hurt.

Posted by: Flounder21"

It's these type of comments that baffle me. I have no idea how people can imagine them, let alone justify it to themselves. Most dominant defensive lineman in the league, always occupies, and consistently beats double-teams, had more sacks than our top 2 pass-rushers combined last season, yet he'll have a marginal impact on a team who's biggest defensive weakness is line pressure. Shocking.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Flunder,

If we sign Haynesworth and Hall, our defense becomes better, period (barring injury). A hellaciously, disruptive force from the inside; pockets collapse. More expensive, yes. But it is only one of many ways to become better on defense.

I don't believe either Canty or Evans is worth 8$ mill.

A lot of talk about improving the D Line and a lot of talk about no improvement is necessary. But no talk about resigning Monty & Golston? I know they're no Haynseworth or Canty but these guys are good, young and cost nowhere as much as the others.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

All of the sudden we throw Evans out like he is crap. This guy busted his butt to get better throughout his career. He is no Haynesworth , however he is a guy you could plug in anywhere on the line and he makes plays. I also don't think Canty is that much of an upgrade over him if any.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 25, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Springs, I think anything and everything is possible.
Flounder raises something that is a concern of mine as well: Haynesworth is a beast, but will be play the way he did last year?
And, lastly, tell me you were eating cereal, zjfr2, 'cause if milk just came out of your nose, well, that would be weird.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"AH was dominant in Tennessee, in the scheme they play."

Posted by: brownwood26

Which proves your own point wrong. It is the same scheme here is DC. Originated by Jeff Fisher, who mentored Gregg Williams, who mentored Greg Blache. THIS is the guy you want to sign, NOT a guy like Chris Canty, who's spent his entire professional career in the 3-4 of Wade Phillips.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"If we sign Haynesworth and the draft rolls around and we see BJ Raji or Peria Jerry sitting at #13, I will jump off of a bastion.

Posted by: matthewvickers"

Not if Andre Smith or Michael Oher are sitting there as well.

Also, where is it written that a team can only have 1 dominant DT? All they would be is a replacement for Griffin in a year or two.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Matthew,

We can't afford to sign both of those guys there is no way to fit that into the salary cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Dexter Nottage, Sterling Palmer, and Jamal Duff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: joeboggs | February 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on Canty not being that much better than Evans. People must like him cause he went to UVA or something. He should be in the 3-4 million range rather than 8. This all goes back to smart teams locking up their best players so the guys who are available in FA are average or good but want to get paid like an all pro.

I don't think we should sign Hayneworth based on our needs all over the board but I hate the stats game. Yeah our D ranked 4th but we never have any big plays resulting in TD's. Haynesworth may make that kind of impact collapsing the pocket getting both sacks and forcing QB's into bad throws that can get picked and taken to the house. It's sickening to watch just about every other team get pressure while the QB can stand back there without a worry in the world against us.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 25, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Guys, we have a GREAT defensive system in place with some top-notch coaches. The sum was greater than the individual parts. THAT is how you build a winner. So you find smart team-oriented players who fit into the system to run it.

I don't see a $100mill tackle on the Pats or the Steelers or the Giants. Especially one with a questionable injury history and work ethic.

We've got solid guys in some places that we need them to run this system, particularly at safety and CB (if we can re-sign Hall).

We need more of a play-maker at OLB, we need to add a run-stopping DE, and we do need to add another DT - but we do NOT need to add one to the tune of $100 mill.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Psp - I see your point about TENNESSEE or other teams not trading AH for Brown and Canty. I don't think they would do that either.

But, they also know that he works in their system.

We have the added risk of his motivation after a huge payday, his age, and him adjusting to a 4-3. That takes some of the sheen off the deal.

Plus, we also have many more holes than Tennesee does. If we had their O-line, wed be in a lot better shape.

I think we are a team that needs to step out of the mindset of "one player away", and get younger/rebuild. I think the 2 quality over 1 superstar heads in that direction.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Which proves your own point wrong. It is the same scheme here is DC. Originated by Jeff Fisher, who mentored Gregg Williams, who mentored Greg Blache. THIS is the guy you want to sign, NOT a guy like Chris Canty, who's spent his entire professional career in the 3-4 of Wade Phillips.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:08 PM

You don't know how much of that scheme is still Williams and what's not. I know he and Fisher are Buddy Ryan disciples, but that just tells me that they have the same philosophies, not the same scheme.

Even if I grant you that point, you can't tell me that Haynesworth doesn't fold up shop now once he's paid. I was saying that when it looked like he'd stay in Tennessee--it pretty much makes it a certainty if he takes Snyder's money because better men than AH have done the exact same thing! And in Tennessee you had DEs to respect...not so much here.

You have the right to be optimistic about this signing, but I just don't see any realistic way this works. Hope I'm wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, you refer to Canty as a 'career' player, his whole career, etc.... Hes only 26 and has played 3 years, hes not an old guy.

I think he has the talent to be a good if not great DE in a 4-3. Big guy too.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

And, lastly, tell me you were eating cereal, zjfr2, 'cause if milk just came out of your nose, well, that would be weird.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Haha, yes, honey smacks!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

btw, thecork at 8:53 p.m. made me lol.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 10:17 AM |
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The Smoking Gun.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks has Redskins taking Andre Smith at #13 in his Mock Draft 2.0, and that's fine with me...

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor may be the best Pass Defending Defensive Lineman in the last 10 years. Does anyone know where career PDs are tracked? As Bill Raftery would say, "Bat it Dowwwn, young man!".

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"Even if I grant you that point, you can't tell me that Haynesworth doesn't fold up shop now once he's paid."

That's a valid concern, but to me, there's no difference between him and any other player in a contract year hoping for a payday. Canty could be going from a 4th round contract to a possible $40 million deal (5 yrs at $8 mill per). How would the concern be any different? Both were playing for a payday.

