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Got a great email from Alexander, which should make for an interesting guest blog. It's on the state of minor league football in the US with Europa geing shtudown this month. It's pretty quiet out there on the Redskins front - this is the one downtime of the entire NFL year - and I am enjoying the last bit of vacation time, so here's Alexander's take:

Alexander Zeese aka 35332 sent the following message:

The death of Europa, Mark Cubans Brain Child and the AAFL

If you're like me, you cannot get enough football, you watched the XFL with some interest, though I knew it would be a one year deal by week 3. If you're like me you wish that Washington DC had an AFL team playing at the Verizon Center, or MCI center or whatever they call it this week. If you're like me you did get a little depressed when Europa was shut down, though less so because of the fact that the NFL would not let basic cable cary Eruopa games. If you're like me now you are hoping that some one somewhere will step up and start a spring-summer league a minor league or something, to make the NFL off season a little more bearable.

In this football down time I have spent some time looking around trying to find out what is on the horizon when it comes to bringing us fans more football. There are three things which are worth looking at when it comes to football in the NFL off season. First of all is the possible creation of two new leagues, the UFL and the AAFL. Second is the possibility of the NFL re-creating a minor league system back here in the U.S. I would like to go through each of these three ideas and quickly state some pros and cons.

Let me start with these upstart leagues that are being talked about. The UFL is the brain child of some billionaires out west, the most notable of which is Mark Cuban, owner of the Mavericks ( http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/05/30/competing-with-the-nfl/ ).

Currently the UFL seems in a very early planing stage, they have yet to announce where they would locate teams specifically. Though they plan on fielding 8 teams in cities with no NFL franchise. And according to Cuban, they plan on competing directly with the NFL. Though I like the idea of creating a new league, and you have to respect the entrepreneurial hutspa, my gut tells me two things about this. First is that what Cuban and co. are looking to do is eventually to merge with the NFL( thus going to a 40 team league). Second is that this league will fall apart just like the USFL did, especally if they try to grab NFL players from the draft. It seams that the UFL is coming out of the gate trying to take on the NFLeviathan. The NFL is undefeated in regards to direct opposition, the only professional leagues that survive are ones that try working with the NFL. The CFL survived because it signed a NFL friendly deal with regards to the NFL's rights to getting players from the CFL, and the AFL has survived because of the number of owners with NFL ties, like Didka, Elway and Jerry Jonee.

The second upstart league is the All American Football League, ( www.allamericanfootballleague.com / )which is being pushed by a bunch of big names from the college game. Personally I think it is a little ahead of the UFL, and has a better shot at success at starting in the spring of 2008, for starters it has a website, has held tryouts and has contracts with some of the stadiums it wants to play in.

I think their business plan is more developed. Their plan is not to compete with the NFL, to play in the spring/summer, and to work with the college system. They will play at stadiums in football schools, only allow graduates to play and make up large parts of the rosters based off those schools.

In my opinion by linking themselves to the college game, which in some ways has a more solid foundation then the NFL, they increase their likelihood of survival and success. By only allowing graduates to play, they will be helping the schools academic preformance, and helping guys for their post sports careers.

The danger I could see would be playing at schools that don't exist in a decent spring/summer media market. A school like Virginia Tech for example, could produce good players and some rivalries however, with the students gone for the summer, who will come to the game. However in a city like Orlando, where they intend to field a team, with a population closer to one million you can still put bodies in the seats. From the list of posable cities and team that I have seen floated around on blogs and in news stories my gut tells me that if they stick with their plan for five or more years it may work, but that some of the schools and towns that they will start out in will fold their teams due to the size of the market.


The third rumor is that the NFL is looking to re create NFL Europe as a league in the states. One can find a very insightful discussion of the pros and cons of such a maneuver on the following link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6987472?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5 .

``My guess is that the NFL will eventually bring back the developmental league in some form for one simple reasons. Teams are already paying millions of dollars out to players who they can't get on the field. Doesn't it make some sense to have a league where one can watch these guys play and see what they can do? The pre-season is no good when it comes to this sort of thing, giving a guy 1:00-2:00 hours of a game that does not count.

Imagine how much further along Campbell could be if he had done some playing in a developmental league his rookie year, even 5-6 games would have been more snaps and passes then he threw in practice before he became the starter. A Mike Espy could show that he could be a better WR then we thought. A Nemo or Jue, guys who aren't ready for the pro-field yet but with training maybe some day. A Lloyd who is struggling can be sent a message by being sent down to play sandlot ball. I am not saying it would work for developing every draft pick, a Reggie Bush should never start out down there, but if we were to start its season a month or two ahead of the NFL's, lets say mid July and use it to get guys some playing time I am all for it.

As for the injuries problem my response is that many of these guys on the practice squad or your 6th and 7th round draft pick get no shot at starting, a minor league would give them a better shot then sitting on the sidelines.

There are those who say the NCAA provides enough talent for the NFL. I respectfully disagree, if that was the case then we would have less than 5 truly great quarter backs in the NFL? If that were the case every team could find a WR's who can get over 1,000 yards, and there would be no need for us to go to european soccer teams to find kickers. If that were true then why do we need to keep changing the rules every season to keep the defense from getting an edge? And what's the problem with having one more pool to find that talent a place where guys who aren't making the team right now get that chance.

If the NFL does do a developmental league I hope they learned from their mistake of Europa and do it the way that other pro sports do it. Every NFL team should get one minor league team, they staff it themselves and use just their players on their roster, overlap the seasons a bit between pro and minor league and keep development teams close enough to their NFL teams so they can all train together. This will help with fan loyalty as well as the issue of making sure the players to develop in a professional way, by being exposed to the same trainers they would have in the NFL.

If your like me you always are wanting more football, you are wanting a better quality product, you are wanting more rivalries and crazed fans. If your like me you spend your summers needing a better reason than the Nats or wiz, to go to the local sports bar.

By Jason La Canfora  |  July 10, 2007; 7:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

Oh, for an ode to europa!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

"And I'll let you in on a little secret. Skins fans are well respected by longtime Boys fans, even if the reverse cannot be said to be true. Eagles fans, not so much. Speaking of which, where the Philly is Adam? Adam, come back, join the fantasy league!"

SMACK, I agree, in principle, that Skins fans do not 'respect' boys fans. I think the main reason to attribute to this is the bandwagoning since the late 80's.

Having trash talked to you by a native DC-ite who converted so they would be on the side of the 'winning' team is incredulous.

Having said that, there are peeps in the south who shun their local teams b/c of the bandwagoning the did for the skins in the 80's.

