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Griffin's Deal Saves $3 Million in Cap Space

Jason Reid rand Jason La Canfora report:

We've been telling you about the Redskins' efforts to rework the contracts of key veterans in their annual effort to create room under the salary cap and the restructuring of defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin's contract has been completed.

Griffin was scheduled to have a base salary of $4.2 million next season, and he agreed to lower his 2009 number to $1.334 million while receiving more money up front in a bonus and having a few more seasons tacked on to the end of his deal, which now runs through 2014 (it was supposed to end next season).

We're still waiting on all the details, which we'll post as soon as we get them. For cap purposes, however, the Redskins probably saved close to $3 million on the 2009 cap of $127 million.

By Cindy Boren  |  February 26, 2009; 12:05 PM ET
 
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First, we say "good luck" to Haynesworth and offer to fly him anywhere he wants to go, except Washington, on Redskins One. Then we get serious about free agency.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

RAVENS CUT OFF TALKS WITH JASON BROWN
Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2009, 12:06 p.m. EST
Albert Breer of SportingNews.com reports, at the PFT safe haven site, that the Baltimore Ravens have cut off talks with free-agent-to-be Jason Brown.

Specifically, the Ravens have informed Brown that the player isn’t in their plans for 2009.

Brown, a center in Baltimore, could also play guard with a new team.

One team that reportedly will be sniffing around Brown come midnight (if not earlier . . . if not already) is the Dolphins. Last year, Miami had a deal with guard Justin Smiley less than 30 minutes into the free-agency period. This year, Brown could be the next guy to negotiate a multi-multi-million-dollar contract from scratch, with no advance discussion or dialogue or communication of any kind, within an hour after the period for having permissible discussion or dialogue or communication of any kind begins.

Now this is the guy I would sign.

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers don't underestimate the value of free agents. They simply rarely sign any to large contracts.

Does you really think the Steelers would even consider Chris Canty for a 5 year, $40 million contract?

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 11:58 AM

You're right...undervalue would be the more operative word.

They don't just operate that way because they're cheap. They operate that way because when you have a good coaching staff you trust with the development of your players, you can build that team almost exclusively with the draft so that the players learn your way of doing things and you don't have guys from other teams saying "this ain't how did it back in (insert former team here)". And the Steelers are in the playoffs just about every year. At what point to the Skins say, "Haynesworth is a helluva player, but he's just not a Redskin". I just wonder if the Skins would grade Haynesworth as high if he was a Redskin all along or if you Haynesworth supporters would be so hot to keep him here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

You guys are BYGOs! Good thing too, cause up here, anything can happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 26, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys, we don't even know at what tender Montgomery and Gohlston were offered, so there is no telling at this point what would be the Skins compensation if they were to sign with another team.

My guess is they were atleast offered a 3rd round tender if not higher...

4th

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 12:07 PM

4th--Either you offer enough for a first round pick or a second round pick. There is no third round tender. And Post reported that they offered a "low tender" so that means we get to match the other team's offer and, if we don't, they have to give us the pick that we used -- 5th round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It looks like we will have enough Cap room now to Sign AH and Vick!! AH under center with Vick and portis in the wishbone!!!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 26, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TWISI...if it came down to a choice, I would take Jason Brown over Haynesworth every day of the week. Word is that dude excels against 3-4 teams because he's got the beef to put up against those big nose tackles. If the Skins sign Brown I promise a sweep of Dallas next year...you heard it here first.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 26, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

why not bring in 3 or 4 solid pieces through FA and forget the big name Haynesworth. We aren't one player away, but if we could bring in Dockery and maybe another OL just for competition/depth, then bring in...maybe....Lavarneus Coles (yeah I said it), and a DE or LB.

If we can get 4 guys for the same price of 1 Albert Haynesworth, I think we should do it.

Then draft high, hope Andre Smith falls, pick up a quick RB/PR in the late rounds, and we're on the way to THE MOTHERLOVING SUPERBOWL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 26, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry TE. Haynesworth is already shopping for house and checking out the new night life. The girl form WUSA Sports who does Redskins productions as well spoke to HAynesworth yesterday....FOR A WHOLE FREAKIN HOUR!


http://www.wusa9.com/life/community/persona.aspx?U=7acf7f6c5310425ca3a727327c71ae6e&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=7acf7f6c5310425ca3a727327c71ae6e&plckPostId=Blog%3a7acf7f6c5310425ca3a727327c71ae6ePost%3a5c9e9176-5e14-4e53-a449-26bd84fb8dce&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

Decisions, decisions. Albert Haynesworth still doesn't know where he'll land when the free agent market opens this Friday, but the defensive tackle is heavily weighing several options. Aside from Washington, Tennessee, and Tampa, the Giants may also be in the mix.