Just because it's happened once or twice before doesn't make it likely it will happen again. If this was another player at another position -- say, Randy Moss, had he hit the FA market last year -- would you be saying the same thing? Or is it only because he's a DT and it just so happens that a DT with a record contract blew up in the Skins face a decade ago? Did Portis play less hard after his payday? (He may not have fit with our scheme, but that's a different issue. This is speaking purely on motivation.)

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing that this blog spent most of the season rightfully bemoaning the state of the offensive line/passing game, but is now suddenly fixated on whether or not the team spends a gazillion dollars on a DT they don't even need. Based on a rumor from some goofball in Houston.

You think you control your own thoughts, but in reality The Fourth Estate dictates what you think.

Resistance is futile.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Not that I support the signing of Haynesworth, but I have watched him play since his days at the University of Tennessee (I am an alumni) and he has ALWAYS played hard.

Posted by: ederic | February 25, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth isnt like stubblefield at all. While the contract they get will look similar, their playing styles are completely different. Stubblefield blew up because of the players around him, he got a bunch of sacks in one year when other teams were focusing on another guy. you cant name one other guy from the Tenessee line withoiut using google. Stubblefield was never a run stuffer like haynesworth. Haynesworth was always considered a great player, he got suspended in one year and then he was a beast from there on out.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"I think we are a team that needs to step out of the mindset of "one player away", and get younger/rebuild. I think the 2 quality over 1 superstar heads in that direction."

The first statement I agree with, which is why I said I don't want any free agents.

I disagree with the second statement, if the Redskins are insisting on going after a FA. Mostly because Canty, who you deem as a quality player, is not proven in the least to be that. He's an average player, much like Randle El, Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, and Brandon Lloyd were coming to this team. Our FO, and the fanbase, saw "potential" written all over them. It didn't work out, and now we're stuck paying them contracts worthy of pro-bowlers.

Again, I say if we're getting a free agent, it better be for somebody proven to be an impact player in this league. At least then the only obstacle is adjusting to the team, rather than adjusting to the team AND proving you're better than anything you've shown so far in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks has Redskins taking Andre Smith at #13 in his Mock Draft 2.0, and that's fine with me...

Posted by: p1funk

This would make Moe happy.

Bringing in Fat Albert would not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"It's amazing that this blog spent most of the season rightfully bemoaning the state of the offensive line/passing game, but is now suddenly fixated on whether or not the team spends a gazillion dollars on a DT they don't even need."

Posted by: MrRedskin21

If there was an offensive lineman out there worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as Haynesworth, you wouldn't see me here babbling about AH. But since the only one even close to the same league (Jordan Gross) was signed long term, the attention slides to the one guy that CAN actually help this team.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

'....it better be for somebody proven to be an impact player in this league....'


Posted by: psps23

And let the free agency money go to a guy who can either block or un with the ball.

Enough with the defensive chatter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If they're going to sign a big name, I'd rather it be Marvin Harrison, since that is an area (WR) that is still very much up in the air. There's no guarantee that Thomas or Kelly will produce, and I think having MH at the #2 spot (Harrison on his worst day is better than ARE) is something to consider.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"And let the free agency money go to a guy who can either block or un with the ball."

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Name a young, injury-free, relatively cheap lineman on the free agent market that would be an immediate upgrade over what we already have, and I'm all ears.

(Jason Brown is sure to get a big payday and multiple teams fighting over him. If we can get him for cheap, I'm all for it. Don't see it happening though, and as stated, if the team is spending major money, it better be for a true impact player.)

Until then, all the talk about spending money on the offensive line is pointless.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

No to Marvin Harrison; he's old & getting slow. Plus he's not a big receiver.

I think Devin Thomas will turn some heads next season. Especially if he gets to return punts. Malcom Kelly sounds like he has something to prove (duh) and says he will be playing with a chip on his shoulder, if he plays that is.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 25, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and here's Reason #286 to pass on Haynesworth: dude has only started all 16 games once...and that was his rookie year when he only started 3 games. No thank you!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Who can spot the flaw? Hint look at the starting games. Genius!

Posted by: NFeKPo | February 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The reason that you sign chris canty besides being a 300 pound DE is that he is best used on passing down as a pass rush DT.

If the skins sign canty they will get the most bang for their buck VS. Haynes( is he really)Worth that much money

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse


+++did I break this thing??

Anyone sick of winter yet?

Posted by: BeantownGreg +++

No, it's pretty much cause and effect, tho, Beans. When you start posting, people suddenly realize they have more important things to do.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

After further thought....I agree no haynesworth or canty. These guys are overpriced. I do hope they sign Angelo Crowell to play linebacker.

Posted by: Redskins001 | February 25, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

+++I am having lunch with a member of the redskins front office today, and one of our main topics will be how to best remove Jason Campbell from the organization.

Posted by: Sports_Guru+++

No more calls, we have a winner!!!

Whoever had "Sports Guru has been off the board because he's been in an Asylum getting his Megalomania Treated" in the RI Pool, please step up and collect your prize.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse


++EXACTLY! No TDs from Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Sports_Guru+++


Well it's a little hard to hit Kelly, Thomas and Davis when they are sitting in a whirlpool, on the inactive list, and/or plotzed on the bench. But don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"When you start posting, people suddenly realize they have more important things to do"

Kind of like right now with you having done 3 of the previous 4.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What does this blog post even mean??? "Nearly done"??? So, that means it is not done. And here we are 18 hours later, and it still isn't done I would have to assume. I have an idea for the next post. "Free Agency Almost Here..." or "No News on the Skins Yet..."

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 25, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

signing haynesworth would be the worst free agent decisuion EVER... EVER!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 25, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

BUCS PART WAYS WITH DERRICK BROOKS AND OTHERS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2009, 1:16 p.m. EST
Despite having $50 million or more in cap space, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have embarked on a youth movement, which apparently has put in jeopardy anyone on the roster older than the head coach.

According to Pewter Report, the Bucs are releasing linebacker Derrick Brooks, receiver Joey Galloway, receiver Ike Hilliard, linebacker Cato June, and running back Warrick Dunn.

