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Gruden speaks of turmoil but not of job (updated)

The "Monday Night Football" crew is in town for tonight's Eagles-Redskins game, but don't expect any Jon Gruden news to break this afternoon.

Much of the head coaching speculation surrounding the Redskins has focused on Gruden, along with Super Bowl winners Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Bill Cowher.
The MNF crew appeared at an afternoon luncheon -- ESPN's Chalk Talk series -- today for about 300 invited guests and fans.

Gruden, the former Tampa Bay Bucs coach who's in his first season as an "MNF" analyst, was not made available for media interviews.

Speaking to the audience, though, Gruden did acknowledge the Redskins are a team in turmoil.

"I don't care who calls plays tonight for the Redskins, they have turmoil," he said, adding that as a coach, he hated playing such teams. "They're going to come out fighting," he said of the Redskins.

Luncheon tweets

In other news out of the luncheon (tweeted by Maese and Paul Tenorio with a fork in one hand and a Blackberry in the other) ...

Ron Jaworski: Haynesworth "can take over a football game." ... Brian Orakpo a tremendous football player who could be a dominant player in the NFL

Gruden: The Redskins "have players, there's fuel in the tank they just need to light the match."

Gruden on the Redskins: "If they can get some positive momentum on offense, they can be a heck of a football team."

Jaworski calls London Fletcher one of the most remarkable defensive players in league.

[Fyi, Duff from Ace of Cakes is at the luncheon and, frankly, I've never seen Tenorio or Maese this happy before.]

By Rick Maese  |  October 26, 2009; 1:18 PM ET
 
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sweet, come out fighting

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 26, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Although I see no point to this, I'll say FIRST haha

Posted by: MadeRED | October 26, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

what do you expect him to say JReid...

"...i don't care who is calling the plays for the redskins, b/c they won't be calling plays for me next year!!!"

Posted by: carsonspence | October 26, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I guess, there is no point, especially when I wasn't actually first. But, anyways, Gruden knows the whole world expects him to be a finalist for Zorn's job, so I expect nothing too polarizing from him tonght.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 26, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"They're going to come out fighting," he said of the Redskins.


Of course they will.

But for how long?

If the iggles put 14 points up on the board early, and the redskin offense is deader, how much fight do you expect the defense to maintain?

Not much.

The iggles will unleash the hounds.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

What if Gruden gets frustrated half way through the game, goes over to the Coaches Booth, grabs the headset from Sherm, and proceeds to call the rest of the game ....

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 26, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"But anyways, Gruden knows the whole world expects him to be a finalist for Zorn's job..."


Why would Gruden give up what looks like a 'cushy' high profile tv gig to coach?

He'll never coach again.

And I don't blame him.

The skins would do well to be on the lookout of the happenings in titansland or see if a big name comes their way.

The next coach has got to be someone big enough to get what he wants: control.

Otherwise, another innocent Zorn-type will leave us where we already are.

No where.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Monday Night Football" analyst Ron Jaworski takes a look at the turmoil surrounding the Washington Redskins:

A lot has been said about the play calling for the Washington Redskins this year. Sherman Lewis has been brought in to handle these duties so Jim Zorn can concentrate on all the other things an NFL head coach has to deal with. To me, that's an overreaction. There is nothing wrong with the play calling in Washington. The problem is execution.

Quarterback Jason Campbell is not playing well. He is missing open receivers. Campbell right now is not able to clearly see what is happening when he looks over the line of scrimmage. It's a deadly situation for an offense when the QB is not able to read and react effectively. I've seen a lot of dropped balls, too.

Another problem is the regression of running back Clinton Portis. The offensive line is making good blocks and getting Portis to the second level of the defense. The old Portis would make an initial 3-yard gain into an explosive 20- or 30-yard play. He's not doing that anymore, so Washington's running game does not scare anyone, making it harder on Campbell and the passing game.

Lewis has been away from pro football for five years, and this is a game that changes weekly. To solve a defense week in and week out, you have to be intimately aware of your own offense's strengths and weaknesses. Lewis simply has not had time to even learn his own team. I don't see how his play calling will be significantly better than Zorn's. I see this whole thing ending badly.

Zorn is not blameless. The Redskins have talent and are a good team. But they are not playing good football. I watch the coach's tape each week for all the teams and see all 22 players on every play. Many Redskins players do not give a maximum effort. That is something to be laid at the feet of the head coach. I'd take him to task for that, not the play calling.

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess, there is no point, especially when I wasn't actually first. But, anyways, Gruden knows the whole world expects him to be a finalist for Zorn's job, so I expect nothing too polarizing from him tonght.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 26, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

_____________________

I could see him being pretty critical of Zorn.

I don't know if it would make too much difference if he made polarizing comments though, since Marty did the same thing leading up to Snyder hiring him.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Why would Gruden give up his cushy TV job to be a head coach?

Good question. The answer is that because he loves being a head coach, a lot more than he loves doing TV.

Maybe, like Madden, he likes doing TV better. But if he gives it up, that's why.

Dumass.

Next question?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The next coach has got to be someone big enough to get what he wants: control.

Otherwise, another innocent Zorn-type will leave us where we already are.

No where.

Posted by: MistaMoe

That's true but that TV gig ain't paying him 5 million a year and he does have the clout to have veto power in personnel decisions.

Posted by: dcwun | October 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

RE: Bradford. I wonder if he doesn't fall further than the draft guys are saying right now. I don't know if I'd want to risk a high pick and millions of $$$ on a guy who won't be healthy until right before the draft. Obviously have to see how his rehab plays out but I wonder if he doesn't fall out of the first round.

Posted by: skinswest | October 26, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

johndinhouston

"...What if Gruden gets frustrated half way through the game, goes over to the Coaches Booth, grabs the headset from Sherm, and proceeds to call the rest of the game ...."


This will work up until he sees that Brad Johnson, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstot, Joey Galloway, and Ike Hilliard aren't playing on offense for him.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, "turmoil."

That's what's keeping this team from being good.

Not that they're old and suck.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

really corky, care to tell me why the fire-fighters union around here wont sign off on their new contract if there is drug testing in it??

How about the teachers union who wants pay raises in what could at best be described as a recession??

I have TONS of friends who are union plumbers/electricians, and even they can admit that the union is a joke....

Yeah, sorry to disagree with you there, but unions are a complete WASTE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Some unions ARE a joke. Some are corrupt, just like some administrations were a joke, and were corrupt. Just like some corporations are corrupt-and a joke. Except the joke is on the people of this country.

But unions didn't just pop up for no reason at all. They came about because of the robber barons who were delighted to work children 80 hours a week, have unsafe conditions for all workers who were barely paid a living wage. Unions exist because of bad management. Unions exist because they NEED to exist in a free country.

Personally, I think profit sharing is a better system in the private sector. That way, the workers police themselves. But what CEO wants to share his Golden parachute with mere workers? He may have something golden for them, but it's not a parachute.

And congratulations on being upset with the people who educate our children, and put out fires, yet failing to mention one of the prime causes of the recession--utter corruption and stupidity and greed at the highest levels of corporate management.

You got gripe against the unionized firefighters, cops and rescue workers who went up in the twin towers to save lives, too?

Discuss among yourselves. I'm saving my energy for the game.


Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Why would Gruden give up what looks like a 'cushy' high profile tv gig to coach?

He'll never coach again.

And I don't blame him.

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I doubt he's making 7 million or more a year to sit in the Monday night booth. I have no doubts that he'll be coaching again soon. Aside from the money, coaches have a competitive drive just like players.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Another problem is the regression of running back Clinton Portis. The offensive line is making good blocks and getting Portis to the second level of the defense. The old Portis would make an initial 3-yard gain into an explosive 20- or 30-yard play. He's not doing that anymore, so Washington's running game does not scare anyone, making it harder on Campbell and the passing game.

Someone needs to drug test Jaws ASAP. What holes have been created? Everytime a read that Jaws post I laugh because the first thing that comes to mind is Heyer getting shoved 4 yards in to the end zone by Peppers or Will Montgomery getting flattened by Glen Dorsey.

Posted by: dcwun | October 26, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Cork- I *heart* AFTRA...they've saved me many thousands of $$$$ over the years.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Gruden fan. That quarterback carousel he had going in Tampa was just plain stupid. With Campbell done after this season, presumably, we would see more of the same in DC. I would much rather see Shanahan or Cowher run the show.

Two things to watch tonight to see if Lewis is having an impact: First is the distribution of passes. I am convinced Sherm Lewis will want to get the ball to more of his receivers and I think this will help move the ball. Second thing is the depth of the passes on third down. I am also convinced that one of Sherm Lewis' tweaks was to get the receivers deeper on third down. Anyone who looked at film had to see the team routinely throwing the ball short on third down. I hope he just takes the dumpoff guy out of the picture and puts everyone deep. What do they have to lose? If Campbell gets sacked, it really isn't much different than not making the first down. Hunter is going to be on the field either way.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 26, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

OK, so Jaws' critique boils down to Zorn should be demoted to playcaller, and somebody else should be head coach.

If the team has talent -- is a good football team, to use his words -- and is not playing well, that's coaching.

Great. Just great. IF Jaws is right, the Redskins lose football games Tuesday-Friday, not on game day. Fabulous.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, "turmoil."

That's what's keeping this team from being good.

Not that they're old and suck.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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I'd definitely say that the turmoil is there because of the way the team has performed. If they had beaten the teams they are supposed to beat, this wouldn't be happening.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

RE: Bradford. I wonder if he doesn't fall further than the draft guys are saying right now. I don't know if I'd want to risk a high pick and millions of $$$ on a guy who won't be healthy until right before the draft. Obviously have to see how his rehab plays out but I wonder if he doesn't fall out of the first round.

Posted by: skinswest | October 26, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that none of the other QBs in this draft class have done anything to surpass Bradford's work last year.

Maybe by the end of the season one or two of them will. But I don't see anything right now that says Bradford shouldn't be a 1st rounder.

Like you said, kind of depends on his rehab and health on draft day.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Combined record [at present] for remaining opponents is 40-20 with only one losing record team (Raiders) and two undefeated teams (Broncos, Saints).

Looks like a 4-12 or 3-13 season if they do not start playing their guts out

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

chief, my wife is a teacher, so save it....

They came about because of the robber barons who were delighted to work children 80 hours a week, have unsafe conditions for all workers who were barely paid a living wage. Unions exist because of bad management. Unions exist because they NEED to exist in a free country.

Isn't all of what you wrote above covered by Labor Laws??

I thought so....

