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Guest Blog - A Skins Fan At Cowboys Camp

The Dallas Cowboys broke training camp in Oxnard, Calif., Tuesday, probably for the last time. Before they left, a California Redskins fan, John Corcoran, dropped by to watch a practice, ironically on the very day Darrell Green and Art Monk were inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

In the Belly of the Beast
By John Corcoran

What is a dedicated Redskins fan doing standing in a sea of blue and white, watching a despised #81 run fly patterns on the very day a much beloved former #81 is entering the NFL Hall of Fame? The question occurs to me as I visit Oxnard and watch a practice by the Hateddallascowboys (Always one word to me.)

The Cowboys had planned to abandon ship after last year's training camp. But the prodigal warriors returned. Construction delays on the practice facilities near their new billion-dollar playpen in Dallas were blamed--officially. It may have been suggested by a Meteorologist advising Jerruh's Journeymen to avoid the scorched Earth of North Texas--where temps hit a blistering (and humid) 107 this summer.

In beautiful downtown Oxnard, by contrast, the Marine Layer has settled in, blanketing morning practice with cool grey clouds, light breezes and temps in the low 70s.

I've never been tempted to visit before, despite living only 40 miles away. Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning traitor. I've hated the 'Pokes since before the Johnson Administration (Lyndon, not Jimmy). I've been a Redskin fan for more than four decades, attending dozens of games at RFK with my Dad.

I moved to Southern California from DC 25 years ago, but have absolutely maintained my allegiance to the Redskins, raising my two boys right, too. They remain diehard Skins fans, despite leaving the Nation's Capital for good at ages 3 and 7. Before the Raiders and Rams were run out of SoCal, I took the boys to Anaheim and the L.A. Coliseum when the Skins visited. (It being L.A., so many Redskins fans were there, it was like RFK-West).

We flew to Arizona two years ago for a game and we'll catch the maroon and Black in San Francisco this December. But what induced me to see the Cowboys training camp was reading about Redskins Fan Appreciation Day at Redskins Park. I wanted to see pro football up close and personal. And oh heck, I envisioned picking up some super secret bit of information that might pay off in a Redskin victory.

My son Andrew agreed to provide backup during our foray behind enemy lines. We would never don the hated Blue and White to blend in, but we're not suicidal, so our Redskins gear stayed home. We will not seek autographs, nor will we buy souvenirs. If questioned by authorities, we will give only our name, rank, and favorite Redskin.

Oxnard is located near the Pacific Ocean, about halfway between LA and Santa Barbara. It's the self-proclaimed strawberry capital of the country. It's home to Point Mugu, the only Naval Base that's a homonym for a nearly blind cartoon character. Oxnard was originally settled by the Chumash Indians. So yeah, the Dallas Cowboys practiced in a place discovered by Redskins. (Sorry.)

We arrive shortly after the morning practice begins, encountering only a five-minute delay getting into the parking lot. To walk to the practice fields, one must first wend his way past the merchandising. There are more inflatables here than at a Pamela Anderson look-alike contest. There are inflatable jumpy deals for the kiddies, a big Cowboy archway you must pass through to get in. I'd estimate two-three thousand people show.

We get to the field and are soon surrounded by wannabe Witten's, Ersatz Emmitt's, and Tatterdemalion Terrell's. We soon stand not thirty feet from where the artist formerly known as Pacman is squatting in front of the actual Owens. A "hut-hut" later and Mr. Jessica Simpson lofts a spiral deep toward a wide open TO, where the ball is.... dropped. The crowd groans. Out of self-preservation I stifle, a trickle of blood forming where I've bitten my lip.

Between plays, I assess the fans. In roughly descending order of popularity, they tend to wear jerseys honoring TO, Romo, Williams, Ware, Barber and Witten. A couple of Steinbach's and Smiths and an Irvin or two complete the set. The crowd is mostly male. A few significant others came along, and a good number of youngsters are on hand. Poor kids-- cruelly brainwashed at such a tender age.

Most fans have brought video gear and the field is lousy with professional camerapersons, either at ground level or located on scissored platforms several stories high. Some work for the Cowboys. Many are there for HBO, as that otherwise quality network is again featuring America's Sweethearts for its "Hard Knocks" training camp series. Twenty-twenty hindsight says Green Bay or the Jets would have been by far the better choice.

One can only hope the extra videographers on hand will prove distracting to the coaches adn players. Maybe that and the lack of a proper conditioning climate will mean Tony Ballgame will require another Heimlich come post-season.

Andrew, checking out the raised camera stanchions, muses, "I wonder which one of those belongs to Belichick?" Speaking of Spygate, nothing too informative is forthcoming this morning. The Cowboys practice in shorts and shells and without marked enthusiasm. There were other dropped passes in addition to TO's clank, a number of balls ripped out of RB's hands, and a room service interception taken to the house.

I realize that cliche about the "speed of the game" is true. Up close, you feel you are watching an old-timey movie with the action sped up. It explains the need for coaches to tape practices to accurately make a detailed analysis.

Back on the field, Romo looks decent but not awe inspiring. Rookie Felix Jones appears very quick, however, and Jason Witten catches everything in his vicinity. There is a shock of yellow hair present, but not belonging to Romo's squeeze. It's LB Bobby Carpenter, whose blond locks overflow his helmet.

Speaking of Squeeze. A special teams coach stands within earshot working on rushing the punter. "Squeeze 'em", he hammers home repeatedly. "You've got to "squeeze 'em." He sounds like the offspring of Mr. Whipple and an OCD victim. As a former lineman at Bishop O'Connell H.S., I recall a line coach whose favorite expression was "Just take care of your own little dung heap"--coachspeak for "stay at home" on defense.

As practice wraps up, I realize the fans are lacking in obnoxiousness. The last thing one wants is to go into the Belly of the Beast and find out it's habitable. But in truth the kids were cute, none of the adults had horns and tails, and all fans were well behaved and polite. At one point, in fact, we wondered aloud if the uniformed officials on hand were actual NFL employees, or just hopefuls there to gain experience. A tatted-up citizen next to us, who could have easily said 'of course they're real refs, moron," instead just smiled and replied, "Yes, they're all active NFL officials, sir." Sheesh.

We left early to beat the traffic. The sun had yet to break through the morning haze. While the 'skins, the Eagles and Giants suffer through brutal heat and humidity back East, I sincerely hope the Cowboys enjoyed their days at the beach. Be a durn shame if they ran out of gas in the fourth quarter, wouldn't it?

John Corcoran is Redskins Columnist for NFLDraftdog.com

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 13, 2008; 3:50 PM ET
 
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Comments

First!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

hey,

I'd like to challenge you people to come up with more creative lines than "first."

Zzzzzz.

Posted by: charlie | August 13, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I've been through Oxnard before, you could use a lot of words to describe it, "beautiful" however, would NOT be one of them.

Posted by: Hater | August 13, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Best glog...ever - except for the War vet a couple moons ago...

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

wha? I love first. It's soo Ricky Bobby!

Posted by: Dik | August 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Is that an admission curz or a statement

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:00 PM

Statement of course. (Not that there is anything wrong with the other).

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If I have to come up with something more creative than First, then I will not be first!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The admission I was referring to was you are Skippy.... not that you lover skippy in *that way

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Awesome guest blog, right up there with the best ever (Megskin). That's two good guesties in row. Keep 'em coming.

...

Going out on a limb here, but I bet Kelli Johnson would feel right at home in Oxnard.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought the same thing too Nate... so what name does John Corcoran post with??

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

You guys hate on us b/c of jealousy. Why else is every negative commented attributed to a "Dallas fan?" Do you have all of the NFL hating on the Arizona Cardinals?

You do get your asses kicked by other NFC East teams (is Philly STILL eating your lunch every year)?

I know-"no playoff win since 96" but Dallas has won THREE Super Bowls since the last time the Deadskins did. Your HOF coach couldn't do that.