Holy crap.

All players affected are over the age of 30. Head coach Raheem Morris is only 31.

More to come.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

flound, thanks. Hopefully the skins have ZERO interest in any of those players.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Good for TB. I wish we'd do that. Looks like they are making room for Albert?

Maybe they'd let us take Jovan Haye off their hands?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully they offer AH a contract we can't match.

Cincinati saved us last year by turning down the trade for CJ.

I hope Tampa saves us this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 25, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

flound, no way that the Redskins can compete with 50 million plus in cap space. Thats just not happening.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

+++It's amazing that this blog spent most of the season rightfully bemoaning the state of the offensive line/passing game, but is now suddenly fixated on whether or not the team spends a gazillion dollars on a DT they don't even need. Based on a rumor from some goofball in Houston.

You think you control your own thoughts, but in reality The Fourth Estate dictates what you think.

Resistance is futile.+++---MrRedskin21

You are an arrogant, hate-mongering buffoon, but you know, even arrogant, hate-mongering buffoons are right now and then. And your first graf in this post was MONEY! Good stuff! Made me suspect someone with writing talent had hijacked your computer.

But then, like Linus, about to cement his sure win for student council, then going off topic and bringing up the Great Pumpkin, you pull one out of your Azz…er, out of the UFO file. You just had to go all "the Media Controls your thoughts" on us.

Good. Because I'd hate to be forced to find you reasonable and, I dunno--what the word I'm looking for?--oh, right..."sane.".

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

How are they going to be able to sign all of their long list of draft picks if they bring in Fatty A?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | February 25, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

HOF=Derrick Brooks?

Good question.

'nuther question: If Brooks hangs up his spikes, who else other than Brett Favre will be in his draft class?

Harrison got cut, maybe he retires.

That's Derrick Brooks, Brett Favre, and Marvin Harrison?

Anybody else: Kurt Warner?

No, he wants another year.

Did Seau retire?

Dungy did.

So here's Moe's non-FA question for the day: Who are your HOFs?

Derrick Brooks
Brett Favre
Marvin Harrison
Tony Dungy

Dungy-1st ballot, Brooks- 1st ballot, Favre-canonization, Harrison-nah, no way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

You just had to go all "the Media Controls your thoughts" on us.

Good. Because I'd hate to be forced to find you reasonable and, I dunno--what the word I'm looking for?--oh, right..."sane.".

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2009 1:39 PM |
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You're too obtuse to recognize the tongue-in-cheek aspect of the post.

Read for content, Einstein: "Resistance is futile."

Ring a bell? I guess not.

Being a slack-jawed impotent, you read everything as literal except for your own anemic attempts at "humor."

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess I could go either way on the FA.. I'm just looking forward to Friday and seeing what this team does, what philosophies we reflect. Haynesworth? Canty? Springs? Taylor? Others?

I'm more torn than Liz Clarke at a Springsteen concert.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Question?

What about bringing in Cato June to play SAM. He was on TBays super bowl team @ LB cant remeber if he was the sam or will LB but he has good range and speed and experience. It also doesnt hurt that he is from D.C. I believe he went to Anacostia

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

'...Hopefully they-Tampa Bay- offer AH a contract we can't match..


Has it to down to this?

The bucs as our saviors?

Hope so too, flounder.

But given that questionable sexuality look in the eyes of that knife chewing pirate that used to be on their helmets, I hope they don't want anything in return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

great, iirc, June is smaller, and getting up there in age....not someone the Redskins should be bringing in...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I would like for all the people who persecuted the FO last year (including the beat reporter) to appologize for their remarks about how stupid they were for not signing D.J. Hackett, the bum just got cut from Carolina after another injury plauged season.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Let Danny Boy value meal. Let him take a dive for $100 million. We need a Thug on the DL, & not pretty boys. Bring on Big & Nasty.

Posted by: mntb316 | February 25, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"I would like for all the people who persecuted the FO last year (including the beat reporter) to appologize for their remarks about how stupid they were for not signing D.J. Hackett, the bum just got cut from Carolina after another injury plauged season.

Posted by: GreatOne1"

Nope. Guess what? Carolina took zero cap hit for that release. Unlike, say, the trade of Brandon Lloyd, which will still cost us $5 million in dead cap space.

Carolina releasing DJ Hackett is equivalent to the Redskins releasing Shaun Alexander. In other words, it meant absolutely nothing, good or bad.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

great, careful there, thats psp's boy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

DJ Hackett can come in to camp and compete for Thrash's spot on the roster.

Assuming he stays healthy, he could be a decent cheap pick-up to provide cover at the 3rd WR spot in case our so-far-looking-pretty-crappy young WRs don't pan out again this year. Doesn't hurt that he's "big" and knows Zorn's offense.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo, it's back to the old Danny and Vinny show. Champs in March, Chumps in December.

Bobby Beathard, please pick up a white courtesy phone.

Posted by: perspective6 | February 25, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

psp, I think the point was that DJ proved to be similar to what he's been his whole career, which is injury prone, and not reliable.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Assuming he stays healthy, he could be a decent cheap pick-up to provide cover at the 3rd WR spot in case our so-far-looking-pretty-crappy young WRs don't pan out again this year. Doesn't hurt that he's "big" and knows Zorn's offense.

Posted by: p1funk

----

Careful, you might get roasted for suggesting a cheap, zero downside receiver that costs nothing and can be released with no impact to the salary cap.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I dont care if that is Sony playstions 23 boy, and dont talk about cap ramifications, were talking before he signed with carolina. he was a bum in seattle, he was a bum in carolina, and he will be a bum wherever he goes.
he's such a big bum that his next job will be with Tom Green on his show for a remix of the Bum song.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

except he doesn't play special teams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

psp, I think the point was that DJ proved to be similar to what he's been his whole career, which is injury prone, and not reliable.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

-----

Fair enough. So I'll say it, the FO was right for not picking him up last season.