I helped you out:

All unions ARE a joke. All are corrupt

The premise of collective bargaining is that by representing all employees a union can negotiate a better collective contract than each worker could get through individual negotiations. But because the union negotiates collectively, the same contract covers every worker, regardless of his or her productivity or effort.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be so painful when Zorn is finally dumped, gets picked up by a good team as an offensive assistant and just tears it up. Zorn could have been another Joe Gibbs, but the redskins need a GM first that knows what he's doing, and not just clinging on to success he had in the past when he was part of a team, not in sole control. Vinny Cerrato is a joke of a business man.

Posted by: hezbollaskins | October 26, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Gruden: The Redskins "have players, there's fuel in the tank they just need to light the match."

Gruden on the Redskins: "If they can get some positive momentum on offense, they can be a heck of a football team."

This is why the skins will get a high profile coach next year. The skins are perfect for a coach with a big ego. Restoring a once proud franchise to respectability and make $$, is an attractive option. The skins have struggled for so long on offense, if a coach can come in here and get that corrected while keeping the defense on par, and turn the skins into a consistent playoff level team, it will be a big feather in that coach's cap.

Posted by: TWISI | October 26, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

DCWUN

"...that TV gig ain't paying him 5 million a year and he does have the clout to have veto power in personnel decisions."

Is Gruden worth all that?

5 mil a year and complete control?

And if he is worth all that, what's Dungy or Cowher worth?

The skins don't need a 'celebrity' head coach, just a strong personality type who isn't 'medium' and has a track record of getting things doen.

Which brings me back to Jeff Fisher--if he's fired.

Or Jason Garrett--if he could get out of a contract.

Or Russ Grimm, that is, if he wants the job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that none of the other QBs in this draft class have done anything to surpass Bradford's work last year.

Maybe by the end of the season one or two of them will. But I don't see anything right now that says Bradford shouldn't be a 1st rounder.

Like you said, kind of depends on his rehab and health on draft day.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

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Bradford will definitely fall out of the top 10, but I don't think he'll fall out of the top 20. Definitely not out of the first round. He's going to be a steal for someone. They'll be getting a top 5 prospect as far as talent goes.

I do think the Redskins will take a QB at some point in the first day of the draft. I'm just hoping it's not with the first round pick.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with Gruden? Tampa Bay sure as hell isn't doing better with him getting canned. Gruden's a great coach, people have forgotten that because TB's GM wasn't much better than ours.

I'll take Gruden coaching here any day.

Posted by: psps23 | October 26, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

1) Bradford had season-ending surgery on his throwing shoulder.

2) He said he'll enter the draft this April.

3) It's unlikely that he'll be able to throw effectively prior to the draft as his estimated recovery time is 4-6 months. April is 6 months away.

This all points to a Bradford pick as being a huge risk. The guy could have lost arm strength and you wouldn't know it. He's also got a history of injury as well.

What this means to me is that he falls into the late first round, probably getting picked up by NE or other team with an established QB that can afford to take a couple of years to see if he pans out.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be so painful when Zorn is finally dumped, gets picked up by a good team as an offensive assistant and just tears it up. Zorn could have been another Joe Gibbs, but the redskins need a GM first that knows what he's doing, and not just clinging on to success he had in the past when he was part of a team, not in sole control. Vinny Cerrato is a joke of a business man.

Posted by: hezbollaskins

You've got to be kidding right? Where is he gonna "tear it up " at? He's a QB coach and will always be a QB coach. And NEVER compare Zorn to Gibbs, 1st or 2nd version.

Posted by: dcwun | October 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be so painful when Zorn is finally dumped, gets picked up by a good team as an offensive assistant and just tears it up. Zorn could have been another Joe Gibbs, but the redskins need a GM first that knows what he's doing, and not just clinging on to success he had in the past when he was part of a team, not in sole control. Vinny Cerrato is a joke of a business man.

Posted by: hezbollaskins | October 26, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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Definitely not buying any of that. Gibbs was a proven coordinator before he came to the Redskins. He called plays and ran an offense successfully in San Diego.

Zorn didn't have that experience. The first time he had it was here, and he was definitely a failure. His playcalling is horrid.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I can see that. I'm good with Grimm or Fisher, but Garrett??? How about you replace him with Brian Schottenheimer? The Jets ran for over 300 yards for the second week in a row! Bring back smash mouth football to DC...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

A lot of People in Tampa were happy to see him go. Not sure he would've won a SB if he wasn't playing against the Raider team he took to the cusp.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

..Zorn could have been another Joe Gibbs...

What the heck have you been smoking? Jim Zorn couldn't motivate a Republican to vote for a tax cut.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

dcbovey

"I doubt he's making 7 million or more a year to sit in the Monday night booth. I have no doubts that he'll be coaching again soon. Aside from the money, coaches have a competitive drive just like players."


Unemployed, non-7 million dollar a year head coaches:

Brian Billick
Bill Cowher
Mike Martz
Herm Edwards
Tony Dungy
Dick Vermeil
Jon Gruden
Steve Mariucci
Mike Holmgren
Marty Schottenheimer


Well, none of these guys is presently making 7 million a year in television or retirement.

But if they are so 'competitive' why aren't they coaching?

Cause it's easier to sit in a booth and be a celebrity, that's why.

Y'all are fixated on Gruden because he's charismatic and opinionated.

But he left the Bucs a mess.

The skins are a mess.

We need a guy who can correct a bad situation, someone who has a strong track record and needs control.

Gruden just wants a microphone and telestrator--and Jaws backing him up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that none of the other QBs in this draft class have done anything to surpass Bradford's work last year.

Maybe by the end of the season one or two of them will. But I don't see anything right now that says Bradford shouldn't be a 1st rounder.

Like you said, kind of depends on his rehab and health on draft day.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If we truly are doing a WCO I would rather wait for the 2011 draft class. I am not a fan of any of these QBs. I'd wait for Ponder from Florida State and try to get CJ Spiller this year. I'd draft offensive linemen with all my other picks.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

dfbovey and dpc,

Just wondering, what QB would you take ahead of Bradford even with the injury?

I think CAR and STL will be drafting QBs and I think that they both end up picking top 10, that's why I don't see Bradford slipping all that far.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

arent most the coaches in that list retired?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 26, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I hear that Gruden is slated to come aboard as offensive coordinator, Bill Cowher will Head Coach, Shanahan will be GM, and Mike Holmgren will take over O-line duties.

Alternatively, I understand the ghosts of Vince Lombardi and George Allen have signed on to haunt the whirlpool tub.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 26, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

portispockets

"Just wondering, what QB would you take ahead of Bradford even with the injury?"


Jake Locker-WASH Huskies is the best quarterback in the country after Matt Barkley of USC.

Barkely is a freshman.

Locker is NFL ready.

Look him up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Well Mista -- If I were hiring a Skins GM or head coach this is what I think.

Brian Billick: NO / NO
Bill Cowher NO / YES
Mike Martz NO / NO
Herm Edwards NO / NO
Tony Dungy YES / NO
Dick Vermeil NO / NO
Jon Gruden NO / NO
Steve Mariucci HELL NO / NO
Mike Holmgren NO / NO
Marty Schottenheimer Frankly, NO / NO

I'd hire Jason Garrett in a heartbeat as a head coach. But that might be a mistake since he's been interviewed 3x last year by the Lions, Broncos, and Rams.

Though, given the state of the Lions and the Rams, they might have done better with Garrett.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"...aren't most the coaches in that list retired?"

If 7 million a year for 5 years and complete control is on the table, I beat the entire list would become unretired before Halloween.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Never draft a spread QB for a pro set O.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 26, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Why did Trent Dilfer call the change in playcalling duties a "knee-jerk rqaction?"

This anemic offense has been an issue going back to last season. It ain't a new problem.

Also, why the eff do they interview people who are FRIENDS of Zorn (in this case, Dilfer played 4 season under him). What the eff does Jason Reid THINK these people are going to say? Of course they're going to support him. It's as predictable as sunrise in the East.

Oh, nevermind. I forgot. That's what the WaPo excels at.

Hell, if you want to follow that line to a conclusion, ring up some of Vinny Cerrato's friends (he must have one or two on his payroll) and ask them about Vinny. Then we can read more "insightful" commentary from the WaPo about how Vinny's former colleagues and friends say Vinny's a really good guy, he just needs some time and support, and patience, and blah, blah, blah, I'm gunna puke...

Fire them all.

(.)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 26, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Gruden is a QB killer as evidenced by the carousel in Tampa Bay....he failed to develop Chris Simms who seemed pretty talented and went with the undersized kid from East Carolina for two years. He won a Super Bowl with a dominating defense and a good running game. He's far from a great coach and inherited the players who won his Super Bowl from Tony Dungy.

I don't see Gruden as a long-term answer unless he inherits a veteran QB and a better O-line than the Skins possess. He'd be a 6-10 or 7-9 coach with the current talent on the Redskins. Let the Skins address their GM need first and let that person hire the coach.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 26, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'd hire Jason Garrett in a heartbeat as a head coach."


I agree.

Say what you want about the cowboys, but they do feature a scoring offense that mixes the run and pass quite well.

Hiring Garrett and drafting a player like Locker would be a good start.

But if I'm anyone getting interviewed, my first question is, "So picks 2 and 4 and the big money free agent will all be offensive linemen, right?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Gruden is a QB killer

Ask Chris Simms's spleen....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

try to get CJ Spiller this year. I'd draft offensive linemen with all my other picks.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Are you coming around to Moe's point of view. I thought you were a big supporter of drafting OL in the first.

Posted by: TWISI | October 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Why did Trent Dilfer call the change in playcalling duties a "knee-jerk rqaction?"

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I think he meant its the reaction of a jerk who does not come up to my knee.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"If we truly are doing a WCO I would rather wait for the 2011 draft class. I am not a fan of any of these QBs. I'd wait for Ponder from Florida State and try to get CJ Spiller this year. I'd draft offensive linemen with all my other picks.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17"

Waiting for QBs is traditionally a loser's game. The hype machine works to elevate whoever's available and you can't tell if your guy is the next Peyton Manning or Alex Smith.

As for Ponder: good QB, above average arm, decent escapability, plays in a wide-open offense. At the moment, looks like second round.

If he doesn't play again, Bradford will almost certainly fall out of Top Ten. Jeven Snead seems unlikely to get to that lofty elevation, either. Jake Locker's the wild card; he reminds a little of Jay Cutler at Vanderbilt, and Cutler's stock really soared after the Combine. Not enough to get him drafted ahead of Young and Leinart, where he should have been.