I spoke with Haynesworth for almost an hour this evening and he truly is torn about where the right fit for him will be. Ironically, he spent much of the conversation grilling me about life in Washington and what the Redskins are like.
Being in the position he's in, he can't help but hear what people are saying about his worth, and he says he's looking forward to the opportunity to prove he's worth it.
"The money is great, but getting the naysayers off my back is better," Haynesworth said. "The team I'm gonna pick, that gives me the money I get, I want to prove I'm worth every penny to teammates, to coaches, fans and the naysayers."
Haynesworth has said he wants to become the highest paid defensive player in the league, but wants to stress that is NOT his top priority.
"It's not about the money, it's about being great."
A Houston Chronicle report said the Skins were willing to give Haynesworth a deal worth more than 100 million. But the Bucs also have change to spare. Today Tampa made massive cuts, releasing five players including Pro Bowlers Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn.
While Haynesworth ponders what's next for him, he expects he'll make up his mind pretty soon after the free agency market opens up.

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Well you can count me in as trying to avoid these types of contracts:

-Andre Carter
-Antwaan Randle El
-Adam Archuleta
-Brandon Lloyd

or hell, even:

-Dan Wilkinson

All of these players were either disappointments or role players on their teams. NONE of them had done anything to merit the contracts they received. All of them were "young" and had "potential" written all over them. None of them worked out positively.

I can handle gambling on a "Dana Stubblefield" (or Clinton Portis) because at least those types of players have proven they can at least be dominant in the league. Yes it's a gamble, but if this team is dead-set on gambling in free agency, it better be for somebody proven.

Chris Canty and a majority of the free agents this year fit the first description. (Hall doesn't, and I wouldn't mind re-signing him. But if it's between him and Big Al, I'm taking AH.)

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope the skins dont sign AH at all....I would rather pick up two maybe three good starters on the O-Line like guards D. Dockery and maybe Elton Brown from arizona then paying someone with a questionable attitude and desire like Albert H. The 15 million he wants could be spent other areas of need because oh yeah we already have a top 5 defense

Posted by: hillb03 | February 26, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me where we even supposedly stand with cap space?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 26, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"If we can get 4 guys for the same price of 1 Albert Haynesworth, I think we should do it.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

I agree. IF it were possible to get 4 upgrades for the same price as Haynesworth.

If Vinny could pull that off, consider it magic, because that's something that will be very, very, very hard to do.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me where we even supposedly stand with cap space?

Posted by: GreatOne1

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Reports are saying between 12 and 14 million under the cap.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Only reason the Giants would be in the AH race is to drive up the price! They don't need anyone one the front 4.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 26, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

4th--Either you offer enough for a first round pick or a second round pick. There is no third round tender. And Post reported that they offered a "low tender" so that means we get to match the other team's offer and, if we don't, they have to give us the pick that we used -- 5th round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 12:17 PM

They didn't say they were offered the lowest offer. They just said 'Low'. So more details would have to come out. I would think they offered the 2nd round tender for only $500K more to at least one of them.

This year, Montgomery will beast out.......

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Best way to build your team. Unfortunately, this will never be us.
"Free agency in general throws a lot of things off," says Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff, who hit a home run in free agency last year by landing running back Michael Turner and secured another key piece to the franchise's amazing turnaround by drafting quarterback Matt Ryan with the third pick overall.

"When you look at it from a business perspective and you look at our cap, ultimately that's not how we want to personally build. We want to stress the draft. To throw double-digit millions in guaranteed money and a high average-per-year money into a player who is not a part of your system and coming from another situation, that really has me back on my heels a little bit, to be honest with you."

Posted by: will_ga | February 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me how the Houston Chronicle knows that we're willing to give Haynesworth $100 million? I mean, I skim thru THAT sports section and read the Post online to get my Skins news!

And hi again everyone! took some time off once the season ended...