It is funny. 80's was Skins/Giants in the NFC, extending slightly into the 90's. Then it was the boys and iggles... with the Iggles extending into the early part of 2000.

I wonder what is in store for the next 3 years and if any team in the NFC will come out dominant. Last NFC East super bowl winner? The boys 1996

Posted by: Zebra | July 10, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Hear anything about McCardell lately?

Posted by: Uncle Spence | July 10, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Read a suggesion recently in the UK that the Redskins might be making a play for Tank Johnson as an upgrade to the Defensive Tackle rotation. Is there any truth in this rumour ??
Is there any history of the team taking 'bad apples' and turning them around.
Clearly his talent would be useful, but would his predisposition to dropping in the mire make the risk too great ?

Posted by: Ian | July 10, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Is there any history of the team taking 'bad apples' and turning them around."

Mike Sellers, maybe.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | July 10, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Ian;

That same rumor has been around since Tank was released. He is going to miss the first 8 games due to suspension.

Any team that takes him will most likely try to make the pay for the last 8 games, on a one year deal. I doubt he will go for the vet minimum.

Still cant see St. Joe going for a troubled character. He stood by Sean Taylor because he was already in the fold.

Posted by: Zebra | July 10, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I think Tank Johnson would qualify as a little more than a "bad apple"

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | July 10, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Cheyenne;

Tank, PacMan, Chris Henry... these guys dont get it and dont care.

Think of it this way. Someone who has grown up in a tough environment, never had much money, gets a huge rookie contract, more than they have ever seen. They still run around with their boys, still getting into trouble.

They dont really care about the next contract, they are already more rich than they have ever been. They dont want to have to answer to authority, have rules, when they could be chillin' with their peeps.

Now I am taking severe literary privledge here in assuming this is the situation for these three black athletes, not knowing anymore than what I do. So if anyone knows more about them, please inform me. But they all have been know for acting like they grew up in tough, impoverished areas, so that is my assumption... (and when you assume, you make an ASS outta U and ME!)

As the great Dave Chapelle says, "When keeping it real goes wrong".

Posted by: Zebra | July 10, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

It strikes me that its odd that nothing has happened with Vick, how has he not been suspended or anything for all the crap he does? They found suspicion of drug use, I never heard if the NFL tested him. They find Dog fighting on his property, nothing has happened, no fines nothing.

I would think there are different digrees of screwed up ness between Pac, Tank, Vick and ect.

Posted by: 35332 | July 10, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The Daryl Gardener character-rehab stint with the Skins ('02) was okay, but the Darrell Russell experiment ('03) was not so good, as I recall.

R.I.P. Darrell Russell, dead at 29. Second overall pick in the draft, great start to the career, then completely derailed by drugs. Damn.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

35332, great job on the guest blog, by the way. Thanks for giving us something to mull over during these dog days.

102 degrees in Portland today. Woof!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of character issues...

Portis made PFT's All-turd team for his stupid dog-fighting comments. Good job, CP.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | July 10, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Joe,

After last year it's just good to see any Redskin win any award.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | July 10, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see a minor league skins team playing in the summer. Sure would make the boredom between the end of the Stanley Cup/NBA finals and the start of football in August/Sept. I would imagine Richmond could hold a Washington affiliate.

Posted by: VTMatt | July 10, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha. I like that.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | July 10, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see a minor league skins team playing in the summer.

Posted by: VTMatt | July 10, 2007 11:20 AM

It's just too easy.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Portis made PFT's All-turd team for his stupid dog-fighting comments. Good job, CP."

I thought Mike Florio really stretched to put CP on that list. For insensitive comments? For which he later AT LEAST fake-apologized for?

Posted by: Skin Patrol | July 10, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

To add to 35332 post:

"POSTED 7:44 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 8:09 a.m. EDT, July 2, 2007

ELWAY TO PUSH FOR AFL TO BECOME NEW EUROPA

With NFL Europa being flushed down the thing that sits next to the bidet, an indoor football source tells us that former Broncos quarterback John Elway plans to push for the Arena Football League to become the new NFL developmental league.

To get there, the word is that Elway, co-owner and CEO of the Colorado Crush, first plans to target AFL Commissioner David Baker for removal, due to the fact that plenty of the teams are consistently losing money. Per the source, Elway and Baker don't see eye-to-eye on anything. Last year, Elway and Philadelphia Soul co-owner Ron Jaworski were instrumental in pushing through the scuttling of the league's signature "ironman" rule, which limited substitutions and required most guys to play both ways, on offense and on defense. (As a practical matter, this new rule better prepares players for a potential jump to the NFL by having them focus on only one position.)

If/when Elway can get Baker out of the way, we're told that the next step will be to renegotiate the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the owners and the players, locking them out if necessary after the expiration of the current deal in 2010. The goal will be to get the wages more in line with the pay scale provided by NFL Europa. Currently, the AFL has a rookie minimum of $1,500 per game plus housing. Stars like quarterback Tony Graziani are making $15,000 per game, plus housing.

If/when the wage scale is changed, Elway is expected to work with other AFL owners who also own NFL teams to position the AFL to become a developmental league, with a new name that would include the NFL brand (e.g., NFL Indoors or NFL Arena Football or something to that effect).

But we still think that a developmental league that plays in the spring hurts the guys who otherwise would be participating in his NFL team's offseason program. So we believe that the final step in Elway's expected power play should be to move the AFL to an August launch, taking advantage of the anticipation for "real" football by dropping some games in the run-up to the commencement of the NFL regular season. If/when the two leagues are ever linked up, the NFL should look for more ways to cross-market the indoor version of the sport, by for example dropping the AFL championship into the weekend before the Super Bowl, and possibly by playing the AFL title game in the same city where the Super Bowl will be held, using the AFL event as the official kickoff to the week before the NFL championship game.


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Posted by: 4th via PFT | July 10, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

To date, there has been no football as compelling to me as college and the NFL. If there were, and it in essence gave us good football all the year round, I think I'd OD and surely die.

Football consumes so much of my life from August to (now) February as it is that it'd be damn near impossible for me to keep up that kind of thing for an entire year.

I think we appreciate the months we have football now because of the months we don't have it. Too much of a good thing ceases to be a good thing...

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I can't really see the Portland Bootleggers of the AAFL really playing with much spunk in 102 degrees during a July game...

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Growing up - I loved watching the USFL. They apparently killed themselves off by switching from a spring schedule to the fall.
We wouldn't be having this discussion today if they continued playing in the spring AND the Cowpokes would have never have gotten Herschel Walker. Damm.