Posted by: RedskinsSuck | August 13, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

curzon, i actually am borderline agreeing with you about tryon/Richardson. Infact, I just started a thread about that on extremeskins.com earlier this afternoon. For now, I'm about 50/50 on Tryon v Richardson but if Tryon has another poor week and Richardson continues to shine, i'm going to lean towards Richardson.

I understand the argument for 6 receivers, but I really think McMullen will still be available if something happens to one of our WRs and theres no way any team takes Mix from our PS to their active roster - he's simply been too unimpressive. If Kelly isnt 100% better by the 53-man roster deadline, I actually think we IR him and McMullen takes his place. I'm not worried about depth at receiver since we have Davis on the roster too. I can certainly see situations where Davis and Cooley are on the field and one of them lines up as a WR.

In the end, the only place I would take a spot from to make room for a 6th receiver is DE and I could see putting Jackson on the PS... but then again, he has been really impressive and I dont trust that he would last there. In the end, I'd rather have Jackson on our roster than McMullen if I had to choose.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 13, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

Even with out a metal plate in my head, I cannot compete with Skippy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

***RI FANTASY POST***

Anyone think we should promote/relegate a few teams from Coat's fantasy league to Nate's, creating two sane leagues of 12 teams each? Do we even have the technology to do this, or would the universe plunge into chaos if we even dared attempt it?

***End Fantasy Post***

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

***RI FANTASY POST***
Anyone think we should promote/relegate a few teams from Coat's fantasy league to Nate's, creating two sane leagues of 12 teams each? Do we even have the technology to do this, or would the universe plunge into chaos if we even dared attempt it?

***End Fantasy Post***

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 4:12 PM

SMACK, the second league currently has 14 teams (three of which are invitations which have not yet been acted upon by invitees, ahem). 4th and I are currently in both leagues. So if 4th and I field one team each, we could potentially do 16 and 16... which is more sane than 20 and 20.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

** RI fantasy response ***

I guess we could move 4 teams from the 'Premier' RI fantasy league to the 'minor' one being run by Nathaniel. How many are their currently in Nate's league and is it also on ESPN?

*** end fantasy post ***

Posted by: Redcoat | August 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

You guys hate on us b/c of jealousy. Why else is every negative commented attributed to a "Dallas fan?" Do you have all of the NFL hating on the Arizona Cardinals?

You do get your asses kicked by other NFC East teams (is Philly STILL eating your lunch every year)?

I know-"no playoff win since 96" but Dallas has won THREE Super Bowls since the last time the Deadskins did. Your HOF coach couldn't do that.

Posted by: RedskinsSuck | August 13, 2008 4:17 PM

See, stupidity like this is beyond compare...it is called a rivalry, maybe you are not old enough to have seen the melee's between our teams in the 70's and 80's... your feelings are obviously hurt. Go home to see if momma will kiss them...

And check our NFC East recrod the last 3 years, no, I will do it for you

2005 - 6-1 in division
2006 - 1-6 in division
2007 - 3-3 in division

Anything past those three years is in-admissable... but still, we get beat by every other NFC east team?

Way to hang your hat on a fact you cant even get right and try to shrug off the only one that matters... playoff (or SB if either had one) wins

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And yes, that should say 5-1 and 1-5...

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

***

Oh, maybe we are okay then. I thought the B-league was more scant than that.

***

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, if you'd agree to dial back to 16 members in the first (but by no means superior) fantasy league, you could subtract 4th and me, and then subtract two others who I will then invite to the second (but by no means inferior) league.

I'm also happy with keeping your league as is -- 20 teams will be kind of crazy, which is appealing on some level -- and just adjusting the size of the second league if need be. I know 4th and maybe sween are okay with running squads in both leagues...

** end fantasy funball **

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow 10 pts for the use of tatterdemalion in a sentence.

Posted by: skinswest | August 13, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

** resume fantasy F-ball jabba

and yes, both leagues are on the ESPN.

** suspend fantasy F-ball jabba

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

*** RI Fantasy again.... ***

Okay, I can drop you and 4th and 2 others. Any volunteers to go to the 'other' (so inferior it needs our castoffs) RI FFL?

*** that is all ***

Posted by: Redcoat | August 13, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

*** RI FFL ***

I'll see if I can 'reject' previously accepted owners or something. You can have The Truth if you like!! :)

*** something here ***

Posted by: Redcoat | August 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

good guest and Skippy's medical report courtesy of a cousin twice removed (once forcibly). Good day for the blog

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

*** blah blah ***

Okay, I checked. It looks relatively simple to 'lose' some teams and rebuild the schedule. If there are two volunteers to go to Nate's 'consolation' league please email me at usredcoat at gmail dot com.

Good grief, this is turning into the BCS...
...which should please The Truth at least...

*** yippee kiy-ay ***

Posted by: Redcoat | August 13, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That all sounds very complicated PDX

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 13, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Well written article. Good job.

Posted by: Skinz | August 13, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Going out on a limb here, but I bet Kelli Johnson would feel right at home in Oxnard. Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:12 PM

nate, did you just call our strawberry shortcake white trash? i think you did. shame on you! she's anything BUT! tut! tut! tut!

AND i'm one of the invitees and i'll def. be ready for the draft. (am setting my alarm on my jesus phone right now) when is it? 8/30? right? make sense since the redcoaties are doing it on 8/30.

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

feeling good about the chances of my competitors in the cast-off league.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The Truth speaks in third person again. The Truth says that if the draft is on THE OPENING DAY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL for the first (but certainly not superior) draft, The Truth will be forced to go to the second (but certainly not inferior) league.


The Truth says it MATTERS NOT because The Truth will dominate.


The Truth sums it up and says he will go if the draft for the first is on the 30th and the draft for the second can be on a different day (preferably earlier).

Posted by: The Truth | August 13, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If someone could post the body of that Fox Article, I'd be very appreciative.

Thanks.

Posted by: Greg | August 13, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Going out on a limb here, but I bet Kelli Johnson would feel right at home in Oxnard. Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:12 PM

nate, are you calling our strawberry shortcake white trash? not nice. she's anything BUT!

also i'm one of the invitees and i'll be there for the draft...def...i'm creating an alarm for it right now on my jesusphone. when is the draft? i presume 8/30 to keep it consistent with redcoaties...

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

FCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate double posts!

i quit!

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, lets set the draft in both leagues and then if someone cant make one date vs the other, let em switch... otherwise I am happy to switch. i def dont like 20 peeps... makes the draft extra long..

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

So wait if I, hypothetically, were to join Nates league from RC's would I be in a previously drafted league? If so would I be an expansion owner and then have to pick from the refuse and non protected players?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 13, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Have you set a draft date for your tertiary league yet Nate?

Posted by: UsedRaincoat | August 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

btw...very nice glog. very nice. and yes, the best one (i was thinking until i read nate's comment about megskin's...how soon we forget)...so one of the best....

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

No zeese, the league is locked after the draft, this is all pre-draft stuff

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Redskins happy to avoid media hype for onceby Alex Marvez
Alex Marvez is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com. He's covered the NFL for 14 seasons as a beat writer and is the president of the Pro Football Writers of America.

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The franchise returns almost all the key components from a roster that made the playoffs in 2007. Yet in a division featuring the defending Super Bowl champion (New York Giants) and the conference favorite for this year's title game (Dallas), the Redskins are considered an NFC East afterthought. Oddsmakers have even installed Washington as a bigger underdog to reach Super Bowl XLIII than Philadelphia.

That suits the Redskins just fine.

"We appreciate flying low," Redskins running back Clinton Portis said Saturday night after his team's 17-14 preseason victory over Buffalo. "We want to make noise when it comes playoff time."

Added left tackle Chris Samuel: "Nobody is really paying attention to us right now. That's a good thing."

Redskins general manager Vinny Cerrato couldn't agree more.

"There's no (national) focus on our team, so the players can just concentrate on what they have to do to get better," Cerrato said. "All the media and everybody else are talking about the Cowboys and Giants, which is fine with us."

The Redskins are usually in the headlines because of splashy offseason acquisitions. But 16 years removed from an NFC Championship appearance, the club took a different approach this offseason after hiring a new head coach (Jim Zorn) and promoting Cerrato from a vice president's role.