I'm no Notre Dame fan, but I haven't seen any QB this year who impressed me more than Clausen. Again, no rocket launcher, but gorgeous touch on the deep ball. Would Jason Campbell could borrow some.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 26, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Game Day!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 26, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

PortisRockets -- this is going to be a very thin year for QB's. There are two guys I'd keep an eye on, Ryan Mallett at Arkansas and Clausen at ND.

Yes, yes, I know that ND is the Vesuvius of Hype. Mirer, Powlus, etc. there's a long line of complete and total Golden Domer busts.

I'd wait until 2011 to draft a QB.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

I hear you on Locker. Don't watch much Pac10, but it sounds like he could be good in pro style O.

RE: Barkley, kid could be good, but I was talking about this draft. By the time he enters league I hope the Skins will have found a QB.

BTW I wasn't suggesting that the Redskins pick Bradford, I just don't see how he falls our of top 15.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

isn't drafting a qb, kind of putting the cart before the horse?? wont they run into the same problems that we've had since 2007?? They need to go LT, then RT....with their #1, and #2....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

realness

"Never draft a spread QB for a pro set O."

I'd switch to the spread.

It's the next offense.

That Pats/Colts run a pro version of the spread, they just also have the ability to slip into a traditional 'under the center' offense when they want to.

Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow all run hybrid offenses, but Locker runs something that looks very much like what you see in Pittsburgh and New England: passing offenses that run when they want to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Let the Skins address their GM need first and let that person hire the coach.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 26, 2009 2:14 PM

Word.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 26, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

My $.02
GM/HC

Brian Billick: NO / Yes - when all the other yes' on the list decline
Bill Cowher NO / YES
Mike Martz NO / NO
Herm Edwards NO / NO
Tony Dungy YES / Yes - neither will happen
Dick Vermeil Yes / Yes - don't see either happening
Jon Gruden NO / yes
Steve Mariucci NO / yes
Mike Holmgren Yes / Yes (preferably not both)
Mike Shanahan No/Yes
Marty Schottenheimer Frankly, NO / NO

My choice:
New empowered autonomous GM with HC of his choice and no Snyder meddling - Please yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes


Posted by: skinswest | October 26, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering, what QB would you take ahead of Bradford even with the injury?

I think CAR and STL will be drafting QBs and I think that they both end up picking top 10, that's why I don't see Bradford slipping all that far.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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Right now the only one I'd take over Bradford is Locker.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If you draft Locker, I think you are looking for at least one year on the bench so that he can improve his accuracy and mechanics. He's an athlete, but the most important trait in a QB is that he is accurate.

Posted by: TWISI | October 26, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Not sure Locker is coming out. If not, Collins is under contract for another year as of now. Let him and Colt have a real QB competition next summer, trade down in the 2010 draft to pick up O lineman (G and T at least) and a back. Keep building.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Are you coming around to Moe's point of view. I thought you were a big supporter of drafting OL in the first.

Posted by: TWISI | October 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm only suggesting what I'd do if we were really commited to running a WCO. It would take a complete rebuild of the offense from the ground up. I just think that Spiller and Ponder would be two players I'd like to have if I were building a WCO from the ground up. In a true WCO we could get some good linemen a little later. We wouldn't need Okung. We could get a smaller more athletic guy at LT in the second or possibly trade down. I doubt Spiller makes it passed the other WCO teams though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

But unions didn't just pop up for no reason at all. They came about because of the robber barons who were delighted to work children 80 hours a week, have unsafe conditions for all workers who were barely paid a living wage. Unions exist because of bad management.

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 1:42 PM |

This pretty well sums up why we need a union here on RI. Those Robber Barons, Cindy and Jason, have been exploiting us. They are getting rich off our posts, but have any of us gotten paid?

I've been putting in much more than 80 hours a week, and for nothing. As to child exploitation, just read the posts up here. Posters like rachel, learnedhand, and dcsween are not even in junior high school and they are putting in untold hours while being abused by vaherder, barno, and dozens of fake barnos. Not to mention Cork's wanton abuse.

And this place is the mother of all "unsafe working conditions." If most of the ideas expressed up here actually permeated your brain, you'd be a functional illiterate.

I say we organize the RI union. This won't be a corrupt union like all the others. And we'll assure that by putting nateinthePDX in charge and appointing beantowngreg as the shop steward. I'm volunteering to serve as treasurer. Please send your dues to League-Source@Your-RI-Union.org.

There. Don't you agree with me that things feel better up here already?

Posted by: League-Source | October 26, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wizfan --

As I recall, Beathard recommended Saint Joe to JKC. But JKC still made the decision to hire him.

I don't know if any owner is going to let a GM decide on the head coach. It's their team, and among many other reasons, it would be unfair for the owner to shift that responsibility.

I'm back and forth about when to take a QB.

If you take him first, then he gets beat up a year, and next year you draft OL with some pretty high picks.

If you take OL first, then there's a chance that you end up 8-8 and don't have a top 10 pick.

Maybe, what you do is trade DOWN the first year, to someone stupid (like Vinnie C., of Washington, DC) and get their 1st round pick next year.

So, who do we know that would trade up next year? I think maybe the dumass over at CLE?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Y'all are fixated on Gruden because he's charismatic and opinionated.

But he left the Bucs a mess.

The skins are a mess.

We need a guy who can correct a bad situation, someone who has a strong track record and needs control.

Gruden just wants a microphone and telestrator--and Jaws backing him up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

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I'm not fixated on Gruden. I think he'd be a huge improvement over Zorn, but not exactly my first choice.

I think he'd definitely coach again. But you seem to think he won't possibly out of wishful thinking that he won't come here.

BTW, some of those guys you listed are old and won't coach again while some are sitting in a chair on TV waiting for the right situation to pop up. Just because they are on TV as analysts this year, it doesn't mean they've quit coaching. Several of them have already expressed interest in returning next season.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | October 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm only suggesting what I'd do if we were really commited to running a WCO. It would take a complete rebuild of the offense from the ground up. I just think that Spiller and Ponder would be two players I'd like to have if I were building a WCO from the ground up. In a true WCO we could get some good linemen a little later. We wouldn't need Okung. We could get a smaller more athletic guy at LT in the second or possibly trade down. I doubt Spiller makes it passed the other WCO teams though.

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Spiller is a nice running back, but I like Best from CAL more.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

F this depression.

I'm pumped for the game tonight. Philly's got another thing coming to them if they think they can walk all over the Redskins, which they haven't done in years.

10-3
23-17

Remember those scores Philly. It'll be another Redskins win tonight.

Posted by: psps23 | October 26, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato dream draft 2010

1)Mays/Berry
2)Colt McCoy
2)Best(would trade 4,5, and next years 3 to get this pick)

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Spiller is a nice running back, but I like Best from CAL more.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If we were trying to salvage our current offense then yeah I'd go with best but I think for a WCO Spiller is the best in the draft. If we were trying to salvage our current offense I'd go with a top left tackle first and maybe best/royster in the second. Then maybe another tackle or a center in the 4th. I wouldn't take a guard either because I think with 2 tackles we can move BMW inside to guard. I think he would be really good there after some more reps.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

somebody tell me why Colt Brennan is not a WCO QB. What's the difference bewteen Chase Daniel, a spread QB, and a WCO QB?

MistaMoe, if you think the Skins should develop a spread offense, I point out it would seem that you and one Vincent Cerrato agree. He got both Daniels and Brennan in camp. You don't get much more spread QB than that.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What about the RB from Fresno State? He is leading the nation in rushing right now.

Something Matthews, or Matthew something...

He is averaging 7.0, yeah SEVEN yards a clip right now.

His freshman year he averaged six.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 26, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What about the RB from Fresno State? He is leading the nation in rushing right now.

Something Matthews, or Matthew something...

He is averaging 7.0, yeah SEVEN yards a clip right now.

His freshman year he averaged six.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 26, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Forgot about this dude, he is a beast. Only Fresno state game I have ever watched I saw him break 3 runs for 60yd+TDs.

My only problem with him is he's more of a powerback / I don't know how fast he would look against better comp.

If I could have my pick I'd take Ingrahm out of 'Bama.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why The Post continues to knock Sherm Lewis? HE hasn't even called a friggin play yet! How can you say he's gonna suck. Pride is at stake Men. Maybe he'd want to help out a team in distress.

Especially since you got a very indecisive QB in Jason Campbell who needs 5 seconds every pass play to think long and hard just to throw a 1 or 3 yarder....

Tonight, look for Clinton Portis to get about 30+ carries.

Skinz 23
Iggles 13

So it was written. So it shall be done.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 26, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why ANYONE would be amicable to Gruden as head coach. He goes to the Superbowl with Tony Dungy's team that Dungy built over years... big whoop. He then presides over an endless downward spiral until he's gone. Is that really the kind of qualifications you're looking for in a head coach? Someone who starts with a superbowl team and allows it to dissolve into crap?

NO THANKS.

Posted by: REXskins | October 26, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

FYI...

CBS's Bill Cowher on how Jim Zorn handled being stripped of play-calling duties:

"He lost his dignity and he lost his credibility. To me, he lost his ability to be a head coach and lead this football team. He's nothing more than a figure head right now."

http://www.newsday.com/blogs/sports/watchdog-1.812020/bill-cowher-on-jim-zorn-he-lost-his-dignity-and-lost-his-credibility-1.1549014?localLinksEnabled=false

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 26, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I think Mathews out of Fresno State would be just the ticket, IF one thinks that drafting a RB in the first round is a good idea. Which I don't.

BTW, did you see what AP did yesterday against Pittsburgh? He flattened a guy, looked like Mike Sellars, except Sellars has about 80# on Peterson.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This from MNF's Jaws on Campbell:

"Quarterback Jason Campbell is not playing well. He is missing open receivers. Campbell right now is not able to clearly see what is happening when he looks over the line of scrimmage. It's a deadly situation for an offense when the QB is not able to read and react effectively."

Will the Skins and Campbell be able to separate at the end of the season? There was a comment earlier that if 2010 is uncapped that Campbell would not become a FA. Of course there are always ways the Skins could rid themselves of Campbell. They don't need FA. Might even get a draft pick out of it. Heh, heh.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Portis may have lost a step, but he can still block in protection, which it would seem, Betts cannot.

Hand Rock Cartwright the ball about 15 times. Give it to Portis about 25. That's 40 running plays, which will chew up the clock. Even if they are run in sets of three!

I think the Iggles are vulnerable. McNabb is doing his annual swoon.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Hand Rock Cartwright the ball about 15 times.

I thought the point was to SCORE points, not punt a lot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Another pithy observation from Jaws:

"Zorn is not blameless. The Redskins have talent and are a good team. But they are not playing good football. I watch the coach's tape each week for all the teams and see all 22 players on every play. Many Redskins players do not give a maximum effort. That is something to be laid at the feet of the head coach."