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of any success stories of people coming into the NFL through the AFL other than quarterbacks? The game just seems to different for it to be considered as a way to develop real NFL prospects.

Posted by: VTMatt | July 10, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Playing pro football during the stifling heat (and possibly humidity) of summer is a crazy notion, better suited to mad dogs and englishmen. Playing in full uniforms, pads, helmets, etc. would create a league based on survival, rather than on development. I'm not sure the NFLPA would go along with this idea.

Maybe they could play flag football instead.

Posted by: KB | July 10, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Reading the article 4th Floor posted, I am wondering if Elway and Jaws would go further than eliminating the 'iron man' rule.

The Arena League plays on a short field, and that's only the most obvious difference between its game and what the NFL plays. I don't see how the AFL could possibly position itself as a developmental league for the NFL while it plays a different sport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Football_League#The_Rules

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Nate - It can evolve from what it is.

More from PFT.......

"POSTED 8:24 a.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 9:03 a.m. EDT, July 3, 2007

ELWAY STORY CONFIRMED

We've touched base with the source of our Monday story regarding the intentions of John Elway to make a run at re-making the Arena Football League into a developmental league for the NFL, and our source stands by the information 100 percent.

We reported that Elway wants to oust AFL Commissioner David Baker, re-work the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players union (which by the way is tied closely to the NFLPA), and then position the AFL to fill the void created by the dissolution of NFL Europa.

A big part of the motivation is financial. Elway's team, the Colorado Crush, isn't doing as well on paper as it could be or should be. And Elways wants that to change.

"Elway isn't going to lose his ass again without doing things his way," said the source, "which includes getting rid of Baker, locking out the union, etc. He's tired of selling out the arena, winning football games, and losing money because the AFL business model is flawed. It's not a toy to him, it's a business venture."

The source explained that Elway's team has often carried less than the maximum number of active players and practice squad players in order to save money. Currently, the Crush have (has?) 23 players, one less than the limit.

Under AFL rules, teams are allowed to have up to 24 players on the team, with 20 dressed out on game day. The source says that, during the 2006 season, the Crush often went with only 19 active players, and had no practice squad.

One of the big financial problems is injuries, explained the source. Some teams pay up to $700,000 per year for workers' compensation premiums in the states where they are based.

Here's another point to keep in mind -- the patent on the AFL's game rules expires at some point in 2007. This means that the door will be wide open for competitive leagues to copy every aspect of the AFL game.

And, as the source notes, this creates an alternative for Elway. He could take the Crush, and several other AFL teams, and create a new indoor league with an express purpose of serving as an NFL developmental league.

Meanwhile, the AFL refuted our report on Monday, via a couple of e-mails from Executive V.P. of Communications Chris McCloskey. (Scroll down for more.)

Stay tuned to PFT for more details -- especially since you won't hear much about this behind-the-scenes rancor on ESPN, which now owns a piece of the AFL.

"

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate, I almost forgot. How was your Drive-By Truckers show? I hope they didn't disappoint after I bigged 'em up. Any highlights you care to recount?

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Truckers. HAs nyone watched the show Ice Truckers?

It seems A&E is trying to copy the 'Deadliest Catch' format....

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people who otherwise show pretty great business acument like Mark Cuban and Vince McMahon think they can take on the NFL?

The NFL is the titan juggernaut Optimus Prime gigantic meteor sasquatch of professional sports leagues. I think the only equivalent is the English Premier League as far as success.

I love football but more than that I love the Redskins. Actually I don't really like college football but the rest of you crazies do. I have no interest in watching what is bound to be third rate (behind NFL & college) league games in the fall. NONE!

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand I think I would pay attention to a spring league that was effectively a minor league for the pros. If draft picks, 3rd stringers and guys who want to be walk ons are out there I think I'd be enticed.

Keep it short. An 8 game season max with no playoffs and top two teams fight it out in a championship game. You could even devise a point system like soccer.

I think it might make a big difference at key positions like QB, WR and RB. Guys like Patrick Ramsey might have a fighting chance in the NFL with a couple of spring seasons.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"With training camps approaching, Scouts Inc. ranks the NFL teams 1-32 at nine positions. Today's position: running back.


1. San Diego Chargers
It is hard to not be ranked No. 1 when you have the reigning league MVP and best running back in the NFL on your roster. LaDainian Tomlinson was unstoppable last season. He is the most versatile running back in the NFL because he can beat you as a runner and receiver. The 2006 coaching staff did an excellent job creating mismatches with him in the passing game. With his vision, run instincts and playmaking ability, we expect him to pick up right where he left off in 2007. The other thing that makes this unit special is depth. In addition to Tomlinson, they have Michael Turner, who is the best backup in the NFL. Turner provides an excellent change of pace to Tomlinson. When both are in the lineup at the same time, they give defenses fits.

2. Kansas City Chiefs
We put the Chiefs second not because of their depth, but because of the star power they have in No. 1 RB Larry Johnson. Johnson is the No. 1 workhorse back in the NFL and set a league record last season with 416 carries. Throw in 41 receptions, and Johnson averaged nearly 29 touches per game. With veteran quarterback Trent Green gone to Miami, Johnson will be counted on for similar production in 2007. The Chiefs must avoid overworking him and get better production out of their backups. Often injured and seldom-used backup Michael Bennett has excellent speed, but he can't stay healthy. He could be a solid change-of-pace runner if he can shake the injury bug. Veteran Priest Holmes is still on the roster, but his neck injury remains a concern. Don't look for him to play anywhere in 2007.

3. Washington Redskins
If San Diego has the best one-two punch in the NFL, Washington isn't far behind. Starting RB Clinton Portis was limited to eight games last season because of a shoulder injury. That injury really opened the door for backup Ladell Betts. Betts finished the 2006 season with 1,154 yards on 245 carries. Betts, scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent after the 2006 season, re-signed with Washington. His return should make for a very good training camp battle with Portis. Depth-wise, the Redskins are excellent. They also signed former Chiefs and Jets RB Derrick Blaylock, have a scat back in Rock Cartwright. Fullback Mike Sellers is a very good special teams player, blocker and pass catcher. With young QB Jason Campbell at the controls, the Redskins will rely on this deep backfield to carry the offense.

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Posted by: 4th via ESP of N | July 10, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Thirdly (I'm trying help the #s here peeps)there is the danger of injury and such. The NFL is only now starting to get heat for the concussion issue and the fact that it treats it's retired players like poopoo.

Obviously teams won't allow marquee players to risk injury in a spring league especially if even paintballs are apparently so dangerous. So yeah the 2nd tier guys should have that choice to risk it.