Posted by: suzannepdc | February 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think if Taylor restructures, Haynesworth will be on Redskin 1. Imagine if Springs is let go, Taylor restructures, and we don't get Haynesworth....we could really improve a number of positions.

Posted by: mntb316 | February 26, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It would be a big mistake to sign Haynesworth. The reason is the same as when the Yankees sign big name FAs - their best years are behind them and that is what you are paying for. With Haynesworth you would be lucky to get two years of beastial play at best. DT, along with RB, is the biggest burnout position there is. It takes a lot out of you to have to push against OL to get pile movement. With RBs, every tackle is an opportunity for a mauling. Speaking of RBs, if they sign him, in a couple of years he and Portis will be sucking up half the cap space in the FO and plenty of pond scum on the field.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

are u F'N kidding me? chasing haynesorth and hall??? keeping taylor with no talk of paycut?

what happened to fiscal responsibility, what happened to finding value, what happened to parameters...

its like going to a real estate auction knowing you can only bid $100k on a house and then getting caught up in all the excitement walking out of there just having spent $400k...

haynesworth woudl be nice but not at the price...same with hall...when we arleady have carlos...carlos had the best season of his career coming off major need surgery with a rededication to his technique, reads and mental aspects of his game...they say it takes 2 years to come back from and injury like that and with another solid off season focusing on the non physical aspects of the game he should be even better...he still drops balls but now catches more and can improve on that...sure hall has big play ability but he give up big plays and is a powder keg waiting to go off...carlos can play the slot...hall cant...for the money...its a no brainer...

and taylor...would love to have the guy...not at all upset about the trade for him given the circumstance...but 8mil to try it again? no f'n way...cut the guy...and then try to resign him for his tru market value like u are doing with everyone else who did contribute last year...

all i can say is this better be a bluff, a smoke screen and mirrors or its more of the same!!!

value propositions...

canty not haynesworth...rodgers not hall...

find the value...sounds like tis going to be a buyers market in the second wave for those who are patient...so we have to sit out the first wave and then make our killing intelligently in the second wave...

can i get an AMEN!!! seeing as how i couldnt get one last night in Terp Town....

Posted by: deadskin | February 26, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking of RBs, if they sign him, in a couple of years he and Portis will be sucking up half the cap space in the FO and plenty of pond scum on the field.

Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Nope. In a couple years (after 2010), the Redskins will have in excess of $50 million in cap figures taken off the roster, with the possiblity of greater than $60 million (both numbers relative to this years cap), and Portis will be able to be cut with zero net loss. So no, they (AH and Portis) won't even be close to "sucking up half the cap space).

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

We all know the Skins always get everyone they target. When was the last time they got outbid for a player they really wanted?

A.H. is coming. So is Canty. And Dockery. Hall or his equivalent. Taylor Moves to LB and situational pass rusher. Springs moves to Free Safety. Both get extensions to lower their cap number.

O-Line next year: Samuels, Dockery, Jansen (he worked at center last pre-season), Thomas, and Smith (1st rounder).

Posted by: Snydersucks | February 26, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"canty not haynesworth...

"find the value"

Posted by: deadskin

Chris Canty, a career role-player who was surrounded by pro-bowlers for the worst defense in the division, at $8 million per year is not a value over Haynesworth, a 2-time first team all-pro and leader for the defense that led his team to the best record in football, at $16 million per year. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

We have enough cap room to sign Haynesworth, Dockery, and a quality LB.................

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Lance Zierlien from the Houston Chronicle has some pretty sketchy but high placed sources around the league is what I understand...people that Jasno wouldn't even know existed - like gambling swells, and such - not to say they are GOOD sources, just where it's rumored that Zierlien gets his info

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 26, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

'When you look at it from a business perspective and you look at our cap, ultimately that's not how we want to personally build. We want to stress the draft. To throw double-digit millions in guaranteed money and a high average-per-year money into a player who is not a part of your system and coming from another situation, that really has me back on my heels a little bit, to be honest with you.'

Posted by: will_ga | February 26, 2009"

Great post with the Dimitrov quote.

From the beginning Snidely was in a rush to win. He fired Norv with a team that still had a chance to make the playoffs. His free agent signings under Norv were a great example of his fantasy approach to team building. Marty brought things back under cap control for a year. Then the Snidely and Vinnie show started again ... but without the nucleus that Norv had built. Eventually the team eroded into a laughingstock and then Gibbs came back.