Not a big surprise. Z does not have the mentality to be a NFL HC. All this shti about staying medium and other New Agey kharma crapola does not mesh with pro football. It's a mauler's game. He should move to LA and hang out with the surfin dudes at Redondo Beach.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

GRUDEN would come here because he's not a top-flight NFL coach. He has something to prove. That large chip which was knocked from his shoulder is still on the ground. He wants to pick it up, and put in back where he thinks it belongs. I would not be a happy camper if JON came here as head coach.

COWHER won't because he's a MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER-type. No nonsense from the owners box, plus he has nothing to prove. But I'll be a happy man if he does come and coach in D.C.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 26, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"So picks 2 and 4 and the big money free agent will all be offensive linemen, right?"

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Exactly what I want to see (after drafting a QB in round 1). Maybe 2 relatively big money OL guys.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 26, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

greg, unions suck but corporations are a bigger evil. especially the pharmas and food.

i want dungy!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 26, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, I think Rock deserves a chance. CP and Betts have proven what they can do. Give Cartwright a few carries and see if he can break one, because sure as heck CP and Betts cannot.

I don't call the 78 yard run last week "breaking it". More like a Con-voy, for chrissake Mike Sellars was further down the field after 50 yards than CP.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd much rather draft an OL guy in rounds 1, 2, and 4, and use free agency for another one. Lots of OL picks because you know they wont ALL work out. By getting one in round 1 you might get lucky and get a pro bowler, but you're at least sure you have a starter. Not so in round 2.

You know next year is not a playoff run, be realistic. No sense drafting a young QB behind a crappy line. Even if you try to improve the line after round 1, it will be young and unproven. You're just putting the new QB in a bad situation. Makes much more sense to get a full capable OL FIRST, then get a QB next year.

Posted by: REXskins | October 26, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Take advantage of JC's strengths."

If indecision and insecurity are his strengths, I'll take his weaknesses, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 12:20 PM

Fair enough. But seriously, no one thought that Rypien was a championship level QB (Rypien was NOT GOOD in 1990). Or DWilliams (mostly a backup to Jay Schroeder in the 1987 reg. season). That is, until they each won a championship. Too long ago, you say? How about Trent Dilfer of the Ravens in the 2001 superbowl? There is more than one way win, baby.

Clearly Campbell is no Peyton Manning (three offensive systems in his entire football life, btw). Campbell has some good tools, and some weaknesses, like Rypien, Williams, Dilfer, Orton, and others. It's up to coaches to figure out how to make his strengths work at the pro level while minimizing his weaknesses. This WCO system as Zorn has constructed it seems to do the opposite. Yeah Campbell is playing poorly. But I still agree with Casserly, square peg round hole.

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Posted by: hithere1 | October 26, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If Rock Cartwright touches the football 15 times tonight on offense or special teams, the Redskins are in for a very long night.

If he's active I wouldn't mind seeing the running back that just got picked up have a couple of runs.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

deal, my wife, a teacher comes home from work and tells me about the poster in the teachers lounge, poster say's, "get a bad review, call your union rep".....personal responsibility...how about that?? How about manning up for your review, and trying to be better??? unions practically discourage that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Rock touch the ball NONE times tonight...DT on KOR....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why The Post continues to knock Sherm Lewis? HE hasn't even called a friggin play yet! How can you say he's gonna suck. Pride is at stake Men. Maybe he'd want to help out a team in distress.

Especially since you got a very indecisive QB in Jason Campbell who needs 5 seconds every pass play to think long and hard just to throw a 1 or 3 yarder....

Tonight, look for Clinton Portis to get about 30+ carries.

Skinz 23
Iggles 13

So it was written. So it shall be done.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 26, 2009 3:01 PM

I love it! Blind optimism in the face of overwhelming odds. Refusal to acknowledge how crazy it is that the Redskins organization brought in a guy 5 years out of football to call plays after being here three weeks. Amazing!

I think you have what it takes be GM of this fine NFL franchise.

OK, I'm on board - Redskins win in a blowout:
Redskins 45
Eagles 0

Have at me!

Posted by: hithere1 | October 26, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hand Rock Cartwright the ball about 15 times. Give it to Portis about 25. That's 40 running plays, which will chew up the clock. Even if they are run in sets of three!

I think the Iggles are vulnerable. McNabb is doing his annual swoon.

Posted by: dpc2003

The only time I want Rock Cartwright on the field is when WE are kicking the ball off.

Posted by: dcwun | October 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Tampa during the Dungy - Gruden transition. Gruden rode Dungy's team to the SB but also the knock was Dungy couldn't get them over the hump. Essentially Gruden beat his own team (Raiders) in the SB, if nothing else I guess he can beat himself????

Posted by: clt_skins | October 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm in a union and you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to even be eligable for the good gigs. If a manager wants to give you a bad review they can whether it is deserved or not. Without unions we would all be making less money. So if you don't know well now you know.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm in a union and you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to even be eligable for the good gigs. If a manager wants to give you a bad review they can whether it is deserved or not. Without unions we would all be making less money. So if you don't know well now you know.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Rexskins --

It can make sense to draft a QB before the OL is good. If the team sucks, they get a higher draft choice. If they're average, the position in the draft drops, and you might not get a shot at a franchise-type QB.

Solution is to trade down. Swap 1st round picks this year and next, with them throwing in a second rounder.

Then you get 2 second round picks this year, and hopefully their 1st next year is a top-5. Basically, you're betting that they don't improve as much as you do, even though they get a higher 1st this year.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I love it! Blind optimism in the face of overwhelming odds. Refusal to acknowledge how crazy it is that the Redskins organization brought in a guy 5 years out of football to call plays after being here three weeks. Amazing!

I think you have what it takes be GM of this fine NFL franchise.

OK, I'm on board - Redskins win in a blowout:
Redskins 45
Eagles 0

Have at me!

Posted by: hithere1

You call it blind optimism, I say can the offense be any worse. I guarantee the Lewis call will get more than 6 points.

Posted by: dcwun | October 26, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd say we have a good shot winning tonight because I think in this situation the players will come out with nothing to lose and in some sense wanting to prove something to themselves. . . plus if Grandpa Sherm lets Soups get in a rythm who knows?

But given the comatose performance of the offense in all the previous must win games my faith is berry berry shaky plus Iggs are coming off craptacular loss to Oakland so they ain't exactly looking to roll over.

So frankly I just don't know. I want to believe we can win . . .I wanna believe . . the truth is out there. . . yes we can . . . who will survive . . .my bologna has a first name . . .

Posted by: sfskin | October 26, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

just win baby!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

pab, sorry I disagree, I'm not union...I'm responsible for my review/raise based on how I perform while at work....I'd absolutely loathe being in a union...just sounds like a joke to me....how exactly are they helping you??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

With Samules most likely done, we need a franchise LT ASAP!!!! There is no drafting a QB, we need to get the best OL with whatever pick we get, and then do the same thing in RD 2. Then we can go RB in the 4th, and after that I don't care. OL OL OL OL OL. Reading this Vinny.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Essentially Gruden beat his own team (Raiders) in the SB, if nothing else I guess he can beat himself????"

So he was good enough to build one team that could get to the Super Bowl, and win it with another that couldn't quite get it done with the supposed modern legend that preceded him.

And he didn't have Peyton Manning to ride along the way.

Sure, I'd take a guy that could do that.

Gruden > Dungy.

Posted by: psps23 | October 26, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Unions have outlasted their value. The majority of them take money from employees while helping the bad employee stay employed. Sure they have established decent wages for some work groups but they have also outpriced themselves for the work they do. For example.....auto workers, airline workers and many more that are well overpaid for what they do.

Sports unions.........total joke.

Posted by: clt_skins | October 26, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

They negotiate my wage. Otherwise they could grab dudes from home depot. Unions are responsible for the minimum wage as well. Without them every job would go to the lowest bidder

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

How did union chatter come up? I missed the genesis ... was it about the NFL players' union? Just trying to figure out relevance to the old RI. If so, there are two prominent NFL players' union members who EVERYBODY should keep their eyes on this season ... Ladell Betts and Ahmad Bradshaw.

Wooo hooo for fighting turmoilers! Now git out there and git us some McNabb!

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Reading this Vinny.

Posted by: FedorEm


Hopefully by next years draft, Vinny won't be around to screw another one up.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Just when I thought the union debate was over.

Pabrian / All: I don't think you will convince Bean that union's are a good idea.

Bean: you're probably not going to convince people here that union's are bad idea if they don't already believe so.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I have mixed feelings about unions, Greg, never been in one.

But you have never had an appraisal that was subjective? That didn't reflect how well you did at your job? Or missed some things that you thought you boss should know that you did?

I would say that of some 20 or so annual appraisals I've had in my life, half of them were done by someone who just wanted to get out out of the way, another 1/4 were overly happy about how well I did my job (I won't argue with those), 3 were about right on, and 2 were appriasals written dishonestly to reflect that I was doing a poor job, so that I could be moved out of the department.

I'm just saying, unless your job is totally defined by numbers and measurable productivity, that apprisals are pretty darn subjective.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 26, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, unfortunately this team needs to do what the Nats have done. Start at the top. And the top is a president to replace owner and the chief 'tasmanian devil' wreaking havoc Daniel M. Snyder. Then a GM, and then a coach. They should all be separate with no combining jobs with one guy. They need as much buffer from the owner and his henchmen as possible to convince players this is a stable franchise again. Until that happens it really doesn't matter who you prognosticate into the head coaching, or for that matter the quarterback slot. They are all doomed to failure unless the real problem with this franchise is fixed once-and-for-all.

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

This year is being projected as a thin year for OL in the NFL draft. OT is very slim in pickings Russell Okung will be a top 5 pick most likely since plays LT.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather not fight over a QB in first round. We can count on Oakland to go for worst draft choice.

Ten, Clev, TB, Car, STL are all going to be in the QB hunt. Depending on where we land we may be able to trade out of top 10 get another pick in first and pick up a couple of OL and get a QB later on.

Of course we'll probably draft a QB in first round and hire Favre after he unretires again.

Posted by: sfskin | October 26, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

decent wages, some security, benefits, maintaining quality of work and safety

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

** Another Union Post **

Then there's the company that wants to institute across the board pay cuts for all employees, for the 2nd time this year, so they can show a "better profit" than they've actually made.

And there's the union that calls them on that bullcrud, and negotiates a 'pay cut' that actually results in me...um, I mean somebody, not only keeping all the money contractually owed to me, um, I mean them...but actually getting some extra $$$ for agreeing to defer [not cut] that compensation.