But does it invite even further pharmacological abuse. I know the NFL is supposed to have the best drug testing policy but come on who is anyone kidding? 400lb linemen on average? Not thanks to mama nature. I did see there is some suggestion by a lonely few of a weight cap for the NFL. Interesting proposition.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's a fun time waster -

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0706/gallery.numbers.part1/content.1.html

#22 should be Roger Clemons

I disagree with #28 (of course)

I can mostly agree but too many damm Cowpokes. (And NO comments from SMACK!!!!)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is the titan juggernaut Optimus Prime gigantic meteor sasquatch of professional sports leagues. I think the only equivalent is the English Premier League as far as success.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 01:52 PM


Now there's a thought! Maybe the NFL should expand to say 64 teams and have multiple divisions. Maybe the $nyder would make some changes if he got relegated to the second division...

Posted by: NewMexSkin | July 10, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! Too many rash decisions from The Danny already.

Posted by: Stumped | July 10, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

sorry 'bout not holdin' up my end o' the bargain, hamsters, but i have been most bizzy fallin' in love.

havin' a few free minutes, i'm gonna post several "catch-ups".

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

1. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
2. Witness for the Prosecution (Tyrone Power, Marlene Dietrich, Charles Laughton)
3. Raging Bull
4. Weekend at Bernie's (one of the very few comedies that made me laff out loud.)
5. Brazil

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

And finally as far as putting teams in cities that don't have one. I think it might work in a spring league but here's the thing the major markets without a team are what?
LA - LA is a crap sports town. C-R-A-P They had 2 NFL teams and they left and nobody noticed or cared. If the NFL can't be successful who thinks anyone else will?

Vegas - Um does anyone go to Vegas to watch sports? Especially AT an arena?

Orlando - really a 4th team in Florida? It may be the only viable option.

San Jose - possibly. There is plenty of money and the city is desperate to make an identity for itself. On the other hand if the effin Niners move their stadium to Santa Clara never mind.

Smaller markets like Salt Lake or Portland would need some major help. Football is a huge $ investment unlike baseball so not sure a place like the PDX could make a go. Nate you'd be able to speak more to this.

Phew - think I got it all out. Thanks for your attention.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

1. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
2. Witness for the Prosecution (Tyrone Power, Marlene Dietrich, Charles Laughton)
3. Raging Bull
4. Weekend at Bernie's (one of the very few comedies that made me laff out loud.)
5. Brazil

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I can mostly agree but too many damm Cowpokes. (And NO comments from SMACK!!!!)

Posted by: | July 10, 2007 02:06 PM

My only (non-Cowboy) comments, too many baseball players, and I guess Cortez Kennedy was the only athlete ever to wear #96.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

4th, i have a story about la yerba myself, but am a bit reluctant to tell it, only because mine is so positive, but here's the gist.
i was an infantry officer candidate at Ft Benning, GA, in the summer of '66. in other words, the army was training me to be a target. 'nuf said.
after 16 weeks, we were to get our first overnite pass. our Platoon Leader shook down our cars and found two joints in my glove compartment.
someone said, "well, candidate, i guess you know this is the end of your military career." that's the only time in my life i wanted to kiss a guy.
so, i gots to believe the boo saved my life, 'cuz 'Nam just wasn't a good place to be an infantry 2nd Lt.
i'll say some special prayers for ya, 4th. thanks for sharing and for bein' the great poster you are on this forum.
i'm pullin' for ya, my brother.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

a special shout out to sfskin. love your posts, they are a light in the darkness, an oasis in the desert.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate, my main man, i am jacked for our 7/13 foray into the Barley Mill.
pull out your curls and wear your tie-dye, bro', we're headed into serious Grateful Dead territory.
now everybody knows those dudes can't sing a f'in' lick, but at least we won't be subjected to an endless feedback loop played at ear bleedin' volume.
stumped? don't be too late, y' hear?

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey thanks Redskins Willie.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Willie. I appreciate it. Are you saying you were drafted? Did you actually want them to find it?

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 Grateful Dead songs...

Eyes of the World
China Cat Sunflower
Fire on the Mountain
Scarlet Begonias
Box of Rain

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 Weezer albums:

1. Pinkerton
2. Weezer (Blue)
3. Maladroit
4. Make Believe
5. Weezer (Green)

Uh, not necessarily in that order...

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 Hats

Fez
Sombrero
Pork Pie
Fedora!
Dunce Cap

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand the Dead sorry to the fans up here. But I had a bunch of friends who became Deadheads in h.s. and it drove me BANANAS! I don't know why but dealing with rich white girls walking around in expensive floral t-shirts and long flowing skirts talking about how great "Sugar Mag" was at the show they saw made me crazy.

I'm a fairly bleeding heart liberal but I wanted to yell "Get a job you losers." to the people trying to sell me handmade hemp shti. Yes I did go to some Dead shows no one ever said I wasn't a hypocrite.

Plus I just don't really like the music, not that great.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a football blog but that's never stopped me before. So here is a baseball question well also more generally sports question.

Why is the homerun record considered the greatest? It's about to be broken and probably more than once in the next few years.

It strikes me (ugh no pun intended) that DeMaggio's 56 game hitting streak is the most impressive and hasn't been threatned really ever.

So question is what is the most venerable achievement in sports?

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, it's best taken in small doses, much like LSD. I'd imagine in SF you get a heaping helping of wavy gravy and all that merry crap. I nearly let those patchouli wearing faux deadheads at GWU ruin it for me. But I came out of it intact by never talking to them or looking at them if I could help it.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Smack - fortunately by the time I moved here I was well into adulthood and able to avoid most Dead stuff. Although the Sunday drum circle in GG Park does make me chuckle.

Patchouli should be a banned substance. Why oh why oh why do people think it smells good? Maybe compared to poo but not even really.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

755 'roid-free home runs is a pretty major accomplishment. Don't be mistaken. Barry Bonds is not breaking Hank's record, he's breaking the sport of baseball.

But yeah the 56 game hitting streak is definitely up there in the unbreakable category, along with Cal's consecutive game streak.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

4th, i wasn't drafted, i joined. long story, but essentially by joining i was guaranteed a desk job. f'd it up by signing up for OCS. you know what they say about young and dumb, right?
and i can't say that i wanted to get caught, no. most of all i wanted to make my parents proud, and even tho i was young and dumb, i never bought the govt line about the Vietnamese being a threat to US nat'l security.
today, it's a different gov't, but the same ol' worn out lies. just goes to show how much disdain they actually have for us.
oh wait... am i politicizing in a sports forum?
jm, break out the hammer, i'll smack m' damn self.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,
i never cared much for the Dead either, although i think Garcia's chops are hard to argue with. cat can play, period.

only ever owned one tie dye in my life, even tho i had enough hair to keep me in constant trouble with The Man.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Willie is Portland's secret weapon. Just when things get quiet... BAM! There he is crushing it on the blog.