He still has the nucleus that Gibbs and Greg Williams built. He still has a great defense led by Greg Blache. In spite of bad moves such as getting Erasmus James. The Taylor move may turn out to be a good one if he restructures. The guy is healthy and may find his way to a linebacker spot in Blache's defense. But given his age, for how long? The Hall deal signing looks good as well but without Shawn Springs and Rogers this is a defensive backfield that will likely get burned against the better teams. They still need to replace Springs (who did a better than expected job replacing Champ Bailey). Noting that both Springs and Hall are "LOCALS". If you can't have guys who "grew up in your system" the next best thing would be locals from the area. The "Gary Clark". Its why I am a big proponent for signing Byron Leftwich. I believe he may excel just because he would be playing for his local team. Providing the perfect competition for Jason Campbell.

My guess at this point is GM Snidely is going to take a 2-pronged approach. He is going to help the defense through free agency. And help the OL through the draft. I suspect he will use most of the draft picks on OL, eschewing other players. I can't see how any other approach would work after signing a Hall and Haynesworth for the defense.

IN the end Snidely still believes he can win now. He is approach is pure George Allen without the caginess, and Allen's defensive coaching mind. The Future Is Now. But it never comes, or just like Allen, it comes close but never quite seems to make it all the way.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard about potential cuts the skins might be making today?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 26, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that all the posters who were ripping the redskins for not signing dockery 2 years ago have shut up.....we c an get robert royal back to mentor sleepy davis too

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Just a question

What if the players we get actually play great and live up to their contracts?

What if?

That is a possibility right?

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 26, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

good news about the ravens not being in the running for Jason Brown. could it be possible that the team could get both Brown and Dockery? I don't think dock will be looking for a huge deal.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 26, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

drewkinnear

Yep ur right. People say one thing then come back and jump on the bus now...

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 26, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

RI got sources in every city. Thanks John.

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Jason Brown would be a great acquisition. Raymer was getting blown up a LOT last year, and Brown would be a great addition. Personally, I'd sign Brown and Dockery before Haynesworth, then address OT through the draft, with DL third priority in the draft and FA.

The Redskins defense, already playoff-caliber, will get better when they can play with a lead. Yeah, they gave up 2 big passes for last-second GW FG to STL and SFO,but with Horten having another year of experience, I think at least one of those doesn't happen.

Long term, Dockery, Brown, a rookie OT, Heyer, lay the groundwork for a OL that can be good for years, allowing the Redskins to address defense in the next couple of off-seasons.

I just have to disagree with some of you guys about Haynesworth in particular, and the defense in general. Improving it will not change the Redskins into a SB contender, nor does it build for the future.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 26, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

drewkinnear

Yep ur right. People say one thing then come back and jump on the bus now...

Posted by: 1skinfan

I don't have a problem with people coming back and jumping on the bus. But say you were wrong (cough JLC). I remember Dock being let go was blasted by JLC and others. None of whom has posted today that they were wrong and the Skins were smart for letting him walk.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 26, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

lets get dockery, robert royal, coles, marcus mason, and leigh torrance!!!
all former greats that the FO was crapped on for letting go, yet all are on the market? How does this add up?

Surely these other front offices have made mistakes in letting such great talents like coles who had two tds a year in the same system that #89 broke the cowboys backs for 2 TD's in the 4th qtr and set a redskins recieving record. or torrance who was torched by a rookie against the rams.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that all the posters who were ripping the redskins for not signing dockery 2 years ago have shut up.....we c an get robert royal back to mentor sleepy davis too

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 12:58 PM

The Facts and only the Facts.

That year, because we took the LColes $9Mil Dead Money Cap HIt, we couldn't resign Dockery for the money he was looking for and got.

Gibbs 2.0 offered a contract for less money than what Buffalo was offering....

4th

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I think signing Dockery would be a good move ... for the right price. However, I would still try to find a way to get both a starting left tackle in the 1st round and Alex Mack. They desperately need a real tackle as I suspect Samuels may now have eroded from a pro bowl left tackle to a pro bowl right tackle. But Mack could be the center and lynch pin for this line for years to come.