** End Union **

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

How did union chatter come up? I missed the genesis ... was it about the NFL players' union? Just trying to figure out relevance to the old RI. If so, there are two prominent NFL players' union members who EVERYBODY should keep their eyes on this season ... Ladell Betts and Ahmad Bradshaw.

Wooo hooo for fighting turmoilers! Now git out there and git us some McNabb!

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone said they were part of / worked for a pilot's union.

Bean then said he thought unions were a tremendous waste and terrible.

really it's sad that I'm this bored at work that I have seen this debate since the beginning.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

pps, wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, was just voicing my opinion regarding unions...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Here is the headline for tomorrow after we beat the eagles.

"So easy a Campbell can do it"

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 26, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Will the Skins follow the Bill Parcells draft strategy in 2010 and go round 1 - Okung, round 2 - QB, which is what he did in 2008 with Long and Henne? In between Long and Henne he drafted Merling, who is lost in space somewhere. Also, that Jason Taylor dude is having a pretty pretty good year for the Phins - 5.5 sacks - at a fraction of the salary he would have cost the Phins if they hadn't sent him to the Skins for a 2nd round pick, which IMO the Phins proceeded to blow on WVA's White.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Gruden must have joined Redskin's management for their daily happy meal.

What qualified NFL-experienced coach would work for Dan Snyder if Vinny "Smithers" Cerrato is still around?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | October 26, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I bet the NFL players union would put up a better fight than the Redskins tonigWHOOPS I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TONIGHT WIN BABY!!!

Redskins: 45
Eagles: 0

Posted by: hithere1 | October 26, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

pps, wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, was just voicing my opinion regarding unions...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

yea well part of the RI union bargaining agreement is that you can't have opinions about things outside of football.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If you think workers rights are good, then unions are good.

Anyway, if there is a god, grant us victory, please. 3-4 at the bye wouldn't be bad.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Unemployed, non-7 million dollar a year head coaches:

Brian Billick
Bill Cowher
Mike Martz
Herm Edwards
Tony Dungy
Dick Vermeil
Jon Gruden
Steve Mariucci
Mike Holmgren
Marty Schottenheimer"

Pass on all of them. Let's stop chasing after the past. This is the same thing we do with former pro-bowlers who come here for big money but never achieve the same level of performance again.

Look forward - not backwards. Hire a good GM first. Let him figure out the coach.

What is the system we want to run in the future? Do we stay West Coast, go Air Coryell, or look into the Spread?

Hire a coach based on that. Who are the best prospects at the coordinator level who are HUNGRY for a chance?

Now draft and acquire FA's to outfit that system.

Get busy.

Posted by: edvar | October 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The one good point with Gruden is I don't think he is in the mold of the other contenders that he has to have total control and would work with a GM. I think his work in Oakland was far better than his work in Tampa though the record may show differently. If it's him or one of the other total control guys, I'd take Gruden. There need to checks and balances, Beathard and Gibbs didn't always agree. Joe's personnel moves show he wasn't a GM. Let the coach coach and GM manage.

Posted by: clt_skins | October 26, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If you think workers rights are good,

They're covered by Labor Laws right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia: "After compiling a 40–28 win-loss record in four seasons with the Raiders, Gruden replaced the fired Tony Dungy as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002, via a high-stakes trade that included Tampa Bay's 2002 and 2003 first-round draft picks, 2002 and 2004 second-round draft picks, and $8 million in cash."

Don't forget how Chucky was hamstrung in TB the years immediately following the SB win. Then he turned it around again and got them winning.

Posted by: HenryHog | October 26, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

hitthere1 -

I have a Head Coach mentality. My boat has no room for crybabies like JAson Campbell. F Optimisim. I'm looking at reality.


Look for Sherm Lewis to lean on Clinton Portis. 30+ Carries.

How is this unrealistic when we have beaten the Eagles 3 out 4? We have the defense to keep the score low. And we have the winning formula...Hit the small receivers early and often. So they get scared to catch the ball.

Redskins 23
Eagles 13

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 26, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Good post Henry, I didn't realize he went there pre-screwed out of so many key draft picks.

Posted by: REXskins | October 26, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Bean, dude.

You seriously think Labor Laws would be on the books if there were no such things as unions?

You are arguing from a false dichotomy.

And you're not just giving opinions, you're attempting to engage others in arguments.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This year is being projected as a thin year for OL in the NFL draft. OT is very slim in pickings Russell Okung will be a top 5 pick most likely since plays LT.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Okung then yeah take OL first but if not then we may as well trade down. I would like to have Charles Brown, Brian Bulaga, Ciron Black, or Bruce Campbell. We should be able to get 1 of these guys later in the first round. Then we can take a right tackle in the second.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This whole talk about Unions is utter nonsense.

Of course they suck and are corrupt bastions for organized crime, but without them, the workers would be abused worse by the ownership of the corporations they work at. The pendulum swings both ways.

Presidents and CEO's of companies are traditionally psychopaths who would happily push your corpse out of the chair and fill it with a new body the next morning if it meant a better bottom line for the company. Labor laws do little to protect individuals, and are difficult, time consuming and expensive to enforce.

They balance each other out.

Now back to football...

Posted by: edvar | October 26, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget how Chucky was hamstrung in TB the years immediately following the SB win. Then he turned it around again and got them winning.

Posted by: HenryHog | October 26, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

_____________

Yeah, Gruden helped the Raiders become Superbowl ready and then took a team that Dungy couldn't get to the Superbowl and won with it.

He does have a style of coaching that wears on players though. But I kind of think that this team needs a demanding coach at this point. Training camp is like friggin ClubMed here. Probably one of the softest in the league. There's also no fear of the head coach or accountability when it comes to the high paid "stars" on this team. They get what they want most of the time.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jim Zorn gets fired at halftime.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

let's just imagine that Zorn did have too much on his plate and the Sherms will get this thing going. At least for a few more hours, while we can, imagine the best.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

peri

"... unfortunately this team needs to do what the Nats have done. Start at the top."


That only happens when Snyder has had that 'rock bottom' moment.

You'd think he'd have that moment after Spurrier walked away or when Marty went West and made something out of the Chargers.

3-13 is a rock bottom moment for most teams.

3-13 should bring Cerrato's firing and a strong GM hiring.

But somehow we all know it won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Okung then yeah take OL first but if not then we may as well trade down. I would like to have Charles Brown, Brian Bulaga, Ciron Black, or Bruce Campbell. We should be able to get 1 of these guys later in the first round. Then we can take a right tackle in the second.

They lost the third for yet another DL. They have DL coming out of their ears and really, it has in a way only made things worst, because they ignored the situation on the offensive line, at cornerback. Even the issues at linebacker were addressed with DL.

Its unfortunate, but they and many of y'all have brought in on yourselves. They absolutely have to draft offensive linemen, 1st and 2nd and if they somehow get compensatory picks for Campbell and Rogers ... hopefully, those will be used on OL. They have got to fill the next camp with young athletic OL especially at tackle. They don't have **ANY** right now. They need 2-3 from this draft and the next.

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

But somehow we all know it won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009

At this point things will not improve at all unless this is done. At this point he is stuck, he will have to offer minority ownership to anyone worth a damned all because of Snyder's own blind stupidity.

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow, BG can you crack a history book please? my gawd.

"They're covered by Labor Laws right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

Where do you think Labor Laws come from?

Are there problem unions, of course. Are there problems with corporations..of course...why? b/c PEOPLE are involved and people have great capacity for right and wrong. Institutions don't make choices, people do.

Also how was the weekend, a 40 hour work week, vacations...siht like that working out for ya? Yup thank a union.

Sorry guy but you are sounding like a complete ignoramus and the few posters who gently suggest that there is perhaps a nuanced take on this, you scoff at.

I am chalking this up to maybe low blood sugar like the "Circut City is a well run company" and "Ledell Betts will out gain A. Bradswaw" statements from RI past, b/c you are a good dude.

Beantown Greg: RI's very own Horatio Alger!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"...I hope Jim Zorn gets fired at halftime...."

Zorn will make a fine college coach.

He should go back West with his mountain bike and bible and green socks and medium talk and inspire 18 year quarterbacks with his wack drills.

But he's not a pro head coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Jake Locker-WASH Huskies is the best quarterback in the country after Matt Barkley of USC. Locker is NFL ready.
Look him up.
Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, you're right on most of the time, but a bit off base here. Locker's a fine kid and a decent QB, but you might want to look at what the Ducks D did to him this past Saturday.

2-14.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 26, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

A fine college coach at any level below the majors

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 26, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Been saying it for over a week ...we need total and final humilulation from here till season end...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"...I hope Jim Zorn gets fired at halftime...."

Zorn will make a fine college coach.

He should go back West with his mountain bike and bible and green socks and medium talk and inspire 18 year quarterbacks with his wack drills.

But he's not a pro head coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree.

And the best way to send him this message is to fire him at Halftime.

Anyway I think it would be fitting considering the rest of the way they've handled things this year

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Anti Union = Greed at the top
Pro Union = Greed at the bottom.

Next topic!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 26, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bradford is still the best QB available don't let the injuries scare you away. He is very accurate and can make even our receivers look good. The last Oklahoma player that everyone let injuries scare them away including the skins (or because Portis was so great...) is the best running back in the NFL.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Why did they ignore the OL you ask? Because they thought it was good enough. Who told them it was good enough?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"They absolutely have to draft offensive linemen, 1st and 2nd and if they somehow get compensatory picks for Campbell and Rogers ... hopefully, those will be used on OL. They have got to fill the next camp with young athletic OL especially at tackle. They don't have **ANY** right now. They need 2-3 from this draft and the next."-

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Why not raid a couple of practice squads now and get started early? We don't need to give up draft picks or trade players to do this, we just have to claim them, and then keep them on the active roster for the season. That gives us the chance to try them out in our system for the rest of the year - whith no obligation or no cap hit if we let them go. Two solid young prospects and we still have all of our draft picks for next year. It's about as close to FREE as you get in the NFL.

How about:

Corey Clark 6'5 325 from the Chargers

or

Alex Boone 6'7" 330 from the 49ers.

Gotta figure one of them could help us at RT at least.

Posted by: edvar | October 26, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, great quote about $nyder: "The general atmosphere around the team suggests Zimbabwe—a failed state, an intractable dictator, and an impotent and suffering populace."

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2009/10/monday-night-football.html

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 26, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Why did they ignore the OL you ask? Because they thought it was good enough. Who told them it was good enough?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Danny did because he fell in love with Haynesworth and he would make a bigger splash.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 26, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Bean is a wealthy industrialist.