Have a few more things to say. Gonna splice it into multi-posts towards the Cause.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

i couldn't agree more about the Yankee Clipper's hitting streak being probably the single sports record that will never be broken.

the media coverage of Pete Rose's 44 game streak was incredible and no doubt contributed to the streak ending 12 games shy.

in 66 years, that's as close as anyone has come. how many sports records have stood that long?

the 2nd most incredible thing about The Streak is that Joe immediately started another which lasted 16 games, giving him a hit in 72 of 73. amazing.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, the Drive-By Truckers were as awesome as you and others had led me to believe. Way better than the recorded stuff, and the crowd was fantastic.

I was under the influence of what Willie has referred to as the boo and would have spent the show in a very happy state even if they had stunk, but the Truckers were solid as a damn rock. Southern rock isn't really my cup of tea, more a guilty pleasure, but damn it was a good show.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Smack, my man.

thanks for the reminder of Ripken's iron man streak.

i happened to be in Williamsburg on that September night. we had just walked into a nice cool tavern, and about the time the lager was placed on the table, Cal did his victory lap.

i get goose bumps thinkin' about it cuz the lady i was with at the time had a major thing for Ripken, so she was in the mood for days after.

ain't life grand?

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I should also give a shout-out to Mrs. Nate for letting me catch three shows last week. Three!

As great as the Drive-By Truckers were, the best of the lot was a phenomenal act of out Denver's 'Americana Gothic' scene called Slim Cessna's Auto Club. Slim and the boys ripped the roof off Dante's with their, uh, Pentecostal punk tent revival? They must be seen to be believed. Utterly great.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you are entirely too kind.

i'm just one more coked-up hamster tryin' to survive the dog days until trainin' camp starts and the WaPo starts bleedin' burgundy and gold again.

just waitin' for the lil' lady to get home so we can head to the coast where the temps are livable, as opposed to this nearly triple digit shti we're currently suffering thru.

i just threw another log on the AC and am bloggin' my guts out, doin' my damnedest to take one for the team.

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

i get goose bumps thinkin' about it cuz the lady i was with at the time had a major thing for Ripken, so she was in the mood for days after.

ain't life grand?

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 10, 2007 03:18 PM

Me too! She wasn't named Beth, was she? HA!

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

i was at cvs the other day and saw a magazine cover (i think it was either men's health or men's something fitness) it said "have sex every night with a different woman" it was displayed on the cover just like they would "rock hard abs in 60 days" or "jm220 abs in 30 days"...

anyone read that "article"? what was it about?

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

SFSkin, asked this morning what cities would you put a team in. The question is more complex. You need to ask what cities have a stadium that could be big enough to hold a team and turn a profit. By my math you need to have close to 33,000 fans per game to cover most of the costs for owning a team.

Posted by: 35332 | July 10, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No HAmmer needed since you used it in the proper context...

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe D's hitting streak
Ripkens game streak
Pete Rose career hits

None of these 3 will ever be touched.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

I didn't read that article but those things usually say the same thing. Be nice, compliment them, be assertive, pesistent, witty, blah, blah, etc. But the whole thing that it comes down to is how comfortable you are in your own skin and to take rejection like it was nothing and go on to the next one in ten seconds or less because it really doesn't matter what you say, ya just find the lines that work for you. It's a tough "act" to do. Really tough. (Oh yeah, it helps to throw money around like you don't care.)

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

33k fans per game?!? 35332, that's crazy talk, brother!

Arena League 2007 attendance stats... 12k per game? And this is a 'good year':
http://www.arenafan.com/statistics/?page=attendance

Canadian Football averages 30k per game, and that league is about 50 years old and has no local competition from the NFL or NCAA ball.

Sorry, not trying to be a d!ck, just sayin'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, dealer:

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=sex.relationships&category=couples&conitem=eefc7a842e7f2110VgnVCM10000013281eac____

Ha ha, though charlie's guess was a correct read on this sort of magazine, it's actually about role playing. Get it, a 'different woman every night.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

5714 K'S by ryan

Posted by: hills in dc | July 10, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

not to mention 7 no hitters

Posted by: hills in dc | July 10, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay I need some XY splainin here. Is a different woman every night really what you want or is it one of those fantasies that's nice to fantasize but not a reality you want. Never understood why sl*ttiness in men is okay much less laudable. Biological imperative?

Of course this headline article is in direct contradiction to Cosmo's exhortations on 10 ways to keep him happy in bed.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Agree that all those other records are unlikely to be broken particularly Ripken's because who has that kind of dedication anymore?

However, besides Ironman Cal, the others at least have a chance in that you can always build towards them season after season.

Joey D's is so hard because one miss and you start back at zero.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

I was (and really still am at heart) a milquetoast, wimpy, shy kid around women since pre-puberty. I would have been happy with one gal for the rest of my life had I found one - and still wouldn't mind so - but yes, there really is something appealing about having a new one each week - not that it's something I drive for. It's the testosterone, baby.

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Willie, Witness for the Prosecution is a great movie. Although I must say I did see that ending coming.

Posted by: LH | July 10, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Please explain on the a females mag on 10 ways......

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

4th - they have a variation on it in every issue - nothing new, nothing titallating, nothing particularly X rated. It's all rather degrading and ridiculous actually.

*sigh*

Speaking of which has Sallie Mae been around or is she wisely on break?

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Charlie. Its how us guys are wired. Its nothing against any female in general. Its just that there are a lot of beutiful females all around. You got skinny ones, phat ones, light skinned, dark skinned, blondes, brunettes, etc.

I am never attracted to the 'same kind' of lady twice. Its always what makes them a little different.

On a unrelated/related note - (Not our) P Diddy broke up officially with long time beauty Kim Porter.

The had a cover story on Essence Mag a few months ago according to the article.

On why he left her for J. Lo. - She says its hard for men to pass up a big butt and a smile. While speaking of marriage, Diddy also asked, "Did God intend for Man to be with just one woman?"

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Re: Men's Health article

Hans Solo and Princess Leia! Ha, ha, ha! Ho, ho, ho!

Read the article, ladies.

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I guess everyone must be reading the article, huh?

Posted by: 4th | July 10, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The 56 hitting streak record is not 56 at bats its 56 games with a hit correct?