LT (1st rounder) LG Dockery
Heyer Rhinehart
RT Samuels RG Thomas
Jensen Kendall
C Mack
Rabach

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"are u F'N kidding me? chasing haynesorth and hall??? keeping taylor with no talk of paycut?"


Ear Muffs! Ear Muffs!

Posted by: isnadd | February 26, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Give me Jason Brown, Antonio Smith/Chris Canty, Nate Washington, and Andre Smith.

Use picks 3, 5, 6 on Guards/DTs.

Call it a night.

We can hide Randy Thomas and our LG's ineptitude if they are sandwiched between Samuels, Brown, and Smith.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 26, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

beep beep...stretch those hammies and stay nimble.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 26, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

per,
Can I ask how we will get a LT at 13 and then get Mack, when we don't have a pick until the 3rd round.

Mack will be gone late 1st early second.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 26, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 offered a contract for less money than what Buffalo was offering...

I meant to say for Robert Royal...

Posted by: RightWay | February 26, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

lets get dockery, robert royal, coles, marcus mason, and leigh torrance!!!
all former greats that the FO was crapped on for letting go, yet all are on the market? How does this add up?

Surely these other front offices have made mistakes in letting such great talents like coles who had two tds a year in the same system that #89 broke the cowboys backs for 2 TD's in the 4th qtr and set a redskins recieving record. or torrance who was torched by a rookie against the rams.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 1:05 PM

What are you saying, that signing Dockery would be a mistake?

I don't see how. He played here; those same guys are still starters, he isn't a scrub and he'll be an upgrade over what we already have.

There is no downside in signing Derrick Dockery. Do it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 26, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The asshat Mike Florio, who started this whole Albert Haynesworth to the Redskins for $15-$16 million dollars a year without even trying to explain how they were going to "create" this kind of cap room for one player, last season predicted in The Sporting News that the Steelers would not make the playoffs and the Titans would finish last in their division (they won the AFC's top seed). The Giants, he predicted, also would miss the postseason; they won the NFC's first seed. On his Web site Pro Football Talk, Florio added that Atlanta made "a major mistake" by drafting Matt Ryan; Ryan was Offensive Rookie of the Year.

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 26, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

who cares about the cap hit, we got a much more dynamic less whiny player in moss when we did that trade

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

not saying siging dockery is a mistake, not at all ust find it ironic that a player the skins were ripped for not resigning is already back on the market

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 26, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Estimates of 12-14M in currently available cap space appear to be accurate.

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a.html

These estimates take into account the projected increase in the cap to 127M. It also assumes we sign Hall, AH, rookies and our own key free agents. After doing all that we still are approximately 2M under. And if we are able to sign Hall, Springs will almost surely be cut saving another 6M and leaving us 8M under the cap.

Point is it can be done. Question is do we want it to be done.

Posted by: wsncskinsfan | February 26, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess our FO staff are the direct descendants of the Indians who gave up their land for the sparkly trinkets.They lose interest in value and common sense once something pretty and shiny is flashed in front of them. They oohh and aahh and say we must have this no matter what the cost. Then they will hold triumphant meetings so all can behold the beauty of their new sparklies. Then months later the luster will have worn off and the sparkle will be gone and these Redskins, like those Indians, will be screwed once again.

Posted by: will_ga | February 26, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you really want cap room. Release both Jason Taylor and Shawn Springs. Draft a pass rusher and we have enough defensive backs. We need youth and speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH! Lets not forget about a GM!!!!!!!

Posted by: eztiger44 | February 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Just say no, Dan. We don't need no stinkin' Haynesworth for mucho dinero. Sign Hall, and shop around for offensive and defensive linemen that become available. Why put all of your huevoes in one basket by signing Haynesworth?

By the way, I really like the idea of Dockery coming back to the Skins. Call me nostalgic, but would like to see the big guy back in the fold. Having Dock and Samuels bull-dozing linemen for Portis again would be great - and, as an added bonus, he can practice all week unlike Kendall. Let's hear it for continuity on the o-line!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

we should have gotten rid of everyone that did less than expected (griffin,are,carter,taylor). Think of the kind of money we could have to get more top tier free agents not just one or two. Besides do we really want dockery? To me he is just another greedy man who took the money and didnt live up to it. Like buffalo just learned you cant go by one good season. Just like the old saying even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. That could be dockery's last season with us

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

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