Instead of frantically working the phones at midnight when the free-agent signing period began, Cerrato said the Redskins had only one serious personnel conversation. It was with the agent for Todd Collins, the backup quarterback who was quickly re-signed to a three-year deal.

"We weren't in a position where we felt there was a dire need to go get somebody," Cerrato said. "There was nothing we really had to have. There's less and less available every year in free agency. When we evaluated it, there was nothing we felt was worthy of what those players were going to be paid."

Does Dan Snyder still own this team?

The Redskins, though, couldn't resist making one blockbuster acquisition during training camp. On the same day defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered a season-ending knee injury, Washington traded with Miami for Jason Taylor.

A six-time Pro Bowl selection, Taylor should greatly improve a pass rush that produced a pedestrian 33 sacks in 2007. Plus, the 33-year-old Taylor has committed to playing through 2009 after previously teasing retirement at the end of this season. That convinced Cerrato to send Miami two draft choices (including a 2009 second-rounder) and absorb Taylor's $7.5 million base salary in 2008.

"He said everything that he's gotten and wants to get comes from football," said Cerrato, referring to Taylor's offseason flirtations with Hollywood.

Offensive players are just as excited about Zorn's hiring. Having spent the past seven seasons as Seattle's quarterbacks coach, Zorn has installed a similar system to what he learned working under West Coast offense guru Mike Holmgren.

Samuel said the biggest reason Washington couldn't advance beyond the first round of last year's playoffs was an "average" passing attack. Judging by Zorn's first two preseason games, that should no longer be a problem.

Portis raves about a scheme where receiving targets can no longer "cruise" when knowing a pass isn't coming their way.

"The ball can go anywhere," Portis said, "So now you've got three receivers, a (running) back and a tight end working to get open."


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Create A League Today!While he doesn't have a star quarterback like Matt Hasselbeck running his offense, Zorn's tutelage of Jason Campbell is already paying dividends. Not only does he look sharper with play-fakes and throwing on the run, Campbell also is being more assertive entering his fourth NFL season.

"The biggest (change) is his leadership," Samuel said. "He's taking charge and is comfortable in that role."

While the Redskins could be improved in 2008, that doesn't guarantee a postseason return. Zorn enters the season as one of the NFL's most inexperienced head coaches, having not even served as a coordinator, let alone play-caller, in Seattle. Injuries on a veteran roster have mounted during the preseason, especially along the defensive line. Playing in what may be the NFL's toughest division doesn't make matters any easier.

The media attention Washington received last season following the murder of safety Sean Taylor has faded. The focus will be on the New York Jets and quarterback Brett Favre's starting debut in Saturday night's preseason game. Washington also will receive short shrift in its Sept. 4 regular-season opener with the Giants beginning defense of their Super Bowl title.

The Redskins are enjoying this time out of the spotlight — for now.

"That's just life. All we can control is us," Redskins defensive end Andre Carter said. "In due time when we're winning and successful, everybody will see what the Redskins have to offer."

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

ps...i don't like the video diary thingies...it seems out of place...i dunno...

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking of going with Stephon Heyer with my round 1 pick for the FF league.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

dealer, c'mon now, I was making a strawberry joke... read Corcoran to see what I was referencing... keep up, brother!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 4:52 PM

"He's gonna Stephon you again"

Posted by: John Kongos | August 13, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks man...

Posted by: Greg | August 13, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

also i loved pineapple express...the first hour of it and the last scene...the middle half hour was soooooooooooooooooooo fillllllllllller material....

hey...how about that macaroni chic on the us olympic gymnastics team...

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

** resume fantasy F-ball jabba

Based on the current league poll results, Sunday, August 31 (8pm Eastern/5pm Pacific) is the likely draft date for the second (but in no way inferior) fantasy league.

I would gladly accept The Truth into the second league.

** suspend fantasy F-ball jabba

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, should have edited some of that.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

nate, i see your corcoran and raise you hater:
I've been through Oxnard before, you could use a lot of words to describe it, "beautiful" however, would NOT be one of them. Posted by: Hater | August 13, 2008 4:07 PM

so you keep up my brotha!

Posted by: dealer | August 13, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Best guest blog ever. Articulate. Informative. Funny.

Nice work, John Corcoran. When I get back to DC I'm going to your gallery on 17th Street and making a generous donation!

Posted by: Mull It | August 13, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Can you guys slow down so I can post?!?!?

I've been trying to catch up day and am still waaay behind.

F Work!

BTW......

NO TO FEELY. REMEMBER WHAT HE DID TO THE GIANTS?!?!?!? DO YOU?!?!

Posted by: 4th | August 13, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I've got a few questions. First, is the Skins-Jets game being shown on National TV Saturday. If not, does anyone know of a way to watch the game online for those of us on vacation? Second, anyone mind offering some fantasy input? I made two trades today, 1. Donald Driver for Chris Chambers and 2. Michael Turner, Rashard Mendenhall, and Kevin Walter for the one and only Clinton Portis. Approve?

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

Loser says what?

Posted by: RedskinsSuck | August 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If I have to come up with something more creative than First, then I will not be first!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 4:10 PM

Hey, that would have been a great first entry!

Posted by: charlie | August 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason, it all depends on your league set up.. but chambers for driver seems solid since you know that rivers can throw it to chambers. We dont know if rodgers can throw to driver.


As for the second... that may be a little steep given that you are giving up two potential starting RB's for one... this again all depends if you only need to start two RB's and what their bye weeks are.

Everyone, i say, pay attention to bye weeks!!!!

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

2. Michael Turner, Rashard Mendenhall, and Kevin Walter for the one and only Clinton Portis. Approve?

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 5:01 PM


I just traded for portis as well this year, Im thinking he blows up. Turner has no line to run behind, I have not heard anything good from mendenhall. not sure who kevin walter is. so i think its a good trade. They way I got CP is i traded LT and Brandon Marshall (before all the drama) for Peterson and portis.

Posted by: SAK | August 13, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

wow, you got me there spud...

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Zebra, I thought I'd use a phrase you know doubt heard in summer school.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

That's "no doubt heard..."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

GREAT guest blog! Keep 'em coming. We need more dispatches like that.

Posted by: Michael W. | August 13, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I dont get the whining, if I went onto a cowboys message board and they weren't talking crap about their rival then I would think they are all pansies...

but to each his own I guess. we revel in the rivalry, we drink it up, it is in our NFL blood... maybe you should read some history and find out what it is all about,,,

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

RedskinsSuck, your handle makes it tough to want to respond to you on the level, but here goes: what did you think of this guest blog?

Do you consider the Skins to be "rivals" of the Cowboys? How much do you care about beating the Skins, compared to beating the Giants or Eagles (or Niners or Packers or Steelers or whoever else)?

How do you think the Cowboys are going to do this season, better or worse than last year's division title/#1 conference seed/divisional round exit? How do you think the Skins are going to do this season, better or worse than last year's wild card berth/first round exit?

I'm honestly curious.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

That's "no doubt heard..."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:12 PM

The Van Buren Boys currently roll under the name "No Doubt Herd" ... though none of them likes the band "No Doubt" no doubt.

Natecoat/Red in the PDX, how about a few more days btwn drafts? Faking work for the missus is tough enough, but having to do so within a 48 hour period is nearly as impossible as faking work product at real work.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

has nads been retired?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that 98% of girls fans are crybabies. I speak from experience living in NM which is basically girls territory. When they are winning, the jerseys are everywhere. When losing, you see only the 2% that don't cry about everything.

I need to move!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think the Skins natural rivals are becoming Tampa Bay, though for some odd reason, we don't play them this season (in the regular season).

The reason the Dallas-Washington rivalry gets tiring is the national media ... because under the Hollywood "cowboys v. indians" meme, we all know who the MAN is going to have as the favorite.