Posted by: 35332 | July 10, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think it's 56 straight games.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, 35332:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats3.shtml

"DiMaggio had ninety-one hits in two-hundred twenty-three at bats during the stretch, hitting .409."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article, any article that has "ball gag" in it has some potential I guess. : )

Why does it have to be a "rich man" with the French maid? Don't answer that.

Okay I have a question - Didn't Luke and Leia totally make out in Empire? Or am I remembering some incorrectly and should seek help?

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

On a totally unrelated note - I'm finally trying to transfer CDs into iTunes library and forgot what a kicka$$ song "Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd is.

I'm having high school flashbacks - didn't everyone go through Pink Floyd phase?

Nevertheless great song.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Another question.....since you guys prefer to be with a different woman every week, how would you feel if your "preferred" woman was with a different man every week?

Posted by: Lisa | July 10, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"But I was normal. Nearly everyone has fantasies, and most of us are reluctant to explore them, says Brian Zamboni, Ph.D., a clinical psychologist and sex therapist at the University of Minnesota medical school."

Yeah, my guess is that Dr. Zamboni is good at smoothing out the ice between couples!

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

That's a different question than was brought up. Bedding someone new frequently vs. having your partner go out with new people. Though yes, there is a double standard for men.

Posted by: charlie | July 10, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

didn't everyone go through Pink Floyd phase?

Nevertheless great song.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 05:51 P

Went through that phase briefly when The Wall came out. Not a huge fan otherwise, but am in total agreement with you on "Wish you were here". It's the only PF song on my ipod.

Posted by: skinswest | July 10, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I was the Floyd fan, big time. And my two best friends growing up were Zep and Rush fans. We'd drive down to Biscayne Bay, get stoneder than the bejeezus, and have epic battles of the bands. Then the cops would bust us and we'd get sent home. They never arrested us because we were all underage.

Fortunately I've outgrown all that. Now I can sit at home, smoke, listen to Floyd, and IM my buddy that Rush still blows.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Rush sux

Posted by: Stumped | July 10, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Wish You Were Here is a really good song. Too bad it's lumped in with every other song I heard 10,000 times my first year of college, along with Marley 'Legend' and 'Ten from Six.' And the flingin' flangin' Steve Miller Barf.

There are some good Pink Floyd tunes, but hearing them once every three or ten years is about enough.

Count
Floyd, though, damn. I could listen to his stuff over and over.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Lisa, sfskin, what's the fun in not having a double standard? We're guys! It's all make believe anyway.

A good bit of that article read like a letter to Penthouse.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Rush has only sucked since around 1980. Before that, I must admit they gave us some iconic rock riffs. But they are no Floyd or Zep.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate I was trying to check out some of that Slim Cessna stuff, but I was at work and at low volumes I don't think the tubes of the internets could handle it.

Is there a live album or DVD worth looking into? Two of my favorite guys ever were Screaming Lord Sutch and Root Boy Slim, so I think I would like this guy.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Rush - ttthhhpptt

But I do love your story Smack. Imagine if those epic battles had been taped. Nothing liked stoned teenagers trying to eloquently explain how much and deeply Zeppelin just gets their life.

Ah good times.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

A Floyd story - one of the most horrifying moments of my life - at freshman orientation for college we had an evening where "cooler older guys with guitars" (blech) "played" for us (blech). Anyway at one point they invited freshmen to come up and demonstrate their musical chops.

So two girls (one who later became a friend) got up and did an acapella version of Comfortably Numb . . . the horror the horror the horror. One girl sang and the other would do the echo - oh my gawd I want to cry right now remembering.
It was one of those moments where you just want to crawl out of your skin and be a different species.

The story is still told to this day.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm in my Bruce Springsteen section now - Thunder Road one of the top 10 songs of all time.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, Jesus Let Me Down is the Slim Cessna live album, released last year. It does capture a good bit of the incredible energy of the show I saw last week.

Drop 99c on itunes for the live cut of "He, Roger Williams" if you just want to check them out before committing to the whole record. It's one of those epic theatrical songs, weighing in at a whopping 9.5 minutes, but there's a fantastic song in there.

We have found Providence and we will sing 'til the floods come to watch us all away.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Were we making top-five lists up above? Was there a theme or topic?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Dig the crazy weather in Portland... it's 101 degrees F, but it feels like 97. That's right, folks, we have a negative heat index. 15% humidity and a light breeze.

Eat your hearts out, eastern seaboard.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Boss gets an A for effort, but most of his songs are only okay. He's a ham 'n' egger. The extent to which he is overplayed is not his fault, I do realize. And that said I do love 10th Avenue Freezeout, and I would also not permanently delete Born to Run. A lot of other stuff hits my Do Not Air List.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, bears noting that the Auto Club effectively has two front men, Slim Cessna and the mysterious Munly Munly.

You can hear them doing a call and response thing about 7 minutes in to 'He, Roger Williams.'

They also do little synchronized dance moves, which is far more amazing than I could describe up here.

I sure do hope you give them a try.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Nate, my top 5 hat list was just commentary on the desperation of our times. Though I did get Fedora in there which I hoped conjured up images of Tom Landry's silhouette in the innocent minds of Skins fans worldwide.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 GNR songs over 7 minutes long:

1. Estranged (9:20)
2. Coma (10:16)
3. Locomotive (8:42)
4. November Rain (8:59)
5. Civil War (7:36)

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate, will check it out. I'm never opposed to little synchronized dance moves. That stuff always cracks me up.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 islands in the Northeast:

1. Martha's Vineyard
2. No Man's Land
3. Cuttyhunk
4. Naushon Island
5. Nantucket

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Honorable Mention: Rhode Island

Posted by: MV Dame | July 10, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious. Do they have any under 7 minutes? Doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Smack - on the Boss - I'll chalk it up to you being a Cowpaddy fan. : )

If you ever have a chance see him live it is one of the best shows you will ever see.

Cold November Rain - awesome! especially the video.

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm
Top Five Breakfast dishes (my favorite meal)

1. Bacon
2. Eggs Benedict
3. Cream Chipped Beef
4. Belgium Waffle with strawberries and cream
5. Sausages of all kinds including scrapple (go ahead I've lobbed another double entrendre softball)

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

hello?

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

shti! loosable type lost 2 posts of mine!

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

dos

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 animal cartoon characters

Pink Panther
Foghorn Leghorn
Donkey (Shrek)
The Brain (Pinkie and...)
Wile E. Coyote

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, Bacon makes everything better - even monogamy (if I may harken back to a prior discussion).