However, that doesn't make Carolina wrong for trying.

And if the Redskins brought him in this year for the vet min, I'd fully support it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

except he doesn't play special teams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Who needs him for special teams?

We've got Antwan Randle El, Devin Thomas and Justin Tryon!

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

There was an interesting article in washpost.com about how the Ravens draft offensive and defensive linemen every year.

The Redskins especially Coach Zorn (and Bugel) and Def. Coach Blache should start doing the samething. Not only drafting linemen but scouting linemen that they know will fit into the Redskins system. Why?

Look, Vinny C. talk about drafting the best overall player coming out of college. You know, that won't work. However, Vinny C. should draft the best player according to positional needs. Redskins need linemen on both sides and cornerbacks this year. Next year the Redskins will need linebackers, linemen, running back.

Posted by: clifton3 | February 25, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I was just going to say, if its true that DJ was cut by them that just makes him all the cheaper and all the less risky. He's a big gifted athlete that knows the system. If he can't stay healthy then cut him next year, at least you haven't paid him a lot our used a second round pick on him for him to be hurt a whole season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

respect to psp23 for being one of the only people on RI to admit he made a mistake and even apologized.


unlike other people on here who shall remain nameless( sports Guru)

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I dont care if that is Sony playstions 23 boy, and dont talk about cap ramifications, were talking before he signed with carolina. he was a bum in seattle, he was a bum in carolina, and he will be a bum wherever he goes.
he's such a big bum that his next job will be with Tom Green on his show for a remix of the Bum song.

Posted by: GreatOne1

---

Wow, you must be so proud of the front office for drafting 2 WRs and a TE with three 2nd round picks to provide the exact same production as him. Really, that we were much better off for it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"ummmmmm i had a stomach virus and was trying to sel my house in the middle of a computer snafu when i ripped the front office for not signing a stiff like hackett, even though if anybody knew him it was zorn, it doesn't matter becuase he wasn't a possession type 5"10 receiver lie eddie royal who we desparately need".
-LaCantrepota

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 25, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

He may be old, but Derrick Brooks would look good next to London Fletcher. The Skins will need new LBs soon enough, but as a stop gap, that's a guy I'd feel good about.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

'..I'm just looking forward to Friday and seeing what this team does..'

Moe will in Tampa on Friday enjoying 78 degrees an some baseball.

I don't want the redskins FO to do anything but change their underwear and watch college game tape during FA.

Unless it's a rt guy who can start on day one, I hope the team takes the path of least resistance and searches for gems that can be made stars rather than taking some team's old gold that's gone to rust.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Look, Vinny C. talk about drafting the best overall player coming out of college. You know, that won't work. However, Vinny C. should draft the best player according to positional needs. Redskins need linemen on both sides and cornerbacks this year. Next year the Redskins will need linebackers, linemen, running back."

Who needs the draft when you have the largest bank roll in the league? We'll sign Haynesworth, that HUGE BUST who has never played 16 games in a season to a record contract. Maybe he'll stomp on JT's head in practice - at least we'll get something out of the deal.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | February 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

This is great lets take a look at this Haynesworth will be a dominant guy he is very aggressive something that our D-line lacks of and him being apart of it will most likely make the D-line step it up! I know they will work something out with Taylor so it will be Carter Haynesworth Griffin and Taylor ladies and gentlemen prepare yourselves for a 50+ sack season! Man i cant wait til the FA lets hope this happens!

Posted by: Skins18 | February 25, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

moe, you bringing needles down to aroid?

Or is his "cousin" still doing that for him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"He may be old, but Derrick Brooks would look good next to London Fletcher. The Skins will need new LBs soon enough, but as a stop gap, that's a guy I'd feel good about.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

I agree and was going to say the same thing. Picking up Brooks would mean one less need would have to be filled by our limited draft selection this year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Let Danny Boy value meal. Let him take a dive for $100 million. We need a Thug on the DL, & not pretty boys. Bring on Big & Nasty.

Posted by: mntb316 | February 25, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, then we can sign Suge Knight to a deal and line them up together as our new starting tackle rotation...

Forget 4th ranked defense, it's all about going gangsta!

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

you guys see where Goodell took a 20 percent pay cut? too bad Bud Selig's corpse can't do the same thing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

No way on Brooks, we don't need more old names with only a year or two max left in their careers, how many times do we have to see it before we get that they will not perform and more than likely spend most of the season on the sidelines no thanks!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth isn't past his prime but he could end up being another "the wide receiver". Do nothing while taking the signing bonus to the bank.

Character. Character. Character. More than stats.

I think the d-line would be find with a healthy taylor, carter, a healthy griffin, monty, evans, and Golston. They really do not need to do anything with this line up at this point. The "D" finished 4th in the NFL.

Its the O-line.

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

D. Brooks is def a HOF in my book, even more so if he signs onto a vet squad and has 2-3 more productive years (colts/pats will call...)

I think at the right price Cato June could help the Skins. Although I am not going to make him my own private DJ Hacket.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

nobody over 28!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

any rumblings where leigh torrance will sign?

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 25, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

While I agree we need to get younger, hard/fast rulz are lame.....

Some vets on 1-year contracts can be useful. Think Federov guiding all the young guns on the Caps!

Actually that is all I care about now, The Caps!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 25, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

i dont think theres any way we sign Haynesworth. Tampa Bay now has nearly 60Million in cap room.

They could sign Haynesworth and give him his signing bonus up front (capwise) and still not be at the cap floor. I think its clear Tampa wants Haynesworth (and possibly Peppers, Warner, and Housh too) and no one is going to be able to outbid them.

Hopefully, Tampa bay will save us from ourselves like Cincinatti did last year and not allow us to make a huge mistake.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | February 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, the Nats have their own soap opera going on down in Viera. JBow may lose his job as the FBI investigates "skimming" of bonuses paid to latin ball players.