Also, in tsh's 53 man roster, I don't quite see Fitcher making the roster or Dorian Smith (aka the new Omar Stoutmire) staying off the roster very long.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Also, in the tsh 53, the part about Geisinger making the team doesn't sound right either ... I'm thinking Crummey or DeVan.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

3 receivers, 2 running backs, 1 W/R slot. Other receivers are Moss and TO, bye weeks 4 and 10 (Chambers 9, Bryant Johnson 9, Devin Hester 8) Other backs are Earnest Graham and Jonathan Stewart, bye weeks 10 and 9 (Portis 10- uh-oh! good point zebra, week 10 is a problem. Have Slaton-8, and can pick up another back- Mo Morris, Lamont Jordan, Brandon Jackson?) Hopefully that one week wont mess up my season, but I'm pretty confident in that team. (Garrard and Rodgers at QB if you were wondering.)

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone remind me about the 3rd QB ... is it that he is inactive on game day (subject to activation if the first two go down), but otherwise still on the roster of 53? Does the #3 guy run the practice squad O? Or does a 4th guy get to be on the practice squad? That Devine kid wasn't horrible.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Sad curz;

I have no problem cowboy fans talking junk, but when the opening salvo is 'why all the hate for americas team' it just smacks (pun intended) of bandwagonism and of a fan who knows not of the way of the cowgirl and injun'

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Sween, Geisinger won a lot of praise for his work against Buffalo. I would bet he's ahead of Crummey and DeVan. But I don't see the point of speculating on the roster until we've played two more pre-season games and we've seen more of what these guys can do. It's like reviewing a book after you've only read the first 50 pages.

Posted by: Mull It | August 13, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

So keep mendenhall and offer BY Johnson instead... is lamont jordan on a team yet?

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If the Pats hold onto LaMont Jordan, he will have more yards than Maroney, mostly b/c L. Jordan is more durable. [Same with Fred Taylor racking up more yards than Maurice Drew-Jones.] Call me OG Barno, but I'll put that down in permanent sharpie marker.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

... It's like reviewing a book after you've only read the first 50 pages.

Posted by: Mull It | August 13, 2008 5:24 PM

Agree to disagree. NONE of my (coloring) books have more than 50 pages.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

good point sween, then rock it Jason... pick up Jordan asap, i would even drop Slaton... who drafted him anyway.

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

LaMont Jordan is (currently) a Patriot ... but they've had an unfortunate spate of none of their (many) backs getting injured.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I know Zebra. I take a chance of getting my car dented sporting my Redskins license plate.


Best line from the Glog:

Maybe that and the lack of a proper conditioning climate will mean Tony Ballgame will require another Heimlich come post-season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I think I may have found my new (gimmicky) voice up here.

Posted by: (dcsween) | August 13, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

dc(synonym)?

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The reason the Dallas-Washington rivalry gets tiring is the national media ... because under the Hollywood "cowboys v. indians" meme, we all know who the MAN is going to have as the favorite.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:20 PM

Yeah Sween but it's the RedMAN who is laughing all the way to the casino with the MAN's money. : )

Great Glog!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly here in my town in Utah, I have seen a few Skins jerseys being worn but no Cowpokes jerseys.

Posted by: charlie | August 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Where do you go to catch Skins games on TV? I know of a couple Redskins bars in Atlanta.
"

I had no idea there were Redskins bars in Atlanta. Where are they?

Posted by: GA_Skinz_Fan | August 13, 2008 4:31 PM

Did anyone ever answer this? Taco Mac does not count.

Posted by: CBT | August 13, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

We have no Pro teams and only minor league hocky and baseball teams, so most follow the girls out here. Both Denver and the Cardinals are closer but a smaller Bronco following and almost no Cardinal fans.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Sween, good point about the Tampa Bay rivalry, but don't forget about Seahawks, probably our biggest nemesis recently since they eliminated Redskins from the playoffs the last two times Redskins made the playoffs. At least, they did the same to Dallas curtesy of Tony Romo's botched snap. Plus, Zorn has the Seahawks connection.

Posted by: M | August 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Going to respond to two posters.

ONE:

The problem is that 98% of girls fans are crybabies. I speak from experience living in NM which is basically girls territory. When they are winning, the jerseys are everywhere. When losing, you see only the 2% that don't cry about everything.

I need to move!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 5:19 PM
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I live in Maryland and I can tell you that there are no more fairweather fans than you guys. I see the flags come out in July, but are gone in November (except for last year when you all bonded over ST's passing) You're worry warts. Look at how you jumped on Campbell when he honestly critiqued his performance early in TC. I actually like the kid. I suffered through a 1-15 season in 89. I "forgot" who we beat that year. ; )

TWO

RedskinsSuck, your handle makes it tough to want to respond to you on the level, but here goes: what did you think of this guest blog?

Do you consider the Skins to be "rivals" of the Cowboys? How much do you care about beating the Skins, compared to beating the Giants or Eagles (or Niners or Packers or Steelers or whoever else)?

How do you think the Cowboys are going to do this season, better or worse than last year's division title/#1 conference seed/divisional round exit? How do you think the Skins are going to do this season, better or worse than last year's wild card berth/first round exit?

I'm honestly curious.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 5:15 PM
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Nate,

I'm optimistic about the season, but know that it's a really a game-by-game season. One key injury and your team could be done. I'm hoping that they NOT dwell on last year (If I hear one more time about "13 returning Pro Bowlers" I'm gonna throw up. I don't give a shti. Plus, Roy Williams was one, so it shouldn't count.) The ONLY THING I care about is winning the Super Bowl. "Objectively, I think we are pretty loaded and need to just pull it together. I think everybody in the NFC East is going to compete (even you guys). And, as a Dallas fan, I often wonder whether I want Dallas to win more than I want you guys to lose (I'll take us winning).

And THAT'S why they play the games. You stay classy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

And THAT'S why they play the games. You stay classy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:47 PM


Obviously, Anonymous was me.

Posted by: Redskins Suck | August 13, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Anon;

Flags, your basing that on flags? Anyway, most of MD fans jumped to the gay birds when they won the SB... we didnt want them as fans anyway.

Posted by: Zebra | August 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I would have said the same thing. We could survive a Barber3 injury because Felix and Tashard look pretty good. Tony or TO goes down, we're sunk. Brad Johnson is a milquetoast, and like you guys, our TE is essentially our #2 receiver. Not good. I think the Giants might be tough to beat again this year.

Unless Lisa says otherwise. Lisa, please say otherwise.

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redskins Suck | August 13, 2008 5:48 PM

Can't speak about the fairweather fans in MD, but imagine all teams have their share. Being a minority (skins fan in girls country) I laugh at the lack of dedication of most of these fans.

And let's not talk about that one win!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

... One key injury and your team could be done. ...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:47 PM

This goes for every team, but for the Skins, the roster depth so far feels slightly deeper (or at least more enthusiastic) than previous seasons. Holding my breath anyway. Also, I'm tweaked that both Marcus and Portis are entering this season healthy ... seems like players who play injured are vulnerable to getting more injured ... maybe a mental thing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, don't you base everything on flags?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

that anon at 5:57 was me.

Also to SMACK, I think the first TWO Skins TEs are essentially #2 receivers (the first two receivers each are #1.5 until both are proven healthy).

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Long time lurker...82nd time poster. It's your blog, so I won't post under "Redskins Suck" anymore. Nate dispelled my belief about you guys--it is possible to have a civil discussion (even if I'm sure it will get contentious again). I could use one of my many other handles I posted under, but I think I go w/a new one: iCowboyFan (in honor of TO's latest business venture).

Yeah, I dig that.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 13, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow - never heard Redskins fans being called fairweather. Obviously there are fans of every team that are fairweather. That is just the nature of some people.

The Redskins have a large core of extremely dedicated fans. These fans are all over the country, actually world. RI is a testament to this fact.

Dallas fans, on the other hand, seem to come out of the woodwork whenever the team is doing well.

Posted by: CBT | August 13, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I think the Giants might be tough to beat again this year.

Unless Lisa says otherwise. Lisa, please say otherwise.

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 5:54 PM

If she doesn't say it, I will. "Otherwise".

I still think the Giants are beatable in the Meadowlands, mostly b/c their home crowd can be controlled by an aggressively successful visiting team ... hypnotizing them into booing the Giants.