Posted by: LH | July 10, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Waffles are nice, but I'm a pancakes man myself. Big fluffy diner pancakes with tons of butter and real maple syrup.

The funny thing is, no matter how I try, I cannot get my home-cooked pancakes to turn out 'right.' That delicious fluffy quality eludes me. *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

nate, i actually prefer homemade pancakes over restaurant "quality". fluffy enough and irregular shaped.

yummmmmmmmmmm...

best cartoon character:
1. homer
c. bart
f. lisa
9. mr. burns

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I think the magazine in the CVS was one of those 'career' magazines and the article was about working in one of those labs where they do sleep studies to diagnose apnea (or maybe about being a human subject in a long term sleep study). No other possible explanation for sleeping with that many women, not even P.Diddy can make those kind of numbers.

Nate, have to disagree re: Count Floyd (and frankly most of Joe Flaherty's characters). Dr. Tongue and his 3-D House of Pancakes, however, is a completely different level. On movies, has anyone even mentioned "Strange Brew"?

Top Five Cheeses:
1. St. Agur
2. Cabrales
3. Pirineo
4. Mozzarella
5. Whatever that powdered orange cheese in Kraft Mac'n'cheese

A few weeks ago, someone wondered about the most likely candidate to occupy the annual Gregg Williams' dog house. [Recent winners include Archuleta and Lavar.] My guess is that, unless he has at least one pick in the opening game, and early, its Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: dcsween | July 10, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

guys i wrote a response to the whole diff. woman every night thing...but the blog ate it. it was absolutely brilliant! but yes, nate that was it. good pull!

ummmmmmmmm sween c'mon man! mozarella that low?

let's see

top cheezes:

1. moza
2. goat cheese
V. moza
ii. goat cheese
D. ummmmerican (yellow)

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

watching SF on fox (midsummer classic)...wish i was there. what i wouldn't do to call that place home!

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

when i first heard that england honored salman rushdie by knighting him. the first and only thing that came to my mind was "WHY?!". the dude isn't even that good. chaucer? yes. shakespeare? yes. rushdie? hell no! c'mon! shti like this gives people excuses to do stupid shti like kill innocent people. the dude offended lots of people with his writing. just put yourself in those people's shoes.

what if i wrote a book about christ that was considered blasphamous by christians and iran honored me by giving me my own coin (6.66 cent coin) or something?

argh! at least we'd (up here in the us) have enough sense and civility to not spit on people's face like that. redcoat? :)

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

oops! i just read what i wrote...i'm not by any stretch of the imagination condoning any sort/type of violence because some idiot decided to make a quick buck using his name (not a religion...just his name. rember teh seinfeld episode where jerry's comic rival converts to judaism so he can make jew jokes...).

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Redcoat will break off his vacation to respond to that post, dealio.

Don't they give out those knighthoods like candy these days? It ain't worth what it used to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_honours_system#Ceremony

"Each year, around 2,600 people receive their awards personally from The Queen or a member of the Royal Family."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 10, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

It's better to knight them for their ideology like they do there, than elect them for their lack thereof, like we do here.

Posted by: SMACK | July 10, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

bacon? never liked bacon. don't know why. or any pig meat actually. to me bacon destroys dishes like that wendy's baked potatoe... is it an acquired taste?

cheese omalete with SALSA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

i was just messin with redcoat. yeah, i know it's not much but still...it's considered an "honor". actually i heard rod stewart got one too...soooooooo i dunno...if i was defending that decision i'd make that my exhibit A.

Posted by: dealer | July 10, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

So question is what is the most venerable achievement in sports?

Posted by: sfskin | July 10, 2007 02:53 PM

Dont forget Brett Favre's consecutive start streak....that will never be touched. I bet if he doesnt go down this season...he wont retire again....theres ur Iron Man.

And as far as the minor league thing....who wouldnt want to see Burgandy and Gold ALL YEAR LONG!?!?!?

HAIL!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 10, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Sfskin....i just realized by reading a post that ur a woman...
that explains alot to me...about ur choices in movies and music and ur overal demeanor...lol...im a retard for not realizing it sooner.....anywho....

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 10, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 RI blog geeks?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

We all are.

Posted by: Thats an oxymoron | July 10, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

great point

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

but some are really bad off

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Skinny - I'll take the post as a compliment.

dealer - Bacon is the greatest food in the universe! I'm always respectful of people's beliefs and food lifestyle choices but I feel it is a deep and profound shame that not everyone can appreciate the wonder and joy that is bacon. You wrap just about anything in bacon and I'll eat it.

Top 5 cheeses
1. Triple cream goat
2. Fresh bleu cheese
3. Brie
4. Manchego
5. Whatever that chemical shti is they put on nachos at the ballpark - holy moly do I gotta a weakness for that stuff.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Main Entry: geek
Pronunciation: 'gEk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German

1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake
2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked
3 : an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity
- geek·dom /'gEk-d&m/ noun
- geek·i·ness noun
- geeky /'gE-kE/ adjective

http://merriamwebster.com/dictionary/geek


I resemble that remark.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate which do you prefer to bite the head off of? Chicken or snake? I prefer snake . . . which of course . . . wait for it . . .tastes just like chicken!

Thank you thank you. No really a standing ovation is too much. I'll be here all season. Tip your waitress.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

well, we have 1.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate which do you prefer to bite the head off of? Chicken or snake? I prefer snake . . . which of course . . . wait for it . . .tastes just like chicken!

Thank you thank you. No really a standing ovation is too much. I'll be here all season. Tip your waitress.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

make that 2

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Actually I've generally been called a dork.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

but, i love it

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

lol....nice..any of u folks play the poker?? Aye comrades?...Aye?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

in which hole?

Posted by: seymore butts | July 11, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

and it was a compliment compared to what i thought....
that u were indeed a SanFransico Treat

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/10/bc.fbn.pacman.tickets.ap/index.html

This guy is a real piece of work. Pacman Jones gets a bunch of tickets when pulled over in his orange Lamborghini. Niiiice.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Zebra if you don't mind.

Skinny - gonna have to throw flag on the play. 10 yards and loss of down for the homophobia.
I may yet be a "San Francisco Treat" although I think I've given that one away too much already. But for all we coked up hamsters know there are a plethora of "treats" in our midst and because they're in my family and friends I gotta step in and call the foul.

Sure it wasn't intentional.

Unless you meant that I'm one of those people who have "san francisco values" and vote for Nancy Pelosi. Well that's true too. But you can disparage that all you want.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

whoa girl..calm down...i meant no offense!!