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

TB's cap space is impressive. To bad those Bruce Allen rumors turned out to be just that...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 25, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"nobody over 28!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009"

YES!!!! but with 2 important exceptions ... well
three ... cornerback, quarterback and kicker.

The three are specialty positions requiring tremendous athleticism combined with savvy experience.

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Cato June is 29 and only weights 227 lbs. He's is not going to help the Skins at SLB.

Posted by: siris | February 25, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

CL, most of the time I would agree, and if we ran a Tampa Two style of defense that Brooks has played in his entire career than I'd say go for it. But we don't run anything like that and we don't need old guys unless they are absolute perfect fits for what we run. like for example, if we had cut springs and couldn't resign Hall then if McAllister were to be signed on a short term deal I'd be ok with that since he is a man cover corner and we play a lot of man. but a older, slower, smallish Dbrooks playing in a system he's never played in before for a year or two, no thanks. Or even the risk on DJ, yeah he'll probably be hurt but if he can come in and stay healthy through camp he could be great value, young still, big, and knows the system. or even a bobbie engram for a cheap price tag, old but knows and has been productive in the system. But not guys that will be learning totally new schemes combined with being old cause by the time they get it they'll be retired.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins are outbid for Stompy (if they're among the bidders, which seems likely), but I don't want the Bucs to get too much better... we do have to play them this fall, y'know.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks of SI has the Skins taking Andre Smith @ # 13. Just imagine...Mr. Walk-Out on one side & Big & Nasty on the other!!!

Posted by: mntb316 | February 25, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope Haynesworth character issues are behind him. He has a mean streak -- particularly against the Cowboys -- that I like.

I think he's matured...

Although I love this quote when he was fined 5K last year for excessive roughness for slamming Jaguars RB Maurice Jones-Drew to the ground after a tackle:

"I'm not going to be any gentler or whatever. Maybe I'll just help them up."

Posted by: siris | February 25, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer DTs to be mean and intimidating on the football field...

Posted by: siris | February 25, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

smith falling to #13 would be a steal....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

hope the Skins are outbid for Stompy (if they're among the bidders, which seems likely), but I don't want the Bucs to get too much better... we do have to play them this fall, y'know.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

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Theres about a 20% chance that if Stompy did sign with the bucks, he'd be inactive for the game and if he did, theres a 100% chance he'd only play 65% of the snaps. Theres also a near 100% chance that Haynesworth reverts to his old self and plays at 50% or less of his ability once he gets a big fat contract.

so i'm really not worried about how our shabby o-line holds up against a team with haynesworth on it.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | February 25, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

While I agree we need to get younger, hard/fast rulz are lame.....

Couldn’t have said it better CL….
Haynesworth won’t necessarily lay an egg just because Stubblefield sucked and other free agents have been busts.
D Brooks could be a huge help for a year or two. They guy still has speed, experience, and is a great leader. I just can’t remember if he is an OLB or middle….I see him going to the cowboys though, especially if Ray Lewis goes too (unless he is a MLB)…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

BLOODY WEDNESDAY NETS BUCS $12.45 MILLION IN CAP SPACE
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2009, 2:45 p.m.

We previously pointed out that the stunning decision of the Bucs to jettison five veteran players — linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard, and running back Warrick Dunn — created $9.5 million in salary cap space, based on their base salaries for 2009.

A league source tells us that the Bucs cleared an additional $2.95 million as a result of roster bonuses that won’t be paid.

Dunn was due to receive a $500,000 roster bonus. June was owed a $2 million roster bonus. Galloway was due to pocket a $250,000 roster bonus. And Hilliard had a $200,000 roster bonus due.

Thus, the Bucs cleared $12.45 million in total cap room, which possibly pushes their total cap bulge over $60 million.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Brooks = Stop gap. But the Skins are going to need some stop gaps over the next few years.

OL is the issue.

And for those who keep saying we were the #4 defense. Yes, but some stat measure, we were. But we rarely got sacks or turnovers, which are a big aspect of defense. Plus we gave up some awful drives at the end of games (Cincy, Ravens, dal, Rams) that were crushing.

Our defense was good, but a long way from elite. Even if the stats say we were the #4 defense, its a case of a stat not painting a clear picture.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

60 million, WOW. They could bring in Peppers, AND Haynesworth, and still have money left over....that would be quite the d-line...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

While I agree we need to get younger, hard/fast rulz are lame.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2009 2:46 PM |

Agreed! I, personally, have always benefited when the rules were not hard and fast but soft and slow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

you guys see where Goodell took a 20 percent pay cut? too bad Bud Selig's corpse can't do the same thing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 2:22 PM

Yeah so his salary fell from 12M to 9M. What a saint. There is no way him or Selig should be raking in as much as they do.


Derrick Brooks played the SAM and Cato June was the WILL LB in Tampa. Brooks has been very durable and I'd rather line up with him than HB Blades next year no doubt.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 25, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

poss, at least he took a pay cut. I mean, I understand he's over paid, but give the guy credit for what he did...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

gee, sure woulda been nice if Allen, the guy who had Tampa competitive for their division again this year while now being 60 million under the cap, really had come to D.C., but he wouldn't have fit well here, cause everybody knows here that you have to be over the cap at all times to have a shot at contending for 3rd in your division on an annual basis.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I would think Brooks could be a good stop gap LB, but he is undersized for the Sam LB the Skins need. Anyways, if they sign Haynesworth, theres no way they can afford much else on the FA market.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 25, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

You got it bean. I'll give Goodell a little credit. It's just funny to me how places can justify laying off people while someone at the top pulls in a salary like that.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 25, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Im leaning towards hoping the Haynesworth deal doesnt go through. I wouldnt mind the guy being on my team, but the potenial for being a bust at that price, with the Skins track record for FA busts... dont look good. They could trust the 2 young DT's they drafted to step up and contribute more this year, which could leave cap space to sign a stop gap LB, veteran DT/DE for rotational purposes and spend that pick on a young OL.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 25, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I have some thoughts on Haynesworth I will share, interesting info that I found. Any ways, an Jasno has been getting some pub from the ESPN. Unfortuately they don’t take him seriously enough to consider him a reporter, more of a “claimer,” fitting because this pudge doesn’t have real sources. From ESPN While Jason La Confora of The Washington Post claimed that "many people around Redskins Park say they would be surprised if the Skins spent the kind of money it would take to land"

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Spending all that $$$ for a DT, whether he's the real deal or not, just doesnt sit right. They need to improve on offense! Use your late pick(s) on defensive guys and/or pick up valuable veteran depth in FA.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 25, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

beantown

'...moe, you bringing needles down to aroid?...'