Posted by: mack1 | October 26, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I am chalking this up to maybe low blood sugar like the "Circut City is a well run company"

wow, cl, pretty weird that you're carrying that around with you...you keep a running tab of everyone on here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 26, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"I would like to have ......, or Bruce Campbell."


Especially if he brings his BOOM STICK!!!

Posted by: AppleScience | October 26, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Gruden helped the Raiders become Superbowl ready and then took a team that Dungy couldn't get to the Superbowl and won with it.

He does have a style of coaching that wears on players though. But I kind of think that this team needs a demanding coach at this point. Training camp is like friggin ClubMed here. Probably one of the softest in the league. There's also no fear of the head coach or accountability when it comes to the high paid "stars" on this team. They get what they want most of the time.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree, you would think with an offense like ours we would have played our starters more than anyone else in the preseason.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 26, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on the Haynesworth signign, vis a vis the OL, but didn't this start before then? I still have yet to get an answer other than "we draft the highest ranked player" for WHY 2 years ago, the Redskins took Fred Davis; well, a straight answer.

Really? You take the highest ranked player? Is your ranking system 1 dimensional; do you not factor some points in there for the HIGHEST RANKING PLAYER AT A POSITION OF EXTREME NEED? Apparently not.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 26, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Why did they ignore the OL you ask? Because they thought it was good enough. Who told them it was good enough?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Danny did because he fell in love with Haynesworth and he would make a bigger splash.

Posted by: Redskins001

Hard to believe Danny's that myopic.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 26, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Hitting rock bottom is very liberating. Defense will have a phenomenal game. Nothing to lose. Offense and special teams will struggle, as usual, but add enough points to squeak it out.

Over/under for Delay of Game calls is 4.

Posted by: joinnow | October 26, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! MNF Boyz and Girlz. I know we're gonna lose, but I just can't help but get fired up!!!! F the Eagles, F Snyder, F Vinny and his AIDS dick ... BUT GO SKINS!!!!!!!!! F them up!!!!!! Get pumped!!!!! It's Monday Night!!!!! All Hail the Mother SJKing Skins!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sjw1 | October 26, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Demarcus Ware just got paid. Getting 40 mil. guaranteed $$.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 26, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Zorn fired at half-time???

C'mon, be serious.

We know Danny's level of patience better than that. He's really become more patient over the years. I think Joe Gibbs really influenced Danny's thinking...

Zorn will be fired during the two minute warning of the fourth quarter.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 26, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I saw that about Ware, I congratulate JJ on his perspicacity.

You think Synder is bad? Jones is worse.

Imagine if the Redskins had 13 Pro Bowl players and lost their first playoff game at home in over a decade? Imagine that, with the playoffs on the line, they turn the ball over 5 times against the Eagles, 2 returned for TD's?

Imagine Snyder coachin' 'em up on the sideline in the 4th quarter?

Imagine sticking with the Pillsbury Doughboy as head coach, when you really do have a bona fide genius holding a clipboard?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm off to the tailgate... Hail Victory!!!!

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 26, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Carry on

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 26, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I hope we at least score in the double digits.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 26, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how people are optimistic about our chances tonight. We SUCK and the Iggles are going to light us up(having said that, I'll gladly accept a Skins win). McNabb has more tds vs Skins than any other team!

Question:
Who will be more vocal tonight Skins or Iggles fans?
Cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla | October 26, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh my what if we break the 20 point barrier? I'm not sure I will know what to do. I don't think I can count that high anymore.

Posted by: sfskin | October 26, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

hitthere1 -

I have a Head Coach mentality. My boat has no room for crybabies like JAson Campbell. F Optimisim. I'm looking at reality.


Look for Sherm Lewis to lean on Clinton Portis. 30+ Carries.

How is this unrealistic when we have beaten the Eagles 3 out 4? We have the defense to keep the score low. And we have the winning formula...Hit the small receivers early and often. So they get scared to catch the ball.

Redskins 23
Eagles 13

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 26, 2009 3:59 PM

Hey, I think you are far too pessimistic here. I predict a blowout:
Redskins 45
Eagles 0

With the following highlights:
CPortisRun: 231 yards, 3 TDs

JCampbell: 23-25, 354 yards, 2 TDs, NO INTS!

DHall: 1 pick 6 (INT return TD)

Chris Cooley: 6 rec, 99 yards, 1 FG (YES THAT'S RIGHT, COOLEY KICKS HIS FIRST FG TONIGHT!)

Posted by: hithere1 | October 26, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Really? Union Discussions? Wow! Sounds like I missed a lot.

Unions are crap and past their time!

Etrod said it best......

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 26, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

the worse possible result tonight would be a skins victory with more than 24 points scored. 2nd worse would be losing a shoot out. ANything that gives Danny the Boy Blunder and his pole smoker Vinnie hope is bad. The more the team loses, the more the Mighty Midget will realize (hopefully) that he he needs to make serious changes.

Posted by: Leeguru | October 26, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Unions did a lot of good back in the day, resulting in a wake up call for the nation and labor laws that were needed.

Most of them are unnecessary today, however, and if anything are counter-productive.

Go Skins! I see Sherman Lewis picking plays effectively from the Madden Screen selection and leading us (er, Zorn leading us...well, no...meh, whatever) to an exciting 16-13 win...

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 26, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Without unions we would all be making less money.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 26, 2009 3:33 PM


Well, no. Workers in any industry who excel at what they do and have a proven record of success will command top dollar -- unless they belong to a union, in which case they are weighted down by the rest of the collective.

A friend of mine recently graduated from the American Film Institute -- hardly a right-leaning institution -- and one of her professors put it best: "Unions exist to protect the mediocre."

My employer provides consulting services to numerous state agencies, and I have worked side by side with a lot of unionized state workers over the years. The vast majority of them are just competent enough and largely unmotivated, because there's little incentive to go above and beyond, and little chance of being fired. (And some others are just incompetent and could not remain employed for long in the private sector.) I've worked with folks who have been in their jobs 20-30 years, and all ambition has been sucked out of them. Occasionally, though, we'll meet an overachieving and ambitious state worker through one of our contracts, and we have a special way of dealing with them -- namely, once we've finished the contract, we make them an offer to come work for us, where they can actually earn the kind of salary they're worth, and where they will be rewarded for their extra effort.

I could have more job security, a lighter workload, and even a pension, if I went to work for the state. But that option is off the table for me, since I won't surrender my individuality and join a collective. I would rather sink or swim according to my own merits.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Its unfortunate, but they and many of y'all have brought in on yourselves. They absolutely have to draft offensive linemen, 1st and 2nd and if they somehow get compensatory picks for Campbell and Rogers ... hopefully, those will be used on OL. They have got to fill the next camp with young athletic OL especially at tackle. They don't have **ANY** right now. They need 2-3 from this draft and the next.

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

_________________

The OL isn't a problem that can be addressed in one season. I think Rabach and Dockery are fine for now. But we'd need a new RG and two new starting tackles. Then eventually a new starting center.

I'd be happy if they just get two new starting tackles in the offseason. Start building it from the outside in. I'd prefer they find them in the draft but I'm also open to young free agents. Russell Okung in round one and signing Alex Barron in free agency would be my ideal scenario tp solve the Tackle position. Then Heyer remains a back up.

Getting a RG and a Center next year would be a bonus. I think two new starting tackles would make a drastic and noticable difference though.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 26, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla,

Good post!

Definition of The Union: We will support the majority ( who are average performers at best ) and provide to them to keep our cause alive and not reward overachievment.

Spread the wealth of and for mediocrity!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 26, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Just in Northwest Pilots were playing World of Warcraft on their laptops when the flew by MSP airport. They just didn't want to stop as they were almost to a new level.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

or reviewing "scheduling software" aka porn

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Week 7 and we have already shifted our focus to the draft - nice job, Cerrato! But since I love the draft, I'm not going to complain too much. Figure we are going to be picking somewhere between 5-10 if the season plays out as it appears today.

If we can get Okung (OT) with our 1st rounder, we have to take him... if not, we should definltiey trade down and take one of the lesser left tackle prospects later in the round.

Then look at QB or RT in round 2 - I think Locker could be here (he is still pretty raw), and possibly Mallett (the kid from Arkansas - another very intruiging prospect). Both will be developmental, though, so a stop-gap veteran starter is a must in FA.

From there on out, draft mostly OL but keep an eye out for a true centerfielder type free safety or a strongside backer if you stumble upon a good value prospect at either of those positions.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 26, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

PDXSkin, love your analysis as it pertains to the Draft, but where does QB fall int he list of priorities? I, for one, simply DO NOT want a Free Agent leading our team. It's a perfect time to rebuild the QB position at the same time we rebuild the O-line. They can all grow as one, just like both Mannings and Brady have done.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Well, no. Workers in any industry who excel at what they do and have a proven record of success will command top dollar -- unless they belong to a union, in which case they are weighted down by the rest of the collective." -- Freakzilla


I command top dollar for what I do. I have a personal contract that pays me much more than the floor set by the collective bargaining agreement, so your premise is false.

Are there bad things about unions? Absolutely. No question. I think unions, as well as the car companies that put out shtity products, are a big reason 'Detroit' is in so much trouble.

But in my biz [google 'AFTRA'], they're a necessity.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Anti Union = Greed at the top
Pro Union = Greed at the bottom.

Next topic!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 26, 2009 4:24 PM

Obesity = Greed at the middle

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

chRIs LaRrY, if you're out there, THE SEASON STARTS TONIGHT!

[And my shots start during pre-game.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

But in my biz [google 'AFTRA'], they're a necessity.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The jig is up.....you're George Michael, former Sports Director at NBC4....aren't you?

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

We're not pulling any kind of crazy Monday night uniform shenanigans tonight like we did with the Steelers game last year, are we?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Obesity = Greed at the middle

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:30 PM

I am in shape. Round is a prefectly acceptable shape in geometry.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

There have been a lot of posts about how the Skins will be able to upgrade at this or than position in the 2010 draft because they will select early. The thing is there are probably at least 7 teams that will select even earlier - TB, KC, Oak, Tenn, Clev, Det and StL - and what the Skins can do will depend on what these teams do. Most of these teams have both QB and OL needs, just like the Skins, but it is not obvious what choice they make, which will dictate what is left for the Skins to grav. A lot of posts have mentioned the Skins drafting Russell Okung but he will probably be long gone by the time the Skins select unless they try to trade up.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Can we get an inactive list? Maybe a beep beep with that?

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

TubularBells, we only beat TB and StL, we "win" tie breakers against KC and Det if we can losr to Oak, that only leaves Clev and Tenn to worry about.