The only ways the Giants could be a better team this year than last year (i.e., the regular season Giants, not the fluky helmet catching beaters of the cheaters) are speculative: (1) Eli's confidence improved based on the big game plus the absence of Shockey and/or (2) a healthy Kiawanuka being able to effectively replace the missing Strahan. Otherwise, they lost more than they gained in their (shorter) offseason.

Posted by: dcsween | August 13, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Long time lurker...82nd time poster.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 13, 2008 6:02 PM

We may have lost one of our Anons.

Welcome.

Posted by: CBT | August 13, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Dallas fans, on the other hand, seem to come out of the woodwork whenever the team is doing well.

Posted by: CBT | August 13, 2008 6:03 PM

Of course. That's why Dallas is known as "America's Woodwork Team"

Ohhh! You make a funny!!! Because everyone knows that Dallas is America's Team! Ohh hoo hoo!!!! [You'd have to watch Family Guy to get that joke.]

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 13, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

To be continued, don't forget about Hard Knocks tonight everybody!

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Not to try and do the "love in" but it seems absurd to have the fan-bases of the two biggest revenue teams arguing about who is more "fair weather", news flash the fair weather fans are in the NFC west.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 13, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow! That's was 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Who cares about the Cowboys? I'd rather read updates on the new coat of paint drying at Redskins Park rather than this dribble. Please, no more
!

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 13, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Not to try and do the "love in" but it seems absurd to have the fan-bases of the two biggest revenue teams arguing about who is more "fair weather", news flash the fair weather fans are in the NFC west.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 13, 2008 6:13 PM

------------------
True that.

Posted by: iCowboyFan | August 13, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

groovy baby.

Posted by: Austin Powers | August 13, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow! That's was 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Who cares about the Cowboys? I'd rather read updates on the new coat of paint drying at Redskins Park rather than this dribble. Please, no more!


Posted by: rich20ssu | August 13, 2008 6:16 PM

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Keep your friends close.

Keep your enemies closer...

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see that Hungarian Weightlifter?


Ouch!!!

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

No TV kost.

Fill me in.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

the best way to defeat someone mentally is to act is if they don't even exist. No playoff wins in how many years? 12? They don't exist.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 13, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Many ways to skin a Pony Tomo, rich.

We play that team twice a year, at least--- so they exist.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

i just threw up in my mouth.

Posted by: rich20ssu | August 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Ouch dosen't quite cover that Kost!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I'm thrilled to report I'm not feeling the Giants this season :)!!! Although I do think they will win their first game (against us):(

Posted by: Lisa | August 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Holy Moly!

That's just terrible.

I do enjoy how the guys with the white boards appear out of nowhere to block the view.

Chinese censorship at it's finest.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

It's funny, I actually hyperextended my elbow at basketball last week. After seeing that, I'm feeling pretty lucky!

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

We still need slots filled on the fantasy football team?

Whatever it takes, cuz I'm in the B league, and never played fantasy before, so this would be a major letdown for me if it's not a go.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, all we were looking for was - Otherwise :{

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 13, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Kost, please tell me you suffered that injury playing basketball, and not standing there watching?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Chia, haha yeah I was playing mate, I'm like a male version of Lauren Jackson.

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to you everyones who made the RI roster. Apparently, I'm on the bubble.

Also sounds like that roster is not quite complete, as Nate mentioned; some notable exceptions.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Dislocated elbow could also be one of those beer drinking injuries you hear about.

Nate?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck is Lauren Jackson?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Famous Billy's

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
Billy Kilmer
Billy Carter (Billy Beer)
Billy Simms
Billy Ripken
Billy Joe Dupree


Did I miss any?

Posted by: sicwidit | August 13, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

That elbow dislocation was freaky... dude was in so much pain his legs were shaking

Posted by: JinxMan7997 | August 13, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Kost, come on now, bra!

I do my best to avoid those type of images on the net... but golly, just wow, that is a handsome woman.

Is that common in Australia?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Billy Idol
Billy The Kid
Billy Goat
Billy Brownless

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Sheriff Billy Bob
Billy Bob Thorton
Billie Jo McAllister
Billie Jo from Petticoat Junction

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

billibong -- sorry Kost, that shoulda been yours

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Billy Blue Balls Joe Tolliver?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Billy Martin

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

billy williams
billie holiday

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

That Lauren Jackson woman has a man face, kost.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

billy joel
billy club

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm lost on this whole you are the male version of Lauren Jackson, kost.

Does this mean you look like a lady in the face?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Billy Blanks

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Time for Chia to hit the optometrist

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Billy Vanilli.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Chia, we have our fair share!

I thought you would've known her. She plays for Seattle, and has a pretty big rivalry with Lisa Leslie, in a game a few years ago Jackson 'accidentally' pulled out Leslie's hair extensions. They've pretty much hated each other since.

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke, the photos of Ms. Jackson look wonderful, but in the you tube video, she is betrayed by her horse face; strong features, but too manly, for my taste.

No doubt she has man hands and man feet as well.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

No offense, kost!

Both those links was cool.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I was talking more of an on court comparison, although when I'm in my bikini I reckon I have her covered.

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

whoever thought a chia pet would get into a discussion about taste?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget

Kill Bill

One of my favorite Bills.

Posted by: donj1963 | August 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I agree, those pics are very flattering, and I wouldn't have had her in my top 10 Olympians.

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Kost plays basketball in a bikini?

This, I gotta see.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walton

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Chia -- try to focus -- this is famous Billy s, not Bill s

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 13, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I forgot we were on Billy, not Bill.

My bad.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

donj1963 threw me off with the Kill Bill reference.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

That guy from the movie Predator named Billy.

Posted by: kost52 | August 13, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Billy Crystal

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow - never heard Redskins fans being called fairweather. Obviously there are fans of every team that are fairweather. That is just the nature of some people.

Posted by: CBT | August 13, 2008 6:03 PM

Yes, I'm a Cowboys fan (and yes, all my life, despite being born and bred in DC). I have many friends who are die hard Skins fans and they'll all tell you I'm fair in my assessments either way and will call a spade a spade no matter which side it is directed towards. But I have to say that these same friends, die hard season ticketholders, will all tell you they agree with the statement that a large, large number of Skins fans are extremely fairweather. And I will agree that every team has some, but the Skins seem to have more than most.

I do think the Cowboys have more fairweather fans, but I attribute a lot of that to people who just like the Cowboys because its a fad or cool thing to do when they are winning (and because there are a lot of so called fans all over the place). But I've often wondered why there are so many fairweather Skins fans considering the folks I know are all die hard do or die and would never be fairweather.

Posted by: StikSav | August 13, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Loving the Redskins Unrestricted's - great topics and analysis, & artistic use of pictures that allows my mind to wander just a bit. It's easy enough to get Skins news, but I appreciate the added layer of analysis and it's in the right amount of bite-sized chunks that you can't OD on it...like you can on the NFL Network...which I've done before...trust me it isn't a pretty sight. When I'm at work I can't always watch them when they come out, hence the late post, but keep it up!

Posted by: Josh | August 13, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I used to live in Ventura a few years ago and drove through Oxnard everyday. Beautiful is not a term I would use for Oxnard at least downtown. The training camp is really on the outskirts and closer to Ventura anyway and a good place in my mind for camp. When I checked out Cowboys camp when I lived there, it was like walking through the gates of hell. I also used to live in Frostburg when the Skins had camp there. All I can say is thank God I'm a Redskins fan. Momma, don't let your babies grow up to Cowboys darnit!!

Posted by: JD (San Diego) | August 13, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

StikSav;

Considering we haven't won a Super Bowl in almost 20 years and have had to endure the travails of one Dan Snyder; it's amazing that there is even ONE Redskin fan left, much less the 90,000 that fill up Fed Ex, enduring the insufferable price gouging at the stadium and calamitous traffic to and fro.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Also, what's wrong with you?

You grew up in DC and are a Cowboys fan?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

In case this has not been reported, the sex of Lorenzo Alexander's (aka Scarface) has been determined. He had a baby girl (or rather his wife did) - her name is Zoey.