Dont worry, i make fun of gay people all the time....its no big deal.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Um, tenny, not sure where you're going with this, but veering very quickly into not cool territory. And I am something of an armchair expert on not cool.

Zee homophobia, how you say, ees no good.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:09 AM | Report abuse

But seriously...the way u got all sappy and sentimental about LOTR. You were too openly sensitive to be a normal heterosexual male. Actually, the SanFran Treat thing i came up with at the last minute, and is no stab at the Bay Area.

And btw, it never woulda got brought up at all, cuz like Dennis Miller said, "Theres nothing more important to me than my orgasm. And nothing less important to me than your orgasm"

HAIL!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

A shame we don't have a football topic, or, you know, any topic, to change the subject.

How 'bout that All-Star game, eh?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Then....how u say..my wrong...

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:12 AM | Report abuse

In all fairness, there really should be a key to the blog, explaining (among other things like acronyms, nicknames and ground rules) that MV Dame is a he and sfskin is a she.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Top Five

1. FOTR
2. Ace Ventura Pet Detective
3. Monty Python and the Meaning of Life
4. Braveheart
5. Memento

Posted by: forgive me fellow dorks | July 11, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

I say reserve our fun making for all non Skins fans.

MLB all star - you've got Pujols on the bench bases loades how do you not let him swing for the bleachers?

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

How old is everybody...just curious.my guess is all over 30

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Pujols was hurt? Wasn't LaRussa the NL manager? Isn't he one of those Geniuses?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:30 AM | Report abuse

He participated in the Home Run Derby so I don't think he could be that bad. On the other hand LaRussa is his manager so maybe he knows something we don't.

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but its the offseason...everyone is fair game...

Cmon folks...lets lighten up a little...Im guessing u guys have had a hard time with people coming in and screwing with the blog. Cuz the first time i ever posted on here Lisa jumped all over what i said saying i was just some other person trying to disguise myself!! Cripes...is it really that bad?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey look on the east coast tomorrow is my birthday.

I'm going to sign off. I'm in the midst of an excellent book that I'm off to jump back into.

See y'all tomorrow.

HAIL!

Posted by: sfskin | July 11, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

tenny, it's not you, we're just miserable and cranky because

a. there is no real Skins news
3) the Skins sucked last year
v. it's hotter than hell
* gotta wait two months to kickoff

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Happy BIRTHDAY sfskin! That is just swell news. Enjoy the book.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

tenny, I have been known to wildly overreact to perceived threats to the health and well-being of the blog, to the extent that I have been nicknamed Barney Fife. So I have tried to dial it back a bit. Up above, I was only trying to gently nudge you about the homophobic hole you were digging yourself with the 'San Francisco Treat' line.

Trying to make up for my unwelcoming behavior of yore and be a kindler, gentler deputy sheriff for this virtual Mayberry.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

And i change my no. 2 to Dumb and Dumber...it was a toss up. But now ive had time to think.

That Jon Denver's full of shti man.

I guess thats a no for the poker for u guys....what about Madden?Our teams have been kick azz for the past couple o years. Now we have Landry and Smoot back. I might make it to Vegas this year!!

HAIL!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:47 AM | Report abuse

But one of the real cool things about RI is not knowing who the posters are. People have guessed wrong about my gender twice...okay by me.

Honestly, I figured MV Dame was female. Even though there were several posts indicating a preference for females...okay by me.

sfskin, I default to the male assumption...so I got that wrong too...okay.

SMACK, a Paddies fan, and she is absolutely an essential part of RI (what you say SMACK is a guy? No Way.)

Nate,
Pacman is going down in flames, huh?

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Hooray for a combo-Dumb and Dumber and John Denver reference.

I was in Monterey the day Denver took his plane out for the last time, and drove from there to the city of Denver as the search and then the mourning took place. He was beloved in Colorado, you know, the state poet laureate.

And that movie kicked ass.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Its cool Nate. But if ur Barney Fife, I want to be Dave Chappelle. So dont get to comfy.

;)

...or campy. Thats goes for u too Sf.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Stumped, there is just something particularly appealing about Pacman Jones driving around some podunk county in a freakin' ORANGE LAMBORGHINI with plates he swapped from another car, no insurance, and some registration/license problem.

Those Fifes down there must have had quite a chuckle over that one. "Well well well, what have we here?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 1:59 AM | Report abuse

it was actually a toss up of those two and Liar Liar. Gotta have a Jim Carrey in the top five. You just gotta.

By the by...how many posts to 100k?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Too many posts to go...
But we are sneaking up on the Blog's one year anniversary.

I say the RI community should have a post-a-thon(g). Maybe we can crash the server. Synchronize your watches...

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Im so sick and tired of him. Even my inlaws, who know and care nothing about Football ( I hear Washington Foreskins alot ) talk about him whenever i come over cuz thats all the sports news Trashville has to offer!! Tragically hilarious!!


Damn....throw out Braveheart and Insert Spaceballs.

Actually,

Top Five Comedies

1. Dumb and Dumber
2. Spaceballs
3. Liar Liar
4. Napoleon Dynamite
5. Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. ( if only for that part where that black dude and the cheap burger joint talks about eating White Castle and tells them about the secret sauce....

Ill give u a hint...its semen....animal semen

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Pacman was probably taking it out for a spin before it gets repo-ed.

Repo Man (Can't remember if I've seen it)

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Ill bet u anything he comes out with a Rap album after some "hard time"

personally, i think that if they just killed Pac Man, Paris Hilton, and Britney Spears, the world would be a happier, better place.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 11, 2007 2:15 AM | Report abuse

And now...through the magic of multi-tabbed browsing.

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:17 AM | Report abuse

I will attempt to make 6 posts...

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:17 AM | Report abuse

The other 4 posts got dumped.

Oh well, the answer is 2.
The question is: How many posts can the loosable handle?

Adios.

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Nighty night, blog.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 11, 2007 2:27 AM | Report abuse

one more...Panties!

Posted by: Stumped | July 11, 2007 2:44 AM | Report abuse

skinny,

deal me in.

yeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 11, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

LAst!

Posted by: 4th | July 13, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

4th, that was cheap. Wrongwaypost ha ha!

Posted by: MV Dame | July 13, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You think I'm not paying attention, eh? How could I maintain my credibility in keeping track of the count if I weren't paying attention?

Posted by: MV Dame | July 13, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

i didn't wannu mess with 1111. so just finished watching devil wears prada... ehh. it was okay diddy!

sfskin, no, it wasn't to be a fluffer. i didn't know what that was till i googled it today. LMGO!

but have you heard about women who have to do that to dogs and give them a happy ending...YUCK!

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