No sir. I'm actually replacing Curt Schilling's bloody tampon, er sock, or whatever it is that makes him the woman he is. :)))))))))

Speaking of same, I like the idea of Theo's move to get John Smoltz.

The thing is he can relieve if you need him to and he's still a quality starter.

The great Atlanta Braves pitchers of the '90s--who's left:

John Smoltz
Tom Glavine

Great players these guys.

The Red Sox interior defense is why they and the Rays will again surpass my beloved Yanks--despite the bats the pinstripers put on the field.

Cashman doesn't understand that good pitching and good defense beats good pitching and no defense every day.

Sorry for the non-football post..but hey, Griffin's been restructuring his deal for almost a day now.

How long does it take for ink and stupidity to dry?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Hope the FO has a plan with all these restructurings. They cant be banking on the potential for an uncapped year to unload BS contract/players... can they? I like Jansen and Griff, but the guys contracts are outweighing their contributions on the field.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 25, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Spending all that $$$ for a DT, whether he's the real deal or not, just doesnt sit right. They need to improve on offense!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

The factor you're missing is this: who on the market would be worth spending money on to improve our offense?

I see one player: Jason Brown. And only at the right price.

Nobody on offense, even Brown, compares to the impact Haynesworth would have. All the other offensive players are either old, injury prone, or simply not an upgrade over what we already have.

So to me, it's either spend money on Haynesworth, or don't spend any money at all. And I'm fine with the latter.

In either case, the focus for offense (particularly offensive line) should be focused squarely through the draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I say we do something different this year, with all the lineman we have lets just play a 5 man front with 2 linebackers and a extra CB or Safety on all downs.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 25, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with the line of thought that we need to draft/pickup some good young O-lineman, I do not think that anyone should rest any laurels on our defense having been ranked 4th overall, and therefore assuming that it does not need to pick up or draft any talent. While our defense was good, I don’t think that they actually scared anyone enough to deviate from their normal game plans….it would be nice to have opponents worry about someone coming up the middle like Haynesworth, or off the edge like an Orapko. As it stands now, the opposing offensive coordinators don’t give an SJK about how the defense was overall ranked last year; they just know that their QB’s will have all day to throw, the edge can be had in the rushing game, and the defense wears down more and more as the game and season goes on due to complete lack of depth. DL and LB are just as big of a need as the OL, in my humble opinion……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

moe, good stuff. Smotlz is one of those low risk, high reward, same with Brad Penny, I think. Yeah, the albatross that is julio lugo, just wont go away and stay away.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I personally can't stand his talk of stop gaps. Were either trying to win a chapionship or not. Dont go sign players so we can make 8-8. Signing Haynesworth is something you do if we are going to try and win a champioship in the next 3 years. trusting two tackles who are very good 2nd DTs but are not #1s is what you do if you arent trying to win. If were not going for it, we should stay quiet

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Greg, and us Astros fans are very happy that you now have the albatross known as Julio Lugo - of course, these days, Mr. Tejada isn't exactly a model player, either.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 25, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And if we don’t feel like we are going to win a championship this year, why are we keeping guys like Todd Collins, Springs and griffin. Collins is a backup QB who counts 3 mil against the cap. Realisticly we arenot going to win a title if Collins is ever needed, so why not save the money, and if Campbell gets hurt we get a top draft pick. Canty is a good signing because he is a very good player. Signing brooks or cato june is not because they are average enough to keep us mediocre but not good enough to get us any better

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No matter what happens, Haynesworth will not be able to live up to his contract. 16 million a year is two jason taylor's in their prime. While he may live up to his standards and become a beast for u, he iwll never live up to his contract, unless he can play at a probowl level at two different positions at the same time. not going to happen.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

60 million, WOW. They could bring in Peppers, AND Haynesworth, and still have money left over....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 25, 2009 3:01 PM

...for DeAngelo Hall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

DaFunBunch: "Realisticly we arenot going to win a title if Collins is ever needed, so why not save the money."

Funny thing is, the Skins got closer with Collins at QB than with Campbell. That wasn't a fluke, either; the guy took his one chance and ran with it. He was good enough that most of the veterans, like Fletcher and Springs, thought maybe they were going all the way.

Until Seattle, of course.

But that was then. Collins is what, 38? No future left. Sad, because he could really run that Al Saunders offense. The team had confidence in him, which they haven't always had in Jason Campbell (unfairly perhaps, because Jason is a good QB.)

If I were Vinny, I'd lobby for having Collins one more year. The Skins never learned to play Zorn's offense anyway. If Jason falters, or gets hurt, they might snap back with another run at the playoffs.

Collins will probably end up coaching some day.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

he iwll never live up to his contract, unless he can play at a probowl level at two different positions at the same time. not going to happen.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 4:09 PM

He`s playing DT on defense and RT on offense. He`s going to be the long snapper. He`s also going to the center of the field to call the coin toss. He`s incredible at this with an uncanny record of 12-4. This will win us at least two overtime games a year, if there are that many.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If I were Vinny, I'd lobby for having Collins one more year.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2009 4:16 PM

You dont have to lobby. His salary is guaranteed for this year so you pay him the same thing whether you cut him or keep him. He`s a fixture.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I still think the rumor mill is being used to up the ante for Haynesworth. That said, I'm sure he'll cause havoc next year wherever he winds up, even after his big payday. The only problem I have with him being in Burgundy and Gold is that it's really hard to justify spending that much money on one play maker, when we have so many wholes to fill.