Posted by: Lisa | August 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

good point.

Posted by: Mr. Cocklikefirehose | August 13, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The only reason why there are so many Dallas fans in D.C. is because they tell the story of how the Dallas Cowboys was one of the first franchises to have black players and George Preston Marshall was the last owner to have black player. This is the stupidest shti i've ever heard. Yeah...Massa Marshall was tough on race relations, but don't pass off the Cowboys franchise as the rainbow coalition.

For me, I don't give a damn about the 1950's. All I know is that Dallas ain't won shti in the playoffs. Tony Homo (not that there's anything wrong with that) and "T-Ho" will never win a SB in Dallas.

HAIL...

I hate the Dallas Cowboys with a passion.

I respect Tom Landry, but I hated that fuggin hat!!!

I hate Staubach, Butch Johnson, Billy Joe Dupree, Ed "Too Tall" Jones...I really hate Danny White, Gary Hogeboom, Michael "Crack" Irvin, Charlie Waters, Bill Bates, Leon "Lett it Alone", Tony Hill, Robert Henderson (broke azz), Robert Newhouse, Everson Walls (as a player...he redeemed himself with Ron Springs), Crazy Ray, Don Meredith ( I still don't drink tea), Jimmy "the hair" Johnson, Jerry "The Real Coach" Jones, Barry Switzer,....

I HATE ALL THINGS COWBOYS..I forgot Tony Dorsett, Emmit "Inarticulate" Smith. As far as I'm concerned, you can give Texas back to Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | August 13, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I like these guest blogs, not at all.

Posted by: | August 13, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Chia, blame me!

Posted by: donj1963 | August 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Sommmmmmmwheeeerrrrrrrrree under the radar, way up hiiiiiiigh .....


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8442428?MSNHPHMA

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Golly, sic; that's a passionate response.

The other weird phenomenon with the Redskins Cowboys dynamic, and maybe this is just my perception, but why do so many dudes have Cowboys fans for girlfriends, or even wives? I see this an awful lot.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 13, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I feel so bad for those Falcon fans. Last year it was the Michael Vick fiasco and now it's the Russians.

Posted by: Miss South Carolina Teen USA | August 13, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to the Skins/Boys...I come correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE THE COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | August 13, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Chia...

Most people that wear Cowboys jerseys can't name 5 cowboys. They don't know the Cowboys...but it's funny how all these damn Redskins jersey's show up when they make a playoff run....All these fair weather f--s!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | August 13, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I feel so bad for those Falcon fans. Last year it was the Michael Vick fiasco and now it's the Russians.

Posted by: Miss South Carolina Teen USA | August 13, 2008 8:50 PM
_____________

Sorry, I meant the Panthers.

Posted by: Miss South Carolina Teen USA | August 13, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

where dem white women at?

Posted by: chuck | August 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Billy Sims, a great RB whose career was sadly shortened by injury.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Billy Barty, a terrific little person actor.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Billy Gibbons, one of the guys with beards in ZZ Top.

(Come on, you loved "Eliminator" too, just admit it. "She got legs, she knows how to use them...")

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Then of course you got hillbilly, and psychobilly, and hi-billy, the Big Sandy variant.

But those are lifestyles, sounds, not so much individual billies.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Billie Jean King

and

The Legend of Billie Jean (no relation)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"Billy's Bones" The Pogues

"Stack Shot Billy" The Black Keys

and

Bonny "Prince" Billy

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Bilbao.

Posted by: Miss South Carolina Teen USA | August 13, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone think to mention
Billy Graham; perhaps world wide the most famous Billy of all time, considering he was traveling the globe for 50 years.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

King Billy - Ween
Billy Don't Be a Hero - Paper Lace?

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

What about NCAA Basketball analyst
Billy Packer

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

JLC REVEALS HIS GIBBS-HATE

(70Chip) sent the following message on or about August 23, 2007:

Of course Kendall will start. We all know Joe is just covering for his guys. Don't take it so personally. He yelled at Steve Buckhants one time. It's all affectation. I would encourage you to get some Redskins employees to talk to you so you don't have to hunt down people from other teams. That way would be more "Insiderly."

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LaCanfora responds:

Gibbs treats people like they are morons, so I am calling him out on it. Don't insult that same fanbase you try to stroke all the time after you go 5-11.
trust me, i have no lack of people talking to me on this team, way more than gibbs can stomach. he can't stand the fact that i get the straight dope and don't write his dopish version of the truth in many instances (their crappy left side of the line a perfect case in point).
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.

Posted by: Deepthroat | August 13, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Have we mentioned Billy Ray Cyrus?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

former PGA golfer Billy Casper
and I thought of him only because I first thought of current PGA golfer
Billy Mayfair

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

And of course one of my favorite movies probably having watched parts of it at least ten times in my life is Brian's Song.

Has great actual NFL film footage of the Chicago Bears games.
The movie starred James Caan as FB Brian Piccolo and HB Gayle Sayers role was played by BILLY Dee Williams.

The remake of Brian's Song was pitiful.
It was politically correct, and then used fake footage of football. Horrible movie.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Ray, you remember "Something for Joey" the John Cappelletti story? Ah, they don't make em like they used to.

Now I'm seeing that Steve Guttenberg was in it, as was Kathleen Beller, who I thought was incredibly hot in her skinny-dippin' scene in "The Betsy" (screenplay by William "Billy" Bast.)

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

oh yes, I do remember.
Truth is always the better story.
Hollywood so often tells a story that is inferior, not believable etc.

Touching story, especially when you know it is based on truth.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

What?

No one listed Billy Jack?????

I suggest SMACK put his old VHS tape of "The Betsy" on eBay and buy himself some Tom Laughlin flicks.

"The Trial of Billy Jack" is a good place to start.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 13, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky's mens' basketball coach is Bill or Billy Gillespie.

Florida's is Billy Donovan

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

The utterly amazing and dearly departed Billy Preston.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

My last post of the night...

Washington Redskin WR Billy McMullen

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 13, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Duh... Billy McMullen!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

LOL - great work, Ray :)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Billy Sunday, religious dude.

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Billy Pilgrim.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Billy Squier!
"Rock Me Tonite"
"The Stroke"
and etc.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Borin' Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins)

Posted by: SMACK | August 13, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

come on, nads in the PDX, you are better than this billy crap. if you are gonna come up here, come up here with your usual self. informative, percise, and jolly. this billy junk is for the birds.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Gimme a topic, Anonymous.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

1. John Corcoran writes at least as well as anyone currently covering the Black and Maroon.

2. Skippy makes me Laugh Out Loud, even when I'm not under the influenza.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | August 14, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

And until then, I give you Billy Ocean, of "Caribbean Queen" and "Get Out of My Dreams, Get Into My Car" fame.

Also, "When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Get Going," from "Jewel of the Nile."

Yeah, I hope we've wrapped up the Billys. I just couldn't bear to see it end with Corgan. Blecch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Willie, this one was so good it inspired me to write a glog myself. Or at least to want to write a glog. As if I could come up with a topic and actually execute the durn thing.

So instead I'm just glugging another brewski and trying to get over the "Billy" thing. (Wilder?)

Ah well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Nice, grown men trying to name billys because they have no life. Ok, not nice, sad...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

1. I miss Billy the Kid

2. Nate, I'd love to stay and help you Blog Yer Guts Out, but I just can't.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | August 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Nate, well, ya may have to pick yer spots, sports bar watchin' games with yer buds wise, but at least ya get to bang the brews at home on a warm and sultry summer night, huh? Tell me how much you miss the humidity back east, my man.

And go on with yerself and write a glog. It will be better than ya think. I'm willin' to be a couple hefeweizens on it.
With lemon.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | August 14, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Anyone mention Billy Beer? Had to have happened on this blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 14, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with you people?

What about Billy D Williams?

Come on.


Going on vacation, see you all in a while.

Posted by: stumped | August 14, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Billy Carter, Billy Beer and Billy Dee Williams may have faded in the public memory, but not in the collective memory of the crowd up here! All were mentioned above. But good on ya, scamp and stumpy!