We could end up at 5 very easily.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I have a personal contract that pays me much more than the floor set by the collective bargaining agreement, so your premise is false.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:27 PM


My premise isn't false, it's just that there are exceptions in certain industries. Fine and dandy. (Since this is a pro football blog, see also pro football as an obvious exception.)

But personal contracts in a unionized industry are the exception proving the rule.

In my company, all of the contracts are personal, and poor performers are likely to get the boot.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

noone, I'm not topologist, but if pear is a shape, then I'm right there with ya.

Let's get MEDIUM! And sudden. And get angry, Philly style!

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Let's get MEDIUM! And sudden. And get angry, Philly style!

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:40 PM

Clarification: Philly FAN style ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

sween- More than an hour 'til the inactive list is out. Shot of Jamesons in the meantime...

ksquare- No, I've got more hair than King George.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

sween, we wont get any of that. j-reid's manning of this blog is mediocre at best.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

In my company, all of the contracts are personal, and poor performers are likely to get the boot.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:39 PM

Consulting services to state government? People get canned for "consulting" poorly?

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Week 7 and we have already shifted our focus to the draft - nice job, Cerrato! But since I love the draft, I'm not going to complain too much. Figure we are going to be picking somewhere between 5-10 if the season plays out as it appears today.

If we can get Okung (OT) with our 1st rounder, we have to take him... if not, we should definltiey trade down and take one of the lesser left tackle prospects later in the round.

Then look at QB or RT in round 2 - I think Locker could be here (he is still pretty raw), and possibly Mallett (the kid from Arkansas - another very intruiging prospect). Both will be developmental, though, so a stop-gap veteran starter is a must in FA.

From there on out, draft mostly OL but keep an eye out for a true centerfielder type free safety or a strongside backer if you stumble upon a good value prospect at either of those positions.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 26, 2009 5:21 PM

LT and QB would appear to be the biggest priority. Behind that I might add an SLB so they can move Orakpo to DE full time.

Posted by: skinswest | October 26, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

i hope everyone sneaks in alcohol to the stadium today instead of spending 500% more at fedex. only way we can get a rebuild is if danny feels the pain where it hurts...in the behind...where the wallet presumably rests.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's WaPo Sports headline:

In Sherm....There's Rust.

Yeah, this idea is gonna go over as well as a fart in church.....

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Would it be POSSIBLE to have canned someone like Sherman Lewis for inadequate 'consulting'?

[Just like at "think tanks" ... on what basis do people get fired? Like a performance appraisal, it must REALLY be a bad sign when the supervisor rhetorically asks "what were you THINKING?!!?!"]

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

tomorrow's headline:
O-6: Skins lose 27-6.
Sherm doesnt make the right calls as Eagles win a home game in DC.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

G'night everyone! I'll be the one in the section to the left of the goal post (to the left of the home bench) wearing a Belichek style hoodie and a gold Skins hat. You can't miss me.

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

It will be kind of weird to see Z with his headset looking at his play lamination and not saying anything. Has that ever happened before? Or he could put his headset on mute and then utter "Christ Almighty! That play will never work!" when a HC would normally be telling the QB which play to run. Calling all lipreaders ...

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy Boren: I always wear the same Halloween costume. I dress up as Fawn Leibowitz, post-kiln explosion.

Well played, my dauphine!

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Consulting services to state government? People get canned for "consulting" poorly?

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2009 5:42 PM


Absolutely.


Different subject, any chance an enterprising Skins fan will hand out batteries to Philly fans tonight and tell them Santa Claus is in Dan Snyder's box?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Can we get an inactive list? Maybe a beep beep with that?
Posted by: dcsween

Well, Zorn will be inactive tonight.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, simply DO NOT want a Free Agent leading our team. It's a perfect time to rebuild the QB position at the same time we rebuild the O-line. They can all grow as one, just like both Mannings and Brady have done.


Posted by: kman2

Can me crazy but I predict we bring in Michael Vick as QB next season. After all the recent bad publicity that the Skins have received due to the INSANITY at Redskins Park, bringing Vick in would not even come close. We can't get any more hated than we already are - especially after we get blown out tonight.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 26, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

In my company, all of the contracts are personal, and poor performers are likely to get the boot.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 5:39 PM

Poor performers will definitely get the boot in my company. The union's not going to help you there. If you stink, you stink...and you're gone.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Watch your back Sween......there some f n looney Eagles fans. Good Luck.....

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Even the moron's need to be reminded of our dubious task as common Redskin fans. So without further ado:

BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 26, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta: How long do you think it will be before a delay of game penalty is called on the Skins tonight due to "relay issues"?
Cindy Boren: Third series of downs.

Good to hear we'll make it past halftime...

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I would gladly pay the sum of $1 to anyone who could throw a battery into the owner's box.

Then I would sign them to be our 3rd string QB.

LOL

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Poor performers will definitely get the boot in my company. The union's not going to help you there. If you stink, you stink...and you're gone.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Jess Atkinson, former Skins kicker and one time sports anchor. Come clean man!

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, daggar! Funny retort on the downs. Typically, we get the inactives about 90 minutes before kickoff, so you're going to have to cool your jets. I'll beep you when we get 'em.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 26, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Look for Sherm Lewis to lean on Clinton Portis. 30+ Carries.

"I pity the fools" -- Mr. 'T'"

Posted by: periculum | October 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm I think y'all may have just been spared my ad nauseum pontificating about unions. Long post was 'held for review by owner' - probably for the best.

Hey we're wearing throwback unis tonight right?

Posted by: sfskin | October 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

i dont blame people for goign to the game, especially a MNF game. it's definitely an experience to remember to witness a nationally televised game agianst fierce rivals. also, if i paid for season tix, i wouldnt want to just not go...yeah, it's better to not go than to sell to eagles fans, but i wouldnt just not go. instead, DON'T BUY jerseys or concessions. TAKE YOUR OWN FOOD/DRINKS...IT'S EASY TO SNEAK IT BY SECURITY....
one flask of liquor (any type) can save you 30-40 bucks, and if 80K people can find a way to NOT spend at least 20-30 bucks, that's a stellar 3 Million bucks Snyder will lose, and he'll feel that INSTANTLY. boycott everything but the games. and don't renew season tix.
lets do this. NOW.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Betcha Jasno has fond recollections of union representation, particularly when it comes to unfairly judging reporters on things like spelling.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey we're wearing throwback unis tonight right?

Posted by: sfskin | October 26, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

More like throw up unis....this is going to make a lot of people sick to their stomach.

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I desperately want to see the Fran Liebowitz costume realized.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I all have to say is for the Redskins fans going to the game- stay safe!! You never know what could happen with all those rowdy Eagles fans... just be careful. No fighting.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

whoops, Fawn, Fawn. Man, somebody call the bingo hall and get another resident joker in here.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

all that being said, there's a very huge unwritten rule in Vegas that says "don't ever bet against home dogs on MNF"....

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Tom Berenger said it very well in Major League.

The Redskins, tonight at least, have only one thing left to do.

"Win the Whole F'ing Thing"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 26, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

...huge unwritten rule...

If it's unwritten, how can it be unwritten huge?

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

wait, what throwback unis? I hope it's the yellow jerseys (vs Giants @ fedex 2 yrs ago), or the 70th anny jerseys (spurrier year 1). either of those would be preferred.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey we're wearing throwback unis tonight right?

Posted by: sfskin

For sure?! I actually really like the throwback unis! Even if we lose, we'll look good losing!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 26, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

lol i lived in vegas for 2 years daggar, and made about 14K betting on guys who lived and died by their so-called "rules"...i dont know the semantics behind it, but i wouldnt bet against vegas for the life of me.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I remember wobble and win. How about you?

Posted by: hessone | October 26, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

all that being said, there's a very huge unwritten rule in Vegas that says "don't ever bet against home dogs on MNF"....


Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Throw that rule out the window.

Never had a home dog, whose FO made a switch in playcallers.

Coach's decision to assign playcalling elsewhere...maybe. FO decision.....never.

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't find anything that says we're wearing the throwback uniforms... ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | October 26, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

well, I wouldn't bet against guys who can write huge, unwritten rules, whether they're from Vegas or not!

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Michael Crabtree cried all summer and didn't sign until recently and played his first game on sunday. He had 5 catches for 55 yards..not outstanding but compare that to the skins 3 amigos....what's the problem?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 26, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Throw that rule out the window.

But it's Huge... will it fit through the window?

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

ksquare,
notice i didnt say "bet on the underdog"
this is obviously one of those circumstances where it might be likely the road favorite will cover, but no way i'm touching this game.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

According to the Redskins blogger, the team is wearing white over burgundy.

Can someone please tell me why fans are so into what unis they wear?

In my opinion, if they wear a uni and they win, keep wearing it. If they don't win, burn it. But since we are not winning in any uni, don't know what we should do.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 26, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Never had a home dog...

Mmmm, excellent with a cold beer. Only $27.18 at FedEx.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Michael Crabtree cried all summer and didn't sign until recently and played his first game on sunday. He had 5 catches for 55 yards..not outstanding but compare that to the skins 3 amigos....what's the problem?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 26, 2009 6:14 PM
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How many times to DT11 and MK12 get thrown to when they are on the field. 2 problems, no o-line and journeyman QB

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 26, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

27.18? that's NOT including the 63% tax, right?

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

But since we are not winning in any uni, don't know what we should do.

Launder it thoroughly, I would think.

Were we all supposed to call you crazy?

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE STADIUM?

Can we please have an update of some sort?

Posted by: saltine182 | October 26, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Tax is extra, but you can get up to two ketchup packets.

Posted by: daggar | October 26, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

so what beer will everyone drown their sorrows in?
i'll likely grab a 12-pack of blue moon belgian wheat ale. my fav of all time.
but then again, do i want to waste 14 bucks for such a bad occasion?
any suggestions?

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE STADIUM?

Can we please have an update of some sort?

Posted by: saltine182 | October 26, 2009 6:20 PM

Lots of tailgating.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I told you but you wouldn't listen:

BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!

BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!
BOYCOTT $NYDER - HE WILL FIRE CERATTO!!!


Posted by: hessone | October 26, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins: Long optimistic, increasingly fed-up fans have yet to wear traditional brown sacks o' shame over heads during home games, but only because team security won't allow grocery bags into FedEx Field."

How hard is it to smuggle a brown bag in under your shirt? Once in the stadium with bag on head, how long before security notices and tries to remove? How much has Snyder beefed up security for just this type of thing? If enough fans do this it will be impossible for security to control.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 26, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Semantics kman.....had the Eagles won last week, I'd agree.