For the money, I'd rather have two really good players, than one exceptional one.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 25, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"... the Skins got closer with Collins at QB than with Campbell. That wasn't a fluke, either..."

Yeah it wasn't a fluke because he had like 30 years in Al Saunders offense, and teams didn't have any game tape on the guy because he hadn't started a game since 1997 until those final four in '07.

If Jason goes down I say you start Colt Brennan over Collins, period. You know what you have in Collins already. Brennan will be in his second year next year, and I beleive that the front office isn't convinced Campbell is their guy, so why not play him in the event of a situation like that happening.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Because i have the time, on the topic of the Griffin restructuring, recall that both randle el and carter got ridiculously long extensions that included an out clause for the team aftr this or next season that was really cap friendly, ie most of the guaranteed money owed to them is due befor the clause so these renegotiations ar basically freeing us from tehir contracts in the next two seasons

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 25, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If Jason goes down I say you start Colt Brennan over Collins, period.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2009 4:34 PM |

Do you think that they watch these guys during practice at Redskins Park to get an idea which one would give them a better chance of winning?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Carolina franchised Peppers to keep him away from Bucs. They are going to make offer for Hayneswork. Cato June turns 30 this year and was on Indy's SB team not Tampa's.

Skins should make an offer for him, good SAM and good character person (i.e. locker room chemistry)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 25, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

also look for Bucs to not sell out their season ticket base for first time since they moved into RayJay.

And Skins play them @ home this year. Darn I could have gotten tickets to the game for sure this time

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 25, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

June plays Tampa 2..........

Not what Redskins run primarily....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

and another thing, Bucs will make play for TJ Whoseyourmomma too. Not that we need more WR ob the roster (when we can draft them so easily)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Bucs will make play for TJ Whoseyourmomma too.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 25, 2009 4:50 PM

This is a good thing. Keep him away from Philly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"If Jason goes down I say you start Colt Brennan over Collins, period.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2009"

Trade Brennan for a pick (they need these far more than they need yet another pre-season wonder), then get Byron Leftwich in FA to compete head-to-head with Jason. May the best 1st round pick win and runner up can be the back-up.

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

TE

I'm hoping with all the cap space they have down here, they keep the best FA's away from Cowgirls, Beagles and Gint

Bucs have 1 semi-proven WR -- Antonio Bryant and M.Stovall everyone else was cut or is UFA

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 25, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with the line of thought that we need to draft/pickup some good young O-lineman, I do not think that anyone should rest any laurels on our defense having been ranked 4th overall"

Normally you that would be any team's plan. However, we are speaking about the Washington Redskins. The O-line is completely depleted, to the point that they were a laughing stock in the Ravens game. And they have only 4 picks thanks to some "way keen-o" "savvy" moves by our GM and his assistant (Snidely and Vinnie). They must attempt to rebuild the o-line with youth now before its too late and they not only lose games but key skill players like quarterbacks ...

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Our defense was good, but a long way from elite. Even if the stats say we were the #4 defense, its a case of a stat not painting a clear picture.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009"

They also beat Philadelphia (the runner for NFC conference winner) and beat the Cardinals the NFC conference winner. They did not beat the Steelers, superbowl winner. They lost to the Ravens. Both teams finished above them defensively along with the Titans.

I think they just need a couple of FA pickups. Sounds like they will replace Washington with Taylor? Seems like a good move on paper. Springs to safety? An improvement. Hall signs and starts along with Carlos. Another improvement.

We'll have to see how it goes.

But the OL is a disaster waiting to happen. It needs all the help it can get.

Posted by: periculum | February 25, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

haha, lav coles just got cut by the jets.
COLES GETS CUT
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2009, 5:08 p.m. EST
The Jets have parted ways with receiver Laveranues Coles, for the second time in his career.

Six years ago, the end came (temporarily) when Coles jumped to the Redskins as a restricted free agent. This time around, the Jets cut Coles loose despite owing him a guaranteed base salary of $6 million in 2009.

According to Dave Hutchinson of the Newark Star-Ledger, Coles wanted a long-term deal. The Jets opted instead to give him a chance to find one elsewhere. If he doesn’t Coles could return.

“We didn’t leave on bad terms,” Coles told Hutchinson. ”It’s not out of the question that I could come back.”

Coles didn’t get a new deal apparently because new coach Rex Ryan has adoped a policy of not giving veterans who are in their second contracts a new deal before the agreement has expired.

Still, it seems odd that the Jets would merely let Coles walk, when they owe him $6 million regardless of whether he’s on the team. The move results in no cap savings, and it forces the Jets to pay someone else (Marvin Harrison?) to replace Coles.

Perhaps the team decided that it wasn’t worth having Coles complain about his situation. While former coach Eric Mangini had no qualms about engaging players in a test of wills, it looks like Ryan won’t tolerate potential distractions — even if it means periodically creating the impression that the player got his “way.”