Where is Anonymous with my fresh topic? I am properly beered and ready to roll.

Willie, I love you, brother, and I do love the Portland summertime. A few hot hours in the afternoon, absurdly low humidity, and cool breezy evenings and mornings. Absolutely love it. Not missing DC/VA summers one tiny bit.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I second the notion of giving Texas back to the Mexicans.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Was reading through the blog on billy's and did not see Billy Joel.

But looks like the game may be over. Any who, did not see him listed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

If we give texas back to mexico, does that mean that bush goes too?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

random aside:

Belief...

I believe.

[prays]

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Curzon, I would wholeheartedly second your Billy Joel, but Zeke already got him, up above. It's a tough freakin' game.

And ben, if we could just somehow carve out Austin -- citing West Berlin as a precedent -- I would support the re-secession or whatever of Tejas to its rightful owners, Mexico. Righting a tragic wrong. (The Alamo was a battle Texas lost you dimwits!)

F the stadium with the hole in the roof

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Missed B Joel up above. Knew I should have stopped at five beers, but how could I leave one to be lonely in the fridge?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Oxford dictionary defines love as an intense feeling of deep affection.

Never has a definition fallen so short of the mark.

Love is sooooo much more than this. I would replace the adjective "intense" with "transcendent," but even then, it doesn't do the word love much justice.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Curzon, I'm right with you, my man. I think there's one more 12-ouncer hiding in there somewhere who needs to be set free.

Chia, are you trying to tell us you're in love?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

That new stadium Jerry Jones is a building looks pretty sweet though.

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

Take a tour; it's well worth the experience.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Yes, I'm in love.

But she has a boyfriend.

[killing me]

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I would be thrilled if Danny Snyder were inspired by that new Dallas stadium (not to mention the Link and the new Meadowlands or whatever, which will collectively render FedEx the oldest stadium in the division) to build a new stadium within the boundaries of the District of Columbia.

It looks fancy as all get-out, that new stadium. Good for them. May the Redskins beat them in heartbreaking fashion every single time we play there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

We have Fed Ex; the last of the dinosaur stadiums. Only thing going for it: high capacity, just completely uninspired, as Jerry Jones might say.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Oof, Chia, that stinks. I recommend some serious self-medication. But that's what I recommend for just about everything.

"To alcohol.. the cause of and solution to all of life's problems."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I like the front of the new dallas digs; the idea of merging the outside experience with the inside; of people being able to mix around in something other than a parking lot; just very cool.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Headline: "Georgia gets humanitarian aid via U.S. military"

Now I know losing your starting left tackle for the year is a big deal but this kind of gov't assistance is...

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

What are the chances Snyder sees this lovely creation and is compelled into a game of one architectural oneupsmansship with Jerry?

and yes, inside the confines of the district, on the river.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Knowing Danny's competitive streak, I say a new stadium happens in the next what, ten years?

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Lastly, and I do hate to admit it, but I like the sound of Jerry Jones' voice; that slow southern drawl.

Dude is bonafide.

Posted by: Chia Pet | August 14, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of alcohol, had this party a few weeks ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4QgxMqQzYk

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Chia, what are you drinking?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Vernon here's got a job. Vernon's got prospects. He's bona fide. What are you?

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

1. John Corcoran writes at least as well as anyone currently covering the Black and Maroon.

2. Skippy makes me Laugh Out Loud, even when I'm not under the influenza.
Posted by: Redskin Willie | August 14, 2008 12:10 AM

Be funny if it's the same person.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

I agree on the new stadium, both Dallas' being pretty cool and the need for one for us in DC.

However, before that DS could hire a company to check out how to retro-fit FEDEX with the same thing Seattle has, those two truss' that reverb the sound back down to the field.

Come on J-La, plant a bee in that DS bonnet...

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs, the notion that Jasno could plant any kind of positive bee in Owner, The's bonnet is, ah, far-fetched.

I would guess Daniel has considered lots of stadium build vs. renovate options, but I honestly wonder how much he weighs the fan's "game day experience" and home field advantage (noise) versus, ah, revenue expansion.

The Redskins' stadium needs to be in the District, needs to be next to a Metro station, needs to be loud as hell, and ideally would have a large area where the stands bounce when fans are of a mind to make them do so.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Agreed on the stadium, needs to be in DC and metro station is a must.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 14, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

You are at it early today Nate. I agree 100% with you. Bring it back to DC. It was great watching RFK rock.

Posted by: jm220 | August 14, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I'm less cynical than you are about Snyder and the stadium. He's a man who loves the Redskins and their traditions deeply. He also wants to be seen as someone who's contributed to and strengthened those traditions.

He didn't build that stadium in Ral-John, the middle of nowhere. He wasn't the fanny-pinching old egotistical dissolute who couldn't get along with the mayor of Washington. He didn't name the stadium after himself.

He bought that stinking hole that the Cooke family created, and he was stuck with it. I, personally, think he'd love to bring the team back to DC and to improve the game day experience.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

With all the talk about snatching players off of the practice squads, I had a question. Does a team get any compensation (draft or otherwise) for losing a player from the practice squad to another team?

Posted by: Nico | August 14, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

What the heck are you doing blogging at this time of day Nate? You were on the late shift too, n'est pas?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Does a team get any compensation (draft or otherwise) for losing a player from the practice squad to another team?

Posted by: Nico | August 14, 2008 7:44 AM

None. Practice squads are there for the benefit of the entire league.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Good question Nico, never thought about it... I think the PS acts just like the Waiver wire, essentially these players are not on your team per se, so there is no compensation.

I didnt hear of any for Mix.... maybe Cyn can give us some guidance.

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Just another shtity day in paradise Mull? I envy you the duration of your vacation!!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

What the heck are you doing blogging at this time of day Nate? You were on the late shift too, n'est pas?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 7:46 AM

Nate's been an early bird on the blog a lot lately. I think they're getting close to the performance reviews at his workplace and he wants to be one of those sending out the 4 am e/m's. "Dear Boss, I've been thinking a lot about the Carson account and...."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Just another shtity day in paradise Mull?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 7:48 AM

Back to the District on Monday. Every year it gets tougher to go back.

Paradise? Ha. Yesterday was heavily overcast and the air temperature was only 75, so boating was a bit off. And there was no breeze and too many sand gnats on the island. Today looks better.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Training Camp: August 13
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Aug 13, 2008

Smoot talking smack? Carlos Rogers will play on Saturday? How is Fred Davis looking? Devin Clark? It's all right here and more.

...The players will spend their last night in the NCC tonight; camp breaks after Thursday afternoon’s practice.

...In the 11-on-11 drill, Casey Rabach did a nice job controlling Kedric Golston on the first run, driving him out of the hole on a run to the left.

...Pete Kendall got to the second level on one run, but whiffed on his attempt to block linebacker Marcus Washington who then made the tackle. Have I said enough how Washington looks like his old self?

...Lorenzo Alexander grabbed his knee as he lay on the ground after one play; he limped off and should be OK.

...Carlos Rogers MIGHT play Saturday, but most likely they’ll have him warm up and then sit out and wait until the Carolina game.

...The offense struggled to get a play off on one occasion, forcing them to call time. To which Smoot barked out, "You’re burning daylight! We got a practice going here!" It was 9:35 a.m.

...On the next play, Smoot picked off Colt Brennan. Yes, chatter followed.

..When the first offense went against the first defense in a two-minute drill, the first two plays went like this: Taylor sack; Cornelius Griffin bat down of a pass.

...Tackle Devin Clark drove Chris Wilson back several yards on one run. Clark has done a decent job in camp.

...Fred Davis dropped another pass. Seems to happen all the time. This time, Brennan hit him with a good toss, but Davis turned his eyes upfield too soon.

...Anthony Montgomery still plays too high for my liking. I like Monty, but he needs to be more consistent with staying lower.