But no way Andy Reid allows back to back losses to the likes of the Raiders and Skins.

As much as I hate saying, thinking, or even writing it......Eagles win big and easily cover the spread.

Book it!

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

but then again, do i want to waste 14 bucks for such a bad occasion?
any suggestions?

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed kman.....I normally enjoy a 4 pak of the Guiness tall boys. Tonight....it'll be Rolling Rock.

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Cooley and Yoder are now blonde.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 26, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Sad factoid stolen from Matt Terl's Twitter feed:

Last home Redskins win on Monday Night Football? It has been a while. Oct. 13, 1997, a 21-16 win over Dallas in FedExField's first year.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm certainly in the minority: I'm really, really into one and only one uniform configuration, the white jerseys + burgundy pants.

I can't explain it beyond its being the uni they wore in that first Super Bowl win. And their longtime habit of wearing it at home (virtually unique in the NFL to wear white at home) as well as almost every road game... so we've seen that combination far more than all other combinations, over the years. And the fact that it's friggin' gorgeous.

I haven't loved any of the fauxbacks we've worn, and I absolutely loathe monochrome white+white and burgundy+burgundy, and I've always liked but never loved our burgundy jerseys + white pants. I'm a real curmudgeon on this issue.

As to why I think it's "important," or why it matters at all to me, I wish I had something profound to provide here, but it's purely irrational fannery, as usual. I think the Skins should look like the Skins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

@ freakzilla's comment

more reason to ride ksquare's bet on philly train. maybe i jump on before kickoff. or whenever the deadline for offshore betting sites is.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

kman, Blue Moon's a great choice, but to stretch your dollar a little further, you could maybe try not drinking the entire 12-pack in one sitting.

Just a thought. But that's coming from someone who hates hangovers.

I've got a bottle (22 oz.) of Lagunitas Lucky 13 for tonight, which is the equivalent of a little over 3 normal beers from an alcohol standpoint. Just water for me in the 2nd half, as I'll be driving home from a friend's.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I asked that question because fans (usually guys) talk about the unis frequently. They write Larry Michael about it. It's always baffled me because women are usually more into fashion and I honestly do not care what they wear as long as they win.

Last year, the Skins wore burgundy on burgundy on MNF and they sucked. Hope they burned those unis after the game.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 26, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

yeah i should probably hold back on downing 12 moons...maybe i'll do half. and most def dont get crazy urself. i've been in a drunk driving accident (victim, and no injuries for anyone, thank goodness) and i'll never let anyone drive drunk, even buzzed. be careful w/ alcohol ALWAYS.
as cheezy as the commercials may sound, buzzed driving = drunk driving, because impaired is impaired.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Are you familiar with Uni Watch blog, Lisa? If the occasional uni conversation up here puzzles you, you oughta spend some time with those dorks. (Ahem... I'm a devoted follower, though I never comment over there.)

uniwatchblog.com

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Nate, it's okay to want to look fabulous. Don't be ashamed.

And I'm in total agreement. White jerseys, burgundy pants.

The white on white was okay for the streak we went on in 2007, but that time is gone now.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Just skimming over al the new "union" posts... I have to say my original intention was as pure as the driven snow, just telling people a little about how cockpits work and why they won't know what happened for sure on the NWA flight..

In this day and age, sadly, that was a mistake. Beans had his anti-union comment, and I responded and he responded and I responded and I went away for a little while...and OMG...

I'm retired from AFTRA, and it has done VERY well by me. I know firsthand what management would have done to TV news workers had there been no unions to protect us, and it was ugly, ugly ugly.

And TV stations made more money that they knew what to do with as it was...

Now it's ten times worse, now that TV news has self-destructed, with the economy finishing off what's left.

Just saw a story where soon anchors will have to run their own prompters with foot-pedals...

Fox news in DC (who else) apparently already has it, and more than once, according to the story I read, copy went flying off into the ozone. Now anchors will have to be coordinated in addition to pretty,

Um, who's inactive tonite?

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Or was it in 2005 that we had the white-on-white winning streak? Can't remember now.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

wait, you guys don't like the yellow unis that were used vs giants 2 years ago? yeah we lost that game, but i really thought it was an excellent uniform. and the 70th anny ones were great too.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Make that 3 votes for white jersey, burgandy pants.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 26, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

no votes for maroon/black/yellow? Zorn would be disappointed at you guys.

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

kman, the yellow pants were a bit much, I thought. They were just so very, very yellow. It was a Ronald McDonald sort of thing, and I hate clowns.

I did like those jerseys, with the sweet red-and-yellow alternating sleeve stripes. I have a replica of that jersey, with the name and number of a young quarterback who had terrific promise, and in whom I believed very much... I'm too sad to pull that one out of the closet with any regularity.

With all that said, I liked those fauxbacks better than the 70th anniversary ones, and I realize I'm in the minority on that... but that deeper, darker burgundy just didn't sit well with me, though the spear logo was pretty sweet.

So... are we in agreement that there shall be no throwbacks tonight, or is that still up in the air?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe how some of you so called SKINS fans are acting. So, we stink right now big deal...

The SKINS need support right now.. no matter what's going on and a few of ya'll are trying ur back...

TO ALL MY REAL SKINS FANS..Please stand up for your team 2nite..

Don't care where you at LANDOVER, DC, VA, MD... SUPPORT UR TEAM... Die hard since 85..let go!!!

LET GO SKINS!!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 26, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

No throwbacks tonight Nate....standard home gear.

Posted by: ksquare | October 26, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I actually liked the white jerseys we wore with the yellow pants in that game against the Giants, but refused to buy one because of what a disaster that game turned out to be.

Not only did we give the game away, but we also let the then 0-2 Giants back into their season. Dissension was brewing in the ranks and an 0-3 start might have meant Coughlin losing the locker room and the Giants self-destructing. Instead we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and the Giants went on to win the Super Bowl.

That jersey is tainted. Bad hoodoo.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 26, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

GO DOWN FIGHTING 2NITE SKINS...

SO PORTIS, MOSS, CAMPBELL, RANDLE EL, COOLEY, HANSWORTH, HALL, FLECTHER, SMOOT, LANDRY, ETC..

IF YOU LOSE 2NITE GO DOWN SWING!!!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 26, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I got the Skins losing a tough, ugly game, which I think has been my prediction for three or six weeks now... I've been right more than wrong, and I'm sticking by my guns. So very sad.

Beer me...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Gruden will never coach again?!!!!???!!!

I don't agree at ALL.

Gruden is an ego maniac, a wannabe Macho Man, a "Tough Guy," and above all, A Competitor.

He WILL absolutely Coach again. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I hope it's not with the Redskins, but who knows. If he does land with the Skins, it'll be an improvement. That's for sure.

But, I'm not sure Gruden builds the type of team that wins Super Bowls and has a culture of sacrifice, dedication, and even-temperment.

He won a Super Bowl for Tampa Bay with Dungy's team. By the time he left, how'd Tampa look?

He got a DWI while coaching in Oakland, but he built a decent team there. How bout that team culture?

I'd take a Bill Cowher or even a Shanahan or Holmgren over Gruden for sure.

Cowher = first choice. He's a defensive guy, his players understand sacrifice, he's got a few guys he's seriously loyal to (made this mistake with Kordell Stewart) and a bunch of role players who take their jobs seriously.

Anyway, Gruden WILL COACH AGAIN.

He's too insecure to leave his legacy as it is. I can barely stand to hear him talk in his "grown up man" voice - making his "I'm an angry tough guy" faces.

I guess I'm too mature for that stuff to make me tingly inside.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 26, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

agreed Nate. i'm down with True Redskin colors forever and ever.

well, i'm gonna grab something to eat so i dont feel the effect of blue moon too badly tomorrow. good luck dealing with grief for the next 4.5 hours everyone...and in the very slim chance we DO win tonight, please lets refrain from playoff scenarios tomorrow, as it just makes us look bad in the public eye.

As always, HTTR!

Posted by: kman2 | October 26, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, ksquare.

Hey, do you two k guys know each other? You should meet up, maybe someplace on K Street, har de har har...

Hey, taylormade, rah rah sis boom bah, poosh 'em back, poosh 'em back, poosh 'em back in the booshes, go team go, hell yes I'll be rooting, rooting for an implausible victory, but way more than that rooting for regime change at Redskin Park...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins win tonight, they could easily still win the division.

Do the math, geniuses... or genii, or whatever.

Smart guys.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 26, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It really makes me sick about the way ESPN is castigating us. Yes, we suck. Yes, we are dysfunctional - but so are they!!

Their (married) anchors/analysts keep having affairs or taking pictures of their private parts to "share" and then get fired.

So ESPN is dysfunctional too!

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 26, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 26, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Like most Eagles/Skins games, this one will be won and lost in the last 3 seconds with a go-ahead FG. Hope it's Suisham kicking, but not so sure.

Sigh...don't know if I even have the energy to put on my jersey...

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 26, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins win tonight, they could easily still win the division.

Do the math, geniuses... or genii, or whatever.

Smart guys.


Thank you.

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 26, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

How many times to DT11 and MK12 get thrown to when they are on the field. 2 problems, no o-line and journeyman QB

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Which do you blame for their showing up out of shape last year--Jason campbell or the Oline?

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Freak,

The only uni's that are worth a crap are the all white ones..... we've had the best luck in those.... However, I did like the yellow helmets with the big "R".... very sharp.....

(Are we down to discussing uni colors?) Wow, we have fallen.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 26, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If the iggles put 14 points up on the board early, and the redskin offense is deader, how much fight do you expect the defense to maintain?

Posted by: MistaMoe


`
Oh, you mean like last year in Philly when we were supposed to lose?

We need to feed Clinton Portis the ball tonite. You really don't ever hear the TV show analysts criticize Portis or even mention the fact that he's struggling this year(400yds, 4.1ypc = struggling for Portis)b/c he's accomplished so much and he's only 28.

Clinton should get 25 touched tonite if we want to win..I mean who else is gonna win it for us?

Posted by: Vicc | October 26, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Dammit

beep beep

I hate posting right before they start a new thread.

Posted by: Vicc | October 26, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I like Clausen more than Locker.

I hate the idea of taking a Running Back in any round earlier than 5, particularly with our pressing needs on the O-Line...but I'm all about NOEL DEVINE. He is exactly the home run hitter/change of pace back we need.

Posted by: brianearman | October 26, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Gruden: The Redskins "have players, there's fuel in the tank they just need to light the match."

...and I'm just the guy who can do it (for the right coin)

Posted by: Hail_Victory | October 26, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

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