Despite the possibility that Coles will be back in New York, we also think he’ll try to reunite with his pal Chad Pennington, who was dumped by the Jets last summer as part of the Brett Favre fustercluck experiment.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | February 25, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

peri -- point was the Skins defense isn't #4. Maybe 8-10th in the league. Good, not great. I mentioned several games where the 'd' was a problem at the end. The 'd' won the 2nd philly game, but almost gave it back -- no one from our defense was close to their wr when he dropped an easy TD. and we stopped them inside our 1 yard line on the last play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Stompy McStomps-a-lot has 18 careers passes defended in 7 seasons. Jason Taylor has 81 in 12 seasons. If we are going to sign a 15mil/year FA he should bat down at least one ball per game.... Batted balls will spell the end of Tony Romo - you heard it hear first. McNabb will slow down soon due to natural causes. And there's only one way to stop Eli: Bat his balls.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato mentioned on Redskins Nation last week that the Skins were keeping a close eye on 3 key measurements for defensive propects at the Combine...Height, Reach & Vertical leap.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 25, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Evryone that wanted DJ Hackett last year can start salivating again, he got cut.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and Cornelius in the middle (wall of frozen meat) obviously improves the defensive end play, and the Skins D goes from #4 to #1 ... two DTs each draw double teams and at least ONE of Carter or Taylor must be able to break through ... but still seems like serious problems remain on the O-line ... seems very "Snyderian" though ... in a plashy way. Formidable defense (who needs linebackers. Very much "win now" ... except for the inevitable season-ending injuries in the preseason for both Haynesworth and Cornelius.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

seems very "Snyderian" though ... in a plashy way.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2009 5:34 PM |

It would be another short-sighted, impetuous move by the man who said that Gibbs had taught him patience. Unfortunately, Snyder isn`t patient enough to practice patience, except in the case of Vinnie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

My kingdom for an update/new thread...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

My kingdom for an update/new thread...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2009 6:05 PM

Patience, Jack, like we learned from Gibbs. Friday, this stuff will be flying. Rest today and tomorrow. You probably won`t believe what happens Friday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Glad the 'SKINS are retaining GRIFFIN. I'll believe HAYNESWORTH when I see him on the field. But as I have called for his butt in burgandy and gold, I'm all for it. DANNY will have to pay him under the table with a personal services contract to beat the salary-cap however. Looks like we retain ROGERS and tell SPRINGS to hit the trail unless the Me-HALL negotiations hit a snag. Now that's a contract which I hope never gets done. I'd rather have SPRINGS part-time than HALL anytime even at 8 mill....

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

So now I have to be moderated? Jeeze.

Don't think the Redskins need to spend big draft picks or FA $ on the DL. Last year's defense was more than adequate (10th in points allowed). They didn't get many turnovers, but it's not a given that a better pass rush will increase picks. For example, Dallas lead the league in sacks, yet had only 1 more pick than the Redskins.

Where they need lots of help is in SCORING POINTS. They were 28th. Only 3 plays over 40 yards. Only 1 rush over 30 yards. A serious lack of game-breaking plays.

Offense was adequate in yards/carry, and passing efficiency was also good, so it's not a matter of execution per se. They need to improve the O-line, and hope that their receivers will start getting open on crossing and seam routes.

Those 8 yard digs are killing them.

So, it's difficult to see how Haynesworth or any other DL can improve the offense's ability to score points. I just don't think the turnovers will increase enough to get that done.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 25, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Send that kingdom to me in care of the Post, zjfr2. beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 25, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth can obviously wreak havoc in the middle of the line." Dude can also wreak havoc on the buffet line as well. It is only a matter of time before he blimps out to Jabba the Hutt dimensions. He may still clog up the middle but they will need a fork loader to get him on and off the field.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 25, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

redmv: "Yeah it [Todd Collins' performance] wasn't a fluke because he had like 30 years in Al Saunders offense, and teams didn't have any game tape on the guy because he hadn't started a game since 1997 until those final four in '07."

In other words, it wasn't a fluke.

I thought I said that.

Collins got the time in a scheme that most QBs need, but never seem to get. And he was able to take advantage of opponents because of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Last thing Skins need is someone with character issues.

Pass on Haynesworth; draft Raji,,,, Bring in some good value FA OL. Draft some LBs in later rounds...

Posted by: oldnova | February 25, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

peri -- point was the Skins defense isn't #4. Maybe 8-10th in the league. Good, not great. I mentioned several games where the 'd' was a problem at the end. The 'd' won the 2nd philly game, but almost gave it back -- no one from our defense was close to their wr when he dropped an easy TD. and we stopped them inside our 1 yard line on the last play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What kind of sad ignorant schmuckery is this??? Are you serious?

So in that Philly game where our offense only put up 10 points and 7 of those came when the D turned the ball over and put it in the Philly red zone- you are saying that the DEFENSE almost blew it???

In which other games did our D "fail us: at the end??? The Dallas game that we lost 14-10 when we had a better turnover margin and couldn't score after the first drive???

Was our defense the problem against the Ravens when our offense turned it over 3x, twice in the 1st quarter and one of them resulted in a TD to put us in a 14-0 hole early???

Just b/c we are not the 2000 Ravens doesn't mean the D wasn't worthy of being ranked 4th. Our D played GREAT last year.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not usually a big fan of the Skins "build through free agency approach" -- still I think it's significant that Haynesworth is an unrestricted free agent. The Skins sacrifice some cap space, but with the way the cap and contracts are structured in the NFL, if the deal goes south they can cut their losses and dump the contract.

The reality is that the Skins will be lucky to get two quality years out of Haynesworth. Once he gets paid he's going to lose some of the hunger that younger players have. Health and off the field issues are something too. Still it's a gamble that the team should take, because he is arguably the best NT in the game -- and probably will be for at least another year or two.

The Skins still need to get a real GM in place -- that's the big thing.

As a side note, what's up with Snyder's meeting with Haynesworth's agent before he has officially filed? If the reports are true, and I was with the Titans, I would be up and arms over that. Definitely has the appearance of tampering. The noises about numbers too before the free agency period seem like they could create some problems too. Even if it's a case of an agent just floating numbers out trying to bid up his player's contract, the circumstantial side of the equation -- the meeting with Snyder, the contract restructuring, etc, could suggest that the agent, or whoever the source is, isn't pulling numbers out of thin air.

Posted by: JPRS | February 25, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

at least AH is young and had some good games against strong competition.

I still don't agree with signing him, I'd rather we find an AH type out of college, pay him peanuts and then get compensational draft picks when he signs elsewhere as a restricted free agent.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | February 26, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or has anybody else seen the Univ. of Tennessee connection between Shuler and Haynesworth?

Posted by: aheckel1950 | February 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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