...James Thrash made a nice grab of a Brennan toss in the back of the end zone, surrounded by safeties. Jim Zorn has already said numerous times that Thrash will have a good role in the passing game this year. Every other coach who’s had him has said the same thing. We’ll see. But it’s hard not to notice him; the man has one speed. Plus he’s a wideout who will block linebackers and defensive ends. He did so against London Fletcher the other day.

...Brennan and Devin Thomas hooked up for a slant pass today. Thomas made a nice grab on the play.

"Great catch! Great throw! Zorn said. He then said to Thomas as he walked past, "That was a big-time play."

...Some players do talk about the Olympics. Today, Marcus Washington, Andre Carter, Babatunde Oshinowo and coach Steve Jackson chatted about different events. Carter and Washington then got up and mimicked a curling event.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/779135.html

Posted by: Keim to da Post | August 14, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Mull It and Zebra,

Thanks for the replies. With that in mind, then I would expect to hide draft picks (that aren't on 53 man roster)on IR and leaving the rawest talent with possibilities on the practice squad. Again as it's been said before, this is a good problem to have where we're debating who we think has a liklihood of being snatched off a practice squad. With the exception of LB and CB I think this team is loaded with enough talent and depth to compete.

Posted by: Nico | August 14, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought they stopped the IR hiding thing as Gibbs used to do it all the time back in the day and now he couldnt...

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Paradise? Ha. Yesterday was heavily overcast and the air temperature was only 75, so boating was a bit off. And there was no breeze and too many sand gnats on the island.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 7:53 AM

This post should be read to the accompaniment of the world's smallest violin...

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Where you at Mull?

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I believe he vacations on the Mull of Kintyre Z.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe the Isle of Mull

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Sigh....Billy Buckner....or have we moved on from the Billy's??

Posted by: Greg | August 14, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

Don't believe Redcoat. He's envious.

I'm in Accomac, on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, about 35 miles south of Chincoteague. We are close to Folly Creek, which leads to Cedar and Metompkin Islands -- uninhabited barrier islands.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Nice... sand gnats are a bI@tch

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

gnat evaluator?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Gnat in the PDX--

All the gnats are bad, except for you, of course. I wouldn't invite any of them to training camp. Except for you, of course.

Posted by: Gnat evaluator | August 14, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson is going to legally change his last name to???????


Ocho cinco.... why??????

So the nfl is forced to put OCHO CINCO on his jersey

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Good morning...whilst we await some practice words, I thought I'd remind you that you can submit questions to the Cowboys through HBO...
www.hbo.com/hardknocks (ask a cowboy...)

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Zeeb, Don't they just put his last name? CINCO? Or if there are two CINCOs on the team, O CINCO. Why doesn't he just change his name to Ocho Cinco Hof so they put HOF on his jersey? Anyway, about 15 or 20% of the American population already reads his jersey as Ocho Cinco.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Dear Jerry Jones;

How much do you pay the team Parole Officer?

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

yeah MULL;

His last name will be OCHO CINCO, keeping Chad as the first... hence

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea there were Redskins bars in Atlanta. Where are they?

Posted by: GA_Skinz_Fan | August 13, 2008 4:31 PM

Cheyene's Grill in the Peachtree Battle shopping center off of Peachtree Rd. a couple blocks away from Piedmont Hospital.

And the Bucket Shop right across the street from Lenox Mall off of Lenox Rd.
Google the names and you should get the address. Hope to see you at one of em' it's a lot of fun about 15-20 people show up at both bars.

Posted by: AA | August 13, 2008 6:19 PM

Posted by: John J. Bombay | August 14, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

For a moment there, I feared talk of gnats would bring out nads guy. He must be sleeping.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

For a moment there, I feared talk of gnats would bring out nads guy. He must be sleeping.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 8:59 AM

He hasn't descended yet today. Or he's having a shrinkage issue.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Or he's having a shrinkage issue.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 9:01 AM

Could be those cold temperatures you were complaining about Mull.

"Mull of Kintyre,
Oh mist rolling in from the sea..."

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I know I am late to the Billy game, but I did not see Billy Crudup.

The only reason I mention him is that he dated Mary-Louise Parker, whom I find infinitely hot. Even if "Weeds" wasn't a great show, I would watch it just to see her.

Posted by: CBT | August 14, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

From CBS Sportsline ---

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The New England Patriots signed veteran cornerback Ade Jimoh on Wednesday to bolster a position that has been depleted by injuries and free-agent losses.
Jimoh played four seasons with the Washington Redskins after being signed in 2003 as a rookie free agent. He signed with the Chicago Bears in 2007, but was placed on the injured reserve list in November with a broken collarbone.
The 6-foot-1, 187-pounder has 28 career tackles and 68 special teams tackles.

Posted by: Quinn | August 14, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I think nads guy is in the shower with Prison Balls right now. Give em just a few minutes and he'll be back

Posted by: Kielbasa J. Goldenrod | August 14, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The 6-foot-1, 187-pounder has 28 career tackles and 68 special teams tackles.

Posted by: Quinn | August 14, 2008 9:10 AM

And over 700 whiffs....

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that gnats guy has suffered an involuntary retraction Mull?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The thing that bugs me most about "Ocho Cinco" is that it's not even spelled correctly. That says "eight five". It should be "ochenta cinco". But if we can have names like Moon Unit Zappa, I don't see why he can't be Ocho Cinco.

Posted by: [cc] | August 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

CBT,

Ddoes that help you at all with the Skins Bar situation in ATL ? Are you familiar with either ?

Posted by: AA | August 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Cindy, any news on E. James's first day in pads in a while??

Posted by: Greg | August 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

beep beep...they're in shorts and shells, so it's a mellow vibe today.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The New England Patriots signed veteran cornerback Ade Jimoh on Wednesday to bolster a position that has been depleted by injuries and free-agent losses.

Posted by: Quinn | August 14, 2008 9:10 AM

Man, Brett Favre is going to pick apart New England. And we better hope we've got all the safeties we need in camp already because if we have to go to the market we'll be picking the guy worse than Ade Jimoh. And, we better not put any safeties on the practice squad because NE will snatch them.

Posted by: Mull It | August 14, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

AA -

That helps. Thank you.

I am in Fretta so both bars would be a little bit of a drive. It will be worth it, though, to hang out with fellow fans instead of indifferent Falcons fans at the Mac.

Posted by: CBT | August 14, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins' stadium needs to be in the District, needs to be next to a Metro station, needs to be loud as hell, and ideally would have a large area where the stands bounce when fans are of a mind to make them do so.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 7:19 AM

Nate, I agree with what you say, but Snyder grew up and lives in Montgomery county, Maryland (i.e., affluent suburbs) so he might not share your vision. Plus, he can charge insane amounts of money for parking, but he cannot charge people for use of metro. As long as the stadium sells out year after year, he will have no incentive to move the stadium to the district, close to metro.

Posted by: M | August 14, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I am in Fretta so both bars would be a little bit of a drive. It will be worth it, though, to hang out with fellow fans instead of indifferent Falcons fans at the Mac.

Posted by: CBT | August 14, 2008 9:24 AM

I am not sure where Fretta is ? Gwinnett County ? Cheyyenne's Grill is what I prefer of the two. They just put up a brand new 50-somethin inch flat screen at the end of last season with a few mid-sized plasma's scattered around the other walls showing Redskins games too. They have a couple couches & club chair right up in front of the big screen too. (Gotta get there early for those spots.) On non conference AFC type games we'll get about 10-15 , but for division games it can get packed with 20-25. Last year for the Seattle play-off game we had like 30-35 strong. It should be worth the drive this season. The Bucket Shop is good too. I like the food there better. But the fans are older and a little more subdued and quite. Try both if you can, and see which one you like better. I bounce around from one to another but I prefer Cheyenne Grill better (hope I spelled that right. Hope you make it out for the games.

Posted by: AA | August 14, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

i hate the redskins

Posted by: Stuart Schweigert | August 14, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

And over 700 whiffs....

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2008 9:11 AM

And 0 picks ... and to think he was once our primary nickel DB.

Posted by: Quinn | August 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

DJO '96

GO Skins

Posted by: jb | August